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Torture complaints hit Bush on ninth anniversary of key decision

By Stephen C. Webster
Monday, February 7, 2011 9:56 EDT
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Nine years ago today, the Bush administration decided that international law does not apply to prisoners of war. It was a watershed moment in US history, resulting in a policy of torture that pervaded and darkened the Bush years, and inflamed anti-American sentiment abroad.

To mark that grim anniversary, two men who claim to have been victims of torture filed official complaints in Geneva, Switzerland, seeking a ruling on universal jurisdiction.

If the court sides with their complaints, US President George W. Bush likely would not face arrest; he would not, however, enjoy free travel around the world.

That was evidenced over the weekend, when the media speculated on why the former president canceled a trip to Switzerland. Bush was to be the keynote speaker at Keren Hayesod’s annual dinner on February 12 in Geneva.

While Swiss officials said that Bush would still enjoy a certain diplomatic immunity as a former head of state, the local political climate posed a greater threat of repeating the riots Geneva saw during the G8 summit in Evian.

The complaints, officially lodged Monday, ask the General Prosecutor of the Canton of Geneva to investigate evidence of a torture policy within the Bush administration.

Numerous administration officials, including President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have personally admitted to ordering or carrying out the torture of prisoners, with “harsh interrogation tactics” such as simulated drowning, beatings, sleep deprivation, sensory deprecation, drugging, sexual humiliation and other forms of physical and psychological torture. And it wasn’t just government employees: private contractors were accused as well.

“Waterboarding is torture, and Bush has admitted, without any sign of remorse, that he approved its use,” Katherine Gallagher, an attorney with the US-based nonprofit Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a media advisory. “The reach of the Convention Against Torture is wide – this case is prepared and will be waiting for him wherever he travels next. Torturers – even if they are former presidents of the United States – must be held to account and prosecuted. Impunity for Bush must end.”

The World Organization against Torture has said that Switzerland is obliged under both domestic and international law to open an inquiry for acts of torture against any individual on its territory complicit in such crimes.

“There are no laws that provide an exception for former head of states,” it said in a statement Thursday.

Gavin Sullivan, a program manager with the Berlin-based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights, put it even more simply: “Bush is a torturer and deserves to be remembered as such. He bears ultimate responsibility for authorizing the torture of thousands of individuals at places like Guantánamo and secret CIA ‘black sites’ around the world. As all states are obliged to prosecute such torturers, Bush has good reason to be very worried.”

Read the complete “preliminary indictment for torture” of George W. Bush online, here (PDF).

This video is from Democracy Now, broadcast Friday, Jan. 7, 2011.

Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster is the senior editor of Raw Story, and is based out of Austin, Texas. He previously worked as the associate editor of The Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, where he covered state politics and the peace movement’s resurgence at the start of the Iraq war. Webster has also contributed to publications such as True/Slant, Austin Monthly, The Dallas Business Journal, The Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Weekly, The News Connection and others. Follow him on Twitter at @StephenCWebster.
 
 
 
 
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  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    And now here is the news. Evil rich fucks own the world, they kill and torture people and get away scot free. Thanks for listening. Good night.

  • Anonymous

    Nice to think this could happen, but I’m a realist and arrest isn’t going to happen to W. He’ll just stay home – he doesn’t like to travel anyway. If by some chance he was arrested, US prestige would plummet as other countries would look at us and say, “Hey, why haven’t you people arrested this criminal already? Why are you leaving the prosecution of a torturer to other countries?” And they would be correct.

  • Anonymous

    Why would someone invite this fucker to dinner in the first place, unless they are also part of the evil Bu$h Crime Family?

    You make us sooo proud $hrub Boy. Daddy’s Little War Criminal. First, the Kennedy’s and MLKJ, then the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Valentine/1277133078 Michael Valentine

    I guess they aren’t forward looking …. or a President of the United States.

    Can the job of POTUS be done without being a war criminal?

  • Guest

    As was mentioned in another article, “Former President George “W” Bush has been forced to cancel a highly paid speaking engagement to an Israeli group in Switzerland. Bush was going to be arrested as a war criminal.” I guess Israel is the only country he can travel to now without risking arrest.

    Doesn’t it just make you proud to be an American when foreign governments have to go after American war criminals (and, do a real evidence-based investigation of 9/11) because our own department of “justice” won’t do its job?

    Oh, by the way, you certainly didn’t see anything about this in the NYT.

  • Lincoln Paradox

    Not if you’re Republican.

    Let’s look at the examples: Nixon (yep), Ford (maybe he’s an exemption, but he was never elected), Reagan (ho boy, yes), Bush 41 (not as much as W, but yes), Bush 43 (like Ford, he wasn’t elected either, but he was a war criminal).

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t a crime because he ordered his White House Counsel to write him an opinion saying it was legal. He probably already pardoned himself as well and has that ready in a safe deposit box.
    It’s probably prudent to stay away from Switzerland though because even if they don’t arrest him the riots and demonstrations would cast a shadow on his already shameful disgusting putrid legacy.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KXMM5MVAYZHUSPNY3W7Y57F2QI Laszlo

    I’d like to see the rest of the world make it impossible for any of these ghouls to leave the country. Most of them have no desire to anyway, but the restriction will be a continual source of embarrassment. Not as good as a trial, but a repeated reminder that they are war criminals in the eyes of most of the world.

  • Shawn Rosvold

    If you’re Republican and you invade countries for no reason then you probably don’t care if you’re a war criminal or not. Obama is also a war criminal because he has not put a stop to these practices. So, anybody can be a war criminal if they want to be.

  • Anonymous

    To celebrate his anniversary I say we all pitch in and and buy him a ticket to the Hague. But maybe someone could torture him first so he’ll give up everything on The Dick. I prefer subtle torture… Anyone have a rolling pin that can be rolled on his thighs for about 3 hours?

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    We also “decided” that international law didn’t apply to the USA government…. either. Kinda makes us all “international outlaws”……. Niiiiiiiice.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Yes…. just not likely at this point.

  • enorceht

    if you keep scratching away at the keystone the arch will fall

  • Guest

    “Evil rich fucks own the world…”
    Um…that’s not “news”. Good night and good luck….

  • Anonymous

    What ever happened to treason? Remember when these ass holes were hanged for treason?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Bush does not care about anything. He is too powerful and completely untouchable by any law. When you are of his class, you do whatever you feel like doing. He knows Obama will protect him.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    If anyone thinks being restricted to the United States and Mexico would concern W then they have forgotten that he had NEVER left North America prior to becoming the leader of the free world.

    No he’ll be content with attending the Super Bowl and World Series every year and prattling around the country to speak to sycophantic audiences to assuage them of their guilt at neglecting their fellow man.

    Unless AG Holder opens an investigation he will be a RICH free man in the chaos he helped create for many, many years.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s review the legacy of George W. Bush (and the right):

    Ignoring Pre-9/11 Terror Memo from the CIA entitled, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US” just weeks before 9/11. He was too busy spending a holiday at his ranch in Crawford, Texas to be bothered.

    Shortly after 9/11, Bush authorized warrant-less wiretapping of telephone calls for “national security”. Eavesdropping topped the list of his reprehensible acts but Bush contended that it helped keep America safe

    By declaring that the Geneva Convention did not apply to “enemy combatants,” Bush led the way to water boarding, attack dogs, and other draconian interrogation tactics that will forever be associated with his presidency.

    When the UN Security Council could not come to an agreement over the proposed invasion of Iraq, Bush impatiently led a “coalition of the willing” into the country. This decision is still considered by the UN to be illegal.

    By insisting there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, Bush aimed to strengthen his case for war by linking the perpetrators of 9/11 to Saddam Hussein. There is no evidence supporting his claim.

    Bush’s bombastic declaration of victory in Iraq (Mission Accomplished) while aboard an aircraft carrier in May 2003 was premature to say the least: the vast majority of war casualties have occurred since the unfurling of the “mission accomplished” banner.

    After 9/11, Bush stated his primary goal was to capture al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Many years later, Osama bil Laden is still a free.

    Like a contractor’s ever-inflating estimates of a home renovation, Mr Bush’s original $50-$60 billion price tag on the Iraq war sounds like a steal now. The current cost is closer to $3 trillion+.

    Many US troops lacked proper armor for the challenges in Iraq. Families turned to eBay to purchase protective gear for their sons and daughters stationed in the Middle East.

    Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old employer, received a large reconstruction contract in Iraq shortly after the onset of the war. This represented a profound conflict of interest. Charges of corruption and incompetence have been made.

    Hurricane Katrina hit towards the end of a long summer holiday for Bush. His immediate response was to view the damage from five miles high through the window of Air Force One on his way back to Washington.
    Bush declared a state of emergency for parts of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. Not included on that list were the coastal areas of Louisiana, including New Orleans, the city hit hardest by Katrina.

    Though he failed to facilitate proper aid to the stranded victims of Hurricane Katrina, Bush told Mike Brown, his appointee to head FEMA, “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.”

    In 2001, Bush refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol, a treaty that requires participating countries to lower their greenhouse gas emissions. He cited its effect on the economy. And of course, many years later, we can see what a great job he did overseeing the economy.

    One of Bush’s earliest decisions was to restrict the research of embryonic stem cells. These studies have shown tremendous results in lab rats (such as reversing the course of Parkinson’s in the rodents).

    Bush appointed an old Texan friend Alberto Gonzales as his Attorney General after the resignation of John Ashcroft. Gonzales oversaw questionable US attorney dismissals and the NSA’s warrant-less wiretapping before resigning. Along with Mike Brown, Gonzales is yet another example of Bush’s penchant for surrounding himself with “yes men” rather than qualified individuals.

    So, how is it that Republicans were re-elected in a majority in the House?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    No need to resort to physical torture.

    All one would need to torture W would be to actually read the Daily Presidential Breifing of August 6th2001 titled “Bin Laden determined to stike the US” over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over!

  • Anonymous

    Me thinks the current cost of the Iraq occupation is well over $600 billion.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    The O man is not a War Criminal because of the continuation of the Iraq or Afghanistan wars, he IS a War Criminal for his expanded use of Assignation Drone attacks without concern for the safety of the hundreds of innocent civilians that have been MURDERED during these attacks!

  • Anonymous

    What ever happened to treason?
    It went the way of equal justice under the law.
    The ruling class is exempt from the laws the rest of us must abide by.

    Yes, there was a time in America Dumbya and many of his regime would have been hanged for treason years ago.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    You just have to live long enough to see it!

  • Anonymous

    Well its getting harder and harder to masterbate over the same old vidios

  • Anonymous

    Funny how the world wants the bush adm. held accountable, but the Obama adm. doesn’t want to look backwards. Of course, Obama refusing do do anything to bush and carrying on many of bush’s policies means he is now culpable. Timing is everything Obama. You should have turned all of the criminals over to the Hague and changed the course of this country……it’s too late for you now, maybe the next President will do whats right.

  • Anonymous

    You’re absolutely right…my bad….it is $3 trillion +.

  • Anonymous

    Treason charges are reserved for anti-war protesters.

  • Anonymous

    In the new Republican world, perception is reality, and you make up your own reality as you go.

    A total lack of reflection, self-criticism, or questioning is rampant in today’s Republican Party, just as it was in Bush and his administration. The results are clear – during the eight year reign of Bush, Rumsfeld, and others, we ended up in a war we’ve never had the decency to right, failed to capture or kill the terrorist who masterminded the 9/11 attacks, and implemented torture as an acceptable interrogation technique. Bush and the right drove our economy into a devastatingly huge hole, in order to wipe out the middle class and then blamed Obama for the long range consequences.

    Over the past two years, the right continues the same destructive political game of pretending that all their decisions were correct or that someone else is to blame when they prove to be wrong. You can see this same attitude reflected in most of the blog posts by right supporters. (This is the real trickle down theory
    the right is so fond of talking about).

    What does the right have in mind for the future? They’ve been working for years to incite violence in unstable people through vile rhetoric and a show of guns at rallies, to make people afraid of things that are completely manufactured…and by suggesting that they’re within their rights to take back the country.
    The right has been conditioning people to think that It’s perfectly ok to direct their fear and rage toward those currently defined (by them) as evil or unacceptable or a Nazi. Keep riling vulnerable, unstable people long enough and you drive them to become murderers.

    Look at the ramped up rhetoric spewed over the years by Glen Beck, Palin and their ilk and the shooting of Rep.Gabrielle Giffords & killing of six people in Arizona. Yet, Beck, Palin and the right very quickly made fun of or completely denied that their hate speech may have had anything to do with this massacre,

    Have the Tucson shootings changed anything? Beck has become even more crazed and, if anything, and seems to be going even further off the deep end. He continues to ratchet it up.

  • Anonymous

    Note to would-be protesters everywhere: don’t do it like the Swiss. Don’t telegraph your moves. In fact, stay home, and let your authorities handle it. In fact, instead of protesting, pretend to be some ultra conservative group inviting your heroes to a lavish all-expenses paid fete where honors will be showered upon them.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    I’m not so sure W canceled,he’s to arrogant to cancel. Maybe Keren Hayesod Zionist Org. uninvited him. The Jewish Zionists are starting to move away from the American Zionists as the world grows with unrest we may be seeing the re-uniting of the Abrahamic Brotherhood of Muslim and Jew uniting to become a dominant world power as our power tanks. Israel would do well to broker their own peace without the so-called Righteous Thugs after all, the unrest in in their backyard not ours.

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t sure of the amount? But that sounds more like it.
    Good post, it goes through the time line pretty well. What a disgusting little man Dumbya is.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and anyone that gets in the way of corporate greed.

  • ghostof911

    That report was written by agents who weren’t in the loop who were picking up signals of that the Cheney/Rumsfeld mob was planning. On August 6 W was well aware of what was being planned, which is why he couldn’t be bothered with the report the agents were naively presenting to him.

  • Anonymous

    Switzerlands loss is the Carribeans gain. This means that the Bush Clan will be transfering its’ off shore, hidden hoard of ill gotten gains from Swiss numbered accounts to the Grand Caymans.

  • Anonymous

    The EU, European Court of Human Rights, and various and sundry national courts have run away from this entire issue . . .

    due to the fact that so many countries and political officials thereof would be named as co-defendants in any such cases.

  • Anonymous

    “Nine years ago today, the Bush administration decided that international law does not apply to prisoners of war.”

    Actually, what the Bush administration decided was to simply strip their POWs of POW status and label them “enemy combatants,” operating on the absurd theory that this relabeling would somehow make international legal protections inapplicable. Such nonsense, of course, could never stand up in any honest international criminal court proceeding — Bush and Blair are war criminals and the whole world knows it.

  • ghostof911

    It is too late for Obama, he already has a swimming pool of blood on his hands It is conceivable that he will face the same international travel restrictions as W before he leaves office.

  • ghostof911

    So, how is it that Republicans were re-elected in a majority in the House?

    They weren’t elected. The nonverifiable electronic voting systems provided by Republican Party-affiliated manufacturers simply punched in vote counts that gave Republican candidates winning margins. Thanks to non-existent paper trails, the true voter intents will never be know.

    Democracy with one man, one vote is a joke until Americans demand voting systems that can be verified.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    and the rest of the world needs to send them invites to every high powered dinner with a note” sorry your sorry ass can’t be here.”

  • Anonymous

    I’ve become convinced that the Nuremberg Trials might not occur in today’s worldwide political climate.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    sorry but when GW was still gov. of Texas he made his maiden voyage to the Western Wall in Israel where he was interviewed by Perry Stone who had heard the audible voice of G-d a few weeks before say ” Perry,I want the governor of Texas to be the next president of the USA” and low and behold G-d united them at the Holy Spot caught on tape by TBN.

  • ghostof911

    Indeed. Look out below!

  • Anonymous

    This just shows in today’s world ,, these Global Empires control most organizations and nations around the world.
    Citizens of U.S. and other countries no longer enjoy their freedom and democracy they once had or supposedly HAD>
    Why is the U.S. helping and still tracking down Germany war criminals if this no longer apply to U.S.
    We have to remember that Bush’s grandfather Preston gave financial aid to Germany during Hitters’ rule. So he and others must have enjoyed certain diplomatic immunity.

    “”"If Swiss officials said that Bush would still enjoy a certain diplomatic immunity as a former head of state.”"”"

    So why did Swiss officials not let the Germany officials enjoy certain diplomatic immunity.

    If these countries are not scratching each others’ back then why has the Swiss Government attacked Assange on sex charges after the U.S. most likely ask for their aid.

    Again I will repeat …
    Bush’s U.S. attorney-general Mikasey stated…
    All crimes are not crimes to be prosecuted….
    And this does not include You Or Me..

  • gypski®

    Bring that complete evil group to justice. That is all that need be requested.

  • Anonymous

    I see a flock of chickens circling rapidly. Looking, I think, for places to roost.

    Man, this makes me so damn happy. I lived ten years to see this day. I think I want to live long enough to see that smirking face behind bars, along with the other torturer, the puppet-master Dick.

  • Anonymous

    Remember that the Nuremberg Trials occured after six devastating years of a worldwide war that resulted in the deaths of some 30 million people or more. Georgeya was careful to limit his damage to a few small countries that most rich and powerful people know nothing, and care nothing, about. Of course, the damage to the US is never laid at Georgie’s feet, in fact it seems far more important to blame President Obama for not miraculously snapping his fingers and throwing the dumb schmuck in the slammer.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, right. I’m sure.

  • Anonymous

    Several things have changed, actually, although it will take some time for them to show up on the larger horizon. Yes, Beck is going off the deep end. But for at least a year now, Murdoch has been paying to keep Beck on the air. There was a time when Beck brought in a lot of money. But his audience has been dropping consistently to the point where he has no (zero, zilch, nada, none) advertisers in the UK; only a couple of advertisers in the US; he’s been dropped by the big conservative stations that used to carry his show in NY and PA; and over the past six months, I believe he’s lost half a million viewers (Eric Boehler gives the actual figures somewhere). One of his high-profile advertisers is being investigated in connection with possible crimes. So that might be why he’s going off the deep end. He’s pretty much talking to himself, now, and Murdoch knows it. It’s just a matter of time till the sword of Damocles does its work.

  • Anonymous

    And if he had spent valuable time and energy in pursuing Bushco instead of putting all his energy into averting the looming fiscal crisis, we’d be sitting around in a much worse Depression now complaining about how President Obama took his eye off the ball. People have such short memories! In October of 2008, everybody was in a major state of panic about the fiscal crisis. Why, McCain even cut short his campaign and flew to Washington to “fix” it. People don’t realize that if you’re going to accuse someone of crimes, you’d better have your evidence lined up and ready to go, or they’re going to destroy and dispose of what’s left of it before you ever get a conviction. And if you don’t get a conviction, then you’ve lost millions of dollars and work hours down the drain while your target walks away cleared of all charges. Wouldn’t that have been lovely? To have taken action which ended up exonerating these war criminals and leaving them free? Does anybody have a clue how long criminal investigations take? There’s a reason why murder cases don’t come to trial immediately after the murder. And we’re talking about a million murders here. So, yes, unless someone actually affected by Bush’s policies files suit, it takes years for a prosecuting entity to amass sufficient evidence to bring such a case to trial. And if not carefully and scrupulously handled, much could be lost and very little gained. You will note that, in the Swiss case, the complainants were people who alleged that they had been tortured, which gives them the standing required to bring suit.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your superb and detailed listing of Bush’s failings. However, in answer to your last question, I am willing to bet good money that if you walked out on to the street right now with that list in your hand you wouldn’t find more than two or three people out of a hundred or more who knew more than one item on that list. So, that’s how.

  • Anonymous

    Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes have estimated the current cost at $3 TRILLION and growing. Much of the “cost containment” that kept the figure at such a low level has been effected on the backs of our vets. It’s well-known (and documented) that many soldiers suffering from PTSD and mental and emotional distress were sent back into battle repeatedly under the newly-enacted stop-loss policies that allowed Bush to avoid a draft of the children of the wealthy and well-connected. Suicide rates in the military have been outrageously high and climbing, and our military is shamefully over-represented among the homeless and struggling. So, yes, well over any mere billions.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KXMM5MVAYZHUSPNY3W7Y57F2QI Laszlo

    Yes, absolutely. Make them have to decline invite after invite, including juicy golf excursions and big money speech opportunities.

  • Guest

    Don’t stop with only torture complaints, how about starting an illegal war, its time to shove this idiot’s arrogance, greed, and stupidity right back up his ………, dubya is nothing more than a common criminal and that’s why the fascist corporate world (aka koch brothers) chose him to represent them in 2000 to begin with, starting out with a $100,000,000.00 war chest. You don’t give that much money and not expect a return, and for someone as stupid as dubya and ruthless as his sidekick dick, that meant a world without rules and laws applying to them, only everybody else, criminals! All of them! Time to relevel the playing field. If only barry and holder had a set of balls to deal with this here, shameful, just shameful!”Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” – Martin Luther King Jr

  • Anonymous

    To the victor go the spoils is another way of looking at it.

    I’m not equating Bush’s reign of murder and the ongoing ripple effects in order to try to invoke Godwin; in the matter of scope and tragedy there simply *is* no comparison. My point is this: Let’s say whoever is behind the invasion of the Mid East succeeds in another ten or twenty years or so and the US is somehow able to claim a strong direct hand in every puppet government(s) of the region. By spreading it out over time, by encouraging genocide between groups that previously were in a rough balance, by direct invasion or manipulated uprisings, we (the US and whoever actually owns us or is behind what’s going on) will have taken over control of a vast and important region based not on protecting human rights but personal greed for power. In other words, just because Bush is done does not mean that the effort has ended nor the goal he was working toward has been reached.

  • Anonymous

    Other countries will join in and block the War Criminal from ever going out of the USA for fear of arrest for the War Crimes he committed. No wonder GW said he is no longer in politics nor will he campaign for any candidate. Yes George W. is living hell and his company are those he had killed and tortured. The face of Pat Tillman will always be part of him as will the faces of the woman/children he had tortured.

  • theoldhippy

    Let’s try to put aside all thoughts of “justice” because that’s a paid for commodity. After all, what was the last law passed and ratified “by the people”. So that avenue is lost.

    When I first heard of “enhanced interrogations” I said WAR CRIME. And millions of other Americans said the same thing to themselves. I have in the past in comments posted on this site asked one simple question. “Just who do you call to have the GOVERNMENT of the US arrested for War Crimes.” So far no one has answered my request.

    But aside from all those “legalities”, let us consider the absolute morality involved. For the religious leaders of the US to allow torture to occur was another sanction that allowed the Bush’s breaking the law of the land and the law of their “Holy Books”. Those leaders are just as guilty of torture as Bush.

    England is now applying the term to some of it’s past leaders. We are just as guilty as Bush if we fail to investigate and punish. And Obama must also face an inquiry into his failure to push forward the investigation of credible War Crime charges.

    And I’m still waiting for a reply about how a citizen can cause the President of the United States to be arrested on any crime except for getting a blow job.

  • Anonymous

    When Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rummy and friends smile… The whole world frowns…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    you won’t. nobody is going to lock up bush or cheney, rumsfeld or rice. they will get a pass, because no one wants to be on the wrong side of the u.s. obama will pardon him if it comes to that, he won’t go to ‘unfriendly’ countries, and no one want their aid and trade to end. this is going nowhere. bush will live out his days on the ranch, speaking to conservative groups for $60k a pop, and we will continue to jail non violent drug offenders.

    i hope and pray i’m wrong, but if johnson, who lied about the gulf of tonkin, nixon, who bombed cambodia, reagan, who traded guns for hostages and illegally bombed nicaragua, all died of old age, so will shrub.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    The sex-crime charges against Assange are in Sweden, not Switzerland. His Swiss bank account was closed, though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    nurenberg happened because germany lost. period. the u.s. is in a far different position than post wwII germany. it is the largest consumer of other countries crap, and has an insanely huge military. this is going nowhere.

  • Anonymous

    I know after 8 years of bush people aren’t used to a President who can walk and chew gum at the same time, but Obama can. Obama himself wouldn’t be the prosecutor so I’m sure he could have managed it. As far as evidence? are you kidding? The bush adm realized they would never be held accountable for their crimes. In fact, they were all so cocky they even wrote and admitted to their crimes in their books! Att Gen. could have plenty of evidence and witnesses to get justice. They chose not to because they had no desire to change bush’s policies. If Obama’s people had done their duty right away the world would have rejoiced!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    good idea, which leads me believe, maybe they telegraphed it for a reason. give a warning and avoid putting the government in an uncomfortable situation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    all he had to do was appoint a special prosecutor and walk away from it.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone should send a 10 dollar + donation to CCR – the Center for Constitutional Rights.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FG6273Z32MX72SPYHZVJNGGO4 Anonymous

    Bush is a torturer and a murderer. He deserves to be excoriated by all civilized societies.

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding? The very serious statement of “george we are going to arrest you” would have him curled in a fetal position crying for his nanny! [I would say mother, but for some reason I think she might be willing to torture someone, even her son, right along with cheney].

  • Anonymous

    I agree… except I think he’d cry for nanny instead of mother because that scary cnut likely never gave an ounce of love or compassion in her life. She’s the cause of his sociopathy.

  • Anonymous

    How was the superbowl asshole???!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA… hope you love America as much as you say, with any luck you’ll be arrested if you EVER leave….. and its a long shot but maybe even if you stay… your days are numbered mother fucker!

  • Anonymous

    ==========================================================
    http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X
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    The Legal Framework for the Prosecution

    That the king can do no wrong is a necessary and fundamental principle of the English constitution. -Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765

    No living Homo sapiens is above the law. -(Notwithstanding our good friends and legal ancestors across the water, this is a fact that requires no citation.)

    With respect to the position I take about the crimes of George Bush, I want to state at the outset that my motivation is not political. Although I’ve been a longtime Democrat (primarily because, unless there is some very compelling reason to be otherwise, I am always for “the little guy”), my political orientation is not rigid. For instance, I supported John McCain’s run for the presidency in 2000. More to the point, whether I’m giving a final summation to the jury or writing one of my true crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. Therefore, my only master and my only mistress are the facts and objectivity. I have no others. This is why I can give you, the reader, a 100 percent guarantee that if a Democratic president had done what Bush did, I would be writing the same, identical piece you are about to read.

    Perhaps the most amazing thing to me about the belief of many that George Bush lied to the American public in starting his war with Iraq is that the liberal columnists who have accused him of doing this merely make this point, and then go on to the next paragraph in their columns. Only very infrequently does a columnist add that because of it Bush should be impeached. If the charges are true, of course Bush should have been impeached, convicted, and removed from office. That’s almost too self-evident to state. But he deserves much more than impeachment. I mean, in America, we apparently impeach presidents for having consensual sex outside of marriage and trying to cover it up. If we impeach presidents for that, then if the president takes the country to war on a lie where thousands of American soldiers die horrible, violent deaths and over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, even babies are killed, the punishment obviously has to be much, much more severe. That’s just common sense. If Bush were impeached, convicted in the Senate, and removed from office, he’d still be a free man, still be able to wake up in the morning with his cup of coffee and freshly squeezed orange juice and read the morning paper, still travel widely and lead a life of privilege, still belong to his country club and get standing ovations whenever he chose to speak to the Republican faithful. This, for being responsible for over 100,000 horrible deaths?* For anyone interested in true justice, impeachment alone would be a joke for what Bush did.

    Let’s look at the way some of the leading liberal lights (and, of course, the rest of the entire nation with the exception of those few recommending impeachment) have treated the issue of punishment for Bush’s cardinal sins. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote about “the false selling of the Iraq War. We were railroaded into an unnecessary war.” Fine, I agree. Now what? Krugman just goes on to the next paragraph. But if Bush falsely railroaded the nation into a war where over 100,000 people died, including 4,000 American soldiers, how can you go on to the next paragraph as if you had been writing that Bush spent the weekend at Camp David with his wife? For doing what Krugman believes Bush did, doesn’t Bush have to be punished commensurately in some way? Are there no consequences for committing a crime of colossal proportions?

    Al Franken on the David Letterman show said, “Bush lied to us to take us to war” and quickly went on to another subject, as if he was saying “Bush lied to us in his budget.”

    Senator Edward Kennedy, condemning Bush, said that “Bush’s distortions misled Congress in its war vote” and “No President of the United States should employ distortion of truth to take the nation to war.” But, Senator Kennedy, if a president does this, as you believe Bush did, then what? Remember, Clinton was impeached for allegedly trying to cover up a consensual sexual affair. What do you recommend for Bush for being responsible for more than 100,000 deaths? Nothing? He shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions? If one were to listen to you talk, that is the only conclusion one could come to. But why, Senator Kennedy, do you, like everyone else, want to give Bush this complete free ride?

    The New York Times, in a June 17, 2004, editorial, said that in selling this nation on the war in Iraq, “the Bush administration convinced a substantial majority of Americans before the war that Saddam Hussein was somehow linked to 9/ 11, . . . inexcusably selling the false Iraq-Al Qaeda claim to Americans.” But gentlemen, if this is so, then what? The New York Times didn’t say, just going on, like everyone else, to the next paragraph, talking about something else.

    In a November 15, 2005, editorial, the New York Times said that “the president and his top advisers . . . did not allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It’s obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein’s weapons and his terrorist connections.” But if it’s “obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans” in taking them to a war that tens of thousands of people have paid for with their lives, now what? No punishment? If not, under what theory? Again, you’re just going to go on to the next paragraph?

    I’m not going to go on to the next unrelated paragraph.

    In early December of 2005, a New York Times-CBS nationwide poll showed that the majority of Americans believed Bush “intentionally misled” the nation to promote a war in Iraq. A December 11, 2005, article in the Los Angeles Times, after citing this national poll, went on to say that because so many Americans believed this, it might be difficult for Bush to get the continuing support of Americans for the war. In other words, the fact that most Americans believed Bush had deliberately misled them into war was of no consequence in and of itself. Its only consequence was that it might hurt his efforts to get support for the war thereafter. So the article was reporting on the effect of the poll findings as if it was reporting on the popularity, or lack thereof, of Bush’s position on global warming or immigration. Didn’t the author of the article know that Bush taking the nation to war on a lie (if such be the case) is the equivalent of saying he is responsible for well over 100,000 deaths? One would never know this by reading the article.

    If Bush, in fact, intentionally misled this nation into war, what is the proper punishment for him? Since many Americans routinely want criminal defendants to be executed for murdering only one person, if we weren’t speaking of the president of the United States as the defendant here, to discuss anything less than the death penalty for someone responsible for over 100,000 deaths would on its face seem ludicrous.** But we are dealing with the president of the United States here.

    On the other hand, the intensity of rage against Bush in America has been such (it never came remotely this close with Clinton because, at bottom, there was nothing of any real substance to have any serious rage against him for) that if I heard it once I heard it ten times that “someone should put a bullet in his head.” That, fortunately, is just loose talk, and even more fortunately not the way we do things in America. In any event, if an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, one of their options being the imposition of the death penalty.

    Although I have never heard before what I am suggesting — that Bush be prosecuted for murder in an American courtroom — many have argued that “Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes” (mostly for the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo) at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands. But for all intents and purposes this cannot be done.

    *Even assuming, at this point, that Bush is criminally responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people in the Iraq war, under federal law he could only be prosecuted for the deaths of the 4,000 American soldiers killed in the war. No American court would have jurisdiction to prosecute him for the one hundred and some thousand Iraqi deaths since these victims not only were not Americans, but they were killed in a foreign nation, Iraq. Despite their nationality, if they had been killed here in the States, there would of course be jurisdiction.

    **Indeed, Bush himself, ironically, would be the last person who would quarrel with the proposition that being guilty of mass murder (even one murder, by his lights) calls for the death penalty as opposed to life imprisonment. As governor of Texas, Bush had the highest execution rate of any governor in American history: He was a very strong proponent of the death penalty who even laughingly mocked a condemned young woman who begged him to spare her life (“Please don’t kill me,” Bush mimicked her in a magazine interview with journalist Tucker Carlson), and even refused to commute the sentence of death down to life imprisonment for a young man who was mentally retarded (although as president he set aside the entire prison sentence of his friend Lewis “Scooter” Libby), and had a broad smile on his face when he announced in his second presidential debate with Al Gore that his state, Texas, was about to execute three convicted murderers.

    In Bush’s two terms as Texas governor, he signed death warrants for an incredible 152 out of 153 executions against convicted murderers, the majority of whom only killed one single person. The only death sentence Bush commuted was for one of the many murders that mass murderer Henry Lucas had been convicted of. Bush was informed that Lucas had falsely confessed to this particular murder and was innocent, his conviction being improper. So in 152 out of 152 cases, Bush refused to show mercy even once, finding that not one of the 152 convicted killers should receive life imprisonment instead of the death penalty. Bush’s perfect 100 percent execution rate is highly uncommon even for the most conservative law-and-order governors.

    The above is an excerpt from the book The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder by Vincent Bugliosi Published by Vanguard Press; May 2008;$26.95US/$28.95CAN; 978-159315-481-3
    Copyright © 2008 Vincent Bugliosi

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Flatt/764419858 Alan Flatt

    throw the warmonger in jail.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure I like the idea that George Bush gets to remain in the US. I think the public should literally shove him outside the borders, preferably in a leaky raft.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent point. But isn’t that exactly what has happened? The Balfour declaration shoehorned a new additional state into an existing one, which (Palestine) has since lost most of its land, water, and territory to the new state. Neocolonialism’s policy has always been to put the weapons into the hands of the various factions disputing territory and resources, always managing to keep their own responsibility hidden while the “natives” go to it and find themselves in a Faustian compromise that requires that they buy their stay in power from those very suppliers of weapons, oppressing their own people in the process. So much cheaper for the colonizer than sending their own people out there with arms and ammunition purchased out of their own profits. Yes?

  • Anonymous

    germany had jewish victims to their crimes. people of color,especially muslims just dont count it seems when it comes to war crimes. sad, and grotesque…..but true!

  • Anonymous

    If I weren’t such a fucking cynic myself, I’d say you ruined my day. But, yeah, I’m reading a whole slew of books right now on the Machiavellian machinations of Tricky Dicky, and you’re right. Dammit. Remember those envelopes you used to could buy that had a preprinted block of jail bars in the top right hand, and you’d buy Nixon stamps and paste them in there?

  • Knot

    I guess Israel is the only country he can travel to now without risking arrest.

    Some of the fugitives are ending up in Dubai and Saudi Arabia, they have long been the neo-con banking and corporate headquarters, and they have a completely corrupt judicial system, long ago bought by oil and war profits. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dubai made Erik Prince the town Sheriff.

  • Anonymous

    In the middle of a looming fiscal crisis? Do you remember 2008 at all? I remember the papers being full of “Black October” headlines on a regular basis. Everyone at work was in panic mode because we were afraid our companies were coming down in the crash and we’d all lose our jobs, and whatever we had by way of savings, investments, retirement plans, etc., were going to be wiped out. I remember everyone being really furious with Bush, but grateful that he was going to be gone and terrified at the thought that their property was going to lose its value overnight and they were going to be wiped out financially. I remember people spreading rumours that the elections were going to be cancelled, or rigged, and that we’d never get rid of Bushco. Perhaps there IS something to be said about Americans’ short attention span.

  • Anonymous

    The books you’re referring to were only published recently. Admissions regarding torture were not made until they left office. But even so, as a working person you know that when you have multiple projects on your desk you have to prioritize them. The first items, the A items on your list of tasks are always the ones that are most crucial to your goals. They’re the “burning down the house” type of issues that, if you don’t take care of them right away, will make it difficult to get any of your other issues managed, or your goals accomplished. If your economy is about to crash through the floor, you’re not going to be able to fund a trial for your predecessor, especially if that predecessor is (1) still popular with some 30% of the electorate, (2) extremely wealthy, both personally and through an extremely wealthy family network, and (3) extremely well-connected with the rich and powerful. Let’s not forget that Georgie’s daddy used to be the head of the CIA. Much as I’d love to see that man and all his friends in matching orange jumpsuits at the Hague, I just don’t think a prosecution in 2009 would have served the country well.

  • theoldhippy

    Thanks indi_progressive. But even Vincent Bugliosi, encased in the world of “justice” couldn’t or wouldn’t explain the mechanism of arresting a sitting President or even an ex-President.

    But that doesn’t mean that I don’t totally agree with his thoughts.

    My only answer would be considered revolution and at 68 years, that option is gone.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t watch him…only see snippets of the latest insanity on progressive news, so this is very good news!

  • Anonymous

    How do people forget so fast??? Given the state of the economy and country…I don’t get why more people aren’t doing the work to stay on top of what’s going on. Where do we go if the US continuesdeclining…and there’s no question that it will under republicans.

  • Anonymous

    “If Bush, in fact, intentionally misled this nation into war, what is the proper punishment for him?”

    I would say he supplied the only non-hypocritical and internally consistent answer to that question with the speedy hanging of Saddam Hussein (via puppet proxy) after a fair and impartial trial in a hastily created court not yet backed up by a functioning government..In other words, can’t happen here. It’s good to be the King, or at least the puppet of the same.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Certainly Pinochet, Charles Taylor, and Milosevic were held accountable and Mr. Bush who is directly responsible for exponentially more civilian deaths than all of the above combined should be as well. If it’s torture that international courts can use to indict him then let the indictments begin.

  • Anonymous

    “bush will live out his days on the ranch”

    He hasn’t been to that former pig farm turned “movie set ranch” since he left office. It was just a prop to make him look similar to St.Ronnie. He hangs around Dallas in his gated secured community. Otherwise he’s making bucks peddling BS to the “faithful” or glad handing people who are too stupid to know better.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. Let’s settle this once and for all. If Bush is not a war criminal, he will have nothing to fear in The Hague.

  • Anonymous

    Drop him off in Madrid, the Spanish courts have shown no timidity about dealing with war criminals.

  • Anonymous

    Prof.(????) John Yoo was teaching at the University of Chicago Law School at the same time
    our Pres was teaching there……….Gee… Professor Torturer Yoo was not thrown in Jail yet with
    Bush et al (and others) U of Cal Berkeley renamed its law school in honor of Big Tony(Sup Court)
    and Yoo’s outstanding work………. the “YOO! TONY SCHOOL of VOODOO LAW”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    or the people who made a shitload of money selling bombs and bullets while he was in office.

  • Guest

    You are right, for the time being. The ruthless dictators of the Arabian Peninsula are probably shaking in their designer sandals, however, as the unwashed masses are in the streets demanding “change they can believe in.”

    Even AIPAC and the Likudniks in Israel might be inclined to throw Georgie Boy under the bus, as he becomes an even bigger embarrassment the more he opens his mouth.

  • bob915

    ..what is this, the fucked up version of ‘Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon’???? Yoo was doin what his boss told him to do. Makes him an asshole as well. Do you see him boarding a plane for Europe? Sit down

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    i remember a saying:
    “if you’re not cynical, you’re not paying attention”

    i had a cousin who joined the marines to go fight in vietnam. bought into the whole ‘domino’ bullshit. came home and told me to never trust the government, and never join the military. it was all lies. a bunch of dudes on acid shooting anything that moved, and no one knew who was the enemy, who was a civilian, and who would be shooting at them when the sun went down. the people were going to be farming peasants no matter what, and the whole thing was a money train. took him years to get his head together, and i would guess it’s always there.

  • Anonymous

    We know that Bush is a man with a midiocre intellegence, confused and shallow thinking, and childish communication skills, exelled at one thing: Lying. Lying is in his DNA, and the compulsive liar that he is, he will lie even when faced with the obvious and blatant truth. Bush established and made lies acceptable in such a manner, that lies have become an accepted form of communication among our “leaders.” Pop,” they would say, “it must’ve been some some goddamn socialist who chopped down the cherry tree.” Our society is stricky with the disease of lying and Bush is surely at the forefront of those responsible. Bush has used lies as a weapon and told lies over the corpes of hundreds and thousands of human beings who died because of the man Bush is. Bush may have decieved some, but many Americans were fully aware of the type of man they backed and voted for. There are many how revere him now, who would vote for him now. I hold these Amricans accountable for the dirty world we find ourselves in now. I’m afraid we must wait for History to hold Bush and his followers, his enablers, into account.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Ok ONE trip abroad in 48 years. The point I was making is still valid. He couldn’t give a rats ass about travel…unless there was a speaking fee involved!

  • Anonymous

    If Bush is not a war criminal then neither were any of the Nazi hierarchy in the dock at Nuremberg in 1946. Bush seems like a likable person but that is what the several judges at Nuremberg thought about Goering. Indiscriminate murder of civilians is just that, a crime against humanity. Invading a sovereign nation without provocation is a “Crime against peace” and “Waging aggressive war.” Bush is as guilty of these crimes as Japanese Prime Minister Tojo.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    They can’t forget what they never knew!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    No but an investigation in 2012 would reframe the debate for the voters!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Which he STILL can do!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZS2UC6MI45KJSHWJYJNDBNKURI Warren

    From a “Jew Tainted American” The word is indict, the action is indictment. It’s nice to know that in addition to being racist you are also ignorant. You’re also probably an asshole.

  • Anonymous

    Not only that but the big brush clearing rancher was scared to death of horses. He made the man whose horses were on the ranch when he bought it come and get them because he was afraid of horses and he wouldn’t ride anything but his big FORD F350 4-wheeler and that stupid bike that he kept falling off of!

  • Anonymous

    And he was right! And Iraq was just another version of that same narrative and Afghanistan yet another version. And on it goes…

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    How much jail time did Presidnet Harding get?

  • Anonymous

    Hey Holder this is what Countries do when they abide by rule of law do!
    Obama/Holder are POS’s.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_67SLZQ4DKFHGKNSYBIJAGALAUY George

    What do you mean “probably”? He is what he is, he is, he is.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe some foreign power could snag them off the streets of the US, put them in a box and ship them overseas to be tried. That’s legal now according to our recent re-interpretation of international law, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    ah…. its 6 degrees of kevin bacon………….. sorry my boss, in the sky, made me do it……

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Rep. and Dem. are different sides of the same thing. The system is broken, so it doesn’t matter who’s in charge.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    the Blood Money Tour is now canceled

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Folks, but I am not that optimistic.

    In world affairs that “Guilty seat” it is just reserved for War Looser Countries and very old Miltitary People and Criminals.

    No US President will be prosecuted at least while we are the sole “Super power” and holder of the Main Currency in the world and the Host of the UN.

    I hope i am Wrong!

  • Guest

    And from what I have read, Jeb is thinking of running. What a commentary on America if 3 Bushes get into the Oval Office. Maybe there should be a law that only members of the Bush family can be president in America. Maybe only Bushes should make up Congress, the Senate and the Supreme Court. And if there are not enough Bushes, then Clintons and Cheneys may be pressed into service. Then we’ll have to rewrite the anthem ‘America the Beautiful’ to ‘America the Bush-i-full’. Sorry, I got carried away.
    Last one to leave the country, please turn the lights out.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Leeches on his genitals would be lovely too.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    give’em the rack!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Not to mention the billions of $ of aid that he is STILL providing the Egyptian army with.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    Israel runs US foreign policy so it’s kinda obvious why a bunch of rich jews would invite him for a gala dinner…

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Wasn’t Rumsfeld on the list as well?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    I’m waiting on the first rocket ship out of this planet.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Sorry, I just blew my wad on Democracy Now! But good idea.

  • Anonymous

    yeah, but why should the leeches have to suffer? #justsayin

  • Anonymous

    Excellent post “indi progressive!

    I read a book by a psychiatrist a number of years ago that offered an astute analysis of George Bush. It described in detail his upbringing, family dynamics and its impact on him, and also Bush’s clear tendency toward sadism which he’s acted out throughout his life: as a student at Yale, as governor (which you’ve described very well) and also we’ve seen it reflected in many of the positions and decisions he made as President. This book is easy to read and well worth the time for its insight and understanding of who Bush really is. Here’s a brief description:

    Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of a President is a 2004 book by psychoanalyst Justin Frank. The central premise of Frank’s book is that President George W. Bush displays signs of poor mental health which makes him ill-suited to rule the U.S. Frank suggests Bush suffers from megalomania, that he is probably incapable of true compassion and shows signs of sadism, and that as an untreated alcoholic, is in constant danger of a relapse. Further, in Frank’s opinion, Bush manifests the symptoms of a “dry drunk”, principally irritability, judgmentalism and a rigid, inflexible world view. Frank also analyses, among other things, Bush’s tendency to mix up his metaphors and concludes Bush has substantial problems with abstract, flexible thinking. An updated version of the book was released in October 2007, including a new introduction and a new afterword.

    Another great book that looks at the right and what the Republican party has become is John Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience”. It’s offers great insight into what motivates the right, and why and how they think and behave for what purposes. I never understood the right until I read it. Now I understand how dangerous they really are.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Thank you. Media has a funny way of undoing the calibration of our cranial centers.

  • Anonymous

    None. But are you actually comparing Harding’s financial shennanigans with Bush’s lying us into war, the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of people, and giving us a financial crisis that very nearly destroyed our economy, put millions of Americans out of work, while profiting his rich and richer pals? Am I missing something? Harding was a ightweight and a clown and a crook. Bushe is a mass murderer and torturer – and proud of it!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    True…i’d be happy with a relatively dull razor as well

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Ooooo, don’t I hear you? The smirk from the jerk was a killer. God. He makes a person want to choke him.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Speaking of malicious characters, has anyone heard anything about Mr. Prince since moving to DuBaI?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HISQFQ4AGC6OW77MXASZH4A4QI dchoubak

    ????

  • Guest

    Little, if anything, will happen but it may be embarrassing for Bush.

    People I know are are more interested the current torture of Bradley Manning.

  • Anonymous

    1. Isn’t funny how GW senior couldn’t remember where he was during JFK assination, but films put in Dallas during and at the crime seen put him there, thou not confrimed.
    2. Wasn’t GW senior having lunch with Hinckly SR. during the Ronald Regen assination attempt by Hinkly Jr, Our am I mistaken.
    3. Wasn’t GW senior having breakfast with a Binladin during 911 attack and thier jets were the only ones to be able to fly while his son was President, or again am I mistaken
    4. Wasn’t he the head of the CIA?
    Well if I was a prosecuting attorney I think I would have a pretty good case.
    Just a little reseach

  • Anonymous

    Not only did Bush authorize torture, but around Egypt the 411 on Americans in general is that we used the Mubarak (and Suleiman) government to do our dirty work. So for everyone who didn’t try to impeach Bush, we now have a rep in the ‘hood. Enjoy YOUR vacations wherever dirt has gone down.

  • Anonymous

    Those poor souls who file the complaint should have quietly kidnapped the mother fucker, flown him to a dessert island somewhere (the Cook Islands are remote enough) and torture the living crap out of him. They could start the waterboarding by both pissing in his mouth. What a disgrace this piece of shit excuse for a human being is!

  • Anonymous

    He should run next year. He’ll be guaranteed the presidency.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    No, what I’m pointing out is that Presidents don’t “do” jail time even when there is a direct connection to criminality!

    Now Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the rest of the NEOCON’s they could be prosecuted along with Yoo.

  • Anonymous

    Bush and Cheney hired an ambulance chasing mouthpiece lawyer to write them a permission slip saying torture is not a crime…you know just like the thug nazis did in the Nuremburg trials.

  • Anonymous

    Preach it, brother Sullivan!!

  • Anonymous

    Since they were so proud of their accomplishments and stupidly bragged about torture, they can’t use the Nuremburg defense that they were forced to do it.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t put the Clintons in league with those criminals. Any laws Bill broke should have been taken care of by Hillary, not the US government.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    If memory serves me right we executed Hitlers two “attorneys” that wote his legal opinions!

  • Anonymous

    You’re are just making excuses. There was plenty of evidence available before bush Even left office. All Obama had to do was appoint a special prosecutor and he could have concentrated on fixing the economy, work on the health care etc. He chose not to because he kept the same illegal policies bush had. There are a lot of people all over the world who wanted justice and deserved to have their day in court. It would have sent a message to the world that we practice what we preach. Instead we are hypocrites in the eyes of the world.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    A phone call from Bush to his puppet master.

    Bush: Oh, great sage, my most magnificent lord and master. They are trying to make me stand trial for war crimes, treason, mass murder and theft of trillions from the American taxpayer. Please, my master, will you help me?

    Cheney: Do I know you? “Click”

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    1. Poppy in Dallas

    2. Neil Bush, son of the then vice president of the United States, was scheduled to have dinner on March 31, 1981, with Scott Hinckley, brother of John Hinckley, the day after a bullet came within an inch of making Neil Bush’s father the new president of the United States.

    3. Poppy joined Shafiq bin Ladin at the Carlyle Group annual meeting on 9/11/01

    4. Yes

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Milosevic, who was in the process of defending himself rather handily at The Hague, was poisoned in his cell, for fear he might just pull it off.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Aggressive war is the ultimate war crime.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    I don’t care if they indicate him, long as they indict him.

  • Anonymous

    First Geneva, next on to The Hague!

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you, Stump. The rulers don’t go to jail-until there’s a revolution.And I Americans think they’re to fat and happy for that.

  • Anonymous

    Q: Why did Bill Clinton wear underwear?

    A: To keep his ankles warm.

  • Anonymous

    Bush does NOT seem like a likeable person. Other than that you are absolutely on target.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are mistaken about who is pulling the strings.

  • Anonymous

    I thought I was domed because I wear a helmet a lot.

  • Anonymous

    At least get your facts strait Bush did not say it did not apply to prisoners of war, he labeled Iraqi and Afghanistan prisoners of war “enemy combatants” I want Bush and his cronies punished for their war crimes but get the facts right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V5XKDORJ6HIVIZ6V5OTK76KTEY Immortal

    Looks like the chickens are coming home to roast…um…roost…um…. So this guy walks into a bar and says, “Do you have any thermite? I want to roast a….”

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about that. Count 4 is really bad. The invasion of Iraq which was done under totally false pretenses was as great a crime as the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939.

  • Anonymous

    Assuming he’s not torturing you, he seems like he would be an agreeable person with whom to have a drink or any number of them.

  • freebird44

    Too bad an ex-prez cannot run again, he’s win in a landslide

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5EDD6MBYPGGUIC4G2V4JI4KYLQ Flashlight

    They were not following orders, did not personally torture anyone, zey ver joost givink orderz. Pinochet Pinochet Pinochet!

  • Anonymous

    Bush will be arrested in Switzerland. Several suits are pending. He was to attend
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keren_Hayesod
    prime zionistic fundraiser. Torturer meets Apartheid.
    What a sorry a…

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that the shrub is too god damn stupid to be embarrassed

  • Anonymous

    What, you think Shrub was in charge? Really?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget a fully infiltrated media, that continuously runs a 24/7 psyop, to deceive it’s public.

    People still think there is a difference between Dems and Repubs?

    HAHAHAHHAHAHA

  • Anonymous

    Papa Bush called off the SOP investigation into Reagen shooting by Hinkley. for no apparent reason He was heading the investigation. This delicious little fact was never mentioned on any major news network. SOP stands for standard operating procedure

  • Anonymous

    And the Nazis at least had the excuse nothing like that had happened before. The Bush Administration deserves far worse punishment, for doing exactly that which the world had unequivocally repudiated. I don’t think I’m being extreme here. What worse crime could there be than normalizing Nazi behavior?

    I suspect Bush did it in part to justify the pro-Nazi actions of his grandfathers, just as his father joined the Navy in an attempt to live it down (which is why Nixon resigned when he did, because the story of the Naziism of promenant republicans like Bush and Dulles was about to break. Bush Sr. wrote a letter begging Nixon to resign in time to prevent that, and Nixon resigned the next day — thus bequeathing the awful Bush family on us for generations. Nixon must have gone laughing to his grave.).

    Try a search on “nixon resignation bush letter nazi” if you don’t believe me.

  • Anonymous

    We don’t want to stoop to their level. However, making him listen to Al Gore lecture on climate change over and over and over until he finally gets that his infantile environmental policies may have destroyed the world irrevocably might be good in more ways than one.

  • http://twitter.com/ALarcAscending Barbara Larcom

    Please connect the dots for me. You say this is a “delicious little fact,” so you must be implying something I’m not getting, perhaps about Papa Bush’s motivation.

  • Anonymous

    Amoral.

  • Anonymous

    No, I don’t know that Bush is a man.

    We must use different dictionaries.

    Your comment is nevertheless amusing – and too true..

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the global economy Mr. Chimp.
    It includes justice and accountability. You’re not in Texas anymore.

  • DriveBy

    Lost a “like” due to the unnecessary racist “Jew-tainted Americans” remark but otherwise, a correct analysis.

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is a bit ironic.

  • godistwaddle

    So, he’s not gonna don a flight suit and man up and appear in Switzerland as the hero he is?

    Well, once a coward and a deserter, always a coward and a deserter, eh?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget the day Reagan was shot Neil Bush was supposed to have lunch with Hinckley’s brother. The Bush’s and Hinckley’s were friends. They even vacationed together. The Hinckley’s donated money to Bush’s campaign. When someone is shot look to who benefits the most. I’d say going from VP to President is the person who benefits the most. And add to that on 9/11 George Bush (elder) was actually having breakfast with Osama Bin Laden’s brother. The Bin Laden’s donated over a billion dollars to Bush enterprises over the years before 9/11. Not reported was the fact George W. actually knew Osama Bin Laden. The Bin Laden family were the primary investors in his early businesses all of which he ran into the ground. And yet they kept funding him, losing money.

  • Guest

    Duly noted. I merely meant that americans seem prone to electing people with familiar last names over and over again. I agree that philandering in the WH was a very minor thing compared to the monstrous crimes of his successor.

  • Anonymous

    I really thought as much as I read your post. As I posted my reply to you, my last thought was that I was leaving the door open for someone to say something stupid and I was not disappointed.

  • ghostof911
  • Anonymous

    Those responsible for putting him in power ( big business) have left a huge and terrible legacy in his wake. We have 2 wars, a huge debt load, a supreme court and judges all over the country who will continue to rule as far right wingers. Due to his supreme court appointees, we now have business with the ability to govern our elections. They have truly torn our country apart and it will be a very long time in fixing all that they ruined.

  • Anonymous

    He should relocate to the democracy he created in Iraq and take all his war mongering friends with him. What kind of health care do you suppose cheney would get in Baghdad?

  • Anonymous

    Poppy will get him out of this jam, too.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe in God, you are not going to get heaven unless you bring to justice the people who tortured and lied to us to take us to wars that took the lives of a million people with your tax dollars.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Plus, John Hinckley, Sr. was President of World Vision (a fact that the article I quote below fails to mention, oddly enough — google it), a well known CIA front organization, whence Mark David Chapman, the mind-controlled patsy blamed for the murder of John Lennon, was inculcated.

    One of the strangest CIA connections to Jonestown was the previously mentioned World Vision, an evangelical order which often fronts for the CIA. They performed espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia while Operation Phoenix (the murderous project that left 40,000 people dead) was in full effect. In Honduras, they maintained a presence at CIA contra recruiting camps in the war against the Sandinistas. In Lebanon, the fascist Phalange butchered Palestinians at World Vision’s camp. In Cuba, their refugee camps hosted numerous members of the anti-Castro terrorist group Alpha 66 of Bay of Pigs fame. After the Guyana massacre, World Vision developed a scheme to repopulate Jonestown with CIA-linked mercenaries from Laos. Laos, of course, was where the CIA was running it’s “secret war” during Vietnam, which for the most part was a smokescreen for a widespread opium trafficking operation.

    One particularly important World Vision official was John Hinckley, Sr., an oil man, reputed CIA officer, and friend of George Bush. You may have heard of his son. Less than four months before Hinckley Jr. became known as Jodie Foster’s biggest fan, another member of the World Vision order, Mark Chapman, gunned down John Lennon in what may have been a practice run for the bigger hit on President Reagan. One of the policeman who found him was convinced that he was a mind-controlled assassin. Chapman was clutching a copy of the novel Catcher in the Rye, which was also owned by John Hinckley Jr. (The book was written by J.D. Salinger, who worked in military intelligence with Henry Kissinger during World War II.) Before going to trial, Chapman plead guilty after a voice in his head (which he attributed it to God) commanded him to do so.Why would such people use their own children to do crimes of power and take the fall for them? Child sacrifice is a sacrament among Satanists (think “Skull and Bones”) as is infant incestuous molestation as the chief vehicle of Monarch Trauma-based mind control. See Wheeler and Springmeyer.

    There is also considerable evidence that Barbara Bush the elder neé Pierce was not the daughter of publisher Marvin Pierce, but was conceived when his wife was on holiday in Europe staying with a friend whose boyfriend was the friend of one Aleister Crowley, and became pregnant by him that summer. Can you see the family resemblance?

  • Anonymous

    Cheney was bailed out with a huge bribe to keep him out of foreign prison. Likely the family lawyer, James Baker, would arrange another such bribe to keep junior out of the dungeon he belongs in. As long as the men and woman (Rice) who who promoted the war against Iraq and other middle-eastern countries, not to mention subverting our own country’s laws to such a degree as to void them are not brought to justice and are left loose and free by the USA, we as a nation of people will continue to be reviled across the globe. Righteously so, I must add. Our once cherished principals for years now, have been tossed aside as so much waste paper. We cannot call for free elections nor democracy, much less the sanctity of human rights in other countries so long as the Bush cabal of neocons remains free. To the Hague with all of them!!

  • Anonymous

    Why certain immunity as a former head of state? That sure didn’t apply to that bastard from Serbia-Former President Slobodan Milosevic.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NTOUXVLC2DJPT34AVJJZTFFT2I Rick

    How about NAFTA and China as Most Favored Trading Partner status? Bill has a lot to atone for.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Does anyone think Bush cares? He is not scared at all. He knows Obama will protect him.

  • Anonymous

    So, Al Gore has destroyed the world now, eh? Mighty powerful guy, I’d say. Are you sure it wasn’t the Boogie Man under your bed? And, btw, what happened to the one about Gore writing the book only for the money? Is that not a good one anymore now he’s destroyed the world?

    If you’re not wearing a tinfoil hat right now, I recommend you do before it’s too late and Al Gore destroys whatever is left of your brain.

  • Anonymous

    Please read my reply more carefully. You’re confusing the pronouns. I apologize for not being clearer. I meant to say that Bush destroyed the world, not Gore.

    I do understand a lot of people who bring up Al Gore do it out of the most loathsome of right wing talking points. I was not doing that. I generally agree with Gore although I don’t trust him due to his social class, DLC backing and religious views. He’s a bright guy and I wish his message were better understood.

    Also, since we’re on the same side, I must counsel you to eschew ad hominem. When you attack the person, you’ve lost the argument.

  • Anonymous

    Astute observation. My bad.

  • Anonymous

    hang out in dallas and watch the enormous protection bush receives. must be a dozen limos, suvs etc…just so mrs bush can buy a new pair of shoes.why the hell is he deserving of this? the poor and disabled…even homeless would almost become obsolete with the monies spent on this huge display of protection, power and “show”……makes me want to puke everytime. didn’t anyone get it when bush senior ran for presidency? why, why, why did this family ever become part of our world…..i say bush sr, bush jr and chaney should hang….along with all the “supporters and promoters” hoping to become rich, famous and safe….shame on all of them!

  • Anonymous

    it was an obvious “abuse of power”…..why the hell did so many look the other way?

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    When an articulate writer takes the time to spell out hard evidence of a failed system like we have, and is not prevented from doing so, it is something to celebrate, and I do, and thanks for making the effort. You have made the case abundantly that things are not as they should be. Allow me to go on to the next paragraph of this argument.

    To quote Gordon Duff from Veterans Today, the problem is

    "There is no American foreign policy. Now, people don’t want to accept this — if you’ve heard something else for years and years. There is no Congress. There is no government. There is no president. If you’re wondering why we got rid of one moron and we have another person who sounded very nice and they’ve turned out to be a total moron also, it’s because, well, any sign of independence on the part of an American president, they’re going to be destroyed." Gordon prefaces this statement (which was said in an interview with Peter B. Collins, and some bountiful person has transcribed in full at The Equal Party, for which my undying gratitude) with words that I will leave out of the present discussion for the moment, not to complicate the issues. But given what I have quoted here, let me adduce more evidence of the truth he speaks.

    Last May the 4th there was a fascinating interview on Kevin Barrett’s radio show “Four Arrows: Witch-hunted professor, 9/11 truth supporter & Wellstone author” (podcast) . If you’d rather not use the NoLiesRadio player, you can access the mp3 here.

    Four Arrows is his Native American name — his Anglo name is Donald Trent Jacobs. But he wrote a book with Jim Fetzer called American Assassination: The Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone.

    In this interview, after a discussion of the Wellstone plane crash, the conversation, beginning at time=17:30 in the podcast, goes (with ellipses to save typing):

    BARRETT: Here in Wisconsin we have a lot of Wellstone supporters, and there was a poll taken . . . What do you blame for the crash (1) bad weather (2) pilot error (3) mechanical failure, or (4) Republicans, and the winner by a landslide was Republicans. So . . . why won't the people close to Wellstone go there?

    FOUR ARROWS: Well, you're right, 69% in the Wisconsin poll said they thought it was Republicans. . . . I think your question is the paramount question, and the short answer is the American hegemony, and the longer answer has to do with what I believe is a hypnotic phenomenon. . . . I'm — I'm gonna share something with you I've never said on any public forum . . . .

    BARRETT: You heard it here first, folks!

    FOUR ARROWS: That's right. This is a first, and there may be a price I'm gonna pay for that, but maybe not. 'Cause I've told a lot of friends. I have a colleague who is friends with Senator Barbara Boxer of California. And, in a meeting, a number of years ago, this friend was with Barbara Boxer, and Barbara asked her, "Do you know a guy named Four Arrows?" And this person said, of course, "He's a friend of mine", and she said, "Well, I've read his book American Assassination — and again, this was in a private conversation — Barbara and this person — and uh she shared with this person "well, he's a lot closer to the truth than maybe he really knows" or "could imagine". And the other parts of the conversation that was shared with me had to do with the "warning to all of us, not to cross" — that there are "certain lines we do not cross". Now she told this person, "If you tell this to Four Arrows, and I'm sure you will, I will certainly deny that I ever said" — so, I guess I can say it to the world now, and —

    BARRETT: She's welcome to deny it.

    FOUR ARROWS: She's welcome to deny it.

    [END PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT]

    If we consider the points raised by indi_progressive in this light, we have a different kettle of fish. We have journalists like Gary Webb who break stories like Iran Contra, and are ultimately destroyed. We have voices like Donahue who, seemingly at the top of visibility, are suddenly and forever silenced. We have voices like Wellstone, who are replaced with Tombstone, as in this major ad run just before his death.

    We have voices like Frank Church, who did more harm to our common enemy than almost anyone I can think of, but was dead politically immediately after his victory lap.

    It’s all well and good to say, “Bush shouldn’t get away with that.” It’s a whole order of magnitude, or perhaps, exponentially greater to imagine taking the power that protects him away from the Deep State, as Peter Dale Scott calls it.

    What’s the plan to accomplish that?

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    .—

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    P.S. — Bugliosi is full of bugl, because, as correct as his legal advice is to US attorneys and state attorneys general that they should indict Bush for murder of their local soldiers, his book is a poisoned chalice, insofar as he denies the central place played by the CIA/FBI/Secret Service, & al. in the death of JFK.

    Most everybody here at RS knows that those blood-soaked spooks have no brief to protect the American people, but they are precisely the butler of Wall St. And they will be sent out to destroy “with extreme prejudice” anyone who scares The Street, whether it be JFK, RFK, MLK, Wellstone, or John Lennon.

    So to deny that makes Bugliosi a skunk in my eyes. He’s like a toddler at Sea World looking through the glass and daring Shamu to eat him.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    There’s nobody that W reminds me of really, except the Roman emperor Nero, with his buskins on and his lyre reciting his awful poetry to his captive audience, or lashing his chariot horses as he wove his way through the Christians tied to poles, covered with burning pitch.

    That awesome video by Will Farrell about the brush clearer is almost as good as it gets, except it predated his war crimes.

  • ghostof911

    And part of the 24/7 media brainwashing exercise are the fake polls the are produced prior to the election, making it seem that the most unelectable of candidates have strong popular support, thereby making their rigged election wins seem credible.

  • theoldhippy

    Glad to see someone else who reads Gordon Duff.

  • Anonymous

    no silly, I think those who invited him to Switzerland are in charge!

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Gordon and the team at VT are just about the most credible source I have these days.

    And that is an exceptionally handsome pussycat on your chairback there, doctor

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Sorry to be so long getting back to you. This from Wikipedia under Supreme Crime (q.v.):

    The concept of supreme crime is a legal principle that to initiate war not in self defense, called war of aggression in international law, but with the intent to conquer territory and subjugate other people, is more egregious than a normal crime. The term was introduced by Justice Robert H. Jackson, chief prosecutor for the United States at the Nuremberg Trials. RE your expression “Count 4″, what does this refer to, if you please?

  • Anonymous

    Count four is “Crimes against humanity (torture).” Where is there a Justice Jackson when America needs one?

  • Anonymous

    Over there they cut heads off. Is that torture? I think I would take the water any day to that. I like the head I have. I have had it all my life.

  • Anonymous

    We are in a war and we have one hand tired behind our back. And the other one they are trying to tie behind our back too. Are we just to give up or can we try to win this one?

  • Anonymous

    The USA will fall if the people who live here don’t care enough for their own country to fight for her. To save American lives in WW2 they dropped the A-bomb on Japan. We would not be here today if we wanted to put our leaders in jail for trying to win the war. It makes my head hurt to think how up side down the thinking is today.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Upon reading your question I began to think, Jackson had it pretty easy, playing the “high moral ground” card against a defeated enemy. But he never had to play it against his own country. Perhaps he was only useful to America when they needed to rebuke others, and a greater man would be required for what we really need now.

    Indeed, perhaps no such man exists, ever has, or ever will, to correct his own country from such profound errors perpetrated by those at the pinnacle of power, wealth, and turpitude.

  • Anonymous

    Such a man does exist. Unfortunately such enlightened individuals rarely involve themselves in politics and if they do they will be in serious danger.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    That is the point I meant to express that, sure, plenty of honest people will denounce the powers that be for what they are, but will never have the authority to correct them, or sentence them to hang as the Nuremberg Tribunal had done. That’s for “others”, not for “us”.

    Put another way, when will the criminals at the top of the heap ever face justice, emistruth? They are shrewd enough to stay within the protective perimeter of allowing enough comfort for their host country’s indolence to protect them. Only an outraged citizenry, ie., with a conscience bigger than their selfish laziness, could ever threaten these monsters.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Egyptian people are about to get rid of their monsters for 30 years. Of course the new grotesques might be even more vile but the old order is out.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    “about to get rid of their monsters”

    I hope so. I have a hard time believing it will happen.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    I saw him for what he was and hated him at the first sight, a photo of him on his knees, kissing his Hispanic 3-year-old niece full on the mouth, for the camera and the Hispanic vote.

    No one in history but Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, aka Nero, compares for turpitude.

  • Anonymous

    True but I’ll bet he was one hell of a good drinking companion. He is one in a series of incredibly immature men, Regan, Clinton and Bush who have managed through their dubious, charming (to average Americans) smiles to become President. Clinton was intelligent but at heart a 16 year old testosterone fueled boy. Same with Regan and Bush. Not a man among them.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    I never was much of a drinker. How do you suppose he would have been to trip with?

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