Those supporting this bill are not human and are proxy rapists for supporting it.

Those supporting this bill are not human and are proxy rapists for supporting it.

Like I have said, tories with penis’s don’t get to vote. Period.

Like I have said, tories with penis’s don’t get to vote. Period.

This is too sick.

This is too sick.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Oliver Willis, Adam Smith, Beth, J McAninch, juliesvern and others. juliesvern said: RT @RawStory: Exclusive: Dem calls GOP rape-redefining bill ‘a violent act against women’ http://su.pr/2iHI66 #abortion #prochoice #prolife [...]

The only good gop is a stiff.

[...] Raw Story [...]

Where are the jobs? I thought we sent the GOP to DC because they claimed to have ideas for jobs…

Sorry, but every woman who voted for republicans this last election should be ashamed of themselves. Its like I keep saying people who have the most to lose from a republican controlled gov keep voting them into power, yes most women vote dem but lets get serious there is good reason they do. Republicans want to control women with the abortion issue, if they really cared about life they would get rid of the death penalty. WOMEN REMEMBER THIS NEXT TIME YOU EVEN THINK OF VOTING REPUBLICAN, this bill doesn’t hurt me or any other man out there, it only hurts women.

Anti-abortionists and any other group that seeks to deny anyone their chioce to sin are enemies of God and his work. Man was given freedom of choice by his creator. To deny a person the ability to choose to do wrong, we stand in the way of Gods judgement. These people propose to speak for god and to make judgments on things that only God can judge.

PS: I’m actually a Secular humanist, I just like to throw the buybull in the face of the morons who believe that tripe.

? GOP…. GUNS……RAPE……..
?NO SIGNS OF VIOLENCE

NICE WAY TO SPREAD THEIR SEEDS……..

? GOP…. GUNS……RAPE……..
?NO SIGNS OF VIOLENCE

NICE WAY TO SPREAD THEIR SEEDS……..

Yes, they are committing acts of violence against every woman, not just a woman seeking an abortion, but all of us, by refusing health decisions and care to that (those) woman (women). Reframe the conversation: no vagina? no right to influence and/or chose health decision. Period, end of story.

Yes, they are committing acts of violence against every woman, not just a woman seeking an abortion, but all of us, by refusing health decisions and care to that (those) woman (women). Reframe the conversation: no vagina? no right to influence and/or chose health decision. Period, end of story.

Got penis? No right or vote on abortion. Want to comment further? Get a vagina.

Got penis? No right or vote on abortion. Want to comment further? Get a vagina.

Yes, where are the jobs, Mr. Speaker? And, oh, by the way, kill HR3, get your Catholic-generated and defined definitions off my body, out of my uterus until I have the equal right to publicize your testosterone levels, sperm count and erectile dysfunction. And, those are just openers. Consider making it a necessary part of any conversation between a man and a woman – He saying “Hey, baby, let’s go to my place.” She saying “No, thanks, your testosterone level and sperm count are on the Web and are likely to impregnate.” TTFN, big fella!

Will someone, please, line the fuckers up, and start taking their money away? Then outlaw the GOP?

GOP= Goverment Of the Pope. Life at all costs, unless it is the life or well being of a pregnant woman. Justice Scalia said it. The constitution in the minds of the GOP does not include Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness for women. Nor if one was to read the bible are women considered much more than chattel. Keep voting for the christian right wing and you will keep getting this type of goverment.

Let’s focus on men who vote Republican and then, take their disgusting views in the public arena where they construct organizations like Operation Rescue, Catholics for Life, ProLife America, National Right to Life.

Every man who voted Republican also should be ashamed of themselves. They endorse a violation of privacy so invasive it makes the proctologist exam a joke by comparison.

once the rapist is finished you must then summit to the law and the will of the repuggs. the rape is no longer a rape but merely procreation, an act of G-d to populate the repuggs party.

One cannot fight bigotry with more bigotry.

Look I am not saying that men who vote republican aren’t idiots, but lets face it republicans put women health care freedoms under attack as much as they can. I personally don’t like abortion and I think most people look at it as a kind of last resort or as a result of rape, incest or if the mothers life is at risk but the republicans frame it as women wanting to kill their babies. I think that every man who voted republican did so because under republicans, men have more rights than women do and then minorities in general. I think as long as republicans dominate the message game people will be stupid. We need more dems like Debbie to really hit the republicans hard when they do crap like this, I will say also there was at least 1 dem that supports this bill. Kick out all republicans and corporate/bluedog dems.

I agree, it takes 2 people to create life. Consider also that if we give women complete control over reproduction than we as men are giving up our own rights as well.

bullshit, women do not have the right to have complete control over what child is born when etc. Men are the reason women get pregnant and we have rights also.

[...] time where just saying no was not enough.”Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz told Raw Story expressed outrage, calling this “a violent act against women.”Introduced by Rep. Chris [...]

How long before repugs try to make honor killings legal?

I love the high road, too. Having selected that approach as your very own, you now have an obligation from your lofty assertion to define a solution. What is it? You carefully avoided getting into the details.
There are many ways to fight bigotry with opinion, fact, assertion, myth-dispelling truth, tireless advocacy, careful and fearless dialog and communication. There are efforts that you can make: call, write, fax your legislators; organize a neighborhood group, speak out at your place of worship, help your local Planned Parenthood office. Try one and we’ll have a great discussion.

I join you in supporting Congressional Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Yes, there are Dems who are anti-choice. They belong in the same bucket that the Reps who are anti-choice. That bucket is labeled DO NOT REELECT.

Abortion is an issue, but it really covers over the real agenda: healthcare information and decision making for women.

The Republican party has a very wierd agenda these days.I thought job creation and smaller govenment were on top? But no republicans first actions are to investigate un doing regulations on corporations(see Darrel Issa’s lettter) and redefine rape? Whats next?

This country has more men that REFUSE to take care of the children they spawn than any other “civilized” country in the world. We have been that way for decades. And seeing as how we DO have that issue here, I don’t see how the men involved have much, if ANYTHING to say about it. It’s not YOUR body that will be ravaged by childbirth, possibly resulting in your death. It’s not the men in this country who will have to pay for raising that child, it’s not the men who will take one minute’s worth of their valuable time to RAISE that kid, either.

When the men of this country actually stand up LIKE MEN and take responsibility for their own actions, THEN I will accept that we have any say in what a woman’s decision should be. And especially since EVERY ONE of the sponsors of this IDIOT bill are MEN, it’s really NOT men’s business. Stand up and ACT Like a man, THEN we can talk about how many “rights” YOU Have in this.

You have the right to be supportive or not supportive but you don’t have the right to tell me what to do with my body. When medical advancement gets to the point where abortion does not mean the termination of a fetus, then rights will be more equitable. But as of now, sorry but no. My body, my risk, my burden, my choice. The contribution of some sperm does not equal the 9 months of work or bodily burden it takes to make a child. And as long as at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth everyminute, your “rights” come second.

You have the right to be supportive or not supportive but you don’t have the right to tell me what to do with my body. When medical advancement gets to the point where abortion does not mean the termination of a fetus, then rights will be more equitable. But as of now, sorry but no. My body, my risk, my burden, my choice. The contribution of some sperm does not equal the 9 months of work or bodily burden it takes to make a child. And as long as at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth everyminute, your “rights” come second.

[...] narrowing the Hyde Amendment language, Republicans would exclude the following situations from coverage: [...]

Abortion is the canary in the coal mine, people. If they can accomplish this the religion-wielding Corporatists will really begin feeling their oats.

The most frightening aspect of this (leaving aside for the moment the abject terror of illegal abortions and the effect on woman as a part of our culture) is the larger picture: Congress is deciding they know better than the doctors and patients how to dispense medical care and to whom. If they are able to get this through in any form, the next target will be HIV/AIDS (easy target). Then any, and eventually every, health issue that is predominantly found in the underprivileged. None will immediately hit the bulk of the middle class and zero will affect the upper class in any sense. Until they start hacking away at the less-profitable parts of elderly care, that is…

Abortion is the canary in the coal mine, people. If they can accomplish this the religion-wielding Corporatists will really begin feeling their oats.

The most frightening aspect of this (leaving aside for the moment the abject terror of illegal abortions and the effect on woman as a part of our culture) is the larger picture: Congress is deciding they know better than the doctors and patients how to dispense medical care and to whom. If they are able to get this through in any form, the next target will be HIV/AIDS (easy target). Then any, and eventually every, health issue that is predominantly found in the underprivileged. None will immediately hit the bulk of the middle class and zero will affect the upper class in any sense. Until they start hacking away at the less-profitable parts of elderly care, that is…

“Introduced by Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), the bill boasts 173 mainly Republican co-sponsors and has been designated a top priority by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).”

OK, here’s the trade off: All woman in Republican households, as an experiment to see how well this plays out, will be raped and forced to carry the babies to term. Then every Republican legislator MUST pay all pre- and post-natal care costs. They will also pay for all upkeep of the children born to the rape experimenters until the offspring turns 25.

Those Republican women deemed too ugly even for rapists to consider raping must be hooded while the rape is being committed.

“Introduced by Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), the bill boasts 173 mainly Republican co-sponsors and has been designated a top priority by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).”

OK, here’s the trade off: All woman in Republican households, as an experiment to see how well this plays out, will be raped and forced to carry the babies to term. Then every Republican legislator MUST pay all pre- and post-natal care costs. They will also pay for all upkeep of the children born to the rape experimenters until the offspring turns 25.

Those Republican women deemed too ugly even for rapists to consider raping must be hooded while the rape is being committed.

WHAT THE F*CKING F*CK!!!???

” A violent act against women”?

What a bunch of crap.

A) This would mean that a man can’t be raped (which ISN’T true)
B) If a woman is beaten with a bar, that it is rape (which it ISN’T)
C) Not all rape is violent.

What about when someone is raped in their sleep? What about when an adult talks their way into a child’s pants?

F*cking Republicans.

WHAT THE F*CKING F*CK!!!???

” A violent act against women”?

What a bunch of crap.

A) This would mean that a man can’t be raped (which ISN’T true)
B) If a woman is beaten with a bar, that it is rape (which it ISN’T)
C) Not all rape is violent.

What about when someone is raped in their sleep? What about when an adult talks their way into a child’s pants?

F*cking Republicans.

What happened to all the GOP blather about job creation? All they’ve done so far is try to repeal health care– and now picking on women…

What happened to all the GOP blather about job creation? All they’ve done so far is try to repeal health care– and now picking on women…

Amen, brother.

Amen, brother.

Amen, mikky.

Amen, mikky.

Every Repiglican that votes for this bill should have to get drunk as shit, pop some roofies and get raped up the ass, unless they like it that way. Then ask them if they still think they have the right to define rape

Every Repiglican that votes for this bill should have to get drunk as shit, pop some roofies and get raped up the ass, unless they like it that way. Then ask them if they still think they have the right to define rape

[...] Greg Walden and the Tea Baggers now enthusiastically the party of rape and violence against women, how is it possible there are any Republican women? [...]

Boehner will have no problems getting drunk.

Boehner will have no problems getting drunk.

Again Mr. Tan Man, where is your focus on Jobs? This seems like you’re taking away more jobs all while adding more names to your GOP “Blame the Victim” list. I guess you’re saying it’s the woman’s fault when she unknowingly drinks a roofied beverage and passes out, showing her weakness thus she deserves to be raped by a vile predator? Then, as punishment of her weakness she must birth a child created by this vile predator… is this God’s will Mr. Tan Man? Is it God’s will to torture mother’s who will most likely treat their unwanted child with great disdain because they will forever burdened with that memory? Thus destroying an innocent child’s life because he knows his mother hates him but doesn’t understand why. Or even better, how bout just leave the child to the State… we all know children are so well taken care of in the system…

You people disgust me.

Again Mr. Tan Man, where is your focus on Jobs? This seems like you’re taking away more jobs all while adding more names to your GOP “Blame the Victim” list. I guess you’re saying it’s the woman’s fault when she unknowingly drinks a roofied beverage and passes out, showing her weakness thus she deserves to be raped by a vile predator? Then, as punishment of her weakness she must birth a child created by this vile predator… is this God’s will Mr. Tan Man? Is it God’s will to torture mother’s who will most likely treat their unwanted child with great disdain because they will forever burdened with that memory? Thus destroying an innocent child’s life because he knows his mother hates him but doesn’t understand why. Or even better, how bout just leave the child to the State… we all know children are so well taken care of in the system…

You people disgust me.

If you are concerned about your rights to a possible baby, perhaps you should make those arrangements before you have sex, or just don’t have the sex.

If you are concerned about your rights to a possible baby, perhaps you should make those arrangements before you have sex, or just don’t have the sex.

Not a day goes by that the tea bagging GOP doesn’t make an ass out of itself and continue to waste money on their anti American agenda.

Wait… you mean there’re times when he’s not? Srsly?

Maybe I’m reading this wrong, but where does it say that a woman can’t have an abortion? I’m seeing only that the government won’t pay for it. Also, why would a woman be forced to raise the child? Why are there only 2 options; keeping the child or abortion? What happened to adoption? As someone who was adopted, I’m very happy that my birth mom chose adoption over abortion.

[...] Debbie Wasserman Schultz recently called the No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act, which advocates say seeks to redefine rape, “a [...]

I was raped in a hospital while emerging from anesthesia. Unable to move, I could not fight back. The GOP would have forced me to have had my rapist’s baby.

I was raped in a hospital while emerging from anesthesia. Unable to move, I could not fight back. The GOP would have forced me to have had my rapist’s baby.

So, a rape victim should be forced to carry the rapist’s spawn to term? That’s another nine months of VICTIMIZATION of women. This bill would victimize and victimize and victimize the most vulnerable women: poor women.

Just because your birth mother chose to give you up for adoption doesn’t make you an expert on women who got pregnant as a result of RAPE.

So, a rape victim should be forced to carry the rapist’s spawn to term? That’s another nine months of VICTIMIZATION of women. This bill would victimize and victimize and victimize the most vulnerable women: poor women.

Just because your birth mother chose to give you up for adoption doesn’t make you an expert on women who got pregnant as a result of RAPE.

There are time-honored ways of dealing with these Reich-wing thugs.

There are time-honored ways of dealing with these Reich-wing thugs.

Right now, federal dollars can’t be used for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman’s life is in danger.

But according to the New York Times, the Smith bill would narrow that use to “cases of ‘forcible’ rape but not statutory or coerced rape.” This could mean cases where women are “drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes” would no longer count as rape.

Right now, federal dollars can’t be used for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman’s life is in danger.

But according to the New York Times, the Smith bill would narrow that use to “cases of ‘forcible’ rape but not statutory or coerced rape.” This could mean cases where women are “drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes” would no longer count as rape.

Right now, federal dollars can’t be used for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman’s life is in danger.

But according to the New York Times, the Smith bill would narrow that use to “cases of ‘forcible’ rape but not statutory or coerced rape.” This could mean cases where women are “drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes” would no longer count as rape.

You think it’s easy to opt for an abortion, or to give up a child for adoption? Do you have any idea how many children are currently awaiting adoption in this country, or how many children are in the foster system?

What galls me is that the fact is: rape is rape. THere are no “levels” of rape. Lack of consent in any situation, under any circumstance, regardless of whether someone has drugged or otherwise imparied a woman, is rape. Rape is rape. Period. Not sorta, kinda rape. It’s rape. Or it’s consent.

Right now, federal dollars can’t be used for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman’s life is in danger.

But according to the New York Times, the Smith bill would narrow that use to “cases of ‘forcible’ rape but not statutory or coerced rape.” This could mean cases where women are “drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes” would no longer count as rape.

You think it’s easy to opt for an abortion, or to give up a child for adoption? Do you have any idea how many children are currently awaiting adoption in this country, or how many children are in the foster system?

What galls me is that the fact is: rape is rape. THere are no “levels” of rape. Lack of consent in any situation, under any circumstance, regardless of whether someone has drugged or otherwise imparied a woman, is rape. Rape is rape. Period. Not sorta, kinda rape. It’s rape. Or it’s consent.

These are Strict Constitutionalists, women are not people…

These are Strict Constitutionalists, women are not people…

I am absolutely outraged and discusted by Mr. Smith and the 173 supporters of this bill. Apparently none of them have ever had to suffer through being forced to have sex against their will, and I can’t stand it when any person tries to pass this type of legislation when it is of no consequence to them.

I am absolutely outraged and discusted by Mr. Smith and the 173 supporters of this bill. Apparently none of them have ever had to suffer through being forced to have sex against their will, and I can’t stand it when any person tries to pass this type of legislation when it is of no consequence to them.

Republican’ts, always on the right side of rape…

Republican’ts, always on the right side of rape…

Au contraire my friend, women have exclusive rights to make their own decisions, first concerning anything they do with or allow done to their own bodies; secondly, regarding whom they include in the decision making process when considering abortion; and thirdly what decision they make freely with or without consulting persons of their own choosing.

You men do have rights over your own bodies and in special cases, over the bodies of women. You have the right to refrain from sex without effective birth control with a woman or women to whom you are not married or with whom you have not discussed pregnancy and child support, including child rearing values. If you have not arrived at clear understanding before hand about your attitudes towards pregnancy and children, and there is any risk of pregnancy occurring, you have the right to decline sexual intimacy.

If you and your woman partner have agreed before hand to have a child and she later seeks abortion, your rights to protect the interests of the unborn child and to be a responsible father would seem to me enforceable. But verbal contracts are difficult to enforce, so if you make such an agreement, get it in writing. Without it and/or a marriage certificate you probably have no case.

Traditionally, abortion has not been prohibited until past the time of quickening, the first trimester. If a woman is pregnant with your fetus and does not want you to know, it would be very easy for her to obtain an abortion without your knowledge. Are you going to insist any woman you sleep with has pregnancy tests constantly so that you can monitor her condition? If so, I doubt you’ll retain many female friends and lovers.

Yes, you have rights, but you have no right to abridge the rights of others while securing your own.

You are absolutely right in that you have the choice to choose adoption, but why would one pass legislation that wouldn’t not allow government funds for me to obtain an abortion if I choose because I do not want to carry the child of the man who had sex with me when I was drunk, drugged or otherwise incapacitated to willingly consent? A lot of people who believe in “pro life” (not saying that you are) don’t know just how hard making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is. It is a decision that will remain with that person for the rest of their life just as adoption is and neither choice is easy. I can only imagine how difficult it would be for someone to make that decision if they had gotten pregnant by their rapist.

Republican’ts, always on the “right side” of rape.

Excuse me – “if we give women complete control over reproduction”? May I remind you are not God or whatever the word is you use to describe the whole of nature and the cosmos. Because that is from where women have been given their rights over reproduction as it pertains to their own bodies, unless they freely choose to include you too.

There are those who can’t afford to pay for an abortion if they desire/seek it. Your mother obviously made the choice to have you and you are happy she made that decision. The point it she had the choice, she wasn’t forced by Republicans to carry you to term because she couldn’t afford to do otherwise.

I find it extremely difficult to equate the F. A. Hayek inspired right wing claim that a graduated income tax is “coercion” but forcing poor women to carry their unwanted pregnancies to term because they cannot afford an abortion isn’t seen as at least the same level of “coercion,” by those who subscribe to Hayek’s theory on taxation.

Consistency is always difficult. What about the freedom and liberty to control one’s own body and choices about it. Isn’t that freedom at least as important as all these other freedoms that Hayek and others like him extol?

Nothing to see here…moved reply to correct thread.

Your birth mother CHOSE adoption. Other women should have the same opportunity to decide what will happen with their pregnancies. The government shouldn’t get to decide that a certain type of forcible penetration doesn’t amount to rape. Agreeing to go out with a guy and then having him attack you is no less horrific than being accosted and brutalized by a stranger. It may be worse, because you trusted that person. It’s the act, not the relative level of violence in it, that makes a rape. Possibly forcing a survivor of rape to pay for an abortion after the fact because lawmakers aren’t convinced that her rape was rapey enough is just insane. The politicians advocating for this bill ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I honestly don’t believe that a man should have the right to vote on wheter or not funding should be provided for a woman who is raped. A man is not affected by a rape victim’s subsequent pregnancy, but the woman is. Rape, by its definition itself is non-consentual sex and by that in itself is “forcible rape”. Just because I don’t have bruises and broken bones all over my body shouldn’t mean that I don’t have the right to government aid to terminate a subsequent pregnancy if I do not have the means to afford one should that be the decision I choose.

Ms Wasserman-Shultz is one of my favorites in the House. She has a backbone and is not afraid to say what she thinks. I like her a lot! This bill is even more ridiculous than the bill to repeal health care reform. And I thought that was a pretty damn stupid exercise in futility.

The Republicans were elected to increase jobs. Nearly a month into their reign they have done absolutely nothing to increase employment. Nothing. Where are the jobs, Boehner, where are the jobs?

Hey John, here’s an idea! Stop the intrusive and violent fundamentalist pandering and do something about the nearly 10 percent unemployment rate you ignorant bonehead!

I love how everyone on here is making it seem as though this bill will take away all rights to an abortion.
—”So, a rape victim should be forced to carry the rapist’s spawn to term? That’s another nine months of VICTIMIZATION of women. This bill would victimize and victimize and victimize the most vulnerable women: poor women.”—
NOBODY is saying that a rape victim should carry her attacker’s spawn for 9 months.
This bill was created to remove the stipulation of STATUTORY RAPE. So the American people aren’t FORCED to pay for the abortion of a 15 year old girl who slept with her 20 year old boyfriend of her own accord. I’d be more apt to pay for some parenting classes for the parents of the 15 year old, who allow their CHILD to date a 20 year old. Either way…NOBODY is stopping ANYONE from getting an abortion if that is their choosing. This simply states that the American people shouldnt have to pay for it…whether its your mistake or the result of a very bad situation. Nobody said you cant take your own money and have an abortion if you so choose. Maybe stop looking for an excuse to bitch about Republicans and start trying to find a way for us to all WORK TOGETHER. Your “bleeding heart” is fighting a losing battle. And you have the audacity to comment in a very nasty way on the very CALM response of the person who mentioned adoption because they were adopted. You, my friend, are the epitome of a blowhard who has no idea what they are talking about….just a sheep following the herd. Educate yourself a little and then try coming back.

AMEN. You deserve a standing O for this comment! :)

—”The Republicans were elected to increase jobs. Nearly a month into their reign they have done absolutely nothing to increase employment. Nothing. Where are the jobs, Boehner, where are the jobs?
Hey John, here’s an idea! Stop the intrusive and violent fundamentalist pandering and do something about the nearly 10 percent unemployment rate you ignorant bonehead!”—

Said the ignorant bonehead who seems to forget why and how we got into that lovely unemployment problem…and that is was a DEMOCRAT who got us there…thanks Obama..and all of your fantastic supporters for all that you have done…wait…what is it that youve actually DONE?!?!?!? We have no jobs, no homes, no cars and no money..so yeah…I’m totally gonna hang out on this bandwagon…because it seems to be working so well for me. The sheer idiocy of half of this country is truly laughable.

Miss Truth:

Would you please define for me “forcible rape”? I would just like to know because it seems to me you are saying the bill is attempting to remove statutory rape.

I understand where you are coming from with the 15 year old with the 20 year old, but I truly don’t believe that most parents actually LET their 15 year old date a 20 year old however cannot watch their child 24/7 as most have to do this thing called work in order to support that child. And then the parents have to foot the bill for their child’s poor decision when legally a “minor” is typically defined as someone lacking the capacity to make those types of decisions.

What about the cases where a woman is drugged, or not drugged at all, but repeatedly says no and is still overpowered by her rapist? Because there are no physical signs of the rape other than the pregnancy, should I be forced to carry that child to term if I cannot afford to have an abortion?

Do you know any 15 year olds living in poverty who have 600 dollars to spend on an abortion? My guess is you probably don’t know anyone living in poverty, or else you might have the sense to understand that girls’ lives are being ruined every day because they don’t have any other options other than to carry the baby, and they have no support in raising it from their families. And then you’ll complain when she applies for food stamps or medicaid, and tell her to get a job. But, I guess you think it’s her fault anyways for being afraid to say no to an older man…Utterly Disgusting…

No women is being denied anything. If they want an abortion they can pay for it with their money. Don’t ask me to pay to murder children.

Not my problem, James. Abortion is murder. I don’t want to pay for first degree murder for money. If the girl wants to murder her baby via an abortion she can pay for it.

The GOP would not have forced you to have your baby they would just require you to pay for the abortion which is well and proper.

I’m getting my teeth ready! Anyone wish to help me sharpen them?

And you are who? Mother Teresa? Give us a list of all your philanthropic and other charitable works that you do for women and their offspring and we’ll let you…well I won’t say it. Go fuck yourself you self-serving, two-faced bastard. Have you ever carried a baby in your womb that was put there through rape or incest? Did your father impregnate you? Did you get gang raped by a pack of filth? Did you? You are a skunk and your festering stench is pollluting our air here! And take that silly picture of yourself and photoshop it to make yourself look a little less like a fat-ass fuck from some incestous union between your father and your sister.

How many 10 year-old girls have the money to pay for an abortion? Ya really think their father who got them pregnant will pay for it? Hell, he is in jail! Get out in the real world and get real!

[...] Victims Punishment Act of 2011″: Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), tearing into Republican for proposing legislation that would restrict access to abortion for incest and rape [...]

Excuse me Miss ANTI-TRUTH, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, or exactly what this proposed misogynistic legislation would actually do! It would make it very difficult for a woman’s PRIVATE insurance plan to include abortion coverage, as well as exclude federal funding for rape victims. And it is not all about abortion, even birth control would be eliminated from private insurance coverage.
Every situation is unique, as are the girls/women who might need an abortion. You have no right to speak for others whose individual situations you have no knowledge of. I just love it when ignorant morons such as yourself think they have the right to make personal decisions regarding the private reproductive lives of women. Why don’t you actually try READING the entire proposed legislation– and you have a lot of gall telling someone else to “educate,” themselves?!
Bottom line: instead of discussing jobs or the economy, the Repug destroyed economy (BUSH)– and the continuing giveaway to the very wealthiest citizens, is NOT on the Repugs agenda. No. Instead, we have Boner the asshat clown and company, leading the charge against funding for rape victims. Do you even know what happens to a child that has been raped by her father?! You are the epitome of a cold hearted, ignorant jackass who thinks they alone can somehow tell others what should occur regarding their most personal choices. And, that is exactly how the Repugs/teabaggers work: claim they are all about “less government,” and then turn around and FORCE girls/women to have children, by government mandate.
Btw, the American taxpayers are still paying for Bush-now-Obama’s, faith based initiatives program run by various religious organizations–but that is all okay. What if I, as well as others don’t want to have to fund religious groups who are also allowed to discriminate in their hiring practices. And their activities do not have adequate oversight. (See Americans United for the Separation of Church and State). The DOJ is doing NOTHING about that. Far easier for the GOP to attack victims of rape. I sincerely doubt if the Dem Senate will stand for that much insanity from the GOP.
And, you should be ashamed of yourself! Take a good look at what your precious Repugs are doing to this country. Regardless of the fact that certain Dems are no different, the Repugs are going to continue their divisive witch-hunts, re women’s rights, immigrants, education, etc. They don’t care about jobs, or the disappearing middle class, and they sure as hell do not care about you. And, stop watching FUX.

Problem is you can’t murder what does not exist. It is a medical problem, regrettable perhaps but that’s all it is and a woman is entitled to a medical solution.

My dear…the question is very simple…and you have it wrong. The question isnt whether or not YOU should be forced to keep that child. Nobody is FORCING you to keep or not keep it. Not in any way, shape or form. The question is whether or not I should be FORCED to pay for what YOU decide to do within your own personal life. IMHO, the gov’t shouldnt be opting to pay for ANY abortions. It’s not gov’t responsibility. That becomes a church and state issue because you are now forcing Americans, who may not have the same beliefs as you, to pay for something that they may find to be against their religion.
I personally, am pro-choice. A woman should have the choice to make any decision that best suits her life, taking into account ALL circumstances. That being said, the American people should also have the choice, to make a decision to opt out of paying for something that they may find morally inapt.

My dear…the question is very simple…and you have it wrong. The question isnt whether or not YOU should be forced to keep that child. Nobody is FORCING you to keep or not keep it. Not in any way, shape or form. The question is whether or not I should be FORCED to pay for what YOU decide to do within your own personal life. IMHO, the gov’t shouldnt be opting to pay for ANY abortions. It’s not gov’t responsibility. That becomes a church and state issue because you are now forcing Americans, who may not have the same beliefs as you, to pay for something that they may find to be against their religion.
I personally, am pro-choice. A woman should have the choice to make any decision that best suits her life, taking into account ALL circumstances. That being said, the American people should also have the choice, to make a decision to opt out of paying for something that they may find morally inapt.

I feel the same anger. However, Don P isn’t really human, and has no emotions whatsoever. He is of the Forced Birth Movement, usually rightwing religious inspired, and uber misogynistic women haters. They are not human.

I feel the same anger. However, Don P isn’t really human, and has no emotions whatsoever. He is of the Forced Birth Movement, usually rightwing religious inspired, and uber misogynistic women haters. They are not human.

So, by your standard..if a 15 year old got pregnant by a 16 year old…they are entitled to
nothing.
If they cant afford an abortion, they are forced to carry to term. But if her boyfriend is over the age of 18…it’s all his fault that they even had sex in the first place and the federal government should HAVE TO pay for her medical procedure? I dont know where you THINK you live..but its NOT America, honey.

So, by your standard..if a 15 year old got pregnant by a 16 year old…they are entitled to
nothing.
If they cant afford an abortion, they are forced to carry to term. But if her boyfriend is over the age of 18…it’s all his fault that they even had sex in the first place and the federal government should HAVE TO pay for her medical procedure? I dont know where you THINK you live..but its NOT America, honey.

Nobody is asking you to pay for an abortion or anything you can take your absurd notions to another country.

Nobody is asking you to pay for an abortion or anything you can take your absurd notions to another country.

I see a lot of people asking what young girl of differing ages has money for an abortion. The answer obviously is none and those that do have the money and were not a rape victim most certainly had the money to buy the protection necessary to keep themselves out of this situation. This article however discusses that politicians want to say which rape victims deserve medicaid coverage for an abortion over another rape victim. Rape is rape, whether you fought off your attacker as best you could or chose to ride out the horror with hope that DNA and the justice system would prevail. Some people don’t want their tax dollars going towards anyones abortion regardless of how they came to be in need of said abortion. We all have our tax money going to somewhere we wouldn’t like it to go- thats why you get involved, send letters and emails to your representatives and Congressmen- voice your displeasure. I’m not saying it will change but it certainly wont if you are just sitting on your ass complaining into a computer

I see a lot of people asking what young girl of differing ages has money for an abortion. The answer obviously is none and those that do have the money and were not a rape victim most certainly had the money to buy the protection necessary to keep themselves out of this situation. This article however discusses that politicians want to say which rape victims deserve medicaid coverage for an abortion over another rape victim. Rape is rape, whether you fought off your attacker as best you could or chose to ride out the horror with hope that DNA and the justice system would prevail. Some people don’t want their tax dollars going towards anyones abortion regardless of how they came to be in need of said abortion. We all have our tax money going to somewhere we wouldn’t like it to go- thats why you get involved, send letters and emails to your representatives and Congressmen- voice your displeasure. I’m not saying it will change but it certainly wont if you are just sitting on your ass complaining into a computer

Debbie is the best choice for the first female President of this country. She is sharp as a tack
on the issues.

Debbie is the best choice for the first female President of this country. She is sharp as a tack
on the issues.

Your lack of common sense, is utterly disgusting. If your 15 year old came home and said she was pregnant, not as a result of rape…but as a result of sleeping with her boyfriend, you’d seek out the American people to pay for an abortion? That is PATHETIC and DISGUSTING. Try teaching your child that unprotected sex can potentially ruin their lives. Try talking to your kid. And if you have a job, and cant spend an extreme amount of time with your child…to the degree of it being detrimental to them …maybe find a new job and get your priorities straight!

Your lack of common sense, is utterly disgusting. If your 15 year old came home and said she was pregnant, not as a result of rape…but as a result of sleeping with her boyfriend, you’d seek out the American people to pay for an abortion? That is PATHETIC and DISGUSTING. Try teaching your child that unprotected sex can potentially ruin their lives. Try talking to your kid. And if you have a job, and cant spend an extreme amount of time with your child…to the degree of it being detrimental to them …maybe find a new job and get your priorities straight!

Not much for facts and figures are you? Ever check the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) fact sheets for the last 30 years or so? See what the economy has done (GDP, jobs lost/gained, pay rates, inflation, etc.) to see how the economy faired under each of the last 5 presidents/administrations? There are lots of resources for fact based analysis and figures that are non-partisan and only look at actual data. You might want to take a look.

Unless of course you are one of those partisan hacks who believes one party can do no wrong and the other is (insert favorite adjective here). If you are, never mind. Facts, figures … probably not high on your list of priorities.

Not much for facts and figures are you? Ever check the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) fact sheets for the last 30 years or so? See what the economy has done (GDP, jobs lost/gained, pay rates, inflation, etc.) to see how the economy faired under each of the last 5 presidents/administrations? There are lots of resources for fact based analysis and figures that are non-partisan and only look at actual data. You might want to take a look.

Unless of course you are one of those partisan hacks who believes one party can do no wrong and the other is (insert favorite adjective here). If you are, never mind. Facts, figures … probably not high on your list of priorities.

The people who are against abortion don’t seem to have any problem supporting
dropping bombs on men womwn and children…just so long as they are in foreign countries
and they don’t have to see actual pictures of little kids with their arms and legs blown off.

The people who are against abortion don’t seem to have any problem supporting
dropping bombs on men womwn and children…just so long as they are in foreign countries
and they don’t have to see actual pictures of little kids with their arms and legs blown off.

Why dont you try posting a coherent argument instead of spewing venom. You have yet to say anything that actually defends your standpoint. I may not agree that “abortion is murder”, but at least he placed his argument out there without calling out a specific person with insults.

Why dont you try posting a coherent argument instead of spewing venom. You have yet to say anything that actually defends your standpoint. I may not agree that “abortion is murder”, but at least he placed his argument out there without calling out a specific person with insults.

You are an ASS!!

You are an ASS!!

And you are the idiot.

And you are the idiot.

You are a fucking PIG. What if it happened to your daughter?

You are a fucking PIG. What if it happened to your daughter?

That’s the point. Can YOU define “Forcible” rape? Is there some OTHER kind of rape? I mean, that we have to have this discussion at all is absurd. Rape only means one thing. Someone didn’t give consent. Period. End of story.

You obviously haven’t read the legislation based on your comments and lack of knowledge of what the changes will be if it passes. Seriously, you may be well intended, but you come off sounding uninformed and speaking only from a “pro life” stance rather than someone who is compassionate and understanding.

This isn’t about 15 year olds. It’s about women/girls/children who have been forced against their will to perform sexual act(s). It’s about RAPE. It’s about lack of consent. And then being victimized again by having yet MORE rights taken away. Like the right to make sure she can make a decision about HER own body that she wasn’t allowed to make when she got RAPED.

At the end of the day, rape does NOT need to be defined. Forcible is not a necessary word to add to define RAPE. No. Means. No. Period.

That’s the point. Can YOU define “Forcible” rape? Is there some OTHER kind of rape? I mean, that we have to have this discussion at all is absurd. Rape only means one thing. Someone didn’t give consent. Period. End of story.

You obviously haven’t read the legislation based on your comments and lack of knowledge of what the changes will be if it passes. Seriously, you may be well intended, but you come off sounding uninformed and speaking only from a “pro life” stance rather than someone who is compassionate and understanding.

This isn’t about 15 year olds. It’s about women/girls/children who have been forced against their will to perform sexual act(s). It’s about RAPE. It’s about lack of consent. And then being victimized again by having yet MORE rights taken away. Like the right to make sure she can make a decision about HER own body that she wasn’t allowed to make when she got RAPED.

At the end of the day, rape does NOT need to be defined. Forcible is not a necessary word to add to define RAPE. No. Means. No. Period.

Well Don, if you read your bible closely (or at all), it should be obvious that God isn’t
pro-life.
God killed, or ordered killed, many,many thousands of men, women and children.
If God didn’t have a problem with murdering children as you called it, then why exactly
are you claiming moral authority to criticize a women for making a choice that is humane?

Well Don, if you read your bible closely (or at all), it should be obvious that God isn’t
pro-life.
God killed, or ordered killed, many,many thousands of men, women and children.
If God didn’t have a problem with murdering children as you called it, then why exactly
are you claiming moral authority to criticize a women for making a choice that is humane?

Wow, Don, you really are an ignorant sexist a-hole. Women who have been FORCED to engage in sex must then be FORCED to bear the nine months of pregnancy, the risks to personal health, and have her personal agency stripped from her a second time because a zygote has more rights to her womb than she does?! Seriously?! Not every abused woman has hundreds of dollars to pay for this much needed surgery. Just FYI, WOMEN ARE NOT WALKING INCUBATORS FOR MALE SEED NOR ARE WE BREEDING ANIMALS FOR THE STATE!!!!

Wow, Don, you really are an ignorant sexist a-hole. Women who have been FORCED to engage in sex must then be FORCED to bear the nine months of pregnancy, the risks to personal health, and have her personal agency stripped from her a second time because a zygote has more rights to her womb than she does?! Seriously?! Not every abused woman has hundreds of dollars to pay for this much needed surgery. Just FYI, WOMEN ARE NOT WALKING INCUBATORS FOR MALE SEED NOR ARE WE BREEDING ANIMALS FOR THE STATE!!!!

You pay taxes to support the Pentagon which kills thousands of innocent people every year…what is the difference?

You pay taxes to support the Pentagon which kills thousands of innocent people every year…what is the difference?

“Not my problem”

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it right there buddy. If she gets raped and can’t afford an abortion, “not your problem” If she can’t afford to raise the child, “not your problem.” The emotional scars of being forced to raise the child of the man who raped her, “not your problem.” She drops out of school to take care of the baby and loses her chance at a better life, “not your problem.”

Let ‘em eat cake, huh, Don?

It must be convenient having a morality that allows you to look at suffering and dismiss it as ‘not your problem.’ I really wonder at what point does it become ‘your problem?’ Is it ‘your problem’ when poverty reaches levels that totally collapse our economy and threaten your security and stability? Please, consider helping us address ‘our problems’ before they become bad enough to be ‘your problems.’

“Not my problem”

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it right there buddy. If she gets raped and can’t afford an abortion, “not your problem” If she can’t afford to raise the child, “not your problem.” The emotional scars of being forced to raise the child of the man who raped her, “not your problem.” She drops out of school to take care of the baby and loses her chance at a better life, “not your problem.”

Let ‘em eat cake, huh, Don?

It must be convenient having a morality that allows you to look at suffering and dismiss it as ‘not your problem.’ I really wonder at what point does it become ‘your problem?’ Is it ‘your problem’ when poverty reaches levels that totally collapse our economy and threaten your security and stability? Please, consider helping us address ‘our problems’ before they become bad enough to be ‘your problems.’

You are an ASS!!

You are an ASS!!

I said not one single word about a 10 year old being impregnated by her father. I was speaking SOLELY based upon statutory rape. I said nothing of incest or actual cases of rape. Try reading before you comment. You’ll sound just slightly more intelligent if you do.

I said not one single word about a 10 year old being impregnated by her father. I was speaking SOLELY based upon statutory rape. I said nothing of incest or actual cases of rape. Try reading before you comment. You’ll sound just slightly more intelligent if you do.

HA HA HA HA. This is another great example of legislators shooting off their mouths when they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.

First, the statute specifically states that statutory rape and incest fall under the exception – not just forcible rape. So she obviously didn’t even read the bill, and relied solely someone’s careless notes.

Second, the term “forcible rape” is rarely used in the criminal law context. Most states use terms like sexual battery, sexual assault, etc. And state laws generally provide that intercourse w/o consent (i.e. no means no) is the same crime as if you physically injured them. Ditto for the victim getting drugged and raped. Also, state laws generally include all types sex with a minor as the same crime of rape – the term “statutory rape” is really just a lay term. So she got that one wrong as well.

What is most absurd is that SHE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE LAW OF HER OWN STATE! In Florida, “sexual battery” means any type of union with the sexual organs of another. You’re committing the same crime whether the person says no but doesn’t fight, or you tie them up, or they are mentally disabled and doesn’t know what’s going on, or they are a kid, or it’s incest, or you use a roofie. Those factors simply dictate the type of punishment. So she got that wrong, too.

The fact that she doesn’t think that “statutory rape” is the same as a “forcible rape” is very funny. In Florida – her home state – if you are over 18 and you have any contact with the genitals of someone under 12 (except for medical reasons), you can get the DEATH PENALTY. It’s the highest form of rape. Another swing and a miss.

Lastly, there is no such thing as “date rape,” which is a term that’s really only used by the media. No one gets charged with “date rape.” The prosecutor doesn’t have a special charge for you just because the person you raped was your date. Rape is rape. Why doesn’t she know this?

In sum, this woman is a complete moron, who is willing to say anything to lash out at the GOP.

HA HA HA HA. This is another great example of legislators shooting off their mouths when they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.

First, the statute specifically states that statutory rape and incest fall under the exception – not just forcible rape. So she obviously didn’t even read the bill, and relied solely someone’s careless notes.

Second, the term “forcible rape” is rarely used in the criminal law context. Most states use terms like sexual battery, sexual assault, etc. And state laws generally provide that intercourse w/o consent (i.e. no means no) is the same crime as if you physically injured them. Ditto for the victim getting drugged and raped. Also, state laws generally include all types sex with a minor as the same crime of rape – the term “statutory rape” is really just a lay term. So she got that one wrong as well.

What is most absurd is that SHE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE LAW OF HER OWN STATE! In Florida, “sexual battery” means any type of union with the sexual organs of another. You’re committing the same crime whether the person says no but doesn’t fight, or you tie them up, or they are mentally disabled and doesn’t know what’s going on, or they are a kid, or it’s incest, or you use a roofie. Those factors simply dictate the type of punishment. So she got that wrong, too.

The fact that she doesn’t think that “statutory rape” is the same as a “forcible rape” is very funny. In Florida – her home state – if you are over 18 and you have any contact with the genitals of someone under 12 (except for medical reasons), you can get the DEATH PENALTY. It’s the highest form of rape. Another swing and a miss.

Lastly, there is no such thing as “date rape,” which is a term that’s really only used by the media. No one gets charged with “date rape.” The prosecutor doesn’t have a special charge for you just because the person you raped was your date. Rape is rape. Why doesn’t she know this?

In sum, this woman is a complete moron, who is willing to say anything to lash out at the GOP.

If my 15 year old came home and told me she was pregnant from a 20 year old man, I would press charges, and if I couldn’t afford to get an abortion for my 15 year old because I’m struggling to keep a roof over her head and food in her mouth, yes, I would ask for government assistance. I know a lot of people who teach their children about sex, abstinence and protection, however can’t control everything they do. And as far as spending time with your child…you’re saying what to find a job that I don’t have to work 40 hours a week that pays enough money to support myself and my child??? What planet do you live on?

If my 15 year old came home and told me she was pregnant from a 20 year old man, I would press charges, and if I couldn’t afford to get an abortion for my 15 year old because I’m struggling to keep a roof over her head and food in her mouth, yes, I would ask for government assistance. I know a lot of people who teach their children about sex, abstinence and protection, however can’t control everything they do. And as far as spending time with your child…you’re saying what to find a job that I don’t have to work 40 hours a week that pays enough money to support myself and my child??? What planet do you live on?

Good post Sophie.

Good post Sophie.

You are WAY OUT OF LINE. Neither a woman nor man CHOOSES to be raped. Apparently you never have been so maybe you shouldn’t be commenting on the subject.

You are WAY OUT OF LINE. Neither a woman nor man CHOOSES to be raped. Apparently you never have been so maybe you shouldn’t be commenting on the subject.

It does seem perverse to me, forcing people to pay for services they find immoral. It’s very coercive and it divides the entire population into opposing groups who sometimes feel they are at liberty to insult the other side.

It would be better that those who approve of abortion give generously to charities that support abortion services for those who cannot afford to pay.

In that way no one would be coerced into supporting what they find reprehensible.

I’d like to not be forced to support wars I find reprehensible.

It does seem perverse to me, forcing people to pay for services they find immoral. It’s very coercive and it divides the entire population into opposing groups who sometimes feel they are at liberty to insult the other side.

It would be better that those who approve of abortion give generously to charities that support abortion services for those who cannot afford to pay.

In that way no one would be coerced into supporting what they find reprehensible.

I’d like to not be forced to support wars I find reprehensible.

“You have no right to speak for others whose individual situations you have no knowledge of. I just love it when ignorant morons such as yourself think they have the right to make personal decisions regarding the private reproductive lives of women”—
Agreed…and I spoke for nobody but myself and never claimed otherwise. YOU, on the other hand, have just committed the very act that you claim to be audacious. Good job! =)

“You have no right to speak for others whose individual situations you have no knowledge of. I just love it when ignorant morons such as yourself think they have the right to make personal decisions regarding the private reproductive lives of women”—
Agreed…and I spoke for nobody but myself and never claimed otherwise. YOU, on the other hand, have just committed the very act that you claim to be audacious. Good job! =)

Actually, even the life or well-being of a pregnant woman does not count – in childbirth, in a Catholic hospital, if there is a choice to be made between mother and child, the child will be saved.

Actually, even the life or well-being of a pregnant woman does not count – in childbirth, in a Catholic hospital, if there is a choice to be made between mother and child, the child will be saved.

Absurd? You are they absurd one. Have you read what you wrote? It truly is absurd.

Absurd? You are they absurd one. Have you read what you wrote? It truly is absurd.

I find killing Iraqi civilians morally “inappropriate” but I am forced to pay for it…your argument holds no water…if I am against war I should be able to opt out of paying for it right…this is your argument. This is the problem with the right, they feel their “feelings” are more important than the common good, it is a selfish, petulant attitude that will cause our nation great harm in the long run. Tell you what, you pay for the poor rape victim to get some healthcare and I wont charge you for my military service to my country.

I find killing Iraqi civilians morally “inappropriate” but I am forced to pay for it…your argument holds no water…if I am against war I should be able to opt out of paying for it right…this is your argument. This is the problem with the right, they feel their “feelings” are more important than the common good, it is a selfish, petulant attitude that will cause our nation great harm in the long run. Tell you what, you pay for the poor rape victim to get some healthcare and I wont charge you for my military service to my country.

Dan, you’re doing a lot of rambling about state laws. However, you do realize that this is a federal bill, right? You do understand that a federal bill for federal funds will trump the state definitions, right? Ah, just another example of a conservative idiot shooting their mouth off when they have NO IDEA what they’re talking about!

Dan, you’re doing a lot of rambling about state laws. However, you do realize that this is a federal bill, right? You do understand that a federal bill for federal funds will trump the state definitions, right? Ah, just another example of a conservative idiot shooting their mouth off when they have NO IDEA what they’re talking about!

No “honey” an 18 year old is an adult with the capacity to abstain from having sex with someone under age.

No “honey” an 18 year old is an adult with the capacity to abstain from having sex with someone under age.

Miss_Truth, it would seem that you lack the ability to conceive of circumstances outside your own (EMPATHY). I agree that parents should talk to their kids and raise them to have the sense not to have unprotected sex. But, first of all you are assuming that all 15 year olds have homes and that all 15 year olds live with parents. This just isn’t true. There are thousands of kids who are homeless, or who are in the foster care system, with little to no support from anyone other than your precious American taxpayer money. I hope you would not wish that their lives be ruined just because they weren’t lucky like you to have someone to raise them well and nurture and support them.

Miss_Truth, it would seem that you lack the ability to conceive of circumstances outside your own (EMPATHY). I agree that parents should talk to their kids and raise them to have the sense not to have unprotected sex. But, first of all you are assuming that all 15 year olds have homes and that all 15 year olds live with parents. This just isn’t true. There are thousands of kids who are homeless, or who are in the foster care system, with little to no support from anyone other than your precious American taxpayer money. I hope you would not wish that their lives be ruined just because they weren’t lucky like you to have someone to raise them well and nurture and support them.

Dickhead! You are so cold and wrong….you probably couldn”t even ‘pay’ for your own proctology exam…it would be oral in your case because you are talking out of your ass.

You have no knowledge of myself or what I do for a living so your remarks are COMPLETELY unmerited. I am WELL versed in all things political and historical. I am VERY familiar with the CBO…quite likely, leaps and bounds beyond yourself. If you’re interested in statistics…try looking up our unemployment rate under Obama in comparison to ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS. Try looking up the OPPOSAL ratings, as opposed to the approval ratings, of just about EVERYTHING this president has done. I KNOW the Bush issues….try copping to the OBAMA issues. I can easily identify with many aspects of BOTH parties. I am in no way a “partisan hack”. But your words have very indelibly proven that you are.

Actually if YOU take the time to read any of my other comments before making yours, you would have seen that I posted that rape by its definition is non-consentual hence is “forcible rape”. Miss Truth states this legislation is trying to throw out statutory rape only.

I’m more than aware that no means NO period.

Thats an astronomically, well thought out, intelligent rebuttal. You should be very proud of yourself. And look…you spelled “idiot” correctly. Good for you! =)

I agree that using tax payer money to fund abortion is an infringement on the rights of those taxpayers who observe their religion or conscientious personal philosophy to freely exercise their religious practice.

Better would be for abortion supporters to give to charities who provide abortion services and keep taxpayer money out of it. That way, those who fund abortion can make all the rules and regulations they want without being coerced to accept input from those who find abortion inconsistent with their moral choices.

Are you willing to pay for the raising and education of that child so it can become a valued member of our society? I sincerely doubt it – you are the type who likes to blow off about the “murder” of children but care nothing about their well-being after the fact. Until you can carry a fetus to term, birth it, feed, clothe and support it, your blabber means nothing.

Question – how do you feel about the death penalty or about war?

State law has everything to do with this. There is no such thing as “rape” as far as Federal law goes. The Federal government has no power to make rape illegal. Read your Constitution (if you even have one). So in other words, any court or agency reviewing this law would have to look at the state law definition of “rape” to give meaning to the Bill, since there is no Federal definition.

Glad to know that the people drinking the Kool Aid that Schultz is serving are real legal scholars.

The bottom line is that she obviously NEVER READ THE BILL. Neither have you. Read the bill and you’ll see that all of Schultz’s concerns are a complete fantasy.

Why on earth would anyone believe that the GOP would have Federal money funding abortions due to a woman being beaten and raped, but NOT fund abortions due to the victim being 11 years old any simply not able to fight back? That doesn’t even make sense.

Oh I mean “decides” to be raped….If I am a woman who gets raped and cannot afford an abortion if I choose not to carry and deliver my rapist’s baby, I shouldn’t be allowed government assistance? Yet the government pays money to people willing to keep popping out babies?? That makes SO much sense.

A very well thought out post with no inkling of an insult toward any party. I am shocked and appalled to find this amidst the sea of uneducated comments made by people who know nothing of politics. I thank you for this post and agree with you, whole heartedly.

Who are you to force others to pay for what they regard as moral crime even if it is technically legal? If you have been forced to do something against your will, why are you not more sensitive to the wishes of others who do not want to be forced to do what is against their will?

It is typical of warlike people to dehumanize those whom they wish to destroy. How like a neoconlib you are. You who call yourself liberal are little more than bloody fascist!

If you actually read the bill, you will see that all forms of rape fall under the exception. It doesn’t pick and choose which kinds of rape victims get federal funds. They all do.

What is troubling is that you have a United States Congresswoman who is going on record and making vicious comments, and she obviously never read the bill.

And Don is entitled to not be forced to pay for that solution. Don does exist and he has rights that are not secondary to yours or anyone else’s when it comes to his conscience and his property.

She may be the best choice for a Democratic Candidate, in your opinion. That, however, does not make her the best choice for President of the United States of America. I personally dont care if we end up with a female president or not…just that whoever it is, has some common sense, actual experience and no personal agenda.

Date rape does not only apply to dates!! It pretty much applies to someone getting drugged and taken advantage of!!

I was buying it till then

Well, I can see why Republicans would be concerned about running up the national debt funding abortions for incest, statutory rape, etc. . . . Why, what on earth do I mean ?
GOOGLE ~ REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES
PS – Boehner, you would refuse a child an abortion? because you want to victimize them
again ? I’m now quite certain – Those are CROCK-O-DIAL tears.
What amazes me ? We still keep voting for these Neanderthals
An American Patriot
you are capable of only CROCK-O-DILE tears

Amen.

Just to let you know I gave you 10 likes.

Well, if you want to stop paying for war against your will, stop demanding others pay for what they regard as moral crime against their will.

Wow, you haven’t been paying much attention if you think Obama hasn’t achieved anything. He saved 1 Million jobs for the auto industry and that doesn’t include the auto parts industry that would have gone down with the auto industry if he hadn’t bailed them out. We have basically made a profit on TARP which was not expected, Education reform is on a scale that is bigger than anyone had dreamed of and is quite successful already, food in schools will be more nutritional than ever b4, thanks to Obama and the First Lady, 40K troops have been sent to Afghanistan to disrupt the Taliban which aid Al Quada, which keeps our country safe, military has better equipment than ever b4 keeping them safe, and I’m sure you haven’t realized that regardless of the BS that is all over the news, YOUR TAXES have gone down and that was b4 the latest tax cut for everyone, including the stinking rich!!!!! That is just the stuff that is uncontroversial. I haven’t even talked about the stuff like health care for the uninsurable, stimulus, START Treaty and DADT, all of which you may or may not be for. I do agree with you about the fundamentalist pandering, that is really annoying. Jobs are coming and it’s not bcause of John Behner that’s for sure.

Thank you! Yes subhuman!

You, evidently, have no idea how the law works. Might I suggest watching Schoolhouse Rock’s- “How a Bill Becomes a Law”? It’s obvious that you need a little education and that might just be the right medium for you.

Thank you…for actually knowing what the hell you are talking about. It is more appreciated than you could possibly know. =)

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I honestly believe that anyone who is being coerced into paying for something he/she finds morally reprehensible not only has the right to vote against it, but should also have the right to refuse to pay for it.

=)….solidarity, sister!

This is by far the most misogynistic bill presented in the House of Representatives in a very long time. This bill’s obvious intent is to make women second-class citizens with absolutely no control over their lives in any way. If women can be denied abortion rights when they are raped then we are heading in a very dangerous direction in this nation. Vote Progressive and NEVER “sit this one out” again.

No, Don, murder is murder. A person MUST be alive in order to be murdered. You cannot murder a corpse, nor can you murder a being who has never been. A clumping of cells is NOT a person. If you support capital punishment, you sponser murder. When we support a woman’s right to make her own medical decisions, we support the well-being of the entire
community. Do you know that fully HALF of ALL pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion? Guess God isn’t so sure that they should ALL be born. Even woman of devout worship and pure souls have spontaneous abortions, so you cannot claim that God chooses to abort only the babies of sinners.

“No brains waves equals no life.” When brainwaves stop for a person, life ends. When there are no brainwaves to begin with, a unique life cannt exist. A unique human life does not exist in a woman’s (or girls’s) utuerus until well into the fifth month, after brainwaves develop. Until that time, ALL functions of the developing fetus are ENTIRELY CONTROLLED by the mothers nervous system. That early “heartbeat”, claimed by anti-woman’s rights movements as proof of life, is ONLY there because the mother’s nervous system is producing it to help in the development of the fetus. This issue is ALWAYS clouded by emotion, so talking reality on this issue to most people can make them very uncomfortable, often angry. However, the truth is the truth is the truth, no matter how much people use emotion to hide the truth.

And, Sophie, as emotionally illiterate as the arguments against abortion are, they are not all misogynistic (although, granted, many are.). Most, in our experience, are mostly well meaning, if ill-informed, people of limited and/or hyper-religious education who dare not question what their parents and/or clergy have drilled (sometimes, literally) into their brains. To ignore the emotional aspects of the the non-misogynists’ intent ignores the fact that drives this whole issue: people LOVE babies and want to protect them just as much as we do. We love babies, as well, and if a 5 month old fetus was a unique individual, and not just a group of cells which MAY become a unique human life, we could not argue in defense of a woman’s right to choose, at that point.

Get your uterus out of the public trough and the GOP, the Catholic Church, and everyone else who finds coerced funding for abortion unacceptable, will get out of your uterus.

You have handed over your autonomy over to politicians by demanding the government pay for the consequences of your private sexual activity.

Miss “TooCute”,
My comment was based upon something that was said by another person, in reference to THEMSELF…not something for you to comment on as you are NOT the person who said it. Therefore, your response is senseless and unimportant.

This is not about abortion being murder or not! It is about the rights
of women, forced pregnancies, back alley abortions and unutterable
agony that women have suffered as a result of being forced to bear
children under any circumstances whether that is rape, incest or even
just plain unwanted pregnancies. What is their to defend about that?
That is a given! It has to do with a woman’s right to OWN her OWN
body.

That you consider my form of expression venomous has to do with your
own cultural world view, religious background, educational
experiences and what not. Some may consider the harshness of my words
as plain unacceptable, but they are a form of expression that is just
that: EXPRESSION. You have a right to give your critique if you so
wish, but I do not have to agree with you either. And I do not have
to defend my emotions or style, form or subjective experiences to you.
No one has to defend their expression to you.

So why don’t you try posting something that has some color to it? The
world is already far too bland with coherent rhetoric that exhibits no
emotional intensity whatsoever. Abortion is an emotional issue PERIOD.

I know, man, people who get raped and get pregnant from that just shouldn’t have had sex. Those whores. You’re SPOT ON.

Really, are you people listening to yourselves?

Rape Is a crime! Republicans want to inflict more pain and suffering on women and society and Children by creating unchallenged victims. ( and of course they have no means or money to pay for these unwanted and unloved children)
This bill is just more of Republican efforts at destroying America by violence and hatred !

No matter what is voted on, or proposed, everybody will not be satisfied. In the proposed health care legislation, Federally funded abortion was denied, and should remain that way. I do not want my tax dollars paying for an abortion in any shape or form. She should think about finding another “back-door” way to pay for it like I am sure she can.

The real crime is forcing the American taxpayer to pay for an elective surgery. If things get bad- there is always a D&C, an abortion like procedure that does not carry the connotations that an abortion does. The Left always says give to anybody- we have the money, the Right wants people to earn what you get. I earn my tax money and I do not want my tax money paying for abortions– period.

I am a big time opponent of abortion, and I truly believe that in ALL cases, children are gifts from God and that ALL life should be proctected. That having been said, I would NEVER attempt to define rape as excluding the things that this bill plans to exclude. I agree completely with the comment made by WS, that rape is rape, regardless of the physical or mental condition of a woman. I also would never be so bold as to tell a woman who had gone through such a horrific thing that they absolutely had to carry a baby born out of it. I believe that the plan-b pill is a WONDERFUL thing for these women, allowing them to not have to make that decision in the first place, but this is only possible if women seek immediate treatment, and the sad fact is that many do not.
Both from a statistical vantage point and a biological one, the chances of a woman becoming pregnant from a rape is actually very low, for multiple reasons, but it does occur. I would encourage those women to really think seriously about adoption for those children, because I believe that every life deserves a chance and has equal value, but I would also never condemn a woman for not being able to make that choice.
I believe in God and while He grieves deeply for those children who are killed before birth, He also grieves deeply for women who are abused in this way. And while He would never condone killing an innocent child, He also forgives those who feel that they have no other choice.
In fact, though I am most definitely pro-life, I have often said that if abortion should be allowed at all, it should be for those women who were raped.
As hard as it is to believe for many people, God loves EVERY human equally, from the child to the woman, and even the rapist, and the whole thing breaks His heart. Humans do awful things to each other as an abuse of the free-will that was given to us and intended as a gift.
This bill, however, does absolutely nothing to help solve the problem of sexual assualt, does nothing to help victims, and certainly has nothing to do with love and caring for those involved. It doesn’t even have anything to do with punishing the perpetrators. It has to do with money. I have loved republican ideals of the past, and still stand with them on many individual issues, but in this case, I must say “SHAME on you, GOP, shame. This is awful and selfish and you know it. I am embarassed by you and for you, and you should all hang your heads in shame.”

They are not denying them the right to abort—-They are denying them a taxpayer funded abortion.

I’m well aware that abortion is an emotional issue. And I didn’t ask you to explain or defend any of your emotions. Nor did I say that “abortion is murder”. I simply commented that, if you can spew insults at people, you should at least be able to back up your passion with a little bit of intelligence. You dont feel something without reason. And when you spout vile opinions instead of discussing what the actual problem is, you end up where this country is at present….stalemate.

the states would not have to look at the state law definition of rape – they would have to look at the state definition of “forcible rape”. the point of this article is that this could be miscontrued and used by the courts in many different ways.

“forcible rape” is unclear language and shouldn’t be written into law. i’d take a second look if they care to take the time to write out exactly what they mean here and not leave it up to random citizens like you to “educate” people.

everyone has an agenda… i think you mean you want to vote for a president who shares your agenda.

The word is CROCODILE. There are no hyphens…its a figure of speech, not a legal term. And while youre at it…try looking up Democratic pedophiles. To comment and insinuate that pedophiles are SOLELY Republican, is preposterous, naive and sad. The bill was written in the first place, because of the miscreants that are abusing the system in an attempt to have someone else pay for what they are wrongfully using as a form of birth control.

Thank you for understanding what the hell is going on =)

No, the real crime here is RAPE, and your desire to punish the victims.

When you had your heart removed, who paid for that elective surgery?

I’m opposed to the slaughter of innocent victims of the illegal wars- how do I opt out of paying for that?

Would you be so uncharitable if your daughter or granddaughter weer raped?

You guys are all f!@#ing retarded. Politicians should not be making the decisions. They should be made by scientists and other technical people who have any idea what the f!@# they’re talking about. This entire country, indeed the entire world, is a joke. And you all sit here arguing about which side said what based on their flimsy ethical theories.

NOBODY is denying that rape is a crime. And could you PLEASE tell me where all these “violent Republicans” are? Cause in all of my years, I have yet to see a Republican wreaking havoc on my city. Or any other for that matter.

IRAQ is a HUGE ABORTION…………….. brought to you by Dr. BUSH

That is categorically untrue. Try readin g again. I said a “personal” agenda…not a political one. I am not so naive as to think that a person running for office is free of all agendas. I’d just prefer someone who doesnt make the American people feel as though they are a part of the grand scheme of a PERSONAL agenda to be a friggin’ “Celebident”, rather than the PRESIDENT. Regardless of party affiliation.

Your ability to hold a clear conversation about my uterus, my private sexual activity and then, my not so private violation called rape seems to be limited by your one-sided view.
Take it down a notch and look around you, Jaimie11. Most women expect that they will pay their own healthcare bills, but much more cogently, they want to make those healthcare choices without any assistance from others. Particularly, others who cannot seem to grasp the basic notion of privacy. Men are provided privacy in such matters, why not women?

I resent paying for your Viagra, MOTHER-KILLER!

Unfortunately, politicians are in the middle of this. How do you expect to get them out of it?

As for your tiresome assertion that the entire country and world is a joke is a cop out. Get your head out, man, and start offering real solutions.

I appreciate your point that your money shouldn’t go for what you ethically despise. Do you also not want to fund capital punishment, war?
As for your statement about you earn your tax money, what does that mean? We all earn our money.

To assure that “she” is punished convincingly, she will find another back-door way to pay for it. Not only might she have been forced, tortured, raped, incested, sodomized but now you want to cruelly force her to find a back-door way out of it all.
In the name of the right to life of the foetus, you torture “her”?? Where is your compassion for the woman?

No Republicans wreak havoc on your city? Where in the name of creation do you live? Have you listened to Speaker Boener? Have you witnessed the incredibly insensitive, morally repugnant views of Mitch McConnell?

And AGAIN…your comment makes no sense. Do you READ these before you post?…Because you SHOULD. YES…an 18 year old has the mental wherewithal to abstain from sex with a minor. But if the sex is had, in a CONSENSUAL form, and results in a pregnancy…you are telling me that the federal government and the American people OWE it to them to pay for their ELECTIVE surgery? I dont think so HONEY. Its self entitled a@#holes like that, that are RAPING the citizens of this country of their hard earned money, to fund something that they may have serious moral or personal issues with.

Thank you, 6girlsgrandpa! I am proud to read your words and love that your sentiments.

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Miss TRUTH — you absolutely get to say that you don’t want your tax money to go to abortion and I can say that I don’t want my tax money to fund a war of choice in Iraq. Why should your want prevail over mine? More to the point, the outrage here for me is the definition of rape as “forcible.” As if to say that some rape is consentual or even encouraged? It’s the old white man mentality making sure he keeps the women in their place, and particularly the impoverished or victims of incest. If you really are a “Miss” I would hope that you would wish for something less draconian for your daughters.

At what point did I say that a person “CHOOSES” to be raped? I would NEVER say such an absurdity. I have said nothing at all, that could be considered, “way out of line”. Also, you have ZERO knowledge of my personal history so you may want to keep those comments to yourself unless you’d like to make this a less than civil conversation. My personal experiences are what makes me the perfect candidate for a conversation on this subject. You have yet to say anything that is even coherent, let alone educated.

Well said, Kendra, well said.

Dan, Read again and then read the piece from one of the vocal supporters of the bill and major players in the pro-life movement’s admission that it does, indeed, define certain types of rape as not falling under this category of “forcible.” And how was WS’s comment “vicious?” She said it was outrageous, that hardly equates to “vicious.”

How many times did you use the word “you”? And how many times did you
use the word “I”?

Miss_LIAR, I’m praying YOU get raped and die from pregnancy-caused pulmonary hypertension. You deserve it!

But, that’s where you and I disagree, Don. Iit is your problem because if, under your regime, she must keep the child, then you’re going to pay a heck of a lot more of your money for her o.b. care, delivery, and then taking care of that child medically, perhaps until he/she is 18. I’m not much of an advocate for abortion, but at the end of the day, what a woman does with her body is really none of your business. If we go down this road, then we’ll have to start advocating that only people within a +/- 2% of their ideal BMI will be able to receive medicare and medicaid. I mean, after all, if they can’t control what they put in their mouth, then I have no desire to pay for their resulting health problems, right? It’s a slippery slope you’re on, Don.

Miss_LIAR, go back to your little Nazi schoolhouse run by pedophile priests. The rest of us REAL women won’t be throw-away brood mares for rapists’ sperm.

If you want women to be first class citizens repeal Roe v Wade and the laws against abortion that it replaced. Women should have complete control over their own bodies, without government telling them if, when, how, and why they could, should or would have or not have an abortion. Keep the government out of regulating women’s bodies and their consciences.

And encourage those who wish to fund abortion to give generously to charities and medical institutions for the purpose of providing abortion services. Stop forcing people who are morally opposed to abortion to pay for abortion.

Miss_LIAR, YOUR agenda is to enslave women as incubators for pedophile priests.

He’s just being over indulgent. His position does not support freedom for women, only freedom to have government take care of them. That is slavery to my mind.

First off let me make my self clear – I am in no way in support of this bill. Second, it is my foremost opinion that no law should ever be made using any religious backing – period. This is America, where the Separation of Church and State is the foundation of government – not your god, my god, or any other god.

That being said, after reading the ACTUAL BILL it is clear that NONE of the other commentors here have actually read it. If you had, it would be apparent that the bill is NOT denying abortion funding in cases of rape or in cases of imminent harm/death of the mother as a result of the pregnancy.

PLEASE READ:

“SEC. 309. TREATMENT OF ABORTIONS RELATED TO RAPE, INCEST, OR PRESERVING THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.
‘The limitations established in sections 301, 302, 303, and 304 shall not apply to an abortion–
‘(1) if the pregnancy occurred because the pregnant female was the subject of an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest; or
‘(2) in the case where the pregnant female suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the pregnant female in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.”

Dan and Miss_LIAR are the same sock puppet troll.

HeilMary don’t bother with Miss Truth. She knows everything except how to use apostrophes with possessives.

Miss_LIAR, ALL YOU DO INSULT EVERYONE.

She’s a bombastic ass HeilMary! Don’t waste your words on her kind.

Again…my comment was in response to the diatribe of another person and their idiotic comment.
“This bill is just more of Republican efforts at destroying America by violence and hatred !”
I simply asked them to give me an example of VIOLENCE by a Republican. Neither they, nor YOU have done so. Good job.

Everyone has an agenda Miss Truth or were you born yesterday? Show me an individual, just one, who does not own a personal agenda in this life? You?

Personal and political are one Miss Truth; one reflects the other. They are virtually inseparable.

You aren’t paying for it, jackass. But you don’t mind paying for the US to bomb people all over the world. Is that called “liberating” instead of murder. This money issue is the most specious of arguments.

It is an ELECTIVE SURGERY. Not even remotely comparable to war.

You have no knowledge of “myself”? LOL Why are you using the reflexive form silly? LOL
What a little fool you are. Miss Truth you are so transparent don’t you know that? Stop making a repugnant, bombastic ass out of yourself on this forum.

Miss_LIAR, as I scroll down, all I see you offering is your own snotty ego.

umm, you get dumber by the moment with your line of thought (and I use that term loosely). Reproductive health care is part of women’s health care as well as men’s. Since you cannot get pregnant, you cannot think logically about finances, nor understand tax allocations, you fail to see how dumb your statement is. You read somewhere that your money is being used to kill babies and you swallowed that hook, line and sinker. But I would love to see you post something that backs that sentiment up in reality.

She can’t answer you Sophie. She doesn’t know.

Again, she ends her sentence with a preposition and then she has the audacity to correct others here on their grammatical and spelling errors. C’est domage.

I know that Miss Truth means well but she has an odd way of making herself look foolish especially when she continues to use the reflexive form when it does not apply and particularly when she does not use the plural form of the pronoun in question. Which would be what Miss Truthy?

If a woman dies because YOU prevented her from a life-saving abortion, YOU should be arrested for using a fetus instead of a fist to murder her on behalf of pedophile priests. I don’t want to pay for your Viagra and pedophile Asian sex tours. Fetuses grossly maim and murder their mothers at staggering rates, therefore abortion is SELF-DEFENSE.

I never, at any point, said that I was against abortion. Try READING before you post, you schmuck. And your “statistics” couldnt possibly be more INCORRECT. And PLEASE tell me, in what way it is, that I am keeping birth control unavailable. You have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Going on a rant for the useless sake of going on a rant, has gotten you nowhere because ALL of your arguments, are completely unfounded. I believe birth control should be readily available to any and every person who needs it.
Furthermore, you personally KNOW people who have died as a result of getting face and breast eating cancers solely because they carried an unwanted pregnancy? That is AMAZING…you should call Ripley’s.

I’ll bet Don complains about overpopulated Mexicans now invading our country, never mind that the pedophile “pro-life” Catholic Church made their economy unlivable.

Cute how you presume to speak for your god… just sayin’…

Tough titties!

Don would dump any wife suffering obstetric fistula incontinence or quadruple limb amputations from childbirth sepsis.

Wrong!

I resent my tax money supporting Don’s Viagra and pedophile priests’ tax exemptions for their holy matricide campaigns.

Who are you to defend maiming and murdering MOTHERS on behalf of pedophile priests and rapists?? That you force pregnancy dangers on women makes you guilty of criminal Munchausen by Proxy abuse.

That’s a fantastic comeback. Really. You’re a big, intelligent adult. And you have still done nothing and said nothing, that makes you sound like person who is over the age of 12. You have made not one, single, coherent point yet. But if you insist on spouting your ill-informed, nonsensical idiocy, I hear Perez Hilton is looking for another bitch to comment on nothingness. I think you’d be really good at it.

Speaking of idiotic… in my long life experience, I’ve learned that when a person bills him/herself as something like a teller of truth… they NEVER are!

You’re the bloody fascist fetal idolator who dehumanizes women as cows.

We already pay for your Viagra, abandoned kids, pedophile church tax exemptions, and oil heist wars.

But way to offend the gay community with your lovely badge there. A real bleeding-heart, you are.

I see in your “long life” experience, you’ve somehow missed the lessons on how to NOT be an asshole.

So, let me make sure I’m clear. Since you pay for war against your will then it is okay for you to force others to pay for something else that is against their will?

Do you see how ridiculous this is – the government steals our money and does thing with we don’t approve of. Now, this would evidence that the government is acting unlawfully.

Why not get together and stop it, instead of fighting over who gets raped worse by the rogue corrupt criminal operation that is perpetrating this deceitful scheme.

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NOBODY is being denied an abortion, you shithead. But you ARE NOT entitled to have SOMEONE else pay for it. It is YOUR BODY AND YOUR CHOICE. You have ZERO idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Again…are you going to actually SAY anything? Cause I’m still waiting.

You really are a haughty out of touch heartless creature, Miss_ (what’s the _ for) Thing…

Twinkle the argument isn’t about banning abortion it is about whether the state
should pay for it. Stay focused Twinkle. No women is being denied anything if
they have money they may purchase an abortion just like I can buy a new car or a
new house if I want it.

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Miss_LIAR, we have no jobs because you Catholic Rethugs keep Third World women in incubating slavery so their starving kids can slave at our outsourced jobs. Your Nazi Orwellian rewriting of history conveniently leaves out Reagan and the Bushes exported our jobs before Obama inherited their looting party mess. YOU FLUNK!

Iraq was an ELECTIVE WAR Miss_THING!

When the left can’t refute arguments they throw out ad hom attacks. No one is
being forced to carry a baby to term. Abortion isn’t being outlawed at all all
that is happening is we aren’t forcing other people to pay for abortions. If I
want a nose job I have to pay for it women should have to pay for abortions and
not ask the tax payer to pick up the bill. Stay focused lefties.

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SEC. 309. TREATMENT OF ABORTIONS RELATED TO RAPE, INCEST, OR PRESERVING THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.
‘The limitations established in sections 301, 302, 303, and 304 shall not apply to an abortion–
‘(1) if the pregnancy occurred because the pregnant female was the subject of an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest; or
‘(2) in the case where the pregnant female suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the pregnant female in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.”

EDUCATE YOURSELF…just a little bit…I promise, it won’t hurt.

Hear Hear!

Miss_LIAR, don’t you have a married Rethug to bang in appreciation or are you too ugly??

HeilMary1… I think I love you!

Your comment is repugnant – you should be ashamed. You do know what shame is? What a normal person feels when they have done wrong.

Instead of praying for harm to befall another, try praying to find some way of becoming a decent human being.

Miss_LIAR aka Partisan Hack, you are blaming Obama for losses that started under the Bushes. Your extreme egotism reminds me of a troll who claimed most working women were worthless as employees.

Haughty: “Arrogantly superior and disdainful.”
That sums you up in a nut shell Miss_THING!

Let them go – some people are uneducable. It’s not worth the stress to talk to stones and expect a meaningful response.

Miss_LIAR, if you had brains, you wouldn’t post such idiocy.

Murder refers to the killing of a person. A fetus is not a person.

Miss_LIAR, regardless of how the teen got pregnant, the deadly pregnancy complications alone justify abortion.

Miss_LIAR, YOU’RE senseless and unimportant.

you obviously don’t get it.
at all.

Wrong! Nobody here is wishing to destroy Doughboy Don. We’re simply pointing out his and your lack of humanity. Btw, you might want to look up the meaning of the word fascist… ;)

We’ve already seen how little regard the regressives have for women’s health and lives. As in all other cases, they will redefine “forcible rape, “danger of death,” and “life-endangering physical condition” right out of existence. Notice how it conveniently excludes statutory rape, too.

Grammar, son, grammar…

I have relative, who like you, believes in Wizards and magic and things that aren’t.
I love her dearly.

Revisionist history, Miss_THING! Can you spell DELUSIONAL BITCH?

BINGO!!!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Backatcha Miss_THING!

There’s nothing left to do but laugh at you Miss_THINGY!!!

Yada yada yada…

Hehe…

Read it again. It specifies “forcible rape” (whatever the nasty old gits in any given state legislature determine that to mean) and makes no mention of statutory rape.

I’m not trying to start a fight; I’m just looking for some clarification.

You write:

“Do you see how ridiculous this is – the government steals our money and does thing with we don’t approve of. Now, this would evidence that the government is acting unlawfully.”

What is the law (title and statute number) that says the government must only spend my tax dollars on things I personally approve of? Or that “we” (meaning who exactly.?) personally approve of? And under what set of rules does this fictionally constructed “we” come to an agreement on what things “we” are going to approve of or not?

Can we run the military, the CIA, and the National Security Agency the same way?

It is pleasant to see such level-headed, open-minded Christians. I admire you greatly and hope you’ll continue to participate in the conversation.

As long as you are willing to agree to the same conditions for your ignorant wars of choice and trillions of dollars of military hardware, I could go along with your logic here.

Let’s follow Immanuel Kant’s categorical imperative and make your suggestion universal. No one is saying that you can’t have an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, a Marine Corps, a Coast Guard, an FBI, a National Security Agency, etc., if you want it, just don’t make the American taxpayer foot the bill for it.

If you are willing to accept that proposition, I will accept yours.

Deal?

You might convince more people of your humanity, if you were a little less condescending!

During my childhood in the 1950s my family and I were watching TV it must have been the news, and the then, Pope, Pope Pius X!! was speaking about contraception and how good women of faith should not use any form contraception. My mother turned towards the television and stated defiantly when the Pope starts to bear children then he could start telling her what to do with her body.
When the right wing take control of power one of the first things they want to do is to indirectly decriminalize certain forms of rape and pedophilia, as in the above article.

hyperbolic language also exploits rape survivors. i agree the “redefinition” of rape is obscene and absurd. I also think we need not start the hand wringing hysteria every TIME the GOP does something stupid.

i was raped repeatedly as a little girl. I did not fight back. Therefore, I was not raped.

The Republicans and that Democrat Pro-Life Fanatic want to water down the law so that they can get away with the rape and incest that has always been a hallmark of the religious right. Child molesters and defilers always try to become
father figures and let
God be the
lookout to frighten frighten the victims into silence

I bet if one of these wonderful white, christian male rethuglicans daughters were raped by a black man they would be the first one banging on the abortion clinics door. No I’m not being racist. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of the GOP (Grumpy old perverts).

yeah, why only incest? I was repeatedly raped as a child. i did not fight back. therefore i was not raped???

I like this especially: “Don’t ask me to pay to murder children.” This is a sentiment that I agree with of course, I include Afghan children, Iraqi children, Egyptian children, Palestinian children, and Israeil children, as well as Somalian children, Colombian children, Puerto Rican children, Vietnamese children, Cambodian children, Laotian children, in fact any children whose deaths have been attributed to the American military or American backed military operations?

Are you against funding all war efforts, and against all wars, and for social service programs that protect children from starvation, inadequate health care and other travesties including gun laws that might prevent children from killing children with guns (such as mandatory gun locks, etc.) whether by accident or on purpose, that can result in the death of these children?

Or are you only concerned with children until birth and too greedy to do anything to protect or enable their survival after they are born. What about laws against child abuse and parents who believe that they have the right to beat their kids? How do you stand on that?

Let me reiterate:

As long as you are willing to agree to the same conditions for your ignorant wars of choice and trillions of dollars of military hardware, I could go along with your logic here.

Let’s follow Immanuel Kant’s categorical imperative and make your suggestion universal. No one is saying that you can’t have an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, a Marine Corps, a Coast Guard, an FBI, a National Security Agency, etc., if you want it, just don’t make the American taxpayer foot the bill for it.

If you are willing to accept that proposition, I will accept yours.

Deal?

[...] rights, one House member is not taking the change lightly. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) “fiercely denounced” her conservative colleagues for this “absolutely outrageous” dilution of victims’ rights. [...]

Don’t be so disingenuous. Clearly you support this law.
If a little girl is raped by a family friend, no exception is made. As well, the “medical” exceptions can be argued until it is far too late for an abortion. As well, if a women disagrees with the doctors assessment of her health, she may not have the resources to see another doctor, The is particularly true of middle and lower income women, and women whose partners will know if they see a different doctor. Or, is there a Planned Parenthood office on every corner in Utah.

I think TooCute was referring to this line of yours @ : “The question is whether or not I should be FORCED to pay for what YOU decide to do within your own personal life.”

It is important to call HR3 by its proper name: It’s the “‘LIE BACK AND ENJOY IT!’ BILL!”
HR3 is a Pro-Rapist Bill, and the Republican House Majority is the Pro-Rape Caucus!

Remember that in 2012…

Why doesn’t Wasserman-Schultz revisit the GOP’s support of the businessmen in the Marianas, where Sex Slavery and Forced Abortions were protected by Tom Delay, Rep. Bob Ney, and their friend, Jack Abramoff ? John Boehner didn’t fight to permit the Miller Bill 0701 (The Human Dignity Act) to come to the floor to support those TEEN girls. He doesn’t really care about abortions!

Like the Vatican, the reslugliCONs want poor people to have tons of kids so they can never move up and have social and political power.

LaDoyle don’t waste your breath on Miss Truth. She’s not human and is only here to create chaos and ire. She’s having trouble with hher English grammar. I think she means to say the opposite most of the time but unfortunately for the poor thing, she is making grotesquely idiotic statements that have no basis in fact.

Imagine being such a bombastic bimbo that one would call oneself Miss Truth? LOL
That one would have the audacity to consider oneself THE TRUTH, as if one were the last word on such a thing as TRUTH! What may be true for you Miss Truth may not be true for others, or did you consider such a thing were possible in your miniscule world?

Spoken like the true right wing, criminal Republican extremist, gun loving nut you are. Your favorite color is, no doubt, brown…as in brown shirted.

Its a good bet you are not about to be enlightened, so my picture is not for you, but about you.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/nailed_by_the_insecure.html

There is no God…give it up already. It would help everyone if we kept the discussion in the real world, and left myth where it belongs…in fairy tale books.

Let’s spend tomorrow calling Boehner and other Republicans to ask them when they are going to make honor killings legal!

I’m not kidding this is a great idea. An idea whose time has come!

Call Boehner and tell him that you “can see he is a man who is interested in helping men keep women ‘in their place’ ” and you were wondering if he would help legalize honor killings to aid in this endeavor?

Washington, D.C. Office
1011 Longworth H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-6205
(202) 225-0704 fax

Call as often as you want!

For those arguing that this bill is ONLY trying to say that abortions should not be paid for with taxpayer dollars, consider that the Hyde amendment is already written into law.

If Republicans wanted to keep all rape exceptions viable, why would they propose this bill?

Clearly, they’re trying to worm in as many loopholes as they can, and that’s exactly what the word “forcible” is accomplishing. If they wanted to leave the definition of rape up to the states, they’d exclude that word and all would be hunky dory, and the laws would be exactly as they are right now.

Unfortunately, that’s not all the republicans are after. They’re also trying to withdraw tax relief for businesses that provide insurance that covers abortion. They’re essentially taxing those that disagree with their narrow worldview. Another reprehensible portion of this bill.

I’ve seen a lot of venom spewed on this board (hey, it’s the Internet, right?), and a lot of accusations of ignorance from people defending the bill. However, they have not acknowledged that the only purpose of this bill would be to write something into law that’s not already there. The Hyde amendment, accomplishing exactly what you’re asking for, is already there, so what, pray tell, are the Republicans trying to do if not redefine what types of rape are acceptable uses of federal funds?

[...] narrowing the Hyde Amendment language, Republicans would exclude the following situations from coverage: [...]

Seems to me that the real issue here is that ALL needed medical services should be available through Medicare for ALL people ALL the time.

Uh, dude, the word is right there- “forcible.” Forcible than being defined to mean very specific acts of violence that do not cover drugging, fear (without physical violence), statutory, etc., ad. nauseum. And incest only if a minor… awesome.

So, yeah, it does restrict abortions in the cases of a lot of forms of rape. TYVM. K. Bai.

If someone HAS to have an abortion or they will die, then it should be federally funded.

Wow, like the guy asked below, who paid for the elective surgery to remove your heart? There are so many things wrong about your statement that it’s hard to know how to start.

One: Trivializing those who are raped by any means, no matter the reason, is at best thoughtless and at worst, deliberately cruel. Doing it for your own political ends is just disgusting.

Two: How very nice that you don’t want to pay for abortions. I don’t want to pay for senseless wars or capital punishment or spying on US citizens without warrants or subsidizing the oil industry. How about everyone just get together and list everything they don’t want to pay for… eventually nothing will be funded and we can all just sink or swim. I’m sure the rich would be happy with that. There will always be things that we don’t support that get funded. If there weren’t then there would be no beneficial programs. There’s always somebody or somebodies who don’t want to pay for things. Me, I’ll take funding abortions for rape victims over dropping bombs on innocent civilians.

Three: I earn my own money, too. Thanks for implying otherwise.

Four: I enjoy your statement that abortions are elective surgery. Right up there with face lifts, right? I’m sure that women who turn to abortion, especially rape victims and those for whom pregnancy is life-threatening, do it with a light heart and little thought.

Wow. Just wow.

It’s not a CHOICE if you’re going to die if you don’t get it.

She DOES deserve it.

Maybe everyone in the entire country should just stop paying their taxes.

If a woman has complications due to a pregnancy, she should be able to use federally funded healthcare money to get the LIFESAVING abortion that she needs.

And if Don doesn’t like paraplegics, should they be exempt from federal aid too?

You seem to think abortions are never absolutely necessary. Sometimes, an abortion is the only option to save the mother’s life. I think taxes SHOULD par for lifesaving surgeries, such as abortions.

You’re a fascist for denying women the right to have an abortion if they require one, and cannot afford it.

That’s it. I’ve had it. FUCK YOU!

That IS statutory rape you idiot.

You’re assuming it wasn’t rape you bitch.

Religion is pure evil.

They don’t have that right.

No, that’s not ‘well and proper’. I hope you get raped and have to pay for your own abortion, just to see how it feels.

Nope, they shouldn’t have that right. If they want it, they need to leave this country.

Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking that this might have more to do with the Republicans trying to counteract the Al Franken amendment that forbids the USA from hiring military contractors that allow female soldiers to get raped?
I just think that they don’t really give a hoot about abortions or religion and there must be a financial benefit to the Halliburton/KBR crew in order for them to pursue something so controversial…

That’s a little bit racist. The GOP would do the same thing if their daughter was raped by a hispanic, an Asian or a Native American, as well.

It’s red herring fodder for the Tea Party because they really don’t want to “stop spending” now that they hold the purse strings.

This bill mainly affects poor and working class women. It’s low hanging fruit for the Republicans to go after to appease the Tea Party which nobody talks about but includes the “social conservatives” of the pre-Bush Administration era.

Punish poor (aka lazy, liberal, minority etc..) and give the appearance of cutting spending.

Alternative names for this Republican Bill:

“She Wore A Short Skirt So She Deserved It Act”

“She Shouldn’t Have Been Drinking Or In A Bar Act”

“It’s Not Rape If She’s Married Or Related To Him Act”

“In Our Day We Sent Them Away To Live With Their Aunt Act”

More posturing by the republican eunuchs who spend their spare time playing footsies in bathroom stalls. The old fogies are pissed off because they’re so old they can only shoot powder anymore, and getting someone preggers is beyond them. So they gotta take it out on somebody.

You must be a rapist.

You must be a rapist.

Rethugs make us pay for their Viagra, escorts, abandoned love children, lap dances and tax-exempt pedophile priests.

Rethugs make us pay for their Viagra, escorts, abandoned love children, lap dances and tax-exempt pedophile priests.

Rethugs make us pay for their Viagra, escorts, abandoned love children, lap dances and tax-exempt pedophile priests.

Pull a watermelon-sized fetus out of your penis, then we’ll consider your opinion.

Pull a watermelon-sized fetus out of your penis, then we’ll consider your opinion.

Pull a watermelon-sized fetus out of your penis, then we’ll consider your opinion.

[...] would change the language exempting rape and incest from rape to “forcible rape.” By narrowing the Hyde Amendment language, Republicans would exclude the following situations from coverage: [...]

Miss_LIAR, guess you never heard of BAGHDAD or FALLUJA or countless countries we bombed, polluted and looted for ReThug CEOs?? When they’re done wrecking over there, they’ll come here and dismantle YOUR city in the name of saving fetuses for God’s holy molesters of the GOP (Government of the Pope as another earlier commenter here aptly labeled it).

Miss_LIAR, guess you never heard of BAGHDAD or FALLUJA or countless countries we bombed, polluted and looted for ReThug CEOs?? When they’re done wrecking over there, they’ll come here and dismantle YOUR city in the name of saving fetuses for God’s holy molesters of the GOP (Government of the Pope as another earlier commenter here aptly labeled it).

Miss_LIAR, guess you never heard of BAGHDAD or FALLUJA or countless countries we bombed, polluted and looted for ReThug CEOs?? When they’re done wrecking over there, they’ll come here and dismantle YOUR city in the name of saving fetuses for God’s holy molesters of the GOP (Government of the Pope as another earlier commenter here aptly labeled it).

Miss_LIAR, guess you never heard of BAGHDAD or FALLUJA or countless countries we bombed, polluted and looted for ReThug CEOs?? When they’re done wrecking over there, they’ll come here and dismantle YOUR city in the name of saving fetuses for God’s holy molesters of the GOP (Government of the Pope as another earlier commenter here aptly labeled it).

Your first assumption here is that 15-year-old girls who are dating 20-year-olds necessarily tell their parents and that their parents agree to this arrangement. Or tell the 20-year-olds who they might be dating that they are 15. Or that 20-year-olds who are dating 15-year-olds have told them that they are 20. Since you haven’t mentioned it anywhere here I am wondering if you would be willing to pay for contraception in high school bathrooms and have the state fund birth control or provide the morning after pill?

Hmmmmmmmm?

I guess you aren’t willing to take up my proposition on the military industrial complex either, huh?

Your first assumption here is that 15-year-old girls who are dating 20-year-olds necessarily tell their parents and that their parents agree to this arrangement. Or tell the 20-year-olds who they might be dating that they are 15. Or that 20-year-olds who are dating 15-year-olds have told them that they are 20. Since you haven’t mentioned it anywhere here I am wondering if you would be willing to pay for contraception in high school bathrooms and have the state fund birth control or provide the morning after pill?

Hmmmmmmmm?

I guess you aren’t willing to take up my proposition on the military industrial complex either, huh?

Your first assumption here is that 15-year-old girls who are dating 20-year-olds necessarily tell their parents and that their parents agree to this arrangement. Or tell the 20-year-olds who they might be dating that they are 15. Or that 20-year-olds who are dating 15-year-olds have told them that they are 20. Since you haven’t mentioned it anywhere here I am wondering if you would be willing to pay for contraception in high school bathrooms and have the state fund birth control or provide the morning after pill?

Hmmmmmmmm?

I guess you aren’t willing to take up my proposition on the military industrial complex either, huh?

Your first assumption here is that 15-year-old girls who are dating 20-year-olds necessarily tell their parents and that their parents agree to this arrangement. Or tell the 20-year-olds who they might be dating that they are 15. Or that 20-year-olds who are dating 15-year-olds have told them that they are 20. Since you haven’t mentioned it anywhere here I am wondering if you would be willing to pay for contraception in high school bathrooms and have the state fund birth control or provide the morning after pill?

Hmmmmmmmm?

I guess you aren’t willing to take up my proposition on the military industrial complex either, huh?

Miss_LIAR, Perez Hilton on line 2. He needs you as his press secretary.

I KNOW I love you! And your poster! — so true!

It’s too bad you can’t accept the fact that the Republicans have done nothing in the last month except pass a symbolic repeal of health care and propose a rash of ideas from investigating radical Islam in America (isn’t that the FBI’s job) to cutting Veterans benefits to the Privatization of Medicare and Social Security to numerous claims that such things as child labor laws are unconstitutional, bike trails are unconstitutional, raising the social security retirement age, to claiming that FEMA, poverty and food safety programs are unconstitutional, to hearings on the treat of Sharia law to claims that health insurance regulations are unconstitutional to the continuing debate about whether or not to raise the debt ceiling.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with creating jobs and they still haven’t done anything whatsoever about creating any jobs. Not only that but I called the offices of three Republicans in the House leadership last week and the people who answered the phones could not explain how any of these programs that I have just articulated would improve the dismal employment picture in America, nor could they explain even one thing that the Republicans were currently working on that would increase employment and bring down unemployment. Not one thing! And that included the office of the speaker. In fact, the person who answered the phone at Boehner’s Washington D.C. office was unable to tell me anything specific except that they had no specific plans yet on anything beyond the health care repeal. After a month in office no specific plans on anything beyond the symbolic as in meaningless health care repeal.

So what say you now, Miss–Truth?

A right wing think tank, The Conservative Hoover Heritage Rand Foundation, has determined after an extensive two-year research project funded by a consortium of right wing business interests including the Business Round Table and the Chamber of Commerce that changing the definition of abortion will create at least 270,000 new private sector jobs by 2012!

Their ultimate goal is to get women to wear burkas so they can’t attract rapists. That way they can remain virgins until they marry and if they transgress stone the shit out of them.

Jobs.

The entire focus of the GOP is on jobs.

You can tell because of their actions in Congress. They’re like lasers: focused, concentrated and determined to create more JOBS!!!!

Bravo for connecting those possible dots.

I am so sorry to read this. there are far to many of us in this awful boat..

Define forcible. That is the issue at hand, if drugged, or don’t fight back enough may not be rape. Basically limiting the definition of rape give the right a win. As one who went to catholic school and was date raped, but never reported it because I didn’t know it was rape, I can’t stand the thought of another young girl going through what I went through or having to defend how much force she used to make sure that old white men think it is rape. Rape is Rape and we shouldn’t have to define it by men’s narrow terms.

Republicans – Corporations are people, and deserve protection.
Actual people are worthless and must be monitored and extorted at all times.

In their utopia only wealthy land owning whites males could vote, since only they are intelligent and sophisticated enough to make decisions for all of us.
The problem is that intellect and sophistication are not true benchmarks for evolution, love and compassion are.

I guess being raped and carrying that unwanted rape-baby to term is one of those family values I keep hearing about from the right.

I tried calling and emailing smith, but he only takes comments form his constituents. Coward.

I don’t believe in war, but I have to pay for it, I don’t believe in subsidizing farmers, but my taxes pay for it, and the list goes on. Why does the religious right get their way on everything, because it is morality issue? Here’s the deal in a democracy you do not always get your way.

Define forcible. That is the issue at hand, if drugged, or don’t fight back enough may not be rape. Basically limiting the definition of rape give the right a win. As one who went to catholic school and was date raped (thankfully did not get pregnant), but I never reported it because I didn’t know it was rape, I can’t stand the thought of another young girl going through what I went through or having to defend how much force she used to make sure that old white men think it is rape. Rape is Rape and we shouldn’t have to define it by men’s narrow terms. This issue is much bigger than who pays, it is allowing old men to define what is rape. This will lead to other much bigger issues than who is going to pay for it.

It’s not about family values, it’s about control and the fact that not all of are equal.

Are you saying that the victim should pay for their own medical treatment?

[...] as HR #3.) “I consider the proposal of this bill a violent act against women,” said WCF-endorsed Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. MsRep couldn’t state the matter more [...]

I honestly believe that as a taxpayer, my money is being used to pay for wars of choice and our largest export, weapons that we sell to other countries to kill other people. May I opt out of my taxes being used for these nefarious ends?

See, Pag, you jump to the opposite, as if my statement means I must then support the opposite side of the artificially framed argument.

I am against all theft of monies from taxpayers for uses that are illicit, illegal, and not employed in the promotion of peaceful coexistence with other cultures and nations in the world, and/or uses that infringe on the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Were our government restrained properly as is defined in the US Constitution politicians would not need to rely on manufactured, nonsensical, illegitimate and polarizing issues in order to be given corporate funds by the jaded sociopath oligarchs for their campaign coffers.

If we actually did promote peace in the world, Americans would be loved by all except criminals. I believe there are far more good people in the world than there are criminals.

who is “they” and what is “that right”?

Exactly, I agree. But this is not a democracy – it is a corporatocracy that has been given the name democracy in order to fool the people.

Our nation was founded as a democratic republic. That means the rights and opinions of minorities are respected too, and when reasonable are accommodated. It is manifestly reasonable that price fixing and bias towards powerful corporations is not democratic or within the principles of ethical free market activity. Illegal war is wrong, CIA fomentation of crises that demand our military attention is wrong.

We are, in the main, a peace loving people who wish no harm to others, who are being exploited by criminals just the same as those criminals exploit other peoples for profit and power. A government for the people, by the people, of the people would be doing as we demand in the world, not what the oligarchs and their financiers desire.

As it is, the rich and powerful have reduced our choices in the matter of how we live our lives to artificial arguments that are unwinnable, and those false arguments continue interminably to provide cover under which the real powers behind the government are hidden from view, and we tear each others tongues out for holding propagandized positions.

The first thing we need to do is overhaul our country so that young boys do not grow up thinking of women as nothing more than sex toys. That means outlawing Playboy, Hustler, pornography of all kinds, and teaching proper respect for women in teen classes on sexuality. Current teaching does not teach young people that they should wait till marriage. It excerbates the hormonal problems by encouraging lust.

Secondly, those who do commit rape should receive the penalty prescribed by the Law of God — death. It is hideous that a man can screw up a woman psychologically for the rest of her life and go scot free. Men get off way too easily. It is almost as if the judges think that a raped woman is really no big deal.

No, abortion is not the answer to rape. Stopping rape is the answer, but no one is addressing that.

Oh, and if some smart ass wants to take my previous post and ask “So what about punishment for the priests who raped teens?”

Same answer — same punishment. The Law, properly applied, makes no discrimination between people. It is fair, equal, and applied to all, regardless of rank or station in life.

Well, simple answer… force the rapist to foot the bill for the abortion if that is what the victim wishes.

It won’t be state-funded or federal-funded.

It’s sad that the GOP cannot see the situation in the following light:

If a woman is forcefully violated, and doesn’t want her body to be altered by that violation, she should have the right to stop it. If anyone is guilty for the tragedy of the abortion, it’s the fucking rapist.

Of course, the GOP side with a barely-sentient mass of cells over the highly sentient being that is a human female, and a rape victim at that.

The GOP are so full of self-righteousness – they just can’t see how vile and repulsive they are.

So until a child can speak, it is not a child? Therefore, you side with Professor Peter Singer in saying that parents should have a three month window in which to dispose of their born child if it displeases them in some way? Just because it isn’t sentient?

Whew! What barbarians you abortionists are!!

Most definitely, and you should also have rights to demand your government respect conscientious opinions, and to act ethically in the world on your behalf.

That’s what government by the people is – but our government has been overtaken by corporate criminals who respect no one’s opinions and no one’s rights. We need to learn how to understand each other; get past the vitriol, and join together to restore government to the hands of the people.

Taleisin – are you okay there in Queensland? I hear there are more heavy downpours.

Go to planned parenthood for abortion if you are raped and decide to abort. The government in not responsible for exercising your rights, only for protecting them against infringement.

My view is not one-sided at all. I am pro-choice. I am against the incessant busying itself in private matters the government loves to do. There should be no laws for or against what women do with their own bodies – their rights to own their bodies is innate.

Repeal Roe v Wade and the exclusively male propagated law it replaced – protect the freedom of women to make their own decisions unfettered. There should be no laws in regard to abortion as it is in the domain of a woman’s private concern and those whom she freely allows into her sphere.

Give generously to charities and doctors who provide abortion services to those who cannot afford to pay. Don’t make me pay when I am conscientiously against abortion and the view that the fetus is nothing more than a clump of cells. And I will never attempt to abridge your right to come to your own conclusion regarding abortion.

All these wrongs don’t make coercion right.

Pag, to what? Change the definition to what?

I’m fine thanks, mate. Its up the far north, that didn’t get the flood last month.
We were lucky. Category 5 cyclone. Are you in the snow?

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You’ve abandoned your senses, Pag. Ridiculous!

Quite an ugly comment from an equally ugly little hitler. Crying rape does a terrible disservice to anyone who has ever been raped or will be raped. False rape accusations are criminal acts. You are a criminal.

[...] an interview with Raw Story, Wasserman Schultz called the bill, which controversially includes language to change the instances [...]

He is saying the taxpayer is not responsible for providing abortion services – let those who want to pay for providing abortions to those who cannot pay, establish ways of doing that outside of taxpayer monies.

The government is charged with protecting individual rights, not with exercising them.

Wouldn’t work – there is not a majority of progressive women married to right wing politicians or wealthy corporatists.

“They” are the people that think women who REQUIRE an abortion don’t have the right to federal assistance. “That right” is the right to not have their tax dollars used for it.

Though I agree that tax money should be not used to pay for abortion, equating the need for abortion as a result of rape with the desire to buy a new car, well Don, that’s specious, and your argument fails there as a result.

The proper argument is that coercing you, who hold to the belief that all embryos and fetuses are potential human life and as such are sacred and not to be aborted, to pay for abortion is an infringement of your right to freely act on the convictions of your conscience.

[...] Exclusive: Dem calls GOP rape-redefining bill ‘a violent act against women’, 01 Feb 2011 [...]

[...] an interview with Raw Story, Wasserman Schultz called the bill, which controversially includes language to change the instances [...]

[...] The Florida Democrat, a rising star in her party and vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, is a leading voice on women’s issues. And she didn’t mince her words in an interview with Raw Story, fiercely denouncing GOP colleagues over H.R. 3, the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act.” “It is absolutely outrageous,” Wasserman Schultz said in an exclusive interview late Monday afternoon. “I consider the proposal of this bill a violent act against women.” READ MORE… [...]

[...] to Raw Story she says: “It really is — to suggest that there is some kind of rape that would be okay [...]

[...] been settled for 30 years, is to me a violent act against women in and of itself.” – Rep. Wasserman Schultz on the House Republicans proposed legislation that would limit access to abortion coverage for [...]

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[...] For years we all agreed that rape was when a woman was forced to have sex against her will. But now the anti choice crowd in Congress want to redefine rape. (H.R. 3) “We are seeing more and more anti-choice lawmakers who are willing to deny survivors of rape and incest access to abortion care,” NARAL president Nancy Keenan told Raw Story. “If they can’t block access altogether, they will work around the edges. Rep. Smith’s ‘Stupak on Steroids’ bill is an example of this piecemeal strategy because it seeks to make the narrow exceptions for public funding of abortion care for rape and incest survivors even more restrictive.” Wasserman Schultz also said the bill contradicted the GOP’s core political philosophy. “Even though Republicans say they want government out of our lives, this is the most intrusive governmental act that we’ve probably seen to date in the personal lives of women,” she said. Exclusive: Dem calls GOP rape-redefining bill ‘a violent act against women’ [...]