US plan: Replace Mubarak with torture-linked ‘CIA point man’

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 21:07 EDT
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A US plan to see Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak leave office immediately is reportedly in the works and would see a transitional government formed by Mubarak’s vice-president, a former head of Egypt’s spy agency and an alleged “CIA point man” who facilitated the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorism suspects.

US officials are discussing a plan with Egyptian officials that would see Mubarak quit immediately and hand over power to a transitional government run by Vice President Omar Suleiman, the New York Times reported Thursday.

Even though Mr. Mubarak has balked, so far, at leaving now, officials from both governments are continuing talks about a plan in which, Mr. Suleiman, backed by Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the Defense Minister, would immediately begin a process of constitutional reform.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood, to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.

As spy chief, Suleiman reportedly embraced the CIA’s controversial “extraordinary rendition” program, in which terror suspects snatched by the Americans were taken to Egypt and other countries without legal proceedings and subjected to interrogations.

He “was the CIA’s point man in Egypt for rendition,” Jane Mayer, author of The Dark Side, wrote on the New Yorker‘s website.

After taking over as spy director, Suleiman oversaw an agreement with the United States in 1995 that allowed for suspected militants to be secretly transferred to Egypt for questioning, according to the book “Ghost Plane” by journalist Stephen Grey.

US officials told the New York Times the US plan to replace Mubarak with Suleiman is one of several under consideration, and there is no evidence yet that the Egyptian leadership will accept it.

Officials told the Times that the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters in the streets and the willingness of the military to accept it.

With an earlier report from AFP

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    “…..the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters ….”

    in other words, if we can get it by the egyptian people, we’ll just sneak in this other guy who we want. I think US is afraid of losing control of their control of the Arab world that they used to maintain through their proxy power in Egypt

    as an independent free thinking American, I find it hard to support this. but that’s just it, it’s not up to me, it’s up to the Egyptian people.

  • Anonymous

    The very Idea that we can have talks about controlling the outcome of a revolution by the people just epitomizes western philosophy. We are the rulers, and will dictate which actors will play which roles, for otherwise the narrative might be damaged, god forbid. Then who will carry out our rendition flights and torture? Maybe we should start shipping people back to Uzbekistan so Islam Karimov can boil them alive

  • ce2756

    Amazing. The US diplomatic corps must have the collective IQ of a turnip. This kind of BS is what breeds radical anti-US governments.
    Obama needs to withdraw support from Mubarak, and stay the hell out of this mess until things settle into place. Then work with the new government. We need to stop denying citizens of sovereign nations their right of self determination.
    The problem is that the US government is anti-democracy.

  • Anonymous

    I said the US will be involved.

  • Anonymous

    Here we go again folks. The US meddles in the affairs of other nations and we wonder why we’re so hated around the world. Western hypocrisy at it’s finest.

  • Ma’at

    Yeah. They hate us for our freedoms. *eye roll*

    The U.S. needs to go the way of other failed, evil empires.

  • Anonymous

    It should be clear to most everyone by this point that no matter whether Mubarak is forced out or leaves Egypt or not, his replacement will have to have the imprimatur of the two main powers in the region: the US and Great Britain. As long as Tony Blair and pushing him into the spotlight on this issue and those in the American government are calling the shots and setting up the rules of the end game for this “people’s rebellion,” the people of Egypt are going to get short shrift, if they weren’t set up by the CIA in the first place, which I think we still can’t definitively say one way or the other. We may (or may not) know soon though, when the Egyptian secret police start rounding people up, we may begin to see who they go after.

  • hourglass1

    the headline says it all – and don’t think the world isn’t paying attention.

    mubarak’s thugs are fed with your tax dollars and waiting out the protestors who are running out of flour and water. if the people back down and go home now, they will be hunted down and eliminated.

    americans, there are consequences to who and what you support. as usual, obama’s words are only a salve, a balm, for the american conscience …

  • Anonymous

    People are correct, they are trying to put their man the CIA guy into Mubaraks place so that they can continue what Mubarak can’t. The problem is that Mubarak has already halfway tried this by bringing him in as VP and the crowd don’t like it. The US is afraid of losing Egypt, because they know that if Egypt goes they lose a large vital muslim nation that was “controlled” for their benefit. Saudi Arabia has money, but they are a small populated country. And if it goes, it alone could sway alot of other countries in the muslim community. The only reason that Saudi Arabia hasn’t any demonstrations (they will when Mubarak leaves) is because the Kingdom blocks news of any and severely represses any dissent.

    This plan won’t work, not by a long shot. If this was the US it would work, but not in other societies.

  • Anonymous

    “US government is anti-democracy” imo, is and has been for a very long time… both overseas and even more so now at home…

  • Anonymous

    Well well welllll…lookie here: all us “tin foil hatters” and “conspiracy theorists” (a Zionist MSM Meme pushed to control the message over the Domestic Terrorist Attacks of 9/11/01 btw) have been telling you dipwads that State and Clinton are CIA.

    Well??????????

    Grow up, grow a brain, get angry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    I broke this story a couple days ago.

  • Anonymous

    You’re forgetting: the US has troops in Saudi Arabia to protect the royal family that is actually Jewish. Yes, it is. Research it.

    Guarantee, you will see the tactics the US military plans to use in the US when the riots come (and they surely will) in Saudi Arabia crowd-control first.

    Get angry, get ready: Cass Sunstein, are you listening boy? Your “steering” us goyim ain’t workin’ out so well for ya.

    Wait until we take D.C…….I’ll be looking high and low (underground too, you think we don’t know loser??? D.C. Native here bubba) for your ass. Your ZIONIST ass.

  • http://twitter.com/HombreFicticio Savior Self

    Americans i think you should be demanding your government to stay out of Egypts future.

  • Anonymous

    The only reason we prop them up is to buy US arms. I’m embarrassed seeing M1 Abrams tanks herding people.

  • Anonymous

    “We may (or may not) know soon though, when the Egyptian secret police start rounding people up, we may begin to see who they go after.”

    It will be a legally defined UN “Crime Against Humanity” if this happens, and the US will have been responsible for it if Sulieman gets the helm in this US sponsored “transition to power” deal.

  • Anonymous

    I’m willing to bet that unauthorized calls to Mubarack are going on. Shadow shit!

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Won’t Get Fooled Again (The Who)

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals when they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again

    The change, it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the foe, that’s all
    And the world looks just the same
    And history ain’t changed
    ‘Cause the banners, they’d all flown in the last war

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie
    Do ya?

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    There’s nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are out-phased, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now parting on the right
    And their beards have all grown longer overnight

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

  • Anonymous

    Now whose running this joint?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Good grief. Why do they always do this? From bad to worse. You CANNOT hand over power, even temporarily, to an intel asset who has participated in torture programs. This is classic hypocrisy of the worst form: you should have democracy but only of the type of which we tell you to have because oil prices may be impacted or our geopolitical positioning in the Middle East.

  • brabbelbrox

    No wonder the BBC is broadcasting staged ‘Pro-Mubarak’ interviews on the street. Romania 1989 all over again.

    Shame on the UK and the US and their allies Mr. Westerwelle from Germany, whose party would now get below 5% of ballot turnout if there were elections next week.

    Shame on you Mr. Obama, you grand master of deceivers.

    Then “suddenly” when there are Business Interests at stake like in China, Mr. Obama himself addresses Human Rights. Getting kicked out there with Mining and IT hurts. And that nasty currency.

    “Assange is a Rapists!”, “Human Rights for China!” all of the sudden, while 2.5 Million U.S. american citizen are imprisoned and 5% of them in Solitary Confinement SuperMax Prison where they slowly loose their mind. Home of the brave and God’s own country? I don’t buy it.

  • cannotvote

    This is about governments not People – WRONG! This is about People not governments! When will ‘they’ realise the obvious – I can hardly imagine that the Egyptians would go along with anything a foreign interest wants! ElBaradei – perhaps is a front runner but I think even he won’t force himself on the Citizenry, it’s their choice – the Egyptians. So please Obama, leave well alone and lets the cards fall where they may.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Good job America of building trust! Americans might have just put the Muslim brotherhood into power with that stupid stunt.
    Johnny Warbucks you called it.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that she herself did not favor Omar Suleiman for the position but ultimately the decision rested on the desk of her boss Prime Minister Netanyahu.

  • Anonymous

    Must watch, Illustrated interview with Ambassador to Uzbekistan Mr. Craig Murray. Ex-British Ambassador about Uzbek Dictatorship; boiled alive prisoners, jailed mothers, prosecuted Muslims, etc…
    PLEASE SHARE!
    VIEWERS DISCRETION ADVISED

    Part 1/3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w097rPWM7M

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Are they joking? Our leaders are frauds, thieves and malevolent also…this guy is just like Mubarek…you can’t have the spy chief or VP takeover and expect the oppression to be different. This just goes to show that US leaders like Hillary are evil too. By their reasoning, if Bush had to go, VP Cheney would be a fine replacement. Hell has a special place for Hillary, Cheney, Bush and any neoconning, neoliberal liar.

  • Taleisin

    When is the US not involved?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Because our leaders are just plain evil and hiding behind religion or institutional legitimacy. The all attend Bilderburger and Bohemian Grove…at Bohemian Grove they worship Lucifer who they call the Bringer of Light. If people saw they would all be hanging from lamp posts.

  • Taleisin

    So the US government wants to change a dictator for someone probably worse.
    Good call. Maybe we can invade them later as we did Iraq.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Obama fooled a lot of idiots in the moderate middle where people stand for nothing. Kucinich wasn’t pretty enough for them…dumbassses!

  • Anonymous

    New boss same as the old boss.

  • Anonymous

    Who did you expect? Gandhi??

    Obushbama has to send his rendition cases somewhere to be tortured and since
    Egypt has been doing such a great job all along, why screw up a good thing?

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha. Maybe the “Bangles”:

    “Walk Like An Egyptian”

    All the old paintings on the tomb
    They do the sand dance doncha know
    If they move too quick (oh whey oh)
    They’re falling down like a domino

    And the bazaar man by the Nile
    He got the money on a bet
    All the crocodiles (oh whey oh)
    They snap their teeth on your cigarette

    Foreign types with the hookah pipes say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian

    The blonde waitresses take their trays
    They spin around and they cross the floor
    They’ve got the moves (oh whey oh)
    You drop your drink then they bring you more

    All the school kids so sick of books
    They like the punk and the metal band
    When the buzzer rings (oh whey oh)
    They’re walking like an Egyptian

    All the kids in the marketplace say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian

    Slide feet up street bend your back
    Shift your arm then you pull it back
    Life['s] hard you know (oh whey oh)
    So strike a pose on a Cadillac

    If you want to find all the cops
    They’re hanging out in the donut shop
    They sing and dance (oh whey oh)
    They spin the club, cruise down the block

    All the Japanese with their yen
    The party boys call the Kremlin
    And the Chinese know (oh whey oh)
    They walk the line like Egyptian

    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian
    Walk like an Egyptian

  • Anonymous

    Dictators are traded like US baseball players or the NBA.

  • Anonymous

    Now the deal starts to turn dirty. There had to be a monkey wrench in it. I suspect that civilian government in the United States is not in control of this, that it is a CIA call. May the people of Egypt have the strength to resist. I think we may find that the thugs trying to beat the demonstrators turn out to be an embarrassment to us. The terrorist thug in charge of security hired them, our choice to run the country. Who paid them? Was it you?

  • Anonymous

    I have three words that come from Saul Alinsky: “Organize, organize, organize.”

    Then, you may have your socialist candidate.

  • Anonymous

    This is just another example of the U.S. using the illusion of “democracy” as a foil for its undemocratic agenda.

    “…the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters in the streets and the willingness of the military to accept it.”

    Yeah, right! After the military “clears the streets”, the mood of the protesters will be a mute issue. That’s probably why they are rounding up all the foreign reporters today – to clear the streets without anyone watching. It will all depend on the ability of the anti-government protesters to systematically organize their protest which, to date, has been lacking. If they don’t, it’s all over and it will be more of the same, or worse, for Egypt for the foreseeable future.

    The last time the U.S. tried this “democratic election” gambit, Hamas ended up winning in a landslide. I don’t think that the Muslim Brotherhood can run overtly and win, but they are well embedded in the military and all other Egyptian institutions and will, undoubtedly emerge stronger.

  • Comrade

    “Obushbama.” lol nice. RS readers seem to specialize in hilarious and awkward portmanteaux.

  • Anonymous

    More torturers. Isn’t that nice?

    We used to have honor.

  • Anonymous

    I don”t know what to make of this from a Washington Post story on the supposed irrelevance of the US in the current Middle East. As usual I am a little skeptical of the source and his placement in a newspaper story from a generally government sourced newspaper. But I think that this could raise new questions about the claims of a democracy movement. Could it be that the United States no longer even means democracy in the Middle East? Or is this person merely another American toay who would rather not be associated with his handlers in the Us State Department?

    “Middle East activists say they avoid references to the United States as a political role model for fear of alienating potential supporters, said Toufan Faisal, a veteran democracy campaigner in Jordan who has been advising young protesters in the Jordanian capital, Amman.

    “I don’t think America appeals to the younger generation,” she said. “I’m cautious not to present them with the American example because there’s a negative attitude to America, a disappointment.” ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020306882.html?nav=rss_email/components&at=u%3DPrakosh%26t%3D1296793678%26e%3DPrakosh%40netscape.net%26h%3DmNtxMgPhhfFwPoq9StUvKg%3D%3D

  • Knot

    Awesome motivational from elsewhere.
    http://imgur.com/TCNOH

  • Anonymous

    If the activity I am describing is defined as a “crime against humanity” i will be convinced that the United States was not involved. Look at all the innocent civilians the United States has killed in the last 8 years in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan; look at all the thousands of innocent people our armed forces have rounded up, jailed indefinitely and tortured, some to death, and we nor any of our allies in these endeavors have ever been charged with crimes against humanity yet. So if such charges emerge I would know we weren’t involved.

    We are after all still, in Phil Ochs’ immortal words: “The Cops of The World”!

  • MarkCyst

    We used to say we used to have no honor like what we used to, but I think enough time has passed (and there is also enough to know about the past) to say that we never really had any honor at all. If you don’t agree, fine, but at least some of us know the truth, the more you really know about our history, the more you know it was not so kind and rarely peaceful… When I think about it, the word ‘honor’ does not immediately come to mind, now if you were to include “dis” to conjoin the two, I would be inclined to agree.

    Thankfully, that doesn’t mean we still can’t be critical of how we are today, surely, it’s the mistakes of the past, which we’ve largely chosen to ignore but should have learned from instead, alas, if that were the case, perhaps we’d learn to stop making the same mistakes now and hopefully again in the future…

  • Guest

    Hard to argue against on the job training.

  • Anonymous

    Why do we continue to support terrorists and dictators worldwide? I mean, does Obama really think the Egyptian people want ANOTHER dictator to take the place of the present one? I just don’t understand…

  • Anonymous

    The repubs should rejoice in this good news. Bush is probably thinking that following his
    lead will breed success. Just as long as the Egyptian govt doesn’t go after its war criminals
    like here.

  • Anonymous

    Froy your lips to God’s ears Mick.

  • hourglass1

    exactly!

    they should be smoking it!

  • hourglass1

    when was that? before the monroe doctrine?

    sad isn’t davisss13? i think we used to ‘believe’ we had honor is more accurate. there isn’t even any pretense anymore – except in speeches designed for the white house steno pool and to keep us obedient.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Habib was interrogated by the country’s Intelligence Director, General Omar Suleiman…. Suleiman took a personal interest in anyone suspected of links with Al Qaeda. As Habib had visited Afghanistan shortly before 9/11, he was under suspicion. Habib was repeatedly zapped with high-voltage electricity, immersed in water up to his nostrils, beaten, his fingers were broken and he was hung from metal hooks.
    To loosen Habib’s tongue, Suleiman ordered a guard to murder a gruesomely shackled Turkistan prisoner in front of Habib – and he did, with a vicious karate kick.

    …what’s not statesmanlike about that?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KORPQY5FRLCYZ6NPPDCEXUYQPI Rupert Murdoch

    A transitional government. That’s what Elbaradei is there to provide. Mubarak would never accept that. So some other, neutral figure has to be found. Will Mubarak agree to that?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Hear me now and forget me later…With what Suleiman knows firsthand about the American torture program, the US will protect him and promote him to the top job and keep him there for the rest of his life, and it will be a more bipartisan effort than the engineered demise of ACORN.

  • Anonymous

    Gosh, it would be like our “transition” from Bush to Obama.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Same old same old……To be honest I am getting tired at urinating on the US and the UK, nothing surprises me, I think we probably deserve this Islamic radicalism madness, we have behaved like pigs for centuries, no wonder these people despise us and want us dead.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Muslim brotherhood or not, its more about radicalization after a crackdown. When you have nothing else left, you go underground and go freedom fighter. And we all now what ‘one man’s freedom fighter’ is. For better or for worse, this event is a game-changer and there is little that could have changed that given the current conditions and the country’s unfortunate history. It’s come to a tipping point (apologize for the cliche).

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Lets hope not. I tend to think not. From what I have been reading, this crowd routinely comes out in force to terrorize urban neighborhoods (where the liberals typically live) during polling in MuBarack’s infrequent pseudo-democratic mock-lections.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “portmanteaux”…I like that.
    Y’all ain’t from these here parts, is ya? (sound of flipping pages, looking up “portmanteaux”)

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Suleiman is just another pawn in the US’ quest for a world Empire. This is exactly what they wanted…

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Saw this slideshow today at FP: America’s Other Most Embarrassing Allies
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/31/americas_other_most_embarrassing_allies

    There are several other who are arguably even worse than MuBarack, as difficult as this might be to imagine this week.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    For real? This is Bibi’s first pick?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    No surprise their. look how much of a myth they have made of Bin Laden. The world’s only living martyr.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    He saw a flying saucer and his wife is too tall.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    A majority of the $1.something billion gets kicked back to US arks mfgs. A game as old as dust.
    Read John Perkins ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’? It’s all there.

  • Anonymous

    did you read where suleiman wasn’t “sqeaumish..” about his role in all the renditions and torture?
    now, that’s our kind of man in cairo!!

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    With the added benefit of shutting Sulieman up for the long term. He did the US bidding in the glow-bull warunterra. Egypt is central to the US covert rendition and torture by proxy program. Obama has to keep him quiet and happy if he wants to continue to look forward and not back. President for life and untold wealth oughta do it.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin and the Delaware Witch would say he’s manned up.

  • Anonymous

    sounds like our kind on man in cairo!!

    again, in that new yorker article
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/01/who-is-omar-suleiman.html

    Edward S. Walker, Jr., a former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, described Suleiman as “very bright, very realistic,” adding that he was cognizant that there was a downside to “some of the negative things that the Egyptians engaged in, of torture and so on. But he was not squeamish, by the way.”

    not squeamish!, that’s our kind of man in Cairo…. and the new middle east the US has been furiously trying to play catch up with as their dictators fall one by one (three weeks and one dictator gone, another one with a foot out of the door, and at least one more for sure wobbling. and two or three more at least waiting in the wings….)

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    I heard something foreboding on CNN.
    One of the correspondents is reporting that several trucks loaded with teams of black body armor-clad troops are rolling in during the evening. These will most likely be interior ministry crowd-control shock troops. Tomorrow is going to be pretty bad, methinks. I don’t guess I’ll be sleeping that well tonight.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Smooth transition that. Soooo smooth.

  • Anonymous

    Our government does not respond to our demands.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    No.Scott Horton has a post up today that explains why he believes Hosni has no intention of going anywhere, not now or in September.
    Gimme Shelter http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/02/gimme_shelter

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    This would be par for the course when you consider how Obama promoted Stanley McChrystal.

  • http://twitter.com/PitchforkTorchz Canadian Patriot

    The United Snakes of Torture.
    Did you expect anything else ?

  • Anonymous

    That’s probably why he wants all the foreign correspondents gone. But I’ve never heard of a regime that targets foreign journalists coming off as winners. Already the pro Mubarak mob is losing the PR battle.

  • http://twitter.com/PitchforkTorchz Canadian Patriot

    “Great job with all the torture you did for us over the years,
    How would you like to be the next President of Egypt ? ” ~ White House

    and they hate us for our freedoms.

  • DriveBy

    This is nothing new as far as the US is concerned, is it? I mean, this is what we do…. This is what we are: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html

  • Anonymous

    Tony Blair isn’t the PM of the U.K, since him there has been Gordon Brown and the current PM is David Cameron.

  • Anonymous

    Will we ever get our head out of our ass?

  • Anonymous

    I get bitter watching Star Trek the Next Generation. We used to think of ourselves as a country that advanced civilization and was above torture, and that we’d go to space one day and make the whole universe better.

    Sure the US has been doing this nonsense since long before day 1 (if one reads Howard Zinn one knows this) but even into the ’90s we still had a sweet naivety about ourselves as somehow a force for good. Now we’re just a great darkness in the world, full of ego and ignorance and adolescent vengeful rage. Power is as power does, I guess.

    Maybe once China surpasses us we can go back to barracks and turn into a decent if somewhat antique democracy.

    For now though, with the Suleiman maneuver, we’re just something out of Costa-Gravas’ worst nightmares.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    GREAT HEADLINE RAWSTORY!

    this is why I love you!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    by the way, heard on Al-Jazeera today that according to Egyptian law (such as it is) the speaker of the parliament is next in line for the Presidency, not the vice-President

  • Anonymous

    Amazing! Someone’s actually trying to figure the mood of the protestors on the streets into the equation? Have they learned nothing at all from the example of the U$, that paradigm of democracy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Are we supposed to be surprised by this?

    The has always replaced the pawns with other torturers.

  • Sc00ter5111

    I am truly ashamed to be an American.
    We were NEVER “the good guys”.
    We started with the genocide of the native American population long before the Declaration of Independence was drafted.
    “Total War” is POLICY. “pacification” (a euphemism used in the Viet Nam war years) is the killing of every inhabitant of the target population. Even the livestock was considered “communist”. Pregnant women were gutted like game animals and heads of the the unborn were smashed under the jack boots of our “brave troops”.
    Our “brave troops” (I am a veteran) murdered over 4.5 million Viet-Namese.
    Estimates vary widely about the count of innocent victims in the latest blood bath from 2 million to 12 million because we don’t do “body counts” any more. While our own losses exceed 70,000. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/06/iraqafghanistan-.html
    http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/03/21/02286.html
    The US mainstream media is under CIA/MOSSAD control AKA “Mockingbird”, so very little of what they have to say is credible.
    If you want the truth: go elsewhere.
    The fascist israeli euphemism for “settlements” is ETHNIC CLEANSING by way of murder, torture, terrorism, rape, pedophilia and harvesting the internal organs of Palestinian children they murder on an hourly schedule.

    Mubarak’s thug cronie ; Obamas choice for obvious reason will be even more brutal to freedom seeking Egyptians than his predecessor, who more than likely (with fascist MOSSAD direction) was behind the assassination of Anwar Sadat.

    As israels whore and Dominionist puppet http://revcom.us/a/033/dominionism-be-very-afraid.htm Obama is INTENTIONALLY THE WORST and most evil thug that ever held the office. If you click on any of the supplied links: the one in this paragraph is a MUST SEE. What you don’t know can really hurt you.

    When it comes to what this empire, the UK and the fascist theocracy of israel are capable of defies accurate description. Believe the worst imaginable outcome and you still have probably not imagined all. If we don’t take our country back from him his ilk and the likes of the Clintons, McCains Bernakes, Bushs, all holding israeli citizenship and Sarah Palins soon: there will be nothing left to recover.

    http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/us_war_crimes/Eisenhowers_death_camps.htm

    http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/06/uss-liberty-flubbed-up-false-flag.html

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/history-of-false-flag-attack-operation-northwood-and-the-uss-liberty/

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

    http://www.christusrex.org/www1/news/war-crimes-index.html

    http://antiisgood.wordpress.com/must-readsee-about-israel/

  • Anonymous

    Hey,why not a CIA puppet. In 2008, the AMerican people took to the polls with hope for change, and we elected a CIA puppet. What’s to worry?

  • http://voxxrocks.com/blog/ HIStory Indeed

    Same shit different dictator.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Suleiman sounds like CNN’s kind of guy. Maybe Dandy Andy Cooper can get an interview, and not have to run for his life. Mmbwaaahahahaha.

  • Anonymous

    America needs to keep their rotten paws off this situation in Egypt.

  • Anonymous

    C’mon, folks. THe USA has pumped so much money into the country, this is not exactly headline news material. Its a no-brainer that the US will want to put one of its shills into power. But of course, the Egyptian people will never go for a pro-western leader. Unless ofcourse we starve them out, by letting the food prices get to a point where every man, woman and child is on their knees begging for a western dictator to bring in the affordable living conditions.

  • Anonymous

    …..or the zionists, who have been expecting this for sometime and most likely have a diabolical card up their sleeve.

  • Sc00ter5111

    Fascist Israeli spy arrested amid Egypt unrest http://abna.ir/data.asp?s=y&lang=3&id=224181
    Any questions about who else is meddling there besides the fascist theocracy and the US stooges?
    Human rights and “democracy” terrify the fascist theocracy in Jerusalem, an occupied city, which is currently undergoing some serious ETHNIC CLEANSING.
    Egypt would be best served by an anti-American/anti-israeli democracy. Under the status quo: the Egyptian people are pawns and cattle for Nazi Zionist and US corporate exploitation.
    Israel is a “friend” or “ally” of NO ONE but those seeking to be raped and exploited. They will even kill your young for the huge profits in illegal organ harvesting, as proven, from Kosovo to Haiti and the GAZA DEATH CAMP. http://abna.ir/data.asp?s=y&lang=3&id=224181

  • Anonymous

    When there is nothing to be gained.

  • Anonymous

    Egypts biggest problem,

    “Location, location, location.!”

  • Anonymous

    “The Egyptian people will never go for a pro-western leader” – I hope you’re right about this but all indications are we’re looking at an about-to-be hijacked revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Making over the world in their own image. WE are in deeper trouble than I thought.

  • Anonymous

    Fail

  • Taleisin

    lol

  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    The US plans to replace Mubarak…………………The “US” plans to replace………The “US”…..
    Do you get it now folks?
    This is Imperialism in your face.
    It’s always under the guise of “US” interest and National Security.
    Our Government has become a Tyranny, operating under a mode of deception.
    They do not believe in self rule, rule by and for the people.
    It is the same right here in our own backyard.
    Leaders are selected and not elected throughout the world at the behest of the Empire, the Oligarchy does not care about Liberty, Dignity, and Justice.
    It is fueled by it’s thirst for blood, mayhem, greed and power.
    America has become the new Fascist State, only dressed with it’s Sunday Best and a Face Lift to make it appear more enticing.

  • Anonymous

    US plan: Replace Mubarak with torture-linked ‘CIA point man’
    I thought the ‘people’ were to speak…
    You know if, as reported, the US supported opposition groups in this revolution
    Then what is the chances the US supported and AIDED those that killed
    Anwar Sadat to put Mubarak into power!
    As the song goes, Sadat meet your replacement; Sadat meet your maker.
    Mubarak meet your replacement; and the wheel goes round and round.

  • CaptainHowdy

    CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

  • Anonymous

    Good one.

  • CaptainHowdy

    No…

  • Anonymous

    That was great, Kudos.

  • CaptainHowdy

    What I don’t understand is why on earth you think they would ever give a fuck what the people think or want?

    It’s what the corporations want that counts.

    It’s what Israel wants that counts.

  • Anonymous

    I also prefer port wine, but I put it in coffee mugs instead of the “sniffers.”

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

  • Anonymous

    ….”When you have nothing else left, you go underground and go freedom fighter”…

    “Through the Roof ‘n’ Underground”—-Gogol Bordello

    When there is trap set up for you
    In every corner of this town
    And so you learn the only way to go is underground
    When there is a trap set up for you
    In every corner of your room
    And so you learn the only way to go is through the roof

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And we crossing border after border
    We realize the difference is none
    It’s underdogs who, and if you want it
    You always have to make your own fun

    And as the upperdog leisurely sighing
    The local cultures are dying and dying
    The programmed robots are buying and buying
    Secluded freaks they are still trying, trying

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And as the boy scouts learn to read between the lines
    The silver rabbits hop between their fathers’ lies
    And boy scouts ask, “Where? Where do they go?”
    They go to the country that they only know

    Just like their meanings they lay between the lines
    Between the borders their real countries hide
    Their strategies, they advertise
    Their strategy of being is one of in-your-face disguise

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And when their own walls they will a-crumble
    And all the systems will be discumbumbled
    Around the stump of bigotry, our own
    (Серебряные зайцы водят хоровод)
    Silver rabbits dance the round dance

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof and underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground!

    (Серебряные зайцы водят хоровод)
    Silver rabbits dance the round dance

    Through the roof! And underground!
    Through the roof! Underground!

  • Anonymous

    The story is out this morning that people working for us are backing Sulieman, the terrorist, and they seem to think the deal is almost in the bag. So apparently it has turned dirty and we are installing a new president.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll support him IF our “elites” and their minions in NGO and government are renditioned to Egypt for torture — might as well get our monies worth from all the taxes and inflation they have extracted from us over the years, and now it is time for their reward!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    The oligarchs hijack all populist energy and movements if they can. See: Koch/Tea Party

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    When someone forcibly removes it for us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    They hate us for the freedoms we ‘take’. And we ‘take’ a lot of freedom in sticking our d*cks in everyone’s business.

  • Anonymous

    Knot….I am placing this link on another article with your name. Check it out:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/huge-crowds-turn-mubarak-departure-day/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    In a national move toward open government, we should stop saying the US when referring to our government and start saying the CIA and it’s assets.