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Arizona bill aims to let state ignore federal laws

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 12:31 EDT
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Members of the Arizona Legislature, led by Republican Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that attempts to grant the state the power to ignore federal laws it does not want to comply with.

If passed and signed into law, Senate Bill 1433 would create a 12-member committee within the state legislature with the power to review and recommend to the full Legislature laws they think are unconstitutional. The full Legislature would then have the power to nullify the federal statute by a majority vote.

“The committee shall recommend, propose and call for a vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the People to the federal government in the United States Constitution,” the bill reads. “The committee shall make its recommendation within thirty days after receiving the federal legislation for consideration and process.”

According to the bill, “no authority has ever been given to the legislative branch, the executive branch or the judicial branch of the federal government to preempt state legislation.”

The legality of the proposed legislation is questionable, as it runs counter to Article VI, Clause 2 and the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution, which have been interpreted as making federal law trump state law.

Article VI of the Constitution, commonly known as the Supremacy Clause, states that, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.”

Likewise, in a set of decisions that has come to be known as the “incorporation doctrine”, the Supreme Court of the United States routinely ruled that the due process clause of the 14th Amendment prevents state and local governments from violating most provisions of the Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

Senate Bill 1433 is not the only piece of legislation in the Arizona legislature that conflicts with the 14th Amendment. In January, members of the Arizona House of Representatives introduced legislation that seeks to eliminate the long-standing 14th Amendment guarantee that all people born in the US and under its jurisdiction are citizens of the US.

“Babies born to illegal alien mothers within US borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent US residency,” Senate President Pearce’s website stated.

“With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.”

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if the civil war was the worst thing, but I do agree the North winning gave them the ability to do what they thought was right. I think they should have freed the slaves and given Mexico the south. They are a bunch of un-evolved morons. Who, even though, none of the original participants are alive today, one would swear they are! They have successfully held on to and passed from generation to generation the bitterness and hatred of the North for winning the civil war. Too bad they couldn’t have harnessed all of that wasted energy and used it for something positive. Instead, they have held on to it like it was sacred. Arizona and all it’s fine people who have their bible in one hand and their gun in the other have been out in the sun way to long. They are just nuts out there! If they don’t want the federal government to tell them what to do then secede from the damn union. Refuse federal funds for your roads and bridges, your education system, your parks system, all your subsidies, your medical, the stimulus funds should be returned, and all of the other federal money you all take advantage of. Stop waving your damn bible because you aren’t good christians. Be a state in poverty and wave your guns and burn your bibles! I’m tired of hearing about these nuts and their mental incompetence.

  • Anonymous

    Jakob Creutzfeldt disease, ah, a bit of the old mad cow eh? Don’t they export this already?

  • 7rob7

    We tried that, it didn’t work, so we had a Constitutional Convention in 1787 and scrapped the Articles of Confederation as the unworkable failure they were. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the individual state constitutions.

    The correct phrase is “The United States is…” not “The United States are…”

  • 7rob7

    The power to be the supreme law of the land had already been granted to the Federal government before the 10th Amendment was added.

    America wins; you lose. Sounds fair to me.

  • Heubler, green-felt demigod

    Nullification is a loser. If states want to act independently of the Constitution, they should refuse federal matching dollars for their crappy infrastructure.

  • Iconoclasm

    I say it’s about time !

    It makes me sick how they keep on misinterpreting the 14th Amendment. Nowhere in the 14th does it allow for anchor babies. There are two criteria that MUST be met and there is a comma which seperates the two. 1,) the child must be born and naturalized , 2.) and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

    The mother is responsible for her child. Simply being born here doe not make one a “citizen.” The 13th Amendment states that there is no involuntary servitude. That means you MUST volunteer, however, there can be voluntary servitude which is what most Americans unwittingly do.
    NO SUCH THING AS AN ANCHOR BABY!!!!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    Both Jefferson and Madison embraced state nullification of unconstitutional laws. No place does the US Constitution give sole power on determining constitutionality of a law to the Supreme Court, since all powers derive from the constitution and are enumerated by it the federal government’s courts are not properly the sole arbitrators of it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FSWK3WZXFYS5WELM7VQMEWBG5A Robin

    Arizona might do well to look up a little something called the Civil War. That pretty much answered the state’s rights issue. Or else all those men died in vain.

  • DesertSun59

    Oh, I get it. AZ wants to become their own country. After all, legislators are not setup in our federal system to be the judiciary. AZ is actually creating their own form of government separate and distinct from that which governs the rest of the nation.

    Id 10 Tz.

  • 7rob7

    Sí, sí, es verdad.

    Mi español no es bien, y no puede apoyar mi snark. Siento.

  • DesertSun59

    By your definition, YOU are not a citizen either. After al,l you said ‘Simply being born here does not make one a ‘citizen’.

    Where’s your long form birth certificate. You better have it ’cause I’m gonna need to look at it.

  • DesertSun59

    Bottom line in AZ is that there’s still a black man occupying the WH.

    They really hate that.

  • Anonymous

    Right. And I’ll charge my committee of one to review and reject all Arizona laws that I don’t especially feel like complying with, and they’ll understand too. There is nothing in the Constitution that specifically says that I have to.

  • Anonymous

    Actually that is what the federal govt. does and will do when a state doesn’t want to ignore federal laws or guidelines. And it works all the time, because your a fool of a state politician if you think that you can go it alone on your budgets without federal matching funds or loans or funds period. Heck if they want to they could essentially black ball the state in the Muni bond market by making it hard for said state to borrow money. These states believe that it will work because they have like minded people in the Federal govt. now.

  • Anonymous

    Arizona should take their sunburned a$$es and secede and be done with it.

    It’s not like the U.S. Federal government has ANYTHING they could possibly ever need anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Sure would solve their immigration problem, as 98% of the population would look around and realize that they live in the middle of a desert.

  • Anonymous

    As usual, rightwing GOP nutjobs don’t think. The fools worry about anchor babies when they should be concerned about themselves. Why you ask? Once they seperate and put themselves above federal law, Arizona will become secesh territory. Of course they will also become illegal aliens to the 49 United States.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    wrong.

    deportation is at a record level under Obama

    stop letting the corporate owned media terrorize you with right wing bullshit

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    perhaps you should study constitutional law instead of taking the right wing talking points at face value

  • Ma’at

    Let’s just call it what it is. The United States can NO exist as one Nation. It is two. Let’s cordon off part and let the Right have their “Heaven on Earth”. Most of America wants nothing to do with these idiots.

    Imagine a world without the Right. We’d have innovation, food, health care, little chance of dying in war … SOP much of the pain America suffers would be gone.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    you right wingers get told something that sounds good on the radio, but are far to intellectually lazy to actually research the BS you’re fed

    that is how you end up with wild misinterpretations like this

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    you right wingers want the states to have the freedom to violate the rights of the citizens of the USA

    get over it

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    only for morons

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    you rubes will believe anything

  • Ignatzfattis

    That would become Central Mexico

  • Anonymous

    this is what happens when you let serial whackos like rumsfeld-cheney- rove-shrub go free

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t these folks read about the Civil War in high school. This issue was decided definitively then, unless they want a redo. Somehow, I don’t think it will turn out any better for the states’ righters this time.

  • http://twitter.com/Michael_Gaston Michael Gaston

    So, they want to be a defacto state of Mexico. That is what will happen. The people running the government there must be blind with ideology. God help the people that live there. Don’t they realize this is anti-America? The union must be preserved. Oh, I get it. It’s all about terror babies! Tell the governor that was a joke.

  • Anonymous
  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    I think you are onto something. That seems to be exactly what the tea party wants. They want a civil war so they can attempt a revolution.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Maybe they want another one.

  • Anonymous

    Jan Brewer came around when Obama picked Napolitano to head Homeland Security. Napolitano is a Democrat who kept the politics in balance in AZ(Obama must have been aware of this and the consequences). Brewer was NEVER ELECTED prior to Obama’s decision and was only elected because she appealed to the inner-racist of the people who voted her in last November. Looks like the ‘South’ is moving westward these days…

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Thats exactly what the Tea Party wants. They have all the guns.

  • Anonymous

    Obama should have never taken Napolitano out of Arizona…

  • Tom

    I remember reading that in the old days they used to castrate animals by tying off the testicles. The lack of blood getting to them would cause the beastly jewels to shrivel up.

    Maybe that is what the Federal government should do to Arizona. Seeing it does not want to play nice, the Fed should cut them off from all federal funds, until the entire state shrivels up into a tiny wrinkly gonad, resembling it’s its governor’s face.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Substitute the horses with the pick ups. And they did just about that at the town hall meetings, remember?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Esta bien. Necesitas practicar para mejorar. ;)

  • Anonymous

    Arizona might want to consider there are more legal mexican Americans there than gringos. Better armed too. All of the midwestern transplants should tea bag their butts back north.

  • Anonymous

    Then please spare us the lectures.

    I imagine that we’ll learn that the world doesn’t revolve around us sooner or later, unfortunately it’s likely to be somewhat after the fact.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQPF4SAS4BGFLDBZYCATHIVFY Chris Herz

    What constitution? That of 1789 has been so violated, so perverted by successive state and federal authorities that it is inoperative save only in matters of form. Nothing stops government from surveillance, searches, currency manipulations, fostering corporate crime, disgusting foreign interventions, torture, racial profiling and building the largest gulag in the world since the days of Stalin.
    The one good thing about these tea party types is their determination to starve the beast. In their own racist way these stopped clocks may wind up right twice a day.

  • Anonymous

    The Supreme Court would rule against Arizona. The federal courts interpret the tenth amendment in favour of the federal government.

  • Anonymous

    The legal question was settled 195 years ago.

    The case was . . . h m m m m . . . let’s see here . . . u h h h h . . . YUP, here ’tis:
    Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee, 14 U.S. 304 (1816). Federal law prevails over state courts and state law. Period, end of dispute.

    One o’ them-thar fancy-schmancy US Soopreme Court cases, that-thar one wuz. Jest more o’ them librul Commonist activist jedges doin’ stuff.

    yep, yep . . . .

  • Winski

    EVERY SINGLE MORONIC A**HOLE that currently serves in the Arizonie legislature that supports ANY FORM of Pearce’s LIE, need to do some basic, and I do mean basic, research..

    Written into the CONSTITUTION during time in the way back machine, even counting Bachmann-Turner attempts to ERASE 100 years of America history last week, is a small thing called the “National Supremacy Clause”… It has been in effect since the founding of the republic and still holds today, although many attempts from people just like Pearce have tried to get it stuck down. Fundamental principle…

    Here’s the detail if you basic, fundamental types actually want to research THE FACTS. If you don’t – go have some KoolAide and vodka and make a list for yourself what you need from the local Wal-Martian store caused you’re cooked….

    Do the homework…MANY of us have.. Pearce is an idiot.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/search/index.html?query=National%20Supremacy%20Clause

  • Anonymous

    be easier to just house them inside the AZ border and they can pay for the air conditioning bill. Cut iff highway funds and let Cali fight it out with them for the water they use on their lawns in the desert.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Amazing that everyone in here hates Arizona trying to buck the Feds but on the pot article posted above this one on the front page, the Feds are depicted as being evil to Oakland…so which is it? http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/feds-threaten-oakland-marijuana-farms/ Is there no consistency? Either both can or both cannot.

  • Anonymous

    So you are saying that you are now in favor of the result of the Raygun Revolution

  • Anonymous

    Can these asshole traitors be brought up on charges of sedition?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. Thanks. Crystal clear. lol

  • Anonymous

    If you’re not happy here, why don’t you just leave?

  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    Good……..when Mexico comes stalking up the Colorado River into Arizona, let them fend for themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Can we trade Arizona for Mexico? ;-)

    I don’t want Arizona as part of the union, … it gives us all a bad reputation.

    Right wingers are ALWAYS screaming the constitution this and the constitution that and it’s fright wing perverted meaning, … yet they want to rip it up and re-write it.

    Is their a sane right winger out their?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X5UZGJV6EGRKFMULMBTMXRIPME Bill

    Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water?

    Mandrake:

    Ah, yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.

    Ripper:

    Well do you now what it is?

    Mandrake:

    No. No, I don’t know what it is. No.

    Ripper:

    Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I think we need the echo of Little Rock…as in move in the Guard and bring AZ in line. It’s abundantly clear that they can’t handle anything as complicated as walking and chewing gum…so new management will be required until the douchefaggery subsides. After all…it worked so great for Iraq that they’re just beggin us to come back and manage them the rest of the way to deaths sweet embrace…I’m sure good old neo-cons in AZ will applaud being supervised by our fine servicepeople in the Armed Forces.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UF73BOPVYRATM2GUPNPZ3SIHUE Mike

    Add Texas to the effort to throw Arizona out of the Union. They are already foreign countries.

  • Anonymous

    Fuck you, shit stain. What he says is true. There have been more convictions and deportation under Obama. All the haters are just hating the black man in the White House. They are too ignorant to do anything else. Shit for brains racists in the teatarded bag party of GOP.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDUS64GRLIMRVU34FO6HHJEQRQ Norm

    Someone needs to remind the GOP in Arizona that we went through all of this in the civil war. There’s a famous quote from Union General George Thomas who after a major battle in 1863, was asked whether the dead should be separated by their states and his quote was to mix them for he was tired over the arguments over state’s rights taking precedence over federal law.

  • http://madisonleathersmith.com leathersmith

    why not Belize or Costa Rica? they’re nice

  • Anonymous

    This is tantamount to secession, an issue that was settled a long time ago. The AZ GOP/Nazi Party is just playing political theater stunts to raise money and fire up its base. Secessionists are by definition traitors, and should be called such in public. But will AZ Dems do it?

  • Anonymous

    Where is Gen. Sherman when you need him?

  • Anonymous

    These people are vile.

  • Anonymous

    Ummm.. you had a look at the drug violence in Mexico lately?

  • Anonymous

    Our precious bodily fluids…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R37UM43PITK7QU5SHTDWSU7SNA emme

    They are full of hot air…why do we even pay attention to them?

  • cannotvote

    The rethuglian mentality hasn’t changed in over 200 +yrs! It’s the same liars mentality (27%) that chased the Loyalist majority out of the colonies and brutalised those that didn’t agree with their pov then, as it it is now. All American history is a distortion, the truth would make you sick to your stomachs – you’ve all been duped by the same criminals who didn’t like taxes then as they like them now! http://www.redcoat.me.uk/ – sometimes you have to look inward to find what the real issues are – sad but true! And the UK isn’t immune either, this is not an anti American attack – you’ve been lied to, repeatedly and still are being lied to!

  • Anonymous

    (We tried that, it didn’t work)
    You mean it didn’t work well enough for the scheming Mercantilists of that era.

    I smell a rat? Henry complained of the illegality of the Convention in ignoring the explicit instructions of Congress not to scrap the Articles of Confederation. “The Federal Convention ought to have amended the old system,” he protested, “for this purpose they were solely delegated: the object of their mission extended to no other consideration.”

  • Iconoclasm

    That would be correct. As soon as I ascertained that I had been fraudulently induced all my life (or indoctrinated if you will), I began to yake measures to opt out,
    Question: Why would anyone want to be a U.S. citizen to begin with? What are the benefits of being a citizen? Taxation? Subservience? Being Micromanaged? Having to follow statutory law? Nice!

    I am a man of the land, of the posterity of those that won the rebellion of 1776, and as John Jay stated, an “equal tenant in the sovereignty.”
    A careful reading of the 13th and 14th Amendments make it clear that no involuntary servitude shal exist, although “voluntary” sevitude can and does exist in most everyone that calls themselves a citizen.
    Where is the proof that citizenship is servitude? 1.) Taxation, 2) raed Amendment 14, Clause 4 where it states “Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

    If you are unable to question the public debt, you are in servitude as anytime one cannot do what one wants, they are in servitude.

    Being a person of the posterity is a higher class than a citizen and is somewhat like diplomatic immunity.
    .

  • Anonymous

    If I can’t be fair, I can’t be objective. And that’s one quality I hope I can always claim to espouse.

    There are only ten other states that do more for Medicaid recipients than Arizona and bear the burden of the cost. That means they do more for poor people than 39 other states.

    In Phoenix we have one of the best run VA hospitals in the country bar none. This was due largely in part to Napolitano’s support but it’s still in Arizona. I don’t wait 20 minutes in the waiting room to see the doctor for my appointments.

    And even though Brewer is a Republican governor now, she at least got rid of those red light cameras, which were nothing but money sucking red light companies wet dream for profits.

    And just maybe if Mexico, was on your border with you paying the bills for non citizens, you might feel different about the immigration issue.

    There are real whack job proposals in this state by some real whack jobs–and most of them Republican. But don’t totally demean what you may know very little about.

    Objectivity requires thinking through all components both pro and con of an argument. And six million people found some reason to live here.

  • Anonymous

    When states stand up for marriage equality or face down draconian drug laws many of us applaud their efforts. What if our home states could opt-out of the Patriot Act and reclaim our civil liberties? It’s easy to gang up on AZ, in light of their record, but where will that leave the other 49 states when they decide to “fight the good fight”? Let’s not drown our own dreams while we are pissing on AZ.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    so Az.is now the supreme voice of the United States,a baby born in Az. doesn’t have to be a citizen of Az. but they damn well better be a citizen of the US and for argument’s sake the baby is too young to make a decision that he or she would regret later. So to save the child from the embarrassment of anyone knowing they were born in Az. it is only fitting that the birth certificate say BORN IN THE USA.

  • Anonymous

    You seem to be the only one giving a lecture here, you know

  • Anonymous

    OK see you later Arizona. Oh and any other secessionist state that wants to join you should. All the asinine, ignorant, right wing ideologs and ignoramuses can go live there, and all the soulless corporations can headquarter there and their treasonous capitalist officers can live there.

    Then the rest of the US people that care for each other and in the power of a just union for the betterment of all its citizens can live in peace without hateful, prejudice, intolerant, selfish and evil people to disrupt a true great democracy based on social justice. Then the great working majority of honest and just people can enjoy a better life for themselves and for their families and children.

    Sometimes divorce is the best solution is a relationship that has irreparable differences in their vision of life and the pursuit of happiness.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad New Mexico’s in the middle…otherwise, we could just apologize to Mexico and give back what we STOLE in 1848!

  • Guest

    Good.

    I don’t agree with a lot of Arizona’s bullshit. But no city, state, or citizen is bound to comply with unconstitutional laws.

    As corrupt and broken as our national leadership is, the more we can take power out of their hands and closer to we the people the better.

    Arizona’s general stupidity aside, decentralize power, decentralize power, decentralize power.

  • Anonymous

    Good bye Arizona. Hope that you would NEVER need Federal help for any reason. It would be a financial plus for the Feds, since they will not be obligated to dole out any money to Arizona from the U S Treasury. These people are either brain dead or ignorant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    “decentralize power”?

    That’s about as anti-American and anti-Constitution as you can get.

    “No city, state, or citizen is bound to comply with unconstitutional laws.”?

    That’s ALWAYS been true. The part you and idiot AZers don’t get is that laws have to be ruled unconstituional BY COURTS, not loose cannon state governments.

  • Iconoclasm

    You live in a realm of an artificial entity. Nothing can be crystal clear with all that fog, no matter how hard I try to enlighten you! ROTFLHAY!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well said! Wish more people understood it this way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    That’s what we should have done in Waco TX.

    We should have put up a danged fence around that “Branch Dividian” complex and renamed it “The Branch Dividian Federal Penitentiary.” They were ignoring arrest warrants and search warrants and that made all of them accessories.

    I suggest that we should put a danged fence on the North, South, and East borders of AZ and let them do whatever the heck they want, after cutting off ALL Federal money.

    We could call it the Arizona Memorial Sanitarium for the Insane. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Good bye Arizona. Glad to see you go. Since the government is too big this will be one way decrease its size, and one way to save Federal dollars because they will not be obligated to funding your state. No one in Arizona should be eligible for medicare, medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, schools and hospitals should not receive federal dollars,etc, etc. Can’t wait for you to take your exit. You guys are either brain dead or ignoramouses.

  • Jaimie11

    Bull!

  • Jaimie11

    States can make and enforce their own safety laws. They don’t need the federal government
    to do that.

  • Jaimie11

    Secession by enough states could just be what it takes to bring the federal government to it knees and send the banksters scurrying.

  • Jaimie11

    Arizona was not a state at the time of the Civil War. And just because old Thomas was a traitor to the Constitution does not mean being a traitor is admirable.

  • Jaimie11

    They already are, if you haven’t noticed.

  • Jaimie11

    Wait, you guys hate Arizona, call the citizens ugly names, tell it good riddance, and now you won’t let it go. You guys are mental cases!

    It’s the feds that are seditious, anyway.

  • Jaimie11

    It would take a stinkymonkey to turn this into a racial/ethnic thing. I’ll bet you’ve never even been to Arizona.

  • Jaimie11

    Bull, the oligarchs want that so they can send in armies to slaughter American citizens. They’d like to cull us, we’re starting to eat into their profits!

  • Jaimie11

    You’re happy here? Walking brain death run in your family?

  • Jaimie11

    Too bad the feds and their bosses don’t agree with you – they haven’t followed Constitutional law in so long they don’t even have to pretend anymore. People like you let ‘em slide. Thanks rob.

  • Jaimie11

    That’s what the feds do, and more and more they don’t even bother to follow it at all.

  • Jaimie11

    Read the Anti-Federalist papers for a balanced perspective, the views of the OTHER founders you’ve ignored. Hamilton was a trojan horse for the criminal banksters. If there had been a right wing back then, your buddy Hamilton would have been its poster boy.

    You lefties have no idea what liberal is. You’re only two or three moves from being full blown fascists.

  • http://twitter.com/Obrien123x Obrien

    Hopefully Florida will follow suit with Arizona..decentralize federal power…

  • Jaimie11

    “stop letting the corporate owned media terrorize you with right wing bullshit”

    You might do better to stop ranting for a minute and take a deep breath. You don’t appear to have a good grip on reality.

    You are acting like a right-winger. ComeOn1 is rational. He has no need to rant.

  • Jaimie11

    Bull bman, the feds have the guns, the big guns. Why are you lying?

  • http://twitter.com/Michael_Gaston Michael Gaston

    Good! Now we can take the money wasted on zealous immigration enforcement and spend it on social programs to benefit others.

  • Anonymous

    Wake up, and then shut up. Secession is both unconstitutional and treason. These reslugliCONs are just staging stunts for their dumbass base.

  • Anonymous

    How many states are you willing to see secede, dumbass? I have no use for AZ, TX, MS, NC, SC, AL, AK, KS, OK, UT or MT, but they’re part of the US of A, and will remain so, regardless of the wishes of a few neoconfederate nazi-wannabees.

  • Guest

    Old move; George Wallace and Jefferson Davis tried it without success.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, excellent argument by insulting me. Ohh I hurt so bad.

    Try taking a Law & Society class or any law class at all. By ignoring Federal Laws, States automatically step on CITIZENS rights. By the way, any professor would stress the “NO STATE SHALL MAKE OR ENFORCE ANY LAW” of that statement. It all applies bro.

    Try not to argue with someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Go back to your ignorant land of Fox Noise.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Wars have started over less.

  • spike91nz

    Secession in other words. Put up the border check points and make them negotiate the treaty for services and protection. Otherwise, let them deal with their border problems, and all the other problems for which they receive federal assistance, themselves.

    One of the primary reasons for the South’s failure during the civil war was that sates rights handicapped them from fielding a coherent collective effort. The Confederacy “died of a theory” (JD) of states’ rights. You’d think such empirical evidence of the failure of such a socio-political theory would be sufficient. But I guess if they are’t convinced by the evidence of evolution and global warming it would be a bit much to apply enough intellectual energy to conclude that it is in everyone’s best interest to cooperate and deliberate reasonably in the pursuit of solutions to the difficult issues facing us. If it really was an “everyman for themselves” sort of world, the sabre-toothed tigers would be having this debate instead of a group of monkeys that learned to defeat a bigger threat, through cooperative strategies.

  • Anonymous

    Keeping the AZ in NazI

  • Anonymous

    .

    WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

    .

  • Anonymous

    Article 4, US Constitution:

    “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”

    “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”

    Why don’t you just check yourself in at Gitmo, you are a traitor to the United States.

  • Anonymous

    The Confederacy is still dying today.

    Look at the federal balance of payments: they collect money from northern states and distribute it to southern ones. Southern states are not fiscally solvent and they never have been. They cannot secede because they would immediately sink into bankruptcy.

    The infants know full on that they depend on the suckle but they rebel anyways.

  • DriveBy

    I’d suggest AZ pass one simple law to avoid all this hassle with dealing with a committee, and then the full body, on each and every case – I suggest they make IOKIYAR a state law. That one simple single law will serve the purpose for which this move is intended.

  • dula

    Good. Can we pretty please let The South secede this time? Come on, you know fat, stupid, self-centered Americans are not up to another civil war in order to maintain unity. Let’s just let it go already.

  • Anonymous

    To AZ, stop drinking water imported from texas!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KXMM5MVAYZHUSPNY3W7Y57F2QI Laszlo

    No doubt being pushed by people who simultaneously bang on about “restoring the Constitution.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    The Mexicans would be trying to keep the illegal Arizonans from sneaking into Mexico.

  • Anonymous

    Care to substantiate? Wishing that my own country would change its ways and fearing that it will do so too late isn’t giving a lecture.

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t some fantastic revolution from the Feds….Wish it was.
    I’m from AZ, so everyone else that lives here, pulling some ‘the sky is falling’, ‘you don’t understand what it’s like to live here’ is full of crap.
    We aren’t fighting off immigrants running wild in the streets-Nobody wants to take away your precious guns-
    You all need to get savvy about Pearce and his connections with the NSM-This is his White American Dream and he’s using AZ to get there. People in Mesa need to sign the recall petition-

  • Anonymous

    Let’s just use an example then dipshit.

    Say states were allowed to form their own laws without the Supremacy Clause existing. Do you deny that states can infringe on each others laws thus effecting citizens?

    Let’s take for example Pollution and environmental laws. Say the state of Arizona let’s all their Environmental protection laws expire so companies get the thumbs up to dump industrial solvents, waste, etc. in the Colorado River. Do you honestly think that that water supply that borders Nevada, Utah, and California (it also empties into the Gulf of California but I have a feeling you don’t give a shit about Mexico) wouldn’t effect the border states/country residents drinking/using that water supply?

    Just by that ONE example alone, they are violating the 14th Amendment.. Oh, and by the way, your Amendment 10 says powers NOT delegated by the constitution are reserved to the states RESPECTIVELY. The Supremacy clause still stands. The only things that little amendment you provided are relevant to speeding laws, traffic violations, state justice systems as far as penalizing violaters of law, etc.

    You can’t override federal law just because you don’t like it. So suck on that dick cheese.

  • Guest

    Ah the accusation of “traitor”, you should be proud of yourself.

    That aside, how about if the federal government passed a law that you felt was obviously unconstitutional, maybe one that required you to do something you felt was morally objectionable? Would you just go along?

  • Guest

    “traitor” in the first reply, “shut up” in the second. Got to love the open minds on RawStory!

  • Guest

    Avoiding too powerful of a central government, and keeping more of the power in the hands of the states, was a goal of many of our founders. Not sure where you get your point of view. Have you read the Federalist Papers?

    Furthermore, part of my point is that our system has become corrupted beyond repair. You should know that. Our Supreme Court is bought and paid for. Have you not been watching them the last 10 years? Eminent domain for corporate profit? Corporation have the same rights as you and me to go along with unlimited resources?

    No, it’s time for THE PEOPLE to stand up and decide what is constitutional and act accordingly. Consider that the next time you’re on a jury and the judge tells you that you have no choice but to send the pot smoker to prison.

  • Guest

    Nice addition to the mindless chorus.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    WHY is Az even part of the United States? Oh yeah, right, to keep getting Fed money for its highways, welfare and unemployment for its unemployed and other Federal funding provided mainly from BLUE states.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Since they mostly draw Fed funding which is primarily paid into the Treasury by the BLUE states like CA, OR, etc, it probably would be a good thing.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Then get thee to a drill rig and drill your own well for water, can’t be usin no public-built water works, ya and better hook up to solar or wind power, ya can’t be usin’ no ‘lectric grid and, oh yeah, don’t forget your walkin’ shoes as ya can’t be drivin’ on no COUNTY ROADS or FREEWAYS, them’s builded with Fed and State/County “centralized power” money! Geez how these TEAdiots/Liber-tarians just don’t get it.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Shore do luv those “functioning” minds of Libertarian, TEAdiot, GOP-ers!

  • Guest

    Ad hominem attacks are the tool of those who wish to avoid actual debate.

  • Guest

    Extrapolate much?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    But when acts like denying fed money which leave families without Medicaid and thus members lose vital medical services as two people dying when their transplant requests were denied, it’s those heartless and mindless acts that abuse that option. As far as Marriage Equality, THAT should not even be a voting issue. Being a basic human right, it should not even be considered “voteable”. Especially by the dumb public electorate.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you, Jacques. This new position by the AZ legislature is one extreme in the fairly broad spectrum of States Rights. The other extreme is the de facto Federal totalitarianism that may be extrapolated from the existing Constitutional interpretations. I would like to see a more balanced approach without pushing back so hard as to endanger the modest gains we have enjoyed on the progressive front. When AZ voters are obliged to live with the results of this Constitutional “end run”, the backlash will be monumental. The AZ legislators will ultimately hang themselves; given enough rope.

  • Anonymous
  • Jaimie11

    So agreeing with you is adding to the mindless chorus? Not much confidence in your ideas, eh?

  • Guest

    Sorry, you replied to my comment with “bull”.

  • Guest

    The children who were murdered at Waco were not accessories.

  • Jaimie11

    No, I replied to Bob Zentrails’ comment with “bull”.

  • Guest

    Sorry about the misunderstanding. :-)

  • Jaimie11

    All is well. Apology gladly accepted. Thank you.

  • PeterGrfx

    I plan to read the Anti-Federalist papers sometime, but tell me, if they’re on the other side of those who actually wrote the Constitution, then what insight do they provide as to the authors’ intent when they wrote the 10th Amendment?

    In other words, aside from letting me know your general attitude, what relevance does your comment have to the topic at hand – namely, what powers does the 10th Amendment forbid the federal government from exercising?

    I don’t know what “liberals” you’re referring to, but the liberals I admire are those who defend the rights of all, including those with whom they disagree. Aside from a handful of libertarians, most of those who fit that description are on the Left, and as far removed from “fascism” as you imagine yourself to be.

  • Jaimie11

    The Anti-Federalists supported individual rights and states’ rights. They were concerned that the Constitution gave too much power to a centralized government. Patrick Henry, Madison, Jefferson all contributed and opposed ratification until the Bill of Rights addressed their concerns, in part at least.

    The tension between strong centralized control and the individual expanding his rights is the source of all thought and action for and against liberty. The individual must constantly push away the power of government. That is why the Bill of Rights is so very important and why they are under attack today.

  • Anonymous

    Telling someone else who is issuing their opinion not to lecture is, in and by itself, lecturing. Too bad you can’t see the irony.

  • PeterGrfx

    Nothing that you said belies my argument that the 10th Amendment does NOT forbid the federal government from instituting programs to promote the general welfare, like social security, medicare and medicaid, etc. Further, states’ rights historically have NOT promoted individual rights – they’ve been used to defend slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws, etc. Expanding federal powers at the expense of states’ “rights” in these areas has also meant an expansion of human freedom. (And in case you doubt slavery was the central motive behind the southern states’ secession, read the South Carolina Ordinance of Secession sometime.)

    The tension between the federal and various state governments’ powers (a more accurate term than “rights”) is not as central to human freedom as the struggle of people’s movements against government and corporate power. Relative freedom from want (social security) and from being bankrupted by medical costs (Medicare and the new Health Reform law) are some of the victories of those movements, though not unsullied by compromises with corporate-state power.

  • PeterGrfx

    The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution does precisely that: preempts state legislation when it’s in conflict with federal law.

  • PeterGrfx

    Isn’t that, “no backsies”?

  • Jaimie11

    “not as central to human freedom as the struggle of people’s movements against government and corporate power.”

    Agree completely – and unless and until we can rein in corruption and abuse, the money collected from us to pay for the relative freedom provided by social programs will be stolen, used elsewhere for nefarious purposes, and necessitate raising taxes. And the cycle repeats. Taking back control of the money system, wrenching it out of the hands of the oligarchs and their criminal bankers, is the only way to insure we can provide for the general welfare without succumbing to the constant inflationary effects of the debt-based money system, and without losing control of the methods by which it and providing for the general welfare are managed.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Arizona, here’s a tip for ya’. Before you were born, several states attempted to abandon the union, and let me tell you: it was not pretty. We beat the crepe out of them.

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