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Saboteurs attack Egypt gas pipeline to Jordan

By Agence France-Presse
Saturday, February 5, 2011 8:12 EDT
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CAIRO (AFP) – Unknown saboteurs attacked an Egyptian pipeline supplying gas to Jordan, forcing authorities to switch off gas supply from a twin pipeline to Israel, an official told AFP.

The attackers used explosives against the pipeline in the town of Lihfen in northern Sinai, near the Gaza Strip, the official said. It was initially thought the pipeline to Israel was attacked.

“The pipeline to Jordan has been attacked and the supply to Israel has been cut off,” the official said.

The army has taken precautionary measures to stop the fire from spreading, the official added, as rescue services were putting out the fire.

It was not immediately clear who was responsible, or whether the attack was linked to the deadly protests against President Hosni Mubarak’s rule, which entered their 12th day on Saturday.

“We still don’t have details of how it happened,” he added.

Israeli public radio quoted an Egyptian official as saying the attack was carried out at dawn, using a small amount of explosives that caused only minor damage.

The fire lasted three hours and was under control, while gas supplies to Israel and Jordan were cut, the official said.

An armed Bedouin group in June threatened to attack the pipeline, security officials said, leading Egyptian authorities to beef up security around the pipeline and terminal.

Police relations with the region’s former nomads are often tense, with the Bedouin complaining of routine harassment and discrimination.

Activists accuse the police of exploiting concerns about the pipeline to crack down on the community.

Human rights groups have criticised Egyptian policy towards the Bedouin, who faced harsh police treatment after a series of bombings in Sinai resorts between 2004 and 2006 which killed dozens of Egyptians and foreign tourists.

Egypt supplies about 40 percent of Israel’s natural gas, and in December, four Israeli firms signed 20-year contracts worth up to 10 billion dollars (7.4 billion euros) to import Egyptian gas.

The attack came after Israel expressed concern that its natural gas supplies from Egypt could be threatened if a new regime takes power in Cairo.

“We again realise that the Middle East is not a stable region. We must act to ensure our energy security without relying on others,” a spokesman for Israel’s National Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau said on Tuesday.

Israel is concerned that a post-Mubarak regime might not respect the bilateral peace treaty signed three decades ago — potentially threatening the crucial energy supplies Egypt provides.

A broad swathe of Egypt’s opposition, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, as well as public opinion, has called for Cairo to stop supplying Israel with gas.

Landau on Monday summoned the heads of Israeli companies that are developing the offshore Tamar gas field — due to start production in 2013 — to urge them to push ahead with its timely development, his office said.

Landau told them Tamar’s importance was even greater “in these times of unrest in our region.” The field, off the port city of Haifa in northern Israel, holds estimated reserves of eight billion cubic metres (280 billion cubic feet).

Israel’s Globes financial newspaper reported that Landau’s ministry had conducted exercises dealing with emergency scenarios in which gas supplies were cut off. It gave no further details.

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  • Anonymous

    Read about Israel’s discovery of natural gas? Big fight over whether or not the Lebanonese have the rights to make a claim, too. (never mentioning any Palestinian right to make a claim, of course) Noble Gas is the outfit wanting to go in there and pump, pump, pump ….

    It just COULD be that our Israeli friends thought now might just be a good time to get some additional dollar$ to pump up their funds by bringing in investor$ for the project OR extort more US tax dollars … they did that with the cable cuts, if you recall.

  • Taleisin

    It is just an observation. I can’t make up my mind as to whether the Jews were the assholes in Christendom or the Christians. Both point the finger at the other.
    What I have noticed is that, since the Jews went to Palestine, Europe has been relatively quiet,
    but the middle east has been a mess. Or is it more complicated than that?

  • Anonymous

    Here are two excellent editorials on the budding revolution in Egypt from the last couple days.

    This one by Fidel Castro:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27404.htm

    And this one by Jayne Lyn Stahl:

    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6883.shtml

    Also, here is George Galloway speaking from London Tuesday on events in Egypt:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe7367yueAY

  • BrooklynRider

    So, I look at the title of this article and compare it to the heading on the home page. Rawstory somehow felt it necessary to add “Israel cut off”.

    Sensationalize much?

  • cannotvote

    Not really!

  • Anonymous

    What I have noticed is that, since the Jews went to Palestine, Europe has been relatively quiet,but the middle east has been a mess. Or is it more complicated than that?

    The Ottoman Empire collapsed. Leaving a whole region in the Middle East to be colonized by Britain and France.

    Woodrow Wilson had this great idea which was, “Why don’t we ask the inhabitants of the region what they would like to see in their future?”

    Britain and France did not care what the inhabitants think and neither did the Zionists.

    From Wiki:

    start: The Americans gradually came to realize that the British and French had already come to their own backroom deals about the future of the region, and new information could only serve to muddy the waters in their view. So, the commission was sent out sponsored by the United States alone. : end

    So the U.S was all alone in heading out to find out what the inhabitants think. Are you getting a clue now as to why Europre is completely quite about Jews in Palenstine?

    The findings of the U.S came to this:

    90 per cent of Palenstine’s inhabitants did not want a Jewish State in Palenstine.

    If the region were to have been Palenstine the Zionists looked forward to a complete dispossesion on the non-Jewish inhabitants.

    The findings stated that a Jewish State would violate the Palenstinian Arab right to self determination.

    The above statement royally pissed off the Zionists.

    The Zionists knew they were acting against the will of the people.

    The Zionists subverted Democracy.

    The study by Wilson aka the United States confirms the legitimacy of the claim that Palestinians makes today.

    Europe is quiet because they cut deals in the backroom, didn’t give a shit about the inhabitants of the region. To put it simply Europe and the Zionist and now along with the U.S are not the democratic spreading agents of the region.

    Can you now see how embarrassing this protest in Egypt is to all the so called Freedom Fighter that the U.S, Europe and Jews claim they are?

  • Taleisin

    Perhaps it is our destiny to decide who deserves freedom and who doesn’t. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Now Fox “News” is interviewing Hucklebee who naturally is not in Egypt, but in Israel “talking” about the only “important” country in the region. Neil Cavulto is trumpeting “unconfirmed reports” that an EMPTY church has been bombed by “anti-government terrorists.”

    That’s right Fox “News” thinks an interview with someone in Israel and a “possible” bombing of an EMPTY “church” is the most important thing going on in Egypt right now.

    They don’t even tell you where the “church” is or even if it is anywhere near Egypt. With good reason, IMO.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Israel WAS cut off from that particular pipeline as a result of the explosion, was it not? Do you think it would have been a complete article if RS left out WHO was effected by the pipeline explosion? Or should important details such as that be left out in order to sooth certain peoples irrational sensitivity when it comes to anything about Israel? “Sensationalize”….right. Talk about overreacting…..

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. You hit the ball out of the park with that one. It really is based on who gets to have it and who don’t. Isn’t decision making fun?

    If I were speech writer for a President of the United States I would put the following in the speech:

    Most countries around the world would rather have the United States as a colonial master, Britain second, and France least of all.

    Can you now see why I will never make it as speech writer?

  • Anonymous

    yes.

  • Anonymous

    your reading of history is simply all wrong. Wilson decided we had to bring democracy to the world; conservatives wanted isolationism.
    Brits gave up mandate and UN divided into two nations…arabs did not accept and invaded.
    prior to UN decision there was no state, no nation in the region. If you think otherwise, tell me their national flag and song and boundaries.

  • Anonymous

    Egypt’s suspension of gas supplies to Israel after the North Sinai pipeline was blown up Saturday, Feb 5 has suddenly cut Israel off from 25-30 percent of its gas needs and 80 percent of Jordan’s. After the blast, Egyptian Prime Minister Ahmad Shafiq announced that gas supplied to both countries under contract would henceforth be diverted to domestic requirements. Israel is also deeply concerned by spreading Hamas occupation of North Sinai and on high alert for more sabotage of its power installations.

  • Jaimie11

    Wrong!

  • Jaimie11

    RS did not write the story.

  • Anonymous

    That’s the way to do it, boys. Hit ‘em where it hurts.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Well, it is germaine to the whole scope of the event: bomb exploded, severed Egypt-Jordan gas line, had to cut off flow to Israel gas line as precaution to it being ignited also. Even pointing out the Bedoiun association, and the humanitarian issues of that. Rather complete, related story detailing, n’est ce pas? The fabric of life is highly intertwined, even the “suspicious” details….

  • Anonymous

    Unknown saboteurs are likely Mubarak’s thugs, Israeli thugs or a combination between the two scheming in order to keep Mubarak in power.

    The only two who benefit from such an act are Mubarak and Israel to insist Mubarak is needed for Israel’s safety.

    Am I right? Give me a “like” if you agree.

  • lilyannerose

    Anyone else think that Cheney has already called the Pentagon and tried to order a shock and awe on Egypt?

  • Anonymous

    There has never been a false flag operation, there is not one now, and there won’t be one tomorrow.

    Operation Northwoods was planned but never executed.

    Pigs don’t infiltrate groups and throw rocks in order to get people to riot.

    Never, never never, never never.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder who could have attacked that crucial pipeline. And why. No, I don’t, not really. Naturally, Mubarak is trying to draw Israel into this and the Likudniks are only too happy to oblige.

  • Anonymous

    I can only surmise that most readers here want Mubarak out, want Egypt turned into another Islamic revolutionary state like Iran and want Israel destroyed. Is this correct?

  • Anonymous

    I was not aware that all those things go together. You are aware that people like Mubarak empower radicals like the Muslim Brotherhood, yes?. Your ignorance is typical of a lot of readers on this site.

    And wanting Israel to “play fair” has nothing to do with wanting them destroyed. That’s an old BS line. Kind of like when Hannity said that those who did not want to invade Iraq must have loved Saddam Hussein and were traitors. No, we wanted to preserve US Security by keeping us out of an idiotic war that would destroy our military, bleed us of hundreds of billions, turn Iran more radical …. and all while getting LESS access to oil. Turns out we were correct, and your types were as usual gullible cattle. There were one million people marching in the streets of Tehran after 9/11 IN FAVOR of the US. President Jackass blew all that support with his BS oil war. The only people not wise to all that propaganda were cattle like yourself.

    So lose the attitude. You are not that bright.

    Newsflash. There are all kinds of people who post on all news sites. Don’t try to lump them together with ignorant general statements.

  • http://politickybitch.blogspot.com/ politicky

    New Mexico is experiencing natural gas shortages this week also.

    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) – With tens of thousands of people across New Mexico without natural gas service, Gov. Susana Martinez on Thursday declared a state of emergency, ordered government offices be shut down Friday and urged schools to “strongly consider” remaining closed for the day.

    Demand has soared because of extremely cold weather across the state since Tuesday. New Mexico Gas Company said rolling blackouts in West Texas also impeded the delivery of natural gas to New Mexico.
    http://news.findlaw.com/ap/f/1310/02-04-2011/20110204000501_09.html?DCMP=NWL-pro_top

  • Anonymous

    now if we could only figure out how to “CUT OFF” israels access to US tax dollars!!

  • Anonymous

    GREAT POINT! SHIT DISTURBERS WHERE EVER THEY GO!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-W-Roads/629696293 Chris W Roads

    When the US influence on middle east collapses Israel will be alone in the jungle.
    OOPPS

  • Anonymous

    RE: ‘Saboteurs attack Egypt gas pipeline to Jordan”
    NOTE: “The regime of Hosni Mubarak appears to have taken some sort of bribe to send substantial natural gas supplies to Israel at a deep discount.” – Juan Cole, 02/03/11, Source – http://www.juancole.com/2011/02/mubarak-defies-a-humiliated-america-emulating-netanyahu.html

    FROM ESAM AL-AMIN, Counterpunch, 02/01/11:
    (excerpt)…Likewise, both of Mubarak’s sons and their families left to London in their private jets. The head of the Cairo International Airport also announced that 19 private jets owned by the richest families in the country left to Dubai on Saturday. One of these corrupt billionaires was Hussein Salem, a former intelligence officer and a close confidant of the president. Dubai airport officials declared that they seized over $300 million in cash from him.
    Salem was the head of a private energy company that teamed up with an Israeli conglomerate to secure a long-term contract to sell natural gas to Israel. In June 2008 Les Afriques reported that Egypt was subsidizing Israel with hundreds of millions of dollars every year in energy purchase. By January 2010, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz exposed the secret and reported that Israel was in fact receiving natural gas from Egypt at a 70 per cent discount.
    The scandal was swept aside by the former Egyptian prime minister who refused to divulge to the parliament the terms of the contract. Subsequently when the government was sued, a judge ruled against it and invalidated the contract, which [judgement] the government totally ignored.
    SOURCE – http://www.counterpunch.org/alamin02012011.html

  • Anonymous

    P.S. ALSO SEE: ‘Egypt may buy back gas from Israel’, by JPost.com staff, 08/24/10
    Egyptian paper reports that Cairo officials could lose $12b. on deal.
    Anonymous sources told al-Shaab that internal discussions at Egypt’s Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources decided that over half of the natural gas sold to Israel under the deal would have to be repurchased at $14 billion, even though it was sold for $2 billion.
    Cairo officials had previously blamed the gas deal with Israel as the main reason for the increase in power outages experienced by Egyptians since 2004, as less natural gas is provided for use by domestic power suppliers, AFP reported last Sunday.
    Egypt’s ruling party has been embarrassed by the increased power cuts to the population and ensuing fights between government officials over who bears responsibility for the problem, according to the independent daily al-Shorouk report cited by AFP.
    The issue may become an important one as the fight to succeed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak gains momentum.
    SOURCE – http://www.jpost.com/Business/BusinessNews/Article.aspx?id=185832

  • Anonymous

    Your surmises are irrational. If Mubarak (and his regime) are sent packing, why do you believe Egypt will become a radical Islamic state? Egypt’s populace hasn’t been radicalized by US-fomented Islamization plans as in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The Muslim Brotherhood is largely moderate, whatever US propaganda might state. And most Egyptians, like people everywhere, just want to live their lives in peace.
    And why should the overthrow of Mubarak lead to Israel’s destruction? Israel still has the backing of the US and many Western governments, as well as a substantial nuclear arsenal and large, well-armed military. Israel’s main threats are self-generated–racism, war crimes against neighbors, self-isolation and growing rightwing radicalization.
    So your surmises are, let’s say, incorrect.

  • Anonymous

    Europe killed most of its Jews in the 1940s. And if you can’t make up your mind from reading about 2000 years of slander, massacres, expulsions and oppression of Jews by Europe’s Christian majority, it suggests your mind isn’t much. As does your apparent belief that the cause and effect of all things in Europe and the Middle East is Jews.

  • Anonymous

    My surmises may be wrong but they are not irrational. I don’t know if Egypt will become an Islamic state or not. I do know that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a moderate organization. As far as Israel’s destruction, I infer that there are many commentors who seem to feel that Israel needs to go.

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind that when Jews first started to move to Palestine, it was to escape pogroms and widespread oppression in Europe that culminated the near-extermination of all Jews in occupied Europe. When Jews tried to return to Poland after the war, hundreds more were murdered by Poles. Perhaps you can see why many Jews decided they needed a nation of their own to defend. Palestine back then was also much less populated than today.
    It’s also worth pointing out that the enmity between Jews and Palestinians has been mutual for a long time. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Hitler’s. There have been killings and massacres for a long time.
    There has to be a peaceful solution and recompense for expelled Palestinians; the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians obviously has to stop. But putting the onus entirely on the Israelis is simplistic and wrong.
    I also look forward to the day when Americans give back the land they’ve stolen from American Indians. Funny how that issue is almost entirely ignored these days (except by Indians).

  • Anonymous

    How do you know Jihadists didn’t blow it? Because it was a small explosion? As far as Israel not having enough business or investment because they are trying to “rule the world” then you have not seen their stats of how much business is done in Israel. It has skyrocketed since ME wars have subsided. I think your arguments are emotional and prejudiced.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    Saboteurs working on behalf of Mubarak and his regime. Its called a false flag attack. It is intended to increase US and Israeli involvement in the conflict as they back Mubarak and his despotic regime.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    Yeah, the Town of Taos has been crazy. Schools are closed, and many businesses. Some businesses are open without heat in below freezing temps that drop below zero at night. Electricity, cell phone and internet have went out sporadically. The result of crumbling infrastructure cascading to fail other infrastructure- yet we have plenty of money for War and foreign aid to thugs like Mubarak.

  • Anonymous

    Asking questions is not a sign of ignorance but one of intelligence. I’m just trying to find out how the rest of you think and reach conclusions. Yes, I understand that Mubarak fuels hatred, this is one reason the Muslim Brotherhood has an Islamic radical factor. My questions evoke emotional ad hominem attacks on me. I am evidently ignorant, full of BS, not that bright and a cow. So far no one is able to support their views without becoming insulting.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    My family knows people in Egypt. This is not an Islamic revolution, Christians (a minority but a significant one) and mainstream Muslims are joining together against a thug who has beaten and oppressed them for far too long. The violence you see on tv, burnt buildings and looting are a result of paid thugs Mubarak uses as enforcers and criminals who were let out of prisons in exchange for their services causing mayhem.

  • Elim

    Israel’s been cut off? Uh oh. The US may have to invade now.

  • Elim

    It doesn’t look like the Obama gov’t wants to back the Mubarak regime, but they may be looking for an excuse to go in.

  • Anonymous

    OK, sorry for being harsh. If you have read my posts, I too have lots of arguments with many of the radicals on here. They are detached from reality, and many hate America…..but love living here. And you also have the 9/11 Truth idiots, etc.

    What I did not like was your “group analysis”. The point I was trying to make is that there are radical elements in comments sections all over. The Wall Street Journal always has many comments calling Obama Hitler, etc. It is the nature of these types of forums. I have found Raw Story to be extremely accurate in their foreign affairs reporting through the years. They almost always get it right, and that is why they are one of many sources I use for news. Reading Raw does not make me a guy who wants to have radical Islamists run the world, or to destroy Israel….any more than “all” readers of the Wall Street Journal think Obama is Hitler and part of a secret plot to destroy America. Very bad stereotyping either way.

    So, apologies for the insult. I should have expressed my disagreement without the “attitude”.

  • Anonymous

    I am in favor of getting Mubarak out ASAP too and for people to live in free societies. I believe what you say is true. I asked if people here wanted to see the destruction of Israel because there are so many anti-Israeli and antisemitic comments here and this could turn out very bad for Israel which, I guess, would make the commenters happy. Do you think the new government will honor Sadat’s peace treaty?

  • Roberthe

    There are many who hold that the Republican Party is not a moderate organization, including many Republicans for whom the very thought is anathema. Whether the Muslim Brotherhood is or is not moderate ought not be our concern: Egypt is a sovereign nation and we (the United States) have no business interfering with their politics as long as they respect their international agreements and the human rights of those living in Egypt. That we have (for now) the power to interfere does not mean that we have the moral right. We don’t, though I sense that will not stop us from co-opting yet another revolution and installing our next set of dictators.

    As for the destruction of Israet: demonstrably there are people on parallel threads who are patently anti-Semitic and would love nothing more than for Israel to be “pushed into the Mediterranean”, not realizing that such an act would incinerate at the very least the Middle East. I trust the majority of people here would be content, nay ecstatic, were Israel to start honoring its UN commitments, especially those that deal with the rights of the Palestinian people.

  • BrooklynRider

    RS presented the story as if the intent was to cut-off Israel. It presented the story as an attack on Israel, which it was not.

    As Jaimie11 points out, RS did not write the story. Why then did they rewrite the head line? For purely sensationalist reasons.

  • Elim

    It never should have been created in the first place. The least that should happen to them is that they will stop interfering politically, socially and clandestinely against their neighbors. If they can’t accept the fact that they are not “chosen people” and are not deserving of any special treatment, then there’s a long, bloody road ahead for everyone.

  • Elim

    Just think of Noriega’s Dignity Battalions.

  • Elim

    They have US defense contracts. A major part of their business is from us.

  • Anonymous

    No sweat, thanks for the respect. Perhaps my grouping was intended to evoke a reaction as well but I would say that this particular forum is closer to Stormfront than the New York Times’ is and I would like to see if these people who hate Israel and Jews so much are still so gung-ho if there is a real possibility that Israel goes down. Know what I mean? And I hope the Egyptian people get to live in a free society. Peace.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes indeed. congratulations for reading my mind……

  • Elim

    Here’s a good question to ask. In the Washington Post today, Senators are asking why the CIA never warned Obama about this? They have their hands in everything, so they must have known this was going to blow. Hell, they probably caused it themselves, but that would never be looked into at any rate.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020307014.html

    Expect a comparison between this event and the CIA failing to warn the Bush Gov’t about 9-11.”No one ever imagined that Twitter could be used for this. Obviously we need more control over the internet.”

  • Anonymous

    True. And they are working on a missile defense shield for us as well but that is actually a small part of the business they are doing. Tel Aviv has become a world technology and pharmaceutical center. Israel pours tons of money into their universities just like AT&T did with Bell Labs for research. Israel has become a serious manufacturer and innovator of new products and this is because they have been able to shift a lot of money which used to go to defense into technology. This is their peace dividend since the last “major” war.

  • mick

    GAME OVER Israel ,now you can pay market rates.

  • mick

    “Tamar gas field” isn’t that off the Gaza coast ?

  • mick

    No its not “correct” ,most people want to see the rule of law apply to ALL Nation States. And “apply” in a transparent manner. The situation in Egypt is sectarian not religious .If you read the post by dickerson3870 you will see that Israel has played a part in stealing from the Egyptian people and that naturally that “Contract” will be void by the time is crisis is over.

  • mick

    No ,Israel needs to be held accountable for its action against its neighbors.

    “As ye sow, so shall ye reap.”

  • Anonymous

    Mubarak probably knows just what buttons to push

  • Anonymous

    Are you saying you want Israel destroyed?

  • Anonymous

    So, you are saying that Israel is an illegal state. Why is that? Do you think that their neighbors should stop interfering with Israel, too? Whoa, what the heck does chosen people have to do with it? Israel’s claim on the land is for what, in their heads, I believe is an historical claim. If they think that are the “chosen people,” they were that in the diaspora too. As I understand it they are not “more” chosen because they are back in the ME.

  • Anonymous

    My concern is that if the Brotherhood is not a moderate organization then we could wind up with another repressive state which would violate the human rights you are concerned about by declaring Sharia law. I agree we have no right interfering and I think Israel would do better by stopping settlements and treating the Palestinians better but there are those who don’t care how well Israel does, they have a religious (irrational) hatred requiring the destruction of Israel no matter what.which will lead to the Samson Option I’m afraid.

  • Anonymous

    So, you are saying punished rather than invaded?

  • Anonymous

    I can tell you that JPost and Haaretz are freaking out about that.

  • mick

    No, but if a person is accused of murder and enough evidence can be shown to a judge then that person is arrested and a trial soon follows .Now at said trial the accused and the accuser can show all evidence actual and circumstantial to support their position /actions .

    Israel should not be in charge of investigating Israel as normally happens with things like illegal settlements,illegal death at sea of un-armed activist or illegal collective punishment and war crimes as in Operation Cast Lead. etc

  • Johnny Warbucks

    False flag. Now Israel has an excuse to invade Egypt. All in a day’s work for the Mossad.

    Fuck Israel. Fuck the Zionist pigs that rule it, inhabit it and fucking the world, one country at a time.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    They’ve been backing Mubarak for 30 years. Why stop now?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Wow! You’re an Islamophobe. Who would have thunk?

  • Anonymous

    So you are saying international court? What about all the Jewish lawyers?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Israel is doing what Israel does best: react to everything with lies, misinformation, paranoid and violence.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Israel is an illegal state because it exerted pressure on other nations thru terrorism in order to steal and illegally occupy another people’s land. Israel’s neighbors DO NOT interfere with Israel, they defend themselves from Israel’s violence. Completely different story. Historical claim, my ass! The Palestinians were there before. But for that voodoo book that they themselves wrote, there would be nothing. And that is as pretty nothing as it comes. They are self Chosen. Complete different story than being Chosen. And, yes, they do wholeheartedly think that and act accordingly.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Obama wasn’t warned because we in fact had a hand in the uprisings going on today by way of our massive financial bailout of Wall St. criminals. In most of these Arab dictatorships the price of food is controlled and set by the state. Our bailout was SO enormous that it had the effect of devaluing the dollar and driving up food prices in other countries. As I understand it, most Egyptians spend at least 60% of their pay on food (maybe Thebes can verify this) and another price increase sent them over the edge. There is no free lunch.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Nobody gives a fuck about the destruction of Israel. They destroyed another nation and its people in order to steal their land and come to be illegally. They have made their bed, now they have to lay in it. They should have given some thought to that before they decided to go down the path of terrorism, violence and blackmail to attain that. There’s no sympathy for them since they have had no sympathy for anybody.

    And stop your obvious bullshit self-victimization attempts and trying to put your lies into other people’s words.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not to worry. There are vast supplies of natural gas under Gaza which they have been stealing from decades. They also just discovered another deposit, supposedly one of the biggest in the ME, under Palestinian jurisdiction too. Guess what? They’re already stealing from that one too.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Bullshit! It’s because they’re blackmailing more out of their host countries from whom they also steal technology right and left. They’re just leeches.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    They are detached from reality, and many hate America…..but love living here. And you also have the 9/11 Truth idiots, etc.

    Ha ha ha! Look at who’ detached from reality. Hate America. Do you think that the Founding Fathers hated America too? Do you think that flag-waving idiots such as yourself who drop their pants for their masters and allow them to have anal intercourse while in that position love America? Do you think that dissent is hate? How very sheepish of you. And how very ignorant and misguided. As if anyone like you ever did anything for their countries except bob their heads, wave flags, repeat jingoist chants and kill innocent civilians in foreign lands to allow American corporations to steal their resources?

    Sheep!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Either that or Israel did it itself and is dying to jump in and invade them to “protect themselves” and because they “feel threatened” and blah blah blah

  • Anonymous

    I assume you are talking about the British mandate. Both the Jews and Palestinians used terror to drive the British out. Are you saying that if the Palestinians had won then they would not be an illegal state too? Before the Palestinians was the Ottoman Empire, did the Palestinians take the Turk’s land? The Bible is not an accurate historical text but there is much evidence that at one time Israel and Judah did exist and in fact there have been Jews living there since the destruction of the Temple in 70AD. Islam didn’t come around until between 600 and 700AD.

  • Anonymous

    As far as other countries not interfering with Israel, how do you explain 5 wars?

  • mick

    if “they” use their nukes the world will cut ever tie it has with Israel and that will guarantee the end of Israel. So don’t worry Israel only worries about Israel and in this case thank Dog they do !

  • Anonymous

    Nice sweeping condemnation. I would prefer it if you just came out of the basement and said Israel needs to go.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not only that but, last night, they apparently made the announcement that an assassination attempt had been made against Omar Sulemein and his body guards had been killed. It was a lie.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t have to attack me personally, your posts are one of the reasons I equate RS with Stormfront. I just want to know what you think and if there is anything behind it of substance.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Fidel Castro. ROFL! From one dictator to another.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The only 2,000 of years of slander, massacres, expulsions and oppression of jews happened to be recorded in the Bible. Since it is rather obvious that they themselves wrote the book hence appointing themselves for even more rather obvious reasons, the whole thing is, at best, voodoo hogwash. I’ve read the Bible and, interestingly enough, it is always the jews who are doing the killings.

  • Anonymous

    Did your Dad spank you a lot when you were a kid? Yes, some people want Israel gone and despite your denial of it from your past posts I think you probably do, too. You make a lot of sweeping generalizations without anything to really back it up before resorting to anger and cursing so I tell you what, don’t reply to me and I won’t reply to you.

  • Anonymous

    Like you?

  • Anonymous

    That wouldn’t surprise me in the least, either. These war dogs are only too happy to keep each other in power however they can.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Your whole post is a crock of shit but this, in particular, is the biggest lie of them all Palestine back then was also much less populated than today. 200,000 Palestinians were ousted on day one of that abomination Israel dispossessing them of their land. And it continued like that till millions were ejected at the point of a gun. Many weren’t that lucky and the cries of those massacred by those filthy, murderous mother fuckers still resonate in the Middle East today along with the cries of the many they continue to kill on a daily basis.

    Fuck them!

    How dare you spit that lie out of both sides of your mouth?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Brits did not give up anything. The jews brought terrorism to the ME and weighed a vicious campaign of violence against Britain. Look up the Stern Gang sometimes and you’ll see how the Boogie Man Al Qaeda pales in comparison to anything those terrorist jews did. While you’re searching, look up Balfour and see what you can find.

    You are the one that doesn’t know shit about history. Conveniently so, I rather suspect.

  • Anonymous

    You got a real problem kid, I think you must just really hate Jews. Do you even know any? How about any Israelis. How bout any Palestinians or Egyptians? If all you can do is just curse and swing a bat in a china shop then be quiet.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus, you’re like a plague. Just go away and let us talk, will you?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Israel is also deeply concerned by spreading Hamas occupation of North Sinai and on high alert for more sabotage of its power installations.

    Therein the reason for Israel sabotaging the pipe. Now, they can go into Gaza again and kill another 1,400 innocent civilians. Not that they ever need an excuse really.

  • Roberthe

    I share those concerns as well; regardless, the Egyptians have a sovereign right to chart their own destiny. However, the Muslim Brotherhood did come out in opposition to last year’s anti-Christian riots, which definitely indicates a moderate and rational position, so perhaps they are not as radical as we appear want them to be… At this point I remain more concerned about the Radical Right in this country than I do about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Of course then, I’m not in Egypt.

  • Anonymous

    What exactly is your link between 9/11 Truth and the Founding Fathers. How does believing in something that has no merit “patriotic”? Dissent is good. Stupidity is not.

    Lose the attitude. I have schooled you before. You’re not that bright.

  • Anonymous

    A two-state solution is the answer. Israel is doing too much taking, and not enough giving. It is about 80-20 now. We need more 50-50. Israel is not going down, they have the third biggest nuke arsenal in the world, and they still get plenty of oil and gas. Part of the Agreement with the US is that we guarantee that we will always find energy supplies for them. It’s a Contract.

    But yes, there are people that think everything in the world is a Mossad plot. No clue. The Mossad recently botched a flotilla raid, but at the same time they were able to do a logistically impossible “controlled demo” on the Twin Towers. It’s comical what many believe, but there are far more stupid people on the FOX site. The ratio is probably 500 FOX morons to 1 Raw moron. And I am not exaggerating. Look at FOX comments sometimes. They are in the thousands. And most of it is “Obama is Hitler” type stuff.

  • Taleisin

    I wouldn’t blame Europe for the genocide but rather the Nazis and then perhaps the Russians. I don’t understand why they were so hated.
    At one point they went to Rome and were greeted as saviors and within a year were under curfew. What did they do to piss people off so much?

  • Anonymous

    Stormfront is full of Islamophobes who sound quite a lot like yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Israel needs to get out of the occupied territories and cooperate toward a two-state solution that is fair to the Palestinian people. They also need to quit aggressing against the rest of the Middle East.

  • Anonymous

    Most Jews are not aggressive AIPAC hawks who think Israel’s citizens are the only ones whose rights and interests matter.

  • ekwhite

    I don’t know about others, but I want Mubarak out and the Egyptian people to run Egypt the way they want, without us installing another puppet regime. I am damned tired of our country supporting dictators.

  • Anonymous

    To be fair, the US was right in the middle of all of that. Israel couldn’t have done any of it without US assistance. Israel acted as our violent proxy in the Middle East. Cannot bring Israel to account without bringing the US along as well.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you. I agree with you and can only hope the Egyptian people don’t trade one dictator for another.

  • Anonymous

    I am neither and hope the Egyptian people can be free.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that would be good.

  • Anonymous

    Most of the Jews I know are nice people.

  • ekwhite

    You forget to mention that the current repressive state has been an ally of the United States for decades. There is much more likelihood of another repressive state being installed if we get our way.

  • Anonymous

    I have never been to Egypt and don’t know anyone there. The people have the right to govern themselves and maybe the Brotherhood is OK. I agree we have more to fear from the Radical Right than the Brotherhood.

  • Roberthe

    It isn’t about Islam, it’s about the Palestinians who, in one form or another have been living on that land as long as the Jews. Indeed, there is little to differentiate the two genetically; in many case Palestinians are descended from Jews who converted to Christianity, and/or later to Islam.

  • Taleisin

    Castro didn’t mention Sukarno from Indonesia was a corrupt repressive dictator for 20 years followed by his general Suharto, 30 years. I guess non-US funded dictators are OK in his book.

  • Anonymous

    I agree and at this point Israel better get started on it FAST. I can’t even imagine how many morons are on Fox given they push such disinformation. I hope the two state solution would go a long way to solving these problems. There are players around like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas who don’t care how well Israel does, if they had a dirty bomb they would use it which would bring out the nukes and the Samson Option. This is what really scares me.

  • Roberthe

    I was just indicating that I am not as concerned about the Brotherhood because they are not metaphorically knocking on my door like the Rightists are here. Regardless, there seems to be a fair amount of agreement on the issue between several of us, which is somewhat reassuring.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Good. Help Egypt get a better government, Israel. It’s actually in your best interests.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    ssshhhhh!! We have to pretend that they don’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    If someone attacks Israel and it looks like they are going to win, in that case they would not be condemned too much, IMO. It would likely escalate into a huge conflict, though. And that would not be good for them or us.

    When you get right down to it, the only value that nuclear weapons have is making M.A.D. work.

  • Anonymous

    The latest archeological findings from Israel Finklestein say that the Jews (Mizrahi) are in fact the same indigenous people meaning the same as the Palestinians and who began to differentiate themselves from the surrounding population after the fall of the city-state system in Palestine about the time of Joshua’s supposed conquests. There is very little to doubt that the Jews came out of that population and have been on that land since the late Bronze age. This lends credence to their historical claim.

  • Anonymous

    “..A broad swathe of Egypt’s opposition, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, as well as public opinion, has called for Cairo to stop supplying Israel with gas…”

    good! cut them off and force them to the negotiating table for a true two party state. and hell, throw in a freeze and then a complete withdrawal of all their settlements in the west Bank and quit harassing and blockading Gaza….the list goes on and on.
    this is exactly (one reason) why the US fears so much this kind of real democratic movement, because it just won’t be the same for the US, for US corporations that have exploited egyptian resources and labor, nor for Israel and all the strategic advantages it has enjoyed under 30 years of mubarak tyranny….

  • Anonymous

    True dat.

  • Anonymous

    And soviet support of the arab states.

  • Roberthe

    But at the same time it lends credence to the Palestinians’ as well. And historical claims are dangerous to consider, especially after a hiatus of the better part of two millennia. America is assembled from lands taken from the original inhabitants less than 400 years ago. If the Israelis have a historical claim then so do the Algonquins, the Lakota, and the other 500 Nations to America. Perhaps it would be better to look at possession recognized by the UN as de jure (which also addresses Palestinian rights) and ignore the slippery slope of “historical claims”. Or we could settle it like real men and start killing one another.

  • Anonymous

    Israel legitimacy exits only within its unilaterally declared borders (UN181). Nothing outside the sovreign borders of the Jewish State belongs to Israel (Israel’s decl of indep.)

    Some 250UN resolutions deligitmizes Israel illegal annexation of Palestinian land and only ONE US veto hinders the UN from applying sanctions a la South Africa. The stakeholders ie the Palestinians will not give their recognition to the illegal 1967 borders until ALL aspects of UN242 is adhered to.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t help noticing that neither you nor Johnny Warbucks choose to take issue with the actual content of Castro’s commentary. Why is that, Talesin? Is anything Castro might have to say simply to be dismissed because you declare it not worthy of consideration? If you’re going to bother commenting, why not address his editorial and counter it if you don’t like what he has to say?

  • Anonymous

    I apologize. I confused you with someone else. You’re quite reasonable. Please disregard my suggesting you are anything like the Islamophobes at Stormfront.

  • Anonymous

    All of them I know are awesome people. They also all tend to be pretty nuanced and social-justice-loving in their opinion of what’s happening in Israel.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see that happening. No “state” sponsored group would do that. First of all, a nuke in Israel would kill Muslims and Jews. Plus there is “fallout”. A large nuke cloud does not see “borders”. It would be all over the Middle East and a lot of Europe. There are no leaders in the Middle East who want this. As to a smaller dirty bomb, remember that whatever terrorists strike with comes back at them. Israel would love to send a nuke or dirty bomb to Iran, but we are not letting them because there is no justification. And it would be suicide for Iran to do such a thing. They will “talk” about it, but that’s all politidcal posturing, etc.

    Now as to a rogue wacko group getting a dirty bomb or nuke and setting it off in Israel or the US, that is certainly possible. But the procurement of that device would not be from a formal country, it would more likely be a “loose nuke” on the black market. Those are what need to be contained. The New Start Treaty is a big step in helping to prevent that. Loose nukes need to be cleaned up. Amazing that the Republicans were against that Treaty. A few ended up crossing party lines, but only under tremendous pressure.

    Funny, Reagan wanted NO nukes for any country, and was praised by Republicans. Now Obama wants just “reduced” nukes, and they say he is compromising our Security.

    And also on Israel, it is noted that they have violated approx 50 UN Resolutions with no repercussions. Iraq violated one, and it was really only a “paperwork” violation, and we went to all out War. Biggest blunder in our history. I’m not saying that we should go to War with Israel of course, but it might be time to hold some of these Energy supply treaties over their head’s and say they will be void if they continue to violate UN Resolutions. Just play fair. Most Israelis’ are not crazy about the far Right in Israel. It is just a small faction, but they get a lot of media play here.

    The Obama Admin is making all the right moves in this whole thing. Nice to have professionals on the job. Bush’s boys were like naive school kids.

  • Jaimie11

    I’m surprised you seem to dislike Jews. Why is that? Are there other groups you dislike?
    Catholics, Muslims? There’s lots of that here in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it goes on in Australia too, prejudice against Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Asians, etc..

    It’s disturbing to see the comments here that indicate Jew Hatred or Juden Hassen is on the rise again and it appears Jews are going to be scape-goated once again for the sins of mankind.

    But in the case of the Jews in Europe, the Catholic Church held that they had killed Christ. You can imagine the reaction of the ignorant masses. Stories abounded about how Jews stole Christian children and killed them for their blood with which they’d make Passover matzoh. The brilliant Palin recently used the term “blood libel”, a term that had been common in Europe referring to this malicious fable about the evil of the Jews.

    Add to that innumerable other instances of the same sort of prejudice the fact that Jews looked Mediterranean and as a result were regarded as filth. So filthy in fact that they were not permitted to work in any trades and were impoverished as a result. But, because they were regarded as vermin they were permitted to handle money and keep accounts. Handling money was considered too dirty for clean Christians to do, and so it was given to Jews to do.

    Throughout the history of the Jews in Europe they were mercilessly persecuted, raided, slaughtered, burned alive, their churches destroyed. They were treated as badly as Blacks in America were treated during slavery and after and it is still not over. Jews endured persecution in Europe from the time of the Roman Empire up until the Holocaust.

    With Australia’s own history of racism and brutality against the aborigines, who is at fault there? Once again, white Christians who do not follow the teachings of Christ.

    I hope that helps answer in part.

  • Jaimie11

    And what happened before all that Johnny? Who cooked up political Zionism? Not the Jews.

  • Taleisin

    Good point. Every politican glorifies their position by comparison to their rivals. Even when they speak a truth, we need to sift through the bullshit.

    All these world leaders are speaking out from their self-glorified positions, whether it is Blair, Obama, Castro, or whoever. They seem to know what is best for Egypt and they hope by putting their view point forward, they may influence the outcome. But none of them can speak for the Egyptian people. It is these ‘leaders’ who are the problem. It’s the little guys around the world who is getting hurt.

    Egypt is a threat to stability because we have interfered with them since Napoleon.
    Maybe these Egyptian 98%ers who protest in the street, are people who want to raise a family on a reasonable wage and go about their daily lives without grandiose visions of political ambition.

    The more we interfere with their culture and its natural development, the more problems we create for them and us. If this push for genuine democracy fails, these protests will only re-emerge more tragically later.

    So my advise to our benevolent leaders is, ‘Shut the F%$k up and let the people decide.’

  • Jaimie11

    It’s true, what people did to other people in the establishment of a Jewish state was and is unspeakable, and there is no excuse for it. Just as there is no excuse for what Christians did to Jews in Europe and to Muslims and Jews during the Crusades. Nor is there excuse for what Europeans did to all the indigenous peoples of the world where Europeans went.

    But if you are going to become a hateful person while opposing hate, what’s the point! All you will end up doing is extending its grotesque life.

  • maritimer

    There is a lot of misinformation about the Muslim Brotherhood- it does not have the influence and pull that the US media is suggesting. As far as Israel goes they can take care of themselves- “destruction” is a bit of hysterical hyperbole considering they are the only country in the region with nukes and enormous US backing (more so than even Egypt).

  • Jaimie11

    Really, all those other nice white jew-hating Christians, they’re blameless. And the British, French, German, and American governments – they’re blameless too. All of Europe’s lust for Empire and resources are not to be blamed, but the Nazis and the Russians. Oh that’s easy – we all hate the Nazis and the Russians, so who cares if we shove all the blame on them.

    And all those super rich folk, royalty and industrialists – good Christians all, funding the rise of Hitler so that there would be a non-Arab state in the ME to make certain the oil would flow freely to the West.

    And then a new dawn of industrial, technological, educational expansion began for those same countries and more, an economic renaissance ensued all fueled by that oil secured by the artificially created state of Israel for which the Jews begged and begged after 2000 years of hideous persecution and 6 million human beings killed by the Nazis alone and how many more dead in the war. What planning eh? Surely you don’t believe all that was just the luck of the draw. War, always gets us out of depressions. That is the zen of Keynes.

    And only the Nazis and Russians are to blame.

  • Anonymous

    Cheney and the Neocons ran a shadow government with deep ties to intelligence agencies for eight years. I am convinced there are remnants of it working to undermine this administration by stirring things up in the middle east. Lieberman the senator for Israel is one of their protectors.

  • Taleisin

    I know I am treading a fine line here. But high emotions have blurred informed debate for years, and I don’t think we can progress to a peaceful outcome without the facts sitting on the table. I was unaware, for example, that money was considered dirty. (Something Wall St seems to have forgotten).

    I actually prefer the church services of the Catholics now. The Taoists do a nice service as well. Australian tend not to hate, but they often dislike the unknown. We find real hate here between the Croats and Serbs for example, but that will be gone in a generation.

    When I was a small child I was taught we weren’t allowed to hate. Only soldiers who had fought the Japanese were allowed to hate, and we were not to carry that on. Had we been overrun by the Japanese it might be a different story.

    The Japanese brutalized the Chinese who brutalized the Tibetans. The French were bastards to the Germans and the Nazis brutalized the Jews who in turn brutalize the Palestinians. Who will the Palestinians brutalize in turn?

    While our leaders seek immortality through the history books, this virus of brutality sweeps through the generations from one people to another. If we are to survive, we need to overcome this habit.

  • Roberthe

    I admit I’m teetering between wide-eyed horror, searing frustration, and sardonic laughter. There is ongoing prattle here that reminds me of living 5 miles from the Church of Aryan Nations. As of yet nobody has proposed finishing the SS’s dirty work but I sense the thought rattling around, trying to make itself reanimate. But the problem is not the Jews, or the Arabs or the Christians or the atheists or the Blacks or the Germans or the Tea Partiers or the DFHs or the men or the women or the (ad infinitum…) who are the assholes. It’s people in general, and perhaps all of us specifically, who are. This is our planet, at least what’s left of it, and it’s time to pull ourselves together and grow up before we lose it altogether. A basic rule of the Cosmos is that if you think somebody is an asshole most likely that person thinks you are one too. His justification is as valid for his perception as your justification is for yours. THink of this as nullifying penalties.

    Maybe I have hugged too many trees, maybe it’s the consequence of taking all those weird chemicals with the strange letters my mommy warned me about forty years ago, but don’t you think it’s time to start coming up with solutions to the world’s problems that do not include the vilification and/or extermination of people with whom we disagree? Our meat is wired for war; it’s also wired for living in autonomous bands of no more than 100-150 individuals and fighting for territorial domination. The world, the environment we evolved in, is not even vaguely the world we inhabit today; the methods that worked in the paleolithic are self-defeating today. It’s no longer a question of genocide-we are on the verge of geocide. All of us, and most of the other species as well, poof. If we get sufficiently pissed off we may even surpass what occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary. Hitler, Pol Pot… they were nothing more than a gargle compared to the aria of devastation we are about to blithely unleash. Time to stop. Time to learn how to live and work with others. Time to grow up.

  • mick

    But if “someone attacks Israel ” it will be after Israel started the conflict as it always is…even the six day war was started by Israel. And most people still argue that the Arabs started it ! So the hasbara will have to be well organized if Israel thinks it can fool the world into overlooking the use of nuke weapons .

  • Taleisin

    When Capt. Cook landed at Botany Bay, he declared according to European law, that the land was Terra Annulis or something. Meaning the land was unoccupied by human beings. Since the aborigines did not live in dwellings(untrue) and they did not cultivate the land (didn’t need to), therefore they were not human beings, only some sort of bush monkey. That was Christian Whitefella law at the time.

    The aborigines lived in small family groups, so they were never able to mount a large scale defense. They were a peaceful people who were willing to share the land. Although their use of the spear is awesome, they were not match for gunpowder. We didn’t use the word massacre, we used the word ‘clearing’. Of the churches, the aboriginals have a saying, ” We had the land and they had the bible. Now we have the bible and they have the land”.

    A large part of our federal budget goes to Indigenous Affairs now. If the damage can be undone, it will take generations.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    Israel frames Muslims, sets them up as targets for the US
    *Evidence linking Israelis to 9/11 is Classified*

  • Elim

    Someone is trying to start WW3. Who might want to do that, and why? Who are the manipulators?

  • Elim

    I agree, but then there’s the problem of the Sinai being a demilitarized zone. If the Egyptians want to make anything stick, they’re going to have start moving troops in to guard that border, and the gas lines reconnected to pacify the Israeli’s while they’re doing it. It can always be cut off again later.

  • Taleisin

    You forgot Spain. I appreciate your sarcasm, but I am a little befuddled. We don’t have a history of antisemitism here in Oz, so it is a bit of a mystery to us. People here just want an end to the bloodshed.

    Are you suggesting those industrialists wanted a Jewish state in the middle east to help maintain an oil supply?

  • Elim
  • Elim

    Ok, so the new government is saying “hey, you owe us money!”

  • Anonymous
  • Elim

    Maybe Egypt will sell it to them cheap.

  • Elim

    What’s going on in Egypt is NOT an Islamic revolt. It has nothing to do with Islam, so stop spewing those FOX talking points.

  • Elim

    And they need to stop urging the US to be aggressive against other countries on their behalf.

  • Elim

    WTF are you blabbering about? You sound like a certain White House Press Secretary, hemming and hawing

    “So, you are saying……” over and over and over again. Look at how many times you’ve done it! You’re trying to rephrase and re-frame the question and the facts more to your liking.

    http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/20090209.cfm

  • Elim

    Both the Palestinians and Sephardic Jews are Semitic people, related genetically. The mainstream media is not allowed to bring up the fact that Ashkenazi have no genetic link to either.

  • Anonymous

    Calm down. So you are saying is done to see if I understand you right. If not you can correct me. If you don’t like what you hear you can change what you say.

  • Anonymous

    Damn you people. I am trying to watch the “epic” movie by Otto Preminger, “Exodus”, and you keep interrupting me with sad news about israel.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, that theory and the whole Khazar thing has been dis-proven especially in light of the paternal Levite-marker. Besides, the Jews consider anyone who converted to have always been Jewish.

  • Anonymous

    But there have been Jews there since the last time the Romans burned down Jerusalem and they would pre-date the modern Palestinian people. I am not trying to make the case for Israel but trying to see if what the Palestinians claim about them is completely true. How many knew there have always been Jews living there?

  • Anonymous

    Some muslims want to bring on Armageddon as much as some chrstians do. I agree with pretty much everything else you said.

  • Anonymous

    Who are the manipulators? Those who would seek to cling to power in the face of the overwhelming opposition by the people they would have power over. Who is the world’s main manipulator, government-wise? The good ole usa. They would destroy those who would unmask them (assange, wikileaks) and see those dead who would rise up against their puppets (peoples of Egypt and all other countries currently getting wise to them).

  • Elim

    As a counterweight to our support of the others. That’s the grand chess game, you know.

  • Elim

    The Chinese are doing exactly the same thing by stealing technology and providing poor quality drug substitutes.

  • Elim

    Mmmkay, well now I know I can skip both your posts, as it looks like everyone else is doing as well.

  • Elim

    That would be a rather a good or plausible reason for Mubarak to stay where he is. If Israel invaded the Sinai, a state of military emergency would be declared, and Mubarak would have to stay until the “emergency” was over.

  • Elim

    Non-US funded? Are you sure? Indonesia has been a US ally for a long time. They must be getting something.

  • Taleisin

    I remember a few years ago, Bill Clinton said that the Indonesians weren’t killing as many of their people as they used to, so it was OK for the US to sell guns to them again.
    I assumed there must have been some tension between the 2 powers previous to that.
    But, nothing would surprise me these days.

  • Elim

    I don’t believe in the bible at all. It is a mixture of some historical fact intertwined with religious fantasy. I don’t believe there ever was such a person as Jesus Christ. He is a fictional character from this book.

    Therefore, when the Catholic Church, or anyone for that matter, says that Jews are hated because they killed Christ, I know this is not true, and that the people who say this are either lying for their own evil purposes, or willfully ignorant.

    Religion was invented to control through division, and it works.

  • Elim

    If it wasn’t usury, I don’t know what it could have been.

  • Taleisin

    I have been sitting here reading the debate Trying to learn. I have heard in the past of the Jews being immoral as an excuse for persecution. But Native Americans were considered immoral for not being married in a christian church.

    When I was a child, I was told by a school teacher, that the reasons for WWI were unclear. Even though, there were still people alive at that time who could remember it all. The facts were too complex. History has habit of being a bit senile. We may never know what started the hate. Maybe that’s not what is important.

  • Elim

    If you’re waiting for someone to say “we’re all to blame”, don’t hold your breath. Godless zionisits assisted the nazis with their infernal task.

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm

  • Elim

    Israel is also deeply concerned by spreading Hamas occupation of North Sinai….

    Then Israel has its reason to go into the Sinai, if it wants. We have al-Qaeda, they have Hamas. Hezbollah in Lebanon will become a problem pretty quick, too, I suppose.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    For 40 years Israel has been violating international laws UN resolution 242, 338 and others. It is wrong for US to support someone violating law. As a result we have been attacked 911 happened because of our support for Israel. The fact that the holy Land has been pretty much completely taken away from the Palestinians has the whole middle east upset. Therefor that is the root of most problems.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Looks like they own allot more land now days.
    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    the Jews rejected Christ as the Messiah, they gave up their position as God’s chosen people. God does not force anyone to accept Him and obey Him, yet there are always consequences if we do not. After their captivity into Babylon, Israel as… a nation was given 490 years to see the gravity of their continued rejection of God and His laws. The prophecy of Daniel 9 was their last chance, as a nation, to be the people to carry forth His righteousness. When, at the end of this time, Israel had crucified Christ and then persecuted His church, God took away their “most favored nation” status. Paul writes, “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.” Romans 2: 28, 29.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

     Ya they have bulldozers right with the tanks so as soon as they wrongfully take Palestinian land they are building on it Immediately they never intended to give any land back. Makes perfect sense make the Indigenous Palestinians leave so that Holocaust survivors, Jewish Bolsheviks and other immigrants can have a home.

    Israel never wanted peace,it was all but lies and we knew it, The Zionist project was a genocidal & a land grabbing enterprise, it has nothing to do with the sake of the Jewish people. the Zionists exploited the atrocities of the holocaust to steal a land for its original inhabitants.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Back when Anglo-Israelism happened in Palestine when the British tried to settle there. It was the militant right-wing Zionists wrote the book on modern terrorism. Bombing British and Palestinians the most well known bombing was the King David hotel. Few years later Britain lets the UN deal with Palestine

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Only those who are God’s in the Spirit will be considered part of Israel. Those who were part of literal Israel have been severed from the true Vine and must be grafted back on by obedience to His word. This is the only way any of us can be… part of the true Israel, that Israel which will inherit the kingdom of God. No one who is just a literal Jew has rights to the kingdom unless, like everyone else, he becomes a spiritual Jew, also. “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed , and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3: 26– 29.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Who cares all parties agreed on the UN boundaries and Israel decided that they wanted to steal more land.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    You care to refute the arguments instead of just pulling off some of the same old Israel whining? You guys are starting to look real bad lately, people dislike whiners. Are you getting paid to spread your hasbara? then do a better job damn it.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    I do have something against murdering scumbag thieves, terrorists, and liars, no matter what religion or country they happen to be and especially when they take over the entire governments of well-armed and well-funded countries and then use this power to terrorize and butcher their enemies.

    

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    You just apologized to Dead_Head saying “You’re not that bright”. Then turn around and say the same thing to Johnny Warbucks. I doubt you have schooled anyone. Because you guessed it “You’re not that bright”.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Israel tried to invade it a long time ago they would have succeeded had it not been for a real President with balls like Dwight Eisenhower. They just do not make Presidents like they used too.

  • Elim

    No comparison. You can’t compare Native Americans and Jews. Native Americans did not live in every society throughout Europe. They were not universally hated by other societies.

    I would also object to your assertion that Americans from our past thought Native Americans were immoral. They thought they were savages, not immoral.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    That is old testament the new testament is allot different take for example this one Jesus puts the Jews in they’re place. Wonder if he will drive them out of Palestine like this. BTW Haartz removed this same scripture from one of my posts. loan sharks LOL money swindlers times never change.

    When the Passover Feast, celebrated each spring by the Jews, was about to take place, Jesus traveled up to Jerusalem. He found the Temple teeming with people selling cattle and sheep and doves. The loan sharks were also there in full strength.

    15-17Jesus put together a whip out of strips of leather and chased them out of the Temple, stampeding the sheep and cattle, upending the tables of the loan sharks, spilling coins left and right. He told the dove merchants, “Get your things out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a shopping mall!” That’s when his disciples remembered the Scripture, “Zeal for your house consumes me.”

    18-19But the Jews were upset. They asked, “What credentials can you present to justify this?” Jesus answered, “Tear down this Temple and in three days I’ll put it back together.”

    20-22They were indignant: “It took forty-six years to build this Temple, and you’re going to rebuild it in three days?” But Jesus was talking about his body as the Temple. Later, after he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered he had said this. They then put two and two together and believed both what was written in Scripture and what Jesus had said.

  • Elim

    The Balfour Declaration of 1917 is a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of “sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations.”

    This is the document that the zionists point to when they’re asked what right they have to Palestine.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    This is no place for that Zionist bleeding heart crap sympathy has gotten them off the hook for they’re crimes for long enough so GTFO.

  • Elim

    “Theodor Herzl in effect invented Zionism as a true political movement and an international force. Born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, he was fluent in German and French but LACKED Hebrew, Yiddish, and Russian; he was secular, cosmopolitan intellectual, a doctor of law, and a minor play writer. What catalyzed Herzl’s conversion to Zionism was the Dreyfus affair in France.

    In 1894–95 Alfred Dreyfus, a French Jewish officer, was WRONGFULLY convicted of treason and confined to Devil’s Island. The trial triggered a wave of anti-Semitism in the cradle and bastion of Western European liberal democracy. This wave of French anti-Semitism was the PRIME motive behind Herzl authoring “The Jewish State” or Der Judenstaat, which appeared in 1896 under the subtitle of “An Attempt at a Modern Solution of the Jewish Question.”

    Just before Herzl died in 1904, he had succeeded in securing a majority in favor of settling Russian Jews in Uganda as offered by the British. Herzl REFUSED to accept that Palestine ALONE must be the ZIONIST GOAL, and a state of “armed peace” was declared. As soon as he died in July, the Uganda scheme was finished, and his death effectively killed it.”

    Well, it wasn’t started by a Sephardic Jew.

  • Anonymous

    I did not like Dead Head’s first “blanket” statement. We worked it out. Warbucks will never be worked out. Just read another of his posts. He thinks Israel blew up the pipeline that feeds them energy for “strategic” reasons. Pure idiocy.

    I’ve schooled many on here. If you are up for it, go for it. Don’t make blanket statements. Specifically why am I not that bright?

  • Anonymous

    If you skipped them, why are you commenting?

  • Anonymous

    No doubt many Muslims (like Christians) want Armageddon. But they are not in power. They are used more as “soldiers”. Bin Laden, like Bush, believes in his cause. But he would never actually die for it. He does not want to end “the” world or “his” world. Bin Laden and his ilk are Chicken Hawks, much like the Bush Admin and many Republicans. They send others to do their killing and dying while they can hide in caves or behind desks.

  • Taleisin

    My comparison was with the tactics of the Christian European. I read years ago that some Native Americans were massacred by early colonizers because they did not observe the sabbath and they were not correctly married. White man has always needed an excuse for murder and theft. And this is how weak our excuses can be.

    I wouldn’t consider them savage either. Savage tends to mean headhunters or cannibals.
    They were more civilized than the white man who hunted them. As were the aboriginal people here before whitefella turned up.

  • Anonymous

    Cheney believes we can fight a nuclear war and win it. His only morality is blunt force.

  • Anonymous

    Bowing to the inevitable Obama is for regime change but while the US has someone in mind to take over, we don’t control any of this. Egyptions don’t seem to have anyone else in mind to take over ( if they do, tell me who it is and I’ll stand corrected) so what happens if they end up with a military goverment that fails to have elections?

  • Anonymous

    Everybody thinks they’re special. Including Israels neighbors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BT3BHHWB5PGNQJLGFYV7M4VZX4 walley

    what Zonist America can’t understand is Religious zealots because money and riches mean nothing to them.you are not going to buy them.second is oppesses people always revolt and maybe soon in this country.

  • Anonymous

    There has been an undercurrent against it from the start. But then even revolutionary goverments need revenue. Hard to say until you know who runs things.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like it worked pretty well..

  • Jaimie11

    That site expresses some of my own beliefs about zionism – that the state of Israel was established for the Jews is only the cover story. It was established for the British Empire and protection of its oil interests and is now being protected by Britain’s proxy empire builder, America.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes. The British had been carving up Arabia since the 19th Century, arbitrarily creating countries the boundaries of which are still in dispute. But what the hell, the Brits believe they are the anointed rulers of the world. And with all those British oil arrangements with the Arabs being subject to whims of change, they needed a country they had more direct political control over.

    Why not exploit the existing tensions in Europe aided by a little traitorous assistance from the US? We all know the ends justify the means, unquestionably. And voilà, Israel is born, replete now with weapons that can instantly suppress any anti-Empire stirrings in those peoples damned by their sitting on top of a sea of oil.

  • Jaimie11

    Ha, ha, funny how definitions are – headhunters, cannibals, and European colonialists. I am sure you’re familiar with the behavior of Britain, France, Belgium, Spain, etc when coming in contact with all those “inferior” peoples their global explorations took them to.

    Human sacrifice is the tour de force of European culture, and everywhere else in the world where its done small scale as a religious ritual, Europeans call it savage. Ha, ha, ha. They have an ironic sense of humor I guess.

  • Jaimie11

    Did I say I agreed with it Elim? The murder of Christ by the Jews, whether he existed or not, WAS believed by the vast majority of the population. Its veracity or falsehood is moot.

  • Roberthe

    Dead (you really a Dead Head?), the Palestinians and the Jews are the same people; they just worship different perceptions of the same God. The word Palestinian traces back at least to Herodotus-this is a very old story. However, even if the Jews had been there for a gazillion years (interesting that their main history book claims otherwise) and the Palestinians had only shown up in (let’s for argument sake select) 1620 it doesn’t nullify the Palestinians right to live on that land, nor does it abrogate their legal rights under international law, especially those treaties to which Israel is a signatory. And as far as Jews always having lived there, that depends on how you define “Jew”. If you use their religion as the main descriptor then the byzantine argument could be made that the Jews have been there longer than there have been Jews.

  • Jaimie11

    Talei, google racism in Australia. It is a problem but more often than not the majority are not sensitive to what is racist and therefore overlook it or deny it.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/blind-eye-to-racism/story-e6frg6zo-1225720665242

    http://www.antar.org.au/node/221

    http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/racism.html#coon-a-racist-term

    Google also anti-semitism in Australia. It has been very mild due to the assimilation of Australian Jews, but it still exists on the far-right and the far-left.

  • Jaimie11

    Your question Talei is an either/or question. Was it the Jews or the Christians who bear responsibility? And then you provide leading examples, that are far more likely to not be directly related to Jews having left Europe, to suggest the logical answer. (Incidentally, there many Jewish communities in Europe. They never did leave.)

    A question asked in this manner suggests its own answer even if that answer is wrong.
    This is an easy way to advance prejudicial ideas, especially in a time when is has again become fashionable to blame Jews alone for the world’s problems. Good people do this all the time unaware they are being biased.

    Zionism is not a movement that solely benefits Jews, if it does that at all. It is a movement that has been encouraged for centuries, its roots in medieval Britain migrated to the Continent and to the early American colonies. It has been exploited for geopolitical reasons, and has been exacerbated by horrific persecution of Jews, I submit, in order to fulfill those political goals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    these assholes are part and parcel of those who every hundred years or so blame all the worlds problems on the Jews, whether it’s in England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Poland, et al. ad nauseum…I could easily give the dates..Israel isn’t perfect by any measure, but all those whining about Palestinian territory, if they are Americans, should first deal with the expropriation of Native American lands. It seems to me, as an atheist with no religious axe to grind, that they should stop all the self righteous criticism of little Israel trying to exist. Maybe seeing the “Piano” will disabuse some of them of the notion that the Israel’s will ever again let someone else determine their destiny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    I guess you forgot about Bin Laden and the hair he has up his ass for American support of the Saudi government?

  • Anonymous

    Only in this la la land, this illelgal entity called Israel does the horde of est. European pagan converts/squatters believe that conversion to Judaism gives them immediate ownership to Palestinian land. Gives them rights that usurp those of the ethnic Palestinians who have lived and traded on the land for centuries, gives them rights to dispossess, ghettoize and murder Palestinians with wp and dp and gives them rights to circumvent Int.Law

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    I guess you forgot Bin Laden was an American Creation.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Thanks. You took care of that for me. I can’t believe Jamie is so lost. Not one of her best days, apparently.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Rather, what I was pointing at is how they got to Balfour. That tells the whole story.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yes, yes. OT vs. NT. God before bipolar meds and god after bipolar meds.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Egypt has the Muslim Brotherhood. It all ties in rather neatly so they can all go boo! at the same time.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    That would be the only reason. Meet the new boss, actually worse than the old boss. And things are very quiet over at Ha’aretz. Once again and after a huge scare, Big Daddy came to the rescue & saved their asses. Now, they can go back to killing Palestinians.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    My friend, you have stumbled upon the political whirlpool of tinpot dictators and one which, to my dismay, backs Castro and dishonestly look away on his despot regime and atrocities because he’s not backed by the US denounces the Empire while doing exactly the same thing as the US-backed one. In these mental defectives’ ‘minds’ the enemy of my enemy is my friend and his people be damned. You have no idea how very insulting and infuriating these characters are. There are a number of them right here at RS (all whackjobs of sorts too) who have become my personal tortures because I had the audacity to express my opinion (based on decades of experience) on the matter. This whole thing is so screwed up I could spend days on the subject.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Unbeknown to Amerikan idiots (particularly the pseudo-Communist mental rejects who lurk around these parts), Castro has been dying to get into the US pocket since day one. All of that anti-imperialist rhetoric you hear is out of spite because they reject him. The guy is one of the worst psychopaths ever to walk the face of the Earth. If you wanna read something interesting on the subject, try this:

    http://www.thenation.com/article/travels-taxi-reflections-cuba

    The author and lived thru exactly the same period of history so, my experiences and views are exactly his.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Kurt:

    I take issue with anything that mother fucker says. And do you know why? Because I lived his wrath. Unlike you, my friend, I lived the shit. I lived it in my own flesh & blood. I had friends and family jailed and killed by that despot and I had my home decimated by him and my people repressed and that entitles my think and say anything I want about the guy. Unlike you! And if you disagree, you can go fuck yourself! You know nothing, you are not entitled to an opinion in this matter. Not with me anyway. Don’t issue opinions about things you know nothing about. In true Amerikan fashion, you think you have the right to tell people what to think and do because you think so, have a bit of shame and respect and DO NOT GO THERE! You are your Empire!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    What in what I said gave you the idea that I don’t?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    What does that have to do with anything? Besides, the Soviet Union doesn’t even exist anymore. Are you even aware of that? Or do you really suck that bad at the trolling thing?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    There you go! Don’t forget to throw in anti-Semitism and the Holocaust(tm) in there just to be sure.

    Does that mean that you are going back under the rock? Woo hoo!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    WTF? Way to cherry pick random words to show just how disconnected with reality you are.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    He thinks Israel blew up the pipeline that feeds them energy for “strategic” reasons. Pure idiocy.

    This coming from an Israel paid troll. Rich! For everything else, there are tax payer dollars in Tel Aviv.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I beg your pardon Your Excellency. How dare a gentile who ain’t even worth a half a donkey interrupt the Zionist trolls when they’re praising each other?

    Oh, did I tell you to fuck yourself yet? If I haven’t, well, go fuck yourself troll!

  • Anonymous

    No, you were boasting about dissent being patriotic. My point was that it had to be intelligent dissent. Otherwise it is not dissent, it is stupidity.

    That dope in AZ felt that shooting a congresswoman in the head was his way of expressing dissent.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Of course I got a real problem. I’m a goyim.

    BTW, you forgot to call me anti-semitic and Holocaust(tm) denier. There! Feel better now Zionist troll?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Exactly like you, actually. But irony and hypocrisy doesn’t face malevolent trolls such as yourself.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Israel needs to mind its own business. Israel needs to stop destabilizing the Middle East. Israel needs to stop attacking its neighbors. Israel needs to stop the occupation of Palestine and the Apartheid of its people. Israel needs to stop crimes against humanity. Israel needs to stop blackmailing the world because of something that happened 60+ years ago which was neither the US much less the Palestinians fault. Israel needs to stop leeching off the rest of the world for it. The US needs to stop its blind support of Israel. The US needs to stop giving Israel my hard-earned dollars.

    Is that what what you call “Israel needs to go”? If so, yeah, Israel needs to go!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    If my posts offend your Zionist sensibilities so much, there’s an easy way to fix that: DON’T READ THEM! There. See how easy that was?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    WTF? Do you even read what you write? Or do you just strike with random shit for the sake of confusing people as much as you are?

    The Palestinians NEVER used terror to drive the British out. That must be your Zionist revisionist history. It was always the Jews who did that. In fact, it was them who brought terrorism to the ME. And it was those acts of terrorism against the Brits that forced to capitulate and give them Palestine just to get rid of them.

    What a messed up troll you are, Jesus!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    By “5 wars” you mean exactly what? The Arab nations defending themselves against Israel? Is that it? Or are you talking about The Crusades? Your timelines are as messed up as your version of history and your knowledge of facts. But I would expect such tactics from a Hasbarist. Truth is not the goal, confusion and spreading lies and misinformation is.

  • Anonymous

    Lose the childish “paid troll” stupidity. I could have just as easily called you a “paid troll” for 9/11 Truth. It’s a convenient way of avoiding intelligent debate.

    If Israel were looking to stage a terror attack (and I don’t think they are), they would do it against innocent people for sympathy, not a pipeline. The pipeline attacks are giving all the Oil Agreements among Egypt-US-Israel lots of media attention. You really think that was the goal of the Israeli hard Right at this point? For real? Do you realize that there is absolutely ZERO logic to that? ZERO?

    And in case you are aware of it, there are US Taxpayer dollars all over the world. I think Israel needs to be put in it’s place with a lot of what the hard Right does there. But that does not mean every event that happens in the world is a Mossad conspiracy. That is for the Comic Books

    If you are not capable of having a debate without using terms like “troll”, don’t reply to any of my comments.

  • Roberthe

    A defense of Israel’s “rights” to the land it occupies does not, nor ought it, come from genetics. There are overwhelming lines of evidence that both the Sephardim and the Ashkenazim are derived from Middle Eastern roots, and that there is a close genetic relationship between Israels and modern Palestinians, but I sincerely doubt many of us want to use such a line of reasoning to determine rightful ownership of land as it would undermine the legitimacy of virtually every country in western Europe, the New World, and Australia; although there may be others, Iceland and the Basque region are the only areas where the the “owners” are truly indigenous in that they did not supplant previous populations of modern humans. All the rest of us are interlopers, squatters on someone else’s land. I accept that de facto possession is an immoral quagmire on which to base legitimacy but I don’t see a way out of it. Using myself as an example: were I to surrender my land to those with an undisputed genetic claim and return to my ancestral home I would give it back it to the Pomos of northern California (although it was purchased from them, not stolen). However, I couldn’t return to where I was born, Los Angeles, because before it was American it was Mexican, and before it was Mexican it was Spanish, and before it was Spanish it was Tongva and had been for some millennia. So where do I return? I could go back to Massachusetts or Rhode Island, but even my earliest ancestors were not there 400 years ago, whereas the Palestinians have inhabited their land for thousands of years. So it’s back to Europe where most of me will (for a time) go: to England, Scotland, Ireland, France, the Frisian Islands and Germany (though which part of me would go where I can’t determine) for a while until the prior inhabitants lay their ancestral and genetic claim on the land and I moved on. Eventually I will have reintegrated somewhere on the savannahs of eastern Africa, as it is my undisputed genetic home. I will not be alone. When I can I’ll drop by and say hello because you’ll most likely be there too.

  • Roberthe

    All parties? Including the people whose land it was prior to the agreement?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I could have just as easily called you a “paid troll” for 9/11 Truth.

    ROFL! Did you coin that one? Naaaw, you couldn’t possibly have…

    As for the rest of your post, it’s all crap. It has as much merit as the rest of the chicken shit you have spewed all around here for the past several days. However, I do realize that, in your mind (and I say that lightly), you are being clever, making a point, counter acting…blah blah blah. Yet, you are doing no more or less the same thing yo accuse me of doing.

    Moreover, I rather sense that you’re one of these types who absolutely loves to talk out of both sides of his ass and then admire his work. Boy, did you just stumble upon the wrong one for that. Ha ha!

    But I do wish you better luck next time. Or, if you wish, you can continue replying to each and every single one of my posts and then read them back to yourself. If that kind of thing gives you a hard on.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Right, right. I get your point: you have nothing intelligent to say, therefore, you shoot out of both sides of your ass. Point well taken.

  • Anonymous

    Brilliant. You completely avoided any discussion and when off on rhetoric. Congratulations. You have been selected as a new talk show host for one of the cable networks. Don’t worry about substance, fact, or discussion. Just keep on generalizing.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    It’s not discussion I’m avoiding. It’s bullshit. Will you ever get the point or will you continue talking just to hear yourself?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    sure, but he attacked us for supporting the Saudi dictatorship; Israel is thrown in for the rest of the anti semites in the arab world to gain more credibility.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    are you really that fucking stupid?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    thank you for some clarity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    correct; some people are just fucking morons with an agenda-it does zero good to argue with their bloviations; all they do is post, post, post in an attempt to obtain some meaning in their empty hateful lives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    then you need to read that bible you keep quoting and all the murdering that has been justified by it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    excellent post; thank you

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    if you keep nailing him, tears will flow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    watch out; he will report you to the moderator of this site and accuse you of stalking!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    Cuba is a wonderful place; go visit and make up your own mind- instead of the constant propaganda from the gangsters and their rapacious elitest ilk that fled with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    good answer; Jews have been blamed for social problems and kicked out of Italy, France, Germany, Spain, England, Poland, etc every hundred years or so; if the Palins of the US come to power they will do it again; as bad as Israel is in some ways, at least they won’t have their destiny controlled by others (see,e.g., the Piano); they just have to recognize and get along with the Palestinians [this time...] at least the ones who’s position is they have a right to exist…for the others? too bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    aren’t savages by definition immoral?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    thank you for exposing the obvious hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    I made a point of how absurd your theory of Israel blowing up a gas pipeline to themselves would be. I gave specifics how that actually would work AGAINST Israeli interests because now these Energy Agreements have been brought to the attention of the media.. Your response was to call me a troll. No substance at all. You are the one spewing BS. It was clearly a terror act to give these Agreements media attention. There are many in Egypt who do not like these Agreements. They are the ones behind the pipeline hits. Duh.

    Save the BS and name calling and just explain to me how Israel blowing up a pipeline that serves their own energy needs is somehow a plot that works to their benefit. I’m,all ears.

  • Anonymous

    Watch it. Soon he will be talking about how tears do not really exist, they are really all part of a Jewish Conspiracy to control all emotions in the world…….

  • Anonymous

    And by the way, how come you are avoiding the fact that I completely embarrassed all you 9/11 “controlled demo and missile” theory folks on this site? You avoided debate on that as soon as I started to show you evidence, videos, etc.

    It doesn’t even matter. You see all the evidence and ignore it. A line I use for people like you is that I will show you a mountain of evidence proving the world is round, and you will ignore it all and say “A website I saw says that if the world were round, how come people in the lower hemisphere don’t fall off?” You then claim that this proves that all the evidence I showed you on the earth’s roundness is really a big Israeli conspiracy. After all, they are in the Middle East geographically, so they have the least chance of falling off a flat earth,so they want everyone to believe it is round.

    That really is not an inaccurate assessment of your viewpoints and theories.

  • Jaimie11

    Yeah, I recall that – Holbrooke’s genocide in East Timor, military aid for Suharto to destroy the Communist Party.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/28/the_democrats_suharto_bill_clinton_richard

    http://www.gendercide.org/case_timor.html

  • Jaimie11

    Don’t get me wrong Alan, I am totally against what Israeli Zionist Jews are doing to the Palestinians, and was against it immediately that I learned what was going on there. I am an atheist/agnostic and I do not believe one moment that anyone’s God of light and love would condone what can only be called a controlled long term genocide against Palestinians.

    My understanding of the true spiritual meaning of the Holy City is that it is a state of mind, and that the ultra orthodox Hasidim sect of anti-intellectual, bible literalists, are spiritual heretics. The other branch of ultra orthodoxy, Haredi, are just as bad. If they believe God is a force for goodness in the world they certainly are not reflecting well on their God. And American Christians and Jews who support Israel in spite of her behavior are also heretical, aiding and abetting heresy.

    But I do not blame Jews in general for their having been forced to crave a homeland after having experienced Hitler’s Final Solution to the Jewish Problem. I do hold them responsible for the inhumanity they demonstrated to the Palestinians once they arrived and continue to demonstrate. I understand how it is that an abused people might become abusers, but I hold them responsible and I condemn them for continuing. They’re not children and there are no excuses.

    I support the Israeli Peace movement, and the American Jews for Peace, and all the other groups who support peace and the rights of the Palestinian people. But I will not ever agree with the far right and far left who appear to want to find a genetic cause of the Zionist nightmare. I will never agree with them for one reason only, that such a position is a hateful racism that will only generate more hate and more suffering.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You embarrassed me? Muuuaaa haaaa… It’s going to take slightly more than a moronic comment that makes as much sense as a raincoat in the desert to embarrass me. However, you’re doing a pretty good job of embarrassing yourself right now. Another one who’s ignorance has no limitations and knows no bounds. Keep on talking and remove any doubt there may be.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Did you forget that you are under warning of stalking or do I have to report you again? You will not get another warning. Your queer ass will be out of here. So go ahead, mother fucker. Try me!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Now you know. Your conversation to me is an interesting as a quiet fart in a crowded elevator. But go ahead, keep going. Make as ass out of yourself see if I care.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You don’t get it troll, do you? I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN TALKING TO YOU. You’re way too dumb for my taste. Did you get that or should I repeat it a couple more times? As for your gay buddy there, better watch it or you’ll may end up getting booted together for stalking. Not that I would mind really. A couple less dumb assholes to deal with.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Blah blah blah blah blah

    I have big ears.

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Look at m, Ma, I’m talking to myself.

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

  • Anonymous

    YOU wrote to ME first dope. And your childish comments have reinforced your status as a not too bright person.

  • Anonymous

    Again, no substance. Just name calling. Won’t even address any issues. None. Amazing.

  • Jaimie11

    eric, do you believe there is a shadow banking system? If I told you there is you would probably not believe me. But you might believe it if your own government investigation into the Wall Street/Bankster melt down claimed to have discovered a Shadow Banking System in place behind the overt banking system.

    It’s all here in the official Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission Report published in January of 2011. Chapters 1 and 2 are riveting reading so far. And to think that all this happened because Republicans wrote the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, and our Democrat President Clinton happily signed it into law.

    http://c0182732.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/fcic_final_report_full.pdf

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    “Pigs don’t infiltrate groups and throw rocks in order to get people to riot.”…i have seen it happen , first hand, over a dozen times…the voices in your head…THEY LIE…

  • Jaimie11

    Me too! A few times, up close!

  • Jaimie11

    Sounds like a CIA plot.

  • Jaimie11

    I kind of lean towards the Helen Thomas solution, for the minority right winger God-is-talking-to-me legal and illegal Jewish settlers.

    Oh, and Obama is not a hitler, but he wouldn’t mind taking the job I fear.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    What part of “I’M NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR BULLSHIT” do I need to explain to you?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Man! You put that finger up your ass and you just don’t let you. What the fuck is it with you mental cases? Do you ever get it?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    So, who could possibly benefit from this, huh? Think. Shut your piehole for two seconds and use that brain (if you have one) to produce one thought. It will help if you shut your mouth while you are it.

    Who could possibly benefit from this politically?

    I would really appreciate it if, after you read this and formulate an answer (if you can think that far), you go fuck yourself, okay?

    I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DISCUSSING ANYTHING WITH YOU. YOU ARE A COMPLETE BORE!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Probe finds Sinai pipeline blast was caused by bomb

    Sinai security sources says ‘foreign elements’ targeted pipe that supplies Jordan; supplies to Israel were halted as a precaution.

    The chief investigator into the gas terminal explosion in Egypt’s northern Sinai Peninsula says it was caused by four masked gunmen who set off a bomb.

    Saboteurs blew up a natural pipeline that runs through Egypt’s northern Sinai, Egypt state television reported on Saturday, disrupting flow to Israel and Jordan after Islamist groups called on militants to exploit the unrest that has rocked the government.

    Judge Abdel Nasser el-Tayeb said in a report on Monday that the terminal’s guards testified that the men stormed the terminal in two cars, briefly restrained the guards and then set off the explosives by remote control.

    Egypt’s natural gas company on Saturday had blamed the blast on a gas leak. The terminal is part of a pipeline system that transports gas from Egypt’s Port Said on the Mediterranean Sea to Israel, Syria, and Jordan.

    Probe finds Sinai pipeline blast was caused by bomb
    Sinai security sources says ‘foreign elements’ targeted pipe that supplies Jordan; supplies to Israel were halted as a precaution.
    By The Associated Press Tags: Israel news Sinai

    The chief investigator into the gas terminal explosion in Egypt’s northern Sinai Peninsula says it was caused by four masked gunmen who set off a bomb.

    Saboteurs blew up a natural pipeline that runs through Egypt’s northern Sinai, Egypt state television reported on Saturday, disrupting flow to Israel and Jordan after Islamist groups called on militants to exploit the unrest that has rocked the government.

    Judge Abdel Nasser el-Tayeb said in a report on Monday that the terminal’s guards testified that the men stormed the terminal in two cars, briefly restrained the guards and then set off the explosives by remote control.

    Egypt’s natural gas company on Saturday had blamed the blast on a gas leak. The terminal is part of a pipeline system that transports gas from Egypt’s Port Said on the Mediterranean Sea to Israel, Syria, and Jordan.
    sinai – AFP – February 6 2011

    Flames rise from a gas pipeline attack, carried about by unknown saboteurs, as Egyptians gather in the northern Sinai yesterday.
    Photo by: AFP

    The attack happened as demonstrations against President Hosni Mubarak entered their 12th day, with no sign of an end to the confrontation that has pitted the 82-year-old leader against thousands of anti-government protesters.

    “Saboteurs took advantage of the security situation and blew up the gas pipeline,” a state television correspondent said.

    Following the explosion, Israel Radio said, quoting sources in the consortium overseeing imports, that the blast did not target supplies to Israel but they had been halted as a precaution.

    Israel gets 40 percent of its natural gas from Egypt, a deal built on their landmark 1979 peace accord.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement assuring that Israel would not suffer from power cuts due to the halt of gas supply.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/probe-finds-sinai-pipeline-blast-was-caused-by-bomb-1.341844

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Fucking troll!

  • Anonymous

    So where exactly is the part that would give any evidence that Israel blew up the pipeline. Nothing you posted even implies that.

    Again, why would Israel want these Energy Agreements to be made public? It hurts them strategically. Just tell me what the strategy behind such a move is? You keep avoiding that very simple question.

  • Anonymous

    You just admitted you have no idea who could benefit from this, and why they would benefit.

    Again, how would Israel blowing up a pipeline benefit Israel? Very simple question. And don’t give me “if you don’t know, I’m not going to tell you”. First grade kids do that. Try to be a mature adult and answer the question.

  • Anonymous

    You really think Israel is going to invade Egypt? You are delusional.

  • Anonymous

    So you respond to a guy who made an independent post (you draw first blood), and then you tell him not to read your posts.

    You have a habit of replying to comments unsolicited, and then when the person tries to engage debate, you tell them to get lost and stop reading your posts.

    A FOX talk show host. When people start to talk smart and make you look bad, you just cover your ears and shout over them.

    Don’t post a reply to someone if you can’t handle a reply back.

  • Anonymous

    One stupid post after another after another and still, you can’t understand why people can’t be bothered to reply.

    And quoting FAUX News. In case there were any doubts.

  • Anonymous

    Israeli cmdr. urges readiness for war

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/16167.html

    Yep and delusional is the word I would use too…for you that is. I would also use another word TROLL. And a bad one at that.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Terror attack on Egypt-Israel gas pipeline in El-Arish’

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=20881

  • Anonymous

    Israel allows Egypt troops in Sinai for first time since 1979 peace treaty
    Due to street protests threatening Mubarak’s regime, Israel agrees to let about 800 Egyptian soldiers into Sharm el-Sheikh area in Sinai.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-allows-egypt-troops-in-sinai-for-first-time-since-1979-peace-treaty-1.34405

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    ‘Terror attack on Egypt-Israel gas pipeline in El-Arish’

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=206881

  • Anonymous

    About that delusion? How’s that going for ya?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    So, essentially, you have a problem with others doing that which you engage in yourself. Nice!

    You have a habit of replying to comments unsolicited

    And you don’t. ROFL! The irony!

    and then when the person tries to engage debate, you tell them to get lost and stop reading your posts.

    I apologize for that and plea temporary insanity. For a split second, I could have sworn there was intelligence in there somewhere. But thanks for proving me wrong.

    A FOX talk show host. When people start to talk smart and make you look bad, you just cover your ears and shout over them.

    Muaaa haaa… Meh thinks meh knows where you gets your ‘wits’ from. It all makes sense now, Glenn.

    Don’t post a reply to someone if you can’t handle a reply back.

    You know what, that was yesterday. This is today. Nobody should give an idiot like you the benefit of what appears to be a retreat. Ask and you shall receive!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Thanks, dude. Good catch on the FIXED News things. Ha ha! That explains it all.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Thanks, dude. You beat me to it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Do you really care what I think?

    And, yes, those who can’t hear the music think those who can are quite insane. Coincidentally, did you happen to notice how many other people happen to be as “delusional” as I am? And speaking of delusional, who’s your new boyfriend Allan Flatt, the resident stalker doing? Is that working out for you? Funny how birds of a feather flock together and all that.

    BTW, how’s that Zionist ass-kissing going for ya this lovely morning?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I beg your pardon? I just admitted to what? Boy, reading comprehension isn’t your strongest skills (note to self: as one would expect from some who quotes FOX…he he).

    See, here’s the problem. You have a slight problem with density as evidenced, among many other things by the fact that you think I admitted to not knowing what I know. Not that it doesn’t make perfect sense…for you. There are things, such as this that don’t need to be explained. Explaining to someone like you is like talking to a lamp post. Either you get it or you don’t and all the explaining, talking and evidence in the world ain’t gonna do doodley squat.

    Now, if you weren’t a paid Zionist troll, you would see it too. But you are and you don’t. So much for that.

    And, yeah. Glad I could explain that to you. Since your ‘rationale’ is more convoluted than the root system on a mangrove, I’m sure you’ll get what I’m trying to say.

  • Anonymous

    You sent nothing that would show me that Israel is about to invade Egypt, nor anything whatsoever that Israel staged a pipeline attack. Nothing. There will be no invasion, any maneuvers are political posturing. When Israel “invades” (and THAT is the term that was used Warbucks), let me know.

  • Anonymous

    You are not even capable of doing research.

  • Anonymous

    Your maturity level is frightening. I’m beginning to think you are some teenage kid.

  • Anonymous

    One could interpret that as Egypt invading Sinai using some of the logic you used in other posts.

  • Anonymous

    You could have answered the question with one paragraph. Instead you wrote a whole essay explaining why you ……..won’t answer the question. The reason is of course that you can’t.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I do reply to comments unsolicited. But thanks for taking that part of the sentence out of context ala Sean Hannity. The rest of the sentence is that you then tell the person you don’t want to talk to them. I never say that.

    You did what 9/11 Truth did with Firefighters quotes. Took them WAY out of context to the point where you would get theh OPPOSITE impression of what the person was saying.

    Example “I heard what sounded like a series of explosions”. WOW!. Next part of sentence that “Truth” left out – “then I turned around and I could see it was the floors smashing onto to each other one after the other”.

    THAT is the difference. I engage debate. You yell and scream and never are able to defend your idiotic position. Classic FOX tact. Your attitude is “I am right because I screamed over you and called you names”……..

  • Johnny Warbucks

    If that makes you happy…

    And congratulations, brilliant answer. Did you research that one at FAUX Nation or did a little Zionist bird whisper it into you ear?

  • Anonymous

    Are you obsessed with the term Zionist? Plus, I have been very critical of hard Right Israeli policy. How does this make me a Zionist? Just because I don’t agree with every theory of yours? When I defend policies of Muslim countries, this makes me an Islamic Militant? When I criticized the Bush Admin, this made me anti American? You play the “association game” like Glen Beck does. It’s childish.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Whatever rocks your boat, toots.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not to bright? Boo hoo. I’m hoit. Really, really hoit. Did Glenn tell you to say that or was it Bill?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist Zionist

    I just love saying the word early in the morning. It’s like music to my ears.

    And you? A very critical of hard Right Israeli policy? Muuuaaa haaaa Do you really convince all the people you troll that easily or do you think you do? Never mind that, I think you’ve manged to confuse yourself.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    There ya go! As expected. Ask for proof and when presented with it, dismiss it. Must be all that ‘very critical of hard Right Israeli policy’ thingie you wuz talkin’ bout earlier, eh?

    He he he…

    And see, that would be the reason why I didn’t want to go into it with you. You are not reasonable. You are not intelligent. You are not honest. How can anyone be expected to have any kind of civil discourse with someone who puts their hands over their eyes and ears and goes “la la la”?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Out of context? ROFL! There ya go. The dishonesty I was talking about before. You don’t like what you see or hear? Dismiss it. You say something and then realize how stupid and/or hypocritical you are, accuse the other person of taking it out of context. Sure.

    And, yes, I can see you’re quite the FIXED News characters expert. You keep mentioning them, quoting them, describing them, admiring them. :)

    Yeah. Not we’re back to 9/11. Meh thinks that’s a point of contention with you. As is the case with all FIXED News loyals. They believe the “official” events of 9/11 but also “believe” that there is no global warming, Obama is a Muslem and a Communist and who the fuck knows what else. I tend to lose track from time to time but have a feeling that you’re going to remind them all to me. One by one.

    And now you’re giving me an English lecture. ROFL! Rich! This from the troll who can’t even read straight what I say. Unbelievable!

    No, honey. You don’t engage in debate. You engage in a chicken hatchery of sorts. You can’t even keep one point straight, you don’t understand things, you’re condescending yet ignorant, you ask for proof and when given to you, you dismiss it summarily. It’s obvious that your attention span is very sketchy at best and you have to resort to treachery in order to justify it which, I have to admit, is quite clever for a person with such a disability.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Whatever rocks your boat and satisfies your bruised ego.

    Oh, heavens, help this individual.

    BTW, have you taken your meds today? Shouldn’t you? At least try, please, for me. For my own sanity.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    5 years old and learning how to type. And what is your problem? Alzheimers? Or too many meds?

  • Anonymous

    Using “my” logic? Wow, man, that’s so twisted. I can see now why Johnny wouldn’t engage you. I guess he knew better. Sorry I interjected. Continue ignoring fact and evidence and carry on. Must be a nice world of fantasy that one you live in, eh?

  • Anonymous

    Sure. And if I showed you a pic, then you’d rationalize that it was someone in disguise. If I show you a signed document, it would be a forgery. The bottom line is that you don’t want to see, therefore, you will never see.

    I think we’re quite finished here. You have shown me that there’s nothing else I can do. Sorry for the interruption. You can go back to your little bubble of delusion now. I’m sure there are plenty of forums on the Internet where you can apply your Hasbara techniques more effectively. You do get paid by the post, right?

  • Anonymous

    You have not shown a pic or signed doc. You showed some posturing. I see zero saying that Israel staged the pipeline attack, and I do not see how that works to their advantage. If they were going to stage an attack to help their cause, they would kill innocent civilians, not blow up a pipeline. There is no strategic logic. The Israeli media are even trying to downplay the incident by saying it does not affect them, etc.

    And Warbucks discussed “invasion”. Invasion involves troops entering a country for purpose of war and taking land. When that happens, I am wrong. Until then, you may not be “wrong”, but you are not “correct” either.

  • Anonymous

    You are saying that Egypt putting more troops into Sinai is actually Israel invading Egypt?

    You do also realize that eventually the troops are going to be siding with the protesters, yes?

  • Anonymous

    Please, don’t think. You may hurt yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus fucking Christ, you are stupid!

  • Anonymous

    We’ve been down this road. I don’t believe the official 9/11 story. There was a huge coverup of ties to some Saudi Royals and Pakistan’s ISI. These were politically embarrassing. And there was also a cover-up of all the advanced and specific warnings given to the Bush Admin (Putin, the French, the Mossad, just to name a few). There was also coverup of some incompetence, some of it excusable in the panic that day.

    But there was no controlled demo, missiles, stand-down’s, etc. NONE. I have made every one of these arguments looks foolish, because they are.

    And if you actually read my posts I have always defended that global warming exists, and that Obama is a fine man. So you are rambling with no facts behind it. You are generalizing and stereotyping, classic racist/bigot type.

    You twisted my sentence to fit your meaning. It was blatant.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for actually forming a response and not just calling me names….

  • Anonymous

    No, thank you for forming such an intelligent response. When faced by facts, you still remain, well, clueless and adamant in your position. What a waste of space!

  • Anonymous

    Which link specifically backed up your assertion that Israel is “invading” Egypt. The notion that they are “doing things” there is not new. Israel has been operating in Egypt for years. This is common knowledge. I want to know about this “invasion” you discussed.

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