Fox News producers scripted ‘socialism’ outcry, email shows

Thursday, February 3, 2011 14:09 EDT
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A seemingly spontaneous response concerning the Obama campaign canceling an appearance on a local news station was actually scripted by Fox News’ producers, internal documents obtained by Media Matters show.

“Isn’t that what they do in socialist countries?” Fox News host Steven Doocy asked right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin on a segment of Fox & Friends from October 27, 2008.

He was responding to news that Jill Biden would not be appearing on WFTV after the station’s anchor Barbara West asked Joe Biden, “How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?”

“There’s a chill wind blowing, and I think that this does signal what the future of the White House press corps would be under an Obama-Biden administration,” Malkin said on Fox & Friends. “How dare Barbara West of WFTV confront Joe Biden with some basic, simple questions that anyone who wasn’t totally in the tank for Obama would feel comfortable asking?”

“Barbara West out in Orlando, she asks some hard questions, and the station gets shut down,” Doocy remarked. “You know, your comment about a chill is perhaps accurate because people will think twice before they ask something like that. But isn’t that what they do in socialist countries where, you know, ‘I don’t like that, you’re done?’”

The evening before the Fox News segment aired, Fox producer Elizabeth Fanning sent an email to staffers at the network, listing five questions: “Is this a preview of things to come? Will the White House press room be like this? Can you not ask tough questions? Will they suppress the freedom of the press? Isn’t this what happens in communist countries?”

In another e-mail obtained by Media Matters, Fox News Washington Managing Editor Bill Sammon told his staff to downplay the importance of climate science that showed the world was getting warmer.

Additional emails showed that Sammon asked his news department to refer to the public option as the “government run option” because polls showed the phrase “government option” was opposed by the public.

Perhaps not coincidentally, a poll gauging public trust in TV news found that PBS was the most trusted name in news, while trust in Fox News dropped significantly.

Furthermore, a study published in early Demember 2010 found that people who had the most exposure to Fox News were more likely to believe falsehoods and rumors about national and world affairs when compared to those who paid attention to other news outlets.

This video is from Fox News’ Fox & Friends, broadcast October 27, 2008 (via Media Matters.)

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  • Guest

    Thanks for trying, H.P. Maybe someday people will wake up to the facts about D.S. and realize what you and I KNOW.

    *Note LiberalJarhead’s post above! AWESOME! I regret I couldn’t hit “Like” twice on his!

  • Guest


  • Anonymous

    Calling Obama a socialist while Bush threw money at his rich buddies via TARP on his way out the door.

  • Anonymous

    fascist FOX

  • Kazr

    This again is the false equivalence that attempts to absolve the blatant mendacity practiced by FAUX news. You are cynically asserting that because a completely corrupt corporation attempts to pass itself off as a News organization then all legitimate news organizations are likewise corrupt to the level that is Fox news. Fox news has taken lying to an art form. The article supports that assertion with facts. The whole “lefty righty” thing is straw man dodge.

  • Anonymous

    Plus an added 55 million in free advertising for politicos of their choice during the last election cycle.

  • Anonymous

    You are absolutely correct about the “silly Left vs. Right false paradigm slant”. But MSNBC is not the voice of the democratic party, they might have more left leaning commentators. (CNN is the voice of no one)
    The problem is you have Fox News which is basically in control of the Republican Party spin. spreading lies and innuendo that suits theirs and the party agenda.

  • DesertSun59

    Fox proves each and every day that they are anti-American.

  • DesertSun59

    Not to mention that W stood by while his cronies on Wall Street nearly collapsed the entire world’s economy.

  • Anonymous

    It’s because of clowns like Doocy that his listeners are known as Foxsuckers.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    what you describe is propaganda, not news

    but you knew that

  • RobertX

    Talk about a clusterfox…

  • Anonymous

    No…the is dodge suggesting that Fox news is a lying Repuke propaganda and then naturally just assuming the other news organizations must be legit while providing a scintilla of proof to chat room full of people who are astutely familiar with all them?

    So what’s YOUR threshold for lying propaganda? If the other guy is not doing AS MUCH lying you still consider them a credible source? Last time I looked, they all had no problem chasing Bush’ WMD claims down a rabbit hole, using Pentagon paid lobbyists to provide ‘depth’?

    Yes…they are all bias…corporate bias.

  • Anonymous

    Do not confuse socialism with theft. What Bush did was one last rip from the till on his way out the door.

  • Anonymous

    Fox gives their listeners what they want to hear. The truth is the last thing the network cares about. When they are caught in a lie, Fox denies, claims they misspoke, or that they are falsely attacked. Fox is a tool of the mostly white, racists, who get their fix of hate. Fox has nothing to do with truth or news.

  • Anonymous

    First of all no one should assume that any news organization is a credible source without exploring all information available before making an informed decision. Secondly it seems that typical Fox viewer believes everything that they hear on Fox news, blatant lie or truth. To the uninformed Fox viewer all other news sources are spewing “Liberal Media Lies” not to be believed. Thirdly, Fox news contributed one million campaign dollars to the Republican Governors association before the 2010 election. Which in my opinion makes Fox news very interested in getting Republicans elected to political office. Several Fox news analyst are GOP presidential hopefuls, so their association with Fox allows them free campaign air time on a news channel which is totally sympathetic to their cause and the Tea Party cause. As far as I know neither CNBC and CNN has contributed that kind of cash to any political party and I don’t think Rachel Maddow is running for any political office.

  • hegesias

    They din’t do it. I thot of it all by myslelf becoz I new he wuz a sochalist becoz of his sochalist pollicys. I do’nt even wach Fox Newz hardley alot.

  • AnzaSummer

    Why does Fox still have a license to broadcast on my airwaves? Just askin’.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I…well damn. There isn’t much that can be said that isn’t said already. Fox is just a synonym for propaganda anymore. I can’t even be upset at them for doing it…all I have left is vague irritation that they don’t even try to be subtle. I could almost respect well thought out duplicity…it treats the victims/viewers as if they require effort to fool…but Fox just trundles along faking it badly…which implies they assume we’re all completely ass ignorant…and that’s just damned rude.

  • Anonymous

    I am the great and powerful Fox News. Don’t look behind the curtain.

    Didn’t I tell you Conservatives not to look behind the curtain. What is it you want?

    Conservative 1: I’m the owner of production. Can you give me a heart.

    Fox News: I sure can. Here is a heart.

    Conservative 1: But it’s made of stone.

    Fox News: That’s okay just show it to our viewers they will be fooled that you have one. Next.

    Conservative 2: I’m a tea bagger from rural America and a scarecrow and I don’t have a brain.

    Fox News: Here is a piece of paper. Take it and you are smart now.

    Conservative 2: But how does a piece of paper make me smart?

    Fox News: It doesn’t All you have to do it show it to our viewers and say looney left over and over and they’ll think you’re a genius. Next.

    Conservative 3: I’m a Republican politician. I don’t have the courage to say no to the Corporate lobbyists, I goosestep the party line. I’m a coward, everyone laughs at me because they know I’m the lobbyist’s bitch.

    Fox News: Here is a medal. Take it and you will be brave.

    Conservative 3: How will this medal make me brave?

    Fox News: It won’t but show it to our viewers and don’t worry we won’t ask you any tough questions. Our viewers will think you are brave. Next.

    Dorothy: I want to go home to reality.

    Fox News: Sorry we can’t help you there. Our station doesn’t do reality. We wouldn’t have viewers if we did. By the way we’re sending the wicked witch Megan Kelly after your ass.

    Dorothy: Why?

    Fox News: In Conservative world “reality” is blasphamy.

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    A five year old child can phrase false statements, false accusations and wild insults as innocent sounding questions. Unless you are used to dealing with such obnoxious communication, it can be shocking. But shocking and immature describe the audience that Fox news promotes to.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you give us an example of MSNBC lying on the air? And why don’t we read articles like this one on Fox about MSNBC if they are somehow a leftist equivalent of Fox?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SSO7OBZ5JQAI4LXZMHM63MGMFM Roy

    Michelle Maulkin is an idiot. Period. I met some of the biggest idiots in my lifetime while I was in grad school by the way. She’s an idiot.

  • hegesias

    How can you call Michelle Maulkin an idiot?!?!? It’s Michelle Malkin! And she is a FUCKING idiot.

  • Guest

    The Fox Fool Network

  • Anonymous

    “Isn’t this what happens in communist countries?”

    Yes, scripting the news is definitely what happens in communist countries. And on Fox “News.”

  • Anonymous

    How is President Reagan “not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around” with the Earned Income Tax Credit?

    Reagan. Dirty. F–kin’. Hippy.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about anybody else but I am so not shocked! The rightwingnut nation is completely stupid because of FAUX Propaganda Network.

  • http://liberaldefenderoffreedom.blogspot.com/ mikefromArlington

    Keep the heat on. All Americans need to know Fox is all propaganda all the time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    Yeah….this could all happened if you have a job.

  • Anonymous

    They aren’t stupid. They have been subliminally brainwashed. Faux uses techniques developed by the CIA to brainwash people. If faux news’s satellite went offline and these people had to go for a week without it they would come back to their senses. If you watch it long enough it “imprints” on your brain. This is something that is hush hush but it is true.

    I mean why would people object to making the health care industry answer to them instead of profits? Why would people object to clean water, fresh air and product safety unless they were brainwashed to think it is a bad thing.

    During the bush years I read an article about this phenomena. I have been trying to find it again to pass on.

  • Guest

    You missed the point.

  • Anonymous

    Fox fake, racist, propaganda, hate show… masquerading as news.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Exactly. “Socialist countries” are countries like Sweden, which we would not be wrong to admire.

    Virtually ALL of the former “Communist countries” (which is clearly what Fox “News” implies when they use the word “socialist” were actually authoritarian dictatorships.

    Country Dictator
    USSR Stalin
    China Mao
    N Korea Kim
    Cuba Castro

    The Repubs really, really miss their perfect boogieman, Communism.
    Some of these countries posed a real military threat to us at one time or the other, but it’s complete nonsense that any of them wanted to turn us in a communistic country.

    Complete RW nonsense.

  • hourglass1

    a much needed update to this from 2004:

    Joe the Middle-Class Republican (Teabagger)

    Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

    All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

    Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

    Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

    Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

    He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

    He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    You are surely on target Bob.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Sorry I disagree. You cannot blame Fox for the stupidity of the American electorate. Even though I agree that Fox is mostly propaganda for the criminal Republican right.

  • trank

    common folks, fox is diddly without 1000 coordinated repeating unchallenged radio stations

  • Anonymous

    Fox not-News also script fear and hate. They not only promote it they allow it to thrive on their forums http://foxnewscomments.com/, read through this, well at least as much as you can tolerate, to get a real idea of what fox not-news really trades in.

  • Anonymous

    So, this is further proof that Fox News and specifically, its dear leader Rupert Murdoch is a clear and present danger to our democratic processes and principles.

    Sadly for the rest of us, Rupert is loaded. Uber-wealthy. So our laws and our principles of equal justice and accountability mean nothing to him. Why should they? The uber-wealthy, uber-connected get to live under one set of rules that alway favor them. Everyone else? The Shaft.

    Rupert knows that no matter how many lies he’s responsible for, and the harm they have caused – no one, no cop, no prosecutor, no lawmaker, no judge – not one single person who’s job it is to hold this man accountable for the lies, distortions, and outright intentional and malicious ideology disguised as news will ever pay a penalty under law for his crimes.

    The only penalty he’ll pay is the continued billions in profit he makes from the Thugs who buy advertising on Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly and the other Flying Monkeys he employs. And the Sheep viewers who can’t wait to feed daily at his trough.

    The only difference between Rupert and a tin-pot despot dictator is, Rupert isn’t in charge of a country.

    - Yet.

  • Anonymous

    A good communication lawyer could challenge News Corps fitness to hold broadcast licenses in the US and end the problem. Granted the network is semi immune, but in my previous posts regarding the 100 plus News Corp owned FCC licensed radio and television stations I did touch a nerve. A petition to deny renewal would remove a large amount of operating capital from the corporation and would cause them to re-examine their on-air product. The bottom line Rupert Murdock and company are in this to make MONEY. They program for the highest common denominator demographic a.k.a. Angry White Collar/Blue Collar males who are gullible and only get their “news” from a single source.If the cash cow provided by the locally owned Fox TV and radio stations were threatened then I would not be surprised to see a reduction of the rhetoric. Look at the books, you’ll see that the locally owned Radio and TV stations licensed by the FCC provide a lot of operating capital for the network. As recent polls have suggested the viewership is beginning to realize that the “Emperor is not wearing clothes”. They have oversold the so-called technical errors (naming criminal Republicans as Democrats regularly) and have been caught too many times twisting reality. The blatant “In your face” partisan propaganda is also beginning to raise a stench.Again, any good communication lawyers out there ready to make a name for themselves and possibly save a country?

  • Anonymous

    Fox “News” = America’s Pravda

  • Anonymous

    I still vote for Pravda.

  • Anonymous

    Leave it to losers like Steve Doocy and Michelle Malkin to be involved with this. Fox News is a menace to our society.

  • Anonymous

    Very nicely done. Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Reaganomics and the Bush tax cuts spread the wealth around — to the folks at the top.

  • Anonymous

    I dunno, Jase. It looks to me like they’ve been engaged in a decade-long campaign of manufactured stupidity. In fact, the Tea Party is, in essence, the Fox Party. Use that label for the Bircher-Baggers, and what they do and say will start to make a whole lot more sense to you.

    Plus, in Florida, Fox won a case on the grounds that they were not legally obligated to tell the truth, and could in fact lie to their audience. Lies directly result in stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    Freedom of Screech.

  • Anonymous

    Summarily dismissing all news media as liars is just plain old lazy-ass false equivalency, bro. Few get it entirely right, but several try mightily to do so, and to denigrate them all for the actions of a few is just a reprehensibly juvenile thing to do. Go peddle that jazz on Alex Jones’ website.

  • Anonymous

    Sir, I would be honored to be in a foxhole with you!

  • Anonymous

    I hear that Fox are going to appoint a new Media Supremo – I think the blokes name is Joseph Goebbels…is he any good? Do you think he will fit in at Fox News?

  • Anonymous

    And have their lives ruined by baseless accusations and endless attempts to “shoot the messenger”.

  • Anonymous

    Journalists have a responsibility to tell the truth.

    Do you know why they have this responsibility? It’s not just hot air.

    They have it because it is detrimental to society when it doesn’t happen.

    Conservatives think that people only have rights. Normal people understand that we have responsibilities that go with those rights.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    What do you mean by “attempts”. The messenger and his or her family would be dead by that night and FOX would blame left wing extremist terrorists and produce the pristine letter that was accidentally left behind. Their sheeple would agree.

  • Anonymous

    It’s about time to start a serious campaign to put Fix News out of business…sponsor by sponsor. Who’s with me?

  • Anonymous

    I actually really appreciate what FOX (Foriegn Owed Xtremist) news does for us Dems. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had the opportunity to make Conservatives look like complete and utter asshats simply by producing the missing facts that Fox pundits and entertainers like Hannity, Beck and OhReally leave out when they craft their opinion driven entertainment segments. With the loss of Major Garret, Shep Smith is the only person on that network with a shred of integrity and I sincerely believe he has their nuts in a sling. One tell all book from Shep could probably bring News Corp to it’s knees.

  • Anonymous

    Hate to bust your bubble dude, but FOX has already gone to court and fought for the right to lie to us. And they Won!

    Cant copy/paste on here from my iphone: Google Jane Akre and read the Whistle blower section on the Wiki.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Well it IS Fox sooo …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P3H3P7BOG6M72EBFSR4ER4KQYM Ralph

    Isn’t ordering what journalists say the mark of a facist or socialist country? Hummm. I wonder who the real anti-democratic force is in the country!

  • Anonymous

    No, this is exactly what Joseph Goebbels did in Nazi Germany.

  • Anonymous

    Wow that’s a shocker.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately the viewers of Fox news hold them in the same high esteem as physicians and lawyers, some one you can and should trust. Fox news betrays the public every minute of every day.

  • Anonymous

    Fox news is but one of the megaphones in the US Propaganda Arsenal. You know the propaganda has been effective when it is no longer necessary to use much camouflage… I find this very discouraging.

  • Ignatzfattis

    Why do Americans have to learn everything the hard way? Our history is full of this kind of thing -we can’t see the obvious outcome of something until we have all experienced it’s full negative effects and the damage is already done, despite years of warnings.As an example, it’s a lot like your neighborhood’s typical dangerous traffic intersection -nothing gets done about it until at least a couple pedestrians get killed there -despite countless warnings from concerned parents, etc.We all know Fox News has been pure unadulterated Right Wing propaganda for at least a decade -the damage that has been done to our country’s political and social atmosphere by it’s intentional lies during that time has been tremendously extensive -including making possible the elections of politicians lately who would never have passed the smell test with out Fox’s concerted efforts, and even to the point of targeting public figures who have been killed as a result of that targeting, to say nothing about almost a generation of Americans who will stubbornly carry Fox’s shameless fabrications to their graves, making decisions based on them that will effect us all.

  • Anonymous

    I would think a RICOsuit or conspiracy to commit mass fraud suit would be in order.

  • Anonymous

    Elizabeth Fanning and Bill Sammon. People should remember these names; they should be dogged wherever they go with peaceful protest.!

  • Anonymous


  • Anonymous

    I swear these people use 1984 as an operations manual.

  • Anonymous

    Rupert has much bigger designs than a for profit news cast. He is airing Glenn Beck in the UK without any advertisers. The Newscorp play is to further destroy the Constitutional protections of the USA Citizens so that he can reap the rewards in his other profit centers. Without the propoganda distractions of his machine the former middle-class would have long ago looked at what Free Trade and Deregulations have done to them and demand that out-sourcing and the industry monitoring of itself for Oil and Gas exploration has done to our country.

    Most of the Tea Partiers have lost their place in line for the American Dream and are willingly following the Rupert dogma because it gives them a place to put their anger. GE and Westinghouse although not as blatantly deceptive have also controlled the dialog and kept it away from the US returning to the fiscal and governmental direction that could turn this around.

    One month into the new group of elected Federal legislators we see that Abortion is back, climate change is being discredited and infastructire and jobs are not important.

    Time to retake our country from those who have engineered our demise and return to the regulations and import controls that built the middle class in the 20 Century.

  • Anonymous

    Tear down the Fox Building.
    Then, sow the entire site with salt and powerful disinfectants.

    In 200 years, the site will be suitable for human use once again.

  • Anonymous

    You are so right on the mark, ignatzfattis.

    Exactly right.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. The postings are amazing. I was thinking that it is the dialog for the pictures of the People of Walmart.

  • Anonymous

    If there’s a definite plan for taking out FAUX News, count me in.

    I wish we could “Acorn” them.

    (But you’ve gotta’ have corporate backing for that!).

  • Anonymous

    From your lips to God’s ears.

    (Or the ears of a good Communiucations Lawyer)

  • Anonymous

    I still think they are stupid. I agree it is brainwashing. The Bush adm. used it non stop. Why I think they are stupid is because even though the whole world is calling them stupid they still will not turn the channel or have any curiosity to find out why. They are all a lot like bush himself! Advertisers have known for a long time the more often a person hears the name of their product the more likely they are to remember the name. The bush adm repeated their lies so often, with the help from fox, that those lies suddenly became truth. Independent thinking is not very prevalent in the republican party. Thats why they are stupid.

  • Anonymous

    I had a discussion with someone once about the difference between ignorant and stupid. Upon further reflection I agree with your comment that faux viewers are stupid. When you start a discussion with them and point out they are wrong and support it with facts they get angry and start screaming. Stupid people can not accept criticism and logic is not a word in their vocabulary. I just hope the American people wake up to who is playing them for fools.

  • Anonymous

    These Fox guys seem to be good at improv. Did they receive any training as actors?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JBIAEYKRLQ3I574QNVSWBNNKVI M

    Cut the bosses some slack. Fox reporters can’t think for themselves.

  • John Kessler

    Barbara West asked Joe Biden, “How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?”

    Ok, so what do we call those who support the conservative side who intend to transfer wealth from the working class, the middle class and and the poor up to the rich oligarchs?

  • Anonymous

    The suite you refer to only covered the network. The standards for FCC licensed radio and television stations are much higher as they are licensed to serve and protect the public interest Unlike the network which is considered a content provider.
    Once again, any communication lawyers out there ready to make a name for themselves, and possibly save a country?

  • Anonymous

    Your kidding right? If the accusations are “baseless” then no ones “Lives will be ruined”.
    I notice you seem to propose a “second amendment solution” with your reference to “shoot the messenger”. was that a Freudian slip or a result of a little to much exposure to the “Mighty Wurlitzer”

  • Anonymous

    How is there a difference?
    FOX won the case. The case was about lying on a News report. President doesnt delineate between a Network or a Program.
    Let me try a hunch here. THe SKY IS BLUE.

  • Anonymous

    The case you reference involved the NETWORK, not the FOX owned Television stations. There is a huge difference. The network is a content provider under completely different regulations than the Television broadcast stations. Let me try a hunch for you:
    Apparently you not understand or comprehend the difference in regulatory structure between broadcast television stations and network content providers..

  • Anonymous

    And apparently you’re too much of a smug know-it-all to actually look at an article that someone directs you to. The FOX affiliate in Tampa, an FCC regulated station, not the News Channel, was the defendant in the case I referred to. However, since your so big on bullshit and short on facts, it might enlighten you to know that regardless of whether it was FOX news channel or an affiliate, they are still governed by the same FCC rules if they air in this country. Hence the FEDERAL COMMUNICATION COMMISSION.
    I win.

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations on your perceived victory!
    However I will point out that there is a large difference between “affiliate” and an “owned and operated” facility. The case you refer to is based on an issue of “Content” which the FCC typically avoids unless it is an issue of profanity. As far as my knowledge, with over three decades in the broadcast industry I am comfortable with my, as you put it, “smugness and bull shit”. Enjoy your triumph!

    But I would suggest that you review the rules and regulations on the FCC page. Nowhere will you find an application process for Network Television, only for the uplinks used by those services. The network if it chooses to use the old common carrier links provided by what was once called AT&T Long Lines (a coaxial based terrestrial wired video network connection) can have no dealings with the FCC period.

    However the regulatory pages for BROADCAST television stations is quite extensive.
    Since you a secure with your “facts” and have a misguided understanding of the rules regarding BROADCAST stations, it is a waste of my time and effort to attempt to educate you. However on the off chance that you would like to pursue FACTS check the FCC.gov site under the Media Bureau Video Division.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    From the FCC website regarding distortion of news.

    What Are the Broadcasters’ Responsibilities?

    As public trustees, broadcasters may not intentionally distort the news. Broadcasters are responsible for deciding what their stations present to the public. The FCC has stated publicly that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.” The FCC does act to protect the public interest where it has received documented evidence of such rigging or slanting. This kind of evidence could include testimony, in writing or otherwise, from “insiders” or persons who have direct personal knowledge of an intentional falsification of the news. Of particular concern would be evidence about orders from station management to falsify the news. In the absence of such documented evidence, the FCC has stressed that it cannot intervene.


    In the case you cited, the Jane Akre case, it was never brought before the FCC. It was according to the link you provided a civil case against the television station for wrongful termination and whistleblower protection. This case was according to your link never put before the FCC. I understand what you are saying, but again this case was never sent before the FCC. On the link I provided there are specific conditions that must be met to file a complaint with the FCC. My apologies for not reading you link earlier as I could have saved us both time and effort in our dialog. I respect your diligence in providing the link, but it was a civil matter and not federal. My apologies for the heated rhetoric on my part.

  • Anonymous

    No worries. Good debate

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, it was fun and caused me to think, and thinking is what will get US (U.S.) out of this quagmire. The consolidation of media I have watched from the inside over many years causes me to have grave concern. I watched information sources strangled from 5,000 to 500 to 5 and the difference is startling. Don’t even get me rolling on the Fairness Doctrine LOL I will scorch the page LOL.

    It is indeed a shame that centralist and moderates do not have a sane public voice other than the keyboard to keyboard communication the we rig up between ourselves. The problem, we always end up “Preaching to the choir” and do not expand our base. That is where the other side has the advantage. They own Talk Radio, and television. But if we keep punching back we can grow this one person at a time.

    Warmest regards (especially today)
    TITP Dallas

  • Anonymous

    Yet another reason we should be paying close attention to media acquisitions like Comcast’s latest purchase. I’m with you 100% on the fairness doctrine and wish it would resurface as an issue for debate. Of course we will be fighting the Freepers, Creepers, the Birthers and the Baggers when they strike up the idiot choir and declare the Obama is taking over the Media.(pause as I rip a hank of hair from my head) I wont even get started on Citizens United cuz I only have so much hair. Stay warm.

  • Anonymous

    The system is rigged totally against the public and if they had the slightest awareness of how bad they were ripped off there would be riots in the streets. I’ve been in the industry many years and fondly remember the days of “Point Counter Point” programs where issues were discussed, probed, and in most cases resolved with fair compromise.

    Now dialog has vanished and the attempt at programming from “Air America” failed for several reasons including frankly, being to “Hip” for the room. The second biggest problem with AA was signal penetration in cities as most affiliates were “rim-shot” deep suburban signals with no chance of being listenable in the city itself.

    I miss the days of listening to radio and hearing the regional dialects as one drove from region to region. Now it’s not-stop SAT Trackers carrying either the first tier all the way down to the third tier of non-stop conservative blather.

    Funny thing, I know personally most of these people and they don’t really believe the Bull Shit they spew, the second and third tier talent only spew this garbage because the first tier are raking in the bucks, so they believe that’s what it takes to be successful.

    Say what you will about radio in the 60′s – the early 80′s at least it was “Live and Local”
    Stay warm, be safe and be well Mikkyfinn

  • Anonymous

    Why couldn’t a good communication lawyer challenge the many liberal owners and ownership radio and tv stations around America, thereby costing those owners a great deal of operating cash? Want a twist for reality? Call a bill a help for Americans, while closing debate, and saddling us with a large bill for an unconstitutional bill which penalizes Americans for not buying something, but stating the Commerce Clause covers that non-purchase. Leftists are good at spending other peoples money. Maybe some Tea Party folks will begin to sue leftist radio stations, hosts, etc. for their freedom of speech? No, we support even the nuts to have freedom of speech. It is the Progressives and leftists that want to limit the first amendment.

  • Anonymous

    Has Obama gone to court and fought to continue to lie to us and won? No, he just lost. His capstone legislation has been declared unconstitutional. Libs and communists, there are freedoms that we will not give up.

  • Anonymous

    If you can find a leftist owned media outlet and they were engaging in the activity described above, I’d be right there with you. Yes I would agree 100 percent with challenging licenses.

    You see, over the years the public has forgotten that the airwaves are “ours” yours, mine and everyone else. If a licensee does not act as a good steward of our property then whether they are left, right, or ambidextrous they should face the consequences of their bad faith actions. If I were to trash your property you would be upset right? It’s the same regarding stewardship of broadcast licenses. As much as you would like to make it a Left versus Right issue, it is in reality not. In closing, I do agree that the health care bill is BS and was written by and for the health industry.

  • Anonymous

    You must not know about NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc. and the leftist producers, directors, news readers, etc. Where could you live in the great state of Texas that you would not know this. Even in west Texas the good folks there know of this.