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Georgia Republican’s bill would reclassify rape victims as ‘accusers’

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 16:32 EDT
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When is a rape victim legally a victim of rape?

According to a Georgia state representative, the term “victim” should be applied only after the accused has been convicted.

State Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta) recently introduced a bill mandating that not only victims of rape be re-classified as “accusers,” but victims of stalking, harassment, and family violence should as well.

If passed, the legislation [PDF] would amend state criminal law “in the context of a number of statutes making reference to circumstances where there has not yet been a criminal conviction; to provide for related matters; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.”

Critics said that they feared Franklin’s bill would decrease reports of rape, which is itself already an underreported crime [PDF], according to the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

“To be classified, off the bat, as an accuser instead of as a victim places one more barrier to reporting the crime to the authorities,” Amie Newman of RH Reality Check wrote recently.

Jennifer White, an attorney for the Family Violence Prevention Fund, told The Huffington Post that convictions of rape crimes are very tough to attain.

“I think it’s a sad reality that for some reason, it’s easier for society, in some respects, to believe that a victim would fabricate this type of crime than to believe that a person is capable of committing certain atrocities,” she said.

The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee pointed out that Franklin’s bill ignored a similar reclassification among a wide range of crimes pertaining to people’s private property.

“Burglary victims are still victims. Assault victims are still victims. Fraud victims are still victims,” the DLCC said in a advisory last week.

It continued, “But if you have the misfortune to suffer a rape, or if you are beaten by a domestic partner, or if you are stalked, Rep. Franklin doesn’t think you’ve been victimized. He says you’re an ‘accuser’ until the courts have determined otherwise.”

Newman, who called the bill “utterly misogynistic” and “hateful,” noted that Georgia ranks 11th in the nation for incidences of forcible rape, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

“You might want to focus on how to best protect those who live in your state – including young people, who are the most likely to be victims of sexual assault and rape – rather than protecting the ‘accused,’” she said.

 
 
 
 
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  • Guest

    I await the Raw Story Ladies’ comments on this one….
    (I agree in advance.)

  • Anonymous

    “Newman, who called the bill “utterly misogynistic” and “hateful,” noted that Georgia ranks 11th in the nation for incidences of forcible rape, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.”

    so here’s that word FORCIBLE again…

  • Anonymous

    In the American Nazis’ parallel universe, six million dead Jews and twenty million dead Russians are Hitler’s “accusers.” And over one million dead Iraqis are bu$h’s “accusers.” Hey, neither one stood trial, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Don’t forget about Mao’s 30 million dead Chinese, but who’s counting?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PHWJ7WC7MXSK66JZCMH7J4WRP4 Graham Russell

    So finally we will get back to innocent untill proven guilty, rather than uilty untill proven innocent.
    Newman, who called the bill “utterly misogynistic” and “hateful,”
    compared to misandry towards all men even if innocent.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LMXEWAXLGUABHQI3JKBYPYH7YY AB

    I’d like to have a little chat with all the females he’s encountered in his post-pubescent life. I have a feeling there would be more than one “accuser” in that cohort and that they feel like “victims”.

  • Namaste17

    What does this say to those inclined to sexually assault others (particularly children)? This must look like a tempting green light to them.
    That’s a horrible thought – I know. I KNOW!
    But I’m a mother. When I consider “where” and “when ” my children would be safest on any given day, I don’t flip a coin or throw a dart at the map; I stand in the shoes of someone who’s inclined to pursue them with malicious intent. I ask myself, “Where would I most likely get away with…..”
    I’m doing that now as I read this bullshit. This arrogant sonuvabitch Franklin is handing out free-passes to the sickest of the sick.
    This whole thing had better quickly become a catalyst to counter such potential legislation with ten times the OPPOSITE result. Georgians, get angry and tighten up your protection for all victims of sexual assault. Please!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DLLRFLTILUE3KLHQGM6WPK6VJU Brat!

    As a survivor of rape I can attest to the fact that not even one of my attackers were ever convicted because of the crappy laws that we have in North America. Just because the juries didn’t see sufficient “proof” that I was raped, doesn’t mean that it never happened. I have always, am now, and will always be a “VICTIM” of rape. I am not simply an accuser.

    Don’t you dare label me as an “accuser!” What an idiotic thing to even suggest! Maybe if State Rep. Bobby Franklin suffered a rape attack, and then tried to defend himself in our kangaroo court system just to be told that there is insufficient proof, he would understand the difference. In that instance he would therefore be nothing more than an accuser, even though he was in all actuality a “VICTIM!”

  • Anonymous

    I lament the fact that America is still home to such Neanderthals. With these kinds of individuals no wonder we never really make consistent and beneficial progress. We seem to take two steps forward and one step backward always ending up in the same old place of YESTERDAY!

  • Anonymous

    This is the same guy who wanted to get rid or drivers license in Georgia. Franklin stated that the licenses represented “oppressive times” and “licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people, because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right.” He further stated that the freedom of movement by operating an automobile should be open to all Americans, regardless of age or ability

  • justadood

    Welcome to Georgis, where the state government fervently wishes to become like Bangladesh… Treating women like Rape is their fault…. at least in GA they’re not whipping them to death for being raped……YET.

    Still, Georgia’s part of the Old South…..so the day’s still young…

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone checked his background to see if he was ever ‘accused’ or even any of his friends?

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone checked to see if he has ever been ‘accused’ or even if any of his good ol’ boy cronies have been?

  • http://twitter.com/Shamrocker Morgan

    State Rep. Bobby Franklin should have been ordained into the priesthood..snort-snort

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MAZWYUQJ3MCNPGWGTVNVLS5HAQ Joseph A

    Why am I not surprised this is: 1) a Republican, 2), happening in GA, and 3) a male.

  • DesertWren

    So now these crimes did not occur unless someone is convicted of committing them? Neat trick. I guess JFK wasn’t assassinated as no one was convicted of killing him.

    Just because nobody has been convicted of committing a crime doesn’t mean the crime didn’t happen and that there are no victims of that crime.

    EPIC LOGIC FAIL!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Purplegrass Tim de Phan

    So victims would be guilty before proven innocent. How backwards can one get?

  • Anonymous

    …and I thought Marietta was one of the more civilized towns in GA.

  • Ma’at

    Make no mistake about it, Conservatism is the enemy of humanity. Every single woman must vote and rid our society of the forced birthers. They see women as incubators ONLY.

  • http://www.BearRidgeTradingPost.com BigBearCO

    This is weird we are seeing this trend across the nation. Why?

    It kinda reminds me of the “Hand Maidens Tale” or at least the lead up to it. What next are they going to say women cannot have bank accounts, that wives are the property of husbands?

  • Anonymous

    I think what ever he is trying to say has already be dealt with and there is an
    established way of considering it. This guy should clear his ideas with an
    attorney or policeman before he opens his mouth.
    He is simply bringing up old ideas that are settled.
    And worse, with the way our uppity public servants don’t explain themselves or justify
    their positions, he is only creating new unknowns for the rest of us.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    This guy has a serious problem. I cannot believe anyone would propose such a bill. Certainly it will be knocked down quickly.

  • Anonymous

    So if the cops never find the rapist . . . . . where do these frickin’ morons comes from??

  • Anonymous

    Allow me a follow up comment: an analogy would be if your house is burglarized and the police don’t CATCH the burglar, you’re just an accuser . . . and can’t collect on your insurance????

  • enorceht

    sort of like before elections i can only accuse the repugs and t’bgrs of greed and stupidity, but after the elections i am victimized by their greed and stupidity

  • Anonymous

    Gee, he’s from Marietta…home of Larry McDonald and Newt Gingrich! The same county that lost the Olympic Volleyball competition in 1996 b/c of some stupid anti-gay resolution.
    I figure he’s either a spousal abuser, or is abused by his “fat and psychopathic wife who would thrash him within inches of his life” (apologies to Pink Floyd).
    Folks like him make me tell people I’m not from Georgia!

  • Anonymous

    B/c religious conservatism reduces the female to chattel – a commodity no different than cows, pigs, chickens and slaves. The male (preferably white) is omnipotent and has the power of life and death over the female. It’s eerily similar to radical Islam!

  • Anonymous

    Oh no, my brother! They are as racist as they come! There’s a pub on the square that sells all sorts of racist anti-Obama crap! The only good thing Marietta has is Theater In The Square – an oasis of liberality in the middle of a bunch of Palin worshippers!

  • Anonymous

    I think I’ll find a nice big fella to “introduce” the idea of rape, firsthand, to Bubba Bobby! Then, we’ll see how HE likes being the “accuser!”

  • Anonymous

    Another right wing nut job who doesn’t use the brains god gave him.

    So if we follow the logic on this, any ‘victim’ of a crime like assault with a gun robbery should be called an accuser until they can prove that a crime was committed.

  • Anonymous

    Just gotta love those GOP “family values”. Fucking cold hearted bastards.

  • Anonymous

    Me thinks that the georgian is concerned for his or his sons chances in a court of law. Problems ahead? Problems behind?

  • Anonymous

    Oh Great Spirit, please make it stop. Release us from this evil right wing curse

  • llkernj

    Amazing that any woman would vote for this party of neanderthals. And don’t tell me this is “one guy, so don’t paint them all that way”. Bullshit. Do a Google search and see just how much the modern GOP hates women.

  • Anonymous

    To Whomever,
    And YOU voted for this guy? Pity, Pity, Pity!

  • Anonymous

    I bet this guy has some skeletons in his closet.

  • Anonymous

    The Republican’s fantasy of what they are doing to the people of this nation.

    It’s a Freudian slip of Repubican’s tongue that wants this nation to be called accusers instead of victim.

    Republican holding down the statue of Liberty while the Corporation Rapes her.

  • Lincoln Paradox

    If you believe the Hopi elders, you just need to wait until June 21, 2012.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. You are only an accuser until proven. We need to protect the rights of EVERYONE until they ARE CONVICTED of a CRIME. Don’t like what I wrote? Then you do not like RULE OF LAW. Get over it. This guy is cutting edge and probably a victim of false accusations, so he is returning some BALANCE to our legal system.

  • Anonymous

    These people have to be stopped. This has gone entirely too far.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, everyone that “appears” to be a victim of a crime should be considered an accuser. Just because someone is injured and appears robbed does not mean they are a victim. An INVESTIGATION and CONVICTION will lead to a logical conclusion. Handing out feel good labels at the beginning has nothing to do with actually solving a “situation” logically and FAIRLY.
    None of the poster’s I have read here could win a debate on the position’s they are taking on this article.

    Dont’ forget to THINK!

  • Anonymous

    Accuser’s are victim’s after an investigation. I guess you like mob rule, instead of rule of law.

    Don’t forget to THINK!

  • Anonymous

    By the way attacking the idea’s of this Georgia’s Rep on the basis of where he is from is not exactly “enlightened” or “liberal”. Its just plain ignorant to attack the man instead of trying to prove the ideas false or true.

    Don’t forget to THINK!

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the new Republican/Tea Party World and it’s nutters. Now one could only wonder if Senator Franklin might think differently if he were raped and had to be called the accused. But with elected insane Law Makers what else can be expect.

  • Anonymous

    And here I thought Republicans were against Sharia law…

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    I completely agree. If someone accuses Julian Assange of rape and Julian Assange is not convicted of rape, his accusers deserve the title of rape accusers.

    If someone isn’t convicted of a crime, they shouldn’t be treated as a criminal. And if someone accuses another of a crime, they are an accuser unless it goes to court and they win. Amongst their friends and family they might be a victim but under the law they should be an accuser.

  • dk504

    I think this asshole forgot to add the “What was she wearing”? addendum to his charming cave man misogyny. He needs to crawl back under his rock and never come out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    This is a good example of why the Repubs cannot hold on to their temporary take overs of the House or Senate. They govern like complete idiots.

  • Anonymous

    I’m confused, if I was a raped I become a victim, that status remains regardless of an identified rapist. If someone is arrested he is innocent until proven guilty.

  • Anonymous

    If someone is raped they are a victim, this status does not project guilt on the accused.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Not really since the propensity of Repugnants from the South to be Batshit crazy is a FACT!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    That assertion fails all logic. If I have been robbed you do not need to find and convcit the crimanl to change my status.

    Similarly if the rape examination shows severe bruising and or signs of having been drugged or the victim is under age then the facts are established that a CRIME has taken place. There is no need to even find the perp to be classified as a victim.

    Do they even teach logic in Georgia schools?

  • Winski

    What do you expect?? It’s Georgia… home of Saxby Chambliss, that clown-boy Kingston and others that believe the calendar is a lie and it’s really only 1850…

    Franklin kinda sounds like Beeek… Both have just recommend or written legislation for subjects that ‘normal’ people usually get mediation prescribed for….lithium !!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Probably is an unreproted “accuser”!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    If I steal your car you are a victim regardless if I get caught.

    Why is that so hard for you to accept?

  • Anonymous

    True; there is the rape victim and the person accused of rape. The victim is typically the one doing the accusing, but these small, simple-sounding changes only serve to delay or even prevent justice for the victim. The accused is the accused regardless of the name we label the person who was raped; he or she will then be found innocent or guilty. The person raped, however, will always be the victim.

    I’d almost say that, once again the GOP are trying to get multiple rapes for the price of one.

  • Ma’at

    Republicans HATE women. They hate them. They think they are merely incubators. The GOP and the Taliban are soul brothers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UAYWWQ6PIS523OZNUGILXEGOPU Patty

    Why any woman would continue to live in a Red State is beyond me. My advice? Flee. Flee now. With the Repugs trying to ‘Redifine’ rape and assault, it’s your only chance to flee the backward, ignorant Religious Right.

  • Taleisin

    There are times when someone is falsely accused of rape.
    However this debate on terminology is simply muddying the waters. Usually when I am found to be talking shit, I shut up.
    The Repubs are only trying to back out of a stupid situation they have found themselves. This was originally about refusing abortions to underage rape victims. Let us not forget that.
    Maybe they should just shut up.

  • Anonymous

    How do we know you have been robbed? If you weren’t robbed but you were perpetrating insurance fraud, why do you deserve the label of victim? When a house burns down is the owner automatically a victim?

    Most of the posters are using circular arguments to try and “prove” their point. Your post is no different.

  • Anonymous

    Not true, calling the accuser a victim before an investigation is premature and should be determined by an investigation. 98% of the posters are getting this wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently they do not teach logic in any schools, if this comment thread is fair sampling of our educated citizens!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCMA5PJTVIOV6RTJT2OMVZK634 Richard

    These right wing teabag a–holes are unbeliveable in thier ignorance, maybe they need to be bent over and ravaged and have to deal with it, One can only hope

  • maritimer

    I think it’s time to go “egypt” on these smarmy bastards.

  • maritimer

    Before you try to debate anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip, learn to use and when not to use apostrophes.

  • Anonymous

    I just dont know whats wrong with the GOP? Can they really be this stupid? Why are they alienating women?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2STGGXBCB7JSCVM3BSG2SNVPRY N

    If I accuse you of rape, what makes me a victim?

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    redrum state,redrum Rep.,redrum party

  • Rosa Louisa

    Because they would rather have us women know our “place” and go back to how we were in the 1940′s and 1950′s. When we were all good little house wives and did everything that men told us to and not have a mind of our own…

  • Anonymous

    As the religious right gains, misogyny runs rampant. Sad to say, it is not just in this state, but country-wide.And frankly, “women” like Palin and Bachman only fuel it. Could we run backwards any faster?

  • Anonymous

    What can anyone expect from a state that elects a mass murderer of chickens as governor. Snapping chicken beaks with a red hot iron while the birds are alive is a Perdue signature procedure.

  • Anonymous

    Murder victims should be called “proxy complainants” until the murderer has been convicted. Before that how can you prove they’re dead?

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    I want to understand what you are trying to say,but find my abilities far below what’s required by you. You want rape to be a civil suit and not a crime but it has been deemed a criminal act and it is sad that the victim has to be seen as an accuser as well as a victim of a crime. An accuser alleges that a crime was committed and seeks to prove the accused committed the crime, in a rape the crime has already been established and the accuser is no longer a witness but a victim as well. The term victim identifies the accuser and the victim as one and the same and gives no room for doubt that a crime was committed. Without the VICTIM being refered to as a victim it becomes a civil despute..

  • Anonymous

    Where in HELL do they get these crackpots? He’s today’s GOP’s idiot du jour.

  • Anonymous

    HEY YO Bobby. You can help get your state into the top 10.

    Sometimes it is hard not to judge based only on looks. There is something up with this one. It sure looks like someone who would resent women. Let Go Bobby, plenty of our elected officials have a closet that is bursting at the seams. If it just simply having been rejected too often by women you can use a professional to help you learn how to behave around women and maybe get you gay friends to help with clothes and hair style.

  • http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/ Big Dan

    So when are American women going to rise up against the Republicans?

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    Why is it all these Teatard repressed dickwads have the same Stepford stare like Michelle-Bachmann-in-the-headlights? And why most of the men are so obsessed with rape? Another ‘love-the-fetus-hate-the-baby’ far-right fundamentalist Xianist nut job – or should i just say “Republican”? Then i don’t have to add in racist-fascist-mother-f*cker.

  • Anonymous

    This is going to get a lot weirder. Obama lost my vote and there is no way he is going to get the turn-out that elected him last time. This don’t end till granny’s money is attached, education gets cut and we have Xe on the streets keeping order under direction of the Fatherland Security. It will get interesting when the armed christian zealots get the idea that the whole rature thing just doesn’t quite work the way they thought.

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    Wait, are you saying this ISN’T about jobs? But I thought the American people talked to The Orange Boner and specifically told him that they wanted jobs, and he promised to make it his party’s primary goal.

    So when do they start? Spring of 2012?

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    If Repiglickkkans hate women, then how come they have so many affairs with them even though they married another one? Oh, that’s right, because they cleared it with their god and their spouse and their pastor/priest/rabbi/imam and they agreed it was okay. This douchebag needs to spend 30 days as a rape counselor.

  • Anonymous

    free pussy, housekeeping and nanny service. that’s what its all about.

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    and they’re also focused on getting jobs for the American people whom they talked to.

  • Taleisin

    Jobs? Jobs? This is about Obama, not jobs. They are too busy to worry about the unemployed. They have a country to run. ;) I am sure they will get onto unemployment as soon as there is a Repub in the White house.
    (The Orange Boner? That is not a pretty image.)

  • Anonymous

    Then why doesn’t his bill apply to all crimes and not just rape related?

  • Anonymous

    If this tea-tard ever when to prison, he would be the accuser a lot. Also, with a face like his,
    that would be the first time he’s had sex with anyone besides himself or horses.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R37UM43PITK7QU5SHTDWSU7SNA emme

    It amazes me that he has the balls to actually present this as a legitimate option to the law. He is a misogynist and there is no believable defense for his stance. Why are we so afraid to call those who hate bigots? It is a war on women and minorities. My only solace is that in 25 years he will be dead and a younger more tolerant generation will take over.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R37UM43PITK7QU5SHTDWSU7SNA emme

    I wish that the rapture was true…because then the planet would be free of all these hateful “believers”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R37UM43PITK7QU5SHTDWSU7SNA emme

    you should change your screen name to Seatlletinker….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DLLRFLTILUE3KLHQGM6WPK6VJU Brat!

    Yes, I was actually raped, and more than once, so thank-you for your kind words.

    I agree with you completely … those who falsely accuse another of rape should be dealt with harshly. Liars only undermine all the hard work that rape survivors have done to bring true justice to the abused. Far too many sexual assailants get off with a slap on the wrist, if they even get that much. Our laws and courts are much too lenient when it comes to sexual attacks. Instead of concentrating their investigative efforts on finding out the truth, they begin with attacking the morals of the victim in an effort to discredit her story. We get raped a second time … this time by the courts and the defense attorney. It’s disgraceful!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.aiken2 Tom Aiken

    This little puppy would also allow hospital emergency rooms to refuse emergency contraception and later an abortion itself because there is no “victim” assigned. Neat trick.

  • Anonymous

    What a slimey bastard. It’s bad enough that a rape victim’s whole sex life is dragged out in the open during a trial-now this. The term “alleged” has always been used to describe a defendent until guilt or innocence was deceided by the courts.That has been good enough until this point and time. I have the feeling this is just another step toward trying to ban abortion altogether-which is a hell of a lot more important than creating jobs I guess.Some idiots on the right sure do have their priorities screwed up.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad you enlightened me on that. And I thought about getting a job there a few years back too.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how he’d feel if he was stalked, assaulted and left in an alley with a copy of this bill on his chest.

    And that doesn’t remotely compare with rape, no matter what kind it is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDLMNDXUGUXAN5RADM4A5MZLZ4 Bstee

    This all assumes you know your rapist. As a father, or a mother I want anyone who claims to agree with this fool to say they would agree with the following…your little daughter is raped. Her rapist is never caught, if he is never caught, or suppose he is caught, you catch him, as a father yo catch a grown man in the act of raping your child (sorry to be graphic), you live in Texas or Arizona so of course you pull out your gun and and kill said rapist. He is dead. He will never stand trial. Now tell me this, was your daughter a victom of rape? Under this law, she was not and never would be a victom of rape she would only be an accuser as her rapist would never stand trial and be convicted. Try telling that to your 10 year old daughter, your 9, 8 or 7 year old. And if she is not a victom I supose you can tell her basically she never really was raped right? Good luck raising that child.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    It is you who is driving in a circle.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    This bill automatically assumes the women are LYING.

    If you make an honest accusation you ARE a victim.

    Now you might say that “the point” of this bill is to separate out the women who just “think” they have been a victim of sexual assault from those attacks where there was a witness….oh damn what would you call them?

    Or for that matter what would you call the DEAD women that was raped and then murdered or murdered and then raped?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    I got news for you the Victim is not always the accuser! In the instance of statatory rape the State is the accusor!

  • Anonymous

    There are lots of rapists out there in the big wide world.
    Would one of them please rape this guy — let’s see if he still sings the same tune after.

  • Anonymous

    This all makes sense for the GOP’s plan to stop abortions. Even if, on the night of the rape, someone is arresed. They plead not guilty and wait months and months for a trial. Even if the trial occurs as quickly as 5-6 months after the rape, the “victim” can’t be considered a victim until after conviction. By then it would be too late to legally get an abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Sounds like they are rapists themselves who know if tried would be found not guilty because they’re famous.

    “LIKE” if you think these Republicans are f*cking rapist retards who just exist to reverse real progress.

  • http://twitter.com/G3nki_Sudo Vajid Ali

    he’s already in a public toilet somewhere greased up with KY waiting to get raped

  • tsuki

    I now know what “I want my country back” means. The GOP wishes to return to the 1950s when lynching and raping were considered activities, not felonies.

  • Anonymous

    They have a country to run – into the ground.

  • Anonymous

    The RULE OF LAW is a joke in this country, if it weren’t we’d have a lot of the bush administration in prison right now.

  • Taleisin

    At least there is one thing they are good at. :)

  • Anonymous

    So if the rapist is never caught then you were never a victim?

  • Anonymous

    Many rapes go unreported, for a variety of reasons. An unreported rape doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, if an “investigation” isn’t conducted doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The person raped is the victim, why is that so hard for you to understand?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    i don’t understand… is “victim” a term with legal meaning? are people classified as “victims” under current laws?

  • Anonymous

    Funny how the self-proclaimed party of “liberty” is always so eager to dictate to the rest of us what to do in situations that are none of their damn business.

  • http://newyorkbrits.blogspot.com/ Sewollef

    To break this down:

    Scenario 1: A woman is attacked by an assailant; the woman is raped; doctors can of course medically confirm when sex has been forced [ie. rape has been committed]; therefore the woman has been a VICTIM of rape. She subsequently accuses the perpetrator of this act of violence – of which she has verifiably been a VICTIM. She is therefore a VICTIM of this crime.

    Scenario 2: A deranged right-wing nutjob pulls a gun in a parking lot where a meeting is taking place; numerous people are hit with rounds fired by the assailant in this act of violence; the people are VICTIMS of gunshot wounds [or worse]; the authorities accuse the perpetrator of murder and attempted murder.

    In GOPland: in Scenario 1, the person is an accuser, in Scenario 2 they are victims.

    This ‘bill’ will be struck down the first time a defence lawyer attempts to use it in a rape case.

    This is nothing more than an attack on women’s rights, plain and simple. It should not stand.

  • Anonymous

    Once again, this state shows itself to be a backwater of ignorance and idiocy. I live here and have a hard time understanding how anyone can vote these crteins into office.

  • Anonymous

    because they hate us. that’s why. scalia already said women don’t have constitutional rights. these toads are just following his lead.

  • Anonymous

    if one but could. due to silly things like the crashed housing market, if you own a home in this backward part of the nation, you’re stuck unless you have money. if you don’t own anything, i suspect it would be easier. frankly, if i could sell out, i’d move to another country. preferably one in which people, not corporations have actual rights.

  • Anonymous

    honey the south is full of batshit crazy people. unfortunately so is the north, the east and the west. we can sit here all day and vent, but until we get off our collective arses and actually. physically do SOMETHING about this sort of batshitness, nothing is going to change. May I suggest getting involved with the local and state political process, just lie these batshit crazy people have? They have been really successful at getting themselves elected. They didn’t get into office by chance. they worked for it.

  • Anonymous

    unfortunately, if it were true, these people would be stuck here, just like the majority of us. just because they believe doesn’t mean they are heaven bound according to the scriptures. the Bible says many will be fooled and never make it to heaven because they follow false prophets.

  • Anonymous

    no. they teach football.honest. critical thinking was left behind with the “No Child Left Behind” act.

  • mjcc1987

    Republican family values at its best. True christian warmth, compassion, and understanding.

    Unless you are black, brown, gay, female, non-evangelical christian, asian, yada yada yada

  • mjcc1987

    In republican/bagger world, a women needs to take responsibility for her actions and stop playing the victim.

    If she didn’t ware that dress……………

  • Anonymous

    Will someone remind this idiot that if one is raped one is a victim of rape whether or not the raper is ever accused, caught, tried or convicted.

  • Anonymous

    Wether or not any one is convicted a crime has still been commited. Corpus delecti produces a victim every time but not always a prisoner.

  • http://newyorkbrits.blogspot.com/ Sewollef

    A medical examination will prove conclusively whether sex was forced or not. This is a verifiably proven technique in all forensics. Therefore if the ‘accuser’ has verifiable proof that she has been forcibly raped… or to put it another, more accurate way, has been a VICTIM of violence against her person, then she IS a victim whether you like the term or not.

    Once the act of violence has been committed against a woman, it can be conclusively proven that the act was one of violence.

    And more to the point, whether a perpetrator is found or not… whether the woman even knows who did this act, she will always remain a victim of this crime. For the rest of her life she will have been a VICTIM of a violent crime against her person. You can’t change that, because it’s a FACT to go along with her status as a VICTIM of that crime.

  • Guest

    The problem is you’re calling someone a “raper” before they have been convicted. We are all innocent until proven guilty.

  • http://twitter.com/DocC3 Tanya Castiglione

    No, this appears to be whether a rapist is named or not.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dermezel Megaprole

    I wonder how many once made up/joke arguments they will actually use:

    http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/

    Whats the big deal?

    The 2010 Franken Senate Defense Appropriations Amendment overreaches into the business of private enterprise. Defense contractors are a part of the functioning free market; not the Federal Government. A handful of isolated assaults is no reason to summon the interference of the Federal Government and Congress. This amendment interferes with the privacy of companies and the ability of our defense contractors to effectively conduct the business of protecting America from terrorism.

    Why are the courts involved?

    The American justice system, with its activist judges are yet again interfering with our privacy. By forcing these employees to go through the courts, this amendment allows too many small incidences to burden our tax payers and our criminal justice system. According to Halliburton, the vast majority of employees who participate in internal arbitration end up victorious and compensated for their damages. Since the company is clearly capable, willing, and good at self regulating its internal affairs, why are we getting courts involved? This is going to only burden American tax payers, and force needless navigation through bureaucracy and paperwork!”

    All this talk of rape and getting the Government involved where it has no business makes me mad enough to hit a fellow over the head with a 10-pound King James Bible!

    Remember- Just cause some libby girl from the Victim Culture cries rape does not mean we need Big Government to intervene. We should let the Free Market decide. Maybe we’ll see some Invisible Hands and get a little bit of a Trickle.

    BTW I highlighted all the right buzz words and made “Federal Government” look nice and scary for the right.

    I’ll even make libertard arguments: Markets will regulate against rape because companies which allow their employees to rape each other will get less customers due to a bad reputation among women (does the left even realize half of all customers are women? huh?!) and also it will have a bad effect on workplace morale. Ultimately this company will be less profitable in the long-run and may even go out of business so will self-correct their behavior with no Government involved. Indeed Government involvement might even increase the rates of rape, because of all the red tape that will be involved.

    /end sarcasm mode. Just be thankful they did not call it the War of Woman’s Aggression or North American Triangular Trade-Like Events or something.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dermezel Megaprole

    Oh shit I was beaten to it: “Critics said that they feared Franklin’s bill would decrease reports of rape, which is itself already an underreported crime [PDF], according to the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

    “To be classified, off the bat, as an accuser instead of as a victim places one more barrier to reporting the crime to the authorities,” Amie Newman of RH Reality Check wrote recently.”

    The libertards already have an argument. More government “regulation” of rape means more rape because people will be less likely to accuse knowing Big Government is gonna come in and take away all their freedoms!

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    The thing is, we have the get the word out about such reprehensible activities because you can be sure Fox News isn’t (nor will NBC, CBS, ABC…).

  • Anonymous

    They are the party of corporate liberty. They couldn’t care less about us.

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    You’re talking nonsense. So, you’re saying that if you rape someone and happen to have a really good lawyer, you aren’t a rapist? It sounds like you’re being naive because you seem to be assuming that ‘getting off’ automatically means that a crime hasn’t been convicted.

    So, you see, a person can be a ‘victim’ of rape despite what verdict is reached in court, though that would change under the way of doing such things that you seem to advocate.

    In other words, the act of rape isn’t bad enough, as far as you’re concerned; They can’t even be ‘victims.’

    Rape victims seem to suffer beyond the crime itself, so why not rob them of what little dignity they have because if they weren’t victims, they brought it on themselves.

    In other words, they deserved what happened to to them.

  • Anonymous

    What a diifferent world this would be if men stood as great a chance of getting raped as women and if it was men who got pregnant. Sigh…..

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    Interesting tag, though your reply proves you don’t think all that much. How does calling a person a ‘victim’ of rape suddenly mean that the person whom they accuse is automatically guilty?

    Rape is a crime, therefore they are victims. That being said, I think other posters are right when they assume that there’s more going on here than is visible on the surface.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see how this ass of “State” Senator feels when his wife and daughter gets raped. I’m sure they’ll be just “accusers.” Sorry friggin Republicans…and you call yourselves conservative and christian. All I have to say is this – everyone in this “terds” district needs to ask for his seat and put up someone with common sense.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZURVEQCQ2Y3Z4FXOKVGZXEBUUU Clarence Laliberte

    No one calls is legally called a killer, a thief or a rapist until they have been convicted, but the crime is still there. The laws against filing a false police report are on the books. A fake is usually found out. For a party that is so ready to play the victim at every opportunity this is hypocritical

  • Guest

    I think the author of the bill felt like the label of victim supposes that the other party is a victimizer. I can see that point of view.

    I prefer “the accused” and the “accuser” myself, it’s more neutral as it should be before anything has been proven. I think many would agree if they weren’t so wrapped up in the professional wrestling charade also known as American politics.

  • Guest

    A sick-*ss MF. There’s a place for people like this creep, and it’s not anywhere a decent, sane person wants to be.

  • Ron1127

    So, this bill will disallow abortions for victims of rape untill the rapist is convicted?

    Disgusting

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    This is really a TSA protection bill, haha.

    Seriously tho, we used to do this when ‘innocent til proven guilty’ was still in fashion.

  • Anonymous

    Aside from the obvious injustice, what pisses me off is that is seems like it’s always MEN who come up with these abortion restrictions. Can anyone name a woman who has introduced restrictive abortion legislation? It’s like a tribal thing, the chief wants to protect his baby production facilities (wombs) to make more little warriors, like he owns them.

  • Anonymous

    “Burglary victims are still victims. Assault victims are still victims. Fraud victims are still victims,” the DLCC said in a advisory last week.”

    And Repukes like this guy are still considered ASSHOLES among the people I know!

  • Anonymous

    He’s already there my friend.

  • Anonymous

    Look up the old site armchairsubversives.com Pages of republicans busted for sex with minors and other offenses. of course they dont want anyone being a victim

  • Eyeball_Kid

    The idea is logically sound but morally and politically reprehensible. The term, “victim” does not assign civil liability to the defendant/accused, but it does institutionalize a specific and compassionate status to the victims, the great majority of whom need it.

    Franklin’s proposal is red meat to his misogynist base. He’s a big hit with the women in his district.

  • Anonymous

    It seems to me that the question is not “who done” but that a crime was commited…….
    Oh, and “innocent til proven guilty” has not been in fashion in my lifetime.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the personal attack. Back to the issue though, how do you know that someone has been raped? If I am a victim of rape, I know it has occurred, but how does law enforcement, the courts and medical professionals know a rape has occurred. Are the accuser’s in the Julian Assange case “victims” or accusers?. When someone claims to be victim, evidence will vary and it needs to be investigated without unhelpful, illogical labels like “victim”.

    Actually calling the alleged victim of rape a “victim” actually seems cruel to me. Since their claims do still need to be investigated, calling them a victim before the end of the investigation may give them false hope.

    At the risk of undermining my own argument, its important to remember law enforcement normally does not **automatically believe anyone”.

    If so called “rape victims” do not get automatic belief from our system of justice, why give them a “feel good” name like victim, when it does not even reflect the reality of what goes on in a criminal investigation.

    Don’t forget to THINK!

  • Anonymous

    You just proved my argument(or we were always in complete agreement). I said you should not call someone a victim before an investigation. Forensics would be part of an investigation. The accuser would become a victim after an investigation (possibly including forensics) has “proven” the accuser is victim of a crime.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    You are one sick and twisted MALE puppy!

    Do you have a mother, sister, wife or daughter? I wonder what they would think of your post?

  • Anonymous

    Our law makers are responsible to setting up laws to govern how crimes are investigated. The article above is about when our legal system calls someone a victim. I am not claiming there is no unreported rape, I am not claiming rape does not happen. However a crime cannot be recognized as occurring by the gov’t if there is no investigation. I am not concerning myself with what the accuser thinks about what has occurred.

  • Anonymous

    Prove it.

  • Anonymous

    Personal attacks are not a logical reply to an argument.

  • Anonymous

    So let me see if I understand this correctly. I am walking to my car and three guys jump me, beat the shit out of me, steal my money, and leave me for dead. I am now not a victim of a violent crime but merely an accuser? You mean to tell me that if they are never caught and convicted, the crime never occurred? What fucking alternate reality are you living in? My being a victim of a crime is completely separate from whether someone is actually accused of the crime. When they are actually arrested and brought to court then they become accused and I become the accuser. If they are found innocent of the crime it does not mean that the crime did not happen..it simply means that either they were not the ones who actually committed the crime or there was not enough evidence to convict them. That is the rule of law dimwit.

  • Anonymous

    No you are wrong. Rape is not assumed to have happened. It is investigated like any other crime. There is often room for doubt about anyone’s story, anytime.

    Because the alleged crime is rape, every word from the alleged victim’s mouth should be assumed to be true and they should be given the label of victim without an investigation.

    Try this Rebecca, apply your argument to any other apparent crime. Like a robbery, if I call the police and say my TV was stolen, was it stolen or am I committing insurance fraud? When am I the victim and when is an insurance company a victim.

    The more horrible the crime, the more of “mob” we become. Really don’t forget to THINK.

  • Anonymous

    So what do you call someone who has been robbed? Are they not a victim of robbery? How do the cops know that a robbery actually happened? Why should they be called the victim of a robbery until it is actually proven that there was a real robbery? I cannot follow your logic.

  • Anonymous

    Any woman who voted for one of these jackasses should be ashamed of herself.

  • Anonymous

    This jack wagon is the same representative that wants to do away with drivers licenses in the state of Georgia. We have some real problems in this state and this half wit refuses to address any real issues. Let’s defend rapists. Good plan. How about our budget crisis or the fact we almost ran out of water in Atlanta not too long ago or the traffic problem that produces a smog problem. Nope, lets coddle rapists.

  • Anonymous

    No KY for the guy.
    Just every perv in town (a big town) taking his turn.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    You are right about the dispersal of stupidity but I still say the South has a corner on the market.

    The good news is that we liberals here in Oregon have run the crazies out of elected office. Our state has not elected a GOP governor in 26 years and only one Repugnant to statewide office in 20 years.

    I would say that we are a preview of the GOP future for the country. The social crazies took a hold of the GOP in the late 80′s and ran the moderates out. Since then unless you were a hardcore conservative you couldn’t win a GOP primary which has translated to guaranteed general election defeat.

    Of course we have isolated rural areas where the Repugnants have completely convinced the populace that a small government is going to allow the private sector to flourish and provide jobs. Sadly even after 20 years of a rural recession the rednecks still believe that government is the problem!

  • Anonymous

    It’s the same men that walk around screaming there is too much government intervention in our lives. The drivers license is too much of an infringement on your life,but,if a woman wants or needs an abortion the government should make that decision. Hypocrites!

  • Anonymous

    Let’s call murder victims accusers from beyond and we can call home invasion victims unwanted guest havers.

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    ‘Il bacio del tutti baci’ (The Kiss of Death)…..thanks Dick.

  • Anonymous

    Once again SC thanks another state for deflecting attention from some of the morons we have by their display of morons of such extreme magnitude that that the moron bar is set way too high for our lower grade morons to achieve any notoriety.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    So I’m standing on a corner in broad daylight on a busy street and a guy walks up and puts a gun in my face and demands my wallet. After he runs away I’m a victim. IF… If they catch him in COURT I am the accuser. You and Billy Bob seem to think that one cannot be a victim unless there is a conviction and that simply does not match the definition of victim.

    If an underage girl has sex with an adult she is defacto a victim. In court the STATE is the accuser and they only have to prove that sex occurred with or without the cooperation of the underage victim.

    You need to realize of that there is another side to the Mobius strip you are driving on. Like the side of the strip there is a separation of status determined by TIM E. FIRST one becomes a victim of a crime then assuming an arrest is made and charges brought one becomes an accuser. Without a person in custody one cannot be an accuser.

    Additionally, criminals ARE convicted of crimes where the witness/accuser is NOT the victim therefore the term accuser is not reserved for the victim.

  • Anonymous

    On point.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3WYAWTN4LJ2TAZGFCL3U4H6AWM TheGuru

    We now have the latest in Repug/Tea Party Newspeak translation. Whatever they can dream up to curtail woman’s rights. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

  • Anonymous

    Apples and oranges.

    Someone who was shot, is obviously a victim, whether or not a shooter is ever accused of anything. Once accused, that person still is technically ‘innocent til proven guilty’.

    This jerkwad pictured at the top of the article, is indeed a misogynist, as his emphasis is to codify, the misogynist predisposition, that a woman who is raped somehow asked for it.

    It’s that old fashioned Biblical fear of women.

    You can just see it in his eyes.

    .

  • cannotvote

    What is wrong with these people? Absolutely friggin’ amazing!

  • K7KTR

    I wish no ill will on this idiot, but I hope he is gang raped and then tries to show who the “victims” were so that he is politically correct in being a “accuser” in this case. This reminds me of where I just read where another idiot said “Men can’t be raped.”
    What gets me the most out of this entire story is that other idiot’s voted for him. If YOU being the later, You have hope… You can change that next election. We all have to admit we make mistakes at times and this election was one of yours. However, If your proud that you have a man in office that is going to change laws that will affect those that are raped let me give you a FACT to consider. America is the 5th Largest Country. Of that, We house most of the worlds population behind Bars. 1 of ever 100 Homes has a family member in Jail or Prison. By changing the laws it may only benefit YOU by keeping your family member out of Jail but take the LIFE of one of the other 99 that are not breaking the law.
    If this offends you, Move to a Country where they Stone you or Cut Off off your Limbs.
    I am a Sexual Abuse Survivor.

  • Anonymous

    If an anonymous person, drops a 100 pound sack of bullshit on your head, and breaks your neck, you’re a victim of someone having dropped a 100 pound sack of bullshit on your head.

    Thus, we are all victims of your post, but no one really knows who to accuse.

  • Anonymous

    What do you expect from a state that is secretly living in the dark ages – and would MUCH happier if we’d revert to the biblical philosophies of stoning the raped, allowing relatives to have sex with and marry their kin, women stay barefoot and pregnant, the church tells you what women can do ( abide by the will of man) and not do (speak) and men make ALL the decisions in the home, in the state, in the federal government and with God… who ever she might be.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    There must be something in the water in the south that makes people into right wing crazies…

  • Anonymous

    I guess people murdered by firearms will now be “bullet receivers. “

  • Anonymous

    A lab analysed rape kit can be presumptive positive proof of rape, if the suspect is never identified are you saying that a crime was never committed and therefore no victim? BTW this is not a political statement only the opinion of Law Enforcement…….

  • Anonymous

    The “blame the victim” mentality couldn’t be any more transparent. They are literally trying to turn the victim of the crime into the attacker.

    This reveals some conservatives’ inability to accept the objective reality of rape and sexual assault. The fact that the identity of the perpetrator has not been legally established is not a reason to deny the reality of the crime.

  • Anonymous

    By your logic, if someone stabbed you, ran off, and was never caught, you wouldn’t really be a victim of stabbing.

  • Anonymous

    Learn how to pluralize a noun correctly, non-thinker.

  • Anonymous

    Thy don’t get pregnant but they do get raped.Talk about an unreported crime.

  • Anonymous

    Must have been a tough divorce.

  • Anonymous

    Calling someone a raper is wrong until there is a conviction and forensic examination can establish if someone has been raped. It’s not exactly normal sex you know. The issue then as in most cimes is wether the accused did it. The victim is still a victim.

  • Anonymous

    Or a rape victim.

  • Anonymous

    I think they want to go farther back then that even.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    OK, I’LL try do do better,we have a court system and the accused has a chance to prove that they are the victim and have been falsely accused,no mob mentality,just facts and a decision that the rape accusation carries more weight by law in the case of error than the cry “I didn’t do it.” Rape carries a burden of proof just as any crime and DNA as well as the other evidence is usually collected and often it takes years for justice to be had. I THINK

  • Anonymous

    If I were from the south I’d probably be just like them but if by chance I was not, I would seek politiacal asylum else where.

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    How about starting to THINK (because you clearly haven’t gotten down the concept yet.). Btw, do we have ‘mob rule’ now? If not, what the Hell are you talking about.

  • Anonymous

    Jimmy Carter said the rest of America is beginning to think just like the south. He didn’t mean it as a compliment.

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    Does he include immigrants, especially Spanish-speaking ones, in that ‘freedom’ he speaks of? For some reason I think not

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    How much false accusing for rape do you think goes on? I can recall two cases (Tawana Brawley and members of a college team that were accused of raping a stripper) that were in the news, but nothing else.

    I suspect that the amount of people, particularly women, that are victims of rape far outweigh those that are ‘calling wolf.’

  • Anonymous

    Yes. The man is the head of the household and all that.

  • Anonymous

    The crime rate plunges overnight.

  • Anonymous

    Yesterday. When all our troubles seemed so far away.

  • Anonymous

    Republicans want to rape your children with impunity.

  • Guest

    “presumptive positive proof”? Is that a legal term that means someone is guilty? If not, why are you using it?

    A crime is proven to have taken place, or not. Your term is meaningless in a court of law.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Georgia males being notorious for the inability to achieve and sustain an erection, and thus incapable in many cases of consummating an act of rape.

  • Anonymous

    if you were wrongly accused of a crime (WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WITH “RAPE”) maybe you wouldn’t think that way.

    “The fact that the identity of the perpetrator has not been legally established is not a reason to deny the reality of the crime. ”

    The EXISTENCE of a “perpetrator” has not been established until conviction, so there is EVERY REASON to “deny the reality” of a crime that you weren’t present for, didn’t witness, etc. Its called innocent until proven guilty” and its kinda the cornerstone of our system.

    What liberal Assange lover would deny that his accusers are not “victims”, they are jealous sluts scorned and seeking retribution….until proven otherwise ;) Its pretty freakin’ obvious. One of them even blogged about how to get revenge against a man by falsely accusing him. So get real.

  • Anonymous

    Georgia is not living in the dark ages. Maybe you need a holiday in Afghanistan.

    Atlanta is actually quite “progressive” as are other parts of the state….you bigot.

  • Anonymous

    Atlanta, maybe Athens… LOL.. the rest of this place needs to grow up , like you.

  • Anonymous

    anyone actually know the history of ROE v WADE??? How about some history:

    In June 1969, Norma L. McCorvey discovered she was pregnant with her third child. She returned to Dallas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped, as she could then obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas’ anti-abortion laws allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest). However, this scheme failed, as there was no police report documenting the alleged rape.

    WOULDN’T THE VICTIM IN THIS CASE (besides the murdered child) BE THE MAN WHO WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE HEAT FOR THIS LIE – AND NOT THE LIAR WOMAN. – If you think this doesn’t happen ALL THE TIME you are ignorant.

    Norma McCorvey ONCE THE DARLING OF THE PRO-DEATH LIBERALS is now an anti-abortion activist AND SHE IS NOT A MAN, YOU BIGOTS.

    She said:

    “It was my pseudonym, Jane Roe, which had been used to create the “right” to like abortion out of legal thin air. But Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee never told me that what I was signing would allow women to come up to me 15, 20 years later and say, “Thank you for allowing me to have my five or six abortions. Without you, it wouldn’t have been possible.” Sarah never mentioned women using abortions as a form of birth control. We talked about truly desperate and needy women, not women already wearing maternity clothes.[7]”

    NORMA SAW WHAT REALLY HAPPENS AT THESE ABORTUARIES – MURDER OF THE INNOCENT.

    Plenty of women are anti-abortion you regressive, ignorant bigots.

  • Anonymous

    you are the one with the apples and oranges

    murder is not consensual (minus euthanasia maybe) but sex usually is. rape is very hard to prove in many instances, especially date rape. and rape charges are filed THOUSANDS OF TIMES A YEAR where no rape occured whatsoever. with murder, you need a body.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    do you think that abortion would magically go away if Roe v Wade was overturned and it was made illegal?…

  • Anonymous

    Atlanta may be a little more progressive, but I live in rural GA and it is 100 years behind the times. My daughter is a straight A student, a competitive swimmer, and many other great things, but she’s being taught in her school that she must submit to a man. This is a public school. Band and choral concerts are filled with Christian hymns and Post Offices and Town Halls still fly the old GA flag with the Confederate symbol because a “democrat” didn’t have the right to change the flag. I’m white and older so people assume I’m one of them and I promise you I have heard the worst things. The Civil War has not ended and the good ole boys do not look at a black man as deserving to be President.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    You need to realize that there is another side to the Mobius strip you are driving on. Like the strip there is a separation of status in this case determined by TIME. FIRST one becomes a victim of a crime then assuming an arrest is made and charges brought one becomes an accuser. Without a person in custody one cannot be an accuser ONLY a victim!.

    If an underage girl has sex with an adult she is defacto a victim. In court the STATE is the accuser and the State only has to prove that sex occurred with or without the cooperation of the underage victim.

    Additionally, criminals are convicted of crimes where the witness/accuser is NOT the victim therefore the term accuser is not reserved for the victim.

  • Anonymous

    Saw what you will the Republican Party is consistent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    They want to be able to rape with impunity.

  • http://twitter.com/bezoar Mark Welch

    Nono, that would be “bullet thieves”. After all, just firing a gun doesn’t mean the owner stops owning his private property. Since crimes against property are still considered crimes, voila!

  • Anonymous

    white christian southern men … c-street… gays in__________killed……. women…rape….
    arab extreme men….gays killed………..women abused……………
    “religion made me do it”

  • Anonymous

    “The EXISTENCE of a ‘perpetrator’ has not been established until conviction”

    What an IDIOT!!! OMFG!!!

    The existence of the perpetrator is established when it is established that a crime has been committed! Crimes don’t just do themselves! Someone has to do them!

    Do you even know what these words mean? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

    Try again loser.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t remember teabaggers running on this agenda. Maybe they should repeal the amendment allowing women to vote, and put them back “…in the kitchen where they belong” (barefoot & pregnant) or in the bedroom – like the Bible says..subservient to their husbands. This is “liberty and smaller government”?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOGYIJPAXHQCXNZ6OZJINM3CDA Elly Hunt

    Bobby Franklin should take a look at the following Blog regarding rape in his own back yard. Then perhaps he’ll rethink his controversial Bill:

    http://www.georgia-tech-rape-victim2.blogspot.com

  • http://jazmin-firewing.livejournal.com/ Sentimental Carp

    I think somebody should ask this guy — in public, hopefully in the government building where they’re discussing this farce, “So, are you planning to rape somebody? Have you already? Or are you just trying to protect a fellow misogynist?”

    This kind of disgusting crap just keeps cementing my decision to leave this country. Maybe I’ll move to one where the politicians aren’t INSANE!

  • Anonymous

    It is a leagal term meaning there is evidence strong enough to support the fact that a crime has been committed and that there is in fact a victim.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    This Rep. does not represent women,or children, or men who have been victimized by rapists. The conviction of a rapists seeks to reduce victim-hood and give the rape victim at chance at putting their life back in order as a victor,albeit at the cost that has been paid by the victim. If this idiot has a few minutes to look up some details,he might look up the history of the death penalty and find one of the original crimes for enforcing it was rape .That was way back in the 1600′s. Rape victims have conceded enough to their rapist.

  • Pollgera

    Someone what to explain in simple terms (not hyperbole or screaming – I’m doing that enough on this side of the monitor) what is wrong with the white, southern male that he feels he needs to constantly try to strip all rights, respect, and humanity in general from women?

  • Anonymous

    This proves that the Rightwingnuts think with their dicks.

    Why is anyone even spending time on this? Why aren’t Americans in the streets?

    AMERICA IS DEAD!!!!

  • Anonymous

    They want their victims to like it.

  • Anonymous

    Guns don’t kill, and rapists don’t rape. Oh, I see….just like land of the free, and home of the brave.

    Tell me more stories Uncle Bobbie.

  • Anonymous

    Because, the Rethugs have to constantly invent new enemies of the American society (Hate Marketing) to stay in power.

  • Pollgera

    So now women and girls are the enemies of American society.

  • Anonymous

    Reminds me of the story the other day about the girl who was whipped to death for being raped… Just another step or two and… voila…

  • Anonymous

    They don’t. It’s the rare republican who goes outside their own sex for their affairs. And the ones who do are sick and twisted, like Vitter and his love of diapers. Sick, sick, sick.

  • Guest

    And what exactly is Mr. Franklin guilty of?

  • Anonymous

    This sounds a lot like the dreaded Sharia Law that reslugliCONs allegedly oppose.

  • Anonymous

    By your logic, if someone stabbed you dead, ran off, and was never caught, you wouldn’t really be a victim of murder. There must be a word for whatever brain disease you suffer from.

  • Anonymous

    lets now take the few women that were brave enough to report their cases and give them a reason now not to. Who in HER right mind would want to be known as an accuser??? Hey next lets tell all us sill women just how many babies we are now required to produce and which feminine products are best for OUR BODIES since we are evidently too stupid to decide fro ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently. We do crazy things like demand fair treatment and pay and decide whether and when to have babies, instead of just listening to our betters.

  • Pollgera

    You’d have thought that they’d beaten that independent streak out of us after all this time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PVBB4YUKH6SQDQPBA425P22W4I drumchik

    It’s never been a secret that misogyny exists, but what is so shocking and frightening is that this man (along with many other elected representatives these days) is so brazen and open about it. These arrogant, sexist, sick people do not even try to hide it anymore, as if there’s no shame in targeting women with their hateful legislation. And what is wrong with voters in Georgia that this piece of work ever got elected to public office???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LD6YS56DU252VPMK6NWGSM34GU Joe L

    This sounds like another attempt at stealing more victim’s rights than anything. I believe that it should be accused rapist and the victim. Even if the rapist is found innocent and it does happen. Having to go to court and be publicly humiliated is like being raped again (as a friend of mine that went through it told me). I don’t agree with this MACHO attitude. This guy has got his Victorian Thinking in the 21st Century and it doesn’t work. Almost as sickening to me as Sharia Law of the Muslims!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LD6YS56DU252VPMK6NWGSM34GU Joe L

    I would say a lot less false accusing than there are unreported rapes…

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