wow, what a disingenuous headline. he’s 13 now, not 11.
at least tell the truth.

wow, what a disingenuous headline. he’s 13 now, not 11.
at least tell the truth.

If he’s black no story.

If he’s black no story.

this is crazy, this is a kid who has impulse control issues, and should be helped in a therapeutic way, not lockdown for the next 60 years. and how did this kid get a gun? thats the person who should be charged…. sick….

this is crazy, this is a kid who has impulse control issues, and should be helped in a therapeutic way, not lockdown for the next 60 years. and how did this kid get a gun? thats the person who should be charged…. sick….

What? What? He’s not being put to death, which every God-fearing true patriot should be demanding, so what’s the fuss about? Hell, they wouldn’t be pussy-footing around like this in Texas, no sir!

What? What? He’s not being put to death, which every God-fearing true patriot should be demanding, so what’s the fuss about? Hell, they wouldn’t be pussy-footing around like this in Texas, no sir!

He murdered a sleeping woman and her baby…why should anyone be sympathetic to that?

He murdered a sleeping woman and her baby…why should anyone be sympathetic to that?

You did read the article and found he is 13, right?

You did read the article and found he is 13, right?

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Because there is much more to this story. Normal well adjusted well parented children do not do things like this. Something was seriously wrong in that household.

This is a troubling problem, When this kids was 11 I doubt if he had the ability to realize the consequences of his actions. My oldest grandson was a product of his mothers first marriage and when his mother remarried we all tried to make him feel accepted and loved by all. But when the new baby came he was insanely jealous and if he even thought his half brothers were getting more attention [even on their own birthdays] he would always find away to get back at them, some how he would break their new toys or end up hitting them or something. Jealousy is an ugly thing and at the tender age of 11 kids do not understand it and even though they know their behavior is wrong they don’t really know how to deal with it. I’m sure this kid was really hurting inside, after all he was just a little kid. His dad was giving most of his attention to his new wife and they were going to have a baby. I’m sure he felt abandoned and replaced by a new baby. I would really like to know about his environment growing up, I feel sorry for this kid. He was just a little boy

I guess in this country this is how we define pro-life: children serving life terms.

He was 11 when this happened, and has been in jail since it happened. So even 2 years later an 11 year old at the time faced life.

No one is suggesting you be sympathetic to that.
They’re suggesting you be sympathetic to the fact that an 11 year old is not an adult.
I would have assumed you were already aware of that, but I suppose there’s always the chance that you believe 11 year old children should be allowed to vote, drive, drink, buy guns, join the army, consent to sex, etc.

Brain development. Not sympathy but an understanding of neurology.

The kid is a psychopath, he’s got issues. While I blame parents if this kid has serious mental disorders and a history of acting out. Don’t coddle him with therapy, put him down because no amount of therapy and medication will tell him to behave.

My cousin made that mistake in trying to take care of a monster as well. The little shite is in prison because he almost killed her as well. They can’t be corrected because their brains have no “moral” core, its damaged (fetal alcohol syndrome or drug use). It creates monsters that are ticking time bombs, waiting to go off. You see stories about them killing family animals then moving on to people (homeless) or at least hurting them excessively.

it’s called a “hook”…

I just love how you write “allegedly” shot. The little a-hole deliberately shot that woman and knew what he was doing, “mature brain” or not. By all your accounts, we should be letting Eric Smith out since he was only 13 when he murdered Derrick Robie and stuck a stick up his 4-year-old @ss “for nothing”.

we are too lazy to help anyone. easier just to toss away the key. we could look at places like norway or sweden who seem to do it right, but no, we won’t. privatized prisons will see to that.
we are so broken it’s beyond description.

and why shouldn’t they be?

Apparently there was another suspect who was not properly investigated – the woman’s ex had a restraining order against him and no alibi. The evidence against the boy is based only on state witnesses who calim the forensics show he recently shot a weapon and the shell was where he usually disposed of shells; and a younger child who had her testimony coaxed and rehearsed. So yes, alleged is proper here. He might have done it or not. The real question is whether he should be forced to forgo his right to self incrimination to obtain juvenile treatment. PA has quite a history in this regard – in the late 80′s 9 yr old Cameron Kocher was charged as an adult with murder for shooting another child off the back of a snow mobile. It didn’t happen far from this incident – another case of a very young child with unrestricted access to guns. The prosecutor in the case was knocked out in an election and Kocher was permitted to plead to manslaughter and never spent a day in jail; grew up and moved on with his life and by all accounts has been a model citizen. If this boy is guilty, why is he a sociopath? Jealousy, the alleged motive, is the oldest reason in the book for homicide and people who do it aren’t necessarily sociopaths and many never offend again. People make so many assumptions – jealousy also was the alleged motive in the Kocher case. BTW – the prosecutor in that case spent more time in prison than Kocher – he turned out to be a child abuser and pedophile. OOOps. Prosecutors all have pure motives, don’t they?

BTW – lat week, 12 year old Paul Ginergich was sent to WABASH State Prison in Indiana by one of the most beastly judges to occupy the bench. Even the state prison officials balked at that one and sent him to a juvenile facility. He’s lucky – he will only serve 25 years for a killing instigated by an older boy who bullied him into participating. Then there’s Blade Reed, who recently celebrated his 15th birthday in WABASH’s adult solitary confinement unit…Curtis Jones of Florida who has been in an adult facility since age 12 …and is now in his 30′s…this kid is 11 – prosecutors have a hard time getting headlines with the 12 and 13 year olds – they have no choice but to go for the younger kids. These men need to make a living and enhance their careers, don’t they? Some things are more important than children.

And truth be told – I don’t feel sorry for the victim in this case – leaving a gun in an 11 yr old’s hands ought to be a crime – better that she got it then some innocent stranger on the street.

We have lost our fucking minds and now there will be a new profit-generating entity (prisoner) available for corporate earnings in one of the many United Police State of America’s revenue generating facilities (prisons). Go back to be America, your government is in charge, go back to bed America, here, watch this: American Gladiators on 40 different channels to make you forget about what we are doing to you, go back to bed America (Bill Hicks)

Fuck Texass…. Fuck all the red states…. All the Blues should petition Canada, and those who are repig’s in Blue States should be given fair value for their homes and businesses and then provided with a one way ticket out of the Sane Southern Part of Canada.. I am no longer an american, used to be, but as the raven said, “Nevermore”.

Personally, I am to the point where I no longer care what happens to the USA. I have a home, garden and food. Fishin is good and my family and I can pretty well get by needing very little . Our medical care is second to none and almost all my medicines and care is free or below the 20 percent level as CPS pays 80% of the ordinary Dr. Bills and Medicines, the High price things such as Cancer treatments and medicines along with fees and hospitalization are covered.

So what would be so wrong about putting him in prison until his 21; get him serious therapy during that time; and making the final sentencing decision at age 21? Life without parole is giving up on a kid who is 11 years old.

99.9% of the time, ITS THE PARENTS FAULT!!!!

Believe me, I work with these kids.

This little rotund pig knew exactly what he was doing when he killed his half-brother inside his father’s girlfriend’s womb, as well as the poor pregnant woman herself. I have no compassion for him. In my world, life in prison would be merciful to this blubber brain. He’s useless and would only commit more murders if he were let out into the world. Stop feeling sorry for him. He’s genetically inferior. We need protection from these types. Sicko!

Did you never hear of genetics? He’s a psychopath. Stop making excuses for him.

what does it say about you, calling an eleven year old a rotund pig, very mature of you

If he is a psychopath then he is brain damaged. I say put all diabetics in jail too. If an organ in your body doesn’t work you are a threat. I mean they could have an insulin shock reaction while driving and kill pregnant women in the cars around them. We treat mental health the same way Victorian Europe did. We have all the technology of mapping the brain but no treatment advances at all. We use our prisons as mental institutions. I personally saw a man with Alzheimers be arrested for driving without a license. When he fought the police while they tried to handcuff him he ended up being placed in an orange jump suit. The inmates he was housed with were tired of he smell because he wet himself so they beat him to put him in the prison clinic. He couldn’t even remember to feed himself. He was ill. An injury or disease of the brain is an illness that needs medical attention.

If an 11 year old is considered an adult how come we don’t let him get a driver’s license or drink a beer? C’mon, I doubt third world dictatorships are this harsh.

This child is completely innocent, and the victim of incompetent and dishonest police work and the unfortunate confluence of election politics and a perversion of justice. I have been involved in this case for nearly two years, working with Jordan’s father, lawyers, and youth justice advocates. From the very beginning, the media have swallowed the prosecution’s claims hook, line, and sinker and have misreported the facts.

For the true facts of the case and for the identity of the probable killer, true murder weapon, etc., please visit my daily blog at http://wandervogeldiary.wordpress.com . There are many articles there going back a year that will get you thinking about how our country treats children who get in serious trouble with the law.

We need to start thinking as adults and do better for all our children. The future of our way of life depends on it.

Greetings,

For a short period of time I was the High School Teacher at a juvenile detention facility just outside of Phoenix, Arizona. Some of my “students” had very long sentences and could look forward to being transferred to prison when they reached “adulthood”. Working with these kids day after day gave me a bit of insight as to their “mental makeup” and I would like to share what little I learned with you.

These kids were, in reality, no different than anybody else minus one little flaw – these kids 100% lack self restraint.

Look, I would love to get something for nothing or punch a stupid teabagger right in the face or run around like the world was one big game of Grand Theft Auto but I don’t. I have “gatekeepers” that prevent those thoughts from becoming actions. Many of these kids did not have those gatekeepers. They immediately acted out whatever horrible thought jumped into their heads and they always responded with “I don’t know” when you asked them why they did something. It was probably one of the few times they were actually honest.

A person capable of committing a terrible crime without any understand as to why they did it is a very dangerous person and should remain under constant supervision (it could mean a GPS ankle bracelet, a probation officer and counseling) until they can demonstrate that they have hard wired gatekeepers in place to keep them civilized.

Sadly, I do not know of any test that can tell us when that happens. Think about this scenario for a moment: One of our boys that said the right things got himself released and within a few short weeks had murdered two random high school students with a shotgun for reasons that nobody could figure out. He didn’t know them, hadn’t said a word to them but just walked up to them, a boy and a girl, and shot them dead.

We might have been better off keeping him behind bars.

A life sentence is in violation of international law and common decency. The boy needs significant psychological counseling. This is a failure of society and society needs to address the root cause whatever it is.

A society that tortured a 12-year-old “enemy combatant” and would imprison an eleven year old for life is incurably pathological and irredeemably immoral. America is writing its own epitaph.

“Put him down?” Like a rabid dog?

You are as sick as that child and probably a lot more dangerous.

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Not the entire country just the NEOCON/Bagger controled parts

This is one sick nation!

This judge needs an extensive course in human psychological/physiological development! The brain of an 11 year cannot be held to the same standards as an adult.

You mother is your sister.

Anyone who fears God should be demanding we abolish the death penalty. I’m presuming you are of a Christian denomination, which I assume means you’re aware of the 10 commandments. It’s always interesting to me that Christians are among the fiercest advocates of murder to show that murder is wrong.

Another sick feature is the pasting of this kids picture all over the media. America can learn a thing or two from Canada.

OK Yankees. You want to criticize Iran?. think twice now

It would be really interesting to know the details.

Why is he proclaiming innocence?
Why did someone supposedly shoot this pregnant lady.
What was the relationship of the boy to the father and lady.

Nevertheless, he’s still a rotund little pig; a veritable psychopath
and you are an idiot for taking the time to implicity side with him.

Someone’s gotta make all them license plates.

There’s a major difference between taking a person and simply because that person was born female cutting off her clitoris and forcing her to marry a man she doesn’t know that’s twice her age and this 11 year old that willfully took a gun and shot a woman as she slept–shot her in her stomach where his own half sibling was growing. IF late term abortions are illegal then shooting someone and killing a live person and this unborn child should be rightfully punished. Life in prison without parole is better than the facing the death penalty. Dad is very forgiving… but then whoever owned that gun ought to be facing the same punishment because they are just as responsible for their deaths BY NOT being responsible and ensuring their weapon was secure and safe! These two precious lives would not have been lost otherwise! “With great power comes great responsibility!”

An 11 year old knows exactly what he is doing? Great, let ‘em drive and vote and drink, etc. YOU sound like a fifth-grader. I don’t think anyone wants to dump him out into general society. I am inclined to agree with ericthefool, I bet daddy or mommy (or both) was a piece of work.

And you are so illiterate you don’t even know how to correctly use
possessive pronouns.

Bill Hicks,What the fuck?…
Chip,Democrats are a strange bunch indeed. You are Liberal on social issues but when it comes to the Palestinian issue or anything related to Ayrabs & Mooslims, you turn into a Klu Klux Kan parody of yourself. Would you care to explain how you can do this shit?.

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But they control and run the country. That is guts of it – you are just like the distant observer of a road accident. You can see it happening but are powerless to do anything about it.

Funny, when I was 11 I knew not to kill anyone. I understand capacity laws and such, but to knowingly kill someone isn’t something we should consider super complex knowledge that you have to be 18 to know.

Well if you feel that strongly about his well-being, why not petition
the court to allow him time with your family where he can babysit your
children and learn how to be a responsible, loving citizen under your
tutelage. It sounds as if you are quite an authority on post-modern
parenting and have many wonderful, insightful ideas as to how society
can easily change psychopathic behavior in the criminally insane.
Please send your address and information so that I might pass along
your blog or your published works, all those professional journals
that you like to list on your CV. I have many friends who would truly
appreciate your expert advice. Have you considered working on this
young boy’s appeal? Since you are such an expert I would assume that
this boy’s defense attorney is looking for expert witnesses with your
exceptional wisdom and expertise. Your sworn statement on the underage
convict might just sway the judge to reconsider his very harsh
sentence that he is imposing.

BTW, two people are dead because of this little 11 year old cherub.
What about their rights to their lives? What about their families’
sadness and lifetime of loss and sorrow? Does that not count for
anything?

He’s still a rotund little pig no matter which way you cut the bacon.

I’m wondering, is this kid going to Juvey Hall or if tried as an adult, be sent to prison? And if to prison, will he be ward to the state or to a corporation?

He was old enough to make a decision which will give him life without parole but he lacked the capacity to enter into a contract, get married, vote, enlist in the arm forces, make a will or consent to sex or medical treatment.

He’s obviously not normal but no 11 child is treated like an adult for any other purpose.

What would they do with this kid in Iran?

This could not happen in California and most other States. The voters have to tolerate such harshness.

this is a disgrace of our judicial system. This is a child who doesn’t reason as an adult, that is why they need guidance, watching, and loving constantly. An adult basically has his ability to reason, even though it has been disputed to the age of 25 to have complete maturity by professionals in the field. I feel sorry for the people who cast their stones at a child. I am definitely writing a letter and calling Corbett’s office on this and hopefully the mass will too. This judge is a competent judge if he believes that this eleven year old is mature enough to understand logically the impact of his actions. I hope he doesn’t sleep well at night anymore. And there seems to be more to this story than the obvious, media, who we can count on telling the real facts…..lol….which they don’t. I feel so bad for these kids that are thrown away like nothing, and there is hope to see some compasionate people on here despite the arrogant judgemental ones. You can look at his picture and see he’s just a baby…..I am praying for this child…And it would be nice if we take a look at the Canadian prison system, totally does rehabiltitate, not like the system that we have which have been notoriously combative in rehabilitation. They are mostly privatized and they want the money to keep coming in and the revolving doors too. So why fix it, well its Greed.

So where do you draw the line? 10 years old? 8? 7? – would you send a 4 year old to prison?

1. What evidence is there that being a psychopath is genetic?

2. If he was 5 instead of 11 would you still give him life without parole?

If he was 5 would you be making the same statement?

It was the “video games” that did it, not the gun:

AZ lawmaker: Shootings fueled by tv, video games and abortion – not guns

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/ariz-linda-gra-shootings-fueled-tv-video-games-abortion-guns/

At his age, if I was the lawyer, I would pull the “Twinky Defense.”

Not the Saudis.

So how long have to been an Evangelical?

A good chunk of a lifetime ago I worked for a short time with children that were 5250′s and 5150′s. Sometimes the human brain in all it’s amazing complexity does not develop correctly or cannot regulate correctly what are in fact very subtle impulses. I met 8 year olds that would scheme to get a sharpened pencil to gouge out your eye given the chance; they literally had no conscience and no inhibitory loops. For the good of themselves and society they needed to remain institutionalized until a better solution might someday become available. Most depressing damn job I ever had. Found out later that the place had simply been shut down due to lasting effects of Regan’s policies…and the kids? Well they were simply scattered and lost themselves into the masses since the situation was the same everywhere. When a society only takes care of the beautiful, the rich and the powerful it is as sick and broken as those kids were…

Oh, and what kind of sick legal system tries a child as an adult if they plead innocent or won’t plead quilty?

The US executes 20 times a much as the republic of Iran .I think the world record belongs to China ( the US best friend…),they have an average of 10,000 executions every year .

I suggest you take a look at the Iranian penal code, I am not an expert on Iranian jurisprudence.

I am not proposing so much to treat him like an adult, more like an animal. There is just some scum that have to be taken out of the population. This seems like a good one. If that means trying him as an adult so be it. Don’t kill anyone that’s a pretty easy one. I can understand if there was roughhousing and there was an accident, but this was deliberate.

I could care less how you want to classify this animal. At 11 I knew a lot of things were wrong. Talking back to parents, cheating, stealing, lying, etc. Killing wasn’t even a consideration because it ranked up there as something you would never ever do. If you do not know that is wrong then I don’t care what age you are, you are taken out of the population. The safety of the innocent populace is paramount to any special consideration for this monster.

Bodies. Bodies is a good place to draw the line.

We’re arguing about whether this kid should be in jail for life, or for some lesser period. What we should be asking ourselves is, “How in hell did an 11-year-old get hold of a gun?”

All the evidence suggests – that he did it, it was premeditated – he told two people he was going to do it, he tried to cover it up by getting rid of the shell casing, and led the police on a wild goose chase saying that there had been a truck there earlier – when in fact there was snow on the ground and the only tracks in the snow where his and the victims daughters as they left the house to catch the bus to school. The gun was a gift from his father – who let him keep it in his bedroom along with 5 others.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/869292/Jordan%20Brown%20Decision.pdf

Gun Deaths – the reality

States with top 5 gun death rates and the % of gun ownership:

1. Louisiana, 46%
2. Mississippi, 54%
3, Alaska, 61%
4. Alabama, 57%
5. Nevada, 32%

States with lowest gun death rates and the % of gun ownership:

46. New York, 18%
47. Connecticut, 16%
48. Massachusetts, 13%
49. Rhode Island, 13%
50. Hawaii, 10%

You admit you would imprison a 4 year old who intentionally killed another person.Let’s try a 3 year old – would you imprison a 3 year old?

These are critical years of social development for a child! I think some people that even at 20 years old a 20 year sentence is LIFE, because YOUR LIFE IS OVER! The child should have counseling, but not in a prison environment; it is too detrimental!

And listen! If the father had given the child arsenic as a gift and then the two died of arsenic poisoning would you still say the father didn’t have a ‘hidden hand’ in influencing the child?

I’m a reminded of a case where a man killed his wife during sex and gave the judge a story that they were use to some kinky sex at used burning alcohol and that time he just got into it all too much and it just happened! The judge believed it! The guy poured alcohol over his wife and set her on fire!

As far as I’m concerned, it matters not one whit whether the child knew what he was doing because putting someone of such an age in prison for the rest of his natural life is, bluntly put, an abomination. Not even Stalin did such a thing in the Soviet Union of the 1930s. Such punishment just underlines how far the United States has sunk. And then Americans have the chutzpah to lecture others on human rights!! The hypocrisy is simply mind-boggling. Shame!

he was 12, taking this babies life does not bring back the other baby. But rehabilitating this boy, may make a future productive citizen out of him.

Why bars? Why not in a treatment facility where they have at least HOPE for recovery?

I have been waiting for any HARD science for psychology for years, so you ask a very good question.

I’m actually torn here. Normally…I consider American law and order/punishment franchises a bad thing. We leap at every televised opportunity to hate on the people who get arrested for a crime…sometimes long before even basic facts emerge about the case. Our national frenzy to cast blame, feel better about ourselves, and incarcerate even small time offenders has led us down a rabbit hole into a wonderland of lost rights, ruined lives and busted budgets…

…but there are some people who are born lacking any semblance of familiar human emotion…who lack the capacity to judge right from wrong even at an age when its still blurry for most people…who act out on whim what all rational people would reject after the initial anger has passed.

Usually I call these people Republicans and leave it at that…but this isn’t one of those cases, or at least it doesn’t seem to be.

There is a high likelihood that this kid belongs in custody for a very long time, although I’d consider the matter psychiatric rather than penal…since the kid was 11…and clearly morally defective if even a part of charges are true and accurate. I honestly can’t say with certainty what the right course is here. Some things are just so horrible that the rational, ethical mind can’t navigate them easily. I am glad I wasn’t the judge in a case like this…I value my ability to sleep soundly…and something like this would interfere with that basic comfort. I reserve most of my sympathy for the surviving family…because this event now hangs like a shadow over the rest of their lives.

Eugenics… you know who else was one…yes a rotund pig with a cute little mustache that wanted to keep the genes pure.

If his father gave him the gun or let him keep he gun (and others) instead of keeping it locked in a gun safe, then the father needs to be in the dock – for reckless indifference, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and because he’s just to stupid to be allowed to live in society unsupervised.

Sounds like a good plan, can I join?

I had a psychopath for a boy friend when I was younger. I know them very well. You’re wrong, as they CAN feel emotions, it just isn’t as strong or as correct to the response as most people. IF you take the time to understand how they tick YOU CAN work with them. You have to appeal to their self indulgent side. Once you explain how it benefits them, well they are cool.

As far as this kid, he is not a psychopath. I saw his reactions on tv, and they don’t look mocked, off cue, or even a bit fake. He looks like a little kid in a big scar system.

And where is your psychology Ph.D. from?

He was sentenced based on what he did at the age of 11.

Anyone who knows anything about child neurological/psychological development knows that kids mature mentally at vastly different rates.

It’s a good thing he wasn’t a banker who foreclosed on so many people’s homes that some committed suicide due to what he did. The only difference between what the banker did and what the boy may have done is that the boy didn’t have the money to shove up the judge’s ass for his re-election campaign. The banker would have gotten off and the state would have paid him for his trouble. The boy will go to prison where he will be repeatedly raped. That will be alright with the judge.

High probability that this kid will never be rehabilitated – Short of frontal lobotomy or major brain hacking. Statistics tend to show the younger a person is when he kills, the more likely he will do it again.

I don’t believe anybody can dispute that the era of “lock em up and throw away the key” has been a financial windfall for the “criminal justice industry” and has not benefited society as a whole! Expecting an 11 year old to have full knowledge of what he/she does and the consequences of the same is utterly ridiculous. I remember how stupid I was when I was 11 and I refuse to believe this kids is any different than I was at that age. Fortunately, I didn’t kill anybody but I certainly had to be yanked back from the brink of total destruction by my parents more times than I care to remember. We need to yank this kid back not advocate for the total annihilation of the remainder of his life.

Something wrong with the father. Who in their right mind gives a gun to an eleven year old?
This child needs some heavy duty counseling, rehabilitation in an environment which provides
some love. He obviously hasn’t experienced maternal love or guidance. I blame the father, equally.

He should get the death penalty. If you murder a couple of people, i don’t care who you are, or how old you are. That crap is wrong, and anyone can figure that out. He is no longer a positive/productive member of society, and i don’t like the idea of keeping him around. If things went as smoothly as i just mention. People, and stupid kids, would think three times before ruining the lives of so many. “Try to explain to a 12-year-old what the rest of your life means. It’s incomprehensible for him.” If you were to tell him you’re being put to death next week. I’m certain he would be able to comprehend that.

Apparently there have been some sarcasm detector fails.

Hahaha, he is a product of your system. you can only blame yourself & your ilk for the dysfunctionality of American society.

this country gets more brutal and crooked by the day! we seem to be following in the steps of our permanant parasite (israhell)! we are becoming a sick joke to the rest of the world!

“and i don’t like the idea of keeping him around”???

You don’t like having him around. So kill him?

It isn’t super complex knowledge to know that the mind of an eleven year old does not have a grip on reality. If they did have a full understanding of reality, they would be driving cars, voting, working full time jobs and living their own apartments and paying their bills without being told to. When I was eleven, I was a trouble making little bastard. I had NOT A CLUE as to what effect that some of the things I was doing had on people. Sending this kid away for life will be done by an ADULT who has no grip on reality or a conscience for that matter. Creating another tradgedy will not make this right. All it will do is sooth the vengful minds and souls of those who lost a loved one. American justice is sick to even contemplate sending him away for life. We are truely moving in reverse at full throttle. Primitives.

He knew what he was doing. Unless he has severe mental problems, he would have known what a gun can do.

I am more interested in why such a tragic event occurred. Not securing a gun from children is bad enough, but for a kid to actually do something like that is very unusual.

Even the most wicked people need the full protection of the law. He is probably facing a very stiff sentence, but it will have to have been handed down fairly for it to stick.

Very similar to the Bulger case in the UK.

If he was an adult, I would expect the death penalty for such a heinous crime.

America needs a full and open trial to get to the bottom of this.

No worries, in 4 years he WILL be an adult, and then we have nothing to worry about.
Conversely, Im sure that if Bush ever goes to trial, he will be tried as a child and serve 2 months probation.

Ah, and what a better place to find love, guidance, and counseling than the federal penitentiaries of our glorious land….

NO, he should not get the death penalty, or even life. He is a child, and that is why he is not permitted to smoke, drink, join the army, have sex with an adult, sign contracts, serve on a jury- he is a child and thinks like a child.

A society can be judged on how they treat their weakest members. Trying a child as an adult, besides being a political stunt, is cruel.

The fact that the US has more people incarcerated than China (A lot due to the stupid “WAR ON DRUGS”) is bad enough, but to jail an 11 year old boy forever is worse, In incarcerations, We’re #1.

Just exterminate this little murderer and be done with it. Live in prison will cost us too much and the kid knew exactly what he was doing.

Here’s a boy who probably has a bit of a hard time understanding how his dad is having a baby with someone who isn’t his mom, might fear losing dad to the new family, and reaches into his emotional toolbox and what does he find… Boom!

The only things society put there.

12 Years old. If he’s like most American boys he’s had his share of violent TV, movies and video games prompting what we see here, a sad and violent outcome.

We keep pumping out crap and we’ll see plenty more of this.

Yes I blame his upbringing too, but tell me as a parent that your children believe what you say to the same degree as that friggen box in the corner with all of their peers acting inappropriately… Only when they too become adults will they see the lessons you were trying to teach them.

Talking to 12 year olds is like talking in a time warp, they don’t hear anything you said in real time, it’s all on a 10 to 20 year delay.

Exactly. Science, not emotion.

I agree that he should be eligible for parole… say, in 40 or 50 years.

May you have many, many, many children.

Riiiiiight, Kill him for no longer being a productive member to society. Looks like I finally have a reason to get rid of all those annoying kids.

Children are children and by default they already are NOT productive members of society. It is a parents job to raise them to BECOME productive and when parents fail at that your answer is to just kill or incarcerate. I bet you thank your lucky stars for how productive you’ve been since your mom crapped you out instead of tossing you on the pile of non-productive babies.

You sir, are underinformed. 11 year olds do not have the mental capacity to understand consequence. The ability to think abstractly comes in around 15 or 16. This is why firearms should be kept away from kids except in strictly controlled circumstances for training or hunting.

Think back to when you were 11 (it doesn’t sound that that was long ago) and how the world seemed then.

“Amnesty notes that the US is one of only two countries in the world who have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Somalia is the other country.”

I for one cannot let that stand. I KNOW America can beat Somalia if it really, really tries.
Heck, America is the greatest country in the world, right?
Right…?

His father gave it to him and let him keep it in his bedroom with others. The father should be the one on trial here as well.

The Bible Says:
“He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes” (Proverbs 13:24) and “Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs 23:13-14)

He’ll likely go to a children’s facility until he reaches an age appropriate for transfer.

Also, almost all prisoners (young and old) are wards of corporations now. WAY TO GO, FOR PROFIT IMPRISONMENT!

From the story, his father gave it to him along with others and they were not stored in a gun safe. The kid should get ten years probation and the father should get 10 years in jail.

Especially the fabulously appointed, privately-owned dungeons. It’s my guess that many of these are owned by the same criminals on Wall St. who are running the country from within the administration and who will never be held to account for their own destructive crimes and other immoral acts.

You’re a sick person and I feel sorry for you. Instead of putting the blame on the father that put that gun and several others in that young boys bedroom and clearly thought kids and guns went together you’d rather euthanize his ‘animal’ son.

Killing children is never ok.

Common sense tells us that the Bible is filled to the brim with outdated ideas from tribal cultures that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with cultures that exist in the 21st century. One of which is deity-sanctioned acceptance of slavery. The other is the death penalty for working on the sabbath. Or death to those who eat shrimp.

Oh yes, well we’re much more civilized because we kill OUR prisoners with drugs while they do it with stones. That makes all the difference in the world, don’t ya know.

A lil white kid getting sent up–oh snap!

Most of our prisoners are killed in Texas which isn’t really a part of the US (just wishing). On the other hand I think Illinois just banned the death penalty so maybe there’s hope for us, I could be wrong. What gets me is why the prison-industrial complex would kill off a profit center (prisoner)? They must be worth more dead than alive.

11 years old! Meh…
I believe personal responsibility begins at conception. Even sperm should face a maximum of the death penalty on conviction for capital offenses. Amen.

What are you trying to say?

The bible says all that? Wow, I have a pet parrot and all she can say is “Polly I’m a cracker”.

This damn country is way fucked up. An 11 year old kid with a gun is responsible for his actions, but the gun owner is not? An 11 year old kid with a gun is treated like an adult, but if he gets molested, and he likes it, he is treated like an 11 year old kid? Not that it’s OK to molest a child, but the laws are fucking him over.

He shot the wrong person.

So we have an agreement on this issue :)

That we are told how bad the Iranians are because they stone people to death while we kill people too but just with a different method. I think a lot of the outrage about Iran is also because they are sentencing people to death for “moral” crimes like adultery and homosexuality.

I guess I’m complicated and my views are still evolving (evolving? more like a damn circus wheel if you ask me)

I wish you were correct,

but as you probably know, California is the home of the barbaric three-strikes laws. This particular case is in Pennsylvania but similar atrocities routinely occur most other places. The police in New York, Philadelphia, Miami, New Orleans, Dallas, Chicago and Los Angeles all have proven histories of torturing and framing innocent people. And the injustices throughout the South, Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona have become world infamous.

The United States is as violent and barbaric a nation as ever existed.

LOL, the bible? Please, lets keep this discourse in the real world.

“Somalia is the other country.”

Well, Somalia doesn’t have a government.. So no, it’s juuuust the US. Good record there.

I guess we all belong to the “complicated” specie :) A long as you don`t play the Nazi-Jew hater card with me. I`ll be respectful to you, I don’t think you are an idiot and you know the real antisemites are wearing their pathology as a badge of honor, why would I be different?.

Your inconditional support for Israel and the Zonist project is more of the result of a lack of understanding of the real nature of Zionism ( and I am saying this without malice or animosity). You should read the works of the godfathers of Zionism and the history of the movement, to understand that this political ideology is Judaism worst enemy.

I read yesterday, that @25% of our US manufacturing is done in prison, by prisoners, who are paid cents on the hour. Combine that with losing half of our manufacturing jobs to Asia and the third world, and we have nothing left. The presidents call for out educating the world is just ridiculus, we need jobs before degrees, or we are putting the cart before the horse.

The kid should get the death penalty. He knew the difference between right and wrong, and killed the woman in her sleep. He knew what he was doing. If he’s not taken care of now, we’ll have another serial killer in our hands in ten years. Those kinds of people are savages by nature and I commend the judge.

Absolutely right, it is an issue over moral & methodology rather than an ethical issue. Remember that the 3 main monotheist religions condemn homosexuality and adultery. there are radicals on each sides who advocate the death penalty for gays & physical punishment for women who practice adultery.

Hell, he couldn’t even sign up for Little League or Boy Scouts without parental permission . . . and I’m wondering who just left the gun sitting around gathering dust . . . anybody ever hear of a trigger-lock?

Meanwhile torturers Bush & Cheney walk free with the blood of 1,000,000 Iraqis on their hands . . . is this a great country or what?

I am glad I am Canadian. Your country’s laws are barbarous! You have a sickness permeating the soul of your nation. Sorry, that’s how I see this. You need to join the modern age. This isn’t the 19th century. What are you going to do next, bring back the poor laws and workhouses?

I am shocked. How can an 11 year old be tried as an adult? Or rather, how can he be tried at all. A penal system that allows children to be tried and sentenced to prison is in need of serious reformation.

I wrote to my congress critter and both US senators about ratifying the child rights treaty. i received from all of them a stunning letter about how, if the US signed this treaty, it would impact negatively on USA sovereignty. “Crazy answer”, thinks me, as any treaty a country signs between other nations signifies a change of attitude of some sort, be it trade, or some ideological issue. As far as child rights go, children have none in this country at all, other than not being forced to work as small fry. Our republican congress is actually talking about abolishing child labor laws as I write this. Yes, by all means, let us throw 11 year-olds in prison forever, and get those three to five year-olds back in the mines and factories so the little parasites can earn their keep or be kept out of the way. Geez.(irony meant to be implied here). Back to the 11 -12 year-old kid…NO concept of “the rest of his life” is quite correct. Even adults most often get out on parole for murder. This child obviously has some serious problems and should be hospitalized and treated for several years so that he gets the concept of “thou shall not kill” (unless you work for the gov’t and join the armed forces or go to work for firms like the former Blackwater Corp.) and given some chance to be rehabilitated and rejoin society as a useful member at some point.

Ermm…. I’m British, an atheist, utterly opposed to the death penalty, and not in favour of jailing a person for life for a crime committed at 11 years old. Just in case any you’re not being sarcastic yourself, and actually took my original comments as being serious.

So you also stay away from Women when they are menstrating – Right?

I’m not sure how you define “abstract thinking”, but I’m quite certain that 11 year olds have the ability to know right from wrong, understand cause and effect, and the idea that there are consequences for actions. Otherwise, why don’t we see thousands of kids under the age of 15 committing murder and many other less serious crimes?

BTW, I don’t believe he should face life in prison or be tried as an adult. However, do you really believe that this person is not a threat to society? Who should be held responsible if he is released and kills again?

Well, since she was pregnant and unmarried, under Sharia law he would be commended for having killed an adulteress . . .

Blackwater may want to recruit him for their special operations group . . . . . .

And the gun was left unlocked by ? ? ?

He should be tried as a juvenile an eleven year old kid does not have a clue. I will guarantee you what he was trying to get rid of was the person ( the baby the stepmom was secondary ) he saw as the reason his Father was being taken away from him.

I never cease to be astonished by the willingness of our fellow citizens to ignore the double and triple standards of behavior that have in effect abolished any semblance of the rule law.

Any nation without law is a “tyranny.” In our case, that tyranny is taking the form of a plutocracy.

In Plato’s Republic, the oligarch Thrasymachus argues that “justice is the rule of the stronger.” Contemporary America is proving his point.

HIs lawyers would have entered a plea of innocence for any of a large number of reasons, including:

1. He didn’t do it.

2. He was legally insane when he did it.

3. He was as a matter of law not legally competent (old enough) to be held responsible for the act.

The judge’s utterly irrational and plainly unjust decision to try him as an adult because he plead not-guilty in effect holds that only children who plead guilty will be tried as children.

There was no law operating in this case, just a cruel decree of a morally worthless potentate.

How does a country so anti-abortion, treat a child this way?
The supreme court ruled against child execution in 2005 instead of 1805.
If the court system is now in line with Somalia, I guess America is becoming civilized.

I’d suggest some reading on developmental psychology. Eleven year olds think differently, that’s why we have juvenile offender laws.

Your second paragraph brings up the main point, how do we protect society? We don’t have properly-funded rehabilitation facilities, because no-one wants to spend money helping criminals (although they are happy to spend 50 or 60 a year grand to incarcerate them. In the end, a free society entails risk and there will be people who re-offend. It is not simple.

The kid had some issues of being kicked to the side with the dads new “squeeze”, but with all the talk about the”baby” (ie. Seinfield episode), he was becoming the third “spot” on the table. It’s very hard for fathers to raise kids after a divorce/death etc. The guns might have been a “thing” that they did together. No excuse for lack of a safe or trigger lock. And keeping the ammo locked up and hidden.

Sure glad you aren’t in a position of power and are unlikely to ever be so. For an eleven year-old the meaning of life is very different than for an adult.

Good points. It comes back to the father. It’s his job to handle the introduction of a new relationship and a step-sibling with his son. If he can’t do it get some professional help. Clearly the father failed here.

And isn’t it interesting that these religious taboos are written by men have much to do with sex or rather the control of it.

Yeah, incentivizing incarceration by making it so corporations profit when people go to jail is a VERY bad idea.

Do some reading in developmental psychology and the picture will become clearer.

Easy answers like yours are rarely a solution. Calling a tragic kid a monster makes you scum in my eyes.

We don’t need poor laws and workhouses–we have the Private Prison System. We’ve created a system that forces all the poor into the oldest neighborhoods with lousy schools and no hope of employment. A child in such an environment sees only one way to survive–running drugs and guns for the gangs that rule the neighborhood. If that child lives through adolescence he will most likely go to prison. Once that happens, he has even fewer opportunities for his future and, by continually returning to that prison, makes big bucks for the owners of the prisons. .

Care to volunteer you fucking SCUM?
Because its clear at whatever your age is you have no grips with reality at all no matter how normal you think you are

Jordan Brown’s father should go to prison for the rest of his life – for allowing his 11 year old son to get hold of an unlocked, loaded gun. And for raising a moron, homicidal maniac.

As for the fat little murderer shit himself – the Houk family should take care of him.

child? child? you called this boy a child but children don’t go around shooting people…. “hate” ok but to shoot and kill someone and they were pregnant also no way!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. Banks own this political system and to extract their tribute they’ll need to bring back the poor houses and workhouses before long.

There isn’t enough here for a rational comment, in my opinion.

I taught sixth graders for eight years (and many other elementary grades for a total of 20 years). What happened to the boy’s natural mother? What intervention help was given, if any, for his obviously extreme disturbance? How did the father treat him? How did the step-mother treat him–it is hard to imagine it was with love and kindness.

The boy needs help now, and it is not a life in prison (where I would submit from what I read here, the judge should be).

“Why is he proclaiming innocence?”
Because his a child and has no fucking idea what he has done?
How do you expect a kid to react?

I have read Herzl and some of the others, as a Heeb myself I understand Herzl’s feelings secondary to the Dreyfus affair which launched his ideas of telling the world “fuck you!” we’re not gonna take it anymore so I get kinda tired of antisemitism (especially when I know my family had the backs of their heads blown off standing on the rim of a gravel pit outside Vilna) especially when couched with the love of christ. I’m not so sure that Zionism is the great evil the left loves to say it is compared with what has been done to us over the years. There are plenty of antisemities who don’t even know why they hate Jews and sure love to fucking hate us more and more whenever Israel does anything which isn’t politically correct. On the other hand I think Israel has as a result of being under constant bombardment become militarized and increasingly caters to the hard-right and ultra-orthodox. There are radical fringes who are being allowed to govern policy and this is not healthy in any country.

If what you say is true that doesn’t mean you can’t at least try
Especially by your words the problems are clear
If they can’t be helped until they reach adulthood by all accounts lock them up and throw away the key,but we should try to help them first

Since you feel you get to put him off this rock because of slights you think are important, I say I get to put you off this rock for being a blathering idiot and wasting resources that sane, intelligent people could be putting to better use. We’re over populated, and we need protection from the flood of stupid people with no compassion or understanding of the world. You’re useless and only cause more people to die because of the resources you waste, so I guess we need to remove you from the world too.

Since you feel you get to put him off this rock because of slights you think are important, I say I get to put you off this rock for being a blathering idiot and wasting resources that sane, intelligent people could be putting to better use. We’re over populated, and we need protection from the flood of stupid people with no compassion or understanding of the world. You’re useless and only cause more people to die because of the resources you waste, so I guess we need to remove you from the world too.

Here’s a boy who draped a blanket over his 20 gauge shotgun (given as an Easter present by Dad, with whom he often goes hunting), walked into his mother-to-be’s bedroom while she was still in bed, and killed here with a point-blank shot to the head.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2688269/boy_12_following_in_edmund_kempers.html?cat=2
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering_pg3.html?cat=25

The pregnant Kenzie Houk also had two daughters, 4 and 7, living in the farmhouse with Jordan and his father. Little homicidal maniac Jordan Brown calmly put his shotgun back in his bedroom, with a bullet hole in his blanket, and then went off to school with Kenzie’s 7 year old daughter. Kenzie’s 4 year old daughter found her dead mother, with her head blown off, later that day.

Fat football player Jordan Brown is one frakked up little bastard, and if he ever gets parole, I hope he is walking with a limp, coughing a lot, with bad eyesight, sometime in the 2060′s.

Here’s a boy who draped a blanket over his 20 gauge shotgun (given as an Easter present by Dad, with whom he often goes hunting), walked into his mother-to-be’s bedroom while she was still in bed, and killed here with a point-blank shot to the head.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2688269/boy_12_following_in_edmund_kempers.html?cat=2
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering_pg3.html?cat=25

The pregnant Kenzie Houk also had two daughters, 4 and 7, living in the farmhouse with Jordan and his father. Little homicidal maniac Jordan Brown calmly put his shotgun back in his bedroom, with a bullet hole in his blanket, and then went off to school with Kenzie’s 7 year old daughter. Kenzie’s 4 year old daughter found her dead mother, with her head blown off, later that day.

Fat football player Jordan Brown is one frakked up little bastard, and if he ever gets parole, I hope he is walking with a limp, coughing a lot, with bad eyesight, sometime in the 2060′s.

Here’s a boy who draped a blanket over his 20 gauge shotgun (given as an Easter present by Dad, with whom he often goes hunting), walked into his mother-to-be’s bedroom while she was still in bed, and killed here with a point-blank shot to the head.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2688269/boy_12_following_in_edmund_kempers.html?cat=2
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering_pg3.html?cat=25

The pregnant Kenzie Houk also had two daughters, 4 and 7, living in the farmhouse with Jordan and his father. Little homicidal maniac Jordan Brown calmly put his shotgun back in his bedroom, with a bullet hole in his blanket, and then went off to school with Kenzie’s 7 year old daughter. Kenzie’s 4 year old daughter found her dead mother, with her head blown off, later that day.

Fat football player Jordan Brown is one frakked up little bastard, and if he ever gets parole, I hope he is walking with a limp, coughing a lot, with bad eyesight, sometime in the 2060′s.

Hitler would be proud of you!

Hitler would be proud of you!

Hitler would be proud of you!

I see you deflected instead of addressed the point that proves your distinct lack of ability to comprehend logic. You sound like the tea bagger here at work.. when he suggested something kind of stupid a while back, I drew the logical conclusion to what he was suggesting and his response was “logic doesn’t matter, you just have to feel what’s right”. — the modern technology based world you live in disagrees.

I see you deflected instead of addressed the point that proves your distinct lack of ability to comprehend logic. You sound like the tea bagger here at work.. when he suggested something kind of stupid a while back, I drew the logical conclusion to what he was suggesting and his response was “logic doesn’t matter, you just have to feel what’s right”. — the modern technology based world you live in disagrees.

I see you deflected instead of addressed the point that proves your distinct lack of ability to comprehend logic. You sound like the tea bagger here at work.. when he suggested something kind of stupid a while back, I drew the logical conclusion to what he was suggesting and his response was “logic doesn’t matter, you just have to feel what’s right”. — the modern technology based world you live in disagrees.

It is barbaric to charge an 11-year-old child as an adult. I find it hard to believe that we are that uncivilized in this country. What about charging the father with parenting failure? How did his son get ahold of a loaded gun in the first place?

This judge should be impeached on grounds of insanity.

It is barbaric to charge an 11-year-old child as an adult. I find it hard to believe that we are that uncivilized in this country. What about charging the father with parenting failure? How did his son get ahold of a loaded gun in the first place?

This judge should be impeached on grounds of insanity.

It is barbaric to charge an 11-year-old child as an adult. I find it hard to believe that we are that uncivilized in this country. What about charging the father with parenting failure? How did his son get ahold of a loaded gun in the first place?

This judge should be impeached on grounds of insanity.

“For the good of themselves and society they needed to remain institutionalized until a better solution might someday become available.”

And that solution is not gen pop at a prison… not the prison system we have here in the U.S., anyway.

“For the good of themselves and society they needed to remain institutionalized until a better solution might someday become available.”

And that solution is not gen pop at a prison… not the prison system we have here in the U.S., anyway.

“For the good of themselves and society they needed to remain institutionalized until a better solution might someday become available.”

And that solution is not gen pop at a prison… not the prison system we have here in the U.S., anyway.

Or, since many want to suggest his “brain is broken”, why not a psychiatric facility where he can be studied and medicated?

I’ve never understood why, as a society, we’d rather toss people in tiny cells and forget about them for 10 to 20 years and “hope they magically get better” than to actually actively HELP them get better.. I guess the biggest problem is you can interchange “hope” and “pray”, and the answer becomes clear. Deluded people are setting policy, and that’s a bad idea.

Or, since many want to suggest his “brain is broken”, why not a psychiatric facility where he can be studied and medicated?

I’ve never understood why, as a society, we’d rather toss people in tiny cells and forget about them for 10 to 20 years and “hope they magically get better” than to actually actively HELP them get better.. I guess the biggest problem is you can interchange “hope” and “pray”, and the answer becomes clear. Deluded people are setting policy, and that’s a bad idea.

Or, since many want to suggest his “brain is broken”, why not a psychiatric facility where he can be studied and medicated?

I’ve never understood why, as a society, we’d rather toss people in tiny cells and forget about them for 10 to 20 years and “hope they magically get better” than to actually actively HELP them get better.. I guess the biggest problem is you can interchange “hope” and “pray”, and the answer becomes clear. Deluded people are setting policy, and that’s a bad idea.

Hello ?
It was his gun, a 20 gauge shotgun given to him by his father as an Easter present. Having gone hunting many times with dear old Dad, he knew exactly what a gun can do to a living animal, which is why he aimed directly at his Mom-to-be’s head while she lay sleeping. Dad was off at work already.

Did I mention he went off to school with the dead women’s 7 year old daughter minutes after blowing her head off ? Talk about one sick little bastard…

With Mom brainless in bed, the 4 year old daughter had no one to take care of her. Finding dead Mom in bed, the poor little girl ran out of the house, trying to find someone to help, and finally found some tree trimmers working in the area.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering.html?cat=25
http://celebgalz.com/jordan-anthony-brown-killed-kenzie-houk-brown-killed-houk-photo/

Hello ?
It was his gun, a 20 gauge shotgun given to him by his father as an Easter present. Having gone hunting many times with dear old Dad, he knew exactly what a gun can do to a living animal, which is why he aimed directly at his Mom-to-be’s head while she lay sleeping. Dad was off at work already.

Did I mention he went off to school with the dead women’s 7 year old daughter minutes after blowing her head off ? Talk about one sick little bastard…

With Mom brainless in bed, the 4 year old daughter had no one to take care of her. Finding dead Mom in bed, the poor little girl ran out of the house, trying to find someone to help, and finally found some tree trimmers working in the area.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering.html?cat=25
http://celebgalz.com/jordan-anthony-brown-killed-kenzie-houk-brown-killed-houk-photo/

Hello ?
It was his gun, a 20 gauge shotgun given to him by his father as an Easter present. Having gone hunting many times with dear old Dad, he knew exactly what a gun can do to a living animal, which is why he aimed directly at his Mom-to-be’s head while she lay sleeping. Dad was off at work already.

Did I mention he went off to school with the dead women’s 7 year old daughter minutes after blowing her head off ? Talk about one sick little bastard…

With Mom brainless in bed, the 4 year old daughter had no one to take care of her. Finding dead Mom in bed, the poor little girl ran out of the house, trying to find someone to help, and finally found some tree trimmers working in the area.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2786950/accused_boy_12_tried_as_adult_for_murdering.html?cat=25
http://celebgalz.com/jordan-anthony-brown-killed-kenzie-houk-brown-killed-houk-photo/

The 3 strike laws actually make sense, and wouldn’t be a problem at all if we lived in a society that actually let people earn a living after getting out of prison. Our bigotry and willingness to shit on others so we can get ahead is the problem.. and unfortunately, in order to prevent total collapse of society in general, you can’t just let “criminals” continue to inflict harm on everyone around them. There has to be a limit to the dangers visited on the general public; the very nature of government stipulates that with “provide for the general welfare”.

Those who refuse to play by the rules need to be removed from the group. We just need to fix the broken rules, make them more fair (and fix our broken penal system so it rehabilitates instead of abandons troubled souls).

The 3 strike laws actually make sense, and wouldn’t be a problem at all if we lived in a society that actually let people earn a living after getting out of prison. Our bigotry and willingness to shit on others so we can get ahead is the problem.. and unfortunately, in order to prevent total collapse of society in general, you can’t just let “criminals” continue to inflict harm on everyone around them. There has to be a limit to the dangers visited on the general public; the very nature of government stipulates that with “provide for the general welfare”.

Those who refuse to play by the rules need to be removed from the group. We just need to fix the broken rules, make them more fair (and fix our broken penal system so it rehabilitates instead of abandons troubled souls).

The 3 strike laws actually make sense, and wouldn’t be a problem at all if we lived in a society that actually let people earn a living after getting out of prison. Our bigotry and willingness to shit on others so we can get ahead is the problem.. and unfortunately, in order to prevent total collapse of society in general, you can’t just let “criminals” continue to inflict harm on everyone around them. There has to be a limit to the dangers visited on the general public; the very nature of government stipulates that with “provide for the general welfare”.

Those who refuse to play by the rules need to be removed from the group. We just need to fix the broken rules, make them more fair (and fix our broken penal system so it rehabilitates instead of abandons troubled souls).

There are many in this country that wish they could slowly and painfully execute homosexuals. Some of them sitting at the levers of power. … and hate crimes where homosexuals are brutally murdered, while not “state sanctioned execution”, is still a “society” that engages in such behavior.

The United States has no position to try and stand on a high horse. Not even close.

There are many in this country that wish they could slowly and painfully execute homosexuals. Some of them sitting at the levers of power. … and hate crimes where homosexuals are brutally murdered, while not “state sanctioned execution”, is still a “society” that engages in such behavior.

The United States has no position to try and stand on a high horse. Not even close.

There are many in this country that wish they could slowly and painfully execute homosexuals. Some of them sitting at the levers of power. … and hate crimes where homosexuals are brutally murdered, while not “state sanctioned execution”, is still a “society” that engages in such behavior.

The United States has no position to try and stand on a high horse. Not even close.

Greetings,

You forgot the line where I said “GPS ankle bracelet, a probation officer and counseling”. That is an option that doesn’t require them to be behind bars.

Greetings,

You forgot the line where I said “GPS ankle bracelet, a probation officer and counseling”. That is an option that doesn’t require them to be behind bars.

Greetings,

You forgot the line where I said “GPS ankle bracelet, a probation officer and counseling”. That is an option that doesn’t require them to be behind bars.

Actually, 17 year old children can join the Army:
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_eligibility,,00.html

In 2004 the Director of Military Personnel Policy for the US Army acknowledged in a letter to Human Rights Watch that nearly 60 17-year old US soldiers had been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004.

In 2008 ACLU stated in a report on “Abusive U.S. Military Recruitment and Failure to Protect Child Soldiers” that “By exposing children younger than 17 to military recruitment, the United States military violates the terms of the Optional Protocol [on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children#North_America

Can a society be judged on how they recruit their soldiers, too ?

Actually, 17 year old children can join the Army:
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_eligibility,,00.html

In 2004 the Director of Military Personnel Policy for the US Army acknowledged in a letter to Human Rights Watch that nearly 60 17-year old US soldiers had been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004.

In 2008 ACLU stated in a report on “Abusive U.S. Military Recruitment and Failure to Protect Child Soldiers” that “By exposing children younger than 17 to military recruitment, the United States military violates the terms of the Optional Protocol [on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children#North_America

Can a society be judged on how they recruit their soldiers, too ?

Actually, 17 year old children can join the Army:
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_eligibility,,00.html

In 2004 the Director of Military Personnel Policy for the US Army acknowledged in a letter to Human Rights Watch that nearly 60 17-year old US soldiers had been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004.

In 2008 ACLU stated in a report on “Abusive U.S. Military Recruitment and Failure to Protect Child Soldiers” that “By exposing children younger than 17 to military recruitment, the United States military violates the terms of the Optional Protocol [on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children#North_America

Can a society be judged on how they recruit their soldiers, too ?

Actually, 17 year old children can join the Army:
http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_eligibility,,00.html

In 2004 the Director of Military Personnel Policy for the US Army acknowledged in a letter to Human Rights Watch that nearly 60 17-year old US soldiers had been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004.

In 2008 ACLU stated in a report on “Abusive U.S. Military Recruitment and Failure to Protect Child Soldiers” that “By exposing children younger than 17 to military recruitment, the United States military violates the terms of the Optional Protocol [on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children#North_America

Can a society be judged on how they recruit their soldiers, too ?

“The law in its majestic equality forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.”

Victor Hugo

“The law in its majestic equality forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.”

Victor Hugo

“The law in its majestic equality forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.”

Victor Hugo

“The law in its majestic equality forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.”

Victor Hugo

Little child picks up a man’s gun and kills two people, he should face a man’s justice. However, I don’t believe ever in no-chance. He should have a chance for parole, when he’s developed the mind to have figured out the horrendous sin he’s committed. No one is saying he should not be punished, but life without the chance of parole is needlessly cruel.

Little child picks up a man’s gun and kills two people, he should face a man’s justice. However, I don’t believe ever in no-chance. He should have a chance for parole, when he’s developed the mind to have figured out the horrendous sin he’s committed. No one is saying he should not be punished, but life without the chance of parole is needlessly cruel.

Little child picks up a man’s gun and kills two people, he should face a man’s justice. However, I don’t believe ever in no-chance. He should have a chance for parole, when he’s developed the mind to have figured out the horrendous sin he’s committed. No one is saying he should not be punished, but life without the chance of parole is needlessly cruel.

Little child picks up a man’s gun and kills two people, he should face a man’s justice. However, I don’t believe ever in no-chance. He should have a chance for parole, when he’s developed the mind to have figured out the horrendous sin he’s committed. No one is saying he should not be punished, but life without the chance of parole is needlessly cruel.

Greetings,

No need to study them as I’ve already stated what I believe to be their flaw. I’m not sure what medication gives a person the ability to reason through their thoughts before they turn into actions. What drug does that?

You could, though, just make them too lethargic to want to do anything which seems to be the current method. In the end, it wont work.

Greetings,

No need to study them as I’ve already stated what I believe to be their flaw. I’m not sure what medication gives a person the ability to reason through their thoughts before they turn into actions. What drug does that?

You could, though, just make them too lethargic to want to do anything which seems to be the current method. In the end, it wont work.

Greetings,

No need to study them as I’ve already stated what I believe to be their flaw. I’m not sure what medication gives a person the ability to reason through their thoughts before they turn into actions. What drug does that?

You could, though, just make them too lethargic to want to do anything which seems to be the current method. In the end, it wont work.

Greetings,

No need to study them as I’ve already stated what I believe to be their flaw. I’m not sure what medication gives a person the ability to reason through their thoughts before they turn into actions. What drug does that?

You could, though, just make them too lethargic to want to do anything which seems to be the current method. In the end, it wont work.

Ok Chip, now we are having a real constructive dialog,it`s a shame it took such long time, but we are on the good path :)

You mentioned Hertzl, but you have to realize that initially Hertzl idea of saving the “Jews” was through conversion to Catholicism, He had the project of converting the Austrian Jews to Catholicism under the sponsorship (should I say benediction) of the Emperor of Austria, this was his idea of save guarding the Jewish identity….

In his diary, Hertzl, page 14, writes:” a way to solve the problem of antisemitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: “It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen’s Cathedral”.

It was long after having personally experienced the Dreyfus affair, that Hertzl realized that Jews were unwanted within the social framework of European societies,
he then published in 1896, “The Jewish State”, where he declared that the cure for antisemitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.
How could any Jew honor a prosperous emancipated atheist Jew who wanted to abolish Judaism?.
I can provide you with quotes from Hertzl speaking of Jews in the most derogatory fashion, that you would believe it has been written by a contemporary European antisemitic.

Ok Chip, now we are having a real constructive dialog,it`s a shame it took such long time, but we are on the good path :)

You mentioned Hertzl, but you have to realize that initially Hertzl idea of saving the “Jews” was through conversion to Catholicism, He had the project of converting the Austrian Jews to Catholicism under the sponsorship (should I say benediction) of the Emperor of Austria, this was his idea of save guarding the Jewish identity….

In his diary, Hertzl, page 14, writes:” a way to solve the problem of antisemitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: “It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen’s Cathedral”.

It was long after having personally experienced the Dreyfus affair, that Hertzl realized that Jews were unwanted within the social framework of European societies,
he then published in 1896, “The Jewish State”, where he declared that the cure for antisemitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.
How could any Jew honor a prosperous emancipated atheist Jew who wanted to abolish Judaism?.
I can provide you with quotes from Hertzl speaking of Jews in the most derogatory fashion, that you would believe it has been written by a contemporary European antisemitic.

Ok Chip, now we are having a real constructive dialog,it`s a shame it took such long time, but we are on the good path :)

You mentioned Hertzl, but you have to realize that initially Hertzl idea of saving the “Jews” was through conversion to Catholicism, He had the project of converting the Austrian Jews to Catholicism under the sponsorship (should I say benediction) of the Emperor of Austria, this was his idea of save guarding the Jewish identity….

In his diary, Hertzl, page 14, writes:” a way to solve the problem of antisemitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: “It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen’s Cathedral”.

It was long after having personally experienced the Dreyfus affair, that Hertzl realized that Jews were unwanted within the social framework of European societies,
he then published in 1896, “The Jewish State”, where he declared that the cure for antisemitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.
How could any Jew honor a prosperous emancipated atheist Jew who wanted to abolish Judaism?.
I can provide you with quotes from Hertzl speaking of Jews in the most derogatory fashion, that you would believe it has been written by a contemporary European antisemitic.

Ok Chip, now we are having a real constructive dialog,it`s a shame it took such long time, but we are on the good path :)

You mentioned Hertzl, but you have to realize that initially Hertzl idea of saving the “Jews” was through conversion to Catholicism, He had the project of converting the Austrian Jews to Catholicism under the sponsorship (should I say benediction) of the Emperor of Austria, this was his idea of save guarding the Jewish identity….

In his diary, Hertzl, page 14, writes:” a way to solve the problem of antisemitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: “It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen’s Cathedral”.

It was long after having personally experienced the Dreyfus affair, that Hertzl realized that Jews were unwanted within the social framework of European societies,
he then published in 1896, “The Jewish State”, where he declared that the cure for antisemitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.
How could any Jew honor a prosperous emancipated atheist Jew who wanted to abolish Judaism?.
I can provide you with quotes from Hertzl speaking of Jews in the most derogatory fashion, that you would believe it has been written by a contemporary European antisemitic.

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Greetings,

I would be interested in a link to that article.

Where is the boy’s mother and how did she feel about her ex’s relationship?
Why is a boy pleading innocence being punished for it?
Why is the judge an asshole?

The woman who was killed cares not for the age of her killer.
At his age, the psychopathic typically torture and kill small animals and work their way up to humans. This kid jumped right in. He knew that shooting someone meant death.

“how can he be tried at all?”?
He murdered some one! Think from the perspective of the family of the victim, or the victim herself, and I don’t see how you could ask such a question.

Gosh, remember when the report on 60 Minutes in the 90s about Chinese prison labor making most of their exported widgets came out? The international human rights groups and Americans were screaming about the injustice of this. Not so much here I guess?

“Life in prison without parole is better than the facing the death penalty.”

Yes, 30 or 40 years of beatings, stabbings, and rape is better than the quiet calm dark of death.

“These two precious lives would not have been lost otherwise!”

You have no idea if they were “precious” or not. There is nothing in this article to suggest she was “precious”; for all you know she was a drug deranged lunatic that beat the kid up on a regular basis. Perhaps she got exactly what she deserved.. how could you know?

nice – real nice. What about the idiot woman who needed a man so badly that she brought her children into a home where an emotionally unstable 11 yr old was permitted to keep a gun under his bed? Why feel sorry for her? She was as much responsible for her own death – I don’t see her as a victim – though I see the unborn child as victim. Better her then me, frankly. She had a bad record herself – a restraining order against at least one man and she moved into the home and planned to marry another man with a domestic violence history. Strange, no?

I don’t know that this kid is a homicidal maniac since the ex husband with the restraining order has no alibi. Also, the woman’s family seems to have always hated this kid. So who really knows? Even if the child did it, there have been numerous children convicted of gun deaths throughout history who go onto never re-offend. Jealousy, which is alleged here, is the oldest motive on the books and plenty of people kill for jealousy and are not sociopaths.

Yes he is a child. Children do many strange and even deadly things. Children have and do shoot and kill people if given the right circumstances (unsupervised access to firearms, mental illness, neglect, etc.). Murder is an adult act. Killing anybody or anything can do. No child is capable of committing murder. Ever. Get it?

“At 11 I knew a lot of things were wrong. ”

because of the information you were given up to that point. Not all people are afforded adequate upbringing, and you want to blame the victim in those cases as well.

“The safety of the innocent populace ”

and you have no idea if he’s a threat to the “populace” because you don’t know what kind of conditions he was living under. You’re making massive assumptions based on your own personal experiences and ignoring the huge amount of information out there that shows many people do NOT have the same experiences as you. That’s quite the egocentric world view you have. .. and the 25 year old guy in Pakistan “knows it’s right to stone a woman to death if she reveals her face in public”.. go figure.

you make some good points – everyone here has him convicted without knowing the facts. First, the dead woman had an ex husband with NO alibi who was not properly excluded from consideration in time to perform forensic tests on him and his clothes. The police settled on the boy almost immediately and failed to follow any other leads. He might be guilty, then again not. Also, the only witness – the woman’s small child – was coached and coaxed into changing her initial statement that she heard and saw nothing. Third, the woman’s family claims the boy was vicious and threatening – they seem to have had it in for him from the beginning, yet clam the woman treated him well. Not likely. There was something going on with their relationship that was unbalanced. Most importanly, the father had a domestic violence citation and had separated from the Mom for potential abuse. Why would any woman in her right mind move into such a man’s home, and permit herself and her children to be exposed to more potenital abuse, while permitting a small child to have open access to a deadly weapon? There’s a lot wrong with this picture. The police and -prosecutor paint this kid as the bad seed. He could be- then again probably not. No one really knows what goes on behind closed doors and given the level of brutality and hate exhibited by this woman’s family, they are no strangers to violent thoughts and anger management issues.

Excuse me, but more barbaric than willfully shooting a pregnant woman?

I’m sorry, but today’s eleven year old is not the same as the eleven year old from a hundred years ago, or, hell, even thirty. This kid knew what he was doing. Are there other factors, yes, but should those absolve him of his responsibility for the act?

The real question that should be at the forefront of all of these kinds of cases is the issue of access to guns, the perpetual elephant in the room from that these discussions avert their eyes.

Its one thing for a child to be playing with a gun and it goes off…. but his stepmother was in her bed sleeping. The child walked into the room and pulled the trigger i dont know about you but thats murder in my book

Really? Even though the kid knew what he was doing you allow for that argument? No way. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. Cognitive functions set into the brain about the age of nine or ten. This kid committed an act of murder. He may not know the consequences for himself, but he definitely knew the consequences of what would happen when he pulled that trigger.

I wonder if the problem rests in the American idea that if you do something bad, you are bad. And if you are bad, that badness is inherent and incurable. You are to be scorned and treated like a leper for the rest of your life because you are BAD.

It is a problem because of the good v evil in the bible. Couple that with the ‘fear of god’ upbringing and a ‘you killed Jesus because you’re a sinner’ and you have a mind unable to develop beyond a childish understanding of human behavior.
So you spend the rest of your life denying this childish guilt and impose it on others. Look he’s bad, kill him.

Sure is a good thing that guns had nothing to do with this … yet again.

I certainly agree with you about access to loaded guns by an 11-year-old and I stated that in my post. However, it is barbaric and against International Law to charge an 11-year-old as an adult. The human brain is not fully developed at the age of 11 and a child should not be held to the same standards as an adult. All of the “civilized” countries of the world agree with that position.

The United States is in extremely bad company when it persists in charging children for crimes in adult courts.

So if Pennsylvania has 450 juveniles serving life sentences… what is wrong with Pennsylvania??

AND… what the hell was an eleven year old doing with a gun?!

Of course it’s murder, I don’t think anyone disputes that, but he should be tried in juvenile court, not adult court.

No civilized country in the world would try an 11-year-old child as an adult. This is against International Law.

Okay, cut it down to half a life then, 40 years.

True… these kids have too many rights and they know it.

What a shame … he doesn’t have a 95 mph curve ball because then he’d get a second chance.

How can any one in their rational mind expect a 11 year old to grasp the gravity of what he has done ? I question the sanity of any adult that expects justice to be handed out to this 11 year old child by incarceration. Yes, we become a nation of justice savages.

Could’ve been poison, or a knife…Can’t ban em all.

As a Jew myself, I find it difficult to get past the idea that the creation of Israel was a “good” thing but like Devil, I realize that many early Zionists had ideas similar to Herzl: If we’re not wanted – let’s re-create Israel.

This is not to say that Jewish settlements pre-dating Herzl’s philosophy didn’t exist. So another aspect of re-creating Israel came from sources other than classic Zionism: Purely religious reasons of re-claiming Eretz Yisrael.

Another issue that complicates the eventual creation of the State of Israel is who lived in Palestine proper. The majority of Palestinian Arabs lived in one of 2 places: Jerusalem, and the area known as Transjordan. It is an unfortunate aspect that Palestine could probably have been considered “ripe for the taking” by any Imperialist State who wanted to claim it, honestly. Except that to turn it into a living area with a self-sustaining agriculture would have been either too expensive and nearly impossible.

It was actually Devil that got me digging a little bit more into pure Zionism as opposed to merely wanting to settle and/or reclaim the land for religious reasons and I had to admit to myself that when one considers Herzl’s motives, Zionism becomes less palatable to me as a Jew.

The woman who was killed was a reckless person with serious issues who moved out of the home of one abusive man into the home of another who had faced domestic abuse charges, thus endangering herself and her children.

The woman who was killed knew full well that an 11 year old child under her roof had open access to a deadly weapon and failed to protest or move herself and her children from the home.

The woman who was killed, endangered all of the people in her community by permitting a small child under her roof to have unrestricted access to a deadly weapon.

The woman’s family has proved to be some of the most hateful and spiteful of victim’s families, calling for the death penalty or life imprisonment for an 11 year old and adult treatment, even though their relative could have easily prevented her own death. Is there any question that the woman did not have the rosey relationship with the child that her family claims or that perhaps she wasn’t quite so nice to him?

There’s zero evidence he is a psychopath although it’s hard to tell where a kid has been groomed to hunt since birth. Plenty of people kill for jealousy and kids rarely kill adults unless there is an underlying reason. He obviously felt neglected and victimized. This was a duysfunctional family and the adults in the house – ALL of the adults are responsible for his well-being.

Let’s stop feeling sorry for stupid adults who arm their children and expose them to domestic violence. Let’s start sending adults who permit children under their roofs open access to guns to prison for a ten year mandatory sentence. Recognize that an 11 year old could be building up anger over mistreatment or PERCIEVED mistreatment and in a home where anger management appears questionable (as both parents have had abusive relationships) let’s stop seeing the kids as the singular guilty parties.

If that kid had shot me instead of her, I would have sued HER and HER husband BOTH for letting him have the weapon and I would have won in court. Her baby is dead because she was grossly negligent and I would say, criminally negligent. Sorry but better her then me.

It’s time America’s adults manned up and took responsibility for weapons. Secure them with a trigger lock or get rid of them. Permit access only when you are in control. No guns in racks over beds or under beds of little boys 9, 10, 11 years old. This is 2011, not the 19th century western frontier. You have an obligation to protect your children from themselves and you also have an obligation to protect ME from THEM. Stop being reckless. And as for the families of the dead adults – you sure seem to care now, but where were you when you heard the kid had a gun under his bed – why didn’t you report it to social services and plead with your relative to take safety precuations?

???
No child is capable of murder? Murder is an “adult” act?
This was a child who “murdered” a pregnant woman! So obviously a “child” is capable of murder!
The murder was committed by a child, so murder is not just an act committed by adults!
As far as trying an 11 or 13 year old as an adult is insanity! This is not an adult!
This is obviously a very fucked up little human being who needs some serious help!
But child or no child, you have to get your mind around the reality that there are some very twisted,cruel and evil human beings on this planet in all age groups,no matter how they were parented or raised!

peace for 2011 and beyond

Sad but true that it’s a public safety issue – you can’t have people walking around who come up from behind while you’re sleeping and blow your brains out with a shotgun.

Was there any evidence of child abuse mental or physical? I cant believe a 11 year old could
intentionally commit such a act if he was in a some what of a normal family environment.
instead of locking him up and throwing away the key why didnt they commit him to a mental facility
and try to help him?

Well, guns are not the problem. After all, guns don’t kill people, it is people with guns that kill other people, right?

There are plenty of cases of kids killing others just for sheer pleasure. There was that famous case in the UK where 3 or 4 kids (about the age of this one) beat another one and then set him on fire.

I’d like to ask the other side of that question:

How can people who are so pro-abortion be against execution for a murderer?

I’d also point out that in this “country that is so anti abortion”, abortion is legal in every state and over 3500 of them are performed every day. About 50,000,000 since roe v wade.

Here’s a better question: if there hadn’t been a gun in the house, could the kid have committed the crime? Oops! My bad. I probably asked a taboo question.

One of the things that’s wrong with PA is that their judges take bribes from the prison contractors to send kids to jail.

There’s more than access to guns. There’s also the issue of the culture of violence that children are growing up with. It’s coming from everywhere: the radio, the TV, the games they play, their peers, the adults, their community. Jesus, the US is a warrior nation. What else can you expect?

Wow, Mike,I have to say, I have a lot of respect for you, not because you came to agree with me,but because you went through the process of fact checking and researching,and you have the courage to change your point of view. After all the argument you and I had in the past, this is some accomplishment for both of us.

This is why the issue of Zionism is so important today,not as a global conspiratorial nevrosis, I for one do not believe in this Jewish Zionist conspiracy bullshit, but as a major geopolitical issue. an issue that has so many repercussions on the world we live today. We are being fed with this sinister and omnipotent concept of clash of civilizations,and in particular with the idea that Islam is the mortal threat to Western societies,but a century ago, it was the Jews who used to be designated as such.2000 years of anti Judaism gave birth to contemporary antisemitism ,which lead directly to the atrocities of the persecutions & extermination of the　European Jews,and now we have the same societies telling us that the next public enemy is the Muslim- Arab….

I find extremely ironical that history demonstrates to us, that persecuted Jews from Europe found refuge in North Africa, the Middle East,the Levant & Turkey.Jews have always lived side by side with Muslims and they enjoyed a much higher standard of living than European or Eastern European Jews, who used to live in squalors & in permanent fear of pogroms and humiliations .the issue of Palestine is not a racial or even a religious war,it is an issue over lands.Many Jews used to live in Palestine among other religious and ethnic communities,these Jews have legitimacy and rights over the land,just as the other indigenous population.But I have a serious problem with the Zionist enterprise which I consider a real threat to Judaism itself. Let`s not forget that the Zionist agenda & the creation of the state of Israel contradicts the very essence of Judaism and the Laws,because Jews are explicitly forbidden to return to Eretz Israel & create a Jewish homeland before the return of the Messiah

I agree with the dad…and lets face it – MOST kids especially at that AGE..do NOT think about consequences of actions……. should he be punished- absolutely but for Life NO……a 11yr old is TOO young to have a Life without parole sentence………america, freedom,liberty….ahhh forget it.

In a simplified, structured environment where there were no opportunities to harm themselves or other people they did surprisingly well and enjoyed a quality of life that would not have been possible otherwise. They *knew* that they were their own worst enemy but were helpless to do anything about it as many complex social situations and interactions simply overwhelmed their ability to cope. Now we just take anyone who is not “willing” to conform to some God-given standards of behavior and belief and make them into a social enemy. The solution for which, of course is to simply remove them from the One True Society. Truly sad and frightening.

..and they are the SAME people who complained to the FCC about seeing a Nipple for a milli-second…….Violence – GOOD Seeing a Boob – BAD!

What is wrong with these people – who are those people and why have they gotten so wrong?! But there is always Jury nullification!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

HOW u ask…? Easy..the GOP and religious wackjobs ONLY care about a Fetus….once that baby pops out…its YOUR responsibility for being a whore and having a kid your couldn’t afford…..get it? What..? Your kid needs mental help……too bad. What..? Your kid needs food,and medical care…too bad. (thats the GOP mantra….defund,defund,defund…all things that HELP the needy! )

Its NOT pro-abortion – its PRO-CHOICE! I wish some congress woman/women would come up with a Bill that Regulated/ or attempted to regulate men’s Penis’s and Testicles…….and see how you feel.

Not at all surprised. I was once an expert witness for a public defender in a small town and county I’d often visit that happened to take place during a year when the Sheriff and Judge were up for re-election. The one newspaper was spoon fed by the Sheriff’s department from day one. Let’s just say the Sheriff was easily re-elected, as was the Judge, and the next election cycle the public defender easily won the DA spot, essentially for not trying too hard to show that the Sheriff’s dept was inept and incompetent and went so far as to make up evidence. The poor defendant never stood a chance despite soooo many questions about the ‘evidence’ and intent.

It wasn’t poison or a knife – it was a gun. Let’s stick with the reality.

Cases of children killing go back to Biblical times. Usually they do so because they have been abused or witnesses abuse. Pleasure has very little to do with it. But an 11 yr old WILL rejoin society.

nice work Chip , Devil and Mike…Bravo!…excellent discourse…

Ah yes – the PA Kids for Cash episode. Those judges are still sitting fat and happy in their multi million dollar homes “waiting” for justice. They abused hundreds, if not thousands of young kids and probably will never see the inside of a prison. Rich adults always have an edge when it comes to justice, especially in PA where an old boy’s network operated for years to victimize children.

And don’t forget PA is home to the 1989 Cameron Kocher case – a NINE year old who was deemed responsible as an adult in a homicide case. They have no shame and adults have no sense of responsibility when it comes to guns. You’d think after the Kocher case that the commonwealth would have done more to educate parents about safe gun handling and perhaps passed safety laws. Instead, history repeats itself.

“Why would any woman in her right mind move into such a man’s home, and permit herself and her children to be exposed to more potenital abuse, while permitting a small child to have open access to a deadly weapon? ”

(I grabbed this quote from one of your earlier posts)

If the dead woman was in an abusive relationship before, then unless she herself got some help in regards to that abuse and any other abuse that led her into that type of relationship, then I doubt she was ever thinking clearly. To expect the other family members, as you have described them, to have intervened, is a bit of a stretch. They were the problem at one time and for all we know had every reason to believe that since their lives were just as miserable, why change?

However, I do believe that if there were laws with substantial penalties being enforced then perhaps a couple of them might have behaved differently. If you go through life seeing woman and children abused, most likely you won’t know it’s “really” wrong until your arrested. There are laws that require medical professionals and teachers to report their suspicions of abuse against children to the police or face jail time and I bet these laws have saved the lives of many children.

As to whose fault this is… well, obviously we’re all at fault. (yep, melodramatic, but true.)

What should happen to the kid who pulled the trigger? I guess a jury will decide and hopefully they are just as concerned as we are.

“Why would any woman in her right mind move into such a man’s home, and permit herself and her children to be exposed to more potenital abuse, while permitting a small child to have open access to a deadly weapon? ”

(I grabbed this quote from one of your earlier posts)

If the dead woman was in an abusive relationship before, then unless she herself got some help in regards to that abuse and any other abuse that led her into that type of relationship, then I doubt she was ever thinking clearly. To expect the other family members, as you have described them, to have intervened, is a bit of a stretch. They were the problem at one time and for all we know had every reason to believe that since their lives were just as miserable, why change?

However, I do believe that if there were laws with substantial penalties being enforced then perhaps a couple of them might have behaved differently. If you go through life seeing woman and children abused, most likely you won’t know it’s “really” wrong until your arrested. There are laws that require medical professionals and teachers to report their suspicions of abuse against children to the police or face jail time and I bet these laws have saved the lives of many children.

As to whose fault this is… well, obviously we’re all at fault. (yep, melodramatic, but true.)

What should happen to the kid who pulled the trigger? I guess a jury will decide and hopefully they are just as concerned as we are.

You mean things that regulate what I do with my own body, right? Like Having sex with a prostitute, Huge taxes on smoking, attempting to tax certain foods that I want to eat, not to mention what kind of lightbulb I can use, car I can drive, shower head I can use, etc,etc,etc,etc…………

But I guess all of those are ok since they don’t result in a dead baby, right?

You mean things that regulate what I do with my own body, right? Like Having sex with a prostitute, Huge taxes on smoking, attempting to tax certain foods that I want to eat, not to mention what kind of lightbulb I can use, car I can drive, shower head I can use, etc,etc,etc,etc…………

But I guess all of those are ok since they don’t result in a dead baby, right?

well I reckon there are bad apples in every barrel?

well I reckon there are bad apples in every barrel?

Thanks, I would salute them for interacting with me,I am not the easiest interlocutor, but I am certainly very honest. I have nothing to hide and I consider all forms of racism, an intellectual cancer.I am aware of history and I know what Jews have experienced in the past, this is specifically why I cannot tolerate the same bigotry and racial hatred being directed at Arabs and Muslims.As Westerners, we have a lot on our consciences,we persecuted for centuries & almost exterminated the Jews, and now we are engaged in the same process with Arabs and Muslims.This is disgusting.

Thanks, I would salute them for interacting with me,I am not the easiest interlocutor, but I am certainly very honest. I have nothing to hide and I consider all forms of racism, an intellectual cancer.I am aware of history and I know what Jews have experienced in the past, this is specifically why I cannot tolerate the same bigotry and racial hatred being directed at Arabs and Muslims.As Westerners, we have a lot on our consciences,we persecuted for centuries & almost exterminated the Jews, and now we are engaged in the same process with Arabs and Muslims.This is disgusting.

Kinda similar to Jeffrey Dahmer. He was murdering at this age and never felt remorse. If they would have locked him up then, scores would be alive.

Kinda similar to Jeffrey Dahmer. He was murdering at this age and never felt remorse. If they would have locked him up then, scores would be alive.

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An eleven-year-old doesn’t really understand concepts like “life” and “death” too well. I was around his age when a sibling died, and was sent off to stay with relatives because I kept trying to wake the dead person to come play. I understood the dictionary meaning of the word and could parrot it back, and I was certainly already studying biology, and knew what death “meant,” technically. But I couldn’t make the connection between the words in the books and the person I used to play with. I don’t think I really understood that death takes someone away forever until I was much older. Current studies of the human brain, its development, and how it processes information indicate that the human brain is still developing into a person’s early 20s. To try this kid as an adult is untenable, unconscionable. Where is he being held right now?

An eleven-year-old doesn’t really understand concepts like “life” and “death” too well. I was around his age when a sibling died, and was sent off to stay with relatives because I kept trying to wake the dead person to come play. I understood the dictionary meaning of the word and could parrot it back, and I was certainly already studying biology, and knew what death “meant,” technically. But I couldn’t make the connection between the words in the books and the person I used to play with. I don’t think I really understood that death takes someone away forever until I was much older. Current studies of the human brain, its development, and how it processes information indicate that the human brain is still developing into a person’s early 20s. To try this kid as an adult is untenable, unconscionable. Where is he being held right now?

A veritable confederacy of dunces.

A veritable confederacy of dunces.

That was my point. You were saying that you couldn’t believe kids could do this kinda thing wantonly and knowingly.

It’s hard to say. He might have. Young children don’t have a whole lot of self-control, and if you’ve been around kids that age, they can explode into a physical display of frustration if things are not going their way. The only thing one can definitely assert is that it’s a lot harder to kill a person, especially if they’re bigger and stronger than you, with just about anything other than a gun. And because it takes longer, there’s a chance to back down or change the dynamic. With a gun, it’s one squeeze of the trigger, and it’s over. No time to change your mind or take back the action.

I’m no expert in the subject. The fact is that it has been done and more than one time. The case I site was particularly gruesome cause the kids involved (who were very young) went to every extreme to inflict pain on their victim and rejoiced every minute of it. They really were little monsters that needed to be destroyed.

Other than this specific incident, no evidence has been proffered that this child had a psychiatric history showing a tendency to sociopathy. Also, it’s not clear that the kid knew anything about death. He was 11 years old at the time, and probably angry (and definitely jealous) and acted on impulse. To try him as an adult is simply ludicrous.

OMG obviously, he couldnt done it alone, try finding the real cuprits like the gun suppliers..
even God dont hold teenagers underaged accountble (In God u trust) never imagined US justice will go this low!

I grew up in Ohio and still have those ideals from the past the world is getting ulgy!!!

You raise some very interesting points. Clearly you have access to more information about the parties in this case. One point is certainly irrefutable, so I will address it alone. Any adult living in a house where children have access to guns is, and should be held, responsible for any injuries caused by such weapons. I cannot understand adults letting children have unrestricted access to such dangerous weapons, given that children are, by definition, immature with an unclear understanding of facts, and impulsive.

Sending a child to an adult prison, or any prison, during its developing years is needlessly cruel. If you’ve ever worked with prisoners, you know that within a relatively short time they become habituated to the very structure of prison life, and soon find it difficult to cope outside. For a child this age to be locked up in prison will ensure that he never develops the coping skills and mechanisms the rest of us use to deal with life.

I don’t think the kid knew what he was doing. Children often act on impulse. They lack the capacity for rational thought, consequences, long-term after-effects, and the like. Those issues don’t exist in the mind of an eleven-year-old boy (or girl). Today’s eleven-year-old is certainly not the eleven-year-old of 1911, but there’s plenty of science to show that the brain does not even have the capacity to understand certain things until it reaches a certain stage of development, usually posited to be in the early 20s.

Certainly, the unfettered access to guns that this child experienced his entire life cannot possibly be good, simply because a gun is so easy to operate (even a child can do it!), and because children don’t have impulse control, he used it to remove from his life someone who annoyed and upset him. Still, he’s a child, not an adult, and should be tried and punished for his actions, but not as an adult.

Indeed. Check out the TV sitcoms and films that best illustrate your popular culture. Most of them glorify cops, spies, military personnel, killing and shooting people. Did you know that in some countries, TV sitcoms are about people who work together in an office? Or families who are dealing with the issues of modern life, such as tattoos, pregnancy out of wedlock, marriage outside one’s own religion, class, or ethnic group, alienation from one’s family? It’s not all always about shooting and killing people. Quelle surprise.

It doesn’t surprise me that nothing has been done. They’re part of the status quo, nothing will happen to them. I wasn’t familiar with that case but remember well that they were guilty of that whole thing with Wal Mart employing illegal aliens in their cleaning crew. Phoney a shake down as that may have been. You also have to your dismay the case of the poor Mexican guy who was stumped to death by the Neo Nazis who were then, subsequently, found not guilty (I think?). Shame all around.

You also had some politicians that were “busted” for using slave labor from the prisons. Georgia is exempted from that, though, because it’s the big corporations such as BofA using them. The corporate personhood is exempt from laws that apply to human persons.

You’re preaching to the choir, dude. I ain’t Amerikan and I don’t like the lot.

If you wanna see something disturbing which validates the point both you and I are trying to make, take a look at this and take it in the spirit we’re discussing:

Remnants of Kansas’ violent origin beckon visitors

http://tinyurl.com/5wja78v

ONLY IN AMERICA.
Why don’t we just cut off his hands and Poke holes in his eyes AND most important keep him from getting fat.

Some of your points are irrefutable, but I take exception to your last statement. As the law stands in the US and the UK, at common law children under the age of seven are considered incapable of forming the intent required for a crime. (As you probably already know, if there is no intent, there is no crime, although intent can be imputed from reckless acts and extreme negligence, under the theory of foreseeable consequences. However, since children that young also lack the capacity to foresee and understand possible consequences, intent cannot be implied as a result of their acts, either.) Between the ages of seven and fourteen years, there is a rebuttable presumption that a child is incapable of forming the intent required for a crime. This means that the law assumes that the child does not have the intent required, but the prosecution is required to prove such intent if it actually exists; and a pattern of acts, if they show a certain tendency, can be used to imply such intent. For example, if a child has a known tendency to be violent, or cruel to smaller children and animals, intent might be imputed.

This stance is necessary if society is to avoid being victimized by the incipient psychopaths among us. They usually betray their tendencies fairly early, and reading about their crimes is pretty chilling. Such children are capable of forming the intent required for a finding of murder. However, they are still children and whatever we do to secure our safety as a society, we must still do what we can to treat them humanely and by somewhat different standards than adults.

He killed TWO people.

Take responsibility for your actions and face the music.

Frankly, this kid deserves what he gets and more!

I tend to agree with you about most things, because you’re a reasonable human being with an impressive capacity for rational thought and communication. However, I’m going to disagree on this issue. Remember that children are raised in the fantasy world of comix and cartoons, where the hero survives explosions and 100-foot falls with minimal damage to his hairstyle. Kids that age – especially if there is a tendency to domestic violence, as some are alleging, in their family – are perfectly capable of picking up a knife or a gun and saying “I’ll kill you.” Whether they actually understand what “kill” means is an entirely different story. Talk to refugee children who have witnessed murders and brutalities that you would find unthinkable. It’s very instructive in terms of the plasticity of the human spirit and the incredible resilience of children.

It’s a sign of the times, my friend, and it will only get uglier.

“Let’s stop feeling sorry for stupid adults who arm their children and expose them to domestic violence.”
Who said anyone felt sorry for the person that allowed the kid to have access to the gun? That’s definitely an offense the parent should have to pay dearly for.

“as for the families of the dead adults – you sure seem to care now, but where were you when you heard the kid had a gun under his bed – why didn’t you report it to social services and plead with your relative to take safety precuations? ”
Who exactly are you talking to?

Regardless of the parent’s culpability in allowing access to the gun, the kid is still a murderer.

What do you propose?

I was a child too (once) and have a couple of critters of own both of whom have very different temperaments and react differently so I appreciate what you’re saying. However, I think that the bottom line is that if the gun hadn’t been in the house, it would have never happen. Unfortunately, there are plenty of cases of children accidentally killing other children just because they had that ready access to a gun. To me, the gun is the culprit. But that’s one person’s opinion and one who doesn’t like guns because they tempt people.

I wish he could’ve done that to my ex wife!

Sorry, an 11 year old (6th grade, usually) knows what death means.

I’m very familiar with the corrupt, “fick dich” attitude of Pennsylvania justice. Don’t ever give these vampires an opportunity to synthesize a reason to bite you. Montgomery County , PA, tortures people like the feds torture Manning for unmasking their nefarious scheming. Why don’t their prosecuters clean their own house?

Let’s be honest, The chances of him being able to kill this woman and her fetus would have been near nil if he tried using poison. And there is a greater chance she would have survived if he had used a knife A gun can kill instantly from a distance. Neither poison nor a knife can.

Good idea – blame the victim.

Has anyone considered that the kids step mom might have been a bitch???

I’m sure that the PA SchutsStafel would be delighted to hire you. Maybe, you would get to torture an 11-year-old kid. Oh, joy!

What the kid did was really messed up. But he’s still a child. Many people make serious mistakes when they’re growing up, stuff that haunts them the rest of their lives.. but the thing about being a child is that …you’re not immediately aware of the ramifications of your actions beforehand and that presumably you learn from them.
Sentencing a child to a lifetime without parole is unbelievably and ridiculously harsh. Yeah, murdering a pregnant woman is major, but he’ll have a lifetime to learn to carry that load… once it sinks in and he understands what he’s done.
For the rest, fuck this descent into a Dickensian society.

Didn’t you just say you were dumb?

You expect jury nullification from the ignoranti who vote Republican?

Consider that a bit of irony. In a former life, I was a grad student in Russian and East European studies, and I speak 5 languages – none of them closely related except for English and German).

I think you did not understand the point.

Are you an eleven year old boy? We don’t know his emotional age or what kind of an up bringing he had or what kind of emotional trauma he had. Was he a late bloomer? There are so many things that go into creating a kids mind and emotional state. One 11yr old maybe far more mature than the next.

Someone has even documented that the CIA has been drug dealing. And also something about Banks that launder drug money…
So your remarks are really on target!
The poor and the rich are now symbiotic.
You can’t ask the banker or the CIA woman to stand on the street corner tending to customers. LOL They just work the cycle of povery for riches!

Nobody likes a troll. So stop being one.

Also, please don’t compare me to a member of the SS. They killed most of my family and it’s a rather sore point. That’s completely offensive and hurtful. I don’t care what other name you want to use, just not a Nazi.

I never said he should be tortured. But he should be given a slap on the wrist either, he’s a bad child and needs to be punished.

Examples of kids like this are throughout history. Jesse Pomeroy and Mary Bell are good examples of this.

Fewer people with fewer guns will solve the problem, right?

How did this kid get the gun? Who owns the gun? The kid is 11. What did you know about the world or life at age 11? Unfortunately he has to live with this pain the rest of his life and needs counseling for him to deal with it. Imprisoning him will do nothing but make his life miserable and perhaps become suicidal.

Let’s put Daddy and the fiance’s mother in another one.

Have their parents been released from the mental hospital yet?

What do expect from rotten barrels?

What do expect from rotten barrels?

What do expect from rotten barrels?

Is this from observation of your success in instructing your own kids?

Is this from observation of your success in instructing your own kids?

Is this from observation of your success in instructing your own kids?

The poor fellow was too dumb to say he was having SEX with the woman and that the “gun trick” was just her turn on. But that time an accident happened. Too bad he was so dumb he did not say he was not there at the time of the murder because he was outside in a tree masterbating and looking in as he watched her prepare for bed. Because in each case there is a man that did get off on charges with these “lines”.

The poor fellow was too dumb to say he was having SEX with the woman and that the “gun trick” was just her turn on. But that time an accident happened. Too bad he was so dumb he did not say he was not there at the time of the murder because he was outside in a tree masterbating and looking in as he watched her prepare for bed. Because in each case there is a man that did get off on charges with these “lines”.

The poor fellow was too dumb to say he was having SEX with the woman and that the “gun trick” was just her turn on. But that time an accident happened. Too bad he was so dumb he did not say he was not there at the time of the murder because he was outside in a tree masterbating and looking in as he watched her prepare for bed. Because in each case there is a man that did get off on charges with these “lines”.

For pity’s sake, get some education. It always was ugly. Ask any Native American.

For pity’s sake, get some education. It always was ugly. Ask any Native American.

For pity’s sake, get some education. It always was ugly. Ask any Native American.

Maybe he can get lessons from Dick Cheney on how to handle guns. With such an instructor he’ll be well-prepared to graduate and to tactical nuclear warheads.

Maybe he can get lessons from Dick Cheney on how to handle guns. With such an instructor he’ll be well-prepared to graduate and to tactical nuclear warheads.

Maybe he can get lessons from Dick Cheney on how to handle guns. With such an instructor he’ll be well-prepared to graduate and to tactical nuclear warheads.

However wrong the act of killing, the law should not be primarily for vengeance, especially against a child. In every aspect of society, an eleven year old is regarded as a child. He cannot buy a gun (someone else in his family did that and left it in his reach). Don’t tell me that he might have killed with a knife – everyone knows it requires more skill to do that, and also it might leave the victim with the possibility to fight back. He cannot drive. He cannot buy liquor. He must attend school. It is well-known that he is immature. It is believed that a male is sexually immature at that age. Males are usually two years behind girls in developmental milestones when both are eleven.

So why confine him to prison for life, unless you are totally clueless about human development? This is medieval thinking, and really showing how the US is dumbing down to frighteningly unscientific thinking, which caters to the mob.

However wrong the act of killing, the law should not be primarily for vengeance, especially against a child. In every aspect of society, an eleven year old is regarded as a child. He cannot buy a gun (someone else in his family did that and left it in his reach). Don’t tell me that he might have killed with a knife – everyone knows it requires more skill to do that, and also it might leave the victim with the possibility to fight back. He cannot drive. He cannot buy liquor. He must attend school. It is well-known that he is immature. It is believed that a male is sexually immature at that age. Males are usually two years behind girls in developmental milestones when both are eleven.

So why confine him to prison for life, unless you are totally clueless about human development? This is medieval thinking, and really showing how the US is dumbing down to frighteningly unscientific thinking, which caters to the mob.

However wrong the act of killing, the law should not be primarily for vengeance, especially against a child. In every aspect of society, an eleven year old is regarded as a child. He cannot buy a gun (someone else in his family did that and left it in his reach). Don’t tell me that he might have killed with a knife – everyone knows it requires more skill to do that, and also it might leave the victim with the possibility to fight back. He cannot drive. He cannot buy liquor. He must attend school. It is well-known that he is immature. It is believed that a male is sexually immature at that age. Males are usually two years behind girls in developmental milestones when both are eleven.

So why confine him to prison for life, unless you are totally clueless about human development? This is medieval thinking, and really showing how the US is dumbing down to frighteningly unscientific thinking, which caters to the mob.

Yes, Bush, Cheney, et al.
All Republicans should be in REHAB.

Yes, Bush, Cheney, et al.
All Republicans should be in REHAB.

Yes, Bush, Cheney, et al.
All Republicans should be in REHAB.

While the monster makers go free?

While the monster makers go free?

While the monster makers go free?

disgrace. who else does this? maybe somalia. the judge should go to prison without chance of parole for life. hope this boy leads the revolution and finds the prosecutor and judge at home… alone… revenge: a dish best not served… but can be necessary and sweet.

disgrace. who else does this? maybe somalia. the judge should go to prison without chance of parole for life. hope this boy leads the revolution and finds the prosecutor and judge at home… alone… revenge: a dish best not served… but can be necessary and sweet.

disgrace. who else does this? maybe somalia. the judge should go to prison without chance of parole for life. hope this boy leads the revolution and finds the prosecutor and judge at home… alone… revenge: a dish best not served… but can be necessary and sweet.

I understand that’s a super, duper problem in Afghanistan nad Iraq. It’s very common when you have vicious little kids masquerading as adults, like George Bush and Dick Cheney.

I understand that’s a super, duper problem in Afghanistan nad Iraq. It’s very common when you have vicious little kids masquerading as adults, like George Bush and Dick Cheney.

I understand that’s a super, duper problem in Afghanistan nad Iraq. It’s very common when you have vicious little kids masquerading as adults, like George Bush and Dick Cheney.

“And more”? What would that be? You seem to be using this to grandstand about fetal rights. Which makes sense, since you don’t seem to get it that children also need care. No the fetus takes the primary position.

“And more”? What would that be? You seem to be using this to grandstand about fetal rights. Which makes sense, since you don’t seem to get it that children also need care. No the fetus takes the primary position.

“And more”? What would that be? You seem to be using this to grandstand about fetal rights. Which makes sense, since you don’t seem to get it that children also need care. No the fetus takes the primary position.

I had an evil step-mother once; its the reason I left the house before I was out of high school

I had an evil step-mother once; its the reason I left the house before I was out of high school

I had an evil step-mother once; its the reason I left the house before I was out of high school

Who vote vampire and complain when they get bitten and form Tea Parties.

Who vote vampire and complain when they get bitten and form Tea Parties.

Who vote vampire and complain when they get bitten and form Tea Parties.

Slap on the wrist? Nonsense. And don’t hide behind some vaunted survivor status to take a draconian position towards a child. The ghost of my mother-in-law will visit you in the night and tell you the straight dope about Nazi atrocities. She was no bleeding heart but torture such as is acceptable today would have made her vomit.

Slap on the wrist? Nonsense. And don’t hide behind some vaunted survivor status to take a draconian position towards a child. The ghost of my mother-in-law will visit you in the night and tell you the straight dope about Nazi atrocities. She was no bleeding heart but torture such as is acceptable today would have made her vomit.

Slap on the wrist? Nonsense. And don’t hide behind some vaunted survivor status to take a draconian position towards a child. The ghost of my mother-in-law will visit you in the night and tell you the straight dope about Nazi atrocities. She was no bleeding heart but torture such as is acceptable today would have made her vomit.

How big was this kid? It’s much easier to frustrate a little kid with a knife than one with a gun.

How big was this kid? It’s much easier to frustrate a little kid with a knife than one with a gun.

How big was this kid? It’s much easier to frustrate a little kid with a knife than one with a gun.

He should get the death penalty, why should I pay taxes so some murderer can get free food, shelter and healthcare forever? Life in prison is an injustice to the taxpayer.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

He should get the death penalty, why should I pay taxes so some murderer can get free food, shelter and healthcare forever? Life in prison is an injustice to the taxpayer.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

He should get the death penalty, why should I pay taxes so some murderer can get free food, shelter and healthcare forever? Life in prison is an injustice to the taxpayer.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

“That leads to only two conclusions: either kids in the US are far more violent than in the rest of the world, or the US has developed uniquely harsh sentences.” It’s probably some of both and they are causally related. Harsh sentences, including the death sentence, lead to an accepted general opinion that violence is an reasonable response to any number of problems. If our society condones taking a life, even when an offender is in a prison and cannot repeat his crime, that kind of thinking permeates society at every level and kids get socialized with that position.

“That leads to only two conclusions: either kids in the US are far more violent than in the rest of the world, or the US has developed uniquely harsh sentences.” It’s probably some of both and they are causally related. Harsh sentences, including the death sentence, lead to an accepted general opinion that violence is an reasonable response to any number of problems. If our society condones taking a life, even when an offender is in a prison and cannot repeat his crime, that kind of thinking permeates society at every level and kids get socialized with that position.

“That leads to only two conclusions: either kids in the US are far more violent than in the rest of the world, or the US has developed uniquely harsh sentences.” It’s probably some of both and they are causally related. Harsh sentences, including the death sentence, lead to an accepted general opinion that violence is an reasonable response to any number of problems. If our society condones taking a life, even when an offender is in a prison and cannot repeat his crime, that kind of thinking permeates society at every level and kids get socialized with that position.

Something like that smug, female-abusing burger of a quarterback who will be playing in the Superbowl.

Something like that smug, female-abusing burger of a quarterback who will be playing in the Superbowl.

Something like that smug, female-abusing burger of a quarterback who will be playing in the Superbowl.

I guess you don’t have kids that you love.

I guess you don’t have kids that you love.

I guess you don’t have kids that you love.

So he says he’s innocent and that means he deserves a harsher penalty???? How incredibly back asswards! This has nothing to do with him being tried as an adult. What matters is the judges reasoning for trying him. I think that is what should be discussed.

So he says he’s innocent and that means he deserves a harsher penalty???? How incredibly back asswards! This has nothing to do with him being tried as an adult. What matters is the judges reasoning for trying him. I think that is what should be discussed.

So he says he’s innocent and that means he deserves a harsher penalty???? How incredibly back asswards! This has nothing to do with him being tried as an adult. What matters is the judges reasoning for trying him. I think that is what should be discussed.

So we should kill people so we don’t have to pay for them to live? Not much of an argument. Guess we should kill everyone on welfare, SSD, and food stamps, too?

So we should kill people so we don’t have to pay for them to live? Not much of an argument. Guess we should kill everyone on welfare, SSD, and food stamps, too?

So we should kill people so we don’t have to pay for them to live? Not much of an argument. Guess we should kill everyone on welfare, SSD, and food stamps, too?

I think your comment was bit asshole-ish. Should I be allowed to kill you now? ::rolls eyes::

I think your comment was bit asshole-ish. Should I be allowed to kill you now? ::rolls eyes::

I think your comment was bit asshole-ish. Should I be allowed to kill you now? ::rolls eyes::

yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially considering it actually costs more money on average to put someone to death than it does to imprison them for life.

yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially considering it actually costs more money on average to put someone to death than it does to imprison them for life.

yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially considering it actually costs more money on average to put someone to death than it does to imprison them for life.

Then stop feeding the trolls if you want them to go away.

Then stop feeding the trolls if you want them to go away.

Then stop feeding the trolls if you want them to go away.

Understanding what death means and what it means to take a life are two different things.

Understanding what death means and what it means to take a life are two different things.

You’ve just demonstrated that we can’t ban idiocy either.

Operated by the wrong person idiocy can be quite fatal. Just look at George Bush and Dick Cheney, who have introduce tens of thousand of Muslims to Allah and made us huge crowds of fanatic, vengeful enemies.

You’ve just demonstrated that we can’t ban idiocy either.

Operated by the wrong person idiocy can be quite fatal. Just look at George Bush and Dick Cheney, who have introduce tens of thousand of Muslims to Allah and made us huge crowds of fanatic, vengeful enemies.

Meanwhile, our adult war criminals remain free.

Meanwhile, our adult war criminals remain free.

Only in America…smh…

Only in America…smh…

The victim was an adult with adult responsibilities. You don’t agree?

The victim was an adult with adult responsibilities. You don’t agree?

The victim was an adult with adult responsibilities. You don’t agree?

I can think of some warmongers who have killed many thousands by proxy on whm I would like you to do judgement.

I can think of some warmongers who have killed many thousands by proxy on whm I would like you to do judgement.

I can think of some warmongers who have killed many thousands by proxy on whm I would like you to do judgement.

I couldn’t agree more.

I couldn’t agree more.

I couldn’t agree more.

Draconian? Are you serious? This kid killed someone in cold blood, not stole a pack of gum or loaf of bread. I think the punishment should fit the crime, regardless of age.

I’m not talking about torture at all! Why is this assumed? I’m a realist, not a monster!

I commented on holocaust because I was called an SS and found it offensive. That has NOTHING to do with my standpoint at all!

Draconian? Are you serious? This kid killed someone in cold blood, not stole a pack of gum or loaf of bread. I think the punishment should fit the crime, regardless of age.

I’m not talking about torture at all! Why is this assumed? I’m a realist, not a monster!

I commented on holocaust because I was called an SS and found it offensive. That has NOTHING to do with my standpoint at all!

Draconian? Are you serious? This kid killed someone in cold blood, not stole a pack of gum or loaf of bread. I think the punishment should fit the crime, regardless of age.

I’m not talking about torture at all! Why is this assumed? I’m a realist, not a monster!

I commented on holocaust because I was called an SS and found it offensive. That has NOTHING to do with my standpoint at all!

We wouldn’t have this problem if parents were actually able to adequately discipline their children! Have you been to Walmart lately? Kids run everywhere unsupervised, out of control, doing and saying things that would make a dead man blush. We have taken away parental control over children piece by piece. We have also adopted a policy of coddling kids to the point they cannot be independent when older. I have heard kids as young as five talking about sex where I live. If I would have done that, I would have been grounded forever or I would have been picking switches from the tree all day. Did anyone look into the reasoning behind this? What family conditions would lead an 11 year old kid to pick up a gun and murder someone? Kids at 11 lack the reasoning skills of adults so these questions need to be answered. Maybe the problem is not the kid, but the family conditions which, unfortunately, are so often the case with kids committing crimes. Maybe this child was not taught proper coping skills, self-discipline, or maybe he was abused severely. Who knows? Yes, parents, it is your job to teach coping skills to your kids just like it is your job to discipline them for bad behavior and make sure they succeed in school. It’s called parenting.

I never believe that a child should be imprisoned for life. I don’t think that any child is unsalvagable as PA seems to believe. He definitely deserves to be punished for his actions, that’s for sure, but to lock him up for life? I don’t think so.

We wouldn’t have this problem if parents were actually able to adequately discipline their children! Have you been to Walmart lately? Kids run everywhere unsupervised, out of control, doing and saying things that would make a dead man blush. We have taken away parental control over children piece by piece. We have also adopted a policy of coddling kids to the point they cannot be independent when older. I have heard kids as young as five talking about sex where I live. If I would have done that, I would have been grounded forever or I would have been picking switches from the tree all day. Did anyone look into the reasoning behind this? What family conditions would lead an 11 year old kid to pick up a gun and murder someone? Kids at 11 lack the reasoning skills of adults so these questions need to be answered. Maybe the problem is not the kid, but the family conditions which, unfortunately, are so often the case with kids committing crimes. Maybe this child was not taught proper coping skills, self-discipline, or maybe he was abused severely. Who knows? Yes, parents, it is your job to teach coping skills to your kids just like it is your job to discipline them for bad behavior and make sure they succeed in school. It’s called parenting.

I never believe that a child should be imprisoned for life. I don’t think that any child is unsalvagable as PA seems to believe. He definitely deserves to be punished for his actions, that’s for sure, but to lock him up for life? I don’t think so.

We wouldn’t have this problem if parents were actually able to adequately discipline their children! Have you been to Walmart lately? Kids run everywhere unsupervised, out of control, doing and saying things that would make a dead man blush. We have taken away parental control over children piece by piece. We have also adopted a policy of coddling kids to the point they cannot be independent when older. I have heard kids as young as five talking about sex where I live. If I would have done that, I would have been grounded forever or I would have been picking switches from the tree all day. Did anyone look into the reasoning behind this? What family conditions would lead an 11 year old kid to pick up a gun and murder someone? Kids at 11 lack the reasoning skills of adults so these questions need to be answered. Maybe the problem is not the kid, but the family conditions which, unfortunately, are so often the case with kids committing crimes. Maybe this child was not taught proper coping skills, self-discipline, or maybe he was abused severely. Who knows? Yes, parents, it is your job to teach coping skills to your kids just like it is your job to discipline them for bad behavior and make sure they succeed in school. It’s called parenting.

I never believe that a child should be imprisoned for life. I don’t think that any child is unsalvagable as PA seems to believe. He definitely deserves to be punished for his actions, that’s for sure, but to lock him up for life? I don’t think so.

Ahem.

By more I mean being away from his family, friends and the rest of society. I do not advocate torture in the least.

I’m sorry if this is what came accross.

Ahem.

By more I mean being away from his family, friends and the rest of society. I do not advocate torture in the least.

I’m sorry if this is what came accross.

Ahem.

By more I mean being away from his family, friends and the rest of society. I do not advocate torture in the least.

I’m sorry if this is what came accross.

Didn’t see any mention of the motive for the killing in this article. Was it ever presented? Is it known?

Sometimes people are just born evil – - Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffery Dahmer immediately come to mind – - and need to be removed from society for our protection. Maybe this little guy fits into that group.

Didn’t see any mention of the motive for the killing in this article. Was it ever presented? Is it known?

Sometimes people are just born evil – - Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffery Dahmer immediately come to mind – - and need to be removed from society for our protection. Maybe this little guy fits into that group.

Didn’t see any mention of the motive for the killing in this article. Was it ever presented? Is it known?

Sometimes people are just born evil – - Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffery Dahmer immediately come to mind – - and need to be removed from society for our protection. Maybe this little guy fits into that group.

For a (sadly) hilarious look at taking this to extremes, check out The Onion story on the girl whose crime was so horrible she wouldn’t be tried just as an adult, but as an adult black man.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/judge-rules-white-girl-will-be-tried-as-black-adul,18896/

For a (sadly) hilarious look at taking this to extremes, check out The Onion story on the girl whose crime was so horrible she wouldn’t be tried just as an adult, but as an adult black man.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/judge-rules-white-girl-will-be-tried-as-black-adul,18896/

For a (sadly) hilarious look at taking this to extremes, check out The Onion story on the girl whose crime was so horrible she wouldn’t be tried just as an adult, but as an adult black man.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/judge-rules-white-girl-will-be-tried-as-black-adul,18896/

Lemme guess, you’re my stalker for the day? Lucky me!

Lemme guess, you’re my stalker for the day? Lucky me!

Lemme guess, you’re my stalker for the day? Lucky me!

This is your 4th stupid direct comment to me in about 5 minutes. This qualifies as stalking by the rules of the forum. You’re flagged for stalking!

Troll much?

Seriously? For real?
Evil people are made by other evil people in the vast majority of cases. It is what evil does-it metastasizes like cancer. Like fear. Like American Conservatism. Like the Catholic Church and its massive pedophile protection system victimizing children around the world with support from the very top.
This kid was too young to make some deep moral judgment. He isn’t Damien from the Omen movies. He’s a little kid who needs help.

Excuse me but I believe you’re suffering from a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth.

Can you think or does everything you say comes directly out of your ass?

Fewer idiots with closed mouths would certainly improve things

You seem to be the only monster here. Can you back under the bed now?

how interesting that you know, without a doubt, that those you cited were “born evil”.
a very brief reading of any of their childhoods would show you that they were far from ideal.
all of them had documented, or claims of abuse of various sorts in their childhoods.
perhaps they were born teetering on the edge, but honestly, who really can say what would cause a person to become evil in such a manner?

Who gives a rat’s ass?

You’re right. And I don’t think anyone could have put it more succinctly. It’s amazing that there are so many throwbacks here that try to justify what they want to perpetuate.

Funny how that works, isn’t it?

It was abortion and gay marriage that did it. And Socialism.

I still don’t know what it means to take a life (although I have seen more fatalities than anyone should). Nevertheless, I understood WELL before I turned 11 that you don’t take a life. You set the bar pretty damn low for children.

Most adult victims have adult responsibilities. Therefore, they should be blamed. Especially if they sleep.

Your assumption that this kid killed someone in cold blood is exactly that, an assumption. Also, this shouldn’t even be about whether or not the kid should die. What this should be about is the fact that the judge decided he should be tried as an adult because he plead innocent. That is basically saying the child is assumed he is guilty but because he had the audacity to claim innocence, he now deserves a stricter punishment????

Not to mention your “punishment fits the crime” argument is pretty rich. “Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong.” Are you also of the mind that we should rape a rapist to show them raping is wrong? How bout taking every penny from someone because they robbed a store? Should we go and run someone over because they did so while driving drunk? How about we sell drugs to a drug dealer to show then that dealing drugs is wrong? Pretty ridiculous, isn’t it?

You have a point, there, Greg. While we’re on the subject, instead of punishing lawbreakers, let’s just kill them. Parking ticket? Dead. Speeding? Dead. Shoplifting: Dead. Protest March? Ready, Aim, Fire! Frankly, if someone had put a bullet in this kid’s head the first time he mouthed off as a toddler, we wouldn’t have the unnecessary expense of a trial, jury, psychiatric evaluations, etc. not to mention the high cost of incarceration. In fact, why should we even have a justice system, at all when we could just kill anyone who gets out of line?

Wait a sec. Did you use the Internet that all us tax-and-spenders paid to develop to post that note? Do you, by any chance, have kids? Are you expecting me to use one of my public schools to educate them? And by the way, did I see you driving a car on one of my roads today? Was that one of my policemen you called that time you through your home was being broken into? Yeah, I thought so. Freeloader.

You have a point, there, Greg. While we’re on the subject, instead of punishing lawbreakers, let’s just kill them. Parking ticket? Dead. Speeding? Dead. Shoplifting: Dead. Protest March? Ready, Aim, Fire! Frankly, if someone had put a bullet in this kid’s head the first time he mouthed off as a toddler, we wouldn’t have the unnecessary expense of a trial, jury, psychiatric evaluations, etc. not to mention the high cost of incarceration. In fact, why should we even have a justice system, at all when we could just kill anyone who gets out of line?

Wait a sec. Did you use the Internet that all us tax-and-spenders paid to develop to post that note? Do you, by any chance, have kids? Are you expecting me to use one of my public schools to educate them? And by the way, did I see you driving a car on one of my roads today? Was that one of my policemen you called that time you through your home was being broken into? Yeah, I thought so. Freeloader.

Uh, Sarah, the whole point is that children aren’t sufficiently mature to be held responsible for their actions – that’s why they don’t have the same rights, privileges and responsibilities as adults.

Uh, Sarah, the whole point is that children aren’t sufficiently mature to be held responsible for their actions – that’s why they don’t have the same rights, privileges and responsibilities as adults.

They have an idea of what it means. They haven’t internalized the entirety of what death really is: the cessation of existence forever. It’s a lot to understand, and it takes a long time for adults to come to terms with death when it strikes someone near to them, so why would you assume this kid really gets it?

They have an idea of what it means. They haven’t internalized the entirety of what death really is: the cessation of existence forever. It’s a lot to understand, and it takes a long time for adults to come to terms with death when it strikes someone near to them, so why would you assume this kid really gets it?

The correct question is why weren’t the stepmother and the fetus armed?

The correct question is why weren’t the stepmother and the fetus armed?

I think it’s time Americans looked themselves in the mirror and realized what a nasty pack of halfwits we are.

I think it’s time Americans looked themselves in the mirror and realized what a nasty pack of halfwits we are.

Dahmer had a fairly normal childhood, actually. And the Virginia Tech shooter was BORN psychotic (his family said he was mute by choice from birth and they had “tried everything”, but nothing worked). So no, you are wrong.

Really. These days, it seems, like it’s unAmerikan and unpatriotic not to carry

Erm…

I meant Prison time. Not death penalty. To me, murder equals life in prison.

Funny you should mention “assumption”…You are assuming that I want this kid dead, just cause I said he should be punsihed. could you stop demonizing me and putting words in my mouth?

Erm…

I meant Prison time. Not death penalty. To me, murder equals life in prison.

Funny you should mention “assumption”…You are assuming that I want this kid dead, just cause I said he should be punsihed. could you stop demonizing me and putting words in my mouth?

You wouldn’t happen to support abortion would you? Maybe this boy should have been aborted so your pennies would not be taken. What a MORON. IFyoure so worried about wasteful tax dollars, complain about the corporate tax dodgers.

You wouldn’t happen to support abortion would you? Maybe this boy should have been aborted so your pennies would not be taken. What a MORON. IFyoure so worried about wasteful tax dollars, complain about the corporate tax dodgers.

I guess I should associate more with kids that have fried brains and not the intelligent ones I know.

Whoa, you are way out of line here. The VT shooter had Selective Mutism, which is a fairly common thing — I’ve got family members who have it — and it sure as hell doesn’t make you “psychotic”. Get your facts straight.

Looks like all our old laws, including our Constitution, are obsolete now. Now judges and politicians and corporations can just make up whatever new laws they want.

There is a reason that juveniles have always been treated differently than adults.

This judge was out of line, way out of line, and someone needs to deal with him, and this case, and get this kid some fair treatment.

Maybe the kid is so messed up he’ll be a danger for the rest of his life, and actually needs to be locked up, but this judge doesn’t sound like he’s the guy to determine that. I mean, the kid has every right to plead innocent. That’s a basic human right in this country.

But human rights are no more in the USA it seems.

Thank you. I already knew you weren’t dumb from reading some of your subsequent comments. Five languages, eh? I would have be satisfied with two.

You call me a troll?

You want to punish the kid? Who are you to judge a child bad without any awareness of what is happening?

I’m totally unimpressed by your prejudice against Shutzstafel. You would prefer Okrana? Savak? FBI?

That is a good question too.
How good is the sex education in the US?

We live in a society saturated with sex in the media and in advertising.
If a girl ‘puts out’, she is a slut. If she doesn’t, she is an uptight bitch.
Perhaps if America were to deal with it’s immature attitude towards sex,
less young women would find themselves in a ‘bad situation’.

Good point.
Men have two brains and only enough blood to supply one at a time.

Stop whining, little boy. Don’t say nasty, stupid thing, if you don’t want to be mocked.

Damn kids and their gay marriage and socialized abortions. Bah-humbug.

I’m suffering from diarrhea of the mouth? You started it! Shame! Don’t advocate abuse of others if you can’t take it yourself.

Yes. I caught one, you!

Still hungry, eh?

There you go! Happy shutting up! Make the world a better place!

this kid should be put away for life and needs to be taught about in social studies classes in elementary school to set an example. this kind of thing happens too much and just because hes young doesnt excuse him. although, his dad should be facing a sentence too for having a firearm anywhere a kid could get ahold of it

Oh sweetie! That sounds like a mating call!

What? You have a rat’s ass to provide us? Of course you do! That’s already obvious.

What part of “murderer” do his defenders not understand? He knew what he was doing. He knew it was wrong. He knew he could be punished…and he should be.

You don’t sleep much, do you? And in multiple languages!

“Harsh sentences, including the death sentence, lead to an accepted general opinion that violence is an reasonable response to any number of problems.”

I have a problem with your sentence above. You know that harsh (punishment) sentences lead to an acceptance of violence…how? You have data to verify this? Sorry, but I doubt you do.

Ya, nothing says Easter like a rifle!

Most states prevent this from happening…not all but a majority!

If convicted, this kid should face the “punishment” given. I don’t get the “poor kid” excuse given by those who see him as a kid. The poor kid will never have to work for his food or housing. If convicted, and from what I have heard previously it’s a damning case against him.

Should a 6 year old murderer face life without parole?

Maybe she was a waste of oxygen, you never know…

;)

Yes. American children are far too coddled. If my seven year old were to intentionally kill someone, I would expect nothing less than death at age 21.

hahaha “mutism”

I’ll agree it’s possible that the kid is a psychoppath and “born evil.” I’ll agree it’s also possible that the woman killed was a psychopath and that it’s possible that the kid did the world a favor and should get a Congressional Medal and an ice cream cake.

I have no idea, because there’s hardly any information in this article. Seems like the jury should be deciding the sentencing based on the specifics of the case, not some pervert in a black robe who gets off on judging others.

The “murder is murder” people make me sick though, I bet they have little yellow ribbons on their cars and want ticker tape parades for murderers who only do it abroad in a special uniform.

Or perhaps the kid was jealous of his unborn half sibling. You never know.

Well, that’s because you shop at WalMart, and Walmart pays such low wages that the people who work there (or places like them) have no time to spend with their children, because their wages are too low.

Well, that’s because you shop at WalMart, and Walmart pays such low wages that the people who work there (or places like them) have no time to spend with their children, because their wages are too low.

wah wah wah. he knew right from wrong and knew what he was doing. i feel no sympathy. and the passage about other countries not having life without parole for kids; thats because if this was any other country they would probably just kill him.
premeditated murder this young? yea, they can’t be rehabilitated

wah wah wah. he knew right from wrong and knew what he was doing. i feel no sympathy. and the passage about other countries not having life without parole for kids; thats because if this was any other country they would probably just kill him.
premeditated murder this young? yea, they can’t be rehabilitated

are you kidding?? so an eleven year old doesnt know that a bullet in the heart KILLS someone?? so they believe the roadrunner can come back to life after falling off the cliff?

are you kidding?? so an eleven year old doesnt know that a bullet in the heart KILLS someone?? so they believe the roadrunner can come back to life after falling off the cliff?

Absolutely Fireman. Stick to your own kind and stay the hell away from me.

Absolutely Fireman. Stick to your own kind and stay the hell away from me.

So, you spent a lot of time hanging out with kids from a hundred years ago?

So, you spent a lot of time hanging out with kids from a hundred years ago?

You just made two excuses for him, lady.

You just made two excuses for him, lady.

You know this first-hand?

You know this first-hand?

I have read about their backgrounds that’s why I listed them.

I have read about their backgrounds that’s why I listed them.

How the hell do you know? Have you examined this kid? Do you know anything about psychology (apparently, you know everything about everything)?

It’s not about taking sides, Lady, it’s about dispensing justice wisely and humanely. The bigger question here is the message sentences like this send about what kind of country we are. Do we care about human safety? Apparently not, since any idiot father of an 11-year-old can procure guns which are stored unlocked under a child’s bed. Do we value our children? Apparently not, since we’d rather give tax cuts to the rich and to corporations than fund our education system properly, and make sure they’re all getting fed, doctored and housed properly. Are our citizens disposable? Apparently, because we think nothing of sending them overseas to be maimed or killed in unnecessary wars to benefit fat-cat defense contractors, and God help anyone who gets out of line, makes a mistake or does something wrong, because once you do, there will be no making things right except through incarceration and forced labor without parole. And if you do finish your sentence, you can forget actually making something of yourself because you will not get a job with a record. And the result of this society? People like you, who are so overwhelmed by the mess they’ve created that they’ve lost all sense of why they should care about anyone or anything outside their own teeny orbit. Oh and the other result? An ever-expanding pool of children who are unthinkably cruel and so poorly-supervised that they can take a loaded rifle from under their bed and shoot their father’s pregnant girlfriend. If you want to know who’s really at fault, take a look in the mirror…

How the hell do you know? Have you examined this kid? Do you know anything about psychology (apparently, you know everything about everything)?

It’s not about taking sides, Lady, it’s about dispensing justice wisely and humanely. The bigger question here is the message sentences like this send about what kind of country we are. Do we care about human safety? Apparently not, since any idiot father of an 11-year-old can procure guns which are stored unlocked under a child’s bed. Do we value our children? Apparently not, since we’d rather give tax cuts to the rich and to corporations than fund our education system properly, and make sure they’re all getting fed, doctored and housed properly. Are our citizens disposable? Apparently, because we think nothing of sending them overseas to be maimed or killed in unnecessary wars to benefit fat-cat defense contractors, and God help anyone who gets out of line, makes a mistake or does something wrong, because once you do, there will be no making things right except through incarceration and forced labor without parole. And if you do finish your sentence, you can forget actually making something of yourself because you will not get a job with a record. And the result of this society? People like you, who are so overwhelmed by the mess they’ve created that they’ve lost all sense of why they should care about anyone or anything outside their own teeny orbit. Oh and the other result? An ever-expanding pool of children who are unthinkably cruel and so poorly-supervised that they can take a loaded rifle from under their bed and shoot their father’s pregnant girlfriend. If you want to know who’s really at fault, take a look in the mirror…

…which is why the ultra-Orthodox were so vehemently opposed to the creation of Israel (and why so many Israeli domestic and social policies are subject to their approval in one form or another). What so few American “supporters” of Israel fail to understand is that to the Palestinians, the influx of European Jews was yet another chapter in the saga of European conquest, exploitation and subjugation – which is exactly how it’s played out.

…which is why the ultra-Orthodox were so vehemently opposed to the creation of Israel (and why so many Israeli domestic and social policies are subject to their approval in one form or another). What so few American “supporters” of Israel fail to understand is that to the Palestinians, the influx of European Jews was yet another chapter in the saga of European conquest, exploitation and subjugation – which is exactly how it’s played out.

…which is why the ultra-Orthodox were so vehemently opposed to the creation of Israel (and why so many Israeli domestic and social policies are subject to their approval in one form or another). What so few American “supporters” of Israel fail to understand is that to the Palestinians, the influx of European Jews was yet another chapter in the saga of European conquest, exploitation and subjugation – which is exactly how it’s played out.

…which is why the ultra-Orthodox were so vehemently opposed to the creation of Israel (and why so many Israeli domestic and social policies are subject to their approval in one form or another). What so few American “supporters” of Israel fail to understand is that to the Palestinians, the influx of European Jews was yet another chapter in the saga of European conquest, exploitation and subjugation – which is exactly how it’s played out.

What a sad, arrogant, pathetic view on life you have. Whether or not you think an 11 year old child should spend his entire life in prison could be debated although I’d question the morals and sanity of anyone who thinks it should be so. But you, Nichole, spew anger and hate toward a child you don’t know and situation you are not part of in a way that I personally find sickening. I wish you well in life but don’t expect much.

What a sad, arrogant, pathetic view on life you have. Whether or not you think an 11 year old child should spend his entire life in prison could be debated although I’d question the morals and sanity of anyone who thinks it should be so. But you, Nichole, spew anger and hate toward a child you don’t know and situation you are not part of in a way that I personally find sickening. I wish you well in life but don’t expect much.

What a sad, arrogant, pathetic view on life you have. Whether or not you think an 11 year old child should spend his entire life in prison could be debated although I’d question the morals and sanity of anyone who thinks it should be so. But you, Nichole, spew anger and hate toward a child you don’t know and situation you are not part of in a way that I personally find sickening. I wish you well in life but don’t expect much.

What a sad, arrogant, pathetic view on life you have. Whether or not you think an 11 year old child should spend his entire life in prison could be debated although I’d question the morals and sanity of anyone who thinks it should be so. But you, Nichole, spew anger and hate toward a child you don’t know and situation you are not part of in a way that I personally find sickening. I wish you well in life but don’t expect much.

I don’t really know. It’s a horrible situation, for the kid, for the deceased, for her surviving children and parents, for his parents. It sounds like one badly messed-up family. Ideally, what should happen is, an investigation into the kid’s home life and mental health should be made. Should he have a genuine mental health problem, he should be confined to a psychiatric institution until he can understand the nature and consequences of his crime and assist in his own trial. He should then serve whatever sentence a jury of his peers decides and the court, in its wisdom, allows. Barring any mental health issue (which I frankly find hard to believe, given the kid’s home life), then he should be tried as a child and sentenced as a child. There has not been any evidence to show that the kid is a sociopath or that violence is habitual with him. Is there hope for him? I hope so. But honestly, I just don’t know.

I don’t really know. It’s a horrible situation, for the kid, for the deceased, for her surviving children and parents, for his parents. It sounds like one badly messed-up family. Ideally, what should happen is, an investigation into the kid’s home life and mental health should be made. Should he have a genuine mental health problem, he should be confined to a psychiatric institution until he can understand the nature and consequences of his crime and assist in his own trial. He should then serve whatever sentence a jury of his peers decides and the court, in its wisdom, allows. Barring any mental health issue (which I frankly find hard to believe, given the kid’s home life), then he should be tried as a child and sentenced as a child. There has not been any evidence to show that the kid is a sociopath or that violence is habitual with him. Is there hope for him? I hope so. But honestly, I just don’t know.

I don’t really know. It’s a horrible situation, for the kid, for the deceased, for her surviving children and parents, for his parents. It sounds like one badly messed-up family. Ideally, what should happen is, an investigation into the kid’s home life and mental health should be made. Should he have a genuine mental health problem, he should be confined to a psychiatric institution until he can understand the nature and consequences of his crime and assist in his own trial. He should then serve whatever sentence a jury of his peers decides and the court, in its wisdom, allows. Barring any mental health issue (which I frankly find hard to believe, given the kid’s home life), then he should be tried as a child and sentenced as a child. There has not been any evidence to show that the kid is a sociopath or that violence is habitual with him. Is there hope for him? I hope so. But honestly, I just don’t know.

I don’t really know. It’s a horrible situation, for the kid, for the deceased, for her surviving children and parents, for his parents. It sounds like one badly messed-up family. Ideally, what should happen is, an investigation into the kid’s home life and mental health should be made. Should he have a genuine mental health problem, he should be confined to a psychiatric institution until he can understand the nature and consequences of his crime and assist in his own trial. He should then serve whatever sentence a jury of his peers decides and the court, in its wisdom, allows. Barring any mental health issue (which I frankly find hard to believe, given the kid’s home life), then he should be tried as a child and sentenced as a child. There has not been any evidence to show that the kid is a sociopath or that violence is habitual with him. Is there hope for him? I hope so. But honestly, I just don’t know.

Thank you. I always welcome cites to information.

Thank you. I always welcome cites to information.

Thank you. I always welcome cites to information.

Thank you. I always welcome cites to information.

According to research done on children and their understanding of death, at age 11 a child is only beginning to understand the finality of death. At age 20, a young adult’s brain is still developing the complex neuronal interactions that are required to deal with the increasing complexity of life.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001909.htm

According to research done on children and their understanding of death, at age 11 a child is only beginning to understand the finality of death. At age 20, a young adult’s brain is still developing the complex neuronal interactions that are required to deal with the increasing complexity of life.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001909.htm

According to research done on children and their understanding of death, at age 11 a child is only beginning to understand the finality of death. At age 20, a young adult’s brain is still developing the complex neuronal interactions that are required to deal with the increasing complexity of life.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001909.htm

According to research done on children and their understanding of death, at age 11 a child is only beginning to understand the finality of death. At age 20, a young adult’s brain is still developing the complex neuronal interactions that are required to deal with the increasing complexity of life.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001909.htm

Perhaps you should check first that they’re actually kids and not alien xenoanthropologists doing their postgraduate fieldwork.