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LOVE them cables!!! Please keep them coming. Damn! I hope the world will begin to change. But I guess we should wait for the other shoe. Are the leaders of this uprising corporatists or Fascists or could it be a real bid for social democracy?

When the truth comes out we’ll really know how Obama rolls! I’ll be honest with you… I really don’t have that much faith.

We’ll be watching, Mr President, please don’t assume we’re all stupid!

This one is easy. Take whatever the US administration is telling the public invert the meaning 180 degrees and you have the answer.
Here’s a few examples to refresh your memory:

“I’ll close Guantanamo”
“Change you can believe in”
“Transparency”
“End the wars”
“Yes we can”
“Public option”

See it’s easy once you figure out the “secret decoding ring”.
If the US government is behind this directing the script then of course it will benefit the Corporatist and Fascists.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”

This one is easy. Take whatever the US administration is telling the public invert the meaning 180 degrees and you have the answer.
Here’s a few examples to refresh your memory:

“I’ll close Guantanamo”
“Change you can believe in”
“Transparency”
“End the wars”
“Yes we can”
“Public option”

See it’s easy once you figure out the “secret decoding ring”.
If the US government is behind this directing the script then of course it will benefit the Corporatist and Fascists.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”

What would be the motive for the U.S. to support the opponents of Mubarak?

What would be the motive for the U.S. to support the opponents of Mubarak?

“What would be the motive for the U.S. to support the opponents of Mubarak?”
Short answer:
New Puppets with new strings perform better.

“What would be the motive for the U.S. to support the opponents of Mubarak?”
Short answer:
New Puppets with new strings perform better.

Best time to take control is amidst chaos, the USG specializes in destabilizing countries to the point where they can pillage.

Best time to take control is amidst chaos, the USG specializes in destabilizing countries to the point where they can pillage.

How typical of the cynical US “leadership” to play both sides of the table against each other.

How typical of the cynical US “leadership” to play both sides of the table against each other.

Boy, you guys are naive. We deal with Mubarak because we give him just as much aid as we do Israel. He keeps the peace and works with us on security projects we both believe in.

We also work with the opposition because Mubarak is dying and we don’t believe his son will be allowed to succeed him. We want to be on good terms with a democratic government, because we wouldn’t be able to with an Islamist takeover.

Now precisely what’s wrong with this? Are you feeling self-righteous? Are you feeling betrayed? Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

This ain’t no goddam video game. If the Suez Canal is closed, or if Ahmadinejad gets to put HIS puppet in place, would that make a better world for you? This ain’t beanbag. You can afford to preen about your morals, nothing’s riding on it except your own smugness. Go congratulate yourself, and we can all breathe more easily because you don’t have any responsibilites.

Once again American arrogances and there will be blow back .
This is not Americas world to play with and now they have lost all credibility among their own people and all other nations. Kama is a real bitch sometimes.

How credible is this anon sourced report from Murdochs across the pond rag?

Just wondering?

remember the “Alamo” !!!

Hey, you gotta hedge your bets. Play both sides and you can’t lose. (or win)

You certainly know something about smugness, since your entire post reeks of it. So fuckin’ what if the Suez Canal IS closed? IT DOES NOT BELONG TO US!

Mubarak’s days are numbered and Egypt is prime real estate for U.S. interests. If the U.S. is on the good side of any new regime that arises, it may keep its airbases and its access to the Suez Canal.

It is also well known that there is a strong Israeli lobby in Washington, and for Israel, a friendly Egypt is a secured southwestern border and the continued containment of Gaza.

I usually go with “Rent-A-Wreck” because while their cars are a little bit older, they’re reliable and less expensive.

If it’s wikileaks it’s disinfo. Mossad owns wikileaks

Here’s the rub and why this disinfo has been released.
Inequality In America Is Worse Than In Egypt, Tunisia Or Yemen.

Congratulations, zzjj, you have come up with the dumbest theory yet in 2011. Truly brilliant stupidity. Do you play lots of video games? If so, try to remember that reality is different.

Good analysis, lousy attitude.

How many times? Too many.

How many times? Too many.

I agree that this story is false or misleading at best.

The reason is that essentially there is no leader of the revolt, and, in theory, the problem seems to be that it is leaderless. Otherwise, they would never have gone home last night, they would have encircled the police earlier in the day and offered to join the protests or be detained for leverage, and then they should have marched to the parliament building where they would declare themselves in charge–if there were leaders. Further, it’s quite clear that so far no one knows who is leading the revolt. Also, no one knows if this is a false planted story or if this so-called someone was indeed a US asset who was taken into custody to protect him, but that in no way leads to the conclusion that the West supports the revolt.

Moreover, the West does not support the revolt, and the only reason the West would put their hand into the mix would be to try to get an upper hand on naming the next government. I can assure you that the US has no interest in a free Egypt. How do I know? The goals of the two groups are so fundamentally different that it’s impossible to contend that the US and the Egyptian people share common interests. One is interested in imperial domination and the other wants peace and security.

I agree that this story is false or misleading at best.

The reason is that essentially there is no leader of the revolt, and, in theory, the problem seems to be that it is leaderless. Otherwise, they would never have gone home last night, they would have encircled the police earlier in the day and offered to join the protests or be detained for leverage, and then they should have marched to the parliament building where they would declare themselves in charge–if there were leaders. Further, it’s quite clear that so far no one knows who is leading the revolt. Also, no one knows if this is a false planted story or if this so-called someone was indeed a US asset who was taken into custody to protect him, but that in no way leads to the conclusion that the West supports the revolt.

Moreover, the West does not support the revolt, and the only reason the West would put their hand into the mix would be to try to get an upper hand on naming the next government. I can assure you that the US has no interest in a free Egypt. How do I know? The goals of the two groups are so fundamentally different that it’s impossible to contend that the US and the Egyptian people share common interests. One is interested in imperial domination and the other wants peace and security.

I agree; zzjj, if you still believe that Wikileaks is Mossad or CIA, then you haven’t been paying attention because without Wikileaks there never would have been a Tunisian Revolution and without a Tunisian Revolution there never would be the Egyptian Revolution. That being said, I agree that causation is very difficult to ascertain, and a multitude of causes led us to today. Yet, one thing is certain, the US does not support revolution anywhere.

I agree; zzjj, if you still believe that Wikileaks is Mossad or CIA, then you haven’t been paying attention because without Wikileaks there never would have been a Tunisian Revolution and without a Tunisian Revolution there never would be the Egyptian Revolution. That being said, I agree that causation is very difficult to ascertain, and a multitude of causes led us to today. Yet, one thing is certain, the US does not support revolution anywhere.

Oil isn’t everything. Ever hear of Jesus? Remember when he is said to have said, Man does not live on bread alone. The point is, if you don’t know, that even if we think we need something, often times we really don’t. I agree: you have a horribly narrow outlook of life.

Oil isn’t everything. Ever hear of Jesus? Remember when he is said to have said, Man does not live on bread alone. The point is, if you don’t know, that even if we think we need something, often times we really don’t. I agree: you have a horribly narrow outlook of life.

Oh, by the way, what Ahmadinejad has to do with Egypt is anyone’s guess, but I guess in your brain there’s a connection somewhere.

Oh, by the way, what Ahmadinejad has to do with Egypt is anyone’s guess, but I guess in your brain there’s a connection somewhere.

I think that’s why the protesters stood sentry in front of the Egyptian Antiquities museum.

I think that’s why the protesters stood sentry in front of the Egyptian Antiquities museum.

To name the next leader. Duh.

To name the next leader. Duh.

No, Mr. Crockett, we should not remember the Alamo. The people inside the Alamo were occupiers, and the Mexican government, rightly or wrongly, removed them. By the way, I hate Texas. Yup the whole state.

No, Mr. Crockett, we should not remember the Alamo. The people inside the Alamo were occupiers, and the Mexican government, rightly or wrongly, removed them. By the way, I hate Texas. Yup the whole state.

Not all Americans are like that. Many have complained in non violent ways and voted to the best of their conscious and still the GOVT is doing stupid shit. It’s not the little people who’s votes really don’t count. You should not generalize all of them.

Not all Americans are like that. Many have complained in non violent ways and voted to the best of their conscious and still the GOVT is doing stupid shit. It’s not the little people who’s votes really don’t count. You should not generalize all of them.

This story is pure propaganda. It’s all lies attempting to downplay the importance of the demonstrations, and pretend that they are evidence of an already existing democratic opposition in Egypt which the US supports. But it is equally intended to create tensions between pro- and anti-US sections of the demonstrators. An attempt to create internal divisions that bring the revolt to an end.

This story is pure propaganda. It’s all lies attempting to downplay the importance of the demonstrations, and pretend that they are evidence of an already existing democratic opposition in Egypt which the US supports. But it is equally intended to create tensions between pro- and anti-US sections of the demonstrators. An attempt to create internal divisions that bring the revolt to an end.

This story is pure propaganda. It’s all lies attempting to downplay the importance of the demonstrations, and pretend that they are evidence of an already existing democratic opposition in Egypt which the US supports. But it is equally intended to create tensions between pro- and anti-US sections of the demonstrators. An attempt to create internal divisions that bring the revolt to an end.

This story is pure propaganda. It’s all lies attempting to downplay the importance of the demonstrations, and pretend that they are evidence of an already existing democratic opposition in Egypt which the US supports. But it is equally intended to create tensions between pro- and anti-US sections of the demonstrators. An attempt to create internal divisions that bring the revolt to an end.

I am not buying this bullshit.If Mubarak falls,the US will be praised for having secretly supported the “opposition”. If Mubarak stays, the US will continue to pour billions of dollars into his dictatorship, while pretending it also did a lot to change the nature of the regime.

It is also a wonderful way to discredit & divide the Egyptian opposition by claiming it was supported and financed by the US. Once again, ask yourself, who benefits from this?

I am not buying this bullshit.If Mubarak falls,the US will be praised for having secretly supported the “opposition”. If Mubarak stays, the US will continue to pour billions of dollars into his dictatorship, while pretending it also did a lot to change the nature of the regime.

It is also a wonderful way to discredit & divide the Egyptian opposition by claiming it was supported and financed by the US. Once again, ask yourself, who benefits from this?

Any counter argument you might want to share with the rest of us? . the reference to video games was a projection?, you `d better stick to Playstation, obviously international affairs & geopolitics, not your cup of tea…..

Any counter argument you might want to share with the rest of us? . the reference to video games was a projection?, you `d better stick to Playstation, obviously international affairs & geopolitics, not your cup of tea…..

I pity you. But I wish you well.

I pity you. But I wish you well.

That Hertz.
Drive on drive on

That Hertz.
Drive on drive on

Oh, so that’s why Biden has insisted on Mubarak staying in power.

WikiLeaks is nothing but a pathetic PSYOP and should be ignored.

Oh, so that’s why Biden has insisted on Mubarak staying in power.

WikiLeaks is nothing but a pathetic PSYOP and should be ignored.

You’re a complete and utter idiot.

Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds was completely ignored by the US press while WikiLeaks was hyped beyond all comprehension in what was a concerted and deliberate PR campaign. If the US government would want the story buried, to would have been buried.

If this isn’t painfully obvious, you have shit for brains.

GORDON DUFF: BUSTED – WIKILEAKS WORKING FOR ISRAEL
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/08/gordon-duff-busted-wikileaks-working-for-israel/

“Reports have come in today, tying Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, directly to Israeli intelligence and “Israel friendly” media outlets. We are told Assange, while at a Geneva meeting, agreed to allow Israel to select or censor all Wikileak output.”

You’re a complete and utter idiot.

Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds was completely ignored by the US press while WikiLeaks was hyped beyond all comprehension in what was a concerted and deliberate PR campaign. If the US government would want the story buried, to would have been buried.

If this isn’t painfully obvious, you have shit for brains.

GORDON DUFF: BUSTED – WIKILEAKS WORKING FOR ISRAEL
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/08/gordon-duff-busted-wikileaks-working-for-israel/

“Reports have come in today, tying Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, directly to Israeli intelligence and “Israel friendly” media outlets. We are told Assange, while at a Geneva meeting, agreed to allow Israel to select or censor all Wikileak output.”

Ridiculous article. I would expect the US Empire to try to manipulate and co-opt various anti-Mubarak factions, maybe with a meeting here or a bag of cash there. But the US and its apartheid friend Israel know what they want for the Middle East. And it’s not democratic self-determination.

Ridiculous article. I would expect the US Empire to try to manipulate and co-opt various anti-Mubarak factions, maybe with a meeting here or a bag of cash there. But the US and its apartheid friend Israel know what they want for the Middle East. And it’s not democratic self-determination.

What a ridiculous article. Sure, some arm of the US govt could have a meeting there, make a phone call there, drop a bag of cash – anything to manipulate and co-opt a democratic movement in Egypt. But there’s no support coming from the US Empire for democratic self-determination in the Arab world. I mean, even with all those caveats… there’s virtually NOTHING to this story.

What a ridiculous article. Sure, some arm of the US govt could have a meeting there, make a phone call there, drop a bag of cash – anything to manipulate and co-opt a democratic movement in Egypt. But there’s no support coming from the US Empire for democratic self-determination in the Arab world. I mean, even with all those caveats… there’s virtually NOTHING to this story.

Jimbo you need to read your history book the Mexican government granted Mexican citizenship and land grants to the Americans. Then after a period of time Santa Anna issued a proclamation that the land grants and there Mexican citizenship were void and all Americans must leave Texas. The defenders of the Alamo had the right to defend there property and holdings.The rest is history as they say.

Jimbo you need to read your history book the Mexican government granted Mexican citizenship and land grants to the Americans. Then after a period of time Santa Anna issued a proclamation that the land grants and there Mexican citizenship were void and all Americans must leave Texas. The defenders of the Alamo had the right to defend there property and holdings.The rest is history as they say.

This Article Matches what William Engdahl – author of the book ‘Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the new world order.’
said two days ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oddzA_R-zaU

Your right and I apologize. I did not write this correctly. I did not explain my thoughts as I generalized and did not mean all Americans. I was referring to ONLY the Corporations and Political leaders that control America and guide her now on the pathway to hell for all of us. My emotions and outrage got the best of me. You are right and I stand corrected.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. This is much different from the fake “uprising” in Iran, for many, obvious reasons.

But I do not buy that the U.S. caused this, nor do I buy Assange’s claims that he was somehow responsible. The U.S. has young “activists” in all countries. That is who Obama once was, years ago. This is all the memo says.

I think Assange is looking to boost his image, not being completely credible, in the U.S. And why would Bolton, former UN guy during Bush, be urging US to send in troops?

I am SURE that the US was not all that concerned with releasing political prisoners, having used Egypt as a torture-rendition helper. And The Telegraph breaking it? Really?

I had to also laugh at the Saudi-owned Fox News insisting it had no reference to Israel.

No, this was feared but not caused. Look for a lot of people trying to get out front and claim credit, and try to use the situation to their advantage.

Thus, the trickyness begins. God help Egypt.

[...] US secretly backed Egyptian protest leaders, The Raw Story, January 28, 2011, by Nathan Diebenow, excerpt quoted verbatim: For the last three [...]

Their property included human slaves which was unacceptable to Mexico. The Texicans would not swear allegiance, then claimed independence from Mexico, which was unacceptable. The defenders of the Alamo did not have the right to defend their property and holdings, which is why they were attacked. All this occurred in an environment of general political chaos.
Remember Fredonia !

I am no Obama apologist but I think you’re overstating the lies and bending the truth slightly. It’s not about hopping the anti-Obama bandwagon – it’s about holding him accountable.

Technically he actually tried to close Gitmo. But it doesn’t matter, I always thought closing Gitmo was the stupidest thing ever. Closing it has nothing to do with the actions that made it famous. If our people continue to torture and rendition around the world, the closure is just an attempt to defray the “humanity” expense of the actions.

He has certainly been more transparent than Bush43, Clinton, DaddyBush or Reagan but there is a need for more transparency – as there always is the need because with transparency, the People have more power and with transparency and shone light the roaches scatter.

He never said he would end all wars, he said he would end it in Iraq – which he did technically. However, our soldiers will be there for a long time coming.

The one definite truth about the lies is the public option. Obama has been a corporate wh0re to the insurance companies as well as the banking industry. He did say he would have health care with a public option. Health care is WORTHLESS without the public option. I think every state should also have a banking public option as well, but that’s another issue. I believe Obama once described the public option as suspenders for belted pants. I would completely disagree and say that the public option is actually the pants.

I am no Obama apologist but I think you’re overstating the lies and bending the truth slightly. It’s not about hopping the anti-Obama bandwagon – it’s about holding him accountable.

Technically he actually tried to close Gitmo. But it doesn’t matter, I always thought closing Gitmo was the stupidest thing ever. Closing it has nothing to do with the actions that made it famous. If our people continue to torture and rendition around the world, the closure is just an attempt to defray the “humanity” expense of the actions.

He has certainly been more transparent than Bush43, Clinton, DaddyBush or Reagan but there is a need for more transparency – as there always is the need because with transparency, the People have more power and with transparency and shone light the roaches scatter.

He never said he would end all wars, he said he would end it in Iraq – which he did technically. However, our soldiers will be there for a long time coming.

The one definite truth about the lies is the public option. Obama has been a corporate wh0re to the insurance companies as well as the banking industry. He did say he would have health care with a public option. Health care is WORTHLESS without the public option. I think every state should also have a banking public option as well, but that’s another issue. I believe Obama once described the public option as suspenders for belted pants. I would completely disagree and say that the public option is actually the pants.

I am no Obama apologist but I think you’re overstating the lies and bending the truth slightly. It’s not about hopping the anti-Obama bandwagon – it’s about holding him accountable.

Technically he actually tried to close Gitmo. But it doesn’t matter, I always thought closing Gitmo was the stupidest thing ever. Closing it has nothing to do with the actions that made it famous. If our people continue to torture and rendition around the world, the closure is just an attempt to defray the “humanity” expense of the actions.

He has certainly been more transparent than Bush43, Clinton, DaddyBush or Reagan but there is a need for more transparency – as there always is the need because with transparency, the People have more power and with transparency and shone light the roaches scatter.

He never said he would end all wars, he said he would end it in Iraq – which he did technically. However, our soldiers will be there for a long time coming.

The one definite truth about the lies is the public option. Obama has been a corporate wh0re to the insurance companies as well as the banking industry. He did say he would have health care with a public option. Health care is WORTHLESS without the public option. I think every state should also have a banking public option as well, but that’s another issue. I believe Obama once described the public option as suspenders for belted pants. I would completely disagree and say that the public option is actually the pants.

This isn’t true. There are many right wing organizations masquerading as left wing organizations like the International Center for Non-Violent conflict that are supported by people like Michael Ledeen, a neo-con who advocate non violent overthrow of Egypt and just about everywhere including Venezuela.

Just because an activist attended a meeting means nothing.

It is true that elements of the U.S. are working in contradiction with each other, for example the CIA and State department. Their goals however are always dim and never are intended to result in anything resembling democracy.

The United States overriding and overall policy is militaristic control and less so on financial control of countries it is interested in.

It is to the advantage of US financial interests that Mubarak stay in power. instability in the Mid East produces problems with oil, problems for Israel.

This idea that the US promoted the uprising is awful propaganda headlined on Drudge. The US always wants credit for everything on both sides.

This isn’t true. There are many right wing organizations masquerading as left wing organizations like the International Center for Non-Violent conflict that are supported by people like Michael Ledeen, a neo-con who advocate non violent overthrow of Egypt and just about everywhere including Venezuela.

Just because an activist attended a meeting means nothing.

It is true that elements of the U.S. are working in contradiction with each other, for example the CIA and State department. Their goals however are always dim and never are intended to result in anything resembling democracy.

The United States overriding and overall policy is militaristic control and less so on financial control of countries it is interested in.

It is to the advantage of US financial interests that Mubarak stay in power. instability in the Mid East produces problems with oil, problems for Israel.

This idea that the US promoted the uprising is awful propaganda headlined on Drudge. The US always wants credit for everything on both sides.

This isn’t true. There are many right wing organizations masquerading as left wing organizations like the International Center for Non-Violent conflict that are supported by people like Michael Ledeen, a neo-con who advocate non violent overthrow of Egypt and just about everywhere including Venezuela.

Just because an activist attended a meeting means nothing.

It is true that elements of the U.S. are working in contradiction with each other, for example the CIA and State department. Their goals however are always dim and never are intended to result in anything resembling democracy.

The United States overriding and overall policy is militaristic control and less so on financial control of countries it is interested in.

It is to the advantage of US financial interests that Mubarak stay in power. instability in the Mid East produces problems with oil, problems for Israel.

This idea that the US promoted the uprising is awful propaganda headlined on Drudge. The US always wants credit for everything on both sides.

I don’t think it’s PSYOPS….I just think it’s a cable. And just because it’s a secret cable doesn’t mean anyting other than a person wrote the cable. It doesn’t define policy.

The problem with all the leaked cables is it’s ignorant diplomats writing stuff they don’t really understand and then it gets interpreted as being policy.

I don’t think it’s PSYOPS….I just think it’s a cable. And just because it’s a secret cable doesn’t mean anyting other than a person wrote the cable. It doesn’t define policy.

The problem with all the leaked cables is it’s ignorant diplomats writing stuff they don’t really understand and then it gets interpreted as being policy.

I don’t think it’s PSYOPS….I just think it’s a cable. And just because it’s a secret cable doesn’t mean anyting other than a person wrote the cable. It doesn’t define policy.

The problem with all the leaked cables is it’s ignorant diplomats writing stuff they don’t really understand and then it gets interpreted as being policy.

How about national elections? With Ranked Choice Voting! Let the majority decide, not the demonstrators and not the old regime. The UN ought to set up fair elections. For Haiti as well.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

How about national elections? With Ranked Choice Voting! Let the majority decide, not the demonstrators and not the old regime. The UN ought to set up fair elections. For Haiti as well.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

How about national elections? With Ranked Choice Voting! Let the majority decide, not the demonstrators and not the old regime. The UN ought to set up fair elections. For Haiti as well.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

Hahahahahahaha!!!

Hahahahahahaha!!!

Hahahahahahaha!!!

Its called covering your bet.

If one corrupt government gets toppled you replace it with a new corrupt government.

Its called covering your bet.

If one corrupt government gets toppled you replace it with a new corrupt government.

I’m not surprised! Our government has a long history of meddling in other countries affairs. I am ashamed of our government. Even though I know all governments work behind the scenes for various reasons and to various degrees. I think our government long ago crossed the line and is not the government I grew up with. It has steadily gotten worse eroding our freedoms and increasing our meddling. We need to bring all of our troops home from all foreign countries. Stop paying foreign countries to be our friends and concentrate on our own problems rather than world dominance.

I’m not surprised! Our government has a long history of meddling in other countries affairs. I am ashamed of our government. Even though I know all governments work behind the scenes for various reasons and to various degrees. I think our government long ago crossed the line and is not the government I grew up with. It has steadily gotten worse eroding our freedoms and increasing our meddling. We need to bring all of our troops home from all foreign countries. Stop paying foreign countries to be our friends and concentrate on our own problems rather than world dominance.

Remember there were many northern states in the “Union” were slave states even during the war, and the Lincoln proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederacy not the Union.

This is a frequently overlooked part of civil war history.

Remember there were many northern states in the “Union” were slave states even during the war, and the Lincoln proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederacy not the Union.

This is a frequently overlooked part of civil war history.

Why is one European colonial power better or more righteous than another?

Why is one European colonial power better or more righteous than another?

Peterlawrence,
I voted for President Obama. I am not bashing him, but merely pointing out the betrayal. The promises made but kicked to the curb after the polls closed.
Is he better than the other choices presented at the time, YES. But he has proven to be a politician first, and a man of principles second. As he is the figurehead of our government the culture starts at the front office.

Peterlawrence,
I voted for President Obama. I am not bashing him, but merely pointing out the betrayal. The promises made but kicked to the curb after the polls closed.
Is he better than the other choices presented at the time, YES. But he has proven to be a politician first, and a man of principles second. As he is the figurehead of our government the culture starts at the front office.

Fact is probably in your favor…

Fact is probably in your favor…

Heck, they play all sides of the Electorate against each other…

Heck, they play all sides of the Electorate against each other…

When I was a kid I wore a hat like yours…

But my rifle only shot pellets.

Now things have changed..

When I was a kid I wore a hat like yours…

But my rifle only shot pellets.

Now things have changed..

The article (and the cable) refer to this young man as belonging to the group April 6. The big power among the dissenters is the Muslim Brotherhood – and it has been suggested that they are a source of worry for Israel (and others in the Middle East).

Does anybody know: Are April 6′s members primarily Sunni or Shiite?

Is it likely that, given Mubarak’s advancing years, the US is trying to choose between possible ‘successors’?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,742186,00.html#ref=nlint

The article (and the cable) refer to this young man as belonging to the group April 6. The big power among the dissenters is the Muslim Brotherhood – and it has been suggested that they are a source of worry for Israel (and others in the Middle East).

Does anybody know: Are April 6′s members primarily Sunni or Shiite?

Is it likely that, given Mubarak’s advancing years, the US is trying to choose between possible ‘successors’?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,742186,00.html#ref=nlint

You think Mubarak is just going to let the leader of a revolution or protest walk into their parliament buildings and say, “We are in charge” and he’ll just shrug and go home? That never happens, dictators do not relinquish power willingly. Also, as for the US, it wouldn’t be the first time a country has played both sides, especially if they thought regime change was inevitable. It would actually be fairly cunning, which is unusual for US foreign policy.

You think Mubarak is just going to let the leader of a revolution or protest walk into their parliament buildings and say, “We are in charge” and he’ll just shrug and go home? That never happens, dictators do not relinquish power willingly. Also, as for the US, it wouldn’t be the first time a country has played both sides, especially if they thought regime change was inevitable. It would actually be fairly cunning, which is unusual for US foreign policy.

No argument… he has certainly failed. Obama is the best Republican corporatist president we’ve had in a while.

No argument… he has certainly failed. Obama is the best Republican corporatist president we’ve had in a while.

Anyone who si more corporate friendly. Ask yourself, What would be the motive for the U.S. to support Saddam Hussein? They did until he stopped doing their bidding.

Anyone who si more corporate friendly. Ask yourself, What would be the motive for the U.S. to support Saddam Hussein? They did until he stopped doing their bidding.

Actually, the US only gives Egypt 9.5% of foreign aid vs 12.5% for Israel. This makes Egypt the number 2 recipient of foreign aid. Thank you, you can rant on now.

Actually, the US only gives Egypt 9.5% of foreign aid vs 12.5% for Israel. This makes Egypt the number 2 recipient of foreign aid. Thank you, you can rant on now.

SECRETLY ?
IT WAS EXPECTED !

SECRETLY ?
IT WAS EXPECTED !

[...] US secretly backed Egyptian protest leaders [...]

Im sure there were additional issues on both sides but i honestly did not think slaves was one. If you look at what is going on in this country with labor and outsourcing work.
one could think that slavery could be coming back in favor. I personally believe it is wrong but the unions have sold out to the government.

Im sure there were additional issues on both sides but i honestly did not think slaves was one. If you look at what is going on in this country with labor and outsourcing work.
one could think that slavery could be coming back in favor. I personally believe it is wrong but the unions have sold out to the government.

I agree with you that it’s best if America would bring troops home and disband them. However, how old are you? What America did you grow up in that didn’t meddle in other countries? Before the Americans toppled the Persian government in 1953? Before the Americans marched into Mexico to suppress their revolution in 1916? Attacked the Spanish Empire world wide in the 1890s? 1840s, 1820s, 1810s when America meddled in Mexico, Haiti, Canada? Or through the 19th Century while America relentlessly attacked sovereign Native American Nations? How old are you that you remember a time America didn’t meddle in other countries’ business?

I agree with you that it’s best if America would bring troops home and disband them. However, how old are you? What America did you grow up in that didn’t meddle in other countries? Before the Americans toppled the Persian government in 1953? Before the Americans marched into Mexico to suppress their revolution in 1916? Attacked the Spanish Empire world wide in the 1890s? 1840s, 1820s, 1810s when America meddled in Mexico, Haiti, Canada? Or through the 19th Century while America relentlessly attacked sovereign Native American Nations? How old are you that you remember a time America didn’t meddle in other countries’ business?

go Wikileaks! expose more hypocrisy! is the US on the right side for once? lol

I don’t think I have posted much on this, other than to mock Biden and his rather idiotic comments, because I didn’t quite know what to think about it and I have learned after being mocked so many times for claiming CIA involvement in things that it is best to get some evidence before offering this. At the same time this seemed to be somewhat different but it was far too soon to tell. Two days ago a close friend and I were talking and he asked me what I thought was going on in Egypt and I said that it was really too early to tell. My exact words were “$50,000 would probably buy quite a crowd in Egypt.”

Of course, there was a certain level of facetiousness in that comment because at that point I had no real evidence other than the other claims I have made here and elsewhere about what I considered to be the level of CIA involvement in the “popular” uprising that was quickly quelled in Iran. But I do know that wherever there is an undercurrent of discontent in any country that the US feels that it needs to clampdown on, the CIA will be there doing what they can to bring that discontent to the surface to, if not more, to demonstrate to the local officials who is really in charge and whose needs need to be reckoned with.

Obviously, Mubarak got the message on some level. He capitulated to the “will of the people” which means the will of the CIA in this case and the US government. Think about that! Egypt is part of the US empire. Or in the words of some craven dolts here, who perceive things far differently than I do, part of the Israeli empire.

What everyone should by now realize is that hundreds of these people where basically led to the slaughter, to torture and to long term imprisonment by the work of the CIA in their “autonomous” nation. And the other thing is whenever you see these kinds of “popular” or “grassroots” uprisings be careful, the CIA is generally somewhere in the background distributing money and weapons to a select and trusted few who are pretending to be something they are not for their own enrichment. And the US government is fully aware of this and is capable of using it for their own craven political policy and power goals.

The reason I was suspicious was because of all the places where I would think that the “people” or a “popular” uprising might be most in accord with the needs of the the people would be in Saudi Arabia, but there the people weren’t getting any impetus from anything that was happening in Northern Africa, nor were the people in under Muammar al-Gaddafi’s rule in Libya. Since he recently opened his country to American oil company exploration and exploitation we haven’t heard a peep about what a ruthless dictator he is recently have we? Coincidence, I think not! And this whole thing spreading to Yemen and not Saudi Arabia. Another coincidence. Probably not. Anyway these were the things that were bubbling in my preconscious and probably unconscious mind as I struggled to understand without forcing it, for the last few days as things seemed to have spread from Tunisia to Egypt. An as can be seen here I was as much concerned with what was happening as what wasn’t happening and the locations of each.

No, it is important not to believe anything you see or read until more information is available and to see what is happening. Long before Iraq became the headquarters for the largest contingent of CIA agents in the world the place with by far the most CIA agents was Khartoum Sudan which isn’t all that far from Egypt, relatively speaking. So be careful when you hear the words “popular uprising” or “people’s rebellion” things are rarely what they seem to the mainstream or even the radical media on the ground.

Don’t get swept up in these things. Read a novel from 1955 on the early days in Vietnam called “The Quiet American” by Graham Greene. It was finally made into a movie in the early years of this century (2002, I think) starring Michael Caine, but the book is much better. It’s fiction–all fiction. But very close to the way things seem to occur over and over again around the world, wherever the CIA has a station. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s simply the use of money, force, and power for geopolitical advantage.

Victory to WE the people!!

Noticing that there seem to be conflicting cables cited in this story, it might be useful to keep in mind that we don’t really know the chain of custody for the information, any of the wiki cables, or even all of them, could be falsified of released deliberately by someone who would gain by it. Do you think anyone would feel it advanced their cause if suddenly there was a leak showing we were on the side of the good guys all along?

I’ve often wondered if CIA really stood for “Creating Instant Anarchy” when it comes to foreign policy involvement.

Do you see wikileaks as an Israeli circus with no elephants yet?
Bibi has been very busy selling wikileaks on Haaretz.

So, if Wiki says Israel bad, then it’s true. If Wiki says US good then it’s bullshit?

So you do really agree that Assange is a Zionist CIA operative?

Maybe we’re not completely bad

Yes, since Bill C.

I guess I didn’t express my self very well. I meant it has progressively gotten worse. Escalated. I know countries do this, but it just seems we are in every country now a days all in the name of greed and world dominance.

Lots of havering, a large dose of paranoia, but no rationale.

Haaretz is left-leaning, and if there’s an Israeli-written article criticizing Israel’s government, look for it in Haaretz.

Sorry, I don’t buy this at all. For what’s really happening, go to http://www.zerohedge.com/ and http://maxkeiser.com/ on a regular basis and you’ll discover the headline to this article is nothing more than dis-information.

Highly unlikely at this early stage and due to the vast number of released cables…pretty much everything got buried anyway. Although in the future I would expect it.

Actually, Obama is LESS transparent than Bush:
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+transparent+least
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+transparent+foi

Yeah curse those damn cynic bastards… The jerks!

i used to think they were left-leaning, but i wonder since any comment i make there that is even the slightest bit critical of Israel gets deleted…they remind me of the Fulffington Post now…

I don’t know about their comments format – something I ought to look at one day. However, my statement referred to their articles, and I stand by it.

There’s another foreign paper where I used to fight neocon trolls. Their comments section isn’t monitored at all: all you need to do to get a comment deleted is to report it. Everything ‘reported’ is automatically deleted. As far as I could determine, there was no human intervention whatever. Several others who posted there came to the same conclusion. (Of course, the neocons took full advantage of this.)

Is it possible that something similar goes on at Haaretz? (I’ve no evidence, no knowledge about it – and that wasn’t a hypothesis. Just something you might want to investigate, if you continue to post comments there.)

The Alamo was part of Mexico at the time it was attacked by Santa Ana.
Mexico had just won its independence from Spain.
The anglo Texans were basically trying to strip the Mexican state of Texas from the nation of Mexico. Which is what happened. Great for the Mexico hating anglos, not so great for the resident Mexicans. Long term disaster for the aboriginal population, that gave Mexico fits.

Sorry for the cut and paste but check this, Granted this is from Wiki but it is closest to the history I was taught.
[begin snip]
When Mexico won its independence from Spain in 1821, Mexican Texas was part of the new nation. To encourage settlement, Mexican authorities allowed organized immigration from the United States, and by 1834, over 30,000 Anglos lived in Texas,[1] compared to only 7,800 Mexicans.[2]

After Santa Anna’s dissolution of the Constitution of 1824, issues such as lack of access to courts, the militarization of the region’s government (e.g., response to Saltillo-Monclova problem) and self-defense issues resulting in the confrontation in Gonzales, public sentiment turned towards revolution. Santa Anna’s invasion of the territory after his putting down the rebellion in Zacatecas provoked the conflict of 1836. The Texian forces fought and won the Texas Revolution in 1835–36. Texas now became an independent nation, the Republic of Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_history
[snip]
The Battle of the Alamo (February 23 – March 6, 1836) was a pivotal event in the Texas Revolution. Following a 13-day siege, Mexican troops under President General Antonio López de Santa Anna launched an assault on the Alamo Mission near San Antonio de Béxar (modern-day San Antonio, Texas). All but two of the Texian defenders were killed. Santa Anna’s perceived cruelty during the battle inspired many Texians—both Texas settlers and adventurers from the United States—to join the Texian Army. Buoyed by a desire for revenge, the Texians defeated the Mexican Army at the Battle of San Jacinto, on April 21, 1836, ending the revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo
[end snip]

If this story is true, although Wikileaks is an Israeli intelligence operation, this could possibly mean there are some anti-Zionist ‘good guys’ still in our government operating in the shadows. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking.

Wow, that’s about as far out a crazy conspiracy theory as I’ve ever heard.

I’d love to hear your logic (never mind any proof) of your crazy accusations.

Wow, that’s about as far out a crazy conspiracy theory as I’ve ever heard.

I’d love to hear your logic (never mind any proof) of your crazy accusations.

Where have you been, dude?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wikileaks+Mossad

Where have you been, dude?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wikileaks+Mossad

nice link ,thanks

nice link ,thanks

nice link ,thanks

more a stooge than an “operative”. IMO

more a stooge than an “operative”. IMO

more a stooge than an “operative”. IMO

no..Harretz has moderators…yesterday when i posted a comment, it did say something about it going to moderation and there were no other comments …i came back 1/2 hr later and there were 15 comments and mine wasn’t one of them…2 hrs later it still had not posted so i gave up…i used to read stories there a lot, but it seems to me like they are moving to the right in the past 6 months or so…

no..Harretz has moderators…yesterday when i posted a comment, it did say something about it going to moderation and there were no other comments …i came back 1/2 hr later and there were 15 comments and mine wasn’t one of them…2 hrs later it still had not posted so i gave up…i used to read stories there a lot, but it seems to me like they are moving to the right in the past 6 months or so…

no..Harretz has moderators…yesterday when i posted a comment, it did say something about it going to moderation and there were no other comments …i came back 1/2 hr later and there were 15 comments and mine wasn’t one of them…2 hrs later it still had not posted so i gave up…i used to read stories there a lot, but it seems to me like they are moving to the right in the past 6 months or so…

If you can’t think of more than one country at a time, it might be painful. However, there’s a big power struggle going on in the Middle East, and it doesn’t really include Israel. Egypt and Saudi Arabia both think of themselves as the most powerful country in the region, and Iran wants to supplant both of them. That’s why Saudi Arabia has been begging us to bomb Iran.

Hezbollah was created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hamas by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. What happens after the dust settles in Egypt affects the balance of power among the Arab states considerably.

If you can’t think of more than one country at a time, it might be painful. However, there’s a big power struggle going on in the Middle East, and it doesn’t really include Israel. Egypt and Saudi Arabia both think of themselves as the most powerful country in the region, and Iran wants to supplant both of them. That’s why Saudi Arabia has been begging us to bomb Iran.

Hezbollah was created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hamas by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. What happens after the dust settles in Egypt affects the balance of power among the Arab states considerably.

If you can’t think of more than one country at a time, it might be painful. However, there’s a big power struggle going on in the Middle East, and it doesn’t really include Israel. Egypt and Saudi Arabia both think of themselves as the most powerful country in the region, and Iran wants to supplant both of them. That’s why Saudi Arabia has been begging us to bomb Iran.

Hezbollah was created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hamas by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. What happens after the dust settles in Egypt affects the balance of power among the Arab states considerably.

Information and focus. Broad when necessary and narrow when appropriate. Optimally we can do both.

I wasn’t talking about oil or a philosophy of life, just what’s going on.

To your point, Jesus said, “Sell all you have and give everything to the poor.” When the Koch Brothers do that, we’ll have a real miracle.

Information and focus. Broad when necessary and narrow when appropriate. Optimally we can do both.

I wasn’t talking about oil or a philosophy of life, just what’s going on.

To your point, Jesus said, “Sell all you have and give everything to the poor.” When the Koch Brothers do that, we’ll have a real miracle.

Information and focus. Broad when necessary and narrow when appropriate. Optimally we can do both.

I wasn’t talking about oil or a philosophy of life, just what’s going on.

To your point, Jesus said, “Sell all you have and give everything to the poor.” When the Koch Brothers do that, we’ll have a real miracle.

No, but it will destroy a lot of international trade, and that will result in businesses going under and more Americans losing jobs.

Have trouble following that?

Three years, huh? Who was President when this first happened????

I see. Have you ever been in contact with any moderators? It’s just software that’s telling you it’s going to the moderators. (Well, you know that.)

I’ll take your word you’ve looked into it. I’ve no reason to doubt you. I don’t go to the Haaretz site, just come across refs and reprints occasionally.

I’ve had that happen to me at The Hill. (A dung pile of neocon loonies commenting there, in case you’re not familiar with it.)

Is that a member of “America’s favorite breed” pictured there?

So if the US had really pushed for democracy, instead of making pretty speeches about it and doing the opposite, and made it happened, then none of this would have happened. You see how dictatorships are so inherently unstable and bad for the world.

nah…it was just a boilerplate message…my last 3 posts never say the light of day,and they all had very mildly stated criticism of Israel, no profanity, nothing bad at all…the Zionists do like to get control of news forums…they did it at Digg, Huff post, all the major Israeli news sites..and that’s not conspiracy theory either, it’s fact …becoming a moderator is the easiest way to control the message in the forums…

RS: This headline is garbage! No where in that cable can I find ‘support’ for rebels in any official capacity! Contact, yes. Support? I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he’s in jail is b/c he was turned in by the US!

Mubarak has been our boy for a long time. Why would we be behind democracy?