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US plan: Replace Mubarak with torture-linked ‘CIA point man’

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 21:07 EDT
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A US plan to see Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak leave office immediately is reportedly in the works and would see a transitional government formed by Mubarak’s vice-president, a former head of Egypt’s spy agency and an alleged “CIA point man” who facilitated the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorism suspects.

US officials are discussing a plan with Egyptian officials that would see Mubarak quit immediately and hand over power to a transitional government run by Vice President Omar Suleiman, the New York Times reported Thursday.

Even though Mr. Mubarak has balked, so far, at leaving now, officials from both governments are continuing talks about a plan in which, Mr. Suleiman, backed by Sami Enan, chief of the Egyptian armed forces, and Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, the Defense Minister, would immediately begin a process of constitutional reform.

The proposal also calls for the transitional government to invite members from a broad range of opposition groups, including the banned Muslim Brotherhood, to begin work to open up the country’s electoral system in an effort to bring about free and fair elections in September, the officials said.

As spy chief, Suleiman reportedly embraced the CIA’s controversial “extraordinary rendition” program, in which terror suspects snatched by the Americans were taken to Egypt and other countries without legal proceedings and subjected to interrogations.

He “was the CIA’s point man in Egypt for rendition,” Jane Mayer, author of The Dark Side, wrote on the New Yorker‘s website.

After taking over as spy director, Suleiman oversaw an agreement with the United States in 1995 that allowed for suspected militants to be secretly transferred to Egypt for questioning, according to the book “Ghost Plane” by journalist Stephen Grey.

US officials told the New York Times the US plan to replace Mubarak with Suleiman is one of several under consideration, and there is no evidence yet that the Egyptian leadership will accept it.

Officials told the Times that the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters in the streets and the willingness of the military to accept it.

With an earlier report from AFP

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    “…..the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters ….”

    in other words, if we can get it by the egyptian people, we’ll just sneak in this other guy who we want. I think US is afraid of losing control of their control of the Arab world that they used to maintain through their proxy power in Egypt

    as an independent free thinking American, I find it hard to support this. but that’s just it, it’s not up to me, it’s up to the Egyptian people.

  • Anonymous

    The very Idea that we can have talks about controlling the outcome of a revolution by the people just epitomizes western philosophy. We are the rulers, and will dictate which actors will play which roles, for otherwise the narrative might be damaged, god forbid. Then who will carry out our rendition flights and torture? Maybe we should start shipping people back to Uzbekistan so Islam Karimov can boil them alive

  • ce2756

    Amazing. The US diplomatic corps must have the collective IQ of a turnip. This kind of BS is what breeds radical anti-US governments.
    Obama needs to withdraw support from Mubarak, and stay the hell out of this mess until things settle into place. Then work with the new government. We need to stop denying citizens of sovereign nations their right of self determination.
    The problem is that the US government is anti-democracy.

  • Anonymous

    I said the US will be involved.

  • Anonymous

    Here we go again folks. The US meddles in the affairs of other nations and we wonder why we’re so hated around the world. Western hypocrisy at it’s finest.

  • Ma’at

    Yeah. They hate us for our freedoms. *eye roll*

    The U.S. needs to go the way of other failed, evil empires.

  • Anonymous

    It should be clear to most everyone by this point that no matter whether Mubarak is forced out or leaves Egypt or not, his replacement will have to have the imprimatur of the two main powers in the region: the US and Great Britain. As long as Tony Blair and pushing him into the spotlight on this issue and those in the American government are calling the shots and setting up the rules of the end game for this “people’s rebellion,” the people of Egypt are going to get short shrift, if they weren’t set up by the CIA in the first place, which I think we still can’t definitively say one way or the other. We may (or may not) know soon though, when the Egyptian secret police start rounding people up, we may begin to see who they go after.

  • hourglass1

    the headline says it all – and don’t think the world isn’t paying attention.

    mubarak’s thugs are fed with your tax dollars and waiting out the protestors who are running out of flour and water. if the people back down and go home now, they will be hunted down and eliminated.

    americans, there are consequences to who and what you support. as usual, obama’s words are only a salve, a balm, for the american conscience …

  • Anonymous

    People are correct, they are trying to put their man the CIA guy into Mubaraks place so that they can continue what Mubarak can’t. The problem is that Mubarak has already halfway tried this by bringing him in as VP and the crowd don’t like it. The US is afraid of losing Egypt, because they know that if Egypt goes they lose a large vital muslim nation that was “controlled” for their benefit. Saudi Arabia has money, but they are a small populated country. And if it goes, it alone could sway alot of other countries in the muslim community. The only reason that Saudi Arabia hasn’t any demonstrations (they will when Mubarak leaves) is because the Kingdom blocks news of any and severely represses any dissent.

    This plan won’t work, not by a long shot. If this was the US it would work, but not in other societies.

  • Anonymous

    “US government is anti-democracy” imo, is and has been for a very long time… both overseas and even more so now at home…

  • Anonymous

    Well well welllll…lookie here: all us “tin foil hatters” and “conspiracy theorists” (a Zionist MSM Meme pushed to control the message over the Domestic Terrorist Attacks of 9/11/01 btw) have been telling you dipwads that State and Clinton are CIA.

    Well??????????

    Grow up, grow a brain, get angry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    I broke this story a couple days ago.

  • Anonymous

    You’re forgetting: the US has troops in Saudi Arabia to protect the royal family that is actually Jewish. Yes, it is. Research it.

    Guarantee, you will see the tactics the US military plans to use in the US when the riots come (and they surely will) in Saudi Arabia crowd-control first.

    Get angry, get ready: Cass Sunstein, are you listening boy? Your “steering” us goyim ain’t workin’ out so well for ya.

    Wait until we take D.C…….I’ll be looking high and low (underground too, you think we don’t know loser??? D.C. Native here bubba) for your ass. Your ZIONIST ass.

  • http://twitter.com/HombreFicticio Savior Self

    Americans i think you should be demanding your government to stay out of Egypts future.

  • Anonymous

    The only reason we prop them up is to buy US arms. I’m embarrassed seeing M1 Abrams tanks herding people.

  • Anonymous

    “We may (or may not) know soon though, when the Egyptian secret police start rounding people up, we may begin to see who they go after.”

    It will be a legally defined UN “Crime Against Humanity” if this happens, and the US will have been responsible for it if Sulieman gets the helm in this US sponsored “transition to power” deal.

  • Anonymous

    I’m willing to bet that unauthorized calls to Mubarack are going on. Shadow shit!

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Won’t Get Fooled Again (The Who)

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals when they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again

    The change, it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the foe, that’s all
    And the world looks just the same
    And history ain’t changed
    ‘Cause the banners, they’d all flown in the last war

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie
    Do ya?

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    There’s nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are out-phased, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now parting on the right
    And their beards have all grown longer overnight

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

  • Anonymous

    Now whose running this joint?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Good grief. Why do they always do this? From bad to worse. You CANNOT hand over power, even temporarily, to an intel asset who has participated in torture programs. This is classic hypocrisy of the worst form: you should have democracy but only of the type of which we tell you to have because oil prices may be impacted or our geopolitical positioning in the Middle East.

  • brabbelbrox

    No wonder the BBC is broadcasting staged ‘Pro-Mubarak’ interviews on the street. Romania 1989 all over again.

    Shame on the UK and the US and their allies Mr. Westerwelle from Germany, whose party would now get below 5% of ballot turnout if there were elections next week.

    Shame on you Mr. Obama, you grand master of deceivers.

    Then “suddenly” when there are Business Interests at stake like in China, Mr. Obama himself addresses Human Rights. Getting kicked out there with Mining and IT hurts. And that nasty currency.

    “Assange is a Rapists!”, “Human Rights for China!” all of the sudden, while 2.5 Million U.S. american citizen are imprisoned and 5% of them in Solitary Confinement SuperMax Prison where they slowly loose their mind. Home of the brave and God’s own country? I don’t buy it.

  • cannotvote

    This is about governments not People – WRONG! This is about People not governments! When will ‘they’ realise the obvious – I can hardly imagine that the Egyptians would go along with anything a foreign interest wants! ElBaradei – perhaps is a front runner but I think even he won’t force himself on the Citizenry, it’s their choice – the Egyptians. So please Obama, leave well alone and lets the cards fall where they may.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Good job America of building trust! Americans might have just put the Muslim brotherhood into power with that stupid stunt.
    Johnny Warbucks you called it.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that she herself did not favor Omar Suleiman for the position but ultimately the decision rested on the desk of her boss Prime Minister Netanyahu.

  • Anonymous

    Must watch, Illustrated interview with Ambassador to Uzbekistan Mr. Craig Murray. Ex-British Ambassador about Uzbek Dictatorship; boiled alive prisoners, jailed mothers, prosecuted Muslims, etc…
    PLEASE SHARE!
    VIEWERS DISCRETION ADVISED

    Part 1/3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w097rPWM7M

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Are they joking? Our leaders are frauds, thieves and malevolent also…this guy is just like Mubarek…you can’t have the spy chief or VP takeover and expect the oppression to be different. This just goes to show that US leaders like Hillary are evil too. By their reasoning, if Bush had to go, VP Cheney would be a fine replacement. Hell has a special place for Hillary, Cheney, Bush and any neoconning, neoliberal liar.

  • Taleisin

    When is the US not involved?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Because our leaders are just plain evil and hiding behind religion or institutional legitimacy. The all attend Bilderburger and Bohemian Grove…at Bohemian Grove they worship Lucifer who they call the Bringer of Light. If people saw they would all be hanging from lamp posts.

  • Taleisin

    So the US government wants to change a dictator for someone probably worse.
    Good call. Maybe we can invade them later as we did Iraq.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Obama fooled a lot of idiots in the moderate middle where people stand for nothing. Kucinich wasn’t pretty enough for them…dumbassses!

  • Anonymous

    New boss same as the old boss.

  • Anonymous

    Who did you expect? Gandhi??

    Obushbama has to send his rendition cases somewhere to be tortured and since
    Egypt has been doing such a great job all along, why screw up a good thing?

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha. Maybe the “Bangles”:

    “Walk Like An Egyptian”

    All the old paintings on the tomb
    They do the sand dance doncha know
    If they move too quick (oh whey oh)
    They’re falling down like a domino

    And the bazaar man by the Nile
    He got the money on a bet
    All the crocodiles (oh whey oh)
    They snap their teeth on your cigarette

    Foreign types with the hookah pipes say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian

    The blonde waitresses take their trays
    They spin around and they cross the floor
    They’ve got the moves (oh whey oh)
    You drop your drink then they bring you more

    All the school kids so sick of books
    They like the punk and the metal band
    When the buzzer rings (oh whey oh)
    They’re walking like an Egyptian

    All the kids in the marketplace say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian

    Slide feet up street bend your back
    Shift your arm then you pull it back
    Life['s] hard you know (oh whey oh)
    So strike a pose on a Cadillac

    If you want to find all the cops
    They’re hanging out in the donut shop
    They sing and dance (oh whey oh)
    They spin the club, cruise down the block

    All the Japanese with their yen
    The party boys call the Kremlin
    And the Chinese know (oh whey oh)
    They walk the line like Egyptian

    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian
    Walk like an Egyptian

  • Anonymous

    Dictators are traded like US baseball players or the NBA.

  • Anonymous

    Now the deal starts to turn dirty. There had to be a monkey wrench in it. I suspect that civilian government in the United States is not in control of this, that it is a CIA call. May the people of Egypt have the strength to resist. I think we may find that the thugs trying to beat the demonstrators turn out to be an embarrassment to us. The terrorist thug in charge of security hired them, our choice to run the country. Who paid them? Was it you?

  • Anonymous

    I have three words that come from Saul Alinsky: “Organize, organize, organize.”

    Then, you may have your socialist candidate.

  • Anonymous

    This is just another example of the U.S. using the illusion of “democracy” as a foil for its undemocratic agenda.

    “…the plan’s success would depend on a number of factors, including the mood of protesters in the streets and the willingness of the military to accept it.”

    Yeah, right! After the military “clears the streets”, the mood of the protesters will be a mute issue. That’s probably why they are rounding up all the foreign reporters today – to clear the streets without anyone watching. It will all depend on the ability of the anti-government protesters to systematically organize their protest which, to date, has been lacking. If they don’t, it’s all over and it will be more of the same, or worse, for Egypt for the foreseeable future.

    The last time the U.S. tried this “democratic election” gambit, Hamas ended up winning in a landslide. I don’t think that the Muslim Brotherhood can run overtly and win, but they are well embedded in the military and all other Egyptian institutions and will, undoubtedly emerge stronger.

  • Comrade

    “Obushbama.” lol nice. RS readers seem to specialize in hilarious and awkward portmanteaux.

  • Anonymous

    More torturers. Isn’t that nice?

    We used to have honor.

  • Anonymous

    I don”t know what to make of this from a Washington Post story on the supposed irrelevance of the US in the current Middle East. As usual I am a little skeptical of the source and his placement in a newspaper story from a generally government sourced newspaper. But I think that this could raise new questions about the claims of a democracy movement. Could it be that the United States no longer even means democracy in the Middle East? Or is this person merely another American toay who would rather not be associated with his handlers in the Us State Department?

    “Middle East activists say they avoid references to the United States as a political role model for fear of alienating potential supporters, said Toufan Faisal, a veteran democracy campaigner in Jordan who has been advising young protesters in the Jordanian capital, Amman.

    “I don’t think America appeals to the younger generation,” she said. “I’m cautious not to present them with the American example because there’s a negative attitude to America, a disappointment.” ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020306882.html?nav=rss_email/components&at=u%3DPrakosh%26t%3D1296793678%26e%3DPrakosh%40netscape.net%26h%3DmNtxMgPhhfFwPoq9StUvKg%3D%3D

  • Knot

    Awesome motivational from elsewhere.
    http://imgur.com/TCNOH

  • Anonymous

    If the activity I am describing is defined as a “crime against humanity” i will be convinced that the United States was not involved. Look at all the innocent civilians the United States has killed in the last 8 years in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan; look at all the thousands of innocent people our armed forces have rounded up, jailed indefinitely and tortured, some to death, and we nor any of our allies in these endeavors have ever been charged with crimes against humanity yet. So if such charges emerge I would know we weren’t involved.

    We are after all still, in Phil Ochs’ immortal words: “The Cops of The World”!

  • MarkCyst

    We used to say we used to have no honor like what we used to, but I think enough time has passed (and there is also enough to know about the past) to say that we never really had any honor at all. If you don’t agree, fine, but at least some of us know the truth, the more you really know about our history, the more you know it was not so kind and rarely peaceful… When I think about it, the word ‘honor’ does not immediately come to mind, now if you were to include “dis” to conjoin the two, I would be inclined to agree.

    Thankfully, that doesn’t mean we still can’t be critical of how we are today, surely, it’s the mistakes of the past, which we’ve largely chosen to ignore but should have learned from instead, alas, if that were the case, perhaps we’d learn to stop making the same mistakes now and hopefully again in the future…

  • Guest

    Hard to argue against on the job training.

  • Anonymous

    Why do we continue to support terrorists and dictators worldwide? I mean, does Obama really think the Egyptian people want ANOTHER dictator to take the place of the present one? I just don’t understand…

  • Anonymous

    The repubs should rejoice in this good news. Bush is probably thinking that following his
    lead will breed success. Just as long as the Egyptian govt doesn’t go after its war criminals
    like here.

  • Anonymous

    Froy your lips to God’s ears Mick.

  • hourglass1

    exactly!

    they should be smoking it!

  • hourglass1

    when was that? before the monroe doctrine?

    sad isn’t davisss13? i think we used to ‘believe’ we had honor is more accurate. there isn’t even any pretense anymore – except in speeches designed for the white house steno pool and to keep us obedient.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Habib was interrogated by the country’s Intelligence Director, General Omar Suleiman…. Suleiman took a personal interest in anyone suspected of links with Al Qaeda. As Habib had visited Afghanistan shortly before 9/11, he was under suspicion. Habib was repeatedly zapped with high-voltage electricity, immersed in water up to his nostrils, beaten, his fingers were broken and he was hung from metal hooks.
    To loosen Habib’s tongue, Suleiman ordered a guard to murder a gruesomely shackled Turkistan prisoner in front of Habib – and he did, with a vicious karate kick.

    …what’s not statesmanlike about that?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KORPQY5FRLCYZ6NPPDCEXUYQPI Rupert Murdoch

    A transitional government. That’s what Elbaradei is there to provide. Mubarak would never accept that. So some other, neutral figure has to be found. Will Mubarak agree to that?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Hear me now and forget me later…With what Suleiman knows firsthand about the American torture program, the US will protect him and promote him to the top job and keep him there for the rest of his life, and it will be a more bipartisan effort than the engineered demise of ACORN.

  • Anonymous

    Gosh, it would be like our “transition” from Bush to Obama.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Same old same old……To be honest I am getting tired at urinating on the US and the UK, nothing surprises me, I think we probably deserve this Islamic radicalism madness, we have behaved like pigs for centuries, no wonder these people despise us and want us dead.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Muslim brotherhood or not, its more about radicalization after a crackdown. When you have nothing else left, you go underground and go freedom fighter. And we all now what ‘one man’s freedom fighter’ is. For better or for worse, this event is a game-changer and there is little that could have changed that given the current conditions and the country’s unfortunate history. It’s come to a tipping point (apologize for the cliche).

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Lets hope not. I tend to think not. From what I have been reading, this crowd routinely comes out in force to terrorize urban neighborhoods (where the liberals typically live) during polling in MuBarack’s infrequent pseudo-democratic mock-lections.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “portmanteaux”…I like that.
    Y’all ain’t from these here parts, is ya? (sound of flipping pages, looking up “portmanteaux”)

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Suleiman is just another pawn in the US’ quest for a world Empire. This is exactly what they wanted…

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Saw this slideshow today at FP: America’s Other Most Embarrassing Allies
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/31/americas_other_most_embarrassing_allies

    There are several other who are arguably even worse than MuBarack, as difficult as this might be to imagine this week.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    For real? This is Bibi’s first pick?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    No surprise their. look how much of a myth they have made of Bin Laden. The world’s only living martyr.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    He saw a flying saucer and his wife is too tall.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    A majority of the $1.something billion gets kicked back to US arks mfgs. A game as old as dust.
    Read John Perkins ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’? It’s all there.

  • Anonymous

    did you read where suleiman wasn’t “sqeaumish..” about his role in all the renditions and torture?
    now, that’s our kind of man in cairo!!

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    With the added benefit of shutting Sulieman up for the long term. He did the US bidding in the glow-bull warunterra. Egypt is central to the US covert rendition and torture by proxy program. Obama has to keep him quiet and happy if he wants to continue to look forward and not back. President for life and untold wealth oughta do it.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin and the Delaware Witch would say he’s manned up.

  • Anonymous

    sounds like our kind on man in cairo!!

    again, in that new yorker article
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/01/who-is-omar-suleiman.html

    Edward S. Walker, Jr., a former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, described Suleiman as “very bright, very realistic,” adding that he was cognizant that there was a downside to “some of the negative things that the Egyptians engaged in, of torture and so on. But he was not squeamish, by the way.”

    not squeamish!, that’s our kind of man in Cairo…. and the new middle east the US has been furiously trying to play catch up with as their dictators fall one by one (three weeks and one dictator gone, another one with a foot out of the door, and at least one more for sure wobbling. and two or three more at least waiting in the wings….)

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    I heard something foreboding on CNN.
    One of the correspondents is reporting that several trucks loaded with teams of black body armor-clad troops are rolling in during the evening. These will most likely be interior ministry crowd-control shock troops. Tomorrow is going to be pretty bad, methinks. I don’t guess I’ll be sleeping that well tonight.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Smooth transition that. Soooo smooth.

  • Anonymous

    Our government does not respond to our demands.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    No.Scott Horton has a post up today that explains why he believes Hosni has no intention of going anywhere, not now or in September.
    Gimme Shelter http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/02/gimme_shelter

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    This would be par for the course when you consider how Obama promoted Stanley McChrystal.

  • http://twitter.com/PitchforkTorchz Canadian Patriot

    The United Snakes of Torture.
    Did you expect anything else ?

  • Anonymous

    That’s probably why he wants all the foreign correspondents gone. But I’ve never heard of a regime that targets foreign journalists coming off as winners. Already the pro Mubarak mob is losing the PR battle.

  • http://twitter.com/PitchforkTorchz Canadian Patriot

    “Great job with all the torture you did for us over the years,
    How would you like to be the next President of Egypt ? ” ~ White House

    and they hate us for our freedoms.

  • DriveBy

    This is nothing new as far as the US is concerned, is it? I mean, this is what we do…. This is what we are: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html

  • Anonymous

    Tony Blair isn’t the PM of the U.K, since him there has been Gordon Brown and the current PM is David Cameron.

  • Anonymous

    Will we ever get our head out of our ass?

  • Anonymous

    I get bitter watching Star Trek the Next Generation. We used to think of ourselves as a country that advanced civilization and was above torture, and that we’d go to space one day and make the whole universe better.

    Sure the US has been doing this nonsense since long before day 1 (if one reads Howard Zinn one knows this) but even into the ’90s we still had a sweet naivety about ourselves as somehow a force for good. Now we’re just a great darkness in the world, full of ego and ignorance and adolescent vengeful rage. Power is as power does, I guess.

    Maybe once China surpasses us we can go back to barracks and turn into a decent if somewhat antique democracy.

    For now though, with the Suleiman maneuver, we’re just something out of Costa-Gravas’ worst nightmares.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    GREAT HEADLINE RAWSTORY!

    this is why I love you!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    by the way, heard on Al-Jazeera today that according to Egyptian law (such as it is) the speaker of the parliament is next in line for the Presidency, not the vice-President

  • Anonymous

    Amazing! Someone’s actually trying to figure the mood of the protestors on the streets into the equation? Have they learned nothing at all from the example of the U$, that paradigm of democracy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Are we supposed to be surprised by this?

    The has always replaced the pawns with other torturers.

  • Sc00ter5111

    I am truly ashamed to be an American.
    We were NEVER “the good guys”.
    We started with the genocide of the native American population long before the Declaration of Independence was drafted.
    “Total War” is POLICY. “pacification” (a euphemism used in the Viet Nam war years) is the killing of every inhabitant of the target population. Even the livestock was considered “communist”. Pregnant women were gutted like game animals and heads of the the unborn were smashed under the jack boots of our “brave troops”.
    Our “brave troops” (I am a veteran) murdered over 4.5 million Viet-Namese.
    Estimates vary widely about the count of innocent victims in the latest blood bath from 2 million to 12 million because we don’t do “body counts” any more. While our own losses exceed 70,000. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/06/iraqafghanistan-.html
    http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/03/21/02286.html
    The US mainstream media is under CIA/MOSSAD control AKA “Mockingbird”, so very little of what they have to say is credible.
    If you want the truth: go elsewhere.
    The fascist israeli euphemism for “settlements” is ETHNIC CLEANSING by way of murder, torture, terrorism, rape, pedophilia and harvesting the internal organs of Palestinian children they murder on an hourly schedule.

    Mubarak’s thug cronie ; Obamas choice for obvious reason will be even more brutal to freedom seeking Egyptians than his predecessor, who more than likely (with fascist MOSSAD direction) was behind the assassination of Anwar Sadat.

    As israels whore and Dominionist puppet http://revcom.us/a/033/dominionism-be-very-afraid.htm Obama is INTENTIONALLY THE WORST and most evil thug that ever held the office. If you click on any of the supplied links: the one in this paragraph is a MUST SEE. What you don’t know can really hurt you.

    When it comes to what this empire, the UK and the fascist theocracy of israel are capable of defies accurate description. Believe the worst imaginable outcome and you still have probably not imagined all. If we don’t take our country back from him his ilk and the likes of the Clintons, McCains Bernakes, Bushs, all holding israeli citizenship and Sarah Palins soon: there will be nothing left to recover.

    http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/us_war_crimes/Eisenhowers_death_camps.htm

    http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/06/uss-liberty-flubbed-up-false-flag.html

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/history-of-false-flag-attack-operation-northwood-and-the-uss-liberty/

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

    http://www.christusrex.org/www1/news/war-crimes-index.html

    http://antiisgood.wordpress.com/must-readsee-about-israel/

  • Anonymous

    Hey,why not a CIA puppet. In 2008, the AMerican people took to the polls with hope for change, and we elected a CIA puppet. What’s to worry?

  • http://voxxrocks.com/blog/ HIStory Indeed

    Same shit different dictator.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Suleiman sounds like CNN’s kind of guy. Maybe Dandy Andy Cooper can get an interview, and not have to run for his life. Mmbwaaahahahaha.

  • Anonymous

    America needs to keep their rotten paws off this situation in Egypt.

  • Anonymous

    C’mon, folks. THe USA has pumped so much money into the country, this is not exactly headline news material. Its a no-brainer that the US will want to put one of its shills into power. But of course, the Egyptian people will never go for a pro-western leader. Unless ofcourse we starve them out, by letting the food prices get to a point where every man, woman and child is on their knees begging for a western dictator to bring in the affordable living conditions.

  • Anonymous

    …..or the zionists, who have been expecting this for sometime and most likely have a diabolical card up their sleeve.

  • Sc00ter5111

    Fascist Israeli spy arrested amid Egypt unrest http://abna.ir/data.asp?s=y&lang=3&id=224181
    Any questions about who else is meddling there besides the fascist theocracy and the US stooges?
    Human rights and “democracy” terrify the fascist theocracy in Jerusalem, an occupied city, which is currently undergoing some serious ETHNIC CLEANSING.
    Egypt would be best served by an anti-American/anti-israeli democracy. Under the status quo: the Egyptian people are pawns and cattle for Nazi Zionist and US corporate exploitation.
    Israel is a “friend” or “ally” of NO ONE but those seeking to be raped and exploited. They will even kill your young for the huge profits in illegal organ harvesting, as proven, from Kosovo to Haiti and the GAZA DEATH CAMP. http://abna.ir/data.asp?s=y&lang=3&id=224181

  • Anonymous

    When there is nothing to be gained.

  • Anonymous

    Egypts biggest problem,

    “Location, location, location.!”

  • Anonymous

    “The Egyptian people will never go for a pro-western leader” – I hope you’re right about this but all indications are we’re looking at an about-to-be hijacked revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Making over the world in their own image. WE are in deeper trouble than I thought.

  • Anonymous

    Fail

  • Taleisin

    lol

  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    The US plans to replace Mubarak…………………The “US” plans to replace………The “US”…..
    Do you get it now folks?
    This is Imperialism in your face.
    It’s always under the guise of “US” interest and National Security.
    Our Government has become a Tyranny, operating under a mode of deception.
    They do not believe in self rule, rule by and for the people.
    It is the same right here in our own backyard.
    Leaders are selected and not elected throughout the world at the behest of the Empire, the Oligarchy does not care about Liberty, Dignity, and Justice.
    It is fueled by it’s thirst for blood, mayhem, greed and power.
    America has become the new Fascist State, only dressed with it’s Sunday Best and a Face Lift to make it appear more enticing.

  • Anonymous

    US plan: Replace Mubarak with torture-linked ‘CIA point man’
    I thought the ‘people’ were to speak…
    You know if, as reported, the US supported opposition groups in this revolution
    Then what is the chances the US supported and AIDED those that killed
    Anwar Sadat to put Mubarak into power!
    As the song goes, Sadat meet your replacement; Sadat meet your maker.
    Mubarak meet your replacement; and the wheel goes round and round.

  • CaptainHowdy

    CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

  • Anonymous

    Good one.

  • CaptainHowdy

    No…

  • Anonymous

    That was great, Kudos.

  • CaptainHowdy

    What I don’t understand is why on earth you think they would ever give a fuck what the people think or want?

    It’s what the corporations want that counts.

    It’s what Israel wants that counts.

  • Anonymous

    I also prefer port wine, but I put it in coffee mugs instead of the “sniffers.”

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

  • Anonymous

    ….”When you have nothing else left, you go underground and go freedom fighter”…

    “Through the Roof ‘n’ Underground”—-Gogol Bordello

    When there is trap set up for you
    In every corner of this town
    And so you learn the only way to go is underground
    When there is a trap set up for you
    In every corner of your room
    And so you learn the only way to go is through the roof

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And we crossing border after border
    We realize the difference is none
    It’s underdogs who, and if you want it
    You always have to make your own fun

    And as the upperdog leisurely sighing
    The local cultures are dying and dying
    The programmed robots are buying and buying
    Secluded freaks they are still trying, trying

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And as the boy scouts learn to read between the lines
    The silver rabbits hop between their fathers’ lies
    And boy scouts ask, “Where? Where do they go?”
    They go to the country that they only know

    Just like their meanings they lay between the lines
    Between the borders their real countries hide
    Their strategies, they advertise
    Their strategy of being is one of in-your-face disguise

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground

    And when their own walls they will a-crumble
    And all the systems will be discumbumbled
    Around the stump of bigotry, our own
    (Серебряные зайцы водят хоровод)
    Silver rabbits dance the round dance

    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof and underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground
    Ohoh, through the roof, underground!

    (Серебряные зайцы водят хоровод)
    Silver rabbits dance the round dance

    Through the roof! And underground!
    Through the roof! Underground!

  • Anonymous

    The story is out this morning that people working for us are backing Sulieman, the terrorist, and they seem to think the deal is almost in the bag. So apparently it has turned dirty and we are installing a new president.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll support him IF our “elites” and their minions in NGO and government are renditioned to Egypt for torture — might as well get our monies worth from all the taxes and inflation they have extracted from us over the years, and now it is time for their reward!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    The oligarchs hijack all populist energy and movements if they can. See: Koch/Tea Party

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    When someone forcibly removes it for us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    They hate us for the freedoms we ‘take’. And we ‘take’ a lot of freedom in sticking our d*cks in everyone’s business.

  • Anonymous

    Knot….I am placing this link on another article with your name. Check it out:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/huge-crowds-turn-mubarak-departure-day/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    In a national move toward open government, we should stop saying the US when referring to our government and start saying the CIA and it’s assets.

  • AnzaSummer

    With they way things have been going in the Obama administration, I’m surprised he’s not wildly popular with the far right.

  • AnzaSummer

    I thought that along with dooming net neutrality, the U.S. government has installed an internet “kill switch”.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Attacks on the Press 2009: Iran

    (…) Authorities clamped down on foreign media coverage, jamming the BBC’s Persian television and radio service and the U.S. government-funded Radio Farda, and shutting the Tehran bureau of Dubai-based, pan-Arab Al-Arabiya television indefinitely after accusing the station of bias.
    Foreign journalists were ordered not to cover the protests or any “news events” not announced by the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance. Several journalists working for foreign media were detained and their tapes, equipment, and other work products were confiscated.
    Press cards were declared invalid, and Iranian authorities rejected requests by foreign journalists to extend their one-week visas.
    Foreign journalists who had been invited by the government to cover the elections left the country as their visas expired, or were expelled even before this could happen.
    http://www.cpj.org/2010/02/attacks-on-the-press-2009-iran.php

  • Anonymous

    I think I heard he also fired that missile into the Pentagon.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    This is what the NYT reports today. It looks pretty much like a done deal to me:

    “White House and Egypt Discuss Plan for Mubarak’s Exit

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/middleeast/04diplomacy.html

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately and turn over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.

    […]

    They cautioned that the outcome depended on several factors, not least Egypt’s own constitutional protocols and the mood of the protesters on the streets of Cairo and other Egyptian cities.

    [...]

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Here’s another goodie from The Guardian blog the day of the attacks. Very tail-telling:

    “11.41am:Around 2,000 people have gathered for a new demonstration on the sea front in Alexandria, Harriet Sherwood reports. The Muslim Brotherhood are involved in the demonstration, but it is mixed crowd, she says.

    It is pretty tense. Every time I tried to speak to someone I was surrounded by a crowd asked if I was a spy for a spy on behalf of America or Israel. We had to make a fairly hasty exit. So it is not a pleasant atmosphere, but we haven’t seen violence on the scale of Cairo.

    People are shocked by what has been happening in Cairo.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/feb/03/egypt-protests-live-updates

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J2BKVG44GLNRGIAYKD7UO4O27E Arthur Young

    It floors me that our elites have time for keeping a tight lid on the American people, raid our coffers, impose almost any type of affront at us without us blinking an eye, and they still have time to pick team players for their real life game of “Risk”. It makes me happy when I see one of the rare National Strikes overseas and the same for the ME Protests, I am only sorry that it takes violence and being beaten to a bloody pulp to get the attention that decent people deserve. Mubarak should pack Suleiman in a suitcase and hurry to catch their flight before it leaves.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The Egyptian Constitution is probably sitting right next to the US Constitution on the toilet paper shelf at Wal Mart.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Maybe once China surpasses us we can go back to barracks and turn into a decent if somewhat antique democracy.

    It will never happen kid. The US was founded on the genocide of millions of Natives and the massive theft of their homeland. Somehow, that became the model for everything else the US has done. This is a warrior society, full of violence and hatred and that will never change.

    You read Zinn so, if you aren’t already, you should also read Chalmers Johnson, Johan Galtung & Chris Hedges. No one explains the future of the US better than they do.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yes. When the Empire falls. Landing on the ass will cause the head to pop out.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    And then proceeded to fuck him when his usefulness to the MIC ran out.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    This is from The Guardian blog on 2/2/11. It’s a blueprint for what these bastards are doing:

    “12.01am GMT:CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news… One last entry – a very depressing piece of analysis by Robert Springborg in Foreign Policy, who argues the upshot will be “back to business as usual with a repressive, US-backed military regime”:

    While much of American media has termed the events unfolding in Egypt today as “clashes between pro-government and opposition groups,” this is not in fact what’s happening on the street. The so-called “pro-government” forces are actually Mubarak’s cleverly orchestrated goon squads dressed up as pro-Mubarak demonstrators to attack the protesters in Midan Tahrir, with the Army appearing to be a neutral force. The opposition, largely cognizant of the dirty game being played against it, nevertheless has had little choice but to call for protection against the regime’s thugs by the regime itself, ie, the military. And so Mubarak begins to show us just how clever and experienced he truly is. The game is, thus, more or less over.

    The threat to the military’s control of the Egyptian political system is passing. Millions of demonstrators in the street have not broken the chain of command over which President Mubarak presides. Paradoxically the popular uprising has even ensured that the presidential succession will not only be engineered by the military, but that an officer will succeed Mubarak. The only possible civilian candidate, Gamal Mubarak, has been chased into exile, thereby clearing the path for the new vice president, Gen. Omar Suleiman.”

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not to worry, doll. The Inquisition is making a very strong come back. This time, it is the Amerikan Inquisition. They’ll take care of all of them (and us). We’re in good hands, indeed.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You realize that he could also be an Al Qaeda spook running the CIA lies.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    When was that? Before the Mayflower?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The strength of the good people of Egypt makes no difference. They are every bit as irrelevant as the people of the US. All of these deals are being worked behind their backs. What they want is irrelevant.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Read The Guardian blogs. They do up to the minute live updates. The story is all in there. Everything you need to know, all first-hand witness accounts. And yes, it’s a done deal. They’ve been sold down the river. Once again, the United States of Israel wins the round.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Hillarious but accurate nonetheless.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Obama is every bit as clueless as Mubarak. And they are both representative of the ruling elites worldwide. Seen one, seen them all.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Please understand that there is a much underlying irony here. The people are rebelling against a US-backed dictator. They want him to go, they want to decide their future without foreign (US) intervention. And along comes the US and hand-pick another dictatorship which is the same – if not worse – as the one before. Truly unreal!

  • D.Crockett

    Im not sure the U.S. should be planning anything at this point in time. Let the people decide what direction and what leader they want. Here we go again trying to butt in to protect our interests.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. They’re all using the same tactics all over the world. Further proof of a globalized ruling elite that see us all as a disposable nuisance.

  • Anonymous

    The US government is vile, and I’m desperately waiting for a journalist to ask Obama what is wrong with him and where did it all go wrong. It’s beyond galling to hear Mullen and many other a-holes in the US government think that they are going to put in another strongman, or even potentially invade as Mullen implied, not only because it simply exposes their criminality but moreso because it shows that the US and Hillary’s international community don’t really support democracy and that goes double for here in America.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Egypt is not a “Muslim nation” – In fact, Egypt is not even technically an Arab nation. In fact, they’re referred to as “reluctant Arabs”

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JBIAEYKRLQ3I574QNVSWBNNKVI M

    Some Americans will approve of this. Others will be ignorant about it. But you can be sure the rest of the world will see what is going on, including the protestors. Bad move all around by an aristocracy that doesn’t see what is coming.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    That’s only the secondary reason. The primary reason is so that they play nice with poor, little Israel. They’re so lonely and afraid in the Middle East, surrounded by big, scary, mean, bully Arabs that don’t like to be bombed by them.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that the decent Americans (I surmise in the vicinity of 50 million adults) want to give back America to the Natives with the hope that they let will let at least some us remain if we promise to tend their garden.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    More like a living fossil by now.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Without thinking much, two jump out at me: Karsai and Al Maliki. ROFL!

  • Anonymous

    That’s why I’ve been waiting for al-Jazeera or some informed commentator to mention that regimes have but one playbook. Every collapsing regime, as we will see in America soon, follows the same downfall: at first deny, then obfuscate and then abscond with a healthy dose of violence, all of which is denied, and the regime hopes to either wait them out and divide the resistance or flee with as much loot as possible. It’s always the same because regimes have no other cards. We will hear and see the same in America when we have suffered enough.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t hate us; they hate our government and our policies, which goes for me too.

  • shinyorbs

    how would we like it if another country hand picked our leaders? oh wait, with CU that’s coming isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    I truly don’t believe the Egyptian people will fall for it or go for it. I’ve been watching for these past 10 days and whenever I hear one of the protestors I’ve never heard any wavering about what they want, which is an end to the entire regime and not another regime–that is their floor not their ceiling. Moreover, I’m incredibly impressed at their humanity, intelligence and courage, 3 things I cannot say about America by a longshot.

  • shinyorbs

    bite me douche bag

  • Anonymous

    Your consciously or not expose the level of brainwashing–there is no Islamic radicalism madness and if there were then it would only be the natural consequence of the modern nation-state. That’s what drives me nuts: the Muslim brotherhood, or whatever Islamic group one cares to slur, is only a direct manifestation of the nation-state’s policies. There are people way more knowledgeable on this subject than me, but it’s an undeniable fact. Our societies produce these types of radical groups, and I know people don’t like to hear it, but Jared Loughner is the direct end-result of American society. Unlike the defeated senatorial candidate from Delaware, Jared Loughner is us, and you will never hear that mentioned on American media even though it’s indisputable. I’ve also wondered, or noticed, why America has already forgotten about the attempted assassination of a political figure (probably because she’s a Democrat), but in history, assassinations and attempted assassinations of political figures are usually pretty big deals, but in America, it’s just something else to be swept under the rug.

  • Anonymous

    Well, let’s see: money, power, fame, sex. What don’t you understand?

  • Anonymous

    Where do I claim that Tony Blair is the prime minister of Great Britain. I wrote “As long as Tony Blair and [those] pushing him into the spotlight on this issue” I left out the word “those” in brackets meaning those in the British government for whom is he is now speaking when he says that Mubarak should stay, I nowhere said he was the prime minister only that he was stating what is official British government policy regarding Mubarak and the situation in Egypt .

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    i think it was a little before that… like just before we thought it was a good idea to have slaves. Hmmmm…. now when would that be…. exactly. And when I say “we” I mean the human race. Damn we are tough on us.

  • hegesias

    shawker

  • Anonymous

    THIS WOULD NOT BE A GOOD IDEA….PEOPLENEED TO ELECT THEIR OWN PRES AND HAVE THAT ELBARDEI GUY RUNT THINGS UNTIL THE ELECTION, SAY, IN A MONTH OR TWO…THIS WOULD BE THE IDEAL SITUATION…WE NEED TO GET THAT SOB OUT OF THEIR (MURBARAK) AND THEN LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJMNZL5KJFX2H5CKWK2S75HU7I Kevin

    Well if this turns out to be true, I would question whether it wasn’t already controlled in the first place.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJMNZL5KJFX2H5CKWK2S75HU7I Kevin

    Well at least here we get to elect our dictators every election cycle.

  • Anonymous

    Whats the old saying??? Oh yes, the devil you don’t know can be worse than the devil you know. How did the US ever deserve the a reputation as a beacon of Democracy? Please explain how that relates to historical facts.

    We seem to always be on the wrong side of history.

    Somoza
    Marcos
    Noriega
    Pinochet
    The Shah
    The list is, sadly, endless, but please feel free to add to it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Hear, hear, brother! I hope you are right. I tend to let pessimism carry me away but that is because I’ve seen and been thru an awful lot of evil including the very thing that I fear for the Egyptians happening in my own country. I know how smart and determined they are and have to trust that they know what to do and what is best for them. The stand off cannot go on forever and Mubarak is proving to be more of a psychopath every day.

    I’m with you: they are kind, humane, intelligent and courageous beyond believe. They are an inspiration which is why I was so afraid for them when violence was unleashed upon them. That was very difficult to deal with. I have been interacting with the Arab community (from every country) for decades and find them to be much like my own people (or at least the way we used to be). They are also very caring, hospitable, giving and ever so respectful and proud. They are very, very special people indeed. Amerikans cannot enter the realm of this conversation.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I have to disagree with you on this one, Jimbo. I have been in country, living among your people for several decades now. In that amount of time, I met a lot of people but only a handful of what you call “decent Americans” – My hopes for your kind are shattered.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Don’t lump the Natives in that “we” – slavery wasn’t their idea. In fact, they ended up being slaves themselves.

  • Anonymous

    They would like to.

  • Anonymous

    the game is finally up… but theyre still playing.

  • Dravazed

    Mubarak Obama.

    Tyranny, torture, and terror.

  • Anonymous

    what is wrong with our leaders? what happens to them when they get into power that cuts them off from the minds of the common people. im starting to wonder if there isnt some credence in the conspiracy theories.. are aliens taking over their minds? if so the aliens are either clueless or REALLY REALLY in deep on this little world game. maybe the Illuminati requires lobotomies?

    we have mubarak acting oblivious to the spotlight he is standing in, apparently doing his regular business of sending in the thugs to scare away the rabble.. denying he has anything to do with it.. and we are all watching him.. and we are not fooled at all.

    then we have israel telling us that this man mubarak is what egypt needs, and that the US shouldn’t try and kick him out.. supposed free and democratic nations.. standing behind OBVIOUS brutal dictatorships? what universe do they think we are in that we cant understand what they are saying?

    old tony blair follows the beat of that drum like a puppet on a string…

    obama is not much better. and everyone is trying to play this game.. but none of us are fooled now… its the freaking wizard of oz.. but we’ve already pulled back the curtain… and the stupid man just keeps pulling levers and trying to scare us with his fancy light show… does he think if he ignores us we wont be able to see him??

    and the media!! my god the media… Al Jazeera is like a clarion call…a ray of light piercing a dark sky… and the rest… what are they? i keep noticing, in horror, as outlets i thought i could trust refuse to acknowledge the truth… they are pro-freedom, anti-corruption.. NOT ANTI GOVERNMENT… they are hired thugs and plain clothes police NOT PRO MUBARAK… its a simple thing, word choice.. but it matters so very very much… and Muslim brotherhood this and that… religion this and that… all lies and deception… its no wonder they have painted Al Jazeera in such bad light for so long… the truth is a very powerful thing.

    im not falling for any of this crap any more… and i dont think im alone.

    i really feel like laughing every time i read any new development in this… but its really not funny… its becoming painful.

  • morty62

    This is typical realpolitik and it has been going on forever and not just with us. I find it amusing that words like “fascist” are thrown around when in fact there is nothing resembling true fascism in the United States. You cheapen the meaning of the word by using it indiscriminately. It’s true we are a law-and-order country but I’ve never known anyone here who had to speak in whispers at the risk of being disappeared. George Bush pulled some sketchy stuff with his “free speech zones,” I’ll admit, and I’m no fan of the “Patriot Act.” But to make the jump from this to fascism is a big leap. Actually, if you want to talk about the transcendental perfection of democracy you might keep in mind that over 17 million Germans voted for Hitler, giving him a majority

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Okay, you lost me in the turn… didn’t we make slaves of ourselves? Or was it the annauki that did it? ;-)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yes, you did make slaves out of yourselves. But leave the Natives out. They’re not part of you (that ‘we’ you used). Get it? And slavery, yours or the Africans, wasn’t their idea but yours.

  • Anonymous

    Most people want to be fooled; most people who aren’t directly affected don’t care about the truth. So ObamaCo/Mubarak/MSM lies will get over.
    The line on the German public’s knowledge about atrocities and the Holocaust during WW2 is, “most knew enough to know they didn’t want to know more.” You can say the same about Americans and the US torture gulag, the official and fake 9/11 cover story, etc. Care about Egypt? Not so much.

  • Anonymous

    1. Who the hell is the US to control the government of Egypt?
    2. Replacing a corrupt malefactor with his or her corrupt co-conspirator is exactly how US presidential elections are done too. The US presidential nomination/election process is as manipulated as that of Egypt.
    3. The US government/shadow government’s growing fascism will eventually end badly for it, and likely for a lot of other Americans as well.

  • Anonymous

    which is exactly why i need to leave this country… or at least… the middle of it.

  • Anonymous

    From Merriam-Webster:
    Fascism: 1: often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality
    We're well into the second definition and heading toward the first, particularly if you include religion in the organizing principles of fascism.
    And you're completely wrong: Hitler never won a majority of the German vote; he forced his way into power using, among other methods, gangs of his thugs to create chaos and crimes in the streets.

  • Anonymous

    BS. The Egyptian people may never go for a US puppet, but there’s no reason they don’t want to be oriented to the West/developed world.
    And the US has only pumped money into the Egyptian government and oligarchy, not the country.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Yeeeeeeea…. no. I’m talking a few thousand years earlier. Before the “white man” walked the earth. As much as you may not want to admit it… you are one of “us”…. native… black… whatever… we are all related. Check the gene pool.

  • Anonymous

    I couldn’t agree more with what you have said. It’s like the opinion leader’s and powers of the world while pontificating about the importance of freedom of speech, rights of assembly, due process of the law, democracy are doing just the opposite. Either their minds are possessed by aliens, as you say, or they’re just plumb crazy. They don’t see the handwriting on the wall.

  • Anonymous

    It will not be long before this arrogant military-industrial complex run government ,will be pushed off their high horses.
    It has happened in the past to every nation once they were arrogant , abusive and forgot just who they were.
    It just depends on how much time it will take or how far Americans can be pushed , in order for them to reach the boiling point in which the citizens of Egypt are today.

  • Anonymous

    “what is wrong with our leaders? what happens to them when they get into power that cuts them off from the minds of the common people”

    Only they want to get re-elected no matter what, and for that objective just play politic over Principles.,,,And the Empire Economic floating regarless how many people abroad may suffer.

    Superbowl Sunday and the show goes on…

  • morty62

    Hitler outlawed the communist and socialist parties but he did win a little over 50% of the vote. The point I’m making is that democracy doesn’t always guarantee a good result. Plus, there’s the question of fair elections, voter intimidation etc … Hopefully, this won’t happen in Egypt, if in fact they get their election. My point is that we could get a leader there hostile to the U.S. and hostile to Israel, which could undermine stability in the region. Given that it is the reservoir of much of the world’s oil ,this could lead to events that may prove far moe harmful to the people there than if a strongman had stayed in power. I hope not, but there’s a lot of romm for things to go wrong.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Bibi’s first prick was Joe Lieberman.

  • Arlo J. Thudpucker

    Mubarak will be granted his wish to die on Egyptian soil. I suspect he will expire from “natural causes” related to the stress of the revolution.

    With a nudge or two from his “vice president”, who is a world class pyschopath.

    This will be insufficient, since the entire regime is utterly corrupt.

    It’s only a matter of time before a civil war breaks out.

  • Anonymous

    thats something about the freedom of this country that is starting to get on my nerves… the freedom to be ignorant… i want to talk with people about this.. but no one around me is paying any attention to the world.

  • Sc00ter5111

    It’s a shame the assassination attempt on the appointed VP was not successful. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/05/egypt.vice.president/
    The people should go after Mubaraks family wherever they are.
    As the US policy is “Total War” where even children are deliberately targeted; the policy of the Egyptian revolution should be asymmetrical to the US stooges policies as well.
    You must “stoop to their level” for your revolution to succeed. The US thugs did, in fact, torture the young children of the “alleged 911 mastermind” to make KSM “confess” http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/newly-released-doj-memos-offer-support-for-account-of-torture-of-ksm%E2%80%99s-children-using-insects/ to the Nazi israeli crimes of September 11, 2001.
    Let’ see if those animals are willing to sacrifice their wives, children and grand children for their Nazi Zionist agenda.
    It’s a good move to shut off the gas pipeline to Nazi israel http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Explosion-Rocks-Egyptian-Pipeline-to-Israel-115359804.html
    There should have been another line to ensure gas deliveries to Jordan and Syria. Mubarak and his minions have set the stage for further chaos by doing any business with the fascist theocracy. The people of Egypt were never intended to benefit from any dealings with the rogue state, in the first place.
    The Coptic Christians have been under constant assault by CIA and MOSSAD agent provocateurs for decades to rile the west into believing the Muslim are their persecutors. http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=28555&cb300=vocations If they really are under constant attack by Islamic extremists: why did they join hands and create a human shield so their Muslim brothers could pray in relative safety? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353330/Egypt-protests-Christians-join-hands-protect-Muslims-pray-Cairo-protests.html
    So many questions: so many lies;
    The most powerful demand by the freedom movement in Egypt should be EQUAL TIME ON STATE TV ! Have they made that demand? Should they? What would be the answer? Should the meddling Obama tell Mubarak to give the opposition equal time, since he is so intent on bringing “democracy” to Egypt? Or would that be the “wrong kind of democracy” for a racist demagogue like Obama?….soooo many questions

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