my god, is there no limit to how low american politicians will go…yes most of the absolute absurd shit is from repblicans, but please. i just cant get over how messed up these peoples brains are…like every single thing that they fight for is for the bad…well maybe one of their daughters will get softly coerced and raped by some prick then they will understand…but then again they have the money to shuffle her off to some resort clinic to have it taken care of out of public sight…you know, all the talk of violent rhetoric on behalf of the republicans is starting to seep in. I am getting to the point where i want to see them gunned down, i want to see them marred and destroyed. and if i believed in a god, i think he or she would want the same…pigs, bloody pigs the lot of them…america, you seriously need help

the repuggs redefine rape every time they open their mouths. they have no problem with raping us they just can’t understand why we won’t admit that we like it.

So, does this mean that GOP politicians might call on Sweden to drop the extradition of Assange. Surely, he did not commit rape according to the new GOP definition of rape – not that I agree with their definition, but they should at least have the minimum decency to be consistent.

The bill has to pass the Senate. Senate Democrats should place a hold on the bill or refuse to take it up until the rape definition is redefined to include statutory rape. Otherwise, such a law could actually run afoul of the 10th Amendment, as defining it is not a federal power.

There really is no low to which these people will not sink.

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forcible rape? so lets see…. statutory rape… out. date rape? is that out? how about if the person says “Yeah lets fuck” and then changes his or her mind….. is that out?

for every neanderthal who voted for these sub humans in the last election all I have to say is you got what you paid for.

I don’t supposed it crossed their minds that paying for an abortion is far cheaper than paying for the upkeep, clothing and education of wards of the state.

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You do realize you used the word “minds”, in a sentence where you are questioning the actions of people who don’t possess them……..

Maybe framing it in terms of money is not such a good idea. I’d rather not see human lives compared on the basis of their monetary value, thank you.

All I know is that if this bill goes through, then I want all churches to not have their tax exempt status anymore.
Democracy is lost, theocracy has moved in under the guise of the GOP…

Who cares…
They’ve been chipping away at womans rights for decades with connivance by ‘our side’ to create a two-tiered system of rights that ‘our side’ then exploit for partisan purposes.
If our side thought it was a right, then they would have stood up long ago, instead of bringing us to this point where Christian cavemen get to stumble around with vague legal language limiting the poor’s right to access anything. Now that more people are poor, the Democrats move further to the Right to avoid that constituency because they can’t offer them anything more than whatever the Republican is saying.

This is going to be two years of purely symbolic votes like this. The filthy Republican House will pass all kinds of garbage like this and health repeal, etc. so they can go on record for the religious mental patients who put them in office. But Americans are smart enough to see through this and will put Dems back in the majority in 2012– just kidding about that last part. We’re doomed.

Got nothing to do with God or religion. Pro-lifers are another version of the Taliban, just westernized.

What the GOP is doing is making sure that only the rich can afford abortions.

GO ahead Republicans – show us all your “highest” priorities. Does ANYONE remember any Republican, or T-Party Republican, campaigning on the priorities they have actually put forth in front of the house of representatives? Such as Health Care Repeal, and now this redefinition of rape?

Way I remember it, all they talked about was jobs…jobs….jobs. Said they heard the American people. When are people going to wake up, on both sides of the aisle, and realize that the day AFTER you secure their job by voting for them, they are gonna bend you over, and do what ever they want?

GOP = Don’t get sick, but if you do die quickly. Abortion is a health care issue, not a God issue.

I really wish the Supreme Court would go ahead and turn over Roe V. Wade. Because then, what you would see is that these stupid politicians would have absolutely NOTHING to talk about during debates, campaigns, etc. Then they would be forced to talk about real issues that effect every day lives.

I mean, I know that abortion is a serious issue – but is it something that effects your every day life, like not having a job, or, the bailouts, or, the war(s), or, social security?

Think about it logically – and you will see that I am right on this.

If you wish that America become a third world nation, you will vote for the GOP. Nothing about this faction is worth noting.

Regarding the Guy Fawkes avatar: V for Vendetta was a great movie- haven’t read the graphic novel– and the Guy Fawkes imagery was used in a righteous struggle against a right-wing totalitarian regime, which is great, and these masks are always present at anti-war demonstrations and good stuff like that, but Guy Fawkes was a Catholic terrorist. No offense to the Catholic rank and file– some of my best friends and wives have been Catholic, but that church is poison and I can’t do Guy Fawkes. I guess I’m just pointing that out to people who don’t know the history.

A psychopathic rapist is going to love this new definition. Redefining rape is a pro-rapist policy. The GOP are actively supporting rapists.

It could mean that unless she’s beaten battered and blue with tie marks on her wrists and a few knife stabs – it won’t be classed as ‘proper rape.’

I feel like my civil rights are being forcibly raped by the republicans every day. What clinic can I go to obtain THIS kind of abortion? Thier actions on my person are most certainly NOT CONSENSUAL.

Forcible Rape……..Is that Like Deadly Murder, or is this more of the Neo-Con/Christian Right sophistry in play.
No means No
Rape is Rape.
Period !!!

Wow. Does any intelligent person think the republican party is about anything other than money?

Great way to the the child molesters and rapist vote and soon rape will be legal. It seems even some female Law Makers support rape but most likely for a pride. Seems like elected official will do or vote for anything for the right price. As the US demands countries give woman rights, it seems the US is going backward. At lease the Church is clear to rape kids and still preach the world of God and get those big donations.

How any woman could vote REpublican is beyond me. Even if you are against abortion, these lying fucks who claim to want to “stay our of your business”, seem to spend a lot of time doing just the opposite. And I’m sure what they are doing will dramatically help reduce the deficit.

The RW Repubs are showing their “True Colors.”

If you are old, white, and male, then everything goes.

I’m a woman, so I care very much that they’re chipping away at my rights.

I can’t believe you are advocating overturning Roe v. Wade for the sake of better debates. If you knew someone who had been raped, I can assure you that you would be disgusted by what you just wrote. I know I am.

Congress, however, should end all funding for abortion on-demand. The kinds being debated here total about 2 percent of all abortions (mother’s life, or sex crimes).

How about we redefine sodomy to exclude any victim who is a Republican?

So, rape is not rape.
And not-life is life.
And not-truth is truth.
And not-war is war.
I think I understand now, Mr Orwell.

But what about the jobs!? Didn’t Tea Party Republicans scream Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! for two years? And now they are completely forgetting their pledge to put the unemployed to work. They are working this whole thing ass-backwards!

Speaking of backwards, I wonder if teabaggers women and young girls are exempt from these this proposed legislation. Oh, I forgot. Teabagger women and young girls are Christians. And we all know that Christians do not participate in premarital fornication, nor do they put themselves in danger of getting raped. They are nothing like those habit wearing, scantily dressed nuns who obviously “ask for it” when one of them falls victim to rape.

I guess the wives and daughters of teabagger politicians will have to endure a “good” rape as opposed to a “forcible” rape and not demand an abortion. They will have to live with the consequences if pregnancy occurs.

When is the first teabaggers’ “Buyers Remorse” protest going to kickoff? I seriously believe that when a group of male politicians define what constitutes rape, coupled with denying a woman or young girl the right to seek an abortion if she is impregnated by her rapist–to me that is a form of political dictatorship.

But what about the jobs!? Didn’t Tea Party Republicans scream Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! for two years? And now they are completely forgetting their pledge to put the unemployed to work. They are working this whole thing ass-backwards!

Speaking of backwards, I wonder if teabaggers women and young girls are exempt from these this proposed legislation. Oh, I forgot. Teabagger women and young girls are Christians. And we all know that Christians do not participate in premarital fornication, nor do they put themselves in danger of getting raped. They are nothing like those habit wearing, scantily dressed nuns who obviously “ask for it” when one of them falls victim to rape.

I guess the wives and daughters of teabagger politicians will have to endure a “good” rape as opposed to a “forcible” rape and not demand an abortion. They will have to live with the consequences if pregnancy occurs.

When is the first teabaggers’ “Buyers Remorse” protest going to kickoff? I seriously believe that when a group of male politicians define what constitutes rape, coupled with denying a woman or young girl the right to seek an abortion if she is impregnated by her rapist–to me that is a form of political dictatorship.

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i know the history, but the mask doesn’t stand for religion, its stands for the struggle, “v for vendetta movie aside. and yes i know who Guy Fawkes is and the history of him. and really he himself was a small player in the gun powder conspiracy, apparently a look out, who got caught and ratted on his buddies, but its the idea and the symbolism that the mask stands for…which actually has very little to do with my previous comment of the subject of abortion and rape.

i know the history, but the mask doesn’t stand for religion, its stands for the struggle, “v for vendetta movie aside. and yes i know who Guy Fawkes is and the history of him. and really he himself was a small player in the gun powder conspiracy, apparently a look out, who got caught and ratted on his buddies, but its the idea and the symbolism that the mask stands for…which actually has very little to do with my previous comment of the subject of abortion and rape.

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Absolutely correct….! Rape should be defined as ‘sex with anger’….as opposed to the regular kind. “Any child issuing from a ‘Rape’ transaction will be described as an ‘angry-offspring’ and therefore not qualified to benefits from normal ‘Rape’.”
That should settle it.

Absolutely correct….! Rape should be defined as ‘sex with anger’….as opposed to the regular kind. “Any child issuing from a ‘Rape’ transaction will be described as an ‘angry-offspring’ and therefore not qualified to benefits from normal ‘Rape’.”
That should settle it.

…one exception…only ‘angry-sex’ can be classed as ‘Rape.’

…one exception…only ‘angry-sex’ can be classed as ‘Rape.’

Just when you think the Republicans can’t get any lower they come out in favor of rape.

Just when you think the Republicans can’t get any lower they come out in favor of rape.

Impossible…they’re all sodomites!

Impossible…they’re all sodomites!

Impossible…they’re all sodomites!

Fine. I don’t want to pay for war, because it involves killing innocent children and adults who are fully formed and out of the womb and conscious and even educated (as opposed to the half-formed potential lumps of human dough Boehner and his ilk care so much about). So, a deal: individual taxpayers can opt out of funding abortion, or funding war, and that portion of their taxes will be redirected into other healthcare and education projects. And then what will we choose to stop funding next? Who ever imagined a government in which every citizen would agree with every law and act of that government?

Fine. I don’t want to pay for war, because it involves killing innocent children and adults who are fully formed and out of the womb and conscious and even educated (as opposed to the half-formed potential lumps of human dough Boehner and his ilk care so much about). So, a deal: individual taxpayers can opt out of funding abortion, or funding war, and that portion of their taxes will be redirected into other healthcare and education projects. And then what will we choose to stop funding next? Who ever imagined a government in which every citizen would agree with every law and act of that government?

Fine. I don’t want to pay for war, because it involves killing innocent children and adults who are fully formed and out of the womb and conscious and even educated (as opposed to the half-formed potential lumps of human dough Boehner and his ilk care so much about). So, a deal: individual taxpayers can opt out of funding abortion, or funding war, and that portion of their taxes will be redirected into other healthcare and education projects. And then what will we choose to stop funding next? Who ever imagined a government in which every citizen would agree with every law and act of that government?

rape is always foriable
this government is so $%^& up
sorry about the $%^& word

rape is always foriable
this government is so $%^& up
sorry about the $%^& word

rape is always foriable
this government is so $%^& up
sorry about the $%^& word

The GOP: Getting gubmint offen people’s backs…
…defeners of freedom!….
…friend to the common man…
…working for working people and jobs…
…always know WJWD…

…and the moon’s made of green cheese.

The GOP: Getting gubmint offen people’s backs…
…defeners of freedom!….
…friend to the common man…
…working for working people and jobs…
…always know WJWD…

…and the moon’s made of green cheese.

The GOP: Getting gubmint offen people’s backs…
…defeners of freedom!….
…friend to the common man…
…working for working people and jobs…
…always know WJWD…

…and the moon’s made of green cheese.

Why do they hate women?

Why do they hate women?

Why do they hate women?

Notice how with every despicable thing the republicans propose to do, they ALWAYS represent it to be “the will of the people,” or “the American people have spoken,” as though the people have given them a mandate to screw us over in every conceivable way? Now they’re claiming that it’s the will of the people to redefine rape? Just when I think that I can’t be disgusted with the republicans anymore than I am already, they give me more reason to despise them even more. Well, they don’t represent me or anything I stand for. So where are the jobs, Boehner–you lying POS!!

Notice how with every despicable thing the republicans propose to do, they ALWAYS represent it to be “the will of the people,” or “the American people have spoken,” as though the people have given them a mandate to screw us over in every conceivable way? Now they’re claiming that it’s the will of the people to redefine rape? Just when I think that I can’t be disgusted with the republicans anymore than I am already, they give me more reason to despise them even more. Well, they don’t represent me or anything I stand for. So where are the jobs, Boehner–you lying POS!!

Notice how with every despicable thing the republicans propose to do, they ALWAYS represent it to be “the will of the people,” or “the American people have spoken,” as though the people have given them a mandate to screw us over in every conceivable way? Now they’re claiming that it’s the will of the people to redefine rape? Just when I think that I can’t be disgusted with the republicans anymore than I am already, they give me more reason to despise them even more. Well, they don’t represent me or anything I stand for. So where are the jobs, Boehner–you lying POS!!

GOP is the definition stupidity.

You are completely missing the point, Adam. If the government decides that Rape is no longer rape unless a woman is physically forced into intercourse, that will trickle down and the definition of rape by drugs, incest, statutory rape etc will no longer be considered rape. This is not just “funding” for abortions, this is the govt telling a parent or women if they or their daughter get a legal abortion, that the money they pay for health insurance that covered it is no longer deductible. Abortion is STILL a legal medical procedure and as long as it is,should be tax deductible like any other medical procedure.

They hate themselves. I think what little I remember of psych 101, said that self loathing, acts out as hate for others. More evidence of conservative mental illness.

Pretty soon this crap will be shoved up their collective anus – small minded imbeciles, so many important things needed to be done and all these fools are concerned with, is messing about in our bedrooms – fuck off!

every human life has a monetary value under the law. If an 80 year old man is killed as a result of negligence they are worth much less than a healthy 25 year old college grad with a decent job.

Ah but even the rich won’t be able to deduct the cost of the abortion OR the insurance that paid for it as a medical expense- so it’s not even that.

If they overturn Roe V Wade, the amount of money we would need to make up the cost of caring for unwanted wards of the state, the criminalization costs of prosecuting those who provide or get abortions, the cost of the added population will lead to debates 100x more than keeping abortion legal.

You are completely and utterly wrong and you sound like the people who only think about themselves. Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean some persons life isn’t going to be affected by it. You are not the only person in the world and as far as it changing the debate you are wrong as well. Republicans hardly ever bring it up in an actual debate because they know it’s too touchy of a subject. I never heard one word about this garbage when they were campaigning. All I heard was Jobs and I haven’t heard a word about that since they got elected.
They won’t be happy until they start a bunch of crap like what’s happening in Egypt!

Republicans want to turn the clock back to 1955 when rape didn’t exist except in the Bible and child abuse was 1 in a million.

Why don’t the hypocritical gop MIND THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!! You people are worthless! You want to limit abortions because you care so damn much about the fetus, but want to cut health care and make it impossible for people to get HC. You care so much about the fetus of a rapist, but not the victim. I hope your next gop sex scandal involves them trying to get an abortion and shows everyone it isn’t that they really care about the fetus, but it’s one of their stupid gop causes to garner votes from the religious right. It’s so important, yet they have no empathy for the victim. I hope every male repuke gets their girlfriends pregnant and I hope all their kids get pregnant too! Then let’s see them run in the dead of the night to the abortion clinics. GOD, I HATE REPUBLICAN HYPOCRATES! Gop home of the immoral, unsympathetic, dishonorable, greedy, despicable, lying cowards!

But the rich are more likely to be able to afford a non-deductible medical expense. Just as a PSA, let me mention the National Network of Abortion Funds, which can help any girl or woman seeking funding for the cost of her abortion.

I have always known how low the republicans are. The problem is half of the stupid american population has a long term memory of 5 minutes. Is anyone really surprised that they are redefining rape, trying to take health care away from millions, and ignoring the jobs problem? Please, if you are surprised, you have a problem.

James

Child molestation is apparently also out, since most children aren’t “forcibly” raped. Also, I love how that word isn’t defined. Exactly what is an impregnated violent rape victim supposed to do to “prove” she’s been raped AND that said rape was “forcible”?

ALL women deserve the right to bodily autonomy, end of story.

They’re so concerned about the pre-born so that we can turn into 18 year old adults, be sent to war and then use the VA health care cost reductions to fund their loyalty to banks, corporations and more wars.

if there was a god boehner, would be pregnant from being raped by his priest

When you don’t like the rules, change them so you can be the sorry, no good for nothing, bastards you enjoy being, teatards and wingnuts. Isn’t redefining rape, making rape legal? What a bunch of hateful, bigoted idiots.

Hey, Republicans, is this was Bushy meant by Compassionate Conservatism??

not really surprised, just really fed up.. and the five minute memory thing i think was coined as gold fish syndrome..lol

I suggest that Senator John Boehner view the “Girl with the Dragon Tatoo”. Gives a fair simulacrum of turn about rape. Might smart a bit but still a long ways from what these Bible Thumpers reserve for women. I feel like vomiting!

If these ignorant arrogant Christer fucks gave a rat’s ass about cutting the number of abortions, they would make sure that Sex education was comprehensive and fully taught at all Public schools and they would also fully fund Planned Parenthood and advocate for the free distribution of condoms and other birth control to everyone wanting it. But no, they would rather grandstand and try to force their twisted dogmatic beliefs down the throats of the citizens of the USA. Un-American.

Looks like their real intention is to jam up the works with so much crap nothing gets done and they can say “they tried” while blaming “the other side”.

What utter, sub human pieces of shit. I can think of no group of “humans” for which I have a greater loathing than the Right.

If the Dems cave to an ounce of this, I wish there was a Hell they could burn in.

And for any woman who voted GOP … fuck you.

Welcome to the Dark Ages my friends. I’m so stunned. So a 50 year old family member rapes a 13 girl and these fucking bastards gives this child heave ho, off you go, too bad so sad.
What the fuck is wrong with these people? Why are we moving backwards?

“forcible rape” is redundant, like “right-wing misrepresentation”.

Well, there will be more hospital visits due to using coat hangers and other things to perform abortions. Look for a resurgence of backstreet doctors performing abortions in unsanitary conditions, just like in the 50s and before. While I don’t condone abortions for normal pregnancies, I do think it ought to be available for when the baby has no chance of surviving or when the mothers life is endangered. Also, the Republicans think they are saving money by doing this. Well, someone is going to pay for this one way or another. Either by hospitals absorbing the costs, cost being passed on to the paying customers which includes the Republican customers. So, in a way we still got a generic form of subsidized health care.

Statutory rape being rape….eh… I was a 13 year old hormonal girl once & I knew exactly what to call a spade so let’s call a spade a spade… consensual sex is CONSENSUAL!!! I agree that date rape is rape and forcible rape is rape and maybe you have the right to kill your kid then but when you open your leg too soon it’s a little to late to say oops let’s this try again. No, that’s the time to man up and face your responsibilities no matter how old the man who you opened your legs up to is!

Yes, if people understood just how brazen the irresponsibility of these folks is given the enormity of the real problems facing the country and the world today, look out! That the GOP wastes our time and attention on crap like this instead of dealing with such things as climate change is truly astonishing.

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So there are more people to populate this world who are unwanted, grow up in poverty or low income and go on welfare. GREAT. The funny thing is… they’ll all vote DEMOCRAT!
Repugnicans… DUMB.

Actually instead of “who don’t possess them” I should have said “who are out of theirs”

You know, life is too short for republicans.

All the fucktards turning to Limbaugh, for their last ditch fucktarded shit to say right now.

Abortion won’t be made illegal, only federal funding will be out of the question. If a woman wants an abortion she’s more than able to use her own money to pay for it, and if she opts for the coat-hanger route, well, that’s her choice. As the above poster mentioned, people need to start taking responsibility for themselves.

The rightwing care little about the already born.
The abortion issue for them just represents their tenuous grasp on a stance even remotely moralistic.

If they deny abortion for in incest that means more teabaggers

Well, like I said in my comment – not that it is NOT an important issue, because I believe it is. But, you show me one Republican that does not go through a vetting process about where they stand on abortion, before they even get into the first rounds of a campaign, and I will eat my hat. Show me one supreme court justice that does not get totally grilled on where they stand on abortion, and I will eat my hat. And, while this most recent election may not have highlighted the issue, every presidential contest does, to one degree or another, and every Replublican knows if he doesnt tow the line, doesn’t give the right soundbite on abortion, he can give up any chance of getting an nomination, much less the election.

Uh – if the Supreme Court overturned Roe V Wade today – exactly what do you think would happen? Do you believe that abortion would become illegal? No – in fact, any state that it is legal in now, would remain legal, unless and until that state voted, by a majority of its citizens, to outlaw it.

So, if you believe that your hypothetical rape victim would not be able to receive appropriate medical care, up to and including an abortion, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

If people just decided not to get an abortion – then your argument would be moot. And I think everyone here should understand one thing: I do believe in a woman’s right to choose. Completely. 100%.

What I don’t believe in is the government making the rule 35 years ago that a woman had a right to choose, and then allow it to dominate the national debate for 35 years, to the degree that we cannot get anything done, and we can’t seem to have a national dialogue about anything other than abortion.

Yeah I was just wondering that myself – forcible rape – is there any other kind?

Rich Republicans will always be able to afford their abortions. They will consider it their personal responsibility not to bring an unwanted child into the world, while at the same time forcing the less well off to not make the same “mistake” they did. Hey presto, conscience appeased.

Vat das woman vo don’t want da rape shoult do is stop with das sexy dressing. As my boy friend alvays say “Look at her, she’s asking for it, she’s probably one of those who will scream rape when she does get it, hold on a sec, I got to go to the bathroom, I’ll be right back”, and he shoult know what he talk about, he’s billionaire congressman.

When I called Boehner’s office on Friday, one of the things that I stressed was how sick I was of hearing him tell me that the American people want this or that, I told the poor woman who answered the phone that I was one of those “American people” and I haven’t wanted one of the things that he keeps attributing to me.

And that goes double for this despicable piece of legislation!

May the bastards all come back as women in a patriarchal society in their next life.

Is this another instance of “both parties being exactly the same”?

“A November 2010 Hart Research poll [PDF] indicated that a majority of American voters who voted for a Republican candidate (71 percent) opposed the Smith bill.”

This sentence should have said “…a majority of American voters who were so stupid they voted for a Republican candidate (71 percent) opposed the Smith bill.”

All we can really hope is that these instances of pandering to the ignorant and rabid fundamentalists wind up alienating enough voters that the Republicans wind up getting evicted from the House majority in 2012. They obviously, from the reception I got when I called three of their offices on Friday, don’t know shit about what they are doing and don’t give a damn what any voter thinks of their idiotic legislation.

This is one of the stupidest things they have yet proposed, first because all rape is forcible, it doesn’t matter whether the person is too drunk to resist or to scared to resist or too drugged to resist, when someone is sexually assaulted they are forced to do something against their will. Taking their will away through fear, drugs, alcohol or by any other means is still rape.

Too bad Republicans can’t seem to get it through their heads that there are some things like Planned Parenthood that do enough good for low income people that it behooves the government to continue to support their work. I would like any of the Rand Paul groupies to justify these kinds of budgetary actions!

I can’t see how the Baggers and NEOCON’sy are going to be able to run and win in 2012 on this agenda?

I mean seriously the independents that hold sway over the elections are NOT social conservatives.

Uh, not quite accurate, Cameron. If a procedure is not covered by federal funding insurance companies simply add it as a blanket exclusion. There’s a similar repercussion to the tax / FSA issue that’s part of this plan, too. In the end, this is a way to bleed dry the funding leading to few if any practitioners offering the service, regardless of the reason it is needed. If they’d been in office a decade ago, my wife would be dead.

When is punishment not the answer?

So it’s about punishing people for having sex? Is that what this is about?

Yeah, I know these wingnuts are scary, but we’ve got to consider a recent political descent to make any real sense of it.
We’re talking seven (7) words here, folks — American Rogue, Relock–Reload, Blood Libel, Spudnuts. And that’s all she wrote.
Trust me, it’ll happen to every one of them. Just give it some time and an open mike.

“rape [verb]: ***force*** (another person) to have sexual intercourse with him without their consent and against their will”

Seems to me that rape is “forcible” by definition. Of course I could be wrong, as I’m no legislator. :-)

So when are these jackholes going to start stepping forward to adopt or help raise all these children? Aren’t these the same teabaggers whining about welfare and free school lunches?

Why does every person I have ever seen that is extremely against abortion so butt ugly I doubt they ever have sex? I think they are so jealous that other people are having sex for fun, they want to make EVERY sex act for procreation only…no fun allowed.

Fucking fetus worshipers at it again. Okay, let’s force rape and incest victims to have the babies, but the law must include that all fetus worshipers get an incest or rape baby dropped off at their home and have to raise it and provide for it until it turns 35 years old.
Then we’ll see how much they fucking love children.

Repigs don’t have a life…that’s why they meddle in the lives of everyone else.

Here are a couple of articles from Alternet that explains what has heavily influenced the political philosphy and rhetoric of the republicans and their teatards–their hero, Ayn Rand, a sociopath who worshipped a serial killer.

“Ayn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping “moral philosophy” that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.”

“Her ideas about government intervention in some idealized pristine marketplace serve as the basis for so much of the conservative rhetoric we see today. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” said Paul Ryan, the GOP’s young budget star at a D.C. event honoring the author. On another occasion, he proclaimed, “Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism.”

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits%2C_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them/

“One reason most countries don’t find the time to embrace Ayn Rand’s thinking is that she is a textbook sociopath. In her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of “ideal man” she promoted in her more famous books. These ideas were later picked up on and put into play by major right-wing figures of the past half decade, including the key architects of America’s most recent economic catastrophe — former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and SEC Commissioner Chris Cox — along with other notable right-wing Republicans such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rush Limbaugh and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.”

“The loudest of all the Republicans, right-wing attack-dog pundits and the Teabagger mobs fighting to kill health care reform and eviscerate “entitlement programs” increasingly hold up Ayn Rand as their guru.”

Whenever you hear politicians or Tea Partiers dividing up the world between “producers” and “collectivism,” just know that those ideas and words more likely than not are derived from the deranged mind of a serial-killer groupie.”

“Too many critics of Ayn Rand — until recently I was one of them — would rather dismiss her books and ideas as laughable, childish, and hackneyed. But she can’t be dismissed because Rand is the name that keeps bubbling up from the Tea Party crowd and the elite conservative circuit in Washington as the Big Inspiration. The only way to protect ourselves from this thinking is the way you protect yourself from serial killers: smoke the Rand followers out, make them answer for following the crazed ideology of a serial-killer-groupie, and run them the hell out of town and out of our hemisphere.”

http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers?page=1

How about you mind your own damn business and not meddle in the business of others.
Against abortion? Then don’t get one. How’s that grab ya?!

Remember, these are the same pieces of maggot infested shit that voted against the child marriage ban. Not only do they want young girls to be forced to have their rapist’s baby, they want them to be forced to marry them.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/gop-shuts-bill-prevent-child-marriage/

American Taliban

REPUBLICANS=SHIT

These sub human scum hate everything except money and power.

They do it…
http://www.republicansexoffenders.com

Then take your complaint to the GOP because they do it all the fucking time.

Republicans are the pro-rape party. If you think I’m kidding, just keep watching what new laws they propose.

The Republican Party working backwards to the 17th century and beyond!

They are christians and in the bible women are basically chattel. If thye get raped it’s…well their fault. No really. If one actually READS that freakin’ book, one will be amazed at the wack, backwards’azzed bullshit on page after page

Actually they are Ayn Randers, Austrian School anti-government types like Ron Paul, who’s a follower of von Mises, and Chicago School types whose hero is Milton Friedman, the economic noble winner, who engineered Pinochet’s economic “miracle” in Chile that put thousands to death and hundreds of thousands out of work and privatized their Social Security system. All of these right wing loons are driven by a strong will to deregulate and cripple the functions of government to allow business a free hand in everything they want to do.

I subscribed to the “Financial Times” for a short stint about 3 years ago and they regularly ran full page and half page ads for Ayn Rand’s two most popular novels, “The Fountainhead” (1943) (over 5 million copies in print), and Atlas Shrugged” (1957), over six million copies in print, both still available in hardcover and at least two different paperback edition by Plume which is an imprint of Penguin. My local Border’s has a whole section one of their bookshelves devote to Rand and they have literally all her books and several of them in both hardcover and various paperback versions. No other author in the whole store has this kind of display. And the workers have told me they sell her books everyday. And I live in a a fairly blue city in a blue state, so I can only imagine how she sells in someplace like Tulsa, Houston, or Dallas.

She was a particular hero of Alan Greenspan who was for a while her acolyte and who published an early essay in her collection, “Capitalism: An Unknown Ideal (1967) now in its 35th or later, printing.

Matt Taibbi has a chapter on her and her relationship with Alan Greenspan in his latest book, “Griftopia: Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids, and the Long Con That Is Breaking America (2010), it is exceedingly funny except for the damage that her philsophy has caused around the globe an here at home.

Does this mean that if a women is unconscious, it is not rape?
Have these politicians got shares in a Rohypnol factory?
Next they will require the testimony of several men to prove you have been raped.
USA, if this law is passed I will have no respect for you in the morning!

You American women better start doing something about this.

I no longer consider the conservatives/libertarians who have embraced Ayn Rand as a political philosopher and great thinker as being harmless. Her fictional novels have been selling in record amounts over the last couple of years and have heavily influenced many of our republican leaders–as well as the teabagger extremists, many of whom are now also in leadership positions. It is disturbing when you consider that today’s republican party seems to be rooted in sociopathy (which explains their disdain of empathy and lack of compassion). And then consider that high school students are reading Rand’s books of fiction that promote selfishness, narcissism, and the concept that greed is good, and vilifies altruism and empathy; labels the poor and middle class as parasites to be hated and deserving of death–well, I think maybe the rest of us should be calling out the republican party for their cult-like hero worship of a deranged woman whose writings of fiction and insane philosophy are the basis for their political agenda and legislative priorities.

“Ayn Rand wrote several books that are bedside reading for some powerful men in Washington. Alan Greenspan sat at her feet and absorbed her philosophy and Clarence Thomas loves her work so much he requires his clerks to read it.”

“Ayn Rand modeled her superhero, John Galt in Atlas Shrugged on a serial killer of the day, Edward Hickman. Hickman killed and dismembered a 12 year old girl…”

“…Another hero, Howard Roark (in The Fountainhead) is described thus: “He was born without the ability to consider others.”

“…the right is increasingly cleaving to the words and philosophy of a woman who was not only, in all likelihood, mentally disturbed, but the functional equivalent of those who fell in love with say, Charles Manson or Ted Bundy, even after their crimes were exposed.”

http://enneagramcentralcoach.blogspot.com/2010/02/ayn-rand-sociopath.html

“This is what the right is coming to. This is what they really mean when they call themselves “values voters.” The values of which they speak, far from being “Christian,” and far from being rooted in concern for the country, are–at least for many–firmly grounded in selfishness, applied narcissism and operationalized, organizational sociopathy. That they would seek to make a hero of Rand, and forge a movement based even in part on her thinking is all the evidence one should need that the patients are running the asylum known as the American right…”

http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/sociopathy-right-ayn-rand-and-triumph-conservative-cultism

Are you saying that a 13 year old girl can not be coerced into something she does not want to do? Or that she can not be victimized by a pedophile?
You need counseling .

What this means is they’ll try and make it so if a man rapes his wife, it’s not “really” rape because they’re married.

Can anyone name someone crazier than an American Republican?

This is the sadness news item to come out of America in years.

Look into the eyes of your child one day and ask yourself what his or her dollar value is !

[...] don’t even have words to describe this story about GOP efforts to redefine rape to limit abortion funding in cases of rape or [...]

Oh, they don’t love children at all, but they DO need them for cannon fodder. All life is precious to the neocons, until birth that is. What it’s really all about is keeping the poor population reproducing so there is never a shortage of warm bodies looking to the military for jobs. You know the pitch…you can see the world…

I am so sick to death of abortion being a political platform I could scream. The mentality of basing a vote on a candidate’s stance on abortion is mind boggling, a real mind bender, for sure. Here is my stance on abortion – if you think it’s wrong then don’t have one, and mind your own effing business as far as what anyone else is doing.

Because we are now a regressive nation.

Chris Smith maims and murders mothers on behalf of pedophile priests. He supported Tom Delay’s abuse of Northern Mariana sex and sweatshop slaves as long as they had no access to abortions. Why doesn’t he criminalize Viagra which causes pedophilia, rape and abortions if he’s so moral? Rape victims and their supporters ought to campaign for Smith’s opponent in 2012. They also ought to stage ABORTIFACIENT coffee-chugging sit-ins in Smith’s office and dare him to arrest them for “baby killing” since Smith has provided countless caffeine abortions in his offices and home himself! Also, Smith ought to be badgered by tampon funerals, posters of Poop Paul VI’s funding of Nazi death camps in Croatia, and mothers suffering childbirth incontinence.

You mean time travel, relatively speaking!

Republicans should practice what they preach and keep Government out of people’s lives. They seem to have an obsession with controlling women. I really think they want all women to again be “barefoot and pregnant”. If Title X funding is denied to Planned Parenthood, many more woman will become pregnant and there will be more, not less, abortions.

And sex trafficking and deadly medical experiments for Big Pharma — you’ll never catch fetal idolator Chris Smith condemning his biggest contributors, pedophile priests, but he will shut the government over BRAINLESS fetal stem cell research while ignoring INVOLUNTARY Nazi/CIA/Pentagon/Big Pharma experiments on ethnic minority orphans around the globe.

how is raising your own kids punishment

Bingo! — they are crazy jealous because they are butt ugly: I know from personal experience because I grew up crazy angry anti-choice and anti-sex because my anti-abortion Catholic mom disfigured my face, but plastic surgery cured me of this self-defeating psychosis. I always knew my fury came from my hopeless misery from Mom’s unpunished religious abuse and everyone’s looksist scorn. I just wanted to be Cinderella. Also, I began researching childbirth disfigurements, met a woman facially disfigured by her last pregnancy, and learned about Vatican collusion with the Nazis. Knowledge of overlooked atrocities is very cathartic — it makes you want to help others. The Vatican is running a mother-killing pedophile ponzi mafia that needs to be lynched before it destroys America and the planet.

They only want to punish liberals and the poor who have sex — pedophile priests, adulterous wife-dumping Repigs and their slutty hos and daughters can have all the tax-paid Viagra sex and private abortions they want.

I never said that? You wrote that people who have consensual sex and get pregnant should have to have children whether they want them or not, whether married or not, whether they have money or not, whether they will continue to have a relationship or not…..Have you even considered the child’s experience? You haven’t mentioned that at all?

Is this America First?

I thought it was all about the economy! Surprise, surprise, all the Republican initiatives are about privatizing SS, repealing Health Care and outlawing abortions. When will voters stop falling for campaign tag lines?

white republikkklans… ALWAYS redefining shit!

We know that Newt Gingrich and Deal Hudson are sodomite rapists — they forced blow jobs from their employees and students.

Republicans spend their time working on loopholes for rapists and molesters instead of job creation. Pretty much tells you what their priorities are.

I think life is too long for them.

You’ve never been raped have you?

You’ve never been molested have you?

Since you haven’t my advice to you is mind your own fvcking business and stay out of the lives of those who have.

Um…you’re wrong. If you read the article above, it also prohibits people from using their own money from an HSA to pay for one.

Did you know childbirth complications cause women to lose all their limbs, breasts, entire faces (like my dead best friend), and bladder and bowel control? — such women think every MINUTE of every day of the abortions they should have had to keep their husbands, health and lives.

This debate would end over night if MSM featured grisly photos of women injured by childbirth, the Vatican’s running of Nazi death camps in Croatia, and opposing birth control to keep its pedophiles supplied with fresh victims.

Do these “politicians” not have wives, sisters, mothers, or daughters ? Are there no women in their lives before whom they must feel the deepest shame ?
How could any of these pukes face any female, and explain this religious insanity?
Hey, wifey, sorry about that rapist impregnating you. Say, did he beat you up? Cause if he did, we will let you get an abortion. If he ony drugged you, our political party thinks that God thinks that’s different, so uhhh.. tough luck there. I guess you can put the kid up for adoption after carrying it for nine months. So, that’s good. Right ?
Republican women have a duty to shut these pukes down. Like today.

So we should reduce ourselves to being murderers because it inconveniences our lives that’s great when you follow that train of thought might as well release all murderers from jail if the murder they committed prevented them from going to school or having a career or being in a relationship…. it’s really quite simple killing your child because you don’t want to face the responsibility is wrong! Children have been born to young mothers all the time through out history, in fact, it’s only been in recent history that mothers have been expected to wait till their 30′s and 40′s to have children…. Children of young mothers whether rich or poor can grow to have fulfilling lives. It shouldn’t be up to us to choke their potential to death because it’s inconvenient…. Besides I’ll go a step further to claim that abortion is a form of VOLUNTARY racial genocide. Yes… You read correctly, black women abort their babies at 3 times the rate then white women, the second group to abort their babies the most are Hispanics! We’ve been brainwashed as a society to believe that if we have no money we don’t deserve to reproduce but who;s to say poverty limits a person Jesus was born to poverty! Plenty of brilliant minds were born to poverty and we would be limited as a society without their contributions! Abortion isn’t about a woman’s right to choose it’s about MURDER OF THE INNOCENTS! Listen I’m not closed minded I’m a 27yr old black Hispanic Brooklyner, I can be persuaded to believe that there are some instances that abortion is necessary. But it’s not ok as it stands today being used as birth control repeatedly 4 and 5 times by the same woman or to justify the irresponsibility of teens’ promiscuity.

Hey Boehner, how about those jobs for us post-born folks?

Hey Boehner, how about those jobs for us post-born folks?

Dems can beat them on jobs by focusing on GOP/Vatican-caused overpopulation in the third world being the cause of missing U.S. jobs — voting for Dems who support international family planning will bring back our stolen jobs.

Dems can beat them on jobs by focusing on GOP/Vatican-caused overpopulation in the third world being the cause of missing U.S. jobs — voting for Dems who support international family planning will bring back our stolen jobs.

It should include being “raped” by these tory pricks.

It should include being “raped” by these tory pricks.

So you think it is murder? And you think it is okay to abort a fetus and commit murder in the case of rape or incest but not other situations? Or maybe some situations? And you get to decide which situations are okay for others to abort their fetus and commit murder?

Who would you want to make all those decisions for you?

Someone with a completely different set of values than you? Someone who does not have your best interest at heart?

Please explain how any of what you said is based on a set of principles that are fair and just and apply equally to all people.

So you think it is murder? And you think it is okay to abort a fetus and commit murder in the case of rape or incest but not other situations? Or maybe some situations? And you get to decide which situations are okay for others to abort their fetus and commit murder?

Who would you want to make all those decisions for you?

Someone with a completely different set of values than you? Someone who does not have your best interest at heart?

Please explain how any of what you said is based on a set of principles that are fair and just and apply equally to all people.

ALL childbirths ruin women’s health — pregnancy-caused cancers, autoimmune diseases like scleroderma, sepsis, and organ failures like pulmonary hypertension develop after childbirth.

ALL childbirths ruin women’s health — pregnancy-caused cancers, autoimmune diseases like scleroderma, sepsis, and organ failures like pulmonary hypertension develop after childbirth.

C*nt-ry first. Gotta starve that beast. Regressives are just looking for their own “Burka-like” way to undermine the power of the p*ssy.

They ARE the American Taliban.

C*nt-ry first. Gotta starve that beast. Regressives are just looking for their own “Burka-like” way to undermine the power of the p*ssy.

They ARE the American Taliban.

Hey GOPers, why don’t you just decriminalize rape, you sick bastards? You know you want to…

Hey GOPers, why don’t you just decriminalize rape, you sick bastards? You know you want to…

i’ve written more than a score of letters to “my representatives” over the years letting them know where i stand on this whole insane usurpation of the nation’s uteri…and all i get back are form letters declaring their unfailing “right to life stances.” Personally, i think these people are all about creating more soldiers to fight their illegal wars through infinity. they most certainly do not care about babies after the slip out of the womb. federal funding for viagra, no funding for birth control for women or abortion. Pricks rule..

i’ve written more than a score of letters to “my representatives” over the years letting them know where i stand on this whole insane usurpation of the nation’s uteri…and all i get back are form letters declaring their unfailing “right to life stances.” Personally, i think these people are all about creating more soldiers to fight their illegal wars through infinity. they most certainly do not care about babies after the slip out of the womb. federal funding for viagra, no funding for birth control for women or abortion. Pricks rule..

Well that’s the crux of the argument isn’t it….defining where to draw the line so that we limit the needless murdering of the innocents…. Listen I know a woman who was raped got pregnant kept her baby and is happy with her baby…. I don’t advocate that that’s the way to go for everyone but it reflects something…. the large majority of abortions aren’t even done because of rape claims. Check the statistics, they’re done due to financial reasons…. abominable….

If it were up to ME I’d draw the line at no abortions at all! But since we live in a DEMOCRACY and there is a need to meet people half way then I’d say let’s come together and draw a line but I would fight against the statutory rape definition as it stands which is the CONSENSUAL sexual relationship between a minor and an adult. I think when it comes to sex we should consider anyone above 13 as an adult. Teenagers are just way too knowledgeable about these things and some even abuse the law for their own purposes.

Also as Cameron below pointed out …only federal funding is on the line in this article not a woman’s right to choose…. I don’t know about you but I live in a country with a near $14.3 trillion deficit … maybe we shouldn’t be funding unjustifiable murder with our tax dollars except for maybe when the mothers life is in danger but that’s only about 2 – 3% of abortions anyway….There’s a thought…. If you want to commit murder don’t have me PAY for it especially when I don’t AGREE with it!

And for all those who said that it’s none of anyone’s business.. well it becomes ones business when one has to PAY for it!

Well that’s the crux of the argument isn’t it….defining where to draw the line so that we limit the needless murdering of the innocents…. Listen I know a woman who was raped got pregnant kept her baby and is happy with her baby…. I don’t advocate that that’s the way to go for everyone but it reflects something…. the large majority of abortions aren’t even done because of rape claims. Check the statistics, they’re done due to financial reasons…. abominable….

If it were up to ME I’d draw the line at no abortions at all! But since we live in a DEMOCRACY and there is a need to meet people half way then I’d say let’s come together and draw a line but I would fight against the statutory rape definition as it stands which is the CONSENSUAL sexual relationship between a minor and an adult. I think when it comes to sex we should consider anyone above 13 as an adult. Teenagers are just way too knowledgeable about these things and some even abuse the law for their own purposes.

Also as Cameron below pointed out …only federal funding is on the line in this article not a woman’s right to choose…. I don’t know about you but I live in a country with a near $14.3 trillion deficit … maybe we shouldn’t be funding unjustifiable murder with our tax dollars except for maybe when the mothers life is in danger but that’s only about 2 – 3% of abortions anyway….There’s a thought…. If you want to commit murder don’t have me PAY for it especially when I don’t AGREE with it!

And for all those who said that it’s none of anyone’s business.. well it becomes ones business when one has to PAY for it!

they should redefine themselves as out of work…

they should redefine themselves as out of work…

Hate the Child, LOVE the fetus. Sick S.O.B.s
JOBS where are the JOBS… How stupid were you dumb asses who voted these hatefuls in. Ok MEN here is the deal . The only time you have a choice in a women reproductive rights.
IS in the begining…. When you chose not to use a CONDOM or protection. After that you are out of the Equation. Another wedge issue for the GOPERS.
T-bagger/Evilenvangelical = RETUGLICON….They changed the name, but they are the SAME. Guns, GOD,and Gays,,,,, Wedge issues WHERE are the JObs?????????? Who voted for this crap again ?

Hate the Child, LOVE the fetus. Sick S.O.B.s
JOBS where are the JOBS… How stupid were you dumb asses who voted these hatefuls in. Ok MEN here is the deal . The only time you have a choice in a women reproductive rights.
IS in the begining…. When you chose not to use a CONDOM or protection. After that you are out of the Equation. Another wedge issue for the GOPERS.
T-bagger/Evilenvangelical = RETUGLICON….They changed the name, but they are the SAME. Guns, GOD,and Gays,,,,, Wedge issues WHERE are the JObs?????????? Who voted for this crap again ?

Who pays for the care of these unwanted kids? The mother will likely resent the child who may already be pre-disposed to criminal behavior couple the two and the answer is: careing for one more inmate!

Who pays for the care of these unwanted kids? The mother will likely resent the child who may already be pre-disposed to criminal behavior couple the two and the answer is: careing for one more inmate!

That’s crap. This law is not needed. This is another non-issue created to make it look like the republicans are doing something, all for the religious right voters. There already is a law on the books that says federal funds can’t be used for abortion.

That’s crap. This law is not needed. This is another non-issue created to make it look like the republicans are doing something, all for the religious right voters. There already is a law on the books that says federal funds can’t be used for abortion.

Because they are PART of IT.

Because they are PART of IT.

They won’t redefine profits for Wall Street, but they will redefine gravity as God’s pushing us “down to earth.”

They won’t redefine profits for Wall Street, but they will redefine gravity as God’s pushing us “down to earth.”

Thirteen? Kids at thirteen are far from being adults! Some are more mature than others at that age and what if the child is mentally challenged? This is a non issue. we already have laws on the books preventing federal funds being used for abortion. This is just a step closer to banning abortion. Republicans have no ability to have empathy for anyone. This whole brouhaha is not about defining rape. It is an attempt at stopping women from having abortion. What’s next asking a child if she had provoked the rape?

Thirteen? Kids at thirteen are far from being adults! Some are more mature than others at that age and what if the child is mentally challenged? This is a non issue. we already have laws on the books preventing federal funds being used for abortion. This is just a step closer to banning abortion. Republicans have no ability to have empathy for anyone. This whole brouhaha is not about defining rape. It is an attempt at stopping women from having abortion. What’s next asking a child if she had provoked the rape?

Actually, America is not a democracy. It is a Republic and was founded as a Republic. It has never been a Democracy. Please don’t take my word for it. Look it up.

If you are for democracy though, why wouldn’t you be for people being free to make their own choices about their own lives?

Why do you feel it is necessary to decide for others about their personal lives in situations that do not affect you personally?

If you really feel it is murder, then it is always murder.

If it is acceptable murder sometimes just because some people want it then would you be okay with most of the people wanting slavery reinstated?

Or how about if most people decided women should not vote?

It is a personal decision affecting someone elses life much more than yours.

The reverse would be someone forcing you to have an abortion for some reason when you didn’t want to have one.

The things you have been saying are not logical and not consistent. Laws based on raw emotion or religious belief ignore personal freedom and individual rights.

It is a complex issue with many nuances. And nobody ” likes ” abortion and never heard anyone say it is a good thing. Just as you don’t want others to have power to decide and make personal choices for you, why not accept that you also do not know what is best for other people.

If you believe that God gave you free will and let’s you choose to blunder, make mistakes, or thrive and succeed, then why is it so hard to do no less than God and allow others free will and their own choice to make their own decisions about their own lives..

Good enough for god…

But not good enough for some people?

Think about it.

Actually, America is not a democracy. It is a Republic and was founded as a Republic. It has never been a Democracy. Please don’t take my word for it. Look it up.

If you are for democracy though, why wouldn’t you be for people being free to make their own choices about their own lives?

Why do you feel it is necessary to decide for others about their personal lives in situations that do not affect you personally?

If you really feel it is murder, then it is always murder.

If it is acceptable murder sometimes just because some people want it then would you be okay with most of the people wanting slavery reinstated?

Or how about if most people decided women should not vote?

It is a personal decision affecting someone elses life much more than yours.

The reverse would be someone forcing you to have an abortion for some reason when you didn’t want to have one.

The things you have been saying are not logical and not consistent. Laws based on raw emotion or religious belief ignore personal freedom and individual rights.

It is a complex issue with many nuances. And nobody ” likes ” abortion and never heard anyone say it is a good thing. Just as you don’t want others to have power to decide and make personal choices for you, why not accept that you also do not know what is best for other people.

If you believe that God gave you free will and let’s you choose to blunder, make mistakes, or thrive and succeed, then why is it so hard to do no less than God and allow others free will and their own choice to make their own decisions about their own lives..

Good enough for god…

But not good enough for some people?

Think about it.

What the hell kind of rape is it that’s not forced upon someone?
Is it just consensual sex if no force or intimidation is applied?
The GOP actually has to resort to bastardizing the English language to remove choice from women – what a big, brave, bunch of fucking idiots.

What the hell kind of rape is it that’s not forced upon someone?
Is it just consensual sex if no force or intimidation is applied?
The GOP actually has to resort to bastardizing the English language to remove choice from women – what a big, brave, bunch of fucking idiots.

There should be no laws regarding abortion – it should be left entirely up to the individual woman, her conscience, and whomever she desires to include in the decision-making process.

Abortion techniques should be taught in medical school as part of the curriculum for gynos and general surgeons because when it is medically necessary and/or the freely decided choice of an individual, it should be available and safe. Government has no right to interfere in any manner regarding what any person, male or female, does with his or her own human body.

There should be no laws regarding abortion – it should be left entirely up to the individual woman, her conscience, and whomever she desires to include in the decision-making process.

Abortion techniques should be taught in medical school as part of the curriculum for gynos and general surgeons because when it is medically necessary and/or the freely decided choice of an individual, it should be available and safe. Government has no right to interfere in any manner regarding what any person, male or female, does with his or her own human body.

This is what happens when the brain-dead get elected by the brain-dead then collaborate with other brain-dead to enable devolution.

They’re merely trying to justify their own improprieties and continue their own raping; there’s always an underlying agenda with the GOP.

Egypt revolts, the Republicans are merely revolting!

People like you live in a black and white world. When I worked in a clinic we had a very little nine yr. old girl come in with her mother, they didn’t know what was wrong with her. It turned out she was pregnant and by her uncle. If she would have had the baby it would have killed the little girl. So are you saying this girl should be forced to have her baby and if she did survive raise her child? I suppose you think she should get a job to support her self and the baby? You are another one of those nuts who care more about the unborn than the born. This is merely another ploy to limit abortion as we already have laws on the books preventing federal money to be used for abortions. More non issues by the republicans to make it look like the republicans are actually doing something. Of course we all know they aren’t.

If women just dressd so that they did not create the desire in men to force themselves on the women then there would be less need to abort pregancies. It is the womans fault just like it is Eves fault that we do not live in grace. The Christian right needs to impliment a dress code to protect the men of this country from wanting to have sex with them.

Here is a link to the styles that should be imposed on the daughters of Eve. Then we would be able to move forward with issues that address the plight of the men in America, like jobs and education. http://www.alhannah.com/niqab.html

I agree I would support your choice to draw the line at no abortion at all – but only in regard to your own body and conscience. You do not have any right to force acceptance of your choice onto another person, not because we live in a (quasi) democracy, but because you are not capable of making any choices for someone whose well-being is not directly your responsibility and under your control.

As for funding – government should not be providing funds in this area except in medical necessity – it is too divisive and emotionally charged, and politically exploited for just those reasons. Those who support abortion would do well to give generously to charities who provide abortion services, and those who oppose abortion would do well to be content with the liberty to make their own decisions for themselves and leave others to make THEIR own decisions.

Thirteen year olds, despite their precocious and superficial knowledge of sexuality, should not be regarded as adults for purposes of permitting sex between them and adults. Whatever the child’s sexual knowledge is, his or her relationship with adults is defined by its imbalance of power and the potential abuse of power the adult brings to play. There is no such thing as a consensual sexual relationship between an adult and a thirteen year old.

On the other hand sexual curiosity and play between consenting children of approximately similar ages should trigger sexual education and birth control discussions from caring sensitive adults. Such sexual activity is healthy and an integral part of becoming a whole, well balanced adult. The alternative to free sexual expression and exploration between children is very likely their becoming overly influenced by the demeaning, often quite perverse, mindless and heartless tidal waves of pornography that de-personalize and de-individualize sexuality.

Surely trure…and the agenda of the criminal Republican party is to take the country back 100 + years. And in the process put more money in their pockets, and the pockets of their corporate owners. The criminal Republican party exists to serve corporate interests only.

Have they already fixed the economy? Are there now more US jobs?

Where are the jobs?

Wait, so you are agreeing with me – humans should NOT be valued monetarily. That’s good.

But why are you so angry about it? And why do think only the GOP does that sinister thing. The Dems do it too. You know the Dems, right? The left step to fascism, complementary to the GOP’s right step*.

*Thanks to whoever you are who used that great image the other day.

Gosh, don’t you just love it? Now the paid Socialist shills are suddenly worried about jobs. When did they become concerned about jobs? But please continue. We all need a really good laugh.

I laugh at your pathetic post.

Nothing pathetic in thinking the Republicans want to decriminalize rape, that is exactly what they are doing.

Unwanted kids mean more fodder for the prison industrial complex and the military.

Remember that Boner-blunder, “Pledge to America” shortly before Election Day?

Remember the “Roadmap to Peace?”

Remember “My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators?”

Remember “Mission Accomplished.”

Remember Bush bragging about the “child-sex S.W.A.T. team leader” just before Foley outed himself with the congressional page incident?

And to think that people still vote for these jackasses!

Either the drug/substance/merlot abuse is at an all time high in America, or we just have a lot of stupid people elligible to vote. I suspect it’s a little bit of both.

It’s actually the will of the brain-dead segment of our populace who elects their brain-dead reps to do all they can to devolve any given circumstance.

Voters were told your party was going to do something about job creation — although, they never presented any kind of coherent plan during the entire midterm election cycle.

Now, their #1 priority is just another attack, in a long history of attacks, on the rights of women?

There’s your “good laugh.”

Clown.

We pay either way.

If we want to have a fair understanding of the term “rape” ask legislators to imagine it happening to their own mothers, wives, sisters or daughters. If a 24 year old man drugged and raped a 13-year old daughter of a legislator, would we be quibbling over whether it was “statutory” rape?

Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) hailed Smith’s bill as “one of our highest legislative priorities.”
Is this what the republican tea party voted for in 2010?

The middle class is being, and has been, raped by the criminal Republican party and the corporate class.

In China and India.

i support a woman’s right to control her body and decide whether to give birth. however, i see that no one who finds that to be evil or sinful should not be forced to pay for it; indeed, it is clearly unconstitutional to do so. likewise, i vehemently oppose militarism and its mayhem, murder and WMD arsenals and should not be forced to pay for it.

if citizens only paid for what they want and approve… as one does when one goes into a astore… we’d soon have drastically increased social programs and drastically reduced military-polie state, eh?

What have the republicans “not changed” in our government policies , democracy , constitution and bill of rights.
H… Obama and the democrats will not object to it.
They keep talking the BS of bipartisanship.
They were not elected in 2008 & 2010 to agree with the corporate republicans policies , which has destroyed our economy laws and nation.

“high quality, breathable, poly blend georgette”

Sorry, no can buy. Poly blend prohibited by Leviticus…

Surest way to keep the lowest rung of society in their place is to force unwanted children on them. Take away any kind of birth control and then complain because children go uncared for. I really had thought the Republicans just did not understand the results of what they are forcing on people. Now I think that indeed they really do but just don’t care. In fact I think their intentions really are evil.

Apparently you fascist teabaggers no longer care about jobs since the scum teabags are in charge.

America laughs at teabaggers

so because the child might grow up to be a criminal and is unwanted by their mother that means we should kill them, people with no wisdom need to be quiet and learn some before they talk. Rape is horrible, but that does not mean you have the right to take the life of an innocent baby. Abortion is not a reproductive right

Should a rape victim be forced to carry a pregnancy to term as a constant reminder of a violent act committed against them? What do you tell the child? Your birth father held me down and shoved his dick into my vagina against my will and now here you are honey? What does the child think of himself and his heritage? My father is a rapist and what does that say about me.

Pro-life my ass. They don’t give a shit once the kid is here and will further demonize the birth mother for having it. Unless it’s your vagina you don’t get a say in what happens there..

I think you are missing the basic point. if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, it would be saying that abortion should not be an option for a woman (I believe it should be. I would prefer that there be no abortions in the US but believe that a woman should ultimately have the free will to make this decision.) What you are advocating is very risky and depends on the good will of the states; I prefer that it be kept as the law of the land.
What you are proposing could deny women services they need to have a ‘better debate”.

We all laugh at you.

Pathetic bastard.

Easy for you to say. Have you been raped, and forced to carry that pregnancy to term?

How about RU-486 (mifepriston), that a rape victim could take the day after?

At that point, you wouldn’t be able to differentiate that blob of cells, and the wad of sperm from the asshole’s violent ejaculation. Or is that already a “child” at that point?

Pardon my being crude, but how is it, that people like you, would actually FORCE a woman to have any unwanted pregnancy (within reason of course, as is determined by current laws restricting abortions), let alone ONE RESULTING FROM RAPE!!!!!!

Now that in my opinion is crude, and cruel.

Would that be just too much for you to handle, that some girl or woman might be able to just focus on the life changing aftermath of rape, instead of being forced to go through the hell of, not just merely an unwanted pregnancy, but one that was violently forced on her?

Have you zero compassion, or imagination sufficient to have compassion?

What might you say if you were subjected to the same circumstances you state in your post? All I can imagine is 9 months of hell carrying an unwanted and unwarranted product of rape to its full term. Maybe you should also consider giving up the “merciless” life-taking of insects, plants and animals to feed yourself too.

Abortion saves women from bladder and bowel incontinence, lethal breast and face cancers, multiple organ failures, you name it. You must be a pedophile priest looking out for PRE-molested petri dishes!

like i said Rape is horrible, but it is not an excuse to kill your own child, and rather then use the vulgar language you would use i would tell that child that even though your father is a rapist i loved you so much that i had you anyways, that you are a child made in the image of God. the sin of your father wont have anything to do with your life and because my love for you out weighs his evil hateful heart, you now have a chance to make a difference in the world

Mother-killer Chris Smith and his child-raping Catholic cult sent our jobs to overpopulated India and China by opposing international family planning and Dems are too timid to campaign on this winning issue.

Ah, that’s just special. You really are just like your God. The same God, according to your beliefs, that will send human beings to the eternal lake of fire. But you’re just so pure, and beautiful in your fake self righteousness.

Pardon, didn’t I see you at all of those anti-war protests? Oh, never mind.

Now tell all of us children of a lesser god, how you would console the 16 year old girl ( or the 35 year old woman who has teenage children already for that matter ) that had just been raped?

Perhaps the rape itself will make her suicidal? Are you going to keep watch over her, like an angel of course, to keep her from taking that razor blade to her wrists?

Your pretense of being centered in love, through your professed knowledge of what the “image of God” is, blinds you, to your own parasitic cruel nature.

Was I too harsh?

how many unwanted pregnancy’s are you paying the bill for? That t is supporting the mother, paying ALL the doctors bills and the living expenses of the mother… how many adopted children do you have?
put up or shut up

how many unwanted pregnancy’s are you paying the bill for? That t is supporting the mother, paying ALL the doctors bills and the living expenses of the mother… how many adopted children do you have?
put up or shut up

you say i have no compassion because i would force a woman to have an unwanted baby. my natural response to that is you have no compassion because you would kill a child because you couldn’t say no to sex or use a condom or use birth control. pro choice people only seem to see things from the womans point of view and pro life people seem to see things from the baby’s point of view. i guess in the end i need to have compassion for the women and support them and help them, but help them have their child or give it up for adoption. the bottom line is abortion ends the life of an innocent child. so lets not end that life lets give it a chance at life maybe with a family who wants a child but can’t have one of their own

30,000 gun deaths a year is the price we pay for freedom to bear arms
Abortion is the price we pay for reproductive freedom

Republicans and their social issues, smaller government my ass poking their noses into the most personal decisions a person will ever have to make and sucking the asses of religious nuts and crazy people who should mind their own business. Don’t they know that the majority of Americans don’t think like that? Idiots know no empathy. By the way where’s the fucking jobs Boner

Where is this “child” you keep talking about? A fertilized egg is not a child. A rape victim should have access to quick, safe care–as good care as she would get if she had been hit by a car–which she probably would have preferred.

i personally am not pure and righteous thats why i need God to forgive me. i also love how you live in crazy made up theoretical what if scenarios. the fact is that baby is a life, and you are willing to kill it.

Idiot there is no reason for any woman to get pregnant that doesn’t want to. We are doing the same amount of abortions we did in the 70′s but we have a hundred million more people. The trend line is pointing downward like looking over a cliff and if we didn’t have that idiot president pushing for abstinance only the amount of abortions would be less. You have a perverted ignorant mind. There isn’t anyone out there that is pro death. As a percentage abortions account are less than 1/2 of of 1% of the population. Most abortions take place in the first tri mester. Very few in the last. Of those abortions how many are caused by rape, incest, ignorance , drugs and being drugged? Get a life.

A good reply. I would say that, if the SC overturned Roe V. Wade, it would actually be saying that the federal government has no place in the discussion, and basically leave it to the good will of the states. I do not believe the federal government ever should have stepped into the middle of something that was basically a state issue to begin with.

True enough – some states will outlaw it. And that would not be good for the women living in those states. But, if a true majority of the people of a state vote along those lines, then, I would think that this would be legitimate law as seen by the people of that state.

I hate to say it, but, this is one of those issues where if left up to the states, some people see it as a step backwards. And it is.

My thing is, that if the federal government, the SC specifically, can, in its wisdom, affirm the right of a woman to choose, and it is viewed as the law of the land, then why is the other branches of federal government not willing to support it with Federal dollars, at any level?

Because pure and simple, they know there are a good many people out there that would revolt against the goverment if they found out their tax dollars were going to the murder of innocent people (fetuses).

Funny how they see it that way, yet have no problem allowing their tax dollars to fund illegal wars, and kill innocent people.

Does anyone else see the contradiction in this?

So, providing a rape victim RU-486, that stops a pregnancy long before that biological process incubates a fetus capable of feeling anything at all, would still constitute murder to you?

“…because you would kill a child because you couldn’t say no to sex or use a condom or use birth control”

Well, I’m assuming you are using “you”, as the understood “you”, because I personally haven’t fathered any children at all. And no, there aren’t any out there that I don’t know about.

But back to the quote. The issue that this thread is focusing on, is a woman being RAPED, which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with her irresponsibilty according to her pregnancy. But has everything to do, with what must be for a woman, the absolute worst violence imaginable against her. And YOU, would forcibly cause that woman even more trauma, by FORCING her to give birth to the child of a RAPIST.

Your pedigree as a Christ like person with compassion is revealed in the following sentence which is seemingly an afterthought, and with lukewarm conviction.

You write…

“i guess in the end i need to have compassion for the women and support them and help them, but help them have their child or give it up for adoption.”

You guess. You can come up with some compassion, at that bitter end. Wow.

Well, let me assure you, that woman would understandably want you at least as far away as the rapist that violated her in the first place.

you are entitled to believe in magic. just, please, don’t try to make me believe it.
and for fucks sake, don’t even mention trying to legislate it.

You are a sick indivicual. You want to bring god into ti. Why don’t you read your bible and ask God why he killed all those babies. Why is God such a sick puppy to rape a young girl and make her pregnant without asking? Christianity is a sick religion.Oh by the way do you really believe a ghost can make a human pregnant?

There is no God. Believing doesn’t make it true. Did you ever ask yourself why it is so important to believe without evidence? What are the three possible answers to prayer? Yes No and not now but somehow it is always gods will. I get the same results when I pray to a pet rock. I think I just blew your faith out the window.

Are you going to bring the child up? If not the reality is that unwanted children more often than not end up being criminals on the street. Thats not opinion that is what the statistics report. Years ago crimes on the street were going up year after year. When abortion was legalized just when you expected crime would be out of control crime went down and continues to go down. Read a book sometime.

I also meant to add that, this is why I see this issue as nothing more than a wedge issue, for the simple reason that people get so emotionally charged by it. Just look at some of the responses I have received personally over my original comment.

This is why I stated at the end of my comment – think it out logically – knowing that most people will not see the larger picture here.

To me, its simply a matter of the government finding a highly charged, emotional issue that will keep people against each other, year after year. This one is so charged, so emotional, that people actually kill each other over it. I can’t think of a better issue to keep people at each others throats, and can’t think of a better issue that would keep people divided at the voting booth.

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“i also love how you live in crazy made up theoretical what if scenarios”

What? Basing my argument, on the reality that teenagers, and women who already have teenage children, might be the victims of rape?

Isn’t part of having compassion, imagining what it must be like to be another person, in a particular situation? I suppose, the act of compassion is a theoretical world of sorts.

Have you been raped? Could you theoretically be faced with a circumstance where you would be raped? I hope that doesn’t happen to you, but if it does, remember when the merely theoretical became reality. Today, right now, girls and women are facing that reality.

It is abundantly evident, your capacity to have compassion for rape victims, is at this point, merely theoretical.

And as to your insinuation that I’m a would-be baby killer, is the most pathetic insult, not to me, but you, as it reveals your glaring ignorance where it regards the most fundamental function of logic as it pertains to ethics and morality…

You seem incapable of making distinctions.

That’s so true. You know white men have it so rough, so fucking rough, it’s like … nobody knows the troubo’ we seen….

Don’t think you can hide behind the cloak of righteousness and God’s love to hide an evil act and gloss it over with love. Truth of the matter is the kid is a product of rape, an act of violence, and no amount of your “love” will change that. The kid is a constant reminder of a vile, evil act born of hatred. No woman should have to be reminded of that evil act. But of course you think they should; so much for your compassion. Get a clue.

People are products. That’s why the rich want us to breed breed breed. Look at China. They imprison innocent people, murder them and sell their organs. They sell baby girls, the ones that aren’t thrown in the garbage or sitting in cribs all day beating their heads on the side. Everyone that wishes a rape pregnancy and birth on a woman should raise, feed, college, etc. for the child AFTER PASSING A CHILD MOLESTER LIE DETECTOR TEST!!!!

People are products. That’s why the rich want us to breed breed breed. Look at China. They imprison innocent people, murder them and sell their organs. They sell baby girls, the ones that aren’t thrown in the garbage or sitting in cribs all day beating their heads on the side. Everyone that wishes a rape pregnancy and birth on a woman should raise, feed, college, etc. for the child AFTER PASSING A CHILD MOLESTER LIE DETECTOR TEST!!!!

I hear harps playing. Loving the child is not bringing it to this hell on earth. Put your lovely words in a fantasy book and leave pregnant raped women to their own decisions.

I hear harps playing. Loving the child is not bringing it to this hell on earth. Put your lovely words in a fantasy book and leave pregnant raped women to their own decisions.

Why are the Republicans such sick, creepy people?

Why are the Republicans such sick, creepy people?

Just for the record – in Guy Fawkes’ time the Crown committed terrorist acts against its own Catholic citizens. Not so dissimilar to how governments behave today. Guy Fawkes, even though some now believe he was a patsy, has represented the resistance of the oppressed against governments’ efforts to oppress them.

Just for the record – in Guy Fawkes’ time the Crown committed terrorist acts against its own Catholic citizens. Not so dissimilar to how governments behave today. Guy Fawkes, even though some now believe he was a patsy, has represented the resistance of the oppressed against governments’ efforts to oppress them.

According to you, them thar “Socialist shills” are getting paid, so what the hell are you whining about? Soon, they’ll be going to the PUBLIC LIBRARY (gasp), and checking out Atlas Shrugged.

According to you, them thar “Socialist shills” are getting paid, so what the hell are you whining about? Soon, they’ll be going to the PUBLIC LIBRARY (gasp), and checking out Atlas Shrugged.

First being raped, then morning sickness, then a child the mother never wanted, never intended, and certainly never wanted as a constant reminder of the pure Hell she suffered from an excruciating un-immaculate conception is a Hell she shouldn’t have to endure. On the other hand, she will have most of the above even without the child.

What you propose for the poor woman is tantamount to insanity!

First being raped, then morning sickness, then a child the mother never wanted, never intended, and certainly never wanted as a constant reminder of the pure Hell she suffered from an excruciating un-immaculate conception is a Hell she shouldn’t have to endure. On the other hand, she will have most of the above even without the child.

What you propose for the poor woman is tantamount to insanity!

I’d like to find out what the procedure God supposedly used to impregnate Mary. It doesn’t sound pretty to me.

I’d like to find out what the procedure God supposedly used to impregnate Mary. It doesn’t sound pretty to me.

And a fetus is not a baby, bonehead.

And a fetus is not a baby, bonehead.

No, abortion ends the term of a fetus. No live child is involved. Get an education and stop drinking the Kool-Aid dished out by your clergyMEN.

No, abortion ends the term of a fetus. No live child is involved. Get an education and stop drinking the Kool-Aid dished out by your clergyMEN.

I n a weird way I am GLAD the GOPers are coming up with this sh*t so early in their elective terms. Obviously the braindead yoyos who elected them did not know how extreme their views really are. Now that this will be common knowledge, i am heartened that almost all of the newly-elected Repukes will be dumped back on the refuse pile in two years. Heck, maybe they can all get jobs as commentators on FOX, the mausoleum for failed Republican legislators.

I n a weird way I am GLAD the GOPers are coming up with this sh*t so early in their elective terms. Obviously the braindead yoyos who elected them did not know how extreme their views really are. Now that this will be common knowledge, i am heartened that almost all of the newly-elected Repukes will be dumped back on the refuse pile in two years. Heck, maybe they can all get jobs as commentators on FOX, the mausoleum for failed Republican legislators.

Also, overpopulation creates an assurance of a cheap labor pool for corporations so they can bust unions and keep wages in the toilet. God bless America….

Also, overpopulation creates an assurance of a cheap labor pool for corporations so they can bust unions and keep wages in the toilet. God bless America….

In the words of Barney Frank (D-MA), Republicans believe that life begins at conception and ends at birth.

In the words of Barney Frank (D-MA), Republicans believe that life begins at conception and ends at birth.

I admire your courage, your conviction, and your levelheadedness. It’s true, most people on either side of the debate seem to limit themselves to only one perspective, and deny any concessions to the “opposition”–as if this were a war being fought over a piece of land, rather than a debate on a subject with very real and terrible consequences for both mother and child, no matter which side you take. So let me tell you all a little story.

I have a friend. About a year ago, she was in a relationship with a person that she quickly realized was destructive and unpleasant. He wasn’t physically abusive, but he was emotionally brutal and made her life miserable. Eventually she did the right thing and left the relationship–against his wishes, and despite his underhanded and manipulative attempts to “win her back.” Shortly after she ended the relationship, she discovered she was pregnant.

Now, my friend had not been raped, but she was in a very uncomfortable situation. Why? Because she knew that if she had the baby, the father would want to get involved, at which point he would not only continue to make her life miserable, he would exert his influence over the baby as well–maybe even by suing her for custody. After thinking things over long and hard, she made what was, according to her, the most difficult and painful decision of her life: she decided to get an abortion.

Why? Because she didn’t want the responsibility? Because she didn’t want to bear the son of a monster? Because she didn’t want the father back in her life? No. She decided to get an abortion because she loved her child too much to have it raised by its father. Was it the right decision? Maybe not; I doubt even she feels sure that it was. But are you going to tell her to her face that she was selfish? That she was weak? Bear in mind that it wouldn’t have been easy for her to simply “say no” to sex (as the father would have done, and did do, everything he could to manipulate her into feeling vulnerable and miserable so that she would give in), and that she DID use birth control and got pregnant anyway. Killing that child was the worst moment of her life, because it was a choice between murder and misery for her and her child, and she knew it.

I don’t have all the answers. I don’t know if she should have been allowed to do what she did; maybe it would have been easier for her if she had had no choice. Maybe she could have given the baby up for adoption, or figured out a way to remove the father’s influence from her life. Maybe it was the right thing to do, and she should be applauded for her courage. I don’t know. But what I do know is this: whether her decision was wrong or right, I have no right to question it. I have never, and likely will never, be in a position even half as difficult as hers. Abortion is a complicated issue and a hard decision to make, and trivializing that decision by imposing your ideology through legislation is simply evil–particularly when by doing so, you trivialize rape in the process! My tax money goes to a lot of things I find morally objectionable–capital punishment, for instance. But you won’t see me arguing for a change in the legal definition of murder just so fewer criminals will be executed.

I admire your courage, your conviction, and your levelheadedness. It’s true, most people on either side of the debate seem to limit themselves to only one perspective, and deny any concessions to the “opposition”–as if this were a war being fought over a piece of land, rather than a debate on a subject with very real and terrible consequences for both mother and child, no matter which side you take. So let me tell you all a little story.

I have a friend. About a year ago, she was in a relationship with a person that she quickly realized was destructive and unpleasant. He wasn’t physically abusive, but he was emotionally brutal and made her life miserable. Eventually she did the right thing and left the relationship–against his wishes, and despite his underhanded and manipulative attempts to “win her back.” Shortly after she ended the relationship, she discovered she was pregnant.

Now, my friend had not been raped, but she was in a very uncomfortable situation. Why? Because she knew that if she had the baby, the father would want to get involved, at which point he would not only continue to make her life miserable, he would exert his influence over the baby as well–maybe even by suing her for custody. After thinking things over long and hard, she made what was, according to her, the most difficult and painful decision of her life: she decided to get an abortion.

Why? Because she didn’t want the responsibility? Because she didn’t want to bear the son of a monster? Because she didn’t want the father back in her life? No. She decided to get an abortion because she loved her child too much to have it raised by its father. Was it the right decision? Maybe not; I doubt even she feels sure that it was. But are you going to tell her to her face that she was selfish? That she was weak? Bear in mind that it wouldn’t have been easy for her to simply “say no” to sex (as the father would have done, and did do, everything he could to manipulate her into feeling vulnerable and miserable so that she would give in), and that she DID use birth control and got pregnant anyway. Killing that child was the worst moment of her life, because it was a choice between murder and misery for her and her child, and she knew it.

I don’t have all the answers. I don’t know if she should have been allowed to do what she did; maybe it would have been easier for her if she had had no choice. Maybe she could have given the baby up for adoption, or figured out a way to remove the father’s influence from her life. Maybe it was the right thing to do, and she should be applauded for her courage. I don’t know. But what I do know is this: whether her decision was wrong or right, I have no right to question it. I have never, and likely will never, be in a position even half as difficult as hers. Abortion is a complicated issue and a hard decision to make, and trivializing that decision by imposing your ideology through legislation is simply evil–particularly when by doing so, you trivialize rape in the process! My tax money goes to a lot of things I find morally objectionable–capital punishment, for instance. But you won’t see me arguing for a change in the legal definition of murder just so fewer criminals will be executed.

Soldiers for god. Absolutely. You don’t need an education to point a gun or catch a bullet.
I am glad to be in the big brown land on the other side of the Pacific. That all sounds crazy. Prevention is the key. Over here, if you want Viagra you must prove you can’t get a woody and you must be a non-smoker.
I have 2 boys and I taught them early on, condoms. If I advise a young women it is the pill and condoms. As the Irish say, ‘To be sure, to be sure.

Soldiers for god. Absolutely. You don’t need an education to point a gun or catch a bullet.
I am glad to be in the big brown land on the other side of the Pacific. That all sounds crazy. Prevention is the key. Over here, if you want Viagra you must prove you can’t get a woody and you must be a non-smoker.
I have 2 boys and I taught them early on, condoms. If I advise a young women it is the pill and condoms. As the Irish say, ‘To be sure, to be sure.

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The scenario I outline makes the pay 10 times higher (that,s per year) over the course of the persons lifetime…………

Belief without evidence is the same as saying who needs trials to convict, if you believe he/she is guilty then lock em up

Belief without evidence is the same as saying who needs trials to convict, if you believe he/she is guilty then lock em up

So you support rapists, I take it-according to your response.

So you support rapists, I take it-according to your response.

OK, I disagree with redefining rape, but are you aware that only 3-5% of all abortions are for reasons of rape, incest, health of the mother or eugenics? 95%-97% of all abortions are
“optional” (to be neutral) or “for convenience” (to be honest). So, this will have very little impact, especially since the term “forcible rape” is not defined (which the article does point out). People love to raise the rape example, but this is usually disingenuous, since the overwhelming percentage of abortions have nothing to do with rape and no one is ever willing to limit abortion to the situations embodied by that 3-5%, so it’s a red herring.

OK, I disagree with redefining rape, but are you aware that only 3-5% of all abortions are for reasons of rape, incest, health of the mother or eugenics? 95%-97% of all abortions are
“optional” (to be neutral) or “for convenience” (to be honest). So, this will have very little impact, especially since the term “forcible rape” is not defined (which the article does point out). People love to raise the rape example, but this is usually disingenuous, since the overwhelming percentage of abortions have nothing to do with rape and no one is ever willing to limit abortion to the situations embodied by that 3-5%, so it’s a red herring.

Says who? Cute little phrase, not true. I’m an independent and I support having a safety net for children and, in fact, pay a boat load of taxes to support poor people. So what would Barney say to me?

Says who? Cute little phrase, not true. I’m an independent and I support having a safety net for children and, in fact, pay a boat load of taxes to support poor people. So what would Barney say to me?

It is two things, however: (1) human (not a kumquat or a banana or a mucus plug) and (2) alive. You are correct that it is not legally a “person.” That decision was brought to you by the same institution that decided that Mr. Dred Scott was not a “person” under the law, either because he was of African descent and was (purportedly) owned by someone else. In 200 years what will people think of us?

It is two things, however: (1) human (not a kumquat or a banana or a mucus plug) and (2) alive. You are correct that it is not legally a “person.” That decision was brought to you by the same institution that decided that Mr. Dred Scott was not a “person” under the law, either because he was of African descent and was (purportedly) owned by someone else. In 200 years what will people think of us?

And you have interviewed exactly how many “rich” to cull this interesting sentiment you attribute to the entire group? And who, exactly, wishes a woman to be raped? Ad hominem attacks are annoying, but usually better formulated that yours.

And you have interviewed exactly how many “rich” to cull this interesting sentiment you attribute to the entire group? And who, exactly, wishes a woman to be raped? Ad hominem attacks are annoying, but usually better formulated that yours.

Golly, why not abort ALL fetuses from the “criminal classes”! That would make life ever so much better. And some call conservatives racist??!!!

Golly, why not abort ALL fetuses from the “criminal classes”! That would make life ever so much better. And some call conservatives racist??!!!

Honey, I pay an enormous amount in taxes and I’m just glad some of it goes to help children. By your logic, we should abort all fetuses having the unhappy fate of growing in a poor woman’s uterus. I am always shocked at the progressive mindset that sees virtue in killing a human life simply because it might grow up poor. In who’s universe is that justice?

Honey, I pay an enormous amount in taxes and I’m just glad some of it goes to help children. By your logic, we should abort all fetuses having the unhappy fate of growing in a poor woman’s uterus. I am always shocked at the progressive mindset that sees virtue in killing a human life simply because it might grow up poor. In who’s universe is that justice?

I am so struck by the intellectual level of your assertion that I am rendered almost speechless. Almost, but not quite. Abortion might have saved us from your rant, too, but I would not accept that as a reason. Abortion is an elective medical procedure that should be unused, since if people had more self=control or used birth control, there would be no “unwanted pregnancies.”

I am so struck by the intellectual level of your assertion that I am rendered almost speechless. Almost, but not quite. Abortion might have saved us from your rant, too, but I would not accept that as a reason. Abortion is an elective medical procedure that should be unused, since if people had more self=control or used birth control, there would be no “unwanted pregnancies.”

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They know that the majority of abortions are done to poor women so that’s one more down the drain and they add that money to their own wealth. To them, no one matters except for the women of wealth so there’s no guilt on their side. Pathetic.

They know that the majority of abortions are done to poor women so that’s one more down the drain and they add that money to their own wealth. To them, no one matters except for the women of wealth so there’s no guilt on their side. Pathetic.

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Homicides account for about 10,000 of those. Suicides account for about 16,000 of those. Abortions account for 1,200,000 terminations of human life. US figures.

Beautiful and sensitive post. Wish more people felt like you do.

Where is your “god” when a woman is being raped? Was a believer for nearly 70 years. Not anymore. Your kind helped me become a non-believer. Your blindness caused me to open my eyes.

At that point, the “baby” has no point of view and is, in fact, not a baby yet. If you gave birth to a 2 or 3-month old fetus, would you rock it to sleep? Nurse it? Change its diaper and sing it to sleep? No. It would be dead if born that early. It’s not a baby yet.

29% of Americans support denying abortions to minors who have been statutorily-raped?

Then again the Baylor Religion Survey (BRS) found a few years ago that 17% of Americans believe in Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Just a notable minority percentage of our country that is bat$hit crazy.

Pregnancy is a tax. If the Repubs want to limit access to abortions, they can pay into a fund to reimburse the families who have to care for an unwanted child for at least 18yrs.

He’d say…”Any last words?”

He’d say…”Any last words?”

and dumpsters of aborted babies is not creepy?
Kinda like lamp shades made of human skin.

Some real nice people here. Too bad their mommies didn’t abort them and save us the trouble.

Oh, is that mean? Is that what a heartless Republican sounds like? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

When I was young, all “rape” was “forceable rape”. If a woman didn’t care enough about her “honor” to fight for it, then it mustn’t be worth much.

And another thing – why is all sex acceptable except for “rape”? “Rape” is no longer a crime – it is a weapon, a political weapon deployed against society to weaken and undermine the very notion of sex as a reproductive process. The feminists that broadened “rape” to include, “I said ‘yes’ when really I meant ‘no’!” don’t bat an eye brow when a homosexual molests a boy, ruining him and creating another zombie for the exploitation for deviants.

Yes, it’s a bizarre world in which we live. Someone best keep an eye — or a surveillance team — on “Daniel Enright” who fancies himself the Pope’s agent of death.

Good LORD deliver us, indeed.

Some real nice people here. Too bad their mommies didn’t abort them and save us the trouble.

Oh, is that mean? Is that what a heartless Republican sounds like? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

When I was young, all “rape” was “forceable rape”. If a woman didn’t care enough about her “honor” to fight for it, then it mustn’t be worth much.

And another thing – why is all sex acceptable except for “rape”? “Rape” is no longer a crime – it is a weapon, a political weapon deployed against society to weaken and undermine the very notion of sex as a reproductive process. The feminists that broadened “rape” to include, “I said ‘yes’ when really I meant ‘no’!” don’t bat an eye brow when a homosexual molests a boy, ruining him and creating another zombie for the exploitation for deviants.

Yes, it’s a bizarre world in which we live. Someone best keep an eye — or a surveillance team — on “Daniel Enright” who fancies himself the Pope’s agent of death.

Good LORD deliver us, indeed.

Some real nice people here. Too bad their mommies didn’t abort them and save us the trouble.

Oh, is that mean? Is that what a heartless Republican sounds like? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

When I was young, all “rape” was “forceable rape”. If a woman didn’t care enough about her “honor” to fight for it, then it mustn’t be worth much.

And another thing – why is all sex acceptable except for “rape”? “Rape” is no longer a crime – it is a weapon, a political weapon deployed against society to weaken and undermine the very notion of sex as a reproductive process. The feminists that broadened “rape” to include, “I said ‘yes’ when really I meant ‘no’!” don’t bat an eye brow when a homosexual molests a boy, ruining him and creating another zombie for the exploitation for deviants.

Yes, it’s a bizarre world in which we live. Someone best keep an eye — or a surveillance team — on “Daniel Enright” who fancies himself the Pope’s agent of death.

Good LORD deliver us, indeed.

Why should they bat an eye? Clearly the hypothetical molestation victim you describe didn’t care enough about his “honor” to fight for it.
Edit: Looks like this has gone in reply to the wrong post for some strange reason. Apologies, murmur55.

Why should they bat an eye? Clearly the hypothetical molestation victim you describe didn’t care enough about his “honor” to fight for it.
Edit: Looks like this has gone in reply to the wrong post for some strange reason. Apologies, murmur55.

Why should they bat an eye? Clearly the hypothetical molestation victim you describe didn’t care enough about his “honor” to fight for it.
Edit: Looks like this has gone in reply to the wrong post for some strange reason. Apologies, murmur55.

Actually it is defined. Per the FBI’s UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting), forcible rape is “the carnal knowledge of a person forcibly or against that person’s will, or when a victim is mentally or physically incapable of giving consent.” This quite clearly would include minors (a minor, by law, cannot give consent) the use of drugs (a drugged person is incapable of giving consent) and fraud.

Additionally, “forcible” does not only allude to physical or violent force. “Forcible”, by definition, can be physical, persuasive, effective, convincing, or reasoning.

I don’t see this bill as changing the definition of “forcible rape”, merely defining who is eligible for “government assisted rape”.

They don’t want to change the definition of “forcible rape”.
They want to change the federal law from covering abortions for those where ‘raped’ to those who were only ‘forcibly raped’. Because, the actual UCR ‘Definition pg 19 states only: “The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will”.
That means it does NOT simply account for anyone mentally (a minor) or physically (drugged) incapable of giving consent but only if they are physically forced.

Figure that the right wingers that dont want others to have abortions should be made to take the unwanted children and forced to care for the boatloads of children that they will force upon women, hopefully bankrupting them and keeping them busy enough so they cant bully others anymore.