The war on drugs in a revenue stream – why interrupt that?!!!! Money for money’s sake – ideas are dangerous, they must be stopped – to preserve the republic! Where did all the good sense in this country go – was that too, fired – likely so, along with all the remaining critical thinkers and the baby in the bath water!

he is right. what did prohabition do for alchohol? just make the bootleggers and crooked politicians more money. If we legalize marijuana for personal, at-home consumption it would than take out one of there biggest money makers. we can than use that money for the harder drugs like meth, heroin,oxy’s, coke…. go after those dealers and cartels for profiting off ones addiction. also think of how much less money goes to locking up otherwise law abiding pot smokers. and wasting everyones time having them go throughorbogus judicial system.

Let’s see if I got this: This man gets fired for saying a plant should be legal and Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et. al. are protected by the First Amendment to incite violence and hate?
Sometimes I just don’t understand where sanity has gone.

I can’t wait for the RWNJ media, who defended statements like “shoot ‘em in the head” on first-amendment grounds, to excoriate this guy, ignoring HIS free speech rights.

Right-wing extremists being shameless hypocrites.

This gives all of us a good idea of what the government thinks about those who publicly state that marijuana should be legalized:

“I was asked if I wanted to overthrow the American government,” he said. “I was asked if I was a socialist.”

Since when were marijuana legalization advocates thought to be plotting to overthrow the American government??? Yes, many of us do believe that right-wing GOP nutcases should be drummed out of the government – but who in their right mind wouldn’t want to purge those who constantly attempt to enact legislation that favors corporations over people? As long as I live and breathe I will speak out against fascism and its supporters – and now this is somehow anti-American??? WTF????

Wow, a Chicano draws a conclusion between the massive spike in violent deaths in his motherland with the war on drugs. Sounds like a dumbass Librull to me.
The spike in violence is to be blamed on video games, TV and abortion, as we all know.

The phony, endless war on drugs has ruined many people’s lives while providing police departments, lawyers, judges, the prison industry, DEA, etc., all sorts of job security, bonuses, overtime pay, ever increasing revenue & powers, their own smuggling/dealing/money-laundering opportunities, etc.!!! (And this is just the tip of the rotten, corrupt iceberg!)

There is a concerted effort by our “authorities” to get everyone thrown into “the system”, whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!

“held personal views that were contrary to the core characteristics of Border Patrol Agents, which are patriotism, dedication and esprit de corps”

As a retired Fed, this description would apply to almost every federal employee I ever knew. The managers at the Border Patrol office should be fired for gross incompetence.

It has to do with job security and budget expansion. Pouring millions of dollars into the eradication of a god given plant which has never killed anyone except when manipulated by man into the hangman’s rope is what they work for so their future budgets won’t be cut.

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I’m with you man…It’s his damned supervisors that need to be fired. How do you get OMFGSOSHULLIST out of “legalizing it would end the violence”….

They claimed he wasn’t patriotic. But what is not patriotic is stifling free speech.

Recently the DHS held a training where terrorists were gonna use explosives to blow up a dam, they used Marijuana growers as terrorists in their phony incident

Just more reefer madness.

Prohibitions of any kind for any goods or services has never worked in the history of humanity and never will.
And another fact is when those prohibitions are ended it ALWAYS stifles if not ends the black markets associated with those prohibitions.

And now these fuckers are saying if one uses those facts in a conversation it is anti-American and you want to overthrow the America government. Well, those fuckers can fuck off.

Big pharma and those with jobs fighting against pot are the ones that are behind this. I don’t consider any of those people Americans but rather part of the fascist element we have that is hell bent on destroying our democracy. Instead of fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, we should instead be directing our war against them. After all, they declared war on us

Latino, Howie – Chicano is something else.

The CIA run war on drugs protects their income used to fund other illegal and subversive activities, and has the side benefit of feeding the privately run prison system, filling it with non-violent offenders, most of them without resources to pay for adequate defense. I hope the ACLU wins this one. If it doesn’t – well – it’s all over folks.

This is a perfect example of Orwell’s statement: “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Most informed people know that the War on Drugs is the big con job.Political leaders,Big pharma,law enforcement,the prison industry all make money off this phoney war.How many people die for smoking weed, on the other hand how many people die from drinking booz.Until the profit is eliminated,this phony war goes on.This is a war we can not win.

Msgt Moore/1T2900

When has a pot-smoker ever had the energy or motivation to overthrow a government?

“esprit de corps”? more like “esprit de authoritarianism”

So they accuse him of being a socialist and then act like communists themselves.
How ironic ! Adolf would be proud.

You can tell by that line of questioning his superiors handed him…that Border has been taken over by wingnut douchebags and diehard neo-con Beck-fanboys. These people can’t be trusted to execute their office faithfully…they serve two agendas…and their sworn duties will always come second after their personal vendettas. Purge them out of the system. A litmus test IS called for…but it has to be one that drives the whackjobs and frothing f&cktards out of positions of authority over others.

Indeed we have lost the drug war the way we are fighting it. I’ve never used drugs but feel they should be legalized. See http://moneyedpoliticians.net/2009/03/18/the-drug-war/

Jack Lohman

“I was asked if I wanted to overthrow the American government,” he said. “I was asked if I was a socialist.”

These are amazing questions for simply stating the obvious. The “war on drugs” has been a national disaster. It has put many young people in jail/prison for toking on weed, something politicians, lawyers, cops and entertainers have done without fear of imprisonment (exceptions
Cheech Marin and more recently Willie Nelson) for eons. And pray, what in God’s name has being a socialist got to do with border patrol or loving one’s country?? How does that even apply to the job this guy held? AND WHERE in the Constitution does it state that one must be a free- market capitalist in order to be employed?? Good on the ACLU for tackling this issue. I do hope this young man gets both his job and back pay. what utter horse shit to be fired and interrogated like this.

Read “The Politics Of Heroin In Southeast Asia” (written 40 years ago) to understand the connection between drug trafficking and american intelligence agencies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Politics_of_Heroin_in_Southeast_Asia

clip – “It (heroin) is transported in the planes, vehicles, and other conveyances supplied by the United States.

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THANKS TO GONZALEZ FOR BRAVERY in the face of the Fascists Who Don’t Have A Clue
about the LAW much less what it means in the USA. Bravo ACLU — perhaps this case will sort out the GOOD GUYS from the CLUELESS BAD ONES.

The revolution is in progress concerning cannabis. And its being done by smokers.

I now classify all this Federal money and energy against cannabis as neurotic activity, like compulsive hand-washing until your hands bleed.

Because it just takes a moment, please take the time to write the President, your Senator(s), and Representatives. Just google “write my….” There are convenient forms contact them.

This is exactly what happened at the beginning of nazi germany. The people would not speak to anyone, fearing they would be ratted out and halled off at night to never be seen again. If they did re-appear, they would never say what happened.

And if on a jury… ;-)

The war on drugs has only cost $3 trillion dollars so far. Someone is making a nice living.

More police stateism.

What a sad, misguided exercise in futility the war on drugs has been. When drug addiction is treated as a health problem instead of a criminal issue, we will have grown up a little bit as a nation. I don’t see anyone advocating arresting people for eating junk food…

“How dare you have your own opinions? You’re fired” Welcome to the U.S.S.A (leave you rights at the door)

“I was asked if I wanted to overthrow the American government,” he said. “I was asked if I was a socialist.”

I didn’t know being a Teahadist was a job requirement for the border patrol. But I guess most of us know that the folks patrolling the border are neo-Nazis.

I agree but it could be problematic if Border Control is contracting out to private security companies. Private companies are legally allowed to fire employees for having political leanings that run contrary to that of the owner.

It’s a perfect example of why we should not hire private companies for security in the U.S.

Bush and Obama have repealed the 1st Amendment or haven’t you heard.

Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were totalitarians from opposing ideological camps. Hitler and Mussolini were right-wing extremists, Stalin was a ‘communist’.

He questioned one of the main tenants for the Border Patrol’s existence in its current form at the moment. Stop worrying about drugs crossing the boarder simply because inertia keeps them “illegal” and the Border Patrol stands to lose a lot of funds . . . can’t have that.

And it has nothing whatsoever to do with “overthrowing the government.” That’s an absolutely absurd allegation. Time and history has demonstrated that pot smokers are almost universally non-violent. Is there a documented change that I’m not aware of???

By giving you medication?

Bob Marley?

It isn’t bad enough that most foreign people now hate America but now we are making it difficult for any free thinking Americans to speak out for fear of being intimidated or losing their jobs.

Law enforcment is a for-profit enterpise and in truth all Goverment is a for-profit enterpise or the tool of A for-profit enterpise. When you understand that you’ll understand why this country feels so broken.

Border Patrol Agents are the equivalent of the TSA. They are the people who desperately want to wear uniforms and have power over others, but can’t pass the tests to be real police officers.
These are the FEMA Camp Counsellors of tomorrow.

Yeah and we better STFU if we know what’s good for us! This drug war has erroded more than just the 1st Amendment. As a medical marijuana patient I’m not even allowed to have a gun present when medicating. Oh, a 5th of Jack is okay but no, no, no, no fucking guns if you’re around weed!

Clearly anyone who wants to lessen suffering by sane policy is a socialist. Just look at the right-wing definition of the word: “Any government activity that hampers the ability of the individual or corporation to abuse the general public for profit.”.

Isn’t it obvious? Ending all the senseless violence would hamper the Prison-Industrial complex and their ability to leech huge sums of cash from public coffers. That benefits the many at the expense of the few.. that’s socialist.

/eyeroll

Ah, America.. land of the Free and home of the Brave.. so long as your bravery doesn’t extend beyond killing brown people around the world and your freedom does not cause you to question the status quo or break from the official line. You’re free to be a lemming, so long as you’re brave enough to indiscriminately kill who they tell you to kill. Step out of that and.. well.. join the 3rd world being created inside the borders of the U.S.

And both systems are ideologically opposed to American democracy.
But all three are beginning to look the same.

Well, when it comes to the reefer it just drives people out of their heads! …ah the ones that depend on a paycheck from prohibition.

My God, a cop that actually uses his BRAIN? We clearly can’t have that! All we want is those cops who will taser, shoot or beat someone to maintain ORDER and NOT question a freaking thing we have told them. How else can we maintain the police state that we have spent so much time and effort to build up?

I hope this guy takes the department for a freaking BILLION DOLLARS. This kind of nonsense cannot be allowed to stand.

BTW, I think I may be in for a decent first amendment case, myself. I got pulled over a little while ago for something that is NOT illegal in my state, flashing your lights at another driver to warn them of an upcoming speed trap. NOT illegal in Colorado, but I was pulled over and that is WHY. NOT legal at all, just intimidation. Makes his stop, his search of my vehicle, and the littering that he did while searching my car all completely illegal. A judge in Tennessee recently ruled that this is indeed a first amendment case, as no court has ever given the cops the power or authority to tell us when, where, how and about what we can communicate with each other. In fact, the website of a town in that county specifically states that it’s not illegal and that most cops will be GLAD for you to do it, as it “leaves them available for more important police work”. Someone should have told this little steroid monkey about that. The county of Jefferson in Colorado may be paying my house off.

Good luck to both of us.

The First Amendment guarantees Five Freedoms!!!

http://www.illinoisfirstamendmentcenter.com/freedoms.php

That is kinda interesting. Hope it pans out!

You’re a private citizen though…for him, it’s a bit less clear.

You would have a much better case than he does.

Vis a vis the drug war in Mexico—maybe if the citizens could be armed, this could turn the tide on the war? Would the druglords be as powerful if they knew that locals were packing heat?

Not only that, but when prescription drugs kill 200,000 Americans every year, and cannabis has killed NO ONE in it’s 10,000 years of known use, why should one even have to have a special note from the state to use cannabis? There is NO other drug or substance that requires DOUBLE acceptance. And when you are in Colorado, you can get the okay from the doctor, but you still can’t buy anything legally until the state decides to send you the paperwork. You’re STILL a criminal if you don’t carry every piece of paperwork with you whenever you have something on you, or they can and will revoke your permit. The system sucks, though at least it’s SOMETHING.

Good luck, hang in there, and don’t let them get to you. We WILL win this one, and I suspect that it will be sooner rather than later. After Reagan, I never thought we would get THIS close. It’s time, but then, it’s been time for 30 freaking years.

Not only that, but when prescription drugs kill 200,000 Americans every year, and cannabis has killed NO ONE in it’s 10,000 years of known use, why should one even have to have a special note from the state to use cannabis? There is NO other drug or substance that requires DOUBLE acceptance. And when you are in Colorado, you can get the okay from the doctor, but you still can’t buy anything legally until the state decides to send you the paperwork. You’re STILL a criminal if you don’t carry every piece of paperwork with you whenever you have something on you, or they can and will revoke your permit. The system sucks, though at least it’s SOMETHING.

Good luck, hang in there, and don’t let them get to you. We WILL win this one, and I suspect that it will be sooner rather than later. After Reagan, I never thought we would get THIS close. It’s time, but then, it’s been time for 30 freaking years.

Very telling when they incorporate republican talking points in their statements. If you don’t have their exact same view points, then you’re unamerican and they hate you w/a passion. Logical thinking has no weight.

Very telling when they incorporate republican talking points in their statements. If you don’t have their exact same view points, then you’re unamerican and they hate you w/a passion. Logical thinking has no weight.

Back in 1986 I was driving mu old Volvo with Florida plates along a relatively brisk Texas four-lane undivided in the middle of the afternoon. I was pulled over by a Texas Highway Patrol car carrying five cops who proceeded to remove everything from my car including my drum-set in the trunk and leave it all strewn along the highway prior to scowling at me through their sunglasses, telling me “We’ll get you next time” and burning rubber as they left.

Back in 1986 I was driving mu old Volvo with Florida plates along a relatively brisk Texas four-lane undivided in the middle of the afternoon. I was pulled over by a Texas Highway Patrol car carrying five cops who proceeded to remove everything from my car including my drum-set in the trunk and leave it all strewn along the highway prior to scowling at me through their sunglasses, telling me “We’ll get you next time” and burning rubber as they left.

That’s rather dismissive and stereo-typey.

So you’re saying, just to be certain, that all pot-smokers are useless?

That’s rather dismissive and stereo-typey.

So you’re saying, just to be certain, that all pot-smokers are useless?

That’s rather dismissive and stereo-typey.

So you’re saying, just to be certain, that all pot-smokers are useless?

didn’t we learn the first time with prohibition of alcohol, that it does work.. Did we not learn from all the deaths then it took seven men being killed at on time (the St. Valentines Massacre). with the way the world is today i guess a whole city has to be wiped out for everyone to get tired of it is that what it will take to wake people up…….

didn’t we learn the first time with prohibition of alcohol, that it does work.. Did we not learn from all the deaths then it took seven men being killed at on time (the St. Valentines Massacre). with the way the world is today i guess a whole city has to be wiped out for everyone to get tired of it is that what it will take to wake people up…….

didn’t we learn the first time with prohibition of alcohol, that it does work.. Did we not learn from all the deaths then it took seven men being killed at on time (the St. Valentines Massacre). with the way the world is today i guess a whole city has to be wiped out for everyone to get tired of it is that what it will take to wake people up…….

People should not be fired for stating their views. A firing has to do with how you perform your job, if anything. I guess this will be an easy case in court.

People should not be fired for stating their views. A firing has to do with how you perform your job, if anything. I guess this will be an easy case in court.

People should not be fired for stating their views. A firing has to do with how you perform your job, if anything. I guess this will be an easy case in court.

Oh, great. Now you’ve given them the idea.

Oh, great. Now you’ve given them the idea.

Oh, great. Now you’ve given them the idea.

In all honesty, some smoke so much they do become lazy and unproductive. That said, it’s not nearly as bad as alcoholism, which still exacts a heavy toll from our economy. I smoke and I get extremely lazy which is why I quit. I have too many responsibilities. When I was in Kansas living with a college girl a few years ago I also noted that the younger generation has developed the ability to incorporate pot into their lives (and workplace) and seem to be able to function as good or better than normal people. That depends on the individual; it’s not for me – but that doesn’t make it wrong or bad.

In all honesty, some smoke so much they do become lazy and unproductive. That said, it’s not nearly as bad as alcoholism, which still exacts a heavy toll from our economy. I smoke and I get extremely lazy which is why I quit. I have too many responsibilities. When I was in Kansas living with a college girl a few years ago I also noted that the younger generation has developed the ability to incorporate pot into their lives (and workplace) and seem to be able to function as good or better than normal people. That depends on the individual; it’s not for me – but that doesn’t make it wrong or bad.

In all honesty, some smoke so much they do become lazy and unproductive. That said, it’s not nearly as bad as alcoholism, which still exacts a heavy toll from our economy. I smoke and I get extremely lazy which is why I quit. I have too many responsibilities. When I was in Kansas living with a college girl a few years ago I also noted that the younger generation has developed the ability to incorporate pot into their lives (and workplace) and seem to be able to function as good or better than normal people. That depends on the individual; it’s not for me – but that doesn’t make it wrong or bad.

2 drunk guys bump into eachother ->Fight.
2 stoned guys bump into eachother. -. Huh?
Stoned driving is super safe by the way.
Because you probably only go 10 miles an hour.

Sarkasm OFF

Alcohol is a class A harddrug. Deal with with.
United States of hypocrits

The war on drugs is working ( sarkasm ON)

2 drunk guys bump into eachother ->Fight.
2 stoned guys bump into eachother. -. Huh?
Stoned driving is super safe by the way.
Because you probably only go 10 miles an hour.

Sarkasm OFF

Alcohol is a class A harddrug. Deal with with.
United States of hypocrits

The war on drugs is working ( sarkasm ON)

2 drunk guys bump into eachother ->Fight.
2 stoned guys bump into eachother. -. Huh?
Stoned driving is super safe by the way.
Because you probably only go 10 miles an hour.

Sarkasm OFF

Alcohol is a class A harddrug. Deal with with.
United States of hypocrits

The war on drugs is working ( sarkasm ON)

Agree.

Drugs and prostitution are both health related issues.

Legalize both then go after the black market and the sex-slave trade while leaving consenting adults to make their own decisions based not on the moral codes of someone else.

The only morality we need in the law is two-fold: murder/abuse of another person is wrong, and so is stealing.

After that, it’s all relative moral judgments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM

Agree.

Drugs and prostitution are both health related issues.

Legalize both then go after the black market and the sex-slave trade while leaving consenting adults to make their own decisions based not on the moral codes of someone else.

The only morality we need in the law is two-fold: murder/abuse of another person is wrong, and so is stealing.

After that, it’s all relative moral judgments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM

Agree.

Drugs and prostitution are both health related issues.

Legalize both then go after the black market and the sex-slave trade while leaving consenting adults to make their own decisions based not on the moral codes of someone else.

The only morality we need in the law is two-fold: murder/abuse of another person is wrong, and so is stealing.

After that, it’s all relative moral judgments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM

I’m sorry, but there is nothing safe about “stoned driving.”

I’m sorry, but there is nothing safe about “stoned driving.”

I’m sorry, but there is nothing safe about “stoned driving.”

It is very hard to plan a revolution when your main priorities are munchie food and chill out music. ;) If Mao had dappled in the hooch, he won’t have gone on the big march unless there was chocolate at the other end.

It is very hard to plan a revolution when your main priorities are munchie food and chill out music. ;) If Mao had dappled in the hooch, he won’t have gone on the big march unless there was chocolate at the other end.

It is very hard to plan a revolution when your main priorities are munchie food and chill out music. ;) If Mao had dappled in the hooch, he won’t have gone on the big march unless there was chocolate at the other end.

PaulJay, were you drunk, stoned or both when you posted because your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

PaulJay, were you drunk, stoned or both when you posted because your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

PaulJay, were you drunk, stoned or both when you posted because your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

If Bob had been prez instead of W, the world would be a better place now.

If Bob had been prez instead of W, the world would be a better place now.

If Bob had been prez instead of W, the world would be a better place now.

If Bob had been prez instead of W, the world would be a better place now.

It doesn’t? Alcohol is a Class A legal drugs but still the U.S is paranoid about a plant.
It has everything to do with the subject.

It doesn’t? Alcohol is a Class A legal drugs but still the U.S is paranoid about a plant.
It has everything to do with the subject.

It doesn’t? Alcohol is a Class A legal drugs but still the U.S is paranoid about a plant.
It has everything to do with the subject.

It doesn’t? Alcohol is a Class A legal drugs but still the U.S is paranoid about a plant.
It has everything to do with the subject.

No you’re right. I was being sarkastic. Is that really hard to spot?
I’ll add it for future readers.

No you’re right. I was being sarkastic. Is that really hard to spot?
I’ll add it for future readers.

No you’re right. I was being sarkastic. Is that really hard to spot?
I’ll add it for future readers.

No you’re right. I was being sarkastic. Is that really hard to spot?
I’ll add it for future readers.

The issue is not whether pot should be legal, the issue is whether the government has the right to suppress free speech. They don’t.

If the border patrol agent was performed his duties in a satisfactory manner, Homeland Security can’t fire him for simply stating an opinion that the War on Drugs is a failure and that legalizing marijuana would save lives. He’s not an employee of a private company, he’s an employee of the federal government.

The First Amendment prohibits suppression of free speech by the federal government.

Unlawful termination is the issue. The federal government cannot suppress free speech. The border patrol agent was exercising his free speech right to express an opinion in private to another border patrol agent. He did not in any way allow his personal opinion on the legalization of marijuana to effect the performance of his official duties.

The First Amendment prohibits suppression of free speech by the government and Homeland Security is the federal government. This agent will win this case. They fired him one month before the expiration of his two-year probationary period but they fired him specificially for his personal opinion of the legalization of marijuana, probably because his previous performance reviews were satisfactory. They should have found some other reason for firing him.

The government will lose this case.

When things like this happen it is a indication that the house of cards which is our drug enforcement network is teetering.

‘The First Amendment prohibits suppression of free speech by the federal government.’
That explains why Assange is a dangerous terrorist!

I can’t understand why people over there still think that Homeland Security cares about your rights. They don’t. They have taken over a long time ago.
People get fired for less than this over there.

We all should fear the attitude of his superiors. Reefer Madness affects the common sense of quite a few people. We need more common sense, not less. We must not let “purity” tests into any government agency. We should, as citizens, always be on alert for this sort of reactionary type of punitive punishment. It happens all the time, and is ignored.

“I thought Director Robert Mueller the corrupt did this”…..

Mueller was the one in 2003 told the tories about the pending mortgage crises and they nearly threw his ass out.

“I was asked if I was a socialist.”

At the minimum, weed is currently illegal. Being a socialist is not (at least on paper).

And that is one big house of cards, now that it has grown into yet another international intelligence agency/paramilitary organization.

If he had not identified his job title, he may have had a point. But the First Amendment is not absolute. The question is: Would this have compromised his ability to perform his job duties? That is a toss-up, and the trial could go either way.

Obviously a violation of his basic rights. I hope the ACLU and the courts absolutely hammer the government on this one. By the way, where are the Border Patrol Right Wing-nuts on this one? Do they and the rest of the far-right goofballs actually realize that they would look like slices of moldy fruitcake if they actually tried to defend the Border Patrol decision here? Or is it simply that none of them would read anything on this site? It is on their no-look-no-think list?

If *I* had been president instead of W the world would be a better place. Or if YOU had been. Or my 6 year old niece. Hell, 95% of us would have been better for the country than W was.

Choose your enemies wisely, for he is who you become.

Taste of your own medicine there, eh, chump?

I bet this is one idiot who won’t be waiving flags and bobbing his head at everything his government says anymore.

I guess they want to make sure that the first person anyone sees coming into the US is a complete idiot.

I had in my possession a little bit of weed, being on the temporary permit in a medicinal cannabis state, but I didn’t have the paperwork with me. Rather than take the chance it would be revoked as a result, I let them search the car, even though I know it’s illegal for them to do so. When the DA calls and tells me what they plan to file against me, I will say “Okay, tell me what charges YOU want to file, and I will tell you about the ones *I* am going to file”.

We will start with the illegal stop, and throw in the fact that he was sitting on the side of the road without his lights on, a violation of policy. His buddy up the road has HIS on, but not this asshole. So the stop was illegal, the search and seizure was illegal, the littering was illegal, and I am going to throw in the first amendment thing and also RICO charges against the county. I am SURE I’m not the first person this scum bag has pulled over for illegal reasons, and the county hasn’t done a thing to stop it, and is in fact profiting from it. That makes them a criminal organization, and worthy of RICO charges.

They have screwed with the wrong person this time. I’m madder than hell over this, It was a stop PURELY to intimidate me for something that is NOT illegal. This fucker is going down, and going down hard, it I have anything to say about it. They think they are going to get an easy few hundred dollars out of this, well, I’m going to cost them so much it will be tens of times what they would EVER get out of me. It’s up to them how far they want to pay me.

A few years ago there was a movement to increase the penalties for Marijuana in England. The proposal was getting pretty much rubber-stamped, when someone suggested doing some actual research. Since the main issue at the time was causes of vehicle accidents, a study was done. The basic cause for accidents was found to be fatigue. Second was alcohol. Third was cell phone use and other distractions. The group that had the fewest accidents of all were those who were not tired, had not consumed alcohol, and had smoked some pot. The law was not passed at that time. However, the effort to increase the criminalization of pot goes on, since the proponents of the “law as cure” bunch never pay any attention to evidence. They operate on the motto, “Don’t bother me with the facts, my mind is made up.”

They were taking lessons from Louisiana, which did this on a routine basis for most of the 80′s. It was finally brought to attention, and they started losing a LOT of tourist money. I suspect the word came down to knock off the bullshit, as you don’t hear about it anymore from there. Good thing you didn’t have anything with you, or you might STILL be in the slammer.

yet

I hope you’re right, at least about my case. I do have legal precedence, even if it’s not in the same state. I do think the premise is sound, and we will find out when and if the DA blinks. I’m really pissed about this, and I’m NOT going to let it go away. If the DA wants to play, I’m good. I’m sure I can find a lawyer to take this on a contingency basis so it won’t cost me a thing. And I work at home, so I can be at court for days at a time without worry.

They chose the wrong person to try and intimidate. They didn’t intimidate me, they just pissed me off. And that is NOT a good thing to do, especially when YOU’RE the one breaking FAR worse laws than I am.

Your keyboard to God’s inbox… And I still wish this cop good luck too. There are so few SANE ones out there, we need all of them we can get.

And BTW, just how much did that make you RESPECT cops? Really doing themselves big favors with this bullshit attitude, aren’t they? This pig who fucked with me will find out just how much I RESPECT him, and damned soon.

Part of the reason they hire so many people (TSA, Border Patrol, Cops, NSA,etc.) is to create a vast pool of individuals with a vested interest in supporting the inane and counter-productive war on drugs, terror etc., Give these ideas validity in the minds of enough of your friends, neighbors and relatives and it becomes easier to keep these scams going. It’s the empire buying the loyalty of the feeble minded. No wonder they freak out when one of the paid zombies dares to think for himself.

There never was a sanity clause, sorry!

hey, i want to see all evil empires overthrown and yes, i am a socialist. ask me those questions torture pigs and i’ll spit it in your thug faces. and obama, who like our past 3 presidents, admits to smoking pot… what does he do but continue the drug war which has unconstitutionally imprisoned over 37 million americans since 1935… 31mln of those for harmless pot! so if obama supports the drugwar against the citizenry; he should turn himself in for jail time for his past criminality; shouldn’t he? same for bush and clinton.

Except for the fact that he “received excellent performance reviews,” as stated in the filing. He was fired because of a reported conversation he had with another agent during which he “remarked that legalization of drugs would end the drug war and related violence in Mexico. He also stated that the drug problems in America were due American demand for drugs, supplied by Mexico.”

In that same conversation, the other agent asked why Mexicans “are always trying to enter the United States and steal jobs. In response, Mr. Gonzales replied that the reason Mexicans came to the U.S. was the lack of jobs in Mexico.” Mr. Gonzales also “mentioned the organization, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, made up of former law enforcement officers who are opposed to the drug war. He also mentioned the organization’s website to Mr. Montoya during their conversation.”

Gonzales was terminated one month before the expiration of his two-year probationary period. The termination letter stated that Gonzales held “personal views that were contrary to the core characteristics of Border Patrol Agents, which are patriotism, dedication and esprit de corps.”

If his “personal views” did not affect the performance of his official duties and if all of his performance reviews were “excellent,” then I believe he has a chance of winning in court. The conversation that was the cause of the report took place in April but the Border Patrol didn’t terminate him until September. If he received no written warnings about his job performance and if all of his performance reivews were “excellent,” as claimed in the filing, then it appears that he was terminated for expressing a personal view during a conversation with another Border Patrol Agent.

As un-American as it gets. The Bush administration was using similar criteria to choose prosecutors and judges, and seems to have gotten away with it.
I call this an act of terrorism, to make like-minded people who know right from wrong afraid to speak up.

Whichever dumbass decided to fire this guy for his personal beliefs just made a big fucking mistake.

#$%^*

The U.S. government is trying to get Assange on espionage but they haven’t been able to charge anything because they can’t get Manning to claim falsely that he and Assange were in cahoots and that Assange encouraged him to steal secret documents.

Apparently our government doesn’t even know how the website Wikileaks works. Wikileaks doesn’t know the identity of the people who sent them private documents. That’s how the informers are protected from prosecution. The way the software is configured there is no way for Wikileaks to determine the source.

Assange doesn’t know the source of the documents. Manning was arrested based on a conversation he had with another hacker during which he boasted about downloading these secret documents. That other hacker reported him to the government.

One minor point: Assange is an Australian and he does not operate in the U.S. He is not covered by the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment. However, it would not surprise me if our government already has a secret warrant out for his arrest based on a charge of violation of espionage laws.

Actually, he’s lucky he’s a federal employee, as I’ve been fired twice for expressing my positive views of socialism, once in Texas, were I was told that Texas is an “at will” state which means that you can be legally fired or refused employment on the grounds of unpopular political beliefs. I think it may still be law in Texas that you cannot be a teacher if you are a member of the Communist Party.

The land of the free and the home of the brave.

Actually, he’s lucky he’s a federal employee, as I’ve been fired twice for expressing my positive views of socialism, once in Texas, were I was told that Texas is an “at will” state which means that you can be legally fired or refused employment on the grounds of unpopular political beliefs. I think it may still be law in Texas that you cannot be a teacher if you are a member of the Communist Party.

The land of the free and the home of the brave.

Concise and to the point – and very clear – comment.

Concise and to the point – and very clear – comment.

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Well, it took me a little while to locate a drum key, but while removing the heads I did happen to mention that I’d played with Eddie Rabbitt. Of course, I hadn’t played with Eddie Rabbitt, but mentioning whom I’d actually played with might have immediately brought out the cuffs.

Well, it took me a little while to locate a drum key, but while removing the heads I did happen to mention that I’d played with Eddie Rabbitt. Of course, I hadn’t played with Eddie Rabbitt, but mentioning whom I’d actually played with might have immediately brought out the cuffs.

I think the Taliban have the same requirements.

Anyone remember the Iran-contra affair in Reagan’s time?
Look it up
and follow the money
money moves
helps pay for wars…
at the same time giving reason for

a war on Drugs!

works
every time.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin come to mind…

The shit in this country just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Good for LEAP and ACLU to note this American’s right to free speech and I hope he gets a million dollar settlement. Besides that, he’s absolutely correct in his statement. The previously commenter hit the nail on the head; our CIA has been promoting illegal drug traffic for years; the so-called “war on drugs” is a facade that costs taxpayers billions while shoveling truckloads on money to “private contractors” (i.e. the “electronic” border fence).

The man speaks his mind and you call him an idiot? Not sure the point you’re trying to make here.

How incredibly sad that this man has to go through this for voicing his opinion. I am flabbergasted as to what to say to this. I hope this man wins.

How incredibly sad that this man has to go through this for voicing his opinion. I am flabbergasted as to what to say to this. I hope this man wins.

How incredibly sad that this man has to go through this for voicing his opinion. I am flabbergasted as to what to say to this. I hope this man wins.

If he had made a racist comment and had gotten fired, would y’all be defending his freedom of speech then? Or is “free speech” only ok when you have the right idea.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

If he had made a racist comment and had gotten fired, would y’all be defending his freedom of speech then? Or is “free speech” only ok when you have the right idea.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

If he had made a racist comment and had gotten fired, would y’all be defending his freedom of speech then? Or is “free speech” only ok when you have the right idea.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

I DONT EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY ANYMORE! THINKING OF BAILING TO CANADA OR ASIA! THIS BANANA REPUBLIC IS DONE!

I DONT EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY ANYMORE! THINKING OF BAILING TO CANADA OR ASIA! THIS BANANA REPUBLIC IS DONE!

I DONT EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY ANYMORE! THINKING OF BAILING TO CANADA OR ASIA! THIS BANANA REPUBLIC IS DONE!

Hey Greg, let me exercise my freedom of speech here – - FUCK YOU!

Hey Greg, let me exercise my freedom of speech here – - FUCK YOU!

Hey Greg, let me exercise my freedom of speech here – - FUCK YOU!

For decades we’ve been told to get involved with the governance of this country; that voting is both a right and a responsibility. But when the citizenry does get involved, in constitutionally mandated ways (freedom of association, etc.), with registered, legit, up-front civic organizations, we are infiltrated, spied upon, and branded threat to national security.

Freeze! Put Your Hands Up!!! WTF’s a poor citizen to think now?

For decades we’ve been told to get involved with the governance of this country; that voting is both a right and a responsibility. But when the citizenry does get involved, in constitutionally mandated ways (freedom of association, etc.), with registered, legit, up-front civic organizations, we are infiltrated, spied upon, and branded threat to national security.

Freeze! Put Your Hands Up!!! WTF’s a poor citizen to think now?

For decades we’ve been told to get involved with the governance of this country; that voting is both a right and a responsibility. But when the citizenry does get involved, in constitutionally mandated ways (freedom of association, etc.), with registered, legit, up-front civic organizations, we are infiltrated, spied upon, and branded threat to national security.

Freeze! Put Your Hands Up!!! WTF’s a poor citizen to think now?

There’s nobody there competent enough to recognize that they are, in fact, incompetent.

There’s nobody there competent enough to recognize that they are, in fact, incompetent.

There’s nobody there competent enough to recognize that they are, in fact, incompetent.

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The antis are going down swinging. Even after the inevitable legalization there will be people in the LEO that will still abuse those with pot.

Speaks his mind? It must have been a very small mind indeed. I gather that you’re in the legions who love to wave flags and chant slogans, eh?

being gay isn’t illegal either, but tea baggers and other bigots are killing people for being gay. It was never illegal to be a communist, either.. but that didn’t stop McCarthy.

libertarians4freedom2bRacists
You can’t see the difference?

Come on up. I will feed your huskies and get you a pair of mukluks. LOL

I think I’ll smoke some indica. So what? He thinks it should be legal. Maybe someone should hear him out. I understand that technically they must not risk having a potential trafficker potentially nodding drug pushers through, but there is a huge difference between marijuana and black tar cocaine, etc. But he doesn’t speak as an armchair border patrol jockey…this is a person who is actually DOING the job and has more insight than most. Maybe he sees what is really causing societal ills. Ever OD on pot? Hear of one? It doesn’t happen.

You’re confusing “hate speech” and “inciteful” and “creating a hostile working environment” for “stating a position on a policy”. You’re not free to abuse others, but you’re free to have an opinion on matters of public policy.

Your inability to form a logical argument, the distortion presented to try and have a point.. it’s a rampant failing of the right-wing mind.

And if you do ever over do it, get ready, it’s NOT fun. But you don’t die, rob, beat people, kill people. It will save money if we devote ourselves to the lethal stuff coming in. Resources are being squandered on something simply not worth it. It’s a leaf that people smoke, not some toxic concoction that can kill you.

Generally speaking, the less info you give the pigs the better. They will only twist whatever you say to make you sound as guilty as they can. It makes YOU seem like a terrible person that DESERVES whatever treatment they are dishing out to you. It doesn’t matter how ILLEGAL what they are doing is, it’s YOU who are the horrible danger to siciety.

The War on Drugs has consumed 3 trillion dollars since it’s inception. A lot of people have a financial interest in keeping pot illegal.

The War on Drugs has consumed 3 trillion dollars since it’s inception. A lot of people have a financial interest in keeping pot illegal.

He shall have a great career marketing Medical Marijuana

He shall have a great career marketing Medical Marijuana

Advice: When choosing a Banana Republic, Smaller is always Better

Advice: When choosing a Banana Republic, Smaller is always Better

Yet you disclose your mentality…

Purely American

Yet you disclose your mentality…

Purely American

US is Paranoid period

US is Paranoid period

If only the Pretzel had come out on top.

If only the Pretzel had come out on top.

especially the banks, which have been staying solvent by laundering drug money. We all know their assets are worthless and they have zero fractional reserves.

especially the banks, which have been staying solvent by laundering drug money. We all know their assets are worthless and they have zero fractional reserves.

This seems to be a violation of the Hatch Act where the people that fired him could end up in prison, if the Office of Special Counsel chose to prosecute.

This seems to be a violation of the Hatch Act where the people that fired him could end up in prison, if the Office of Special Counsel chose to prosecute.

But he didn’t… or is that what bothers you?

But he didn’t… or is that what bothers you?

A friend of mine is a healthcare professional who does physical examinations for incoming border patrol personnel. She says there’s a marked increase lately in racist skinhead recruits.
I guess we know where the Border Patrol’s personnel preferences lie.

A friend of mine is a healthcare professional who does physical examinations for incoming border patrol personnel. She says there’s a marked increase lately in racist skinhead recruits.
I guess we know where the Border Patrol’s personnel preferences lie.

The Medical Marijuana Industry is why Cannabis was not legalized, last November, in California. If pot were totally legal, throughout the world, kinda how it was prior to the 20th century; no one would care because no one would be able to make any money.

Prohibition Apparatus = No money
Medical Marijuana = No money
Black Market Marijuana = No money

Trillions of dollars wasted. Millions of people murdered and imprisoned.

The Medical Marijuana Industry is why Cannabis was not legalized, last November, in California. If pot were totally legal, throughout the world, kinda how it was prior to the 20th century; no one would care because no one would be able to make any money.

Prohibition Apparatus = No money
Medical Marijuana = No money
Black Market Marijuana = No money

Trillions of dollars wasted. Millions of people murdered and imprisoned.

Steve, if you are smoking the leaf, you are missing the main event. Although you are right, smoking too much can be a nasty experience, it won’t kill you, just make you feel very weird and maybe paranoid. Certainly not in the mood to fight or get nasty or go outside even. Forget driving. The very idea would give you the creeps. There is a funny quote, “you never know what enough is until you have had too much.” Smart people learn this quickly.

Just for the record, it is the buds you smoke, you know? The flowers of the female plant. And just a little is enough. Good pot is like a fine wine. You sip it, you don’t guzzle. And in my experience, doing it more than once a week makes it less of a treat. Personally I have come to the point of doing it very seldom, but it always is an entertaining and enlightening reality check. Refreshing, like a good meditation. Clears out the cobwebs.

Non-violent pot smokers – that must be why the US lost in Viet Nam.

The people who decided to fire him should be fired.

Years ago, when I was a sheriff’s deputy, I wrote a letter to the paper calling for legalizing drugs. MJ to try it out first and then progress to other drugs. To make a long story short, my co-workers were very unhappy with me. I didn’t get fired but some of the “bosses” didn’t seem to like me very much. Never occured to me until right now that that could be why. Maybe??

Ron Paul could put an end to this silliness if America would wake up from the failed “war on drugs” which is as fake as the “war on terror”.

The problem with democracy is the majority rules – but as you know it does not matter that we vote, but who counts our votes. So who rules is the vote counter. In addition, the candidates we vote are not freely selected by the people, but preselected by the oligarchs. They not only decide who runs for major political office, but who wins.

Our government was set up as a democratic republic, not a straight out democracy. Here the majority is supposed to honor the opinions of the minorities. That would be civilized political behavior. But the MSM, working for the 2%ers, make certain the populace is fractured into irreconcilable ideological groups that fight and hurl insults at each other, and occasionally kill.

We’d been told to treasure freedom of choice above all things. Then we were given 300 different brands and types of toothpaste and were told we are free.

That’s about where we are now. Spending hours choosing toothpaste instead of facing reality.

Well, they have already thought of it. But I think what will really happen is that soon, in the near future, you may well be arrested for eating clean, unprocessed, unadulterated food. Even the summer tomatoes you grow in your own back garden.

I will never forgive that dog.

True but 95% of us aren’t as cunning, deceitful or immoral enough to get there.

What are you talkin’ ’bout, JW? Who is it you refer to?

I was with you until the word zombie. The man lives on the border, why should he be judged harshly for working Border Patrol? He needs an income like everyone else does. And obviously he is not feeble-minded. I’ll bet he’s a good man, with a good heart.

OTS… Jaimie dear… didn’t you get any mail from the Devil?..

We have crossed a dangerous line. People are now being fired and jailed because of what they have SAID! Here, in America, you are no longer free to express ideas that are no longer ‘politically correct.’ For only expressing unpopular ideas out loud, you are now thrown in with the pederasts …hookers …muggers …pushers…and stalkers. We must step back before its too late.

True. It does seem that the thing that separates US from the politicians is a sense of morality. WE have one.

I was rooting for the pretzel… Maybe we should all chip in and send him a case of them. We MIGHT get lucky…

Thanks for the sage wisdom regarding cops. I never would have guessed in all of my nearly 60 years on earth that cops aren’t actually my buddies with only my best interests at heart. At this point I’d sign off with a sarcastic and ironic “Stay safe.” but I won’t for the same reason some local woman just loved my bumper sticker which has a cross and reads: Jesus is my Car Insurance. She thought it was serious. Far from the first around here, either.

Hmmm, paper: Zig Zag’s or Tops?

Yes. They fired him because he is not a feeble minded zombie.

I was washing my “magic underwear” and missed that memo. It was “P-day”. Look that up….ha ha ha ha.

The same as you did when goebbels set up the Ministry of Propaganda and Enlightenment in germany. Libertarian: people that want to legalize pot and have sex with children under 15. Fuck you and that ayn rand pig you rode in on.

So, do you sell meth to your libertarian comrades like Ayn Rand?

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Can’t see because he bought his glasses from paul. The eye doctor that is against regulating the medical profession.

This is absolutely absurd ! ! ! I for one believe pot should be legalized for several reasons. #1 being the way the situation is the one who are making the most money off of it are the very ones we need to stop. If everyone could grow their own there would be no need for all the contraband traffic and underground organizations we are fighting now. #2 pot does have some very amazing medicinal qualities. I know this from experience. It is a very good pain reliever and you can just about forget anxiety when yer stoned. ;-) Plus the hard core druggies just went to harder drugs that do not stay in yer system as long, but are definately more dangerous in the work environment. They almost turned me into an alcoholic when they started running random urinalysis. I also found out how much I had injured myself in the last ten years working on the rigs, because I was use to the pain relief effects of marijuana. Regardless what happens, the fact remains, LESS government is what we need not more, and no damn nanny state crap.

I’ve apparently lost the thread.

I’ve apparently lost the thread.

she was going to send you an email… wasn’t on a thread…asking you a question…check your spam box…;)

she was going to send you an email… wasn’t on a thread…asking you a question…check your spam box…;)

the day you get to wash your magic underwear…thats what they do for fun!?!…simple minds are easily pleased i guess…

the day you get to wash your magic underwear…thats what they do for fun!?!…simple minds are easily pleased i guess…

Ha ha ha ha. They don’t knock on doors that day!

Ha ha ha ha. They don’t knock on doors that day!

Oh, let me get you up to speed: he is picking on me!

Oh, let me get you up to speed: he is picking on me!

Apparently well above yours, so fuck off!

Apparently well above yours, so fuck off!

Until 911 the drug war was the biggest scam perpetrated on the American people and all law enforcement agents realize this…especially with respect to pot. But you can’t fill the private prisons with just coke, heroin and meth violations…there aren’t enough of them. This man is allowed to say or believe what he wants and the Thought Police need to leave him alone. There would be NO violence if drugs were legal and they are afraid of the truth getting out when we waste so much money on their jobs we don’t need.

Until 911 the drug war was the biggest scam perpetrated on the American people and all law enforcement agents realize this…especially with respect to pot. But you can’t fill the private prisons with just coke, heroin and meth violations…there aren’t enough of them. This man is allowed to say or believe what he wants and the Thought Police need to leave him alone. There would be NO violence if drugs were legal and they are afraid of the truth getting out when we waste so much money on their jobs we don’t need.

Until 911 the drug war was the biggest scam perpetrated on the American people and all law enforcement agents realize this…especially with respect to pot. But you can’t fill the private prisons with just coke, heroin and meth violations…there aren’t enough of them. This man is allowed to say or believe what he wants and the Thought Police need to leave him alone. There would be NO violence if drugs were legal and they are afraid of the truth getting out when we waste so much money on their jobs we don’t need.

Until 911 the drug war was the biggest scam perpetrated on the American people and all law enforcement agents realize this…especially with respect to pot. But you can’t fill the private prisons with just coke, heroin and meth violations…there aren’t enough of them. This man is allowed to say or believe what he wants and the Thought Police need to leave him alone. There would be NO violence if drugs were legal and they are afraid of the truth getting out when we waste so much money on their jobs we don’t need.

Exactly…they need to be fired for violating his rights.

Exactly…they need to be fired for violating his rights.

Exactly…they need to be fired for violating his rights.

Exactly…they need to be fired for violating his rights.

I thought their job was to protect us but they only protect the drug lords and a phony system that keeps substances illegal for profit. Border Patrol is no different than the cartels…they are both just another gang.

I thought their job was to protect us but they only protect the drug lords and a phony system that keeps substances illegal for profit. Border Patrol is no different than the cartels…they are both just another gang.

I thought their job was to protect us but they only protect the drug lords and a phony system that keeps substances illegal for profit. Border Patrol is no different than the cartels…they are both just another gang.

I thought their job was to protect us but they only protect the drug lords and a phony system that keeps substances illegal for profit. Border Patrol is no different than the cartels…they are both just another gang.

I have this little saying that I use, whenever someone says the right setup, I will reply with “that’s why God made (insert item, say answering machines, just for a standard item)”, and the more ridiculous the better. I was working in a store one time, and I said that about something, I don’t recall what, but it was something like answering machines, and she looked at me for a second, and said “Hey, YEAH!”, and she was serious.

Some people are beyond help…

I have this little saying that I use, whenever someone says the right setup, I will reply with “that’s why God made (insert item, say answering machines, just for a standard item)”, and the more ridiculous the better. I was working in a store one time, and I said that about something, I don’t recall what, but it was something like answering machines, and she looked at me for a second, and said “Hey, YEAH!”, and she was serious.

Some people are beyond help…

I have this little saying that I use, whenever someone says the right setup, I will reply with “that’s why God made (insert item, say answering machines, just for a standard item)”, and the more ridiculous the better. I was working in a store one time, and I said that about something, I don’t recall what, but it was something like answering machines, and she looked at me for a second, and said “Hey, YEAH!”, and she was serious.

Some people are beyond help…

“Overhthrow the American government…”? Huh? Why…are they a criminal syndicate?

“Overhthrow the American government…”? Huh? Why…are they a criminal syndicate?

“Overhthrow the American government…”? Huh? Why…are they a criminal syndicate?

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“In an exclusive interview, Gonzalez told Raw Story he was questioned by Customs and Border Patrol’s Office of Internal Affairs — a confrontation that felt more to him like an “interrogation.”

“I was asked if I wanted to overthrow the American government,” he said. “I was asked if I was a socialist.”

“Then I asked them when they would be graduating 1st grade: before or after their 30th birthday?”

The wagons are being drawn in…these cretins see the world as black and white….only understand POWER FROM THE END OF A GUN.

NEVER FORGET THAT, pilgrim.

or you will be very sorry….

“In an exclusive interview, Gonzalez told Raw Story he was questioned by Customs and Border Patrol’s Office of Internal Affairs — a confrontation that felt more to him like an “interrogation.”

“I was asked if I wanted to overthrow the American government,” he said. “I was asked if I was a socialist.”

“Then I asked them when they would be graduating 1st grade: before or after their 30th birthday?”

The wagons are being drawn in…these cretins see the world as black and white….only understand POWER FROM THE END OF A GUN.

NEVER FORGET THAT, pilgrim.

or you will be very sorry….

Very disturbing, but hardly surprising, unfortunately.

Anyone familiar with military & law enforcement as well as Republican mindset & their massive disinfo propaganda knows this to be a systemic, cultural, political, & religious problem that’s not going to change anytime soon.

Anyone that has a brain knows to just avoid confrontation with these types of folks, they’re ignorant, disinformed & often are basically militant (use violence to “solve” problems).

Clearly this guy was a bit naive trying to disagree & have a real conversation with basically the human equivalent of guard dogs.

Very disturbing, but hardly surprising, unfortunately.

Anyone familiar with military & law enforcement as well as Republican mindset & their massive disinfo propaganda knows this to be a systemic, cultural, political, & religious problem that’s not going to change anytime soon.

Anyone that has a brain knows to just avoid confrontation with these types of folks, they’re ignorant, disinformed & often are basically militant (use violence to “solve” problems).

Clearly this guy was a bit naive trying to disagree & have a real conversation with basically the human equivalent of guard dogs.

Maine Bill Would Fully Legalize Marijuana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVP6XuLwcoM

Maine Bill Would Fully Legalize Marijuana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVP6XuLwcoM

I have a wanted poster that maybe the border protection agency should put up along their fence
WANTED
For the production and distribution of illegal plants
GOD
(no photo available)
Claims to have created everything,including all illegal plants.We have evidence in writing,
“I have given you every herb bearing seed,which is upon the face of the earth”,
Genesis,the bible
Also wanted as a person of interest and co-conspiritor
JESUS CHRIST
Claims to be the son of God and religious cult leader,sought for interview in regard to knowledge of fathers activities.Already nailed to the cross once,reports suggest he may have risen again.

Meanwhile Big Pharma is making bazillions peddling Oxi etc… turning everyone into controllable Zombies- Pushing the big Screens at the same time.
BrainWash so obvious “nobody” sees it.
Easy script for a final episode of Illuminati

Ha! Ha! Kickin the wordage!

It was intended to be lost, in order that it could be justified into perpetuity.

Thank you old hounddogg. You are such a goo’ boy. Yes, you are.

Thank you denny. P-day is telling, eh? Thanks for that.

I LOVED your post…………………

Fourteen years ago The Ottawa Citizen published four consecutive Editorials in four days calling for the legalization of Cannabis. Calling the Editor to commend him for such bold action, it was suggested an article be submitted for payment if published on the Op-Ed page. On submission, the Editor said, “Now we’re going to have to shit or get of the pot.”

It was published as a Letter To The Editor with the heart and guts edited out so that no reader would have a clear perspective or understanding of the issue.

June 16, 1997 A.D.

Cannabis, Culture & Cost

by

Ray Joseph Cormier

The Ottawa Citizen is to be commended for taking a leading role in attempting to stimulate a public debate on the legalization of cannabis. This voice, added to those of Police Chief Brian Ford, and the head of Interpol, who have called for decriminalization of cannabis, could be the catalyst for a True Common Sense Revolution.

While cannabis has been around for thousands of years, knowledge of it was not in the public domain until the sixties. No one I knew did it, or talked about it until the mass media reported on the new phenomenon called marijuana, spreading through California like wild fire.

I read with horror, the media reporting that anyone who smoked just one marijuana cigarette, would suddenly snap, go blind, commit suicide, rape, plunder and kill. I certainly didn’t want to live in that kind of society. I thought, ‘That’s terrible! The police have to stop that from spreading. Why would people do that?’. In the cold war mentality of those times, I was naive, and believed our media always told the Truth.

One night, a trusted friend told me he had some marijuana. He told me he was smoking it for six months, but was afraid to tell me, knowing I was so against it. Convincing me my fears were based on falsehoods, I tried it. Nothing happened! A month later, my friend had some cannabis resin. That time, I experienced what getting high meant – to me.

Everyone has heard the expressions, “getting high” or “stoned.” It is as difficult to convey an exact, universal understanding of those words as an experience, as it would be to say GOD, and everyone know in common. There are variables. Generally, cannabis or resin has mildly euphoric and tranquilizing effects simultaneously. Abstract concepts can be expressed verbally, with deeper insights. Fundamentally, cannabis and it’s resin is a social experience. Between users, thoughts, emotions, and words work more efficiently together in communion. Total strangers will take the time to share their lives with the offer of a joint, as in people joining together.

Montreal at that time was vibrant with Expo ‘67. Bohemians had disappeared, and beatniks were fading. The hippies had arrived. Peace, Love, brotherhood-sisterhood, sharing, caring and doing good with one another was the currency with the advent of cannabis. This, in my mind, was a positive change in society. The consensus was the government would have to legalize this beautiful, natural plant. That generation, the parents of today, were going to change the system.

In it’s series of editorials, The Citizen points out the gangsters selling alcohol during prohibition became rich, powerful and violent because the Law made it possible. When prohibition was repealed, the gangsters took their money, and invested in legitimate business. The gangster mentality is profit before people. With funding cuts to health care, education, and other services both cannabis users and non users need, the people should question the rationale for drug laws. How did the hope and promise of a kinder, gentler society degenerate into a leaner, meaner society? Why is a different standard applied to cannabis, than for alcohol and cigarettes?

Organized groups may import by the ton, but once landed, individual entrepreneurs handle retail distribution. These small time dealers are usually the people caught and sent to prison. Media reports reveal that top level dealers have the money to bribe police and other government officials in source countries.

In 1972, I was at the Frank Zappa concert when I met a friend in the crowd. I could not find cannabis for some time, and I inquired if my friend could help me? He reached into his pocket for a 5 gram piece of resin, and broke off half a gram. “Enjoy this,” he said, handing me the piece as a gift. Plainclothes police were working the crowd, and arrested us. Being my 1st offense, I received a six month peace bond. He was sentenced to six months in prison for trafficking. The taxpayer paid $18,000 to keep him there.

The Citizen reported on my last conviction for simple possession of cannabis resin on February 13, 1988. I was sentenced to 90 days in prison. That cost the taxpayer $9,000. The five policemen who came to court to testify on their day off, shared $1200 in time and a half overtime pay. Policemen always go to court on their scheduled day off. The cannabis Law financially benefits only the dealers, the lawyers and the police. The taxpayer loses.

Alcohol and tobacco can kill people. The government is happy to get the tax revenue. Repealing the cannabis laws will greatly reduce government expenditures in police, court and prison costs, and greatly increase government revenue so that hospitals can be kept open, and health care workers and teachers can keep their jobs. Deficit reduction targets and debt repayment will be realized sooner.

By the design of nature, the poorest of third world countries grow the best cannabis. Perhaps it is a crime against nature this unjust law deprives them the income from a cash crop they have in abundance.

The key word though is “probationary”…had he waited until it was 2 years and a day into his job, he would still have it.

Obomber, Jamie. The man is a consummate liar. He can’t speak his mind if his life depended on it.

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Your tax dollars at work. I hope Bryan enjoys his settlement.

Your tax dollars at work. I hope Bryan enjoys his settlement.

Your tax dollars at work. I hope Bryan enjoys his settlement.

Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for sharing that.

Don’t forget the failed attempt to call Columbian drug dealers “narco-terrorists” by Barry MacCaffery. The “War on Drugs” morphed into the “Global War on Terror” five minutes after the first plane hit the Twin Towers.

The “War on Drugs” was essentially within the Amercas, while the GWOT is well, global.

Oh, thanks Johnny. I’m glad you did not mean the young man in the article, Mr. Gonzalez, who has a conscience and a heart.

This thread has many threads in it. A weaving it is.

Thanks for clarifying.

Obama is as nasty as a big cocaine habit.

We all the right to freely associate with whomever we wish, employers, employees, communists, capitalists, any and every day of the week.

denny, that’s disingenuous of you. He’s not against regulating the medical profession at all. He’s against the good ole boys regulating it in a manner that is detrimental to their patients.

“Libertarian: people that want to have sex with children under 15.” I believe that is libelous.
You might want to check your facts, denny.

Yea. We have those rights. As long as we are willing to pay the penalty. I was fired, twice, for expressing politically unpopular opinions, by people who regard themselves as “american patriots.” When you can walk the talk, get back to me.

Like you and many others I try to walk the talk every day, but I’m human like you and make mistakes like you do. I am sorry you had that experience, getting fired for your political views. If you had been my employee I would only have fired you for non-performance or theft or similar reasons, not for your political thought. Still I want to retain my right to free association and I’d dare say you do too. Some people abuse the rights of others while claiming their own. They’re wrong.

I once was hired for a traditional male job that entailed serious physical danger when complete cooperation was not being observed. Since I was an “intruder” I was disposable and was nearly killed by the male employees’ negligent lack of cooperation. They didn’t need to fire me. I left, valuing my own peace more than their ignorance.

Life’s not fair and never has been.

Like you and many others I try to walk the talk every day, but I’m human like you and make mistakes like you do. I am sorry you had that experience, getting fired for your political views. If you had been my employee I would only have fired you for non-performance or theft or similar reasons, not for your political thought. Still I want to retain my right to free association and I’d dare say you do too. Some people abuse the rights of others while claiming their own. They’re wrong.

I once was hired for a traditional male job that entailed serious physical danger when complete cooperation was not being observed. Since I was an “intruder” I was disposable and was nearly killed by the male employees’ negligent lack of cooperation. They didn’t need to fire me. I left, valuing my own peace more than their ignorance.

Life’s not fair and never has been.

Like you and many others I try to walk the talk every day, but I’m human like you and make mistakes like you do. I am sorry you had that experience, getting fired for your political views. If you had been my employee I would only have fired you for non-performance or theft or similar reasons, not for your political thought. Still I want to retain my right to free association and I’d dare say you do too. Some people abuse the rights of others while claiming their own. They’re wrong.

I once was hired for a traditional male job that entailed serious physical danger when complete cooperation was not being observed. Since I was an “intruder” I was disposable and was nearly killed by the male employees’ negligent lack of cooperation. They didn’t need to fire me. I left, valuing my own peace more than their ignorance.

Life’s not fair and never has been.

What is the point of your posts?

I posted to point out that the officer is lucky he’s a federal employee, because in Texas you can be fired for expressing unpopular political opinions without cause or recourse. You contradict me and say that everyone has the right of free association. That is simply not true.

If you face a significant penalty for association with unpopular political ideas then you do not have a right of free association. If you disagree with this, just say so. Otherwise, you’re just engaging in a palinism.

You reply that life’s not fair. Don’t you think that’s more than a little facile?

Our responsibility as human beings is to make life more fair when we can. People that stand around and shrug their shoulders in the presence of injustice are almost as bad as those who commit the injustice – they’re the enablers.

I hear ya, girl. Listen, do you still have those links you gave me once, showing all the carnage the US has caused while “defending” itself? I can’t seem to put my hands on them and I need need. BTW, I was listening to a program on my local public station today on the topic of the Korean invasion. They interviewed a man who was a survivor of the invasion and it was horrifying. The things these monsters do! I’m going to see if I can find it on the Internet.

been doing the occasional blow since college in early 70s… never
half the problem of vodka… got into crack via ‘daisy’ medellin-family
dealer to the likes of stones-jayz-liza-zevon-blackcrowes, cetera and
went wild in mid-90s tossing joints off my penthouse balcony back when
my money was thick as marcos… only true addiction is opiate. and
that’s worth it.

duke ellington said, “been no blues, jazz, rock&roll w/out booze,
cocaine and heroin. gotta kill the pain.”

pain in the ass society of numbskulls, prohibitionists and us peons. got
a stickfull, joint? hell, got a pint of guinness or a camel straight.
i’d settle for a 1¢ mary jane or a zagnut bar.

been doing the occasional blow since college in early 70s… never
half the problem of vodka… got into crack via ‘daisy’ medellin-family
dealer to the likes of stones-jayz-liza-zevon-blackcrowes, cetera and
went wild in mid-90s tossing joints off my penthouse balcony back when
my money was thick as marcos… only true addiction is opiate. and
that’s worth it.

duke ellington said, “been no blues, jazz, rock&roll w/out booze,
cocaine and heroin. gotta kill the pain.”

pain in the ass society of numbskulls, prohibitionists and us peons. got
a stickfull, joint? hell, got a pint of guinness or a camel straight.
i’d settle for a 1¢ mary jane or a zagnut bar.

I have to wonder where the ban on Hemp ties in to this? This is a crop that has so many uses like bio-diesel, paper pulp, clothing…. It is much more eco friendly than it’s competitors like wood pulp and corn based fuels. Is it true that Cannabis was outlawed to protect the Hearst’s wood pulp industry? Is this the reason that non-THC hemp is still illegal?

I wasn’t contradicting you. I thought I was supporting you and also pointing out that freedom is a double edged sword. That’s why free association is so important. Hmm, maybe you don’t get how free association functions in cases like yours and mine. I left that job because it was too dangerous for me. My being there was politics they did not agree with. I chose to freely associate elsewhere.

Actually, I don’t believe it our job to make life fair when doing so causes division. I think the appropriate response is to move on. When we force issues people become defensive. That is not politic, but such a strategy does work to divide and conquer separate groups who have been manipulated to oppose one another by jaded politics and politicians.

If you are in a right to work state and your boss can’t stand socialism, why force it? Why push his button? Why fixate on his fault? That is hardly fair – on his side and yours. Why not keep quiet while you’re on the job? Would that have harmed you? Maybe you would have gleaned insight about how ridiculous humans are, not just those we don’t get along with, but ourselves as well. Isn’t that a valid part of life too? To look at the world and see our own reflection, warts and all. Or maybe we are too good for that?

And yes, this this young man is lucky to be able to appeal to the federal government which is charged with defending all of his rights. He’s very lucky.

I don’t recall those links. Are sure it was me who gave them to you?

“Actually, I don’t believe it our job to make life fair when doing so causes division”

You gotta be kidding. Do you recognize the contradiction in what you said? You’ve met the enemy, and he is you.

No wonder I didn’t understand what it was you were trying to say. You’re not homo sapien.

I always wondered if and when I would encounter a person who didn’t deserve rights and now I have.

“Actually, I don’t believe it our job to make life fair when doing so causes division”

You gotta be kidding. Do you recognize the contradiction in what you said? You’ve met the enemy, and he is you.

No wonder I didn’t understand what it was you were trying to say. You’re not homo sapien.

I always wondered if and when I would encounter a person who didn’t deserve rights and now I have.

“Actually, I don’t believe it our job to make life fair when doing so causes division”

You gotta be kidding. Do you recognize the contradiction in what you said? You’ve met the enemy, and he is you.

No wonder I didn’t understand what it was you were trying to say. You’re not homo sapien.

I always wondered if and when I would encounter a person who didn’t deserve rights and now I have.

Not only is the border patrol guilty of breaking the Constitution, I really wonde rabout the party he told his beliefs to. What about a guy who would report his comments to the brass? Is this the same system the Nazis set up to trap anyone expressing anti Nazi beliefs?

It was because I haven’t been able to reply to anyone. I can only post at the top of the thread.

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Yes, ma’am, it was you. But it was a while back. I thought that since it was such a gruesome subject, you would have kept links.

Yes, ma’am, it was you. But it was a while back. I thought that since it was such a gruesome subject, you would have kept links.

Tell me when it was, the week and month, and I’ll search it.

I may have the links JW, but my memory is impaired. Give me a short time frame and I’ll search for them within it.

I’m sorry you missed my meaning, and that you need to dehumanize me. That is such ordinary behavior in this vale of tears, one of the causes of endless suffering. Saying I don’t deserve rights, actually writing those words and finding them fit to say to me is astonishing to my mind.

I’ll say this which you’ve probably heard before – consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Reality is not just emphasis on just one line of thought. It’s much, much larger than that.

And I’ll offer you this idea of Neils Bohr. It opens up a whole area of reality one might never have considered before: “The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.”

Be well, mudplanet. I wish you prolific new ideas and an abundance of good will.

No, I don’t remember the time frame, Jamie. But we were talking about Amerikan warmongering and the carnage they’ve caused around the world. That was the frame of the conversation. You provided me with some neat links that showed casualties of different conflicts. I thought I had saved the e-mail but I can’t find it so I must have deleted it by mistake.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Piss off, you horrid cow.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Piss off, you horrid cow.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Piss off, you horrid cow.

Obviously, I need to work very hard on properly aiming my wishing capabilities. They went totally over your head.

Maybe something will jog my memory. Was it a cryptome link, you recall?

No, I don’t recall. Don’t fret over it. Given the subject, I’m sure I can find plenty of info with one simple Google search.