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Why can’t the US legalize drugs? There’s ‘too much money in it,’ Clinton says

By Daniel Tencer
Monday, February 7, 2011 17:55 EDT
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In what will likely be seen as something of a Freudian slip by the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton said recently in a Mexican news interview that the United States cannot legalize drugs as a means of fighting the black market because “there is just too much money in it.”

Asked by Denise Maerker of Televisa what she thought of drug legalization, Clinton said it was unlikely to work.

“There is just too much money in it,” Clinton said. “You can legalize small amounts for possession, but those who are making so much money selling, they have to be stopped. They can’t be given an even easier road to take, because they will then find it in their interest to addict even more young people.”

The comments drew criticism from legalization advocates who argued her position was a misunderstanding of the situation.

“Clinton’s response illustrates not only the intellectual bankruptcy of the prohibitionist position but the economic ignorance of a woman who would be president,” Jacob Sullum argued at Reason.com.

Clinton evidently does not understand that there is so much money to be made by selling illegal drugs precisely because they are illegal. Prohibition not only enables traffickers to earn a “risk premium” that makes drug prices much higher than they would otherwise be; it delivers this highly lucrative business into the hands of criminals who, having no legal recourse, resolve disputes by spilling blood.

At the Drug War Chronicle, Scott Morgan called Clinton’s argument “perfectly incoherent” and argued it flew in the face of economic theory.

I can’t help but wonder what everyone on the left would say if this preposterous analysis came from Sarah Palin, rather than Hillary Clinton. It’s the sort of profound nonsense that ought to get you skewered by Jon Stewart, yet our Secretary of State will almost certainly get a free pass on misunderstanding literally everything about the escalating violence below our border.

Clinton’s interview focused mainly on Mexico’s drug war, which was launched in 2006 by President Felipe Calderon and has cost an estimated 34,000 lives, including more than 1,000 minors.

The toll’s severity prompted former Mexican President Vicente Fox to come out in favor of legalizing drugs as a way of taking the steam out of organized crime.

President Calderon has not gone as far himself, but did approve legislation decriminalizing possession of small amounts of most recreational drugs, and has called for a debate on new approaches to dealing with drugs.

With additional reporting by Stephen C. Webster

 
 
 
 
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  • Guest

    That’s why she did not get the nomination: Pro war – intellectually bankrupt.

  • Anonymous

    She is exactly right as always, there is too much money involved. Except the money in question is for fattening the arsenals of small town police departments across the USA. Show me a police department willing to give up the gravy train.

  • hegesias

    Much of which will come right out of the pockets of the liquor lobby/industry.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UOTSH4BDY6AGENMAUUS3T3EYRE Eric

    The money is in the Lawyer’s and police and judges and court reporters and court recorders and bailiffs and undercover officers and prisons and private prison owners and…………………………..

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    hell yeah!…truckloads of money (was that 20 million or 20 thousand?), cars,electronics,firearms, fines, resale of “confiscated” drugs, legal fees…the war on drugs is a freaking gold mine and we all get the shaft…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WDCRZLG2KHQVYSWCN4POSUAKWU Michelle Beach

    Hillary was the First Lady…a Ceremonial Position. Then The Idiots in New York Elected her …US Senator.
    Then she became the Secretary of State.
    And now Im thinking….Palin could be President.
    I need Drugs…..Really good Drugs!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Here is a fact, …

    The US could have bought ALL the illegal drugs no matter what it is, … for 1/2 the price of what we spent fighting it.

    Their is to much money in that, and also in the prison system.

    It’s all about Human Warehousing, … + $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations, Hillary, you win the “Dumbest Excuse for Prohibition” award.

    I expect she’ll hold the title for about 20 minutes.

  • Anonymous

    The Plutocracy derives a large portion of their income by engaging in this form of organized crime (they don’t make all their money on war/defense). Hillary serves her plutocrat masters well in this regard. She is boosting the funding for our military presence in Colombia, ostensibly to combat production of illegal drugs, but in reality sending our tax dollars to the corrupt elements in Colombia that run the show.

  • http://twitter.com/HombreFicticio Savior Self

    Obama inside his head is thinking: fucking elite assholes they are taking too long to put someone in power, this shit is getting fucking obvious.

  • tironeshoolaces

    There’s too much money in it for the prosecutors,lawyers,judges, and the yoyo’s who run prisons like the GEO group.

  • gypski®

    Maybe Hil and Bill are cashing in through the shells that launder the moola.

  • tironeshoolaces

    sorry Eric, i didnt read comments before i posted pretty much the same answer…..i couldnt help myself but to blurt it out, its so obvious.

  • Anonymous

    So, Clinton is saying the illegal drug market controls Congress?

  • Anonymous

    No offense but she’s a total idiot.
    Out of touch.
    Legalize Hemp fools!
    A sustainable green industry flourishing in other countries.
    How do these people get elected?
    Board of Directors at WalMart!
    We might as well elect Ronald McDonald for President.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    The “war on drugs”, just like the “war on poverty” and the “war on terror”, is a total failure. They have the wrong approach.

  • http://twitter.com/home KerrynowCampau

    Court staff do a hell of a lot more than deal with drug cases. Divorce, child custody/support, people suing each other for one reason or another (car wrecks, unpaid rent, unfulfilled contracts ). If drugs were legalized they would still have plenty to keep them busy.

  • Anonymous

    Gotta love those faux passes. But for those, we would never really know what they think. And I have a feeling that I know just where she gets that keen sense of business from too.

  • Anonymous

    Right and w-a-ay wrong.

    There is too much money alright—for the drug sellers and drug smugglers. The very fact drugs are illegal is the sole reason a black market is created and is successful.

    Make them available legally and the money INSTANTLY goes out of the picture and the black market is fucked.

    Then take one tenth of the gazillions we’re spending in absurd hopes of interdiction and put it into treatment.

    That leaves you nine tenths to get this economy back to prosperity again. Leaves the cops, DEA and Coast Guard free to pursue and solve REAL crimes.

    How simple does it have to be? You can’t get a kitten to play with a ball of yarn unless you pull it away.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    sorry we already elected a clown name Ronald, not that Mr. McDonald wouldn’t do better.

  • Anonymous

    “We might as well elect Ronald McDonald for President.”

    Didn’t he already serve, 1981 to 1989?

  • hegesias

    1968-2010 so far

  • hegesias

    She a fucking corporate whore just like Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Does she really so completely miss the reality that that legalization will drop prices through the floor, or is she hoping some of that money will accrue to her for her campaign?
    I remember organizing for NORML in Oregon years ago, and I met a man I knew to be growing a good bit of very good pot. He threatened to beat me, saying “you are going to ruin my business”.

  • ComradeRutherford

    Clinton is not authorized to tell the truth:

    There is too much money in it for the DEA and the for-profit prison industry. They will not allow the White House to legalize anything. It makes no difference who is president, they have no actual authority.

  • Anonymous

    With drugs legalized how would the CIA (Criminals In Action) finance their covert operations?

  • Anonymous

    Legalizing pot, as good as it sounds will only encourage Mexico and other country to grow more and undercut the government with the taxes that would be on pot. And even if the government decriminalized it, there would be a larger supply because we refuse to secure our borders. SO no matter what happens, it will still come in

  • Anonymous

    One constantly and endlessly hears the dim-witted (sorry, but there’s no other way to explain them) attempt to explain the “positive reasons” for legalizing drugs.

    Duuuuuuuhhhhh……. — anybody who passed first-year Algebra understands this, simple-minded folk.

    The reasons for not legalizing drugs is that it would reduce the costs, and they would also be taxable.

    Right not the power elites make tons of money. Before the Bush #2 administration invaded Afghanistan, their poppy production was waaaaay down. Since the invasion and semi-occupation, poppy production has once again skyrocketed.

    Before Bush #1 administration invaded Panama, their cocaine processing was down. After the illegal Panama invasion back around ’90, their cocaine processing was once again at record levels.

    The purpose of the “war on drugs” was to raise the price of drugs. That and that alone was the main reason.

    Read your financial history. Look into the financing of America’s Prohibition (1920 – 1933), and the original financing behind NAFTA. It’s not coincidental that the banksters were behind both.

    The Clintons, Bushes, and other lackeys of the power elite fully understand the situation and will sometimes make an error in speech.

    So what, as long as the rubes continue to “believe” in them.

  • Anonymous

    See, this SynGas is the typical, clueless idiot and moron who will never, ever be capable of finding his own vagina.

    His or her idiotic and simpleton kind will always fall for that “loophole” argument — because they are too damn eternally lazy to ever READ THE FRIGGING LEGISLATION!

    Negative, moron, the ‘total idiot” and all the others fully comprehend what is happening — it is simpletons like you who don’t understand arithmetic, will never grasp the math, and still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and The Economy.

    First, study economics. Second, study history. Third, learn a little math.

    The do the math, moron. Why do you think over 70% of American-based multinationals pay no taxes? Why do you think all that American “aid” goes to building factories and production facilities and R&D laboratories for American-based multimationals to offshore the jobs to foreign shores?

    Geez, you’re an idiot!

  • Guest

    The hypocritical Freudian slip Clinton admitted in reality, is the money-making aspect that is actually for the judicial and prison industrial systems. All those lawyers.

    How come she doesn’t worry about the alcohol and tobacco industry and how they try and “find it in their interest to addict even more young people.”
    -Joe Camel

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    Clinton was quoted as saying ” I mean seriously, didn’t you guys pay attention to the Iran-Contra hearings? The CIA makes a bunch of money running drugs. Don’t you understand who runs the the government and elects the president? Even then that is the tip of the iceberg. When you consider our for profit prisons that are in reality slave labor camps we couldn’t possibly open the drug market to anyone else by legalization.”

  • Anonymous

    Yep, legalizing hemp is something the greedy corporate fucks will do anything to stop, chumps!

  • Anonymous

    of course there’s too much $$$ in it…..with the d.e.a. and all the local enforcement guys….legalizing means all these folks would be out of work…not to mention the possibility of some elected official ? the stunning amount of drugs coming into the country cannot be done on the backs (or lower intestines) of various mules, nor catapults on the border……
    semis, freighters, shipping containers……THAT’S how large volumes of merchandise gets moved…!

  • Anonymous

    Fuck you Shillary!

  • Phil E. Drifter

    You’re full of shit, Hillary. The legal drugs are the most dangerous ones on the planet.

    http://letseatcake.org.s85789.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/War-on-Drugs.jpg

  • Anonymous

    You have to wait until that teenager is older. Then you can freely kill him with asbestos or diactyl or methylene chloride. And he doesn’t even have to know it!

  • Anonymous

    Does what she said even make sense?

  • Anonymous

    She doesn’t misunderstand anything, as the legalization advocate asserts. She’s been around too long. She knows the score and inside info. The CIA funds covert activity with the illegal drug trade. Ask Gary Webb. Oh, you can’t, because he’s dead for knowing too much and attempting to uncover it. There’s kick backs all over the place for that kind of action. Then you have all the politicians pockets that are lined from the tobacco and alcohol lobbies. If all drugs were legal those two entities would see a huge profit decline. I almost forgot the prison industry and the court systems would lose income from all the drug action from the petty to the large stuff. Imagine all the problems it would cause if drugs were decriminalized. All the folks that are serving bids for drugs would have to be let out or at least get new trials if there were other charges involved.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JRBJ4PCICLE2LKWF2USZSQWGG4 Jim

    What bs. Where there is too much money in it is spending for the Drug War, which has topped 3 trillion dollars over 20 years.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. But also lawyers, judges, and the Military Industrial Congressional Prison Complex.

  • Anonymous

    The Clinton’s are totally corrupt.
    The US makes tons of money from so called illegal drugs*, they want to keep it that way. Watch this video, and towards the end, you’ll see why: http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/joe-rogan-the-american-war-machine/

    * And from legal drugs they push everyday on TV, bastards.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    It’s too bad that it was Portugal that De-criminalized drugs and not Canada. If our Northern neighbor was the country actually winning the war on drugs the Repugnants would not be able to hide behind their Euro-snobbery to say “it won’t work over here”!

    The ONLY good news to come of the looming state budget cuts will be forced re-evaluation of our criminal injustice system. We can hope that sanity prevails and we copy Portugal’s proven model and evolve to a more enlighten position….maybe!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget the prison system and courts losing money.

  • Anonymous

    They all are.

  • Anonymous

    Wait…isn’t Shillary just admitting the obvious?

    No illegal drug trade equals no billions in laundered monies, covert ops, slave labor, scapegoats, police pensions and prisons.

    Without the war on drugs, where would you derive your gangs and murders and slave labor?

    As for “weed”, it’s called that for a reason. You could grow it in your backyard! And where’s the money in that?

    Never ceases to amaze that the American public fiercely desires “drug control” while they consume the most drugs on the planet, while their intelligence agencies bring in the dope, and while banks and lawyers and politicians and police make a killing at your expense.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

  • http://twitter.com/UTSavage Peggy Pendleton

    You’re share button doesn’t work or I’d have shared this.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    There is too much money in it…just not for dealers…for prisons and law enforcement. It would be a financial catastrophe for the looters who live on tax dollars and make a living rounding up and incarcerating Americans for even minor crimes. Now that billions are involved in the process, that entrenched bureaucratic heap of slime will fight tooth and nail to keep every penny and gain more. If you really want to balance a states budgets…stop treating minor civil issues as felonies and clogging the courts and jails with penny ante crime.

    It would be worth it to lay aside a few dollars to arrest, try and convict Billary tho…keeping those two collaborating scumbags behind bars would be money well spent.

  • Anonymous

    what a complete fucking idiot this woman is, exactly the reason shes the secretary of state,
    COMPLETE FUCKING WAR WHORE, THE PHONEY WAR ON TERRRR AND THE REDICULOUS WAR ON DRUGS! fucking whore!

  • Anonymous

    “I can’t help but wonder what everyone on the left would say if this preposterous analysis came from Sarah Palin, rather than Hillary Clinton.”

    Ha! Apparently this dude does not read comments on Raw Story! We eat our own, because NObody tells a lefty what to think!

  • Anonymous

    You contradict yourself. Hillary=Insider.Palin=Not.

  • Anonymous

    Coney Island–Van Morrison

    “Coming down from Downpatrick
    Stopping off at St. John’s Point
    Out all day birdwatching
    And the craic was good
    Stopped off at Strangford Lough
    Early in the morning
    Drove through Shrigley taking pictures
    And on to Killyleagh
    Stopped off for Sunday papers at the
    Lecale District, just before Coney Island”……………..

    Ha ha ha ha ha, “ceoil agus craic”.

  • Anonymous

    No, she’s just attempting to lull you into thinking she had a legit point. The drug dealers would find it in their interest to addict even more young people she says. Isn’t that capitalism? Tell it to Phillip Morris or Coca Cola or Starbucks or just about anything sold here by a corporation.

  • Anonymous

    You are pretty funny, you agree with what she says and yet still you are brainwashed into disagreeing with everything she says.

  • CozmicSeer

    It’s amazing how little this woman thinks of democracy and what America should be like. It was founded on freedom from oppression by government yet she continues for advocate just that. She must live in a world filled with delusions of grandeur. A pity we have to put up with her.

  • Anonymous

    Pretty bizarre reasoning.

    Pot is expensive to transport and cheap to grow. If it is legal there is no point in having export markets, countries can just grow their own.

    Since everyone can just grow it themselves, there is no point to putting any sort of tax on it because it will just encourage another black market, which is what we are trying to get away from.

    Since the taxes will be low and the cost of growing is low and the cost of transport is high, there is just no point to importing Mexican pot! There IS a point to high grade super premium crop and the Americans who grow it will make a fine profit!

    Look at all the farmers making jack squat for growing wheat or corn in this country. They can make 10x the profits from growing weed. They will provide for our demand quite well and we will not need imported produce.

    “because we refuse to secure our borders”

    See this is just a REALLY LAME way of blaming your problems on other people. Cut it out.

  • Anonymous

    “Divorce, child custody/support, people suing each other for one reason or another (car wrecks, unpaid rent, unfulfilled contracts ).”

    Most of those things happen because people are abusing drugs. If drugs were legal, people wouldn’t abuse them so much and Mr. Mayhem would not be so busy.

  • Anonymous

    Why not look at a page of history from the days of prohibition of alcohol. Legalize, regulate and tax it. That would be too easy I guess. I’m sure big pharma is not on board with this or maybe they are trying to figure out a way to corner this market, like when they tried to get patents on herbs but couldn’t. It’s a shame our drug laws are also holding back what could be a real boom for our economy, industrial hemp.

  • Anonymous

    freudian slip, indeed. there is too much money in it for corporations and individual scumbags like that judge ciavarella. here’s hoping the jury shows him “zero tolerance” and convicts his lousy a$$.

  • Guest

    Color me skeptical, but I can’t believe she could really be so naive. This must be a prepackaged b.s. line and not representative of Clinton’s actual beliefs…but then again, she is part of “The Family” so who knows.

  • Guest

    She can’t possibly be so naive as to believe what she is saying here. Can she?

  • Anonymous

    I understand what she’s saying, not really in agreement. Some people only see the curtain. It’s hard to take all of the indoctrination I’ve been bombarded with since a wee one out of my head,but at least I know it’s there.

  • Anonymous

    Best Comment! For more info on CIA drug trafficking, see Peter Dale Scott. And don’t forget about those Gulf Stream jets used for shipping detainees off to Egypt etc for torture being found with literally TONS OF COCAINE IN THEM…

    Also: Is the CIA behind Mexico’s Bloody Drug War? (Spoiler: YES)
    (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18877)

  • Michael McTague

    Money, money, money.

    Money for the traffickers, money for the DEA, money for the CIA, money for ICE, money for DOJ, money for prosecution and defense attorneys, money for judges, money for prisons and prison guards, money for parole and probation officers, money for nothing.

    America’s greatest failure is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy in war mongering under the guise of democracy, the drug war to keep our sno-flakes pure and clean, hypocrisy at every political level. Yep, we’re number 1 in hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s kill two birds with one stone, end the war on drugs and cut the budget deficit by saving the $50 billion spent annually on it.

  • enorceht

    “Clinton’s interview focused mainly on Mexico’s drug war, which was launched in 2006 by President Felipe Calderon and has cost an estimated 34,000 lives, including more than 1,000 minors.”

    but just think how many lives were saved from marijuana overdoses ! ! ! !

    ok hilly … this is your brain on stupity

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5EDD6MBYPGGUIC4G2V4JI4KYLQ Flashlight

    Indeed, The American colonies began in large part by taking over the Opium trade of the English in China. Is fundamental, what they keep illegal they control. Too much money in it. For the CIA/corporate masters. Black ops, no accountability, jail the users to fund the prison complex. Fund wars to to occupy Vietnam, Afghanistan, Columbia, Mexico, etc etc.

    Follow the money..

  • Anonymous

    She may be Sec of ST, but she sho’ ain’t no fuggin’ Einstien.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Cops love drugs. If they are crooked, it’s a steady source of bribes.
    If they are honest, they can make a spectacular looking bust anytime they want, say a few weeks before police budgets are enacted, for example.

    The Repubs love drugs because they can fear monger about it while accusing the DEMs of being “soft on drugs.”
    The media loves drugs because they can generate numbers by “investigating” the latest drug craze and fear monger about it.
    Intelligence operations love drugs because they are an easy supply of “black” money they can use to fund illegal black ops. (Iran Contra affair).
    The list goes on and on and on.
    These powerful people and/or organizations will do everything they can to prevent the legalization of drugs.
    Hilary is spot on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-W-Roads/629696293 Chris W Roads

    If we legalized drugs how would the CIA fund its operations?

  • Anonymous

    No she is exactly right for exactly the wrong reasons. Costa of the UN said that if drugs became legal the international banking system would crash because of of all the money laundering through international banks. Bill Clinton was involved in government drug smuggling through Mena Arkansas in the 1980′s. And goodness forbid if everyone could grow their own Marijuana because the use of Rx drugs would plummet.

    That is why she made the Freudian slip. Again, exactly right for exactly the wrong reasons.

    Because Marijuana is Safer that Beer . . .
    How About We Start Treating It That Way?
    MERP Headquarters
    The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)= “MERP”
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the reason why Clinton doesn’t understand any of this is because she is a moron.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Weapons sales. Sale of designer drugs. Print the money out of thin air. Gold. Oil.

    But once again how do we know CIA operations are still funded by drug money? In the 1980s that made sense. In 2011 there just aren’t enough drug users like there used to be, and the CIA would probably have competition from all the other spy agencies selling drugs.

    I’m skeptical of the idea of the CIA making drug money, I wont rule it out because it makes sense for fighting a revolution in south America in the 80s, but I think there could be even better ways.

  • Anonymous

    It can’t become legal otherwise what is gonna pay for the US black ops? Because you know, the US gets money from illegal drugs. Why else would they be in Afghanistan?

  • Anonymous

    She didn’t inhale either…

  • Roberthe

    Come on kiddies, what did you expect her to say, the truth? She’s not a moron, she’s not stupid, she’s in on it. Money flows from drugs’ illegality like the never-ending fountains of Paradise, and it will continue to do so for as long as drugs remain illegal, and not one moment more. That money flows into the pockets of the politicians and police, and into the coffers of the bankers. It builds and staffs the prisons, it keeps the inner cities pacified or at war with themselves rather than allowing them to question why they are being oppressed in their own land. Illegal drugs keep many Third World countries destabilized and in our camp. It sells weapons, it strengthens covert deals with dictators, it creates a climate in which our “advisors” are necessary to help pacify an ever-restive population. IT’S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. IT’S A CORNERSTONE OF THE CORRUPTOCRACY. Make it legal and all that disappears overnight, the prison population is halved, cops and jailers are out of work, contractors go hungry, the United States military has to come home from dozens of countries, the alcohol and tobacco industries downsize if not implode, health care costs decrease and people start looking around and questioning just how many governmental policies are tailored for the dual purposes of control of a not-actually-free populace and the personal emolument of the rich. Think “cash cow wakes up and gores the rancher”. You expect to hear that? You must be smokin’ some really good shit… I realize drugs have their own innate problems but then how many people die annually because of the legal shit? How many people die because of sugar or fat, because of red meat or not eating their veggies? Hell, how many people die every year because they spend their lives glued to the television to the point where they can’t even see their feet? Let people get stoned if they want-Hillary Clinton knows they will anyway; she just wants her fair share of the plunder. America, the Land Where You’re Free To Do What We Say AS LONG AS YOU GIVE US YOUR MONEY.

  • Anonymous

    1.) Replace ‘pot’ in your post with ‘bananas’
    2.) Explain to us how legalizing bananas will result in tax issues, an undercut govt, and too many bananas coming across our porous borders?

  • Guest

    Excellent, excellent post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mejsmith Michael Smith

    Hillary Clinton is on the left? That is news to me. She is centrist, at best. Only in the US would she be considered remotely leftist.

  • Anonymous

    You want to know what baffles me, “Drugs are illegal because there’s too much money in it”, but, by all accounts, Big Business Religion is still legal? Both reap TONS of MONEY, show no profit (prophet), show no accountability, and leave hopeful people poor, suffering, ignorant, and destitute. How does that statement fit into the scheme of things?

  • Anonymous

    The CIA makes tonne of money, the British want it too, this is one of the reasons we are in Afghanistan.

  • Anonymous

    Good job Mr. Tencer. Scary to think she got as close to that office as she did. Too bad she got to where she’s at.

  • Anonymous

    There is too much money in it. Astounding admission. The laundering of illegal funds is one of the primary functions of the multi-national financial institutions today. Additionally, it must be clearly noted that the U.S. intelligence agencies have and continue to use profits from drugs as a primary “off the books” source of funding operations in support of the plutocracy to which they are a party.

    Consider the fact that in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban, opium production was reduced to very low levels not seen prior. This was a disruption of major significance to the flow of funds long depended upon. http://www.disinfo.com/2010/04/no-blood-for-opium/ With the liberation of Afghanistan, we are well again.

    The other side of the money is in the burgeoning and profitable prison industry in the U.S. It is an anomaly to the current economic trends. For profit private prison industry partners are firmly at the teat of the Homeland Security complex. Plus all those private partners who develop systems for the military, on the public bill, and now seek to expand a customer base in the security industry. Too much money in it baby, and we can’t change that.

    Just as imperial war and occupation can’t be stopped now either; the juggernaut most terrible, the reaper of flesh, the flesh harrow, has been loosed in it’s most devastating form. It is the kind hand of modern, post 9/11, American democracy.

  • Anonymous

    Bad is drugs for you!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    People must be stopped from making money. Unless they are connected to the regime in power. Works the same everywhere, and people’s lives aren’t important to the leaders who ought to be thrown out.

  • Anonymous

    America loves $$$ and could care less about their citizens….. tax it bring money back to the U.S. and keep innocent people out of jails…. look at the economic boost of Oakland just an example of many cities that are benefiting from legalization and yes the prices go down in the in the black market which make it less appetizing for drug dealers. ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS!!!

  • Anonymous

    Man busted after calling 911 to ask about growing pot

    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/07/man-busted-after-cal.html

  • Anonymous

    The CIA cannot fund their secret wars if we legalize drugs … cmon man !

  • Anonymous

    Yeah John–you got a big chunk of it right, and maybe the biggest hurdle IS the lawyers. They’re fucking everywhere. And what a sorry lot–making money off other people’s misery.

  • mick

    Google Gary Webb ,read his investigative piece on drugs and Government Agencies .The truth is out there .It cost Gary his life ,suicide “they” said ,he shot himself in the head ,TWICE !

  • Anonymous

    So fucking what?

  • Anonymous

    There is too much money in it, if your getting a kick back from drug dealers, if your employing para-military anti drug forces plus all the associated corporate supplied equipment and of course the number one hit on the corporate profit parade, if your imprison a world record number of harmless drug users in for profit prisons.
    Danial Tencer, shame on you for missing all those billion dollar profit angles. The US government as run by US corporations is not into saving money if it comes at the expense of lost government sponsored profits.
    Of course Clinton could be thinking of all those potentially stoned servants and soldiers, I mean really can you think of any stoner who would want to spend their life cleaning up someone else’s shit or who would handle being shot at to enrich a bunch of crazed government sponsored arms dealers.
    Someone needs to remind that political prostitute Clinton that there would be billions and billions in profits for the whole munchies junk food industry. Although it is true that junk food likely causes far more harm than all the illegal drugs combined, then again, perhaps Clinton should consider a shoot on site order for Ronald McDonald.

  • http://www.octive9.com octive9

    So if the drug war kills people, and the politicians purposely keep drugs illegal, are they not guilty of conspiracy to commit murder? Who will press charges?

  • Anonymous

    Need adult child-care?

  • Anonymous

    The mafia?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jacob-Trailertrash/100001877745318 Jacob Trailertrash

    OH? Too much money huh? Well that is certainly a good reason all right. Wish I’d thought of it. Silly me. Now that we all know why nothing can be done about all the drug related crime we can stop asking about it. Too much money. Wow. That comment is going to come back and snap her on the ass I’m thinking.

  • Anonymous

    well i guess by this logic, that there’s just too much money it, we’re gonna have to outlaw the military industrial apocalypse complex…..

    time to legalize/decriminalize the drugs and criminalize war and war mongering and profiteering…

  • http://www.octive9.com octive9

    It might be impossible to bring criminal charges, but if someone who has lost a loved one to the drug war got hooked up with a sharp team of lawyers with some intestinal fortitude, there could be a class action wrongful death suite against the whole bunch of them. That might cause them to do the right thing for a change.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XIWZRWAXJQKAJ4QEHKMVMCMLAY brian

    Not to mention the prison industry, the police industry, the customs industry, the courts.

    At least half of those workers would all be laid off.

  • Anonymous

    Pharma, alcohol and prison industries say we should lock people up.
    Science says we shouldn’t.

    How do we get politicians to act upon science/evidence/reason when science/evidence/reason cannot bribe politicians?

  • Anonymous

    in the olden days when politicians were as corrupt as todays real criminal syndicate, they had the answer, public hangings and guillotines for those criminals in charge

  • Anonymous

    amen

  • Anonymous

    It makes sense to you and me, but legal taxes doesn’t make a lawmaker rich with bribes from the drug lords, now, does it? Think about it. They are the ones who stand to lose their empires if drugs were legalized in the U.S. Just like the Koch bros pay millions to keep the EPA under their thumbs, powerless, so does the illegal drug industry to keep black market drugs illegal. Who do they pay? It’s not the local preacher man who rails against drug addiction from the pulpit. It’s the national lawmaker that makes sure the business of running drugs is illegal and the supply never dries up.

  • Guest

    “when politicians were as corrupt as todays real criminal syndicate”, WTF! Today’s politicians would make politicians of the past blush like virgins. You simply cannot overstate the level and ingenuity of corruption that exists today.

  • Guest

    Hope it slaps her hard in stupid face.

  • Guest

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Guest

    The trial would be a parade.

  • Guest

    And if you own stock in Lockheed Martin or Raytheon… that too.

  • Anonymous

    Her comments on the Drug War are about as clueless as her statements on the Egyptian Revolution.

    What an insult to the Mexican people, who have suffered so much because of US drug policy.

  • parrots_abound

    Oh? Do tell Mrs. Clinton….got anything to share with the class? First hand knowledge?

  • Anonymous

    All of this is going on simply because our so called leaders “Have No Fear”.Mix “No Fear” with a “I`m better than you” state of mind,and see what you get;you get “Slave Owners”.

  • Anonymous

    These types have “No Fear”.Mix “No fear” with an “I`m better than you” attitude,and you end up with idiots like the Clinton`s that think they can do anything they want to do,to whomever they want to do it to,and still get the victims to pay to hear them speak….Wait!! maybe it`s the Investors that pay to hear them speak????? We must instill some Fear into these comi`s..,or else

  • Anonymous

    Finally the lizard queen speaks the truth!
    Of course there is too much money in it! Her buddies in the CIA make $$$$$ while her other buddies in the prison industry take home the rest.

  • Guest

    does her supporting the Prison Industrial Complex surprise you?
    When will Americans realize they’re but a mere commodity to these
    Capitalist Vultures.? The Poor will fight the Poor to defend their Rich.

  • Iconoclasm

    Again, from where does the government derive authority to do the things it does? There are FOUR common, or natural law crimes those being theft, tresspass, rape and murder! If government derives its authority from the people as we have all been indoctrinated to believe how can that be? If I have no natural born authority to tell you what to do, and you have no natural born authority to tell me what to do, and no one else has any more authority than that either, then how do two people combine their NON EXISTENT authority and delegate it to an artificial entity to dictate to us?

    Hillary KNOWS theres a lot of money in drugs from experience. Ever hear of Mena Arkansas?

  • Anonymous

    I’d say that is definitely a Freudian slip – I refuse to entertain the thought of Hillary buying her lingerie from Victoria’s Secret or Frederick’s of Hollywood…

  • Guest

    The “to much money in it” is the industrial prison, rehab, seizure of assets laws, A.A, Al-anon complex.

  • http://beyondpoliticsand911.com DoYouEverWonder

    And if the government legalized cannabis, we would have a budget surplus with the money they could collect from the taxes.

  • http://beyondpoliticsand911.com DoYouEverWonder

    “That leaves you nine tenths to get this economy back to prosperity again. Leaves the cops, DEA and Coast Guard free to pursue and solve REAL crimes.”

    Oh come on now, you don’t really want them to do that? That would be too dangerous.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    Palin = moron

  • http://beyondpoliticsand911.com DoYouEverWonder

    And if cannabis was legal, a lot more people would be smoking a lot more of it. A lot of people in jobs with drug testing take up drinking and prescription meds instead.

  • llkernj

    proof enough for me. time to legalize everything.

  • http://beyondpoliticsand911.com DoYouEverWonder

    In the meantime, if someone breaks into my car the police will not come out anymore to investigate or collect evidence because they no longer have the resources. They’re spending too much time and money dealing with non-violent pot smokers, instead.

  • Anonymous

    You are completely ignorant!

    Past politicians would directly order the murder of half their population and nobody would think twice. Kings would murder anyone and everyone that they did not like on a whim. There were no United Nations and no peacekeepers to come to the rescue. Why don’t you read about what our “leaders” did to the native americans.

    You are just 100% totally ignorant.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UR4DHHC3P6RRXIUP4LWX54YN7I hu

    Hillary and Bill let the C.I.A. import cocaine though AR to support & fund the the Contras when Bill was Governor of Arkansas.

    That, (and Bill’s serial philandering, which made him susceptible to black-mail) are the reasons Bill got the Democratic nomination for President.

    WE ARE NOT LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY.

    Don’t vote – wake up and organize!

  • Anonymous

    What the Sec. of State should have clarified is that there is too much money to be made by the construction of prisons, the payroll of the DEA, Customs, Local & Federal forfeiture laws. If drugs were legal all of these vested interests would lose a HUGE source of income.

  • enorceht

    “… the international banking system would crash …”

    those banks never cared about the population under millionaire status
    and this would be bad because ? ?

  • enorceht

    how did you get all that reality into that small of a space … i couldn’t disagree with a single word

  • Anonymous

    War on drugs=War on people. It just goes on and on. (Sighs, takes sip of Courvoisier and stares out window)

  • Anonymous

    That Courvoiesior goes nicely with Sour Kush.

  • Hologram5

    There is just too much money in it,” Clinton said.
    ————————————————
    Ah, finally the truth, which family is lining YOUR pockets Mrs. Clinton?

  • Hologram5

    There is also much money to be made in campaign donations to the tune of millions lobbied to keep it illegal by those that wish to make money off its sales and distribution.

  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    There’s too much $$$ coming from Big Pharma lobbyist.
    God forbid the people could actually smoke a plant that benefits them against all sorts of ailments, without all the side effects and possibility of death.
    Big Pharma cannot allow any competition to prevail.
    That’s why they spend billions in campaign donations, lobbyist, and advertising, so they can have a monopoly on the drug addiction in the USA, as long as it’s their drugs.

  • Anonymous

    Precisely. Also add all the officials and politicians who are receiving bribes and campaign contributions from the drug barons, and the industries that make the guns, and the gun mongers that sell the guns that arm the gangs. There is huge economy that exists only because of prohibition. AND the tobacco industry that fears competition. Prohibition = insanity.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MPX7NFFJTZ2SGG6RL2WPV43A2Y Albert

    hurrrrrrrr durrrrrrr

  • Anonymous

    When it comes to drug war strategy & policies every commenter on this site has a more realistic grasp of WTF is really going down than the Secretary of State! How can she be so ignorant?

    Don’t the deaths of 34,000 people require our leaders to look at facts instead of burying their heads in the sand? Let’s throw more US dollars at a half a century failed war which has only empowered the criminals and killed thousands of innocent people. This sort of logic only shows that our elected officials are corrupt and are part of the problem.

  • Anonymous

    That was a slip, but I love her candor. She is right. She and her partners, the Bushes and the CIA and some of the richest bankers in the world who run this country Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Chase, make too much money from them. The Ponzi schemes of Keating, one of the Bush brothers, Madoff, and Stanford were not Ponzi schemes at all, but drug laundering. I mention that Madoff was the head of Nasdaq to connect the fact that his connection go to the very highest indeed. It is well documented. Just google any of these people’s names and the word drugs.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZDBCUTOR7XW24NTIF7XEHLJ34Q Oz

    How does lingerie even come to mind Bob? Even Bubba won’t hit that skank.

    Maybe you should consider a little Freudian analysis yourself.

  • Anonymous

    How’s that for an “I could care less” attitide? Shillary can probably run a mafia operation, but lacks the morality for anything else, including president. This is also the reason why there will not be an end to the “war” in Afghanistan. Ask Shill, such is life (sigh)…

    Reporters should continue to ask which banks are laundering the money and, specifically, which law enforcement agencies are allowing and protecting this? And which countries, like Mexico, are using their “law enforcement” to take over the drug running, not stop it?

    Reporters should also ask exactly what happens to the drugs from Afghanistan, after they are picked and processed. What troops are carrying it onto the planes and which troops are packing it in those unexamined containers?

    And where is the hand-off, from the soldiers, to the pushers that push it on our kids and others on the streets? Where does that take place?

    I heard it was 400 Bill. Is that each year?

    Come on, guys, please ask the right questions, here. The drugs are already “legal”, just for certain profit-takers.

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t give out your address, they may think you know too much.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QY7PTYSFRO7DJB4DEZIL5JE53Q jonfkessler

    Was it one of those rare but srefreshing slips of truth or of incoherence? I think the former – the banksters make billions on money laundering transfer payments
    ( http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html ), drug money is perfect for CIA sponsors terrorists
    ( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm ) etc There is no reason to think that anything has changed – more reason to think things have gotten worse. Nice to hear some honesty.

  • Anonymous

    Oh and don’t forget the drug testing industry that keeps us all safe from stoners at work.

  • Anonymous

    Um, I was responding to the “slip” part, duh!

  • Sandi

    No, she meant the money she and other wealthy people make from illegal drug sales. Not too long ago, a banker once admitted that it was the drug money that was keeping the bank open. For years, it’s been suggested that a lot of the Clinton money came from laundering cocaine cash.

    Many of today’s “old money” families got rich from alcohol prohibition. Do you think they suddenly got ethics? No, obeying the law is for the “little people”.

  • David R Velasquez

    Besides, the intelligence community make too much money of their own from the black market… and the gov’t IS all about saving money.
    Is that what she meant?

  • Guest

    “Past politicians would directly order the murder of half their population and nobody would think twice.” WT? “Their population?… What in the flying fuck are you talking about? Are you talking about this country, cause that’s what I thought WE all were talking about francis.

    Uh, and last I looked, Kings are not politicians.

    If you want to stay on the subject I would be glad to converse with you… otherwise take your redundant speak elsewhere. You are (just) (totally) (100%) ignorant. Redundancy is sophomoric at best… a sign of immaturity. You remind me of a “valley girl.”

  • Guest

    Very well put. Thank you.

  • Guest

    Long time ago. One wonders if tricky dick is still alive. Remember, our false left/right paradigm owns the media or vice-versa.

  • Guest

    vote… don’t vote… doesn’t matter. A parade whether you participate or not. Just like Macy’s day parade. You can go watch it live or on the tube.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    re: drugs..

    in Canada the Justice system spends $500 million a year on “drugs”, $400 million of that is on cannabis.

    In the U.S. (who has 8 times the incarceration rate as that “evil commie China”), 3/4s of a million people are prosecuted _yearly_.

    Yes, courts would still be “busy”, but they wouldn’t be overloaded and our jails wouldn’t be over crowded (we have 2 million people in jail/prison in America..).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    We have 200+ PRIVATE PRISONS in this country.. it used to be in the single digits until the “free market” folks decided to give your tax dollars to profit-mongers to do the same job government was doing. Incarceration for non-violent drug offenses keep skyrocketing.. hmm..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    What legislation are you raving about?

    You’re screaming pretty loudly, but no one knows what about.

  • Anonymous

    HLN ran a little piece on this guy every 5 minutes this weekend. Nothing newsworthy going on in Eygpt, Serbia, Somalia, D.C. ???

  • Guest

    Yikes! Having a bad day?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    That’s what boggles the mind. How stupid do you have to be to suggest Legislators can’t pass a law because it will take too much money AWAY from CRIMINALS by using the opposite as reasoning?

    “but those who are making so much money selling, they have to be stopped.” .. and to stop them you’re going to AVOID destroying their ABILITY to make that money? .. what?

    If it’s legalized, there is no “massive profit” to be made by the criminals. They would become TAX PAYING BUSINESS OWNERS, just like when we abandoned alcohol prohibition and all the illegal alcohol production stopped.

    At least we’re seeing the REAL reason we can’t seem to have a real debate about this. The plutes know full well they have no RATIONAL leg to stand on; and they will never admit the truth.

  • Guest

    Drugs race = Arms race

  • Guest

    You’re too kind

  • Anonymous

    Meaning, they make too much money with it..
    The CIA and drug trade. 1 happy family.

  • Guest

    Ah, a statistician.

  • Guest

    “No, obeying the law is for the “little people”. You mean applying the law.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “there is no point to putting any sort of tax on it because it will just encourage another black market, ”

    That reasoning is as flawed as Shiva’s.

    Growing a plant to a point of being able to smoke (don’t forget drying times, etc) takes months. Most people are too lazy to wait that long and would probably buy it from a businesses. By comparison, alcohol takes 2 or 3 weeks (beer) and people still buy it instead of mess around making it.

    So, just like alcohol, you’ll have plenty of manufacturers who are content to grow/sell/pay tax, and you’ll have plenty of customers content to pay tax on it just like any other product they buy. And just like alcohol, you’re free to grow/brew your own without paying any tax on it.. taxes are for commerce, not personal use.

    The “black market” for “tax dodgers” becomes a HUGELY less problematic situation than what we have now in the face of criminalization.

  • Anonymous

    She musta been high to let that Freudian slip come through. But she’s right. It is too much of a money maker for the CIA and other government operations to ever legalize it. These agencies don’t want the enormous amounts of profit, untold number of jobs created and businesses started to go to individual citizens and/or businesses. Imagine a pot shop on every street corner in America. Sure, the govt. would tax the living hell out of legal pot but at least it would be legal. But those taxes would be paltry in comparison to the huge amounts of free cash the government makes off of drugs today. So drugs will always be illegal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Not to sane people, no.

    As noted in the article, she clearly hopes her audience is too stupid to realize that the “large amount of money” the criminals are making comes from the fact that it’s ILLEGAL. She said ‘we have to get that money away from them’, but the easiest way to do that is take away the profitability of it. .. but she tosses in the LIE oft told and tries to fear-monger with “they will just try to addict more kids!”.. only, cannabis is not addictive. And the “addiction” construct has _nothing_ to do with “money”, so why mention it in the same sentence? If her concern was about “it is an addictive, dangerous drug”, then mentioning money should not have happened at all, let alone in the same sentence. .. and since it’s being made very very obvious that it is NOT dangerous, they are losing their footing to be able to justify their faulty prohibition.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y52VB6LLPFK5WSQRSVLUX7GUSU Nunya

    She should have had her notes/talking points reviewed by Patton Boggs first!
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/revealed-us-envoys-business-link-to-egypt-2206329.html

  • Guest

    “Pot is expensive to transport and cheap to grow. If it is legal there is no point in having export markets, countries can just grow their own.”
    So by your reasoning there is no reason to export our wine. Sheesh!

    “Look at all the farmers making jack squat for growing wheat or corn in this country.” I live in the mid-west now and know many people who make a fine living on wheat and corn.

    “They can make 10x the profits from growing weed.”
    The price will come down drastically if it is legalized.

    “They will provide for our demand quite well and we will not need imported produce.” Damn francis… get a clue. Why wouldn’t there be a market here for marijuana grown in other parts of the world?

  • Guest

    Now THAT makes sense. Speaking Truth to power Joe. Very nice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Canada is probably going to legalize soon.. watch “The Union”.. cops don’t bother smokers who are smoking in public at various events (like a 4:20 event).

    Oh, and you don’t want to “decriminalize”, you want to legalize. Decriminalization, that’s nonsensical.. you can have/smoke a joint (but get a fine!), but you can’t grow or sell? how did you get it? .. still a black market, and as noted in The Union, you’re sending mixed messages.. “you’re a criminal! but only kinda.. smoke up!”?

    Legalize. Watch Hemp sprout up all over the country, crime drop off, prisons empty, and a bright green future of freedom start to grow.

  • Guest

    Consciousness, Truth, and Awareness will win the day. You cannot hide the Truth forever. The PTB are so intent on controlling the masses they forgot about evolution. Evolution of the Spirit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “In 2011 there just aren’t enough drug users like there used to be”

    Uh, drug use is on a constant rise across the globe.

  • Anonymous

    Clinton nails it perfectly, albeit inadvertently. There’s too much money in DEA, ONDCP, INL, DOD, FBI, etc. To end the drug war. Legalization imperils the livelihoods of $20 billion worth of drug warrior jobs. It’s an existential crisis for them and they will fight to the death to preserve their jobs just as anyone else would — especially in this economy. They are the last priests of a dying religion and those are the worst kind of fanatics — cornered rats lashing out in fear.

  • Guest

    That’s why legalization is off the table.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    She doesn’t cover her face in public, so some far-right Arab countries might mistake her for being a leftist… but she’s not really considered a leftist by any sane people in America.. Calling her a lefty is part of the two party lie the media spins.

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    Fourteen years ago The Ottawa Citizen published four consecutive Editorials in four days calling for the legalization of Cannabis. Calling the Editor to commend him for such bold action, it was suggested an article be submitted for payment if published on the Op-Ed page. On submission, the Editor said, “Now we’re going to have to shit or get of the pot.”

    It was published as a Letter To The Editor with the heart and guts edited out so that no reader would have a clear perspective or understanding of the issue.

    The Senate of CanaDa did an extensive study of the issue and recommended the Government of CanaDa legalize Marijuana. The Government shelved the report fearing reprisals and Trade sanctions from the U.S. government if CanaDa implemented such a radical measure.

    June 16, 1997 A.D.

    Cannabis, Culture & Cost

    by

    Ray Joseph Cormier

    The Ottawa Citizen is to be commended for taking a leading role in attempting to stimulate a public debate on the legalization of cannabis. This voice, added to those of Police Chief Brian Ford, and the head of Interpol, who have called for decrimilization of cannabis, could be the catalyst for a True Common Sense Revolution.

    While cannabis has been around for thousands of years, knowledge of it was not in the public domain until the sixties. No one I knew did it, or talked about it until the mass media reported on the new phenomenon called marijuana, spreading through California like wild fire.

    I read with horror, the media reporting that anyone who smoked just one marijuana cigarette, would suddenly snap, go blind, commit suicide, rape, plunder and kill. I certainly didn’t want to live in that kind of society. I thought, ‘That’s terrible! The police have to stop that from spreading. Why would people do that?’. In the cold war mentality of those times, I was naive, and believed our media always told the Truth.

    One night, a trusted friend told me he had some marijuana. He told me he was smoking it for six months, but was afraid to tell me, knowing I was so against it. Convincing me my fears were based on falsehoods, I tried it. Nothing happened! A month later, my friend had some cannabis resin. That time, I experienced what getting high meant – to me.

    Everyone has heard the expressions, “getting high” or “stoned.” It is as difficult to convey an exact, universal understanding of those words as an experience, as it would be to say GOD, and everyone know in common. There are variables. Generally, cannabis or resin has mildly euphoric and tranquilizing effects simultaneously. Abstract concepts can be expressed verbally, with deeper insights. Fundamentally, cannabis and it’s resin is a social experience. Between users, thoughts, emotions, and words work more efficiently together in communion. Total strangers will take the time to share their lives with the offer of a joint, as in people joining together.

    Montreal at that time was vibrant with Expo ‘67. Bohemians had disappeared, and beatniks were fading. The hippies had arrived. Peace, Love, brotherhood-sisterhood, sharing, caring and doing good with one another was the currency with the advent of cannabis. This, in my mind, was a positive change in society. The consensus was the government would have to legalize this beautiful, natural plant. That generation, the parents of today, were going to change the system.

    In it’s series of editorials, The Citizen points out the gangsters selling alcohol during prohibition became rich, powerful and violent because the Law made it possible. When prohibition was repealed, the gangsters took their money, and invested in legitimate business. The gangster mentality is profit before people. With funding cuts to health care, education, and other services both cannabis users and non users need, the people should question the rationale for drug laws. How did the hope and promise of a kinder, gentler society degenerate into a leaner, meaner society? Why is a different standard applied to cannabis, than for alcohol and cigarettes?

    Organized groups may import by the ton, but once landed, individual entrepreneurs handle retail distribution. These small time dealers are usually the people caught and sent to prison. Media reports reveal that top level dealers have the money to bribe police and other government officials in source countries.

    In 1972, I was at the Frank Zappa concert when I met a friend in the crowd. I could not find cannabis for some time, and I inquired if my friend could help me? He reached into his pocket for a 5 gram piece of genuine Afghan hash, and broke off half a gram. “Enjoy this,” he said, handing me the piece as a gift. Plainclothes police were working the crowd, and arrested us. Being my 1st offence, I received a six month peace bond. He was sentenced to six months in prison for trafficking. The taxpayer paid $18,000 to keep him there.

    The Citizen reported on my last conviction for simple possession of cannabis resin on February 13, 1988. I was sentenced to 90 days in prison. That cost the taxpayer $9,000. The five policemen who came to court to testify on their day off, shared $1200 in time and a half overtime pay. Policemen always go to court on their scheduled day off. The cannabis Law financially benefits only the dealers, the lawyers and the police. The taxpayer loses.

    Alcohol and tobacco can kill people. The government is happy to get the tax revenue. Repealing the cannabis laws will greatly reduce government expenditures in police, court and prison costs, and greatly increase government revenue so that hospitals can be kept open, and health care workers and teachers can keep their jobs. Deficit reduction targets and debt repayment will be realized sooner.

    By the design of nature, the poorest of third world countries grow the best cannabis. Perhaps it is a crime against nature this unjust law deprives them the income from a cash crop they have in abundance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Yet, that’s why Egypt revolted.. the corrupt leadership was preventing the masses from earning an honest living. Hmm..

    I can’t help but think of all the small time farmers that could help save the planet if they were allowed to grow hemp.. and the wonderful consumer market we would have if hemp was widely grown and industry stepped in to take advantage of that vast, and cheap resource.

  • Anonymous

    Marijuana is the largest cash crop in America so legalizing it will also bring money to the economy.

  • Anonymous

    I agree Hillary. The Government hates Competition.

  • Roberthe

    Do you really think any of us on the Internet actually are invisible to them?

  • http://twitter.com/sacxtra sacxtra

    Q: And just how did she become an official?
    A: An Oathbreaker (pick one) was elected, and passed the Patriot Act, where State Secrets control by hiding the truth about Torture, Murder, Crime, our Monetary System, Science, Law Enforcement, Media. (This also parallel opens the door for oath breaker appointees and the giant oak tree roots of those activities.)

    Regardless if the US will ever re-visit 911, the laws created have led to the destruction of the US. I call that breaking your god damn oath.

    Otherwise how do controversial laws come into being like DHS/ICE taking down one website pointing to content vs another pointing to the same fucking thing?

    Speaking of DHS, it’s in opposition of the US Constitution, and US Citizen. Notice no wars were ever declared, just a continuous state of emergency, now backed by secrecy and continuity of government.

    The constitution has been made “intermittent” Sometimes it matters, other times it doesn’t

    A little time goes by. (Usually certain dates, Usually reported too late to the US Citizen (now defined as consumer, they dropped a lot of “customers”, so now we are consumers, not US Citizens))

    Un-Validatable Electronically based Elections with a broken chain of custody, Leveraging the Abuse of Public Office (corruption with vote counting), Local Law Enforcement (prevention of public oversight), Media(steering, brakes, flight controls), and then filtered through the electoral college cleanup crew.(elite blood, no oversight, the officials voting for their own officials)

    If your like me this crap looks like a bunch of numbers on a website every few years to steal elections. They go quiet until needed, kind of like a terror cell.

    So the whole process is BS. Why even bother with internet voting? I fought with brad, and bev, and others. Yet If the Monetary System owned Media steers us off the cliff for a buck, in conjunction with many levels of filters from using LEO in a bad way against the chain of custody, yet all the legal battles and new time wasting (timing is one of their chronological weapons) media with that evil, at sundown on the proper date and time we have an eclipse and Teh Electoral College end run’s all of us bitchez.

    Media stays in control as long as they follow the establishment’s (FCC apointees) wishes.

    If that don’t work the elite will change the law. (Time for Jury Nullification’s when bad laws are wrecking peoples lives, or a good law is used bad.)

    tis’ my opinion. We have waaaay worse problems than Egypt right here, right now!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XXU3B66FFOJMDSYVGD73ENL3BA rememberpowmia

    I think Hillary Clinton is very calculating in everything she says & does in public, & doubt this was a “Freudian Slip” (AND GOD help us if she ever becomes President). H.C., like her husband is part of the corrupt institution that runs everything that’s now bad about America. I’m one who thinks (& this Freudian Slip proves i’m right IMO) our Government makes it easy for drugs to come into our Country because they need this “Drug War on Chronic Pain patients, Cancer patients, sympathetic to suffering doctors, & drug addicts” to continue so they can justify the trillions in secret back-door deals congress gives them every fiscal year. They don’t go after REAL drug dealers to often because they know REAL drug Dealers carry weapons, & they’ll use them. Doctors, pain patients, cancer patients, & the drug addicts don’t usually carry weapons, & they are easier targets. Hell NO they aren’t going to legalize their biggest cash cow! It makes to much sense, & we’re (the USA) not about creating laws that make sense.

    We say that… “We should always learn from our mistakes”, but our track record is very clear… we don’t learn anything.

  • Sandi

    I thought about rewording that sentence but then I decided that “obeying” was the right word. “Law-abiding citizen” is a compliment among the masses. The rich have got us good. We actually believe that if we do what we’re told and work very, very hard that we will be fine in this country. See, the rich and powerful make those laws for us to obey. If we are smart enough to sneak through the loopholes and actually get ahead they simply change those laws to put us back in our places. They can’t have the masses getting “uppity”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “then how do two people combine their NON EXISTENT authority and delegate it to an artificial entity to dictate to us? ”

    You bring this tripe up every few months, and I smack it down.. yet you never learn and never bring back a valid refutation. Hmm..

    “Two” people aren’t involved in deciding who has “authority” in our Society, the entire society decides. If, as in your example, there are TWO people and THEY both agree that ONE will “make the rules”, then the “authority” exists because the parties involved CHOSE it to be that way. A society is an extension of that, and Democracy is what you’re talking about (since you’re talking about the U.S.). It is even explained as the “power to govern through the consensus of the people”. We CHOOSE who will “make the rules”, and we agree to abide by those rules once made. If we don’t like those rules, we CHOOSE someone else later who will undo those rules.. it’s the premise of the rule of law and is the only thing that separates us from shit flinging monkeys and the State of Nature.

    And if you CHOOSE not to abide the rules, you DO have the option of LEAVING the collective. Do it. Roam north or south; just understand that virtually every place you go you will find groups of sane people that pool their resources and try to be efficient through delegating authority to individuals so the general masses don’t have to be bothered with _every_ task needed for society to exist.

    You don’t seem to have a grasp of millions of years of evolution that resulted in Society. But quite simply, if you want to benefit from society you need to adhere to the rules of that society.. if not, feel free to leave.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    I suggest everyone track down and watch “The Union: The business behind getting high”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

    good stuff. Canada may well legalize in the next few years (if they can get rid of the right-winger pull in their government).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Watch “King Corn” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112115/ .. we subsidize corn, otherwise it would be a losing proposition. The subsidies keep consumer costs down and artificially reduce the price of our food.. if we didn’t do that (hide the cost), people might realize the trouble we’re in and we’d revolt like Egypt.

    Ironically, if more of those corn farmers grew hemp instead, we’d stop killing our land and we’d have much more material for many things.. corn is just a bad crop who’s time has passed and shold be gone.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    real world examples all over the place show that legalizing drugs does NOT cause a huge increase in usage.

    And you would have to do away with “drug testing” for employment, wouldn’t you. It is only used now to see if you’re “criminally inclined” (in theory). If cannabis is legalized, you can’t base employment on if they smoked last night.. that would be unconstitutional..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    That and the fact that all the Pols keep saying “it’s BAD! it’s DANGEROUS!”.. how do they now say “never mind, we were wrong.. it’s safe” without pissing off their entire constituency?

    watch “The Union: the business behind getting high”.. Pols painted themselves into a corner, and are too busy suckling at lobbyists to do our bidding/their job.

  • http://voxxrocks.com/blog/ HIStory Indeed

    Marc Emery and countless others are locked away, their voices silenced, their freedoms denied, whilst those who seek to maintain the box humanity has been kept in, continue to run amock amongst us, cackling and raving like lunatics.

  • Anonymous

    The Bu$histas would have to sell more guns to make up for the loss in drug sales revenue.

  • Anonymous

    Clinton speaking Palinese, eh?

  • Guest

    Just like a bar code in this (pre) bar code world.

  • Anonymous

    “War on Drugs” is code for CIA sell more drugs for Poppy Bu$h.

  • Guest

    All of what you say is inherent in the system running the world today. It has been set in motion… the beast is what we have.

  • Anonymous

    We all have our victories and defeats as regards fear, but most of us strive not to let fear rule our hearts or our minds. Being free means being free to live and love as if death and fear had no power over us. Freedom also means that we have an ethical and moral responsibility to expose blind hate, lies and ignorance by shining eternal light, truth and love, sending such dark forces fleeing to the shadows from whence they came.

    We explore outer space with various forms of space craft, but many choose to explore inner space via nature’s abundant chemistry – an infinite journey into the heart of God. Whatever, we are here to explore this glorious universe. The Prohibitionist’s brand of hateful, choking pseudo-Conservatism is the antithesis of all that. Like a lion who cannot grasp that he can do more than walk in a circle the size of the cage he’s recently been freed from, the prohibitionist is incapable of exploration beyond the boundaries of his own fear, prejudice and loathing. We are all free to choose how we walk our own path, but when we choose to go beyond this by supporting drug-war demagoguery, to the point of even threatening others with imprisonment and physical violence, we loose the right to expect any form of respect from the once free and prosperous society that we are helping to totally destroy.

    Thanks to prohibition we’re about to lose all semblance of that once ordered, prosperous and safe society. Myself, along with many others, have been debating prohibitionists on this for many years. We have shown what destruction prohibition has wrought on all the civil institutions of this once great nation, -we’ve always provided facts and statistics – they, the prohibitionists, have countered with either lies, personal abuse or even serious threats of violence.

    Ending the insanity of drug prohibition by legalized regulation, respecting the rights of the responsible users and focusing on addiction as a sickness, like we do with alcohol and tobacco, may save what remains of our economy and civil institutions along with countless lives and livelihoods. Prohibition continues unabated for shameful political reasons. It cannot, and never will, reduce drug use or addiction.

    Prohibition has permanently scarred our national character as well as our individual psyches. Our national policies and cultural practices have become pervaded by the fascistic, prohibitionist mind-set which has turned our domestic police force into a bunch of paramilitary thugs who often commit extra-judicial beatings and executions while running roughshod over our rights in order to “protect us from ourselves”.

    When we eventually manage to put the horrors of this moronothon behind us, we’ll need to engage in some very deep and honest soul-searching as to what we want to be as a nation. Many of our freedoms have been severely circumscribed or lost altogether, our economy has been trashed and our international reputation for being “free and fair” has been dragged through a putrid sewer by vicious narrow-minded drug warrior zealots who are ignorant of abstract concepts such as truth, justice and decency. We’ll need to make sure that such a catastrophe is never ever repeated. This may mean that public hearings or tribunals will be held where those who’ve been the instigators and cheerleaders of this abomination will have to answer for their serious crimes against our once prosperous and proud nation.

    Each day you remain silent, you help to destroy the Constitution, fill the prisons with our children, and empower terrorists and criminals worldwide while wasting hundreds of billions of your own tax dollars. Prohibition bears many strong and startling similarities to Torquemada­’s inquisition­, it’s supporters are servants of tyranny and hate; if you’re aware of but not enraged by it’s shear waste and cruel atrocities then both your heart and soul must surely be dead.

  • Guest

    Yes it’s true if you look at it generally.

    Allow me to stray a bit here:
    But there are many farmers who sell their crop locally and are doing fine… beautiful rich farms that grow produce naturally and do not have the fast food approach to it all. These farms are popping up in more and more places and do not need government help and actually eschew it.

    And the same with Hemp… there are more and more hemp farms, although it’s day is long overdue.

    Bob Marley once said, marijuana throws you back on your self.

    IMO, if more people in the United States smoked weed the walls of denial would come crashing down and this country might have an attack of morality.

  • Anonymous

    There’s a history to be learned from the 18th amendment to our Constitution (which was repealed by the 21st amendment). When U tell people they CANT drink, they will. Even if they have to deal w/ criminal elements. The War on drugs is a BUST! Hasn’t ANYTHING BEEN LEARNED about prohibition?

  • Guest

    It’s amazing these elected officials are able to look at themselves in the mirror. But then, they never wanted to help anyone any way. People who are trying to get into office are typically narcissistic fools and if someone does want to make a difference they are soon corrupted.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it is a conspiracy then and they are in league with the major drug trade, or maybe they need the support of the Prison industry. It’s hard to take though and I’m not even a user… I just hate the senselessness of it and the idea that US Citizens are tossed in jail for the high crime of growing a fucking plant.

    She’s got the most surprisingly ignorant and unthoughtful view and just can’t even grasp the basics of the problem. That’s true for both her and Bill. If you want even more absurd and ignorant verbiage-salad look up Bill’s HHS Director Donna Shalala’s comment about ‘Medical Marijuana.” They are easy to find by googling.

  • Anonymous

    “They can’t be given an even easier road to take…”

    THEY WHO? THEY wouldn’t be the ones making a profit if you legalize. God Damn she’s fucking stupid.

  • Anonymous

    It’s been due the pressure from the US. That’s been under administrations from both parties.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Let’s not confuse produce/food generally with “corn”. Corn is a losing proposition in virtually every case. In fact, our subsidies for corn (combined with NAFTA) is what killed corn farmers in 3rd world Mexico and has them flooding up here looking for work.

    But in general, I agree with your position/response to frantaylor.. Imports/Exports happen all the time with legal things, and we’re not worried about those. However, things like “wine” depends on location location location, and with cannabis, it’s the seed plant that matters. You can grow the “best bud” anywhere on the planet, so long as you have the stock plant to clone.. not true with whine (need the sun/air/soil combination not needed with cannabis).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    or if they actually do start to make serious differences, executed.

  • Anonymous

    There are those who find a successful and tolerant society so unpleasant that they support government coercion and the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens even though at great risk to their own personal safety and financial security.

    They view pleasure as the devil’s snare and swear vengeance on all those who might embrace any of God’s pleasures.

    In a dangerous and futile attempt to stamp out alcohol, tobacco, heroin, marijuana, pornography, prostitution, marital infidelity and masturbation, this former land of the prosperous and free has been pillaged by groups such as the Women’s Christian Temperance Society, The Anti-Saloon League, The Anti-Cigarette Movement, The Social Purity Movement, The Social Hygiene Movement and our latter day Drug Warriors.

    Laboring under no burden of doubt concerning their own rectitude and right to impose their standards on everybody else by the barrel of a gun, they have ceaselessly proclaimed their Christianity while blatantly overlooking Christ’s main admonitions, namely “Judge not, lest ye be judged” and “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast the first stone.”

    Alcohol prohibition in the US run from 1919 to 1933 – Now google ‘The Great Wall Street Crash’ and see when that happened!

    During alcohol prohibition, all profits went to enrich thugs and criminals. Young men died every day on inner-city streets while battling over turf. A fortune was wasted on enforcement that could have gone on education etc. On top of the budget-busting prosecution and incarceration costs, billions in taxes were lost. Finally the economy collapsed. Sound familiar?

    http://1929crash.com/

    China has recently been in negotiation with a number of countries, asking them to replace the Dollar with the Chinese Yuan as their reserve currency. This, when it happens, will remove the Federal Government’s ability to keep printing cash to cover the trillions it costs to fund prohibition. It’ll bring true freedom but the transition period will be more hectic than a slasher movie. It never had to be this way; we should have learned our lesson from studying the mayhem that alcohol prohibition wreaked on us.

  • Anonymous

    The real problem with the U$ is that nothing, NOTHING counts for anything next to the dollar. So they’re going to destroy the Great Lakes fishery because keeping Asian Carp out would be too expensive. Good thinking, jackasses! And no more delicious whitefish is but one tiny facet of this jewel of monopoly worship. We can’t end the wars, because the unemployed soldiers would ruin us. OK, don’t discharge them, put them to work repairing infrastructure. Sure, you have to pay them, but it’s cheaper to build dams in America than to demolish them in far off, exotic lands where we have to pay Haliburton 400 bucks a gallon to fuel our tanks. I can’t imagine living in a land controlled by pinch-faced, pointy-headed bean counters who would rather enrich themselves via our current ganja policies than allow people to use in peace the greatest healing herb the world has ever known. They ask not what they can do for the greater good, but rather what the greater evil can do for them! The U$: Save It Or Screw It!

  • Anonymous

    When we eventually manage to put the horrors of this moronothon behind us, we’ll need to engage in some very deep and honest soul-searching as to what we want to be as a nation. Many of our freedoms have been severely circumscribed or lost altogether, our economy has been trashed and our international reputation for being “free and fair” has been dragged through a putrid sewer by vicious narrow-minded drug warrior zealots who are ignorant of abstract concepts such as truth, justice and decency. We’ll need to make sure that such a catastrophe is never ever repeated. This may mean that public hearings or tribunals will be held where those who’ve been the instigators and cheerleaders of this abomination will have to answer for their serious crimes against our once prosperous and proud nation.

  • Rabid_Liberal

    The CIA’s cash cow, illegal drugs. But try to grow some pot in your backyard for personal use and you’ll have a slew of agents converge on your house. They’ll take everything, cars, the house, called Asset Forfeiture. All for a lousy pot plant. That’s the other way the feds make money, Asset Forfeiture. The DEA looks forwards to asset forfeitures and they brag about recent forfeitures amongst themselves and other federal agencies. It’s a total scam setup to rip off the citizens of this country.

  • Guest

    Yes you can grow the best bud anywhere. But obviously, different geographic locations produce different strains and genetics and the taste and smell is also enjoyable and a point for interest.

  • Guest

    Yeah, like a plane crash.

  • Anonymous

    Just not to the “economy” Sec. Clinton prefers…

  • Anonymous

    Billions and Billions served every fkn day!

  • Michael McTague

    we are not alone, but we are not represented.

  • Anonymous

    But its a free country. Bwahahaha

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Very true. There’s also the fact that a kilo of cocaine is highly portable and easy to plant. Very convenient if you need to discredit someone who gets in the way of big business.

  • Anonymous

    “…they will then find it in their interest to addict even more young people.” Sort of like fast food, alcohol, gambling and tobacco?

  • Roberthe

    Oh come on Boneman, now you’re just being paranoid! Next you’ll suggest that they keep records of all credit and debit card transactions, tap phones without warrants, and sift through hundreds of millions of emails daily. Total Information Awareness and the Information Awareness Office were shut down in 2003 when Congress defunded them. Really! Move along, Boneman, there’s nothing to see here…

  • Anonymous

    At the end of Alcohol prohibition, would she have seen it as handing greater profits over to Al Capone?

    I’m sorry to keep posting but THE STUPIDITY of her comment! I’m just stunned.

  • Anonymous

    Explain why the Clintonistas are abetting the Bu$histas.

  • Anonymous

    The problem seems to be that while it will bring money to the economy of the common citizen it will take money away from special interests.

  • Anonymous

    “fearing reprisals and Trade sanctions from the U.S. ”

    Absolutely the reason. Its the reason a Canadian citizen is in jail now for selling seeds. Not because Canada was bugged but the U.S..

  • Anonymous

    As pointed out by Judge Mike Gray in his book “Drug Crazy”, the linchpin of the war on drugs is marijuana prohibition. The vast majority of arrests/users are for marijuana. Hard drugs represent only a fraction of abuse/arrests while more than 800,000 arrests a year are for marijuana possession. By legalizing marijuana, in one fell swoop, we could eliminate most of the violence and costs of the drug war and concentrate resources on hard drugs.

    The war on some drugs is, by all accounts, a failure. When the debate is framed as “legalizing drugs” without specifying which drugs, as implied in this article, then nothing will happen.

    We should start with legalizing marijuana.

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    Unfortunately, the Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper has made CanaDa a totally subservient Vassal State, like Egypt, to US policy.

  • Anonymous

    Right on. She’s very right.
    It’s because interests tied to the US Government and officials are making money.
    It has funded many covert ops over the years.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Or a grassy knoll.

  • Buford2k11

    Reefer Madness is alive and well, and still causes smart people to say and do stupid things. Is there more money to be had if Pot was legalized and taxed? Or is the private prison/security complex the money maker? Will Big Pharma loose money if pot is legalized? It only matters to whom the bribes go to.

  • Iconoclasm

    “then how do two people combine their NON EXISTENT authority and delegate it to an artificial entity to dictate to us? ”

    You bring this tripe up every few months, and I smack it down.. yet you never learn and never bring back a valid refutation. Hmm..

    Only in your wet dreams! You’ve never smacked anything down although I’ve repeatedly requested such!”

    “Two” people aren’t involved in deciding who has “authority” in our Society, the entire society decides.

    Since when? You’re living in a fantasy!

    If, as in your example, there are TWO people and THEY both agree that ONE will “make the rules”, then the “authority” exists because the parties involved CHOSE it to be that way. A society is an extension of that, and Democracy is what you’re talking about (since you’re talking about the U.S.). It is even explained as the “power to govern through the consensus of the people”. We CHOOSE who will “make the rules”, and we agree to abide by those rules once made. If we don’t like those rules, we CHOOSE someone else later who will undo those rules.. it’s the premise of the rule of law and is the only thing that separates us from shit flinging monkeys and the State of Nature.

    That paragraph demonstrates exactly how indoctrinated you are! LOL!

    And if you CHOOSE not to abide the rules, you DO have the option of LEAVING the collective. Do it. Roam north or south; just understand that virtually every place you go you will find groups of sane people that pool their resources and try to be efficient through delegating authority to individuals so the general masses don’t have to be bothered with _every_ task needed for society to exist.

    You’re living in a matrix created 250 years ago! When King George was kicked out, all those left standing became soverigns and rose to the level of the King! The Founders had a right to create a government, they had NO RIGHT to force anyone to opt in!

    You don’t seem to have a grasp of millions of years of evolution that resulted in Society. But quite simply, if you want to benefit from society you need to adhere to the rules of that society.. if not, feel free to leave.

  • Anonymous

    Hillary’s beloved Prohibition has decimated generations and criminalized millions for a behavior which is entwined in human existence, and for what other purpose than to uphold the defunct and corrupt thinking of a minority of misguided, self-righteous Neo-Puritans and degenerate demagogues who wish nothing but unadulterated destruction on the rest of us.

    Based on the unalterable proviso that drug use, among all echelons of society, is essentially an unstoppable and ongoing human behavior which has been with us since the dawn of time, any serious reading on the subject of past attempts at any form of drug prohibition would point most normal thinking people in the direction of sensible regulation.

    By its very nature, prohibition cannot fail but create a vast increase in criminal activity, and rather than preventing society from descending into anarchy, it actually fosters an anarchic business model – the international Drug Trade. Any decisions concerning quality, quantity, distribution and availability are then left in the hands of unregulated, anonymous and ruthless drug dealers, who are interested only in the huge profits involved. Thus the allure of this reliable and lucrative industry, with it’s enormous income potential that consistently outweighs the risks associated with the illegal operations that such a trade entails, will remain with us until we are collectively forced to admit the obvious.

    There is therefore an irrefutable connection between drug prohibition and the crime, corruption, disease and death it causes. Anybody ‘halfway bright’, and who’s not psychologically challenged, should be capable of understanding that it is not simply the demand for drugs that creates the mayhem, it is our refusal to allow legal businesses to meet that demand. If you are not capable of understanding this connection then maybe you’re using something far stronger than the rest of us. So put away your pipe, lock yourself away in a small room with some tinned soup and water, and try to crawl back into reality A.S.A.P.

    Because Drug cartels will always have an endless supply of ready cash for wages, bribery and equipment, no amount of tax money, police powers, weaponry, wishful thinking or pseudo-science will make our streets safe again. Only an end to prohibition can do that! How much longer are you willing to foolishly risk your own survival by continuing to ignore the obvious, historically confirmed solution?

    If you support the Kool-Aid mass suicide cult of prohibition, and erroneously believe that you can win a war without logic and practical solutions, then prepare yourself for even more death, tortured corpses, corruption, terrorism, sickness, imprisonment, economic tribulation, unemployment and the complete loss of the rule of law.

    “A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”
    Abraham Lincoln

    The only thing prohibition successfully does is prohibit regulation & taxation while turning even our schools and prisons into black markets for drugs. Regulation would mean the opposite!

    Prohibition is nothing less than a grotesque dystopian nightmare; if you support it you must be either ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, insane or corrupt as the Clinton’s

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    I’m not in the legalize all drugs camp. I’ll go with pot but draw the line after that. I have seen drugs devastate individuals and their families and believe that as a society we need to direct people to make good choices.

    The Portugal model is based upon treatment for users and standard criminal prosecution for dealers.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Excuse them Fran they OBVIOUSLY skipped history class or read from text books approved by the Texas State School board!

  • Anonymous

    For money, of course. If they are, why is Hillary angry about it? Poppy Bu$h is still the king pin. $hrub Boy is just his Minnie Me.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Go ahead and destroy your own life with drugs but do not expect the society in which you fantasize living in to offer any medical or financial help or provide for your security.

    Da rules of modern US society say that you follow them or you’re OUT pure and simple.

    This view is NOT the result of an indoctrination just the result of a clear headed reading of da rules and a reasoned understanding of the social compact we all make to be members of the US tribe.

    The power of those rules comes from the consensus of the members of the tribe to support the leaders who are charged with enforcing da rules. Joe is spot on when he details for you how if you want different rules you have to choose different leaders who then have to gain the support from the MAJORITY of the governed for different rules.
    God why is it so hard for you to understand the structure of modern society?

  • WaStConcerned

    ….as it did in Viet Nam, as it does in Afghanistan now….

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Your psychological evaluation of 538 federally elected officials is a bit of a generalization don’t ya think?

    How many elected officials at either the local, state or federal level do you know personally or at least well enough to make that diagnosis?

    While I AGREE there are many who are self serving narcissists, they by no means are a majority of elected officials. The problem is that the Narcissists typically end up in leadership position due to their lack of conscious therefore they give the public the impression that “they all must be corrupt”.

  • Anonymous

    The revenue from illegal drugs brought into the US via the Mena, Arkansas airport while Bill was the governor made the Clintons much wealthier. I just wonder who has the stash of anthrax sent to the head man with the Arkansas attorney generals office that almost ended his life when he started complaining about Bill Cinton stonewalling funding for the investigation into the illegal drugs coming in thru Mena.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    The number of drug users (outside of cannabis) is fairly small in this country. And there are two things to consider there: Not all people that use drugs “ruin the lives of everyone around them”, and secondly, if drug use is “ruining lives”, isn’t it better to treat the person than put them in prison or let them continue ruining lives over the fear of prison?

    you can “direct” people to make good decisions, but you can’t legislate morality. If you don’t like drugs, don’t do them (and stop drinking coffee and alcohol and smoking cigs; no aspirin or motrin or chocolate, either).

    I don’t particularly like the idea of people doing Meth, either.. but the harm done by having it be criminal (all the periphery things like turf wars, gangs, shootouts, etc) spreads to a lot of innocent people and costs a lot of money.

    I guess I’d be a bit open to keeping “dangerous” drugs restricted, but we see just how easy it is for the government to lie about something for their own reasons. Since the core issue is addicts needing treatment, I also fear the harm done by putting sick people in prison just because it’s easier.

    As a side note, alcohol “ruins more lives” than all other drug use combined. Are you calling for another prohibition of alcohol?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    It is quite simple.. your parents opted you in, and as a sovereign you have the right to opt out. Opting out is easy, just pack up your shit and leave. Seriously.

    Why do you think you can ignore all the rules the rest of us generally agree to live by while still using all the benefits of a society built up from the stability those rules provide? You want roads, medicine, food grown for you, textiles, energy.. but no responsibility? Sorry, that’s not “sovereignty”, that’s being a 3 year old.

    Seems the core issue is that you’re quite deluded and don’t understand the concept of civil society. The good news for us sane people is, if you insist on breaking enough rules or serious enough rules once or twice, the rest of us agree to put you in a cage where you belong. — you can avoid that worry by leaving our country. Don’t let the flag hit you in the ass on the way out.

  • Anonymous

    If there’s still anybody out there who doubts the Clinton’s involvement in drug-running they should watch the following:
    Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHpVw4yTb4
    There are another 5 parts.

  • http://twitter.com/Tao_of_Ray Ray

    The C.I.A. needs their funding…
    We need more prisons too!

  • Don Corleone

    Thanks Hillary, now go away please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Van-Bezooijen/1237106 Eric Van Bezooijen

    It’s hard to comprehend how someone who is supposedly highly educated and intelligent could make such a dumb statement. At least Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann have an excuse; they’ve gotten so high on the tea party koolaid only their brainstems are still functional at the proper capacity; Hillary Clinton has no such excuse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mejsmith Michael Smith

    So you are saying the American media is insane? Wow, that explains so much. As someone who really is on the left, it seems the American left is to the right of me.

  • Guest

    Sarcasm? From your mouth to God’s ears…

  • Guest

    I know a few and I know they are either yes men or women or because of how the system is set up they would have a hell of a time getting anything done that truly meant anything unless they can rally enough (plenty) help.

    And I didn’t mean to be so general in my writing. I meant people trying to be elected into leadership positions.

  • Guest

    she doesn’t need to excuse me. The level of corruption in today’s elected officials (at the top) is unprecedented because of the reasons for their corruption. She says how much better it is today then it was. I say,”none are more truly enslaved than those who are not aware of their enslavement.”

    She says how these leaders in the past would take out half of their population. HA! So what. What about ALL the poor bastards in third world countries our beloved “elected officials” write off with a stroke of their cowardly pens every fucking day. Read the history books? HA HA. You read the same ones when you were going through your programming as a child. And to believe today that corruption does not run a muck in our nation’s capitol from the very top is proof your and francis’ programming has had a profound effect on the both of you.

  • Iconoclasm

    You’re a brainwashed idiot with groupthink mentality! Joe’s an indoctrinated fool that lives in the paradigm of “citizen!” Like you he has no clue on thinking (and doing) outside the box. In other words, he doesn’t know any better, nor do you!

    YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED!

    Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

  • Anonymous

    She’s correct though it is so much money in it. that if they legalize it, the government wont be able to get all the free drugs that they steal from Drug Lords, repackage it and sell it back out on the streets. I mean what do they do with all those drugs they get in those infamous drug busts? Burn it, flush it??? Oh I don’t think so. Its re marketed and sold on the street courtesy the US Government this time, and if you get caught with it, they’ll gladly lock u up in their industrial prison complex where they make even more money, and resell that stuff you had and recoup more profits, its the american way. No one is a bigger gangsta, drug dealer, arms dealer than the US government.

  • Iconoclasm

    Joe Somebody wrote, in response to iconoclasm: It is quite simple.. your parents opted you in, and as a sovereign you have the right to opt out.

    I already have, long ago!

    Opting out is easy, just pack up your shit and leave. Seriously.

    Leave? You’re being more ridiculous now than ever! Why would I have to leave? I’m a man of the land.

    Why do you think you can ignore all the rules the rest of us generally agree to live by while still using all the benefits of a society built up from the stability those rules provide?

    Thats where you’re wrong again! Guys like Dick Cheney, who is not of your lower “citizen” status, can shoot a guy in the face and no one does a thing. Do you have a clue why that is? I bet not!

    You want roads, medicine, food grown for you, textiles, energy.. but no responsibility? Sorry, that’s not “sovereignty”, that’s being a 3 year old. Seems the core issue is that you’re quite deluded and don’t understand the concept of civil society. The good news for us sane people is, if you insist on breaking enough rules or serious enough rules once or twice, the rest of us agree to put you in a cage where you belong. — you can avoid that worry by leaving our country. Don’t let the flag hit you in the ass on the way out.

    You’re an idoctrinated fool without a clue!. You need to awaken from your brainwashed groupthink mentality and endeavor to comprehend just how automotized you really are!

    HOW MANY MEN DOES IT TAKE TO VOTE THE PANTIES OFF YOUR UNWILLING MOTHER, SISTER, WIFE, OR DAUGHTER? 1, 10, 100? IF MORE SAY SO, DOES THAT MAKE IT OKAY?

    Have a nice day!

  • Michael Smeltzer

    Remember, legalizing drugs and drug usage would lead to a state of freedom here in America. The two words (freedom and America) are not compatible! As long as totalitarian policies and illegal verbiage like the USA Patriot Act exist, freedom can not be in effect. Keeping drugs illegal is not just for greater money, but helps greatly to justify (to addled brained politicians) the continuation of the Patriot Act, which ironically comes up for renewal today.
    Making drugs illegal was in itself and illegal act as it violates the “Right to Pursuit of Happiness” preamble in the Bill of Rights of the American Constitution.
    The drug laws where, and still are predicated on a tax act where stamps had to be purchased, of course no reasonable volume of those stamps where ever printed, so none could be sold to those who wanted to comply with this illegal law in the first place. Google 1910-12 drug laws also Google Randolf Hearst use of wood instead of hemp for printing on.

  • Michael Smeltzer

    You are so right ON! Amazing that someone’s eyes and ears are open!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LVZSWSKJFCKX3APVQN5A3S4QBU Stavros

    Hey, Hillary, the very next time you have a thought? Let it go.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2NPRPRYZC3RF424Y4G4NKPY3FM Anya O

    The article eloquently lays on the line EXACTLY the justification for the push to legalize drugs. It is certainly not because a bunch of pot heads want to not be worried about a cop knocking on their door in their paranoid state. It is because the illegalization of drugs IS THE REASON why so many people are dying and why we can’t recoup income taxes on the money drug dealers make.

    I watched a documentary the other day in which a couple of pot growers admitted they didn’t want pot legalized because that would severely hurt their bottom line. I think that comment should make every single person in opposition to legalization sit back rethink why they want it to be illegal.

  • Anonymous

    oops!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OZOOZRLR3MDOWL7Z7Z6RB3CFUY PhineasF

    Hil’s comment might have had something to do with intelligence we harvest from these shady underworld types…..Who would have better idea than the drug cartels of how many jihadis were trying to sneak nasty stuff like shoulder fired missiles and such into the the US?

    The first group a bunch of terrorists are going to seek out in a strange land is the one that operates outside the local laws……Our government makes up for their crappy HUMINT by using drug cartels.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2NPRPRYZC3RF424Y4G4NKPY3FM Anya O

    Aside from the fact that everything else you said was great, the best part was WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN! Oh my! That was wonderful!

  • Roberthe

    Well, if you put it that way… Regardless, there is something dream-like in all that the Talking Heads are saying: you can see the lips moving but can’t hear any words, or you can hear the words but they don’t make any sense- a mirage, a pantomime, a dream. Luckily, enough people are catching this crap and questioning it, are catching it and sharing it; it’s getting progressively harder for the power merchants to lie without being caught-either you watch Fox or other echo chamber constructs and are yourself complicit in your self-delusion, or you militate against it, sleepers versus the awake, Mubarak vs the Egyptian people. Now if americans weren’t so feckless…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000659264878 Dawn Weaver

    I don’t know what the answer is, but what we are doing sure isn’t working out so hot. The War on Drugs is an abject failure. It is long past time to admit that and reconsider our approach. Of course, Mrs. Clinton is correct and truthful in her assessment: there is too much money in the illegal drug industry. What she doesn’t say is WHO is making the money. I wonder how many of our politicians and bureaucrats have made millions on it?

  • Anonymous

    Finally a big shot who admits the illegal drug trade benefits state & federal gov’t.
    Way to go Hillary

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    Sometimes we tell the truth by accident. Some smart person needs to define how much is “…too much money”! Q:”What percent of our GNP is illegal drug trafficking money? Who gets it? (Every honest cop knows it goes up through enforcement ….to judiciary ….to legislative …to maybe even executive.) Clinton was confirming that: “everyone gets a piece.” …so they can’t pass laws against it.

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    One day…you’ll thank her…

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    …and You are very right…..

  • Anonymous

    She’s right, of course. During the most recent meltdown, the UN’s drugs and crime chief claimed that money laundering from illegal drugs kept the world banking system afloat: http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/dec/13/drug-money-banks-saved-un-cfief-claims
    Wachovia was recently fined $160 million for laundering drug cartel money of up to $460 billion: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35914759/
    The CIA has been making billions from drug-running for more than 50 years. The Bush family and its CIA/Republican cronies makes a fortune from drug-smuggling: http://www.madcowprod.com/index.html
    and the same people were tied into the 9/11 attacks. And I’m sure some people Hillary knows and socializes with are involved as well. The oligarchy makes money from illegal drugs, and they make money from their half-assed “war on drugs” (which also lets them put lots of poor people in jail). It’s a win-win for the evil rich people who run the country.

  • Roberthe

    It seems that more and more the culture (using that word advisedly) is driven by narcissism, which is useful to the power elite because if you’re wrapped up in yourself you aren’t paying attention to what is going on around you. Bristol Palin and Levi, Kendra, Kim and the vast multitude of vacuous nonentities who are struggling for their few moments of fame on the covers of the tabloids are worth not drop of sweat compared to the people in Tahrir Square. We seem to be in awe of people who haven’t spent a day in their lives laboring either with their minds or with their bodies. We increasingly elect people because they look good-it doesn’t matter what they think; it doesn’t matter if they think at all, indeed it’s perhaps best if they don’t. Today Lincoln wouldn’t stand a chance. We end with Bush Jr, or Larry Craig. We have Dan Vitter, Jim DeMint, and Newt Gingrich lecturing us on morals. In the churches we have Ted Haggard and George Rekers lecturing us about the evils of homosexuality while they are getting reach-arounds behind the pulpit. And I don’t want to make it sound like it’s just the Right-John Edwards with his $400 haircuts and his despicable betrayal of a steadfast wife is just one of many from the other side. The commonality: all narcissists, all self-promoters. The message to the public: nothing serious is going on, grab what you can, bask in the sun while it shines (even if you have to crowd somone else out of the light).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V5XKDORJ6HIVIZ6V5OTK76KTEY Immortal

    We’re rapidly reaching the point where marijuana may be legal and tobacco will be illegal. Maybe our problem is that we tend to think everything should be controlled by a simple toggle switch. Except for the presses that print money, of course–soon there’ll be a law that they cannot have “off” switches and it would be “treasonous” to pull the electric plug.

  • Guest

    And not only the talking heads but the heads of state! A mirage, a pantomime, a dream, and a parade? Whatever. Americans complacently walking into the delusion created by such screaming for joy or crying with disappointment as Tiger or the Steelers go wayside.

    An orgy of indulgence and no respect for reality. The reality that we are on a planet flying through space following a star covering a million miles a day in what we might call uncharted territory! And Paris Hilton or the guy who called 911 to ask about the legality of growing marijuana gets front page while whoever the fuck manipulates and directs what people hear and see. I am convinced there are only a handful of people on the planet who can claim sanity… nay, I am certain.

  • Guest

    Man, the Truth sucks sometimes.

  • Anonymous

    Portland Timbers 1 LA Galaxy 1—closed scrimmage

  • Anonymous

    Ask Bill and the CIA!

  • Anonymous

    Legalize recreational drugs! Heres a funny pro drug cartoon http://www.morningsquirtz.com/recreational_drugs.html

  • Anonymous

    too much money to be made by the court system while it is illegal is more like it Mrs. Clinton. Not to mention the number of her friends in Washington who would LOSE there jobs if it were legalized. What about all the treatment and after care programs that would no longer be necessary and all the defense lawyers. There is money to be made by our government by LEGALIZING them in the form of taxes. Portugal has already proved decriminalizing it IS working MRS. secretary of state look at other foreign policies. Not to mention Colorado who used 9 MILLION dollars from marijuana taxes to BALANCE the budget in that state. OHHH that is right the politicians DON’T want to balance the budget, again too many jobs in Washington would be lost then. To hell with what the people want as long as politicians can give their FRIENDS guaranteed jobs.

  • Anonymous

    They will never make tobacco illegal. There is TOO much tax money in it for them..
    NOW if they can convert the tax money profit to Marijuana if they make it legal ,,,,, Maybe.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UDWHA7HYHWEJRHNAFB2NYWBDAM Ray Darr

    The people want to use marijuana. Make it legal. Those that don’t want to use it won’t be forced to. They are safe.

  • Muhammad Abbass

    Of course she was right, but the reason is that all that money, has a BIG say in keeping it illegal. It doesn;t help that a large part of the CIA black budget comes from international drug peddling. The Clintons and Bushes are well known to be involved also, plenty of reports to be found if you look on Google.

  • Muhammad Abbass

    The answer is simply Phineas. As with so many other things, most of which can be abused by humans one way or another. like alcohol, food, sex and religion, only a small percentage have any problem with it as such. Legalise it and the ONLY problem 99% of recreational drug users have, the law, is eliminated. Society can suck it up and help the remaining 1% as they do for other destructive obsessions.

  • Anonymous

    well said.
    this is one helluva lively and long thread/discussion here. the issue is obviously very much on everyone’s mind. and as someone who lives in mexico, i can say that the whole drug violence/war which was purposefully and intentionally started by the corrupt Calderon has wrecked/is wrecking havoc on the whole society and undermining not only its youth who are becoming addicted in huge numbers or else becoming part of the drug network itself, but also corrupting the economic, military and political elites – i expect someday for there to be a revolt similar to what is happening in egypt (not because of the drug issue per se but because of many underlying economic and politically repressive issues and a big issue, corruption, which this phony drug war has fed and made into an incredible Monster….)

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    Many years ago, at the end of the Vietnam War, I distinctly remember a young Dan Rather on CBS report the CIA was running drugs from the Golden Triangle of Southeast Asia.

    There was no mention of it again anywhere because I looked for a followup to the report everywhere for days afterwards.

    Just last year I wrote to Dan Rather’s booking agent to ask him if recalled the report and why there was no follow up? I didn’t get a reply.

  • http://twitter.com/LeNoir679 Jeremy Sharpe

    By her logic caffeine, nicotine and alcohol should all be illegal, as well as (BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE PHARM INDUSTRY COUGH) most OTC drugs.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    I suggest that you spend some time at a rehab clinic to get a first hand view of what drugs (including alcohol) do to individuals and their families.

    You may know casual users who are not addicted but the vast majority do become addicted and their lives are turned upside down. Their time and energy is focused on buying and using drugs. They ignore their friends, family and their job and regularly turn to crime to pay for their habit.

    We as a society have a RESPONSIBILITY to provide direction for proper and healthy behavior because that’s what a civil SOCIETY does and what separates modern humans from roaming nomads.

    Read up on the Portugal experience and I think you would feel good about the motivations and outcomes. They do not make criminals out of drug users. By focusing on TREATMENT they have half the prison population with the savings going to pay for the treatment program . The societal change in attitude toward drugs has been credited for a 30% drop teen drug use.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    She was accidentally referring to Wall Street’s connection to the drug trade.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5J3FHPRLRJPWE4PLA3UAUCVG5I rob

    What she is saying is:

    Because USA Corporations do not have to report the parties involved in cash transactions above 10K, like us poor regular citizens, they are able, and do, reap huge profits from the illegal drug industry. The Corporate Society here in America would simply not allow the bought and paid for politicians to take away the huge stream of income they enjoy by laundering the cash of drug cartels. That is what she means when she says there is too much money in it.

    How do American Corporations do it you ask?

    Lets say you’re a Colombian drug lord and you have ten million dollars cash. You go to GM, GE, etc and purchase products with cash and BAM, the cash is laundered and you have real, legitimate, paid for items you can then sell at your car dealerships, appliance stores, etc. The US corporations do not have to report whom gave them the money, the corporate stock grows and bonuses can be paid to the top executives.

    Pay attention to the spike in corporate profits a couple of months after a big opium harvest in Afghanistan. If I’m lying I’m dying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHY6LW7XHHJSNRTZ532VFA5RXY james

    she also could of been alluding to the fact that there is a lot of money funnelled into law enforcement industries b/c of teh war on drugs. and that with public enemy #1 legalized and taxed the lobbyists representing these industries would revoke their support…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHY6LW7XHHJSNRTZ532VFA5RXY james

    she could of also been referring to the money that law enforcement industries get because of the prohibition of marijuana.

  • Anonymous

    “At the Drug War Chronicle, Scott Morgan called Clinton’s argument “perfectly incoherent” and argued it flew in the face of economic theory.

    I can’t help but wonder what everyone on the left would say if this preposterous analysis came from Sarah Palin, rather than Hillary Clinton. It’s the sort of profound nonsense that ought to get you skewered by Jon Stewart, yet our Secretary of State will almost certainly get a free pass on misunderstanding literally everything about the escalating violence below our border.”

    She almost certainly will not, you Palinite idiot. Fuck you and your Straw man gibberish.

    HILLARY CLINTON IS CIA.

    CIA RUNS AFGHAN HEROIN TRAFFICKING.

    ANY QUESTIONS???????????????????????????????

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1666174104 G Scott Frix

    It’s an old argument, that has lost its meaning. It is now cheaper to get high off of heroin than catch a buzz from beer. Cannabis is still expensive because no one but potheads give a damn about the law anymore, go figure.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if you remember a magazine called “Ramparts”. It was a counter-culture magazine that ran articles on issues like the immorality of the Vietnam war, the CIA’s involvement in drug trafficking in Southeast Asia, and the evolving wars in Central and South America, etc.

    I remember an article in it that stated, from eye witness accounts, that the CIA was helping load opium on to airplanes owned and operated by “Air America” – a CIA front. Shortly after that, their offices were bombed and they were put out of business. The CIA helped traffic in opium in cooperation with the Thailand government to allow the U.S. military to use their airfields to bomb North Vietnam. One big happy family “fighting communism”.

  • Anonymous

    To quote Ronald Reagan: “There you go again”.

    The only thing Hillary left out of this interview was “who” was making “too much money in it”. If those names were ever publically known I’m sure the riots in Tunisia and Egypt would be “Coming To America”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SNHYOQCN5KKXOU5OPSBG26JPCM angela

    Did we learn nothing from the 1930′s? I am disappointed in hilary clinton (I can’t even capitalize her now), I thought she was a little smarter than that. One more time for the dunce’s ALCOHOL PROHIBITION=AL CAPONE AND OTHER GANGSTERS
    ALCOHOL LEGALIZATION=GANGSTERS (mobsters, mafia, crips, bloods etc) UNEMPLOYED
    MARIJUANA PROHIBITION=EMPLOYED GANGSTERS THUS,
    MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION =UNEMPLOYED GANGSTERS(and more jobs for the rest of us, tax revenue, and american farmers would have their cash crop renewable ever six months).

  • Anonymous

    Google Clinton death list.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t remember which site I saw it on, but somewhere within the past couple of weeks I saw in an article’s comments section a simple phrase that totally captured and conveyed the hypocrisy of the current drug prohibition. The person commenting referred to the “War on Some Drugs.” That pretty well says it all, doesn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    The book is called “The Politics of Heroin”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Politics_of_Heroin_in_Southeast_Asia

  • Anonymous

    noob

  • Anonymous

    Says a lot that there’s no comments, as yet, to the ‘very cool’ fact – also in this edition – that we now have a seamless video of the whole of the sun rather than pictures of one ‘side’ or another.

    Many of us can relate to nicotine being harder to shake than almost ANY illegal drug.

    Why not make tobacco illegal to manufacture, package and sell – as an industry – but allow for addicts to grow their own tobacco plants, in the garden, and which won’t have all those gorgeous additives which make them burn continuously and horribly.

    Most of us desire a change of consciousness now and again including the Clintons. How to achieve it is part of the issue.

    And as for the CIA ….. you’d easily belief that these twerps have completely lost the plot whereas the rest of mankind can put together a decent story without needing trillions to make one up as they go.

    Bit fed up with bullshit. ….. back to gardening and the odd bit of sun worship…. and Hillary – if you’re coming round – bring your own coke this time! The CIA can fly it in.

    I enjoyed the comments as much as the article. Thanks very much.

  • Anonymous

    Mena Air Force Base Anyone? Seriously, google Mena and cocaine smuggling.
    Talk about a vast disconnect between a reality you know of and a position you proffer.
    These people and their duplicitiousness is shocking!

    Anadianant

    http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

  • http://www.aaronsenvironmental.com MacAaron

    I often use the phrase “War on (some) Drugs” but I didn’t coin it. I’ve seen it several places and can’t say where it started.

  • Anonymous

    “There is just too much money in it,” Clinton said. “You can legalize small amounts for possession, but those who are making so much money selling, they have to be stopped. They can’t be given an even easier road to take, because they will then find it in their interest to addict even more young people.”

    Nice to see that equal treatment being given to tobacco and alcohol huh?

  • http://twitter.com/cryptographrix cryptographrix

    You think she’s BSing you?

    She’s being surprisingly honest – both the .gov and the banking industry get wayyyy too much money from the fact that drugs are illegal in the US, and neither of them are going to let that go.

    People’s jobs depend on it, people’s lives depend on it, even moreso than from the actual effects of the drugs themselves.

    Make them legal and all of that changes, banks lose deposits, .gov programs (thousands of them) go POOF…and a lot of those .gov programs are funding the work your parents and relatives are doing, even if they’re indirectly involved in the war on drugs.

    It was a brilliant idea, when it lasted – declare a fake war on something that a lot of people could get behind the justification of being morally controversial, enough to keep the US’s heads above water while we were throwing money into the endless pit that was the Cold War.

    I can’t wait to see what fixes this latest rut, what new thing we can make illegal and shove money toward the eradication of.

    Of course, we’d never want to eradicate bad health – no money in that.

  • Anonymous

    on West via Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

    Probation Officer Testifies for Marijuana Legalization
    http://www.youtube.com
    Matt McCally, a former probation officer, testifies before a Washington State House committee in support of a bill to legalize and regulate marijuana. Matt is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), which any civilian can join fo

  • Anonymous

    on West via Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

    Probation Officer Testifies for Marijuana Legalization
    http://www.youtube.com
    Matt McCally, a former probation officer, testifies before a Washington State House committee in support of a bill to legalize and regulate marijuana. Matt is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), which any civilian can join fo

  • Anonymous

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
    Here’s a video clip of former probation officer Matt McCally testifying for a marijuana legalization bill in Washington State today! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbdxLqw33tc

    Probation Officer Testifies for Marijuana Legalization
    http://www.youtube.com
    Matt McCally, a former probation officer, testifies before a Washington State House committee in support of a bill to legalize and regulate marijuana. Matt is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), which any civilian can join .please watch the video at the end by russ jones

  • Anonymous

    Then, the entire GOP/Nazi Party should be illegal for having too much money.

  • Anonymous

    Free market capitalism: Let the market decided what it wants. Legalize all “drugs.” What reslugliCON could possibly oppose it?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_24JC3SUMI3IM475POQGH4R3SQU andrewg

    OMFG

    Legalization would take it OUT of the hands of the criminal element.

    When you can buy pot or coke at WALGREENS or other drugstore, the cartels and thugs will be out of business.

    She knows this.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JOAVBG7AHKAJWYK5DNHID5AEOM Scottie

    Well she’s right – too much money IS in it to simply let it go.

    She learned the business very well during the 80s when Billy boy, his brother Roger (a.k.a. Vacuum Cleaner) and Dan Lasater run the drug trafficking family business in Arkansas during the time when Billy was AK governor.

    It just confirms, once again, that the satanists fully control drugs, wars, sex (incl. paedophilia) – it’s kind a self-perpetual and self-financing sick construction in itself, and they (we all know who they are) surely have no intention whatsoever to let these businesses go.

  • http://twitter.com/DaPenIsMightier ThePenIsMightier

    Mena Airport, not Air Force Base. Try to follow along.

  • http://twitter.com/DaPenIsMightier ThePenIsMightier

    The CIA – Golden Triangle connection is common knowledge. What’s your point?

  • http://twitter.com/DaPenIsMightier ThePenIsMightier

    Correction: The book is called “The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia.” Do try to follow along, old chap.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ITOIHYHRGUKDCWOMQAJRB2C52M Argent

    Catherine Austin Fitts has written extensively on this subject…

  • Guest

    A lot of what you say is correct… society does not offer anything for people who are addicted to drugs. When you think of it, society doesn’t offer anything for any one going through any life changing event. Just look at people going through puberty. Surrounded by a constant noise of advertising, showing everything from acne cream to Victoria’s Secret to Justin Beiber. Focusing on drugs as the problem is like putting a band-aid on the lesions of a cancer patient.

    The problem is not drugs they are merely a symptom. The problem is one of culture. No real culture… our culture is a monetary culture, run by a bunch of immature adult babies, in which we strive to be “financially independent” and acquire cute material things where when we outgrow the fancy of having, we throw those things away. A throw away society.

    Take tribal cultures… there was always, at certain points in the life of a tribal member, rites of passage. When a child reached a certain age the elders would put him through something that made them acutely aware of their own transiency. After the initiation they were greeted with open arms and accepted into that certain age as one of the others until maturity where they took there place as one of the voices in that tribe.

    We don’t have any initiation or rites of passage. Our fast food education does not prepare us for the worst. It does not program us to be functional in our Earth environment. It trains us to be workers towards industry which is, at this point, fucking everything up.

    And because there is no culture we have little awareness of what “the elders” (people with the money) in our monetary culture are doing. Technology is suppressed, diseases are created, DRUGS, money (of which there can be only so much) is funneled to places and projects that does not consider the health of the whole and the world breaks down into a process of cleansing that is not functional for us or other living things.

    Obviously we were endowed with intelligence and we are a species who evolves… regardless of whatever reality we create, thankfully, consciousness maintains the driver’s seat and is our only hope.

    Portugal has taken a chance to do the right thing and it has had some reported success. But what of the people you don’t hear about?

    It doesn’t matter, insofar as what Portugal does, there will always be a certain percentage of the population who will need to put themselves through such an experience as long as we have no culture… or a culture that is a fucking joke. Portugal has good intentions (and could be the beginning of a real culture) and maybe it will catch on, and I think it is important to start somewhere, but our problems are not drugs they are ones of culture.

    Maybe, in a stroke of irony, drug abuse will be the catalyst for real culture.

  • Leonard Krivitsky, MD

    The US Government should overcome its own “denial” with respect to Medicinal Cannabis, which can serve as a safe alternativ­e to many pharmaceut­ical chemicals on the market. I believe it is very positive that the President acknowledg­­es the “validity” of this debate. Whenever the validity of the debate is recognized­­, such a “recogniti­­on” invariably implies that our side has a “valid argument”; this being so, it follows that our side (in favor of Cannabis/M­edicinal Cannabis Legalizati­on) has a very real possibilit­­y of winning this “perfectly legitimate debate”, for otherwise it would not be a “debate”. For example, to even suggest that Cannabis Plant has no medicinal properties is not even a “rational” thing to do; as a “recreatio­­nal” substance, Cannabis is incomparab­­ly safer than alcohol! Few people even know that one out of five people in Britain are expected to live to 100 years old, while Cannabis consumption in Britain is the highest in Europe. Look at Canada where the Cannabis “laws” are much more “liberal” than in the United States, yet the criminality, and especially violent crime, are much lower than in this country. And if all this were not enough, it is scientific­­ally proven that Cannabis use (as opposed to alcohol use) suppresses violent urges and behaviors. All this is true even if the President is “personall­­y opposed” to legalizati­­on (at least for now). But we cannot sit on our butts and passively expect positive developmen­­ts to occur. We must participat­­e actively, write comments at the news articles, write to politician­­s, sign petitions, register to vote, etc. Let’s ask our politicians why, in this time of rising deficits, they would rather talk about taxing mother’s milk than about slashing the so-called “marijuana enforcement” budget! I specifical­­ly urge all the young people to talk to their parents and grandparen­­ts and educate them about Cannabis vs. alcohol and hard drugs. As the logical evidence in our favor inexorably accumulate­­s, the “qualitati­­ve shift” will occur in our common consciousn­­ess, and we will win this “perfectly legitimate­­” debate!

  • Anonymous

    What she really means by, “There is just too much money in it” is the US has spent all those years, and all that money in Afghanistan guarding the poppies, and now you want to legalize it!!
    HELL NO YOU CAN’T!!!

  • Anonymous

    I think that is what government said a prohibition, “There is just too much money in ti to repeal it so we just have keep the status quo, let the crimanals amke the millions and just shed a crocodile tear for all the innocent people who are killed in the crossfire”. I think I say that on the history channel.
    To add what WorstCountry said, There is too much money going to private companies that are making million upon millions fighting a never ending war against drugs and have thousands of lobbyists to brib… donate money to politicians not to change the status quo.
    did I understand the underlining text of the report?

  • Anonymous

    Hey, you frogot to mention Whitewater, Bill Foster and Clinton wanted to steal your health benefits!
    If only Newt Gringrich wasn’t having an affair with a staffer and divorcing his 2nd wife ( while she was undergoing cancer treatments) so he could marry his mistress, now his 3rd wife.

    If that didn’t happen, I just bets ya Clinton would have been thrown out office!!

  • Roberthe

    I want to know about Kendra’s baby! Don’t you? America, Land of the Fashionably Lobotomized. Learn how you can lose inches off your waistline and 20 points off your IQ by summer!

  • Guest

    Fashionably Lobotomized and infantilized.

    T’is pity ,t’is true. T’is pity, t’is, t’is true.

  • Anonymous

    so, should we outlaw credit card companies because there is too much money in fleecing the middle and lower class with fees and it gets more and more people “addicted” to credit?

  • Anonymous

    making money by taking advantage of peoples weaknesses is the American way

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GP3I4ZJKBXK4OOULFAYYUZSENY stephen

    I think it easier to quit pot than nicotine. I could be wrong but it was hard for me to quit cigs 3yrs now I still think about cigs somtimes i seen pot smokers quit not bigger problem for them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GP3I4ZJKBXK4OOULFAYYUZSENY stephen

    Thats BS most people that don’t smoke pot would like legal. Its the hard stuff that we don’t need.

  • Blissninny

    When was Billy the gov. of Alaska? LOL! Sorry, couldn’t help it…

  • Anonymous

    I’[m sorry, your assertion is patently absurd. How in the world did California pocket approaching $100 million in sales tax collected from their medical cannabis vendors last year? Everyone that’s able to shop in those places is authorized to grow their own, or even purchase from black market vendors who charge no taxes. Please explain why these patients spent over $1 billion on a taxed product when 95% of the overall California cannabis market doesn’t charge sales tax?

    http://www.eastbayexpress.com/LegalizationNation/archives/2010/05/05/california-to-collect-100-million-in-cannabis-taxes-this-year

    Tobacco is also a “weed” but the gov’t collect plenty of dough from that. Look it up, tobacco is even more of a “weed” according to these people, coming in at #3 vs #4 for cannabis.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weed

    (PS in reality a weed is an ‘unwanted’ plant, with no requirement that it grow quickly or large)

  • Anonymous

    What in the world makes you think potheads are paranoid? Do paranoid people really post demands for drug reform on the ‘net, write letters to editors, etc? Now I’ve heard meth users get paranoid. Ever seen a meth user that was an advocate of reform? What’s the phone number for the National Organization for the Reform of Methamphetamine Laws, I’d like to give them a call and ask them some questions.

    Stereotyping people, even potheads, is bad, mmm-kay?

  • Anonymous

    Nitckpicking. Pointless.

    Try this:

    http://www.idfiles.com/menaairport.htm

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Well said and right on target!

  • Anonymous

    It may well have been me. I always refer to this epic failure of public policy as the war on (some) drugs. It’s stunningly stupid that everyone is so willing to give drinking alcohol a free pass when it belongs right up there in the grouping that includes meth, coke, and oxycodone, well except it has no legit medical use like the those three do.

    Yes folks, drinking alcohol is an addictive, highly mind altering drug.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “but the vast majority do become addicted”

    Your perception is not corroborated with facts.

    “and regularly turn to crime to pay for their habit.”

    Generally because illegal drugs are very expensive, and they face prison as the alternative.. perhaps they should be able to face treatment instead and not have to worry about having their future destroyed and lifes at risk by being put in prisons.

    “We as a society have a RESPONSIBILITY to provide direction for proper and healthy behavior”

    Yes, but you still can’t legislate morality. It never works, and it’s all subjective. what “direction” should we provide? that found in the Bible? Koran? Wicca books?

    “Read up on the Portugal . . . ”

    I think that was my point all along.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    I think if you’re going to try and keep “some drugs illegal”, the line needs to be drawn along “pure natural” and “synthetic”.. Societies have been using “natural” drugs for 10s of thousands of years without serious problems; it’s the Meth and Heroin and Crack, the super potent drugs that cause the most harm..

    But I’m still not convinced that the large scale harm of prohibition of some drugs wouldn’t a) be a slippery slope to keep some other drugs illegal or make illegal again (cannabis, for example), and b) cost more in terms of lives, crime, violence, and societal disruption in general than if all drugs were legalized and we just helped addicts instead of criminalized them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LMM5UA4C2TNUMJOWW2UJYBZY5M Stephen C

    What she really meant was that the government and its crony contractors makes too much money from the drug war to let drugs go legit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    The American Left portrayed in the Media is very much centrist/right leaning. Hell, they call Obama a Socialist as he gives tax breaks to corporations, extends and perpetuates wars of aggression, and now agrees to beat up Social Security..

    yes, the American Media IS insane.. as are 90% of the right-wingers in America.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “Leave? You’re being more ridiculous now than ever! Why would I have to leave? I’m a man of the land. ”

    Because the population agrees (in principle) to pay taxes to fund a government to provide services. You don’t want to contribute (but want the services). If you don’t want to be bound by the rules of the land, leave the land and find some other land to live on… or, as a group, we’ll exercise our consensus and put you in a cage. Your choice.

    “HOW MANY MEN DOES IT TAKE TO VOTE THE PANTIES OFF YOUR UNWILLING ”

    More drivel from your addled mind. The Constitution prevents that kind of thing, it’s the core of the pact that allows for us to give our consent to be governed. If the Constitution wasn’t there, if our individual liberties weren’t secured, we wouldn’t be in a Democracy and you’d have a valid point.

    Your tripe about Cheney being “above the law” is exactly why it is so important for EVERYONE to agree that the Rule of Law is supreme.. yet, we’re seeing (as you point out) that some are choosing to ignore the law on occasion.. ironically, it’s exactly what you’re suggesting as well. If you were rich and powerful and had friends that would enable you, I’m guessing you’d figure “laws are stupid, they are for controlling the dirty peasants and they don’t apply to me.. I don’t like them so I will ignore them”… the same rhetoric you’re spewing now, from the bottom, where you know you can’t just abuse without consequence.

    I’m guessing you’re in awe of Cheney, and desire to be like him.

  • Guest

    Maybe she meant all the money they would lose bilking the American public out of taxes to fight the longest losing war in American history?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    One of the first times I’ve seen that was from WJM .. also called a “war on minorities” since rich white people don’t go to prison for their drugs, they are granted public office instead.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    I smoked cigs for 17 years.. pot for 2. I just stopped smoking pot (didn’t like all the risks, etc), but it took 2 years of various things to quit cigs.

    The reason people keep smoking pot is they like the overall effects..people keep smoking cigs because they become very addicted.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    My research (looking into the subject, not actual scientific research) into nicotine suggests it is not actually addictive.. but it is cigarettes that are addictive (by using nicotine as a vehicle). One study I read said that cigarette smoke is loaded with MAOIs which might be compounding the effects of nicotine (dopamine release, etc) and other effects of MAOIs which cause a natural reinforcement of pleasurable behaviors. Since there are so many additives and other chemicals in cigarettes, it may well be that nicotine is a very minor part in it all.

    From personal experience, I smoked for 17 years and it was very difficult to quit (until I found Welbutrin). I went 7 years without smoking when I came across eCigs and thought I’d investigate. I had no desire to become addicted again. The more I read the more I decided that it wasn’t nicotine, but tobacco and cigarettes that were the problem.

    I took the risk and ordered eCigs and juice (just nicotine and propylene glycol). After about 8 months of using them daily, I took a 10 day trip over seas. I left my gear at home so as to not have to deal with customs and explaining the device and liquid. I had no withdrawals and had no issues going 10 days without my eCig. When I was smoking tobacco, I couldn’t go more than 3 hours before I was getting panicky and preoccupied with finding a smoke. With the eCig, I can go hours (like 5 or 6 at times) without puffing and not even realize I was “distracted” and doing something without puffing.. That never was the case in 17 years of tobacco.

    That’s just my experience, but it makes sense given all the money and research tobacco companies do to find “better ways to addict people”. If their poison was that addictive in a natural state, they wouldn’t have to add over 300 carcinogens to their product.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Yes.. unlike cannabis, credit and debt are destructive to most people’s lives.

  • Anonymous

    Pot can make you paranoid. I work at a dispensary and I know for a fact that certain strains can cause paranoia in certain people (including me) but it wears off with the high. It’s a side effect same as cotton mouth, euphoria, or red eyes.

    Denying actually truths on either side hurts the legalization movement.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SGJIZZ7Q65T4BAOW3S5NYP27MY Political Atheist

    Almost Biden-like in her gaffe-tasticness. Every once in a while these slimy politicians let the truth slip out.

  • Iconoclasm

    “Leave? You’re being more ridiculous now than ever! Why would I have to leave? I’m a man of the land. ”

    Because the population agrees (in principle) to pay taxes to fund a government to provide services. You don’t want to contribute (but want the services). If you don’t want to be bound by the rules of the land, leave the land and find some other land to live on… or, as a group, we’ll exercise our consensus and put you in a cage. Your choice.

    You’re braindead! Do you have a Mouse in your pocket? Go back to sleep before you continue to embarrass yourself on account of your obvious bout with cognitive dissonance. If I want a mindless automotons advice on where I can go and what my choices are, I’ll let you know.

    “HOW MANY MEN DOES IT TAKE TO VOTE THE PANTIES OFF YOUR UNWILLING ”

    More drivel from your addled mind. The Constitution prevents that kind of thing, it’s the core of the pact that allows for us to give our consent to be governed. If the Constitution wasn’t there, if our individual liberties weren’t secured, we wouldn’t be in a Democracy and you’d have a valid point.

    You have no liberties you idiot! You simply think you do because you’ve been brainwashed to believe it! I’ll ask you again, do you still believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy? I bet you do! You can’t even understand the CONstitution nor the fact that you as a “citizen” have only priviledges. You are living in a fantasy world. Wake up and smell the coffee douchebag!

    Your tripe about Cheney being “above the law” is exactly why it is so important for EVERYONE to agree that the Rule of Law is supreme.. yet, we’re seeing (as you point out) that some are choosing to ignore the law on occasion.. ironically, it’s exactly what you’re suggesting as well. If you were rich and powerful and had friends that would enable you, I’m guessing you’d figure “laws are stupid, they are for controlling the dirty peasants and they don’t apply to me.. I don’t like them so I will ignore them”… the same rhetoric you’re spewing now, from the bottom, where you know you can’t just abuse without consequence.

    You;re simply clueless. Funny how you puff out your chest while thinking your controlled thought processes are not the product of years of indoctrination. You actually believe yourself! ROTFLHAY!!!

    I’m guessing you’re in awe of Cheney, and desire to be like him

    It looks like guessing is all you’re about. That much is obvious!

  • Anonymous

    There’s too much money in drug ENFORCEMENT. When you legalize it, you take the money out of illicit sales

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    I’m starting to see why no one can get anywhere with you. Pure ad hominem rebuttal is all you have. .. from the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

    rights.. not privileges. And to secure those rights, to create the government to protect those rights, the Constitution lays out the framework along with dictating what “rights” will not be infringed. Such as, from the 4th Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated” .. RIGHT.. not privilege.

    I’m not sure what’s wrong with you.. but if you seek professional help, I’m sure someone can find out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    got any info on the strains that avoid paranoia? … if so, I might start smoking again :D

  • Anonymous

    What she REALLY meant was there’s too much money in it for HER and hubby Bill. Just go back to Mena Ark. when hubby was Governor… those connections are still viable. What part of the Bush/Clinton Crime Syndicate don’t you understand? Oh, the new Obama addition, I forgot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUSJ72YAF4LXLGWOHVHQPQM7C4 mardrian

    my friends nephew just got out of tdc he was 17 and did 5 yrs. for 10lbs. of weed whose life did he interfere with?

  • Anonymous

    Sativas tend to offer a more paranoid high, if you’re trying to avoid it go for the heavy indicas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mikeeburnett Mike Burnett

    The Democratic party has a lot more money in the bank then the Republican party, but you can keep believing the propaganda…

    http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php

  • Anonymous

    Since the US government has a patent on cannibus for MEDICAL use (US Patent 6630507, Oct. 2003), and since it’s been cherished for eons for treating all kinds of health issues, and since it’s been proven that you CAN NOT get addicted to it, and considering not one single traffic fatality has ever been pinned to it, and since it’s a hardy little weed that could be grown almost anywhere, which would put the Mexican cartel out of business in one growing season, one can only wonder what drug these people must be abusing if they’re that incredibly stupid.

  • Iconoclasm

    I’m starting to see why no one can get anywhere with you. Pure ad hominem rebuttal is all you have. .. from the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

    You call me Ad Hominem then you quote that? Holy Crap!!! Again, who gave them the authority? Where you born with the authority to tell me (or anyone else what to do or how to live, or that they could vote on something which infringed on anothers right to do a thing? Was anyone else born with the authority to do the same to you? 0 + 0 authority = 0 authority! Please answer the questions.

    rights.. not privileges. And to secure those rights, to create the government to protect those rights, the Constitution lays out the framework along with dictating what “rights” will not be infringed. Such as, from the 4th Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated” .. RIGHT.. not privilege.

    Why did the Founders NOT include a Bill of Rights when they wrote the CONstitution? Why did it take Thomas Paine and Patrick Henry to force them to do so? How come the 50 Amendments handed in by the Commoners were watered down? The CONstitution was written for the People and THEIR posterity, NOT the “citizen” which is what we all became under the 13th and 14th Amendments. The citizen is a subservient class to that of the People! Cops are routinely gunning down people, raiding homes without warrants, and violating the rights of “citizens” throughout this land and being rewarded for it!

    I’m not sure what’s wrong with you.. but if you seek professional help, I’m sure someone can find out.

    Don’t mistake my quantum leap mentality beyond your peanut brain for having something wrong with me. You;re like a Cro Magnon man wondering how Homo Sapiens was beyond your reach! Go back to sleep, or get educated. You can start right here listening to this guys archives:

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=27767&pageNumber=14&pageSize=15

    He’s light years beyond most. Time to wake up!

  • Anonymous

    Hear hear. Momentum is shifting. The time to “play it safe” is over, people. If just 1 in 3 in “the closet” stood tall & quit “playing it safe”, it will be Game Over! There is power in numbers. The momentum is shifting!

  • Anonymous

    However, I would suggest Republicans could shame Democrats, were you to take aggregate net worths for the entire party registered/affiliated populous. Not a preponderance of Fat Cat Democrat CEO’s, I’m guessing. Though merely speculative, who wants to argue?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JOAVBG7AHKAJWYK5DNHID5AEOM Scottie

    you are right, arkansas, just like i wrote it above. i made a typo.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Regarding addiction: I’m afraid that you are flat out wrong when it comes to drugs harder than pot and coke.

    The vast majority of “regular” users ARE addicted. I could go into the physiological responses to drug use but instead I will point out that any person who is willingly choosing to consume any drug at the risk of jail, their life/health, job, relationships etc. is an addict.

    I they were not an addict they would NOT risk all of these negative consequences.

    Don’t take my word for it talk with ex users and drug counselors and they will tell you that there is no such thing as “casual use” for all but a few users of “hard” drugs.

    Even in the countries where hard drug use is legal there are well funded treatment programs to get people off drugs. These programs are always full of people who admit their addiction and want a better life for themselves and their families.
    It’s very simple people who use drugs on a regular basis are fundamentally unhappy and self medicating and we as a compassionate society owe them a better alternative to live a happy and productive life period end of story.
    .

  • Anonymous

    Wow what truth comes out here, and yes there is too much money involved but thats only because its illegal. Once you take back control of the market by legalizing and setting up in state run stores or markets and start arresting those that dont follow those rules, then you will have an American grown crop and the demand will be met. Mexican marijuana wont be an issue because if a cannabis consumer could choose they are going to choose the American grow quality cannabis over anything Mexico can produce. You dont see Mexican cannabis in medical shops now and nor would you if it were legal.

    Its simple we have been through this before and once we did the right thing and took back control of alcohol in the 30s our violence and crime dropped there were less deaths due to all kinds of reasons and the American public was safer for it all. Prohibition creates these problems, regulating, control and legalizing keeps us and our kids much safer.

    Once the market is in the hands of states and regulations and under control the demand is met by this new controlled regulated market, the black market disappears or go hunt down those in it, thats fine but we dont see people producing selling or killing over alcohol now do we? We dont see kids getting alcohol very easy or from dealers on the street so we know that regulation works far better than prohibition.

  • Anonymous

    No kidding and to top it all off his life now will be greatly limited, jobs, school anything he does thats on his recored and will be forever. This whole thing just is stupid but very sad because of the lives lost and destroyed like your nephew.

    I just saw on the Tv a son and his wife just got back from hospital having their first child they walk in find his mother dead/shot and when the cops get there they arrest the son for 2.5gms of pot, drag him off and leave newborn and wife alone to deal with death of his mother. WTF are we doing to our citizens, hes the criminal here, hes the one that needs locked up, how about go find the person who shot his mom!! Dam!

  • Guest

    For sure… with Ky probably running in the top 5 places to grow.

  • Anonymous

    Her comment was accurate, just taken out of context- perhaps to cover up her freudian slip. IMO she was referring to the fact that there is too much money in it for special ops, or has everyone forgotten the Iran-Contra scandal, which was but a tip of this ice berg. And which state senator was implicated?According to what I have read, her knowledge is first hand.

  • Blissninny

    Dumb or true, or dumb to tell the truth? The government is making much more money using prohibition than they could ever make from taxing and regulating. They fund studies, then ignore them because they don’t like what the studies find. They ignore the AMA. They ignore the thousands of citizens calling for reform. They ignore the constitution. Why? Because they make too much money on it the way it is.

  • Blissninny

    Don’t forget the money they save by cutting federal student aid if you have any drug charge. You can kill, rape, murder, steal, and still get student aid. Possession of any amount of any drug will cut it off. They take a teenager with a joint, cut off student aid, put the kid in jail where they receive a very different education. We wonder what has happened to the younger generation? Deny an education to a bright kid without money and see what happens. Ever notice their kids stay out of jail and go to school anyway? Keep the poor poor, the rich get richer. There will soon be no middle class. It’s all planned. We let it happen.

  • Blissninny

    Interesting how the marijuana “addicts” entering treatment are there by court order. How many people actually have to have help to quit smoking pot? No detox required. Psychological dependence, sure. But expensive residential and medical treatment? I think not. Obama recently said that marijuana reform is worthy of serious debate, then went on to say how we need to open more treatment facilities. So it looks to me that under pressure the gov might just build “Treatment prisons” (my words) No real interest in debate of legalization or decriminalization as he had stated before he was elected president.

  • Blissninny

    It’s about poverty, not race. There are poor, hungry, uneducated white, hispanic, asian, native, and black people. See comment on denial of education for drug possession I posted above. The poor fill the prisons, do the menial labor, die early…all very convenient for the rich. Stating white people are all evil is a very broad assumption that I take exception to. The American Government is evil would be more accurate. I realize the reefer madness was about racism, but times have changed. Oppression is now equal opportunity.

  • Blissninny

    It really doesn’t seem to matter. They all turn out the same once in office.

  • Blissninny

    After reading all the debate and comments there seems to me to be a simple way to find out if we truly live in a free democracy. Put decriminalization of marijuana (or the war on drugs) up for a vote on a national ballot. I’m aware California didn’t pass prop 19, but at least they got the right to vote. They have access to medical marijuana, but it is still illegal at the federal level, and the majority of states. Why are we not allowed to vote on this issue on a national level? We can’t even vote at the state level here because nobody is brave enough to introduce a bill, and even if they were to try to put it on the ballot Dustin McDaniel, our attorney general finds fault with wording every time. It is common knowledge that no wording will pass his inspection because he uses the fact that it is illegal at the federal level to send it back until the legislators give up. I doubt that we are the only state with this problem. Why not decriminalize and treat marijuana like alcohol or prescription drugs? As stated above, there is too much money at stake, but there are lives and futures of our children at stake too. We should at the very least demand a vote. We’d soon find out if we have a democracy or a dictatorship disguised as a democracy. The only fear I have is that the electors would not vote the actual will of the people. I know it would not be practical to have a national election for every law, but the war on drugs is such an immense, intertwined, and (insert your own words here) mess it really boils down to constitutional rights, and federal law. The usual method hasn’t worked. I think one reason Obama was voted into office was because he said he was inclined to decriminalize marijuana. Now he’s changed his mind. (I do commend him for laying off states’ rights- but it’s not law, so there is no real protection) It seems every person in office who at one time favored decriminalization changes their mind. It’s always before or after office that the politicians opinions soften. If it was voted on by the American people it would take the pressure off any one president or party. First of all the drug class of marijuana should be decided in federal court by science, doctors, and truth. Then it should be placed appropriately in the drug schedule at the supreme court level, not the whim of the DEA. Then the Federal government could legalize it for medical use, then the states could vote on it without the problem of the federal law opposing it’s use even for medical situations. What a mess. The law is opposite the science (for marijuana). The war on drugs is a deadly, life destroying joke. Either the federal government should go by facts and truth and legalize for medical use/decriminalize for private use, or let the people vote for it. Wait, that means someone has to have the fortitude to write a bill, then the house and senate to agree to pass the bill, then let us vote on it. There goes that idea. Now my brain hurts. Can we just demand to put this to a vote? Never mind, I know the answer. Sorry for wasting your time. I guess Hillary got it right. To sum it up…”there’s too much money in it”. OK, I’m ready to be crucified now…

  • Anonymous

    If Mexico legalizes all drugs and all drug trafficking, the US would be forced to legalize drugs. Quite simple actually…but government, of course, loves to complicate eveyrthing and does so at the cost of its citizens security, good health and life.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JBOYM7U5CPER73JX57LWIMKHJU Jillian

    Marijuana doesn’t cause cancer, heart disease, brain damage, liver disease, or emphysema, and its addictive potential is about on par with coffee. The DEA is 100% misinformed when it calls marijuana “extremely harmful”.

    The marijuana prohibition empowers the drug dealers and cartels and makes our children LESS safe! We parents have been patient long enough, we must speak up and demand that marijuana be legally sold to adults in gas stations and supermarkets just as beer and wine are today!

  • Anonymous

    In a way she clearly did not intend, she was right. There is so much money to be made from the war on drugs, on the enforcement side, that is, that legalization of drugs would cut off the spigot of government funding now going to private prison firms who clearly stand to lose in such a paradigm shift.

    Yes, criminals would lose the ‘risk premium’ described above (which would be good), but law enforcement budgets, and, to an ever-greater extent, private contractors, would also lose billions. I doubt this forever war on weed will ever go away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Shartwel/1102283836 Steve Shartwel

    That’s called merit based or something….I mean, we all know pot is way more dangerous than raping babies, unless someone beat you to it. Don’t hate, I’m just trying to walk in moron shoes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Shartwel/1102283836 Steve Shartwel

    Laws are for the poor, regulations are for the rich. So, let the deregulation continue.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVV2FE74Q4GFEXHRNNOETYL3CE steve jones

    What would they do without all the tax payers money.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget that Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas when the CIA was importing Bolivian Marching Powder by the ton into Mena, Arkansas.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TN3C445BY43HPYBXHKQOV4BAHY Randy

    we live in a police state because of this so called war on drugs.the bad thing about it is,the police are so crooked,selling and busting the one that don’t go along with the The Big Blue Cartel.hope you never end up on the wronge side of this CARTEL.THEY ARE EVERY WHERE.Be carefull out there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4NRWFM7R6A6K6WTAQIA5LL7CNA Jeffrey

    Right On, Gordon – Few know about that, and even less remember it

  • Anonymous

    Hillary is profoundly wrong in this opinion, as she was on Hillarycare. Did legalizing alcohol reduce or increase criminality? Almost everyone knows the answer to this. Legalization, un- fortunately established bootleggers who become established & graduated into other organized criminal activities… thanks to the passing of prohibition. Hillary: TAKE A HIKE! Thinking people vet decisions to ascertain what the prospects are of unintended consequences… this girl just flapped her gums once to often.

  • http://twitter.com/NoelNewnam Noel Newnam

    Yes, precisely! No other financial argument needed! On legal grounds, the double standard of alcohol v. marijuana is a joke, and the bias in stricter enforcement of prohibition on blacks and Hispanics than on whites is horribly immoral. Lives ruined without good cause, the blood of untold thousands, not to mention the severe damage to several large countries, should haunt the dreams of the prohibitionists for the rest of their lives. Shame!

  • http://www.facebook.com/4MikeLawson Mike Lawson

    Don’t worry those of us on the left will give Hillary just as much flack as we’d give $arah Palin ® is she had said this. That’s the difference between us Democrats and those Republicans. We’ll call our own people out when the goof up instead of plowing forward with some Becksian excuse.

  • http://twitter.com/NoelNewnam Noel Newnam

    The CIA still has some housecleaning to do!

  • http://twitter.com/NoelNewnam Noel Newnam

    Unfortunately the people in control have more than the average amount of neurotic control freaks, and they can’t let it go. I thought I’d never think this, but on prohibition, fuck you Hilary (and Bill and George and Barack, etc. etc.) and all the politicians of any persuasion forcing their morality upon the world. That is anti-American. This is a good place to begin the new American Revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Billary is a clueless socialist.
    Oh… sorry for the redundancy….
    What would happen to the price of drugs if they were legalized?
    This number is old. I’ve been out of the trade for a lot of years, but at one time, an ounce of 99.44% pharmaceutical grade cocaine was only about $100.00/ ounce. Of course, it was very difficult to get that prescription….but if you did, that’s really all the drug would cost.
    If drugs were legalized, would anyone buy them on the street? Or would they prefer to have the peace of mind of knowing they have a certified pure product?
    If everyone bought their pharmaceuticals at a drugstore (or what ever outlet the .gov authorized) where would the gangs/terrorists/hoodlums/welfare recipients get their cash?
    No cash, no AK47.
    No cash, no Escalade.
    No cash, no pu55y.
    Understand me here: I do not use drugs. I think drugs are stupid. But the price free Americans are paying to support this failed “war on drugs” is too high.
    And the only victims are society and the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    uh….they test for those as well

  • Anonymous

    Ignorance in public. this is NOT supposed to be a democracy. It was intended to be a Republic.
    (Of course that all died cf.1916, IIRC)
    Bad poster! Back to civics class!

  • Anonymous

    Clinton knows it’s not about addiction…”you can legalize small amounts for possession”. It’s about money, power & respect. There’s an established elite. We’re playing monopoly folks and you can’t win.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a little amused to see some people calling Clinton a socialist for adhering to a far-right position. At least get your labels straight. She offered an incoherent justification for the war on drugs because a rational argument does not exist. Like the war on terrorism, this is nothing but a scam to increase the power of the police state. Both are self-perpetuating, ruinously expensive, and defended by the worst kind of hypocritical rhetoric.
    We live in a fascist country, people. Either get on board or do something about it. (Hint: voting for crypto-republicans like Obama and Clinton ain’t it.)

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KH3VWQ5KN7UKPPXBMIDQ2P6XWI Anonymous

    What she meant was….
    Illegal drugs are a permanent part of the economy.
    Drug money supports big contributions to both Dems and Repugs.
    The uber rich of Mexico are making Billions from the trade.
    Bush2 and his Texas cronies are heavily invested.
    Can’t kill it can’t live with out it.

  • CKH

    The war on drugs is a war on common sense.

  • Anonymous

    You really only have 2 choices at either extreme: 1) the goverment can take all the money they spend on the War on Drugs and give all of the drugs away FREE, instantly eliminating the black market and associated crime, or 2) mandatory hard labor jail time for possession, no matter how small, with a warning for a first offence. None of the options in the middle of these two have ever come close to working.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515249617 Edward Norton

    Kinda whacky. If it’s legal and regulated like medical marijuana clinics, and taxed at 80%, we could pay off the national debt in just a few short years.

  • Anonymous

    Hillary Clinton was never all that bright. She is overrated and this shows it. She flunked the DC bar exam, probably the next to easiest one in the country, the easiest being the Arkansas bar exam that she managed to pass. She has never learned to speak another language. She is no smarter than Sarah Palin. What they share is unlimited ambition that burns in them like a think white flame.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EJCHJ2LWM3MGYUGHWB7ALWHE6M Kitty Antonik Wakfer

    “President Calderon has not gone as far himself, but did approve legislation decriminalizing possession of small amounts of most recreational drugs, and has called for a debate on new approaches to dealing with drugs.”

    This last is especially interesting given the fact that large numbers of tourists to Mexico make use of the fact that many prescription-only pharmaceuticals are available in that country over-the-counter. Such USers have been described as “children in a candy store” purchasing items that would in the US cost them many times more *and* after paying (directly or through insurance co. premiums) for a doctor’s visit/prescription. The FDA regulations are an immense cost, time and suffering imposition on USers and those living/visiting the US.

    What does the US government get out of this? Sense of power for those in high positions, probably along with money from drug companies & illegal drug catels (directly or to “campaign funds + later lobbying positions); and money & kicks for those doing the enforcing!

    Know any FDA, DEA, and other government enforcers?? Attempt persuasion towards a truly productive job. If they continue, withdraw voluntary association and publicize their names & photos so that others can do likewise. Public negative Social Preferencing – shunning/ostracizing – can be extremely effective in persuading otherwise unconvinced government enforcers to cease.

    Enforcers are the key to all government regulations/mandate/edicts/laws/etc! Without the enforcers – or just very few – the regs are nothing but words!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ISE4MRXITWPGMRVVH6SLD2A5Y4 VENDETTA

    What she really meant to say is that “THERE IS TOO MUCH MONEY BEING SPENT ON THE WAR AGAINST DRUGS FOR IT TO STOP ” The DEA would have her killed !!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ISE4MRXITWPGMRVVH6SLD2A5Y4 VENDETTA

    Your an IDIOT !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I352QG34AG2EIJCMXLRPUQA4DU John Pepper

    Will prohibition in the future suddenly produce a different response than prohibition always has in the past? Why?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DSM6WRIRVL3IY4AGMQFBBJAI4Y D B

    Yes, because we all know that tobacco and pharmacuetical companies do not make any money. The concept that Secretary Clinton does not know what she is talking about is ludicrous. Go tell Pfizer or RJ Reynolds that they don’t make any money – of course they do, oodles of it. Who writes this stuff, really?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCZXQRLV46F2M44GZDS46ALSLQ nomad

    Thousands of people arrested each day, cameras and snitches everywhere: no wonder why so much paranoia!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCZXQRLV46F2M44GZDS46ALSLQ nomad

    Make it legal and the paranoia will vanish.

  • Anonymous

    That’s it exactly…there is too much money tied up and devoted to enforcing its illegal status. What would they do with ahell of the lost jobs, overtime wages, lawyers, bail money, etc…I don’t condone drugs but I say if someone is dumb enough to do them, let them and for crying outloud stop making money off their stupidity!

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone else recall that the money/guns for dope scandal involving Iran and the contra terrorists had one of their main landing fields in the state who’s govenor (at the time 1983-1992) is Hillary’s husband. No doubt she knows how much money there is in keeping all drugs (not big pharm) illegal. For more on the back story why the U.S. does not do more to stop the flow both ways of illegal goods (people cannot be considered illegal in my opinion) “Down By The River” by Charles Bowden would be a great start.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCZXQRLV46F2M44GZDS46ALSLQ nomad

    Don’t wait for Canada to improve things. The Harper government nominates senators in order to by-pass elected representatives. Harper wants people caught with 5 pot plants to do 6 months of prison without parole. Canada is not the free country it once tended to become. Instead, it is reaffirming itself as another U.S.A.’s ass-licking poodle. The only significant changes towards legalization will come from the United States, home of the Free, home of the freethinkers ,not of the brainwashed.

  • Anonymous

    Your command of the written word makes me think you’re not qualified to label anyone as an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Your incorrect usage of the written word disqualifies you’re opinion of unpundit’s intelligence from serious consideration. Resorting to mere name calling is also the domain of idiots. Project much?

  • Anonymous

    Anti-prohibitionists would like us to forget that the Mafia is still wealthy and invests in legal businesses, while continuing to commit crimes. Legalizing drugs wouldn’t get rid of drug gangs, either. It would open the way for thousands more people to destroy their lives and those of others through drugs, just as tens of thousands do with alcohol, now.

    The bloodshed in Mexico is due at least as much to corruption of officials and a long history of political abuses by government as it is to greed from the drug trade.

  • http://twitter.com/mike_stoddard Mike Stoddard

    The big pharma companies make such huge profits because of monopoly grants by the government called Patents and government regulation/prohibition of the drug industry by the FDA. If all drugs were legalized and the drug industry regulation was repealed, the profit margins would come down considerably because of the increased competition. Anyway, no where did it say that there isn’t money to be made selling drugs… just that without the “risk premium” associated with the black market there would obviously be less. Also, the violence would go away completely if drugs were legalized. Do you see big pharma companies or RJ Reynolds decapitating people who get in their way? The concept that Sec Clinton doesn’t know what she is talking about makes perfect sense to me… I fail to see how it is ludicrous. Can you explain why it is ludicrous? Or explain the reasoning of her comments?

  • Anonymous

    Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Is that all you got?!

    Pfft.
    Typical liberal anti.

    Probably an illegal, as well, judging by {you’re your yore} lack of command of basic third grade grammar.

    OK, one more time.

    your=possessive
    you’re=contraction for you are
    yore=times past

    Come back when you graduate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001224409264 Smail Buzzby

    She probably meant to say that there is too much money to be made by the private prison industry – the only group that has benefited from our idiotic belief that making things illegal will stop people from doing those things.
    Poor Hill-dog, she was probably off of her ‘medication’ at the time…

  • Anonymous

    The only thing the war on drugs has accomplished is to created a large revenue stream for criminals. Have we learned nothing from prohibition? At least legalize marijuana, this one makes no sense. If the pharmaceuticals had a patent on marijuana they’d be flooding us with commercials touting it’s benefits and the goverments would be giving them tax breaks to grow it.

  • Anonymous

    She is so right. People have been saying this forever. The people in the know have been saying this from everywhere. Prisons, local police, state police, DEA, Sheriffs, FBI, Private prisons, contractors, drug testing facilities, Parole boards, parole agents, families of all these people, rely on drugs of any kind being illegal. There is too much money in it, and so many people to vote against it because there lives, the family of them, and all the drug dealers rely on it being illegal.

  • Anonymous

    She is so right. People have been saying this forever. The people in the know have been saying this from everywhere. Prisons, local police, state police, DEA, Sheriffs, FBI, Private prisons, contractors, drug testing facilities, Parole boards, parole agents, families of all these people, rely on drugs of any kind being illegal. There is too much money in it, and so many people to vote against it because there lives, the family of them, and all the drug dealers rely on it being illegal.

  • Anonymous

    She is so right. People have been saying this forever. The people in the know have been saying this from everywhere. Prisons, local police, state police, DEA, Sheriffs, FBI, Private prisons, contractors, drug testing facilities, Parole boards, parole agents, families of all these people, rely on drugs of any kind being illegal. There is too much money in it, and so many people to vote against it because there lives, the family of them, and all the drug dealers rely on it being illegal.

  • Anonymous

    There is only that much money due to the laws the Clintons helped create. They have pretty much destroyed the earths atmosphere in the meantime. With hemp legalization and hemp fuel like Henry Ford intended it to be the Gettys and mega oil billionaires would be put out of business for the good of all.
    Hemp can then be grown like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson ordered it to be. This will replenish the atmosphere with CO2 scrubbing emissions. Hemp grows up to one foot a day for lumber production.
    Obama is an enemy to free thinking people and would prefer to keep our society in a poor black victim mode.

  • Anonymous

    Not with separation of church and state.
    Exterminate the christian government

  • Anonymous

    What Clinton didn’t say but should have is: there is just too much money in it for politicians like herself.

    Al Capone had hundreds of politicians and law enforcement personnel on his payroll.
    Shouldn’t we assume that the drug cartels have politicians and law enforcement personnel on their payroll?

  • Anonymous

    Freetrade is nonexistant. Usury and extortion is the goobern mental goal.
    We Do Not Trust In God

  • Guest

    Psh, who needs to buy politicians when the CIA is still running cocaine to finance their own illegal operations? That alone is an incentive for the government not to push too hard for reform in either direction.

  • Anonymous

    folks this is not that hard! If your employer doesn”t test or care about drugs, do them if you wish, How ever if you draw, unemployment or welfare, you shoud have to take monthly drug tests…..Its that simple…you pass you get a check, if not no money

  • Anonymous

    The Clintons should be very familiar with the drug trade. Mena, Arkansas ring a bell?
    http://www.dunwalke.com/4_Narco_Dollars.htm

  • Anonymous

    too much money turning famalies against there own children to extort money from nieve Americans

  • Anonymous

    by decriminalizing small amounts of drugs, you only make the problem that much worse. Either legalized it or forget it. If people want drugs they should go to a drug store for them, not a street corner, and then publicize the pit falls, and I mean DEEP pitfalls. It is a lose situation. Adam and Eve love their forbidden apples too much.

  • Anonymous

    you mean, wherein the Clintons allowed importation of freight planes loaded with coke at taxpayers expense? No, I don’t remember that. But I do remember when crack meant something in your wall that slowly spread.

  • Anonymous

    You could be Clinton’s aide, to help her finish here sentences when she gets forgetful.

  • Anonymous

    Yes it was Drugs that killed Reagan’s brain, that, and too many jelly beans.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, when you got twenty years for possession of a small amount of pot, there was no drug problem.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SIAQ7RJWLU6XSCFL47OQNEPEPE AngryBuddha

    Really? My CIA dealer said they were only selling bath salts now.

  • Anonymous

    we should make sex illegal, that would solve all the problems.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, legalize crime and there will be no crime, and, we can save money, since no one need pay any taxes either.

  • Anonymous

    No just a gross injustice and violation of human rights.

  • Anonymous

    yes, but there was no drug problem. Too bad, my life would have turned out a whole lot differently, I might have made something out of my self instead of turning my brain into a useless veggie.

  • Anonymous

    You have managed to completely misunderstand what is going on.

    The reason the Mafia has money to invest is because of prohibition. The fact that they put drug money into legitimate assets does not imply they would have the drug money if drugs were legal.

    Likewise, legal businesses have a vested interest in not breaking the law, and are protected by it. Whereas criminal enterprises have no other protection than to threaten, and deliver, bloodshed.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you forgot about 3) letting the economy handle it like it handles other adult and/or potentially dangerous products.

    Give out licenses to sell drugs and drug sellers will bend over backwards to not lose their license.

  • Anonymous

    Here is the real deal. She is totally right, but not for the reasons she is stating.

    There is too much money in prohibition. Take away the federal money from Law Enforcement and Corrections and watch holy hell happen. Both of those have lobbyist’s, very powerful lobbyist’s. There is too much money in locking people up, there is too much money in interdiction programs.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it, as it were.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YTCALEUKORWDPTVROH5VYP5DCY Scott

    dear misinterpreter,

    She was referring to the fact that legalizing it would further encourage dealer to addict people to increase sales, and would be able to do so legally and without having to hide from the authorities.

  • Anonymous

    Good to know that the U.S. is fully stocked with positive minded people like yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/ElijahsFury Elijahs Fury

    Hundreds of thousands in the law enforcement and correctional facilities, would lose their jobs. People would stop dying, but who cares. people would lose their jobs. Isnt that more important than losing your life?

  • Anonymous

    There is a difference between crime, and victim-less crimes. The latter are simply an excuse for the prison industrial complex to pick the taxpayer’s wallet.

  • Anonymous

    you mean like the way that the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical companies do right now?

  • Anonymous

    At last! Someone with a voice of authority has said something meaningful about Prohibition–pardon me, the War on Drugs! If drugs were de-criminalized, it would have the sane effect as ending the original Prohibition! And it would save thousands of lives, many of them innocent lives.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPR5N677ELT53A4P743432UXVM Steve

    arrogant constitutional expert prick-that’s all i need for a name-calling twit with no more answers than any of the other idiots on this forum. no one cares about you, or me . so there big mouth name-caller. oh yeah- you mispelled the word pussy.

  • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com The Sanity Inspector

    I know that there’s not 100% overlap between liberals and people who want to legalize drugs. But still, it’s weird, those that do overlap. On one hand they say that the government is bought & paid for by big business interests, that corporations are running the show. One the other, they offer smiley-face fantasies about “tightly regulating” drug cartels once drugs become legal. the cartels are exponentially richer and more ruthless than any hedge fund manager you’d care to name–pluse they have guns. Just who is going to bring them to heel, and how?

  • Anonymous

    One more example of the incompetence of the current administration.

  • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com The Sanity Inspector

    You mean all that kookery that The American Spectator flung at the wall during the 90s, hoping some of it would stick? It was all BS, and finally even Milton Scaife’s money wasn’t enough to induce the “reporters” to keep up the sham.

  • Anonymous

    Average, if the pigs, I mean er..uh..the poe lice pick you up and jail you for being stoned, then you are the victim twice over. If you have brown skin when you do it, woe be unto you!
    How can you call that a victimless crime? On the other hand, my neighbors in my building are dealers, are an absolute nuisance (car horns and agruments at 3AM under my and other’s bedroom windows, but the Santa Monica Peoples Republic ignore such complaints, as well as massive welfare fraud.

  • Anonymous

    Reagan couldn’t remember doing it (yes I remember his testimony), he had Alzheimer’s all through his second term (which the Press Corp conveniently covered up, the lackeys!), so it didn’t happen, making him according to Fox News commentators, one of the four greatest Presidents of all time. As I remember he was the worst of the worst until Bush Jr. came along and topped his achievements. Hooray!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KHQCDUDUK4KFL3Q5DX6PBHDKB4 Paul

    People want to rape and murder as well. Should we also make those activities legal by your logic?

  • Anonymous

    She was telling you the truth, morons, without spelling it out in a way that would get her killed.

    There IS too much money in it. For the CIA, the number one drug trafficker in the world. You KNOW that already.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KHQCDUDUK4KFL3Q5DX6PBHDKB4 Paul

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that they’re not out to get you!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKI25NSDW5XEGPD6ZQNOX4L7EA ian m

    What no one seems to be mentioning is the fact that if drug are made legal and are mass produced and packaged and sold just like alcohol then the supply increase and availability will drive the prices down just like the price drop of alcohol after prohibition ended. That will take away the income from street gangs that are currently thriving on drug sales. They WILL find ways to make up the losses. They WILL increase robberies, thefts, kidnappings and murder for profit. Mexico is a perfect example of this in action right now. The drug cartels control the drugs and their distribution and they receive the profits. This leaves much of the common street gangs and other criminals to commit more robberies, thefts, kidnappings and murders for profit to make up for not being able to sell drugs there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KHQCDUDUK4KFL3Q5DX6PBHDKB4 Paul

    I’m with you just let me stock up on ammo first OK?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KHQCDUDUK4KFL3Q5DX6PBHDKB4 Paul

    No they don’t. Stoners just want their drugs. They care not the ramifications of their acts. A causality rate as high as you state suggests to me more than a drug turf war. No matter what a media misinformation campaign says different. Declaring a failure logically implies a comparative success. Even if you could produce some implausible scenario impracticable with our society it would be void.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1155925008 Chris Harris

    Your premise is a bit off. If we use marijuana as an example, one idea is that companies like Philip Morris, etc, begin growing and selling as they do with tobacco. Now, if you’re the consumer, would you rather buy pot from PM, or just some guy operating in a black market? If something goes wrong with what you bought from PM then you have recourse through the courts. If something goes wrong with the dealer then you have no legal recourse. The same goes for quality and consistency. Say what you will about the lethality of the product, but a pack of Camels is generally a pack of Camels. Do you think that’s true for bags of marijuana? So, if RJ Reynolds is selling a consistently good product at a steady price, that doesn’t require you to do anything shady to acquire it, and the other guy has no guarantees and the risk of legal repercussions, with whom will you do business?

    Who will bring the cartels to heel? The market and the consumer.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck, we live in a fascist theocracy.

  • Anonymous

    Drugs are not illegal in this country. Those that make the corporations billions are readily available and they do not want any competition. The difference below the border is instead of getting put in prison for selling or using the wrong drugs you simply get murdered. Here in the land of freedom we simply lock you away at 50k a year. As my six year old son said when seeing a cop on tv bust a guy for pot, “for a plant”. It takes only a six year old to know what a farce the drug laws are and what a waste of money and human resources. The sheeple are happy with their drugs because their drugs are legal and cheap. The drugs for us without blue eyes will continue to be expensive and forbidden. We must keep the Real Estate Investment Trust prisons full so they pay continued dividends to investors.

  • Anonymous

    Well I have read all the comments to this artical. I have to add that we as responcible citizens need to vote out these idiots that run our country. The American politician is all about greed, lies, and deception. The list is long on how the luminatti has skrewed this world up and rule with a iron fist. So by thinking in those terms, people need to get off their asses and get these career slave driving fools out and start voting in regular people with SUSTAINABILITY in their hearts. This will be the KEY WORD of a bright future for all. These governments all around the world are all about slavery and seperatism. We need to get with it if we know what is good for all life on earth. Think about this the next time you talk politics and spread the key word.

  • Guest

    Smoking pot does not hurt anyone. And many parts of the plant can be used in many positive ways.

  • Guest

    Not so.

  • Anonymous

    I happen to know the woman personally, and happen to also know exactly what I’m talking about. You, on the other hand, are doing the cointelpro work of the problem’s perps for them.

  • Dolmance

    So millions of Americans, past and present, have lost their freedom and had their families devastated because “there’s too much money in it?”

    That’s some cold blooded drivel that passes for wisdom among the political class and it’s absolutely despicable.

  • Anonymous

    I’m there, dude. I’ve got a life, and a job. Good luck out there.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, gosh. I never realized there weren’t any numbers in that word. I stand abashed at your intellect, and grateful for your/you’re/yore correction.

    *snort*

  • Anonymous

    And George Soros is…Republican?

    Any guesses on Bill Gates?

    How about Steve Jobs?

    What else you got?

  • Anonymous

    Who is “we”, white man? Who are you to decide what someone else “needs”?
    A lot of people don’t think yo need your/you’re/yore marijahoozitz. Now what? If you can’t come up with an actual philosophical position that justifies your choice of intoxicants over other peoples choices, just sit down, shut up, take another toke, and smile as your/you’re yore rights and the Republic drift away.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe anyone would say this out loud. Except that no one can tell who you are on teh netz. So we can’t point and laugh.
    How about this, benius:
    No victim, no crime.
    Simple enough concept to grasp? It has a long history in common law. I suggest we go back to it.
    If someone wants to inject heroin, or arsenic, why the hell should I care?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe? Smoker are a dying breed. Those that ain’t dyin’ are quittin’. How do you think they intend to make up the revenues?
    And the sheeple will think it’s “progress” to be able to pay taxes on their precious “legal” marijahoozitz.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKI25NSDW5XEGPD6ZQNOX4L7EA ian m

    “Not so.”, Is not an adequate response to what I have stated. “Not so.”, is an infantile response made by a child to an adults query as to their irresponsible behavior that is indicative of their lack of understanding and percetption of reality.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCZXQRLV46F2M44GZDS46ALSLQ nomad

    You’re right,Paul! That’s why one can be paranoid.

  • Guest

    Your response is so predictable. People who speak like this on these posts have to be generally unhappy. With words that hope, in their wildest, dreams to be somehow insulting. People like you show the belief of their own inferiority by speaking like you have a superiority complex. What a joke. Is your life so empty that it makes you feel better to speak such a way to someone? If we were standing face to face I bet you $1000.00 US you wouldn’t take the chance to speak with such words and with such a tone.

    It is your opinion that people would resort to felony crimes with marijuana becoming legal. That’s it. Your opinion. And if you have any experience at all you know exactly what opinions are like.

    Yours and others responses in this forum is intriguing to the extent that you feel it is somehow necessary to speak the way you do. A phenomenon that is tired. Talk about infantile. It is terribly boring to have to look at such words as you have written. Words that strain to keep someone’s attention, so completely unoriginal and sophomoric if the only thing I had to do in my life was read them, I would be tempted to cut my wrists to free my self of such awful, awful boredom. But thank God, reading your words aren’t the only thing I have to do in my life.

    If you want to be taken seriously by me or anyone else anywhere on this planet (or any other) you will need to change your tone to something a little more interesting.

    -Bye now

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKI25NSDW5XEGPD6ZQNOX4L7EA ian m

    You obviously don’t have much to do in your life after all because you are reading and responding to my posts. You make an ignorant assumption judging that I would not say what I have said here to your face, when in fact I would say the same and more. I am guaranteed that right by the first amendment to the United States Constitution. You should as well know if you have any experience at all what you make of yourself when you assume things. I did not say in my first post that legalizing just marijuana would cause an increase of crime. I do believe marijuana should be legalized. It is simply grown and not processed in any way. The drugs I was speaking of and obviously(according to you) should have been more specific about are the major money makers for most street gangs…crack,heroin, and meth. Those drugs are deadly because of what they are being cut with, because of their unknown potency, and their addictiveness. I stated that the legalization of drugs in general would take away profits from violent criminals that would seek other ways to make up for the loss of the majority of their income. If you cannot or will not see what is blatantly obvious, that is not my fault, but your own.

  • Guest

    “You make an ignorant assumption judging that I would not say what I have said here to your face, when in fact I would say the same and more. I am guaranteed that right by the first amendment to the United States Constitution.”

    I wonder, have you ever been to any kind of meetings where people come together to discuss things? I gather, from your response you don’t have too many friends.

    I know a few assholes my self and do my best to avoid them.

    The First Amendment does not give you the right to say anything to my face, and if you get close enough, you might find your self on the floor wondering what happened.

    But I’ll bite… I live in the SEMO area. Are you nearby? I did make a wager of a $1000.00 US. It’s Saturday and I have a little time, and I do like bets, if you are within an hour from here I would be glad to see if you would be willing to speak in such a way to my face.

  • Anonymous

    There’s too much money in kick backs for the government! Besides if they ended the “war on drugs” what would they do with all the worthless government employees who are pulling their paychecks?

  • Anonymous

    Too much money in kick backs for the government!!! Besides if the gov’t ended the “war on drugs” they could get rid of another useless gov’t department and save tax payer money! Not to forget all the tax revenue that would come in and the jobs it would create and the drug cartels who would be out of business! Bottom line is that those in the gov’t who are making money clear & free would be SOL (sh*t out of Luck)!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JQSHYDSMCJFGNLQ734P7XXLK7M p

    even when legalized there will remain bootleggers and importers. despite the legal passage of what ‘would have been contraband’ then becoming a monitored and ‘thence protected’ commodity’, there would be outlaws even then. legal pharmaceuticals are as yet marketed on the ‘blackmarket’, even as they are ‘controlled and dispensed’ from pharmacies and doctors venue.

    Hillary is NO dummy, it remains the users and dealers who fail to comprehend the scope of this. (thru their clouded and drug induced brains and greed stricken egos)

  • Anonymous

    America is a joke! Try taking drugs into Malaysia, China, Thailand, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc..they do not mess around in these older civilizations! Any drugs in your suitcase? Oops! I did not know I had over 10 kgs of cocaine in my bags etc…BS, no problem, they will CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF, SHOOT your brains out, hang you etc..these older countries do know how to deal with drug traffickers, drug dealers, corrupt police etc…America is a very, very corrupt country, in public says NO TO DRUGS, behind closed doors these same people are “enjoying” Mexican weed, Colombian cocaine etc…so when America becomes worse than a 3rd world country for not truly being strict about drugs, well you can get the picture right? The older civilizations of the world will be running circles around stoned out people in the USA. PS Just last year China executed about 5 stupid Japanese drug traffickers, the USA should stop messing around with drugs and start mass killings in our prisons etc…of all this scum, you know, like they do in the old countries, that do not mess around, do not put up with drugs, but I know this is only wishful thinking, Hollywood movies, Rap music, Rock music etc..ALL GLORIFY DRUGS, this is just one very quick way to end up in HELL, and I am not talking about the Christian version of hell, but you know like HELL ON THIS EARTH, having your wife and kids leave you, or if your parents are dope heads, your parents pimping you out as a child to get $$$ for their drugs etc..better to pray NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO and clean up your karma before it is TOO LATE!! NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO! NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO! NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LQWQCSF34MOJ5Y7GYVDW2HDAKY none

    she forgot the money made by cops, alcohol/tobacco producers/distributors, private prisons, government funded mandatory “rehab” (aka religious indoctrination), pharmaceutical companies etc et al.

  • Jaime Yarbrough

    As I sent off to my facebook page “And the WOLF removes her sheep costume” I wanted to say so much more. Snide comments about greed and corruption etc. But then another part of me wanted to chime in – it isn’t about the money. It’s about the plant and the huge loss of it’s service both past and future (re: hemp) In the end, I simply had to acknowledge the all too frequent short sightedness of our elected and or appointed members of government. Sad we can’t put them into their respective positions based on their raw intelligence….isn’t it ?

  • Dave

    No that was Bedtime For Bonzo.

  • Dave

    No She made Brownies instead.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UDWHA7HYHWEJRHNAFB2NYWBDAM Ray Darr

    Following your logic: If people want to drive, should we make it illegal? That’s how dumb your “logic” sounds.

  • Anonymous

    geez, Ms. Clinton really IS clueless, isn’t she?

  • Anonymous

    “there is no such thing as “casual use” for all but a few users of “hard” drugs. ”

    But the overall number of people using “hard drugs” (harder than pot/coke as you note) is small compared to even just pot smokers. Add alcohol/caffeine/tobacco and you have a tiny tiny percentage of people “using hard drugs”.

    “It’s very simple people who use drugs on a regular basis are fundamentally unhappy and self medicating and we as a compassionate society owe them a better alternative to live a happy and productive life period end of story.”

    We agree on this. Meaning, if we stop turning hurting people into criminals (legalize drugs) we might actually be able to help them without destroying their lives further.

  • Anonymous

    “Where you born with the authority to tell me (or anyone else what to do or how to live, or that they could vote on something which infringed on anothers right to do a thing?”

    Actually, yes. I have the authority to tell you not to abuse me, and the right to defend myself if you do. Don’t you agree? Isn’t that part of how the “natural law” you keep touting works? So, me and the guy next to me, we decide to agree to a set of rules that the two of us will live by, ways to make sure we don’t injure the other person or their rights. As long as we’re both willing to be subjected to the punishment listed in our document/agreement if we violate the rules, everything is fine. Right?

    Now, along comes a 3rd person. They like the little camp the two of us have, and they want to hang out in our nice little camp. Us two original people tell the newcomer what are rules are and inform them that they have a CHOICE.. agree to our rules and stay, or leave. When that 3rd person chooses to stay, our camp grows, rules are followed, and we’ve all agreed to the framework of how our camp will be run..

    As we grow from 3 to 10 to 100 to 1000, we realize our rule set wasn’t quite comprehensive enough, every now and again someone did something that wasn’t listed/detailed, so we added it to our “book of rules” so everyone knows what is and is not allowed so there is no question later.

    To be as “fair” as we can, whenever we need to make a major decision about the future of our camp, we ask EVERYONE for their input, and we vote on the matter. So, there is your “why do we have a right to vote” answer, it’s the best, most equitable solution to solving certain issues. “But, what if they want to vote to let the chief rape your wife! that’s absurd!” is your question, right? Only.. the core document of our little camp, the basis of our camp in general, is to assure peace and tranquility and personal safety. You don’t get to vote to let the chief rape anyone’s wife.

    And you’re right, as soon as the nuts in the camp decide to do such a thing, the “civil society” is over.. either you choose to leave it and find a camp that doesn’t have a bunch of psychos running it or living there, or you stay in nut-ville and try to get them to vote to let you rape someone’s wife too. That choice is YOURS to make, but it’s your choice. Pretending like the “group” has no right to work together because you don’t like the group is .. I can’t even think of a word that explains the core delusion, core idiocy involved with your ‘thinking’ that chaos is somehow a productive way to exist.

    The United States was one of the first real Democracies that had a well defined set of protections for the individual while also allowing for civil society to flourish. Since that time, oppressed people all over the world, feeling just like you feel (about their kings and dictators having no “right” to make all the rules), have adopted the core principle of Democracy, of a Representative government (when the camp turns into a town then city and has too many people for a direct democracy).

    True, no person born today makes the conscious decision to “be part of the group”, your parents made that choice for you.. just like they made all your choices for you until you were old enough to make your own decisions. .. just think, your parents fed you PEAS at one point, how unfair! you didn’t choose peas! someone chose for you! NOT RIGHT!.. right? Oh.. wait.. now you’re an adult and can make your own choices. So.. here’s your choice. Find out what countries run under what rules and decide which ones you think suit your needs.. them MOVE THERE. Period. That’s the world you live in, and nothing you do can change that over the short term. Period.

    See, the collective from that nice little camp that started with 2 people and turned into a Country 10s of thousands of years later, that “mob” has generally agreed that if you can’t behave, if you can’t follow the rules, they will gladly put you in a cage until you decide to “get along” and “play nice”. Another choice you have, but the choice is yours.

    So there you go. A long detailing of “how it works and what authority it is derived from” with minimal “attacking of the messenger”. I’m expecting the inane rambling and general vitriol to spew in 3…2….1…

  • Anonymous

    6 months for 5 plants? .. we had a guy not long ago end up in the news .. neighbors called the police and said they thought he was a dealer.. They managed to scrape up about 1 joint in shag and resins and sentenced him to 20 years.. 19 suspended (so 1 year in jail for 1 joint), which means any run-ins with the law and he’s off to prison for that remaining 19 years.

    6 months for 5 plants (several pounds, right?) seems not all that crazy since it’s still illegal there.

    And from the documentary, cops let people smoke in public at various rallies (like a 4:20 rally).. don’t think there’s much of that here in the U.S… in fact, they put tons of under cover cops in the crowd at places like Iron Man out in the desert.

  • Anonymous

    You’re missing a key point in their logic. The “logic” is, “if something harms no one then there doesn’t need to be a law prohibiting it”. Rape and murder harm people, hence it violates the assertion being set and is therefore kept illegal.

    And, yes… I think the logic I’ve presented should be applied to everything that is currently considered “illegal”. If you can’t show harm or potential harm to “innocent bystanders”, then you can’t show justification for something being illegal. There is no justification for keeping cannabis illegal. There is justification for keeping rape illegal.

    Anything else?

  • Anonymous

    “the Mafia is still wealthy and invests in legal businesses, while continuing to commit crimes.”

    And multi-national corporation CEOs are doing the same thing. So? It has _nothing_ to do with prohibition other than making it illegal makes it MORE lucrative. And nothing about cutting out some of their money has anything to do with their “other crimes”, those are CRIMES and have nothing to do with prohibition (other than some of those “other crimes” are tied to drugs, because of prohibition).

    “Legalizing drugs wouldn’t get rid of drug gangs, either.”

    Yep, cause there are a lot of alcohol gangs out there.. and tobacco smugglers.

    “It would open the way for thousands more people to destroy their lives and those of others through drugs, just as tens of thousands do with alcohol, now. ”

    You’re missing some key points. Hundreds of thousands of people’s lives are being impacted NOW because of the prohibition.. young people ruining their futures over a harmless plant simply because “daddy says so”. That’s stupid.. You’re also missing a few other points in your attempted fear mongering.. 1 is that people die from alcohol, directly, by overdose. That doesn’t happen with cannabis, period. You’re also ignoring that alcohol shuts down parts of your brain that are needed to stay rational, while cannabis does not. People have a much MUCH higher rate of aggression on alcohol than on cannabis, and many people that use alcohol (because it’s legal) would rather use cannabis to AVOID those negatives.. but they can’t, because cannabis is illegal.

    So, do you want to make alcohol illegal again? Despite the fact that 10s of millions of people drink daily, and only a few hundred a day have “problems”? Do you want to tell 200 million people they can’t drink any more because a few thousand people have a problem? .. because if we take your logic to it’s conclusion, we have to ban cars, too.. 10s of thousands of people die every year from accidents.. right?

    And we don’t care about Mexico, in general. We can’t change their corrupted culture (if you’re asserting that’s their problem), but we can distance ourselves from their drug gangs by removing a huge cash flow of theirs by legalizing cannabis here.. it will be grown here and sold here and the drug lords in Mexico will have to find some other way to get cash to buy off corrupted officials.. We’ll never solve their problems, and we don’t have an obligation to.. but we can undermine their criminal’s ability to use US as a means of facilitating that corruption.

  • Anonymous

    And as I noted above, that’s a fallacy and fear mongering at its best. Cannabis is not some “dangerous and addictive drug”… period.

    Not to mention, “saving the children” has NOTHING to do with “too much money”, which is what she said. Surprise! she said TWO THINGS, un-related, in an attempt to seem like there might be some validity to her position instead of bullshit.

    What the hell do you think happens with “dealers”? They sneak into your house while you’re sleeping and play subliminal tapes getting you to try drugs? No, they stand on a corner and offer alternatives to what you’re looking for when you go to buy illegal drugs. .. do you see clerks at the liqueur store saying “hey, guy.. pssst.. I see you’re buying some beer there.. have you tried whiskey? .. should really try some whiskey, much more bang for the buck!”? .. NO, you don’t.

    Although, you see tobacco companies using cartoon mascots. Flavored cigs.. wonder what that’s about.. /snark

  • Anonymous

    You’re making a guess as to what gangs would do. You’re also suggesting that the lives of all the innocent people that are ruined today by our retarded drug laws aren’t a factor.. and you’re ignoring the fact that if gangs are going to increase their illegal activities in other areas that they are still criminals and can still be prosecuted and jailed.

    Which is better, putting resources into finding and locking up violent criminals who would deprive people of property and lives, or putting resources into putting generally peaceful, decent citizens in prison (leaving no room for the hard criminals)?

    Criminalizing victimless activities creates a criminal market… an _additional_ market, and drains resources needed to protect the populace from becoming victims of real crimes.

  • Anonymous

    “I stated that the legalization of drugs in general would take away profits from violent criminals that would seek other ways to make up for the loss of the majority of their income.”

    And the reality is, without documentation and evidence, this is your OPINION. That’s what Boneman was saying, and you decided to shell out insults in response.

    If you want to support your allegation, your hypothesis, gather some information/facts/data to support it. For example, go look at Portugal and see what happened to their rate of gang related crime after they decriminalized _all_ drugs. Bring up some data from Denmark and their cannabis cafe culture to support a direct increase in other crimes when they passed those laws.

    Without facts, you’re expressing your opinion. And has been established all through human history, no one person’s opinion matters much in the absence of fact.

  • Anonymous

    wtf? drug induced brains? You’re suggesting everyone that supports legalization are drug users? or greedy?

    And yes, there will always be bootleggers.. but how much of a problem is “illegal alcohol” at present? how big of a deal are all the illegal tobacco products? And you do realize we import all kinds of alcohol legally, right?

    What I find amazing is how detached from reality/reason people become when discussing drugs. It appears the brainwashing of the government has set deep with some people.

  • Anonymous

    “so when America becomes worse than a 3rd world country for not truly being strict about drugs, well you can get the picture right?”

    Erm, some of the “best places to live” on the planet have more lax drug laws than the U.S… by contrast, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. are complete shit to live in for the commoners. They chop your head off because they are psychotic religitards.. the same reason they kill homosexuals and stone their women to death.

    Your cheerleading for “old countries” belies your bias, bigotry, ignorance, and lack of respect for human rights.

    “your parents pimping you out as a child to get $$$ for their drugs etc”

    wow.. guess you’re wanting to make sure everyone knows full well that you’re simply massively retarded.

  • Anonymous

    I know it’s just one person’s opinion, but Hillary is a terrible public official. She either has nothing constructive to say or she utters tired and empty platitudes.

  • Anonymous

    Would Hillary just shut the fuck up, please?

  • Guest

    Very nicely said. I appreciate your candor. I get so tired of this idea people have that all because they are speaking in a place where we do not come face to face they feel they can (get away with) relate in such immature ways. It is a phenomenon that tells me there are more bullies in this world than I previously thought. Any way, I appreciate your coming to my rescue. Without your sound response my words would not have addressed his statement as completely as your sober words have. Thank you.

  • Guest

    “What I find amazing is how detached from reality/reason people become when discussing drugs.”

    And not just drugs but many other issues. It’s like people sacrifice reason and temperance for their own beliefs and are hopelessly locked into a belief(s) to the point they would kill or be killed instead of simply using understanding to discover the facts/evidence.

    It is fascinating when you hear how people go off about something and ignore dialogue. Like they can’t admit the Truth or that they were wrong or something, a type of (with all due respect) social retardation. (Now that I say this I do agree that it is brainwashing… the government and PTB make people so stupid they lose their ability to reason and think for themselves)!

    It is hopeful though, having such forums on the internet, to discuss things and recycle these discussions to the point of undeniable Truths/facts and the discovery of reality.

    There are a only a few people I enjoy reading in the RS forums. Since reading how you speak I will keep an eye out for your future, sober, sane posts. Nice meeting you.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, there are NO parallels to be drawn between alcohol and drug prohibition… not the violence, the vast underground network, the wealth created, nothing in common whatsoever.

    The above is what one calls sarcasm.

  • shinyorbs

    oy Hillary…….take foot out of mouth and get it right! Booze used to be illegal, why don’t we make that illegal again? Oh, that’s right because it’s taxed and regulated ! Just like weed should be, geezuz Hill, don’t panic it’s organic!!

  • Anonymous

    Now I’m not a user but this is ruining our country, so let me correct you:

    By that “logic” no one should do anything about anything. What do I mean? Simply that you’re saying that because the solution failes the test of ‘perfection,’ it should not be done.

    Examples:
    * Because you’ll still have people run red lights, you should not have traffic lights.
    * Because you’ll STILL have illegal alcohol stills, you should not bother funding the ATF to enforce regulations on alcohol.

    But lets look on the side of granting liberties:
    * Because some illegal alcohol production may still exist, we should not have ended alcohol prohibition.
    * Because some people will still be racially prejudice, South Africa should not have lifted laws on inter-racial marriage.

    An estimated 80% of the profits that go to those horrifying Mexican drug gangs is from marijuana importing to the US. According to your logic, we should continue granting them the billions and billions of dollars…. why? Because they will still smuggle whatever makes up the other 20% of their profits. Really… that makes sense to you? You really don’t see the dramatic benefit we’d achieve by ending this neurotic fear of cannabis?

    See the view from those in the trenches, from law enforcement at http://www.leap.cc
    And give them a few bucks while you’re at their site because they’re good folks.

  • Anonymous

    “(thru their clouded and drug induced brains and greed stricken egos)”

    Really? Know any broccoli or spinach billionaires?

    So that’s both insulting and ignorant. It’s a fucking plant. How much do you think ANYONE could sell it for if it were legal? Legalization ENDS profits.

    It is illegality–your preferred system–that produces the obscene profits. Take a fucking economics class for God’s sake!

  • Anonymous

    “to get $$$ for their drugs”

    1) Those countries still have drug problems. Those poor souls executed are often simply interfering with the ‘official’ drug trade. It keeps the profits higher for those connected.

    2) Agricultural products are almost literally dirt cheap. It is interdiction that drives addicts to rob houses.

    3) The countries that do that (as someone else pointed out) are your hell holes that deny almost every basic liberty. You can, for example, be jailed or executed for insulting the king or The Prophet in some of those places. For example, gum (chewing gum) is illegal in Singapore (look it up if you don’t believe me). Then you cross the bridge to Malaysia and the first thing you see is guys selling chewing gum out of their car trunk (True… I’ve been there!). Now Singapore is probably one place with super strick drug pentalties that is not a literal “hell hole” but it is a city/state and easy to monitor …. STILL people use illegal drugs there… upper class people who go to the discos along Orchid Road (like Rodeo Drive plus Hotels) until their 5am closing times.

    So? Such a reaction… this based on a true personal story: “pimping you out as a child to get $$$ for their drugs ” ?
    If so, that’s a result of the current system… wouldn’t happen after the end of prohibition.

    Again… get the story not from me but from those experienced in proper law enforcement at http://www.leap.cc

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U2YTH7OFZK4PPEEMYQTTY5BBAQ Daniel

    The actual majority of the prison population in America is drug offenders so this would cut government spending on new, larger prison facilities. It would also create tax revenue so I don’t see how this statement by Hilary could even be considered factual. If you make something legal it instantly becomes cheaper to produce as well, because it can be produces large scale and locally. Anyone with half a brain could see how this has worked in the past, alcohol prohibition, but Al Capone was an American hero right? The errant disregard for logic in our political system is the exact reason I am going to use America for what is best for. Educating the smart and letting them leave, like all the international students in this country getting low cost or free education and then we deny them visa’s to work here after they are done with school.

  • Guest

    “and then we deny them visa’s to work here after they are done with school. ” Bull Shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1072029660 Jenni Allen

    Yeah there’s too much money on it. Dealers are making so much money, legalization would make them go out of business. We wouldn’t be spending as much on failed drug policies, wasted police force and ineffective anti-drug campaigns. Where would all that money go?

  • Anonymous

    Americans hate freedom.
    My hat is off to anyone who executes my senator congressman or governor or you. Bring the war home

  • Anonymous

    It IS a dangerous addictive drug. It is a lot stronger than any drug I’ve tried, unless you’ve done something much, much stronger than the stepped on cocaine (like a few drops o 10% cocaine used for eye surgery, for example, that floored me) and the stepped on speed that is prevalent out there. That stuff is bogus.
    You must be thinking about the pot that was available in the late sixties, where a newbie had to smoke another joint all by himself to figure out if he felt something or not.

  • Guest

    First of all. Are you talking about cannabis. I can’t tell what you’re talking of. And secondly cannabis in the 60′s was great! Apparently you had someone selling you rag weed.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the pot of the late 60′s and early 70′s was righteous. I remember, couldn’t think of what to write, then having a couple of light puffs, then doing a creative term paper in graduate school in History and Theories of Psychology and getting an A+ on it, at San Francisco State, in ’73. The first time I got stoned, however, the stuff was doped with psylocybin, and I practically freaked out. And so did everyone else when some one yelled up into the attic stairwell of my hippie girlfrineds apt. “Yah bunch of heads!” And everyone thought he’d said “It’s the Fed’s” and threw the shit out the third floor window into the snow. (I’m sitting in a chair, speechless and paralyzed, thinking about being taken away in handcuffs, after my first ‘pot’ experience. This was in New Brunswick, during my last year at Rutgers, in ’68, the year of the “Graduate”. You remember the sixties? Were you there? Anyway, a friend of mine that lives on a sailboat, I smoked some shit with him in a little pipe and 10 minutes later, I couldn’t stand up without my head spinning and lying down, feeling nauseous. Later, I went to an ‘after the race party’ at a Yacht Club (Marina del Rey) and I had to keep catching myself, nearly fell over on others and knocked over their drinks…bad scene. You see, I made a deal with the devil, on my 50th birthday, and God himself (yeah they are brothers), that I’d buy a sailboat out of the Recycler, and quit smoking. I’d gotten to the point where I couldn’t function anymore, I’d put a 2″, 10 long piece of PVC down (solar work) in the backyard of my customer, then spend the next 20 minutes wandering around, looking for it. Or, set off to go for work, and end up driving in the wrong direction, almost as bad as those idiots yacking away on their cell phones. Can you imagine them doing that, and stoned on some strong super genetically modified weed? Yikes!!

  • Anonymous

    Or, you could take 3 sq. ft. in your bedroom, a 100 watt bulb, some righteous seeds, some juice cans, Supersoil and oxygenated potting fertilizer, and stay stoned for eternity for about $15 month in electricity (cost of running that light). How much do you think that stuff Phillip Morris would cost. Anyway, that’s why I quit, wasn’t the cost, availability, just, I couldn’t remember anything or function anymore.

  • Anonymous

    I wish, but, is so. You think they’ll start growing corn, towing a plow behind a burro? How are they going to compete with U.S. factory farms, thanks to NAFTA?

  • Anonymous

    MMMM. Kona.

  • Guest

    Yeah, you gotta stop at some point or trade in your memory. I caught the tail end of the sixties. No other decade can claim so many loyalists (I mean how many can speak of any other decade with such pride). Truly a time of heroes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ULIMQFGJEXUMVXF4GXXEDDNKQ Rob

    whites don’t go to jail? tell that to all my friends in the joint who are white….it’s not about race….it’s about money….i wish we could just quit dividing ourselves along racial lines…divide and conquer, anyone?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ULIMQFGJEXUMVXF4GXXEDDNKQ Rob

    dammit people, there is no difference between the two parties!!!!!! it’s like the nfl ,you have the afc and the nfc, but they are all still football players….

  • Anonymous

    @hauksdottir:
    We are well on our way to becoming a banana republic if the US keeps printing money and going into even more debt.

  • ronnie_reeferseed

    Stop the killing worldwide with absolute freedom for farmers here at home. We will demonstrate true leadership by example! We can employ millions to help conserve topsoil by helping to feed our future with an explosion in organic gardening, while taking money away from organized-crime thugs! US Secretary of State Mz. Felony Hogwash Clintraitor proved her evil desires by spewing nonsense about legalizing absolute freedom for farmers.

  • Anonymous

    What Secretary of State Clinton failed to mention was “too much money in it” for whom, Uncle Sam? Meanwhile American taxpayers are paying $40k a year to “warehouse” NON-VIOLENT, LOW-LEVEL drug dealers while these parasites (oligarchs) operate with impunity. Suckers!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NVVND23WX6EZPHKCUF442UGAVA Chris

    Palin = Puppetretardeskimotrash

  • Anonymous

    That too.

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