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Fox News recently accused President Barack Obama of misquoting a passage from the Bible during his address this week at the National Prayer Breakfast. However, a liberal media watchdog group pointed out that Fox Nation failed to realize that ”there is more than one version of the Bible.”

“Obama was quoting from the New International Version,” Ben Dimiero of Media Matters for America wrote Friday, “while Fox Nation was pointing to the King James Version to ‘debunk’ him.”

Fox Nation blasted Obama’s reading of Isaiah 40:31, stating that the passage is, “But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.”

Obama’s version stated, “Those who wait on the Lord will soar on wings like eagles, and they will run and not be weary, and they will walk and not faint.”

Dimiero said that this volley was the latest attack aimed to discredit Obama’s Christian upbringing and identity. “This would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic,” he said.

However, the overall smear campaign has worked. A Pew polling report last year showed that only 34 percent of Americans think Obama is Christian, while roughly 18 percent think he is Muslim.

The stage for this latest smear — the annual National Prayer Breakfast — is steeped in controversy. The breakfast’s organizer, The Family, is a group of secretive right-wing evangelical Christian politicians that aims to spread its strict beliefs abroad, as noted by church-state separation advocates.

“Unlike other Christian right groups, they don’t really believe that you’re in power because you’re a good person,” Jeff Starlet, author of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power told Democracy Now of The Family’s members in 2009.

This video is from the White House, broadcast Feb. 3, 2011.

 
 
 
 
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  • http://twitter.com/Shamrocker Morgan

    Yes, there are thousands of ‘Versions’ out there, but they ALL have carry the same ‘line’ that it is the “Infallible Word of God….’

  • http://twitter.com/Shamrocker Morgan

    Yes, there are thousands of ‘Versions’ out there, but they ALL have carry the same ‘line’ that it is the “Infallible Word of God….’

  • Anonymous

    To paraphrase an old indian expression. Conservative God speak with forked tongue. Conservatives then speak in babble.

  • bob915

    http://bible.com/ click on the ‘translation’ window and you will see how stupid and narrow the ‘Family’ looks……ignorance knows no zipcode

  • Anonymous

    Gee, will Fox admit their mistake?

    Ever notice how liberals, atheists, and the not-so-fundamentalists christians know more about the bible than the hard core Jesus-freaks?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JDONZQ76VAV2S3TGANLBVCH3BI s

    Can you quote the exact line of scripture where “infallable Word of God” is used?

  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    Really……..we have representatives in congress belonging to ‘secretive clubs’ calling themselves “The Family”?
    Is it the Gambinos, or the Gottis?
    These devil worshiping fanatics should be ousted and prosecuted for sedition and dereliction of duty.
    The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. JFK

  • Anonymous

    So which translation of a translation of a translation SHOULD he have used?

  • P Matthews

    McLean, Virginia — Anyone who studies the Christian Bible would know the New International version and very likely remember the King James version as well. The surprise here might be that Fox News would risk being exposed as ignorant of the facts. On the other hand, why would I be surprised that Fox News is ignorant of any facts …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JDONZQ76VAV2S3TGANLBVCH3BI s

    Can you quote the exact line of scripture where “infallable Word of God” is used?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJMNZL5KJFX2H5CKWK2S75HU7I Kevin

    A War-criminal quoting the Bible…how quaint.

  • Anonymous

    yup. the pew research center proved this a few months ago. http://bit.ly/gNC3eK

  • Anonymous

    Oh my Dog, what a transgression. What next, misquoting Lord of the Rings? Who fucking cares?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    no,no,no…Obama is using the Muslim version of the Babble…it’s printed in Kenya…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorothy-Banks/100001470098554 Dorothy Banks

    Will this stupidity ever stop? These muckrakers are incapable of enlightenment. They need full spiritual help from the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. They are blissfully unaware that their souls are tainted, and their tongues are twisted lies.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Never trust the scribblings of any people who can’t master the application of fire to bacon…and who live in fear of a shrimp salad.

  • shinyorbs

    whatever troll.

  • Anonymous

    The behavior of fox noise propaganda machinery gives the impression that they are unaware of a book called the bible, whether the King James version or the NIV. Their criticism of the quotation by the President is hypocritical but not surprizing.

  • Anonymous

    There are as many versions of the Bible as there are versions of almost any account of seminal events. The truth is in it but we see through a glass darkly.

  • Anonymous

    They didn’t complain when Chief Justice Roberts deliberately “misquoted” Obama’s oath at the inaugural. They didn’t complain when bu$h “misquoted” reports of WMDs in Iraq. Everything FUCKEDNOOZ says speaks for itself: These christian patriot Nazis simply cannot tolerate having a n****r president.

  • http://bucknacktssordidtawdryblog.blogspot.com/ Craig

    Here is another story about the hypocrisy of the tea-baggers and the danger their religious extremism presents to our Republic. They are just as warped and are as great a threat to America here and abroad as the Muslim fanatics who pervert Islam and the Jewish fanatics who pervert their faith.
    http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/148795/how_republicans_and_their_big_business_allies_duped_tens_of_millions_of_evangelicals_into_voting_for_a_corporate_agenda?page=entire

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBOBXKMYUN25IDK7BVB2ACU244 Matthew

    King James I was a Protestant monarch, emistruth; the KJV was produced by the Church of England, which at that time had a strongly Protestant identity.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBOBXKMYUN25IDK7BVB2ACU244 Matthew

    Isn’t it interesting how stories touching on religion always bring out the “rational” in droves?

  • Anonymous

    Dear Matthew: It seems that despite his Scottish roots, you are correct. Many thanks!

  • http://bucknacktssordidtawdryblog.blogspot.com/ Craig

    Fox “news” would do well to consider the 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16)
    King James Bible
    Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

  • Ma’at

    TeaBaggers don’t care. Facts are meaningless to them. If Faux News tells them the sun doesn’t shine, they will swear to their grave it doesn’t.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTFRQEKODXEDIF6UKOLGDEIPAA Eric

    Are you serious? “The surprise here might be that Fox News would risk being exposed as ignorant of the facts” — No the surprise would be the day Fox News would care about being ignorant of anything. Being ignorant of things is their hallmark.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=530821179 Risa Bear

    Given the nature of his audience, I think he should have quoted the Spanish version.

  • Anonymous

    In light of the new civility…take your often mistranslated “holy” book and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

  • Anonymous

    From the article:

    —-Dimiero said that this volley was the latest attack aimed to discredit Obama’s Christian upbringing and identity. “This would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic,” he said.—–

    I guess his mistake would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic ;)

  • Anonymous

    Fox would claim that Obama wiped his ass with a page out of the bible every day since taking office if it would get a bigger tax break for their rich friends.

  • Schmice

    Aren’t you subtle.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Anonymous

    I guess your obvious failure to read the article would be funny, if it weren’t so pathetic.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    The people who produce and watch Fox News do not know that the Bible was not originally written in English, so things like this are to be expected.

  • Anonymous

    actually I did read it. just not carefully enough. I’ll have to “Like” your comment.

  • alfredo

    It would help President Obama greatly with the right-wing-nut-christian-zealots and faucks nooze if he could walk on water. Blond hair and blue eyes would do about the same, maybe?

  • Anonymous

    You are aware, aren’t you, that the King James version of the Bible, the one on which Fox was relying, is generally considered among Biblical scholars and experts in Koine Greek to be among the LEAST reliable translations?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t believe any of the versions make that claim for themselves. It’s various sects that have ascribed that attribute to them.

  • Anonymous

    Limbaugh Jokes About Detention of NYT Journalists, Until He Learns Fox ‘News’ Reporters Hospitalized

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8338

    Let’s see what the bible says about this:

    Quoting the bible: Acts 13:3 ESV

    “Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.”

  • http://womenborntranssexual.com Suzan Cooke

    The Family is not Christian. they are some sort of perverted cult that only uses a freaky version of Christianity.

  • Dirk

    “King James version” naturally sounds better to them than “International,” which makes them recoil.

  • Anonymous

    If it’s to try to embarrass a democrat, they’ll make the effort and crack open a book. Thankfully they’re so out of practice in doing research that they only embarrass themselves.

  • Anonymous

    A collection of christian elites voted at a meeting around 400 A.D. which writings would be in the modern bible, and that it was the infallible word of God. It wasn’t even nearly unanimous.

  • Anonymous

    “Back when the Bible was written, then edited, then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the Pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, then re-re-re-re-rewritten again… all based on stories that were told orally… 30 to 90 years AFTER they happened… to people who didn’t know how to write. … I love the Bible, it’s a treasure trove of chuckles.” – David Cross

  • Anonymous

    I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are stupid…but some are stupider than others

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AGWLHRUPZASVDQN6L3VQP22ZE4 LLyn

    The Dead Sea scrolls are 2000-3000 year old manuscripts sealed for 2000 years match the manuscripts copies that 47 Hebrew scholars used to translate into to English and auhtorized by King James in 1611. Dont believe me go to the Dead Sea scrolls online…But make sure you have the King James bible with you

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, the bible is just a book!
    The stories came from earlier cultures.
    Keep on thumping.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    You know if you’re going to nit pick other nit pickers, then you should at least get your facts straight.

    Ben Dimierio is flat out wrong.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+40%3A31&version=NIV

    The New International Version doesn’t use the “wait” phraseology. It uses “hope”.

    The King James Version does use “wait”.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2040:31&version=KJV

    I don’t really care except I think O’Bumbler does use his “Christianity” as a prop. After sitting in a church for 20 years, listening to the guy who brought him to Christ spew such vitriolic rhetoric, O’Bumbler appeared to never have heard any of it. Wright wasn’t the man O’Bumbler thought he knew.

    O’Bumbler joined Wright’s church to get black cred. It’s all just for show.

  • Anonymous

    Ahem. The bible was written in Greek dude.

  • Anonymous

    Fox fake news…typical kkkracker noise.

  • Anonymous

    Every utterance of Obama’s will be examined and scrutinized by Fox News and their minions and any possible anti-American or anti-Christian interpretations will be reported as evidence that he is in all likelihood THE TWELFTH IMAM or THE ANTICHRIST and his ultimate goal is to turn America over to the NEW WORLD ORDER and to have all Christians beheaded. At least thats what Glenn says and he’s got the maps to prove it.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/CTGKYFNDGU6KJEHQNNPXA64ZZI Pj

    You TeaKKKlaners only spew such childish nonsense to deflect from your own inadequacies and the deep and vexing insecurity and resentment that festers with the knowledge that you don’t measure up and can’t compete… without cheating, that is.

  • Tyke

    Far right ideologues appear to be incapable of cognitive dissonance because they completely lack cognition to begin with.

    How can the rabidly help position that someone else writes every word of Obama’s speeches (a lie to begin with, but repeated ad nauseum by the far right) coexist in the same mind with the outrage that Obama wrote something in one of his speeches?

  • Anonymous

    I’m an agnostic.

    That way I have no trouble with any version.

  • godistwaddle

    One really should always quote the KJV; it’s outdated, but in the same way Shakespeare is outdated, and it sounds SOOOO good.

  • Anonymous

    Me I likes me some hog meat and shrimps way too good. There are some pretty good scribblings in amongst all the violence of that favorite of books. Micah 6:6-8 comes to mind. And that Jesus dude had some pretty good stuff to say, though that part about loving God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself is pretty damned radical and interfering. Too bad many of the folks who claim to follow him don’t. It’s seems that it’s the ones who clamor the loudest for purity are least likely to be so.

    If the oh so knowlegeable folks at Fux would bother to research it they would find that good ole King James was gay, otherwise known as (GASP!!) a homosexual. A fact I am sure they would never broadcast.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, it is a collection of books written in different languages, redacted from multiple sources, aimed at various specific audiences. That is one reason why there are so many contradictory passages. There are also different versions considered to be orthodox canon (Catholic Vulgate vs. Protestant Bible). It is also a reason taking it literally is a stupid thing to do.

  • Anonymous

    This is good. Thanks for the chuckle.

  • DesertSun59

    Here’s a KJ passage that ALL Faux New viewers ignore:

    Leviticus 20:9 (King James Version)

    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

    In other words, the murder of your children is sanctioned by the Christian genocidal deity. Do they respond by doing just that? Well, only SOME do and they’re considered insane by our judicial system.

  • Anonymous

    And Gee Duh-bya didn’t???? Your nom de plume is oh so accurate.

  • Anonymous

    Ole Willie never claimed to be THE WORD OF GOD. He was just a very keen observer of human nature and a damned fine writer.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, FOX NEWS playing to the Protestant Christian Southern segregationist base?! They believe God wrote the King James Bible, not King James translating in 1607 thousands of years old selective texts. FOX with the lunatic Mormon at 5pm and the sex harrasser loofah falafel shower fantasy guy at 8pm?! They are the ones discreditting Obama?

  • Anonymous

    During the Medieval ages the Bible was in Latin as was the church services.

    The members never new Latin which makes a person wonder what is the point of going to church if you didn’t know a damn thing the priest was saying.

    Martin Luther did the unspeakable. He translated the Bible into German. This made it possible for those who can read German to read the Bible.

    What Martin Luther did was equvialent to Thoth the god teaching man to write, it was equivalent to Prometheus the god giving man fire.

    Reagan and Bush Jr gave their souls to the devil. They listen to the words of the greedy and they bowed to those words causing hardship upon the least of their brothers. Reagan and Bush Jr used God for political gain, not for spiritual gain. They used God to hurt the least of their brothers. Oh the eye of the needle.

    Whoa unto thee Fox Fraud News, take the log out of your own eye before you start worrying about the speck in anyone elses eye.

    And I say unto you, when you turn off Fox Fraud News, wipe the dust off your fingers, lest you remain unclean because you had that station on. And I shall add unto this that anyone who watched Fox Fraud News will never be clean again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DFO26ZTHHBKLAS7STLD3JV3USY jjhuyzinga

    Reagan of course pandered to the evangelicals for their votes. Their votes only. He was not a religious man and obviously had no stomach for the Sermon on the Mount, as his whole ideology was based on the verse, “Greed is good.” (Gecko 1:1) Christians believe that greed is a mortal sin, one of the seven deadly sins, while Reaganism preaches more for the greedy, less for the needy.

  • http://itsrobertsfault.blogspot.com/ LiberalTexasDemocrat

    “Fox Nation failed to realize that “there is more than one version of the Bible.”" Failing to realize or think beyond the spite at the end of their nose is deliberate and calculated. I would no more listen to FOX News than rely on those folks for news than listen to a “millionaire’s” infommercial who says he’s selling his book of investment secrets because he’s driven by altruism.

  • Anonymous

    Naturally Fox only recognizes the Queen James Version. Didn’t everyone know Jesus spoke in Shakespearean English and his words were copied down verbatim and later translated into Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew etc. for the non-Fundamentalist pagans of the world?

  • Anonymous

    Why is the president quoting from any bible? You can’t say “National Prayer Breakfast” without “national prayer”.

  • Guest

    Fox News is about as much an authority on the Bible as my dog. Try Professor Bart D. Ehrman for the real deal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    Wow. Ad hominem. Great rebuttal.

    What’s with Progs and hatred of the truth.

    Your Messiah is just claiming the Christian Messiah to get brownie points, Progs. Deal with it.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    This pretty much demonstrates the ignorance level at Fox News, which hovers around 9 1/2 on a scale of 10.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    holy rollers suck

    religion is bogus, grow out of it already

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Indeed. And this isn’t just a joke. There are so-called ministers in Texas (of all places…) who actually “think” the bible (which is actually a compendium and not a “book”) was written in English.

  • Anonymous

    I hope as an atheist, not one penny of my tax dollar goes into funding the national prayer breakfast.

  • RobertX

    I have news for you, Straw… if you don’t say it in Aramaic, you’re not quoting the Bible; you’re quoting a translation of the Bible, done by a person after the fact. If your quote accurately transmits the essence of the text you’re quoting, it’s right. One says “hope” and one says “wait”… BFD. The mere fact that there are two different versions, and each is “correct”, demonstrates that there’s a certain latitude there.

  • http://cockamamieideasinc.blogspot.com/ ol cranky

    Funny that Fox is out of step with so many of their supporters who are evangelical/fundamentalist. The fundamentalists in the right wing are more likely to use the NIV, not King James version of the bible.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    John Wycliffe would have been burned at the stake, if he hadn’t died first, for, among other things, translating the bible into English in 1382. But you are wrong about no one reading Latin. The educated classes, at least, understood Latin, as it was taught in the schools. In fact, the Latin used in England was much purer than that used on the continent because it wasn’t their primary language. A good example is the Anacalypsis of Godfrey Higgins, who wrote before 1830. When he quotes someone in French, he translates it. When he quotes someone in Latin, he doesn’t.

  • RobertX

    No, if he walked on water, Faux News would somberly report: “Obama can’t swim!”

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Despite the terminology, they are not “versions.” They are TRANSLATIONS.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Depends how you define Christian. From the standpoint of someone whose ancestors came from Eastern Europe because their ancestors had to flee the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal, all this blather about what “Christians believe” reeks an awful lot of bologna.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    There are THOUSANDS of versions of the bible. Someone could quote anything from any of them and be right.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    “Progs” ain’t ad hominem? “Do as I say, not as I do”?

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    Obama is a Christian? Who woulda thunk it?

  • Anonymous

    It’s sad that both the majority of citizens and the media will ignore the fact that it is both improper on a presidential level and an indictment on modern man’s rap sheet that he is even quoting this book that, at best, is of questionable scientific merit.
    Put your emotional barricade down for once in your life people, and look at the claims of religion as you look at any other.

  • Anonymous

    Kidding yourself. But I feel you man

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    “Match” is a relative term. There are many variations in the Dead Sea Scrolls, among themselves and from the modern “bible”. And the “scholars” who translated it couldn’t read Aramaic. They used a bloody dictionary. So your best bet for the Hebrew Bible is the Masoretic Text. And, as Greg2009 so accurately expresses below, it is all a pastiche. Even the so-called Gospels, written last, by the way, differ among themselves on critical points.

  • Anonymous

    Bingo

  • Anonymous

    Fox Nation knows that Obama was quoting that version; they can Google just as easily as anyone else. As we have seen by the leaked emails from Fox producers they are intentionally misleading their audience who are more than willing to suspend their disbelief.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    It’s not like there’s a whole website with vast numbers of translations of the bible in multiple languages that defaults to the New International Version available for free on the internet or something: http://www.biblegateway.com/

    Nobody is born that ignorant. They have to be trained.

  • Anonymous

    That horse is dead.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Anyone interested in how English translations (not “versions”) have changed should take a look at the John Wycliffe translation of 1382 available at Google Books. It’s not much easier to read than Chaucer.

  • Anonymous

    For nearly 20 years I was brought up in a fundamentalist household. The King James Bible was the *only* true bible as far as the churches I went to were concerned. they still pray using thee and thou shalt…that comes right out of the King James Bible.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    The bacon part is about feeding animals for slaughter that eat the same food as humans in a desert environment. It’s purely ecological and has nothing to do with cooking ability.

    As for shrimp, there’s a biblical injunction against cannibalism that has, admittedly, been taken a bit too far, but has much to be said for it nevertheless. Have YOU eaten any dead babies lately?

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Well, you have to admit that nowhere in the bible does it say (in the King James translation), “Thou shalt not blow up wedding parties using smart bombs!” You have to understand the literalist mind.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Thanks for that, Trolly Boy.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Well, the Wycliffe version of 1382 is closest to the source. Unfortunately, it’s closest to incomprehensible:

    “31 But thei that hopen in the Lord, schulen chaunge strengthe, thei schulen take fetheris as eglis; thei schulen renne, and schulen not trauele; thei schulen go, and schulen not faile.”

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    I dont have a messiah, that was a creation of the right wing corporate mainstream media

    you fell for it

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    belief in a magic man in the sky that will burn you forever if you don’t follow his rules but he loves you is all the evidence of insanity any thinking person should need

  • RichWa

    I’m not sure that Fox hasn’t broken every commandment in every version of the 10 Commandments I’ve ever studied. Not counting the version posted on the “Christian” fundamentalist church in the town where I live there are at least 3 acknowledged versions of the 10 Commandments.

    For Roman Catholics, false witness is # 8. The Catholics decided they wanted to have idols so the part about idols was left out/removed/ignored from their 10 Commandments. And they wanted other gods, (Roman Catholic Church approved gods, that is,) so it was changed to “strange” gods.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments is a pretty accurate source.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    as long as they don’t claim the existence of a magic man in the sky

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    well, once you identify someone as a person that will believe in a magic man in the sky, it’s pretty easy to convince them of other myths, like trickle down economics and American exceptional-ism

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    AD 325: Council of Nicaea. Presided over by Emperor Constantine, who was also responsible for the introduction of the cross as the symbol of Christianity.

  • RichWa

    Obama would wipe his rear with a page out of the bible — or any other “holy” book — if he thought it would get a bigger tax break and/or more taxpayer subsidizes for his uber-rich friends.

  • John Kessler

    National prayer breakfast = “The Family” = the “Kill the gays” bill in Uganda. What a lovely connection. And Fox is quibbling over bible passages while a gay activist was just beaten to death with a hammer in response to lies and propaganda spread to Uganda by members of “The Family”.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-show-christian-conservatisms

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/09/5614680-rachel-maddowdavid-bahati-full-interview

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/02/5976853-the-unbearable-sadness-of-david-katos-story

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    The bible doesn’t even call itself the word of “God.” In fact, there’s no evidence the writers of the various parts even knew that their writings had been incorporated into a larger “book.” There is no mention of the word “bible” in the “bible,” no injunction that “Though shalt read the bible”!

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    It’s not. The general method in those days to hear the “word of ‘God’” was to listen to the so-called prophets.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Pastoral? Do you really think you keep that kind of complex genealogy for a bunch of sheep herders? All that pastoral business was an attempt to convince the native inhabitants of Canaan that they were descended from the same ancestors as their formerly Egyptian overlords. Miriam, Joshua, and their descendants were a secondary line of the Egyptian royal family, and the entire period of the Judges was Manetho’s 16th Dynasty:

    http://neros.lordbalto.com/ChapterThirteen.htm

  • Anonymous

    You mean Jesus didn’t write the King James version himself?

  • Anonymous

    Bunch of racists.

  • Anonymous

    I couldn’t agree with you more Jim, but let me just add…OBBAMA MUST NOT BE A REAL CHRISTIAN OTHERWISE HE WOULD QUOTE THE KJV AND NOT ONE OF THOSE WATERED DOWN ABOMINATIONS. PRAISE GOD!
    Dt. 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

  • Anonymous

    Do you have any idea how many people in the Medieval Ages were members of the educated classes compared to those who weren’t?

    I mentioned Germany. If you want to get really accurate. There was no Germany at the time. There numerous languages throughout Europe that would baffle the mind and the dialects of those numberous languages would be even more problematic. Bohemia doesn’t even exist anymore.

    I have to disagree with you. I stand by my account that the population that did not know latin and were not educated blows the waters out of the population that knew latin and that were educated.

    Oh and by the way. I grew up in a predominately Catholic neighborhood and I was the only non Catholic in the world as far as I was concerned because when you are that little a five block area is the whole world. The Catholics went to Catholic school and back then the priest did the services in Latin and not a single Catholic that I knew understood Latin.

  • Ma’at

    People dying everywhere and teh American Taliban is worried about some alleged (now debunked) misquote of a book of mythology?

    The Right must be utterly wiped out. We’ve done it in CA (their words not mine) and it is spreading. Those added numbers to red states after the census are overwhelmingly liberal. And if those 29 million liberals that sat out the last election show up in 2012 …

    We must be about nothing more and nothing less than the destruction of Conservatism. It is populated by bottom feeders who pray for the death of anyone not like them.

  • Jaimie11

    That’s understandable, well knowing ahead of time its more modern translation.

  • Anonymous

    YO !

    If the King James Version was good enough for St. Paul . . . it’s good enuff fer ME.

  • Anonymous

    . . . and YOU are one o’ them-thar Islamiacs, ain’t ya ?

  • Anonymous

    If th’ King James Version was good enuff fer St. Paul … it’s good enuff fer ME.

    … one question: Since the KJV is the ONLY gen-you-wine version o’ the Word o’ God … if ya wanna know whut God said ’bout stuff and ya weren’t brought up lernin’ how ta rede and talk English . . . do ya first hafta lern you some English in order to know whut God said ? Huh ?

  • Anonymous

    God knew Greek ?

  • Anonymous

    Sez so in th’ Bible, Vern.

    … SOMEwhere. Ah’ll betcha.

  • Anonymous

    FOLK tales, dude … not FAIRY tales.

    DUH.

  • Anonymous

    extremist right wing Christian traitors

  • Anonymous

    it is sick that people are allowing this group the family to have so much control and influence

  • Anonymous

    Indeed. The Bible doesn’t refer to itself at all, because it never existed as a specific collection of texts until centuries after the last of them was written.

  • Anonymous

    Robert, the Bible was written by a PERSON in fact hundreds of years after the fact …. if the text was not “dropped from the sky already written” then all of it is suspect!

    long live the EGYPTIAN SUN GOD where a 1000 years before “Jesus” did the exact same things ….. what was his name? Hurius or something like that …

    BIBLE IS NOT AN ORIGINAL STORY

  • Anonymous

    are you serious? Greek and Hebrew are phonetic alphabets. They both developed from the first phonetic alphabet which was…..wait for it….Phonecian(sp)!
    Hebrew was derived from the greek alphabet. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta became Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth.
    Capiche’

  • Anonymous

    Uh huh, yeah, twenty years. If it was 20 YEARS of vitriolic rhetoric how is it that – despite the fact that the sermons were recorded and made available to anyone who wanted them – there is less than five minutes ALTOGETHER of the so-called vitriolic rhetoric to point to any time anyone wants to discuss it? Five minutes of snatches of statements made in that church; that’s all anyone’s ever found. More Faux Noise lies.

  • Guest

    Do you really believe that the King James’ version was in existence when St. Paul was here? You might want to find out when the King James version came into existence before you say something so foolish.

    Your line reminds me of that song “Give Me That Old Time Religion”. Did you mean it to?

    Were you trying to be humorous? Or were you serious?

  • Anonymous

    We must all be on guard at all times for any biblical misquotations.

    God didn’t write the bible for us to misquote him.

    Barack Obama’s interpretation of the King James Version, which is the version that God wanted us to use, is correct.

    Obama is a man of deep faith, and he follows the word of God. That’s why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, to spread the word of the true God whose son was Jesus and whose spirit is the Holy Spirit who, though he never manifest himself on Earth, impregnated Mary with Jesus so that Jesus could explain why the Romans needed to leave Israel so that the Jews could prosper in the land that many hundreds of years before was given to them by Jesus’s father, God, the father because he felt the Jews were the best people on Earth, the chosen people and that they were very special.

    That’s why Barack Obama is doing the right thing by fighting the enemies of Israel in Afghanistan, it’s God’s will. God knows that the people in Afghanistan want to take the land of Israel away from the Jews and keep it for themselves.

    God also knows that to fund these wars we have to cut back on social security, medicare, bailout more financial firms as God is heavily into finance and understands how important the stock market is.

    God also knows that we must limit our freedoms so that we can be secure. God is against the depostion of Mubarak unless he’s replaced by someone like him.

    God’s word is easy to understand if you just stop thinking and listen.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    “A Pew polling report last year showed that only 34 percent of Americans think Obama is Christian, while roughly 18 percent think he is Muslim”.

    W’s Mission Accomplished banner is proudly displayed in the Office of Faux News Director Roger Ailes.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is hilarious that some people would actually believe that St. Paul circa 67 would ever had read the KJV circa 1611.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you! Yes. The western world has put its faith on the infallibility of christian doctrine based on a majority vote of a bunch of guys., not on the word of God.
    We are surrounded by Christian taliban jihadists.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Rich I “think” Bruno was being sarcastic hence the rural lexicon at the end of the sentence!

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry I misquoted the article and attributed Obama’s quote as coming from the King James Bible when in fact the version he was quoting from was “The New International Version” of the bible, and that’s the one that God wants us to use.

    There are many versions of the bible, most of them are incorrect and God just wants us to use the one that uses his exact language which at the time was Hebrew and God also knows how to speak Greek as that’s the language he spoke to St. Paul in. God doesn’t speak English, in fact there wasn’t even a English language during the time that God was on Earth with his little boy and so that’s why there’s so much confusion about what he was saying.

    One thing is for sure, God doesn’t think too much of Arabs because they believe in the wrong God and that really pisses him off, after all the work he’s done creating the entire Universe and spending most of his time trying to get us to believe in him while neglecting to create life on Jupiter or Mars or somewhere.

  • Delia

    The ironic thing is, the New International Version is fairly popular among evangelical and conservative Christians. Many Fox viewers probably use the NIV in their own churches. The KJV just isn’t used much anymore, except for a few set pieces like the Lord’s Prayer and the 23rd Psalm because the Jacobean language is so hard to understand and the translation wasn’t done from the original sources.

    As someone downthread noted, this is just Fox throwing more sand in people’s eyes.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    What should absolutely floor most nonbelievers is that a majority of Christians do NOT realize that the Bible is an EDITED version of a group many “books” written during and just after the time of Jesus and compiled over 2 Centuries and three cannons.

    Further they have little understanding of the founding of their religion and or appreciate the political implications of the Nicene council and how that shaped the acceptance of the religion on a wide scale.

    You would be shocked and saddened at how many believers do not know about how the Bible was put together, who made the decisions to include and or exclude which books and what passages within the books were removed.

    I find it astounding that any sect (Baptist, Lutheran, etc) could ascribe all but a few words in the bible as the “Word of God” rather than a the “words of a man” who was inspired by their belief in Jesus claims of a single deity over the more common belief at the time that there were multiple “gods”.

    But what has NOT changed in 2,000 years is that religion continues to be manipulated to control and influence the peasants to keep them from beheading the rich and powerfull.

  • Anonymous

    Provocative!

    What is the Bible “used” for exactly?

    You write “the Jacobean language is so hard to understand” meaning I guess that “evangelical and conservative Christians” have a hard time with both language and understanding.

    I have read some of the King James version and there isn’t anything there that is especially difficult to understand, except that people think that any of it came from GOD! That is the part that I find especially difficult to understand.

    Lastly, I always though the original source was supposed to be GOD! Are you suggesting then that some people have been able to consult with him and other people haven’t, but both of them wrote Bibles.

    OH NO!

  • RobertX

    Of course the Bible and the whole Jesus myth is based on earlier beliefs… but that’s a whole different topic. If someone is arguing from a particular dogma, I’d much rather stipulate to his dogma and point out the fallacies of his argument within his own frame of reference. I’ll argue about historical accuracies or origins of deity myths where appropriate.

  • Fireblazes

    Everyone knows God sounds just like Moses does on TV. Heston nailed that performance.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyEcMG5bDs

  • Anonymous

    There are a couple of things that have been sloughed over here. In the first place you are talking about Catholics, all Christians at that time were Catholics. They had “the government” monopoly on Christianity. Catholics at that time went to Mass, which is a completely different church service that consists in reading from the Missal which is a different book entirely from the Bible. In fact, except for a reading from the Gospels and the Epistles on Sunday (mass was read daily), the Bible played no role in the Catholic church ceremony. So whether or not the Bible was in Latin or pig-latin made little difference; the layman had no access to most of it.

    The Catholics kept what relatively few hand copied copies of the bible there were at that time, chained to desks in monasteries and other church properties for safe keeping. So the lay people, the regular mass attendees, had no access to the Bible as such. Martin Luther not only translated the Bible from Latin, but, because of the recent invention of movable type, he was able to make his translation readily available to those who had never before seen a Bible.

    And that was the importance of his work–the Bible suddenly became available so people could decide for themselves what those words meant and didn’t have to take the word of church elders and other authorities on the correct interpretation. Now every one was free to decide for themselves. Religious libertarianism. And of course we see today how that well that worked out!

  • Anonymous

    That’s Jeff Sharlet, not “Starlet”. Anyway, this is further evidence that the American public is just plain stupid, having already forgotten the Rev. Wright “controversy.” Pathetic.

  • Anonymous

    “The Catholics went to Catholic school and back then the priest did the services in Latin and not a single Catholic that I knew understood Latin.”

    This is a little misinformed. There are two distinct parts to the Catholic Mass, the part that is repeated every day of the year and was then in Latin and is now in English. This is the part that you are referring to that was always in Latin. The people may not have understood Latin per se, but all Catholics knew what was going on during mass, because the mass is just a long opera, you don’t have to know Italian to know what is happening in Puccini’s opera for instance.

    The second part is the sermon, which was only done on Sunday, and this was always done in English or in Polish or whatever the language of the Congregation was. So it wasn’t as if the poor stupid Catholics had no idea what was occurring during their services. They may not have known the exact words, but they knew that “Dei” was god for instance. It wasn’t as if it was completely and totally foreign. They understood enough Latin to know what was happening on the altar, and they learned it by going to church.

  • Anonymous

    That is “name-calling” and tends to alienate some libertarians; in fact it alienates them so badly that they will accuse you of doing it even when you don’t so they can have a reason to feign alienation and end the conversation!

  • Anonymous

    There you go again! There is one true Christianity and that ain’t them.

  • Anonymous

    Oh how freakin’ petty! First off the bible has been rewritten and copied more than once. So no one really knows what the original bible actually said! Apparently faux news has the original version that was placed in their hands by the man himself!!??? This country is in the throws of financial disaster, wars, unemployment crisis and problems with security, education, health care and what do the bone heads at faux news pick to focus on? A quote from the damn bible! Good grief! Republicans grow up! You are all a bunch buttheads! I know humans have evolved at different rates, but come on! You have to pick up your pace because you are way to far behind the rest of us!

  • Anonymous

    My concern is why Obama thought it appropriate to speak at a gathering organized by and for fundamentalist religious bigots who oppose the United States Constitution.

    Obama never fails to disappoint me. He is not just another corporate Republican; he is another demagogue. He belongs in the GOP along with the Blue Dogs and all the other anti-Americans who oppose pluralistic democracy.

  • alfredo

    Yep! Just like the NRA types. They can’t read the language in nor do they understand the 2nd amendment to the U. S. Constitution either. Could it be that they are the same people?

    Like my beloved former U. S. Senator, Wayne Morse, of Oregon said: “When a politician (in this case Focks Nooze) comes at you with a bible in one hand you should keep an eye on the other hand, that’s where he keeps his dagger (gun).

  • alfredo

    Those Jews in Palestine; they so evangelical christian!

  • alfredo

    Very recently I read that: “English was good enough Jesus and it’s good enough for me”.?

  • Anonymous

    Where did you pull this from? Im gonna guarantee it wasn’t your ass, so some other dark, inhabitable place, then.

  • Wombat Weatheraxe

    Oh, great. Now the Right Wingnuts will most likely try to get only ONE version of the Bible listed as acceptable for all of us. The bigger issue is that Obama spoke at the prayer breakfast, thus negating the separation of church and state. Under that issue, who cares what version of the Bible he quoted.

  • Anonymous

    I think Obama is a Mustian. He was influenced by his father who was a Muslim and his mom who was a Christian. But he believes now in the correct God who is the same God who sent his little boy Jesus to Earth so that God could get the word out to people about how to save their souls so that they don’t go to Hell and suffer for an eternity.

    So, God’s little boy, Jesus grew up and got killed when he was 30, but he came back for a few days after he was killed to say goodbye. Regular people can’t do that only if God says and so far God only let Jesus come back to life after they killed him.

    Barack Obama is a devout Christian and he believes that Israel, where God lived until he was 30 and then got killed because he was too Jewish for the Romans…he believes Israel is our real Homeland, the homeland for Christians even though mostly Jews live their, because Christ started Christianity after he died because he was a Jew.

    Christ died for our sins, like masturbation and homicide. And he suffered on the cross feeling all the punishment we would have felt if we went to Hell for all our sins like the time when I put itching powder on Ms. Gunnisons neck that she couldn’t see me doing. If Christ hadn’t died for our sins I would be suffering even more than I am now for doing that and other things too.

    Thank you, Jesus

  • Anonymous

    TODAY’S REPUBLICAN “LEADERS” ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF JESUS CHRIST…THE­Y ARE IN NO WAY “PRACTICING” CHRISTIANS…REPUBLICAN “VALUES” ARE ANTITHETICAL TO “CHRISTIAN” VALUES

    Republican leaders don’t believe they’re their brother’s keepers. They don’t believe in humanity or the teachings of Jesus Christ. They reject social equity and moral equality. They have no compassion for the sufferings of Americans less fortunate than themselves­.

    They think “free” trade means they are “free” to ship American jobs overseas..­.and “free” to claim that denying jobs to American workers is “good” for America. Driving jobs out of America and Americans out of their homes is “just business”; nothing “personal”­. The consequenc­es to American families have no “personal” implicatio­ns for “them”.

    Corporatio­ns must be given the same first amendment free speech rights as individual citizens so they can “buy” political candidates and elections, despite the fact that works against the best interests of working class Americans and diminishes their political influence.

    Pollution, global warming and deforestat­ion are all improvable “myths” of egg-head/t­ree-hugger scientists who are “socialist­” enemies of “over-regu­lated” capitalism­. The earth, which right wing fundamenta­list claim is less than 6,000 years old, will miraculous­ly heal itself! All we have to do is “pray”.

    For today’s self-focus­ed/consume­d Republican­s, it’s not about right or wrong, good or bad, fair or unfair, rational or irrational­. They want what they want for no other reason than they WANT it, regardless of the consequenc­es to themselves and everyone else! Somehow, that makes “them” feel good about themselves­…makes “them” feel superior…m­akes “them” feel safe.

    Matthew 25:34-40

    “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritanc­e, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.”

    Leviticus 25:35

    “If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you.”

  • Delia

    In terms of understanding, the KJV is roughly equivalent to making sense of Shakespeare on the written page, which was only about a generation before. You can do it if you work at it, but you’ll probably make some mistakes. It was based in part on the Tyndale Bible of the 16th C, which was an English translation of the Latin Bible. Part of the Reformation and people died for owning a copy.

    The New Testament itself was compiled by church councils in (I think) the 4th C C.E. There were a lot of different texts in use and they made judgments about which ones were the most authentic and should be included. It was written in Greek as it was spoken in that day and later translated into Latin. Rabbinical councils made judgments about the Jewish Scriptures. Orthodox Jews believe the first 5 books of the Bible were given by God to Moses, though the rest is less direct. They’re all written in Hebrew. Modern translations all go back to the original texts and often scholars argue over the meaning of a particular word which may not translate well into modern English.

    Most religious scholars who are not of the most conservative/extreme views know perfectly well that the various books of the Bible were written by human beings and that many of the stories went through many tellings before they were written down. None of the 4 Gospels correlate exactly. There are two different Creation stories in Genesis. Etc. There are many different ways to interpret the Bible. If nothing else I find tremendous narrative power in a lot of the Old Testament stories. You just have to get away from the way other people are trying to use them

  • Anonymous

    No, it was pulled right off the comments of Raw Story!

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/georgia-republican-drivers-licenses/

    You’ll have to go scroll down and click to add the remaining comments. Find my discussion with the libertarian, TrevorLyman. It’s all right there just as I described it!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    RobertX, I’ve got some news for you. The New Testament didn’t appear in Aramaic. All the books were written in Greek. Spare me your ignorance and red herring.

    In regard to “hope” versus “wait”, unfortunately for you the BFD is that those assholes at Media Matters are hinging their defense of O’Bumbler on it. Like I said, I don’t really care if he can’t recite the verses verbatim from a version. The point is the attempt to constantly beat the drum that O’Bumber is a Christian from Progdom. Even though his actions say it’s all a smoke screen.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    LOL

    You fools fell for “YES WE CAN!!!” now want to pretend, “Oh I didn’t think that highly of O’Bumbler to begin with.”

    I’m having a hard time finding a Prog who voted for O’Bumbler these days.

  • Anonymous

    I understand the point you are trying to make. But comparing the Bible to Shakespeare is a bit of a stretch because they were written for two different audiences, in two different genres.

    I have read them both (but absolutely not all of either) and Shakespeare is mostly written in the vernacular and was in his day and time written to be performed before a mass audience. The Bible, on the other hand, in the King James version is a little bit more scholarly, if that is a term that can be used for that period. In any event, it is a translation for a select group of educated readers and the language used in it does not make use of the vernacular or the kinds of bawdy double entendres and innuendo that characterize much of Shakespear’s writing. In other words, Shakespeare is writing for the commoners who went in droves to partake of his theatrical productions and it wasn’t meant to be read it was written to be performed. The Bible at that time as has been noted was written to be read by a select group of scolarly people–two entirely different audiences.

    I find it most compelling, that people could go to Shakespeare’s plays and understand them, just by viewing them, while people today struggle to make sense of them on the page and whine about the work they have to do to understand the works. Most decent reproductions/publications of the plays contain more than enough notes to get anyone with what used to be a fifth grade reading level through them quite comfortably.

    The fact that people today can’t read the Bible, while those in the 19th century with less than a quarter the education did just fine, is also telling. The Bible and collections of Shakespeare’s plays were the two most commonly found books in more homes than anything else in America in the 19th century, which is why Mark Twain mocks Shakespeare in “Huckleberry Finn” (1884).

    Now most people can’t read well enough to do the work to understand Shakespeare (or the Bible)–maybe if they made video games out of the better known plays, the poor dears could get a handle on it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    I’m glad someone brought up The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats.

    Anyone noticed that Jesus made a point in that parable to display the giving was a personal choice. He didn’t say anything about the government “spreading the wealth” around?

    O’Bumblers collective salvation is just another Prog attempt to hijack the teaching of Jesus to bring about their own nefarious ends.

  • Anonymous

    There ain’t no way you know the Bible!

    Where’s the ball cap, pasty complexion, and the Confederate Flag in the background?

    YOU LIE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorothy-Banks/100001470098554 Dorothy Banks

    Paging Jesus, God and Christ! Your help is needed. Republicans have lost their minds, and their souls are severely tainted! They are so hate-filled they can’t see the over sized t truck that will inevitably strike them head on.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    Oh, by the by, Media Matters updated the story. The last line is telling.

    So while Fox’s criticism of Obama is still wrong, I should not have asserted that Obama was directly quoting from the NIV.

    First of all, how’s he claiming that Fox is wrong, when he wanted to get into a quote war… well, that’s just a Prog thing.

    However, at least he ceded his screw up.

    Who told you? That’s right – Straw.

  • Delia

    Well, the Bible in the 16th and 17th C was translated into language that ordinary people could understand. That was a major premise of the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic mass and the scriptures were all in Latin which was a dead language that only priests and scholars understood. The reformers believed everybody should be able to read scripture and decide for themselves. It was also why many of them pushed for universal literacy.

  • RobertX

    Speaking about red herrings, my point (which you actually seemed to get) is that the actual words did not matter; the gist is what’s important. As far as “the New Testament didn’t appear in Aramaic. All the books were written in Greek.” Yes, that’s very true, but Jesus and the disciples would have been speaking in Aramaic; if their words were quoted directly and verbatim, they would have been in that tongue.

    Spare me your pedantry.

  • Anonymous

    So, you believe Jesus Christ would have opposed “spreading the wealth” around when millions of his children were helpless and homeless? You must believe Jesus Christ was a Conservative Republican. Jesus Christ gave EVERYTHING for the least of us. That was a “personal choice” that you obviously learned NOTHING from.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJMNZL5KJFX2H5CKWK2S75HU7I Kevin

    Why is it trolling..it seems to me that war-criminals, no matter what party in this country, like to quote the Bible. Don’t be mad at me, be mad that you elect Bible quoting war-criminals.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJMNZL5KJFX2H5CKWK2S75HU7I Kevin

    Well if you’re gonna go there then you may as well mention Bohemian Grove

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    Jesus Christ gave EVERYTHING for the least of us.

    Yes that “everything” did not include anything coerced from others through tax laws.

    I appreciate you making my point for me. Keep going.

  • irrumabo

    anyone interested in biblical textual criticism should watch this lecture by Bart Ehrman.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MtilU1VRY

  • Anonymous

    Hey Osage,
    You are very wise and good. If only everyone understood true Christianity the way you do, there would be so much more peace and compassion in the world. The Repuglicans just don’t get it….

  • Anonymous

    Hey Osage,
    You are so right about what you said! If only the Republicans would have a true understanding of what Christ actually said (if they believe the Bible so much), the world would be a much more loving and compassionate place. Unfortunately, they think that he was just kidding when he said that we need to take care of those less fortunate.

  • Anonymous

    I think he just should have used the ancient Hebrew, and left the pasty white idiots around him seething and thinking that the guttural language spewing forth was Arabic.

  • Anonymous

    To the Fox viewing public– the drooling, mouth-breathing hand-walkers of America– there is only “The Bible”. On a certain level there’s no thinking going on which is deep enough to go into the nuance of different “versions” of the Bible. If the word of God is the inerrant, ultimate truth, how can there be different versions of that? If you’re Fox News and your job is to program as many people as possible to look the other way while the ownership class continues to devour the rest of us, you take the King James version, make that “The Bible”, tell your viewers the Black president uses something other than The Bible, therefore other than the true Word, therefore Satanic. That;s what the drugs are telling me anyway.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    my point (which you actually seemed to get) is that the actual words did not matter;

    Let’s see what I said after the nitpicking,

    I don’t really care except I think O’Bumbler does use his “Christianity” as a prop.

    Perhaps if you read what people said then you could have an actual conversation with them instead of trying to sound intellectual.

    Just a thought. Maybe I’m wrong. I’ll just ask you, then you can rant about something else.

  • RobertX

    Yeah I heard what you said: “I’m one of the faithful, mindless minions of Beck & Co. who believes anything that casts the President in an unfavorable light. If he walked on water, I’d be saying ‘O’Bumbler can’t swim’”

    I heard what you said; I simply chose to give you the benefit of the doubt. I’d bet that deep down, you believe he was born in Kenya, evidence be damned.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z7GMTWXF3W7RKZ4I2FJC7AESWM shadow

    Obama said himself that he is a muslim. He sat in Wright’s “hate America” spewing church for 20 years, and that is not Christian. As for the NIV, it was written to a fifth grade reading level. I personally prefer the ESV, but I certainly am glad there is an easier version for folks with less reading ability. That would include obama :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z7GMTWXF3W7RKZ4I2FJC7AESWM shadow

    You liberal Christians seem to think that Republicans want the poor to be poor and don’t care. No. They believe everyone should have an equal chance, but not to do nothing and have it handed to them. I live in a tiny apartment and drive a 14 year old car. I don’t expect the government to hand me a big house and a new car. Stop expecting it all free. Try living in the UK or even China, see how that government control works out for you.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, Who gave Fox News a bible? And isnt it typical they opened one just to try and bash the pres with it?

    Fox = Worthless

  • Anonymous

    Obama never said such a thing it’s a frigging misquote and the video often said to be proof was heavily edited to take out several sentences where Obama is talking about what others say about him not what he says his faith is.

    Wright never said anything any black pastor hasn’t said. Funny how in a test if you had wright’s speeches read by a white pastor the people would said the pastor didn’t hate America. If you had certain Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson sermons read by a black pastor and did the same test people would have said the black pastor would have hated America yet if the person saying those things is white then the pastor doesn’t hate the yes.

    Sorry kiddo bother to research what the NIV is. You have no idea what a reading grade level is.

    Most Republicans don’t read on a sixth grade reading level which is considered the easiest reading grade a level an adult should have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIV

  • Anonymous

    You live in a tiny world. Liberal Christian should be redundant, but alas, the 1700 year perversion on the man’s words has left us with just that, perversions. Liberals, progressives and their fellow travelers don’t expect things for free. The only people that believe that are those that occupy a tiny world, like yours.

  • Anonymous

    Care to provide a quote on that, little one…

  • Anonymous

    Of course you are correct that “versions” is not really the proper word to use in this context, but people come to the use of it honestly enough when seeing various translations labeled “KJV” (King James VERSION), “NIV” (New International VERSION), “RSV” (Revised Standard VERSION) and “NRSV” (New Revised Standard VERSION). ;)

  • Anonymous

    Wrong! Straw between the ears? “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21). JC was talking taxes. BTW, the oldest writings ever found, were in Egypt, dated roughly 5K years BCE, and it was a tax receipt. Taxes are the price of civilization, which the wingnuts are against. Taxes and civilization.

  • Anonymous

    I love the irony that came about when Constantine I developed the concept of the “Holy Roman Empire”, as unholy a melange as ever was. He did so to get a cheap army to go off and kill other Christians. The whole show would have just been a footnote to history, but for his need for Christian killers! And we are still stuck with the F ers.

  • Anonymous

    Yep, ole Guttenberg invented that movable type thingy. The Chinese who had been using it for a Millennium, forgot to get the patent. BTW, that Guttenberg press is in Mainz, Germany. It was one of the first things I went to see while there. It is v. cool…

  • Anonymous

    No “Maybe” to it..

  • Anonymous

    But, but, but wait! What about the Gnostic Gospels, they are so much more fun…

  • Anonymous

    It’s a great thing that those old desert religions swear off pig. Can you imagine the price of pork otherwise…

  • Anonymous

    Your right shadow. I live in a 14 year old apartment and drive a old car.

    China doesn’t even believe in Jesus because they don’t even have Christians there yet. And in the UK there are a lot of people who are famous rock stars but they don’t even have an airforce hardly even.

    And in UK they just got rid of Kings because when they had the American revolution and King George…not Bush ….King George.

  • Anonymous

    30 May 1982, New York Times, “On Language” by William Safire, pg. SM8:
    “That would have been appreciated by ‘Ma’ Ferguson, the Texas Governor,” writes the Rev. J. Carter Swaim, pastor emeritus of the Church of the Covenant near the United Nations in New York, “who, when Spanish was proposed as a second language for school in the Lone Star State, replied: ‘Not while I am Governor! If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it is good enough for Texas children.’”

  • Anonymous

    How is this a violation of separation of church and state. This was not a government function. POTUS did not speak on behalf of government.

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