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Group plans to beam free Internet across the globe from space

By Eric W. Dolan
Thursday, February 10, 2011 14:32 EDT
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The charity group A Human Right said it was planning to purchase a satellite that would provide free basic Internet access to developing countries around the world.

The group, which was founded by 25-year-old Kosta Grammatis, is currently raising money to buy the TerreStar-1, the largest commercial communications satellite ever built. TerreStar, the company that owns the satellite, filed for chapter-11 bankruptcy protection in October 2010, opening the possibility that the satellite may be up for sale.

The group hopes to raise $150,000 to finalize a business plan, investigate the legal and business aspects of submitting a bid for the satellite, and hire engineers to turn the plan into a reality. After this initial phase, the group plans to develop an open source low cost modem that could be used to connect to the satellite and finalize plans with partner governments.

“We believe that Internet access is a tool that allows people to help themselves – a tool so vital that it should be considered a universal human right,” the website for Buy This Satellite stated. “Imagine your digital life disconnected. Without access to the 100 million man-hours that have been put into Wikipedia, how much do you actually know?”

Nearly 5 billion out of the world’s 6.9 billion people don’t have access to the Internet.

A Human Right plans to finance their satellite by allowing telecommunication companies to purchase bandwidth, while providing basic service for free to everyone. “Our goal is to not only get everyone online, but also facilitate the growth of an industry,” their website said.

The group has already managed to raise $44,781.

“The idea for global connectivity was born in Berlin, Germany in an innovation ‘Do-Tank’ called Palomar 5,” according to the group. “Thirty people under the age of thirty came together to innovate on what the future might look like, and how to address some of the worlds problems.”

“In Egypt we’ve watched as the government, in an unprecedented way, shutoff Internet access for the entire country,” Grammatis told TIME. “We’re building a system that can’t be shutoff–it’s as decentralized as possible. You could jam the signal somewhat, but to do that at the scale of a country is a very very difficult task.”

“Big ideas, that can improve our society as a whole, are worth doing, and this one will be done,” he added. “It’s the logical next step in communications: a network available to anyone everywhere for minimal cost.”

Similarly, President Obama announced Thursday his plan to get 98 percent of the United States connected to the Internet in five years.

Eric W. Dolan
Eric W. Dolan
Eric W. Dolan has served as an editor for Raw Story since August 2010, and is based out of Sacramento, California. He grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and received a Bachelor of Science from Bradley University. Eric is also the publisher and editor of PsyPost. You can follow him on Twitter @ewdolan.
 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    Great idea, but I expect, unfortunately, that there are several other, well-heeled, “groups” who would find it worth much more than a charity can ever hope to raise, simply to keep that satellite silent, or, perhaps, to broadcast American hate speech across the globe.

  • Robert Shaftoe

    porn for all! :)

  • Guest

    I fear you are right. Greed trumps individuals in our current world of profits before people. I’m hoping…HOPING…that this is a David/Goliath scenario in its conclusion.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t even want to think of all the restrictions their will be to log on…

  • Anonymous

    Do you mean “American hate speech” in terms of others speaking badly about the U.S., or the kind of speech that daily comes out of the mouths of Republicans?

  • Anonymous

    I’m for it for sure! No boundaries, no borders and hopefully no governments to block content because they can’t!

  • Anonymous

    I hope they can get it done.But the poor still have to obtain a computer.

  • Anonymous

    YES!!!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t hold your breathe. Both the U.S. and China have demonstrated their ability to knock down satellites. Neither will accept a communications channel not under their control.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    To shut it off, they only need shoot the satellite.. China and the U.S. have shown they can do it, and it won’t be long before those rockets are on timeshare with despots and dictators.

  • ThatBostonMan

    At what speed?

  • Anonymous

    Both you and Joe Somebody are wrong. The information flow has started and it can’t be stopped. If they start shooting down satellites, they open the door to their own satellites being shut down. Imagine a country saying “no more internet”. They’d be doomed.

    We’re on the verge of seeing some incredible changes. Enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    The empire will never allow it. They don’t need to destroy it. Lasers and jamming will be used to disrupt it.

  • Anonymous

    Point one – TerreStar has filed for chapter 11 REORGANIZATION and they have obtained $75 million in Debtor in Possession financing to sustain business operation during their reorganization. What are the bets that satellite is colateral for that debt obligation? Without that satellite TeraStar is out of business.

    Point two – $150,000? Who are they kidding? Even if they can leverage that into one or two million – it will still fall FAR SHORT of what that satellite will fetch on the open market.
    “An offer they cannot refuse”? They can and will refuse.

    Point three – This well meaning campaign will turn out to be nothing more that the fleecing of hundreds or thousands of well meaning people to the tune of $150,000 or more. They certainly will not return the money if their plans do not work out – and they won’t…at least not in their present form.

    GET REAL! The only reasonable offer that could even have a chance of being too good to refuse involves at least $75 million – but likely much more.

  • http://twitter.com/RavenWytch RavenWytch

    The flow of information is power. I hope for the very best with this venture.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.olpc.com

    Also you do not need one computer for each person. Many people can share a single computer.

  • Anonymous

    “What are the bets that satellite is colateral for that debt obligation?”

    Probably pretty poor, it is a bad risk.

    “In a regulatory filing on June 30, the company listed the spectrum licenses in the 2GHz and 1.4GHz bands as worth $177.4 million and $209 million, respectively. ”

    These licenses are much more tangible than the satellite and are MUCH more likely to be the collateral you are talking about. The satellite itself is a HUGE engineering risk for any potential purchaser and that will GREATLY diminish its value.

    Face it the satellite is a huge white elephant. It is completely useless except for its intended purpose. It’s not like you can go up there and swap out the equipment.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been aware of the one laptop per child program since it first showed up. GREAT idea, too bad MS and intel tried to fuck it up. Still, it’s doing good things, and offering people more knowledge than they have ever had access to. And a cute little machine, too.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t be done, too much risk of damaging other satellites, and far too much risk of an international incident. If the satellite debris came down on a populated area it could start a war.

  • Anonymous

    Probably pretty crappy, but many of us got lots and lots of work done with 300 baud modems back in the day. And really you will not be able to argue with the price.

  • Anonymous

    “too bad MS and intel tried to fuck it up”

    You have no clue about what you speak. That was just stupid press bluster to generate fake news stories. They never had any influence on its design or anything else. It was all based on OLPCs selection of an AMD chip.

    “And a cute little machine, too. ”

    It’s not CUTE, it is packed with leading edge technology and it is really quite a powerful computer. Computers are not CUTE.

  • http://twitter.com/Librehombre Richard Collins

    A ground breaking plan. Help it succeed if you can. Spread the word to your social nets and donate to the cause if you can afford to.

  • http://twitter.com/Librehombre Richard Collins

    Can’t never could. Won’t never will. There are dozens of billionaires out there that would see the costs as chump change. This will be interesting to see what happens. Amazing how many people are ready to write off anything new and daring.

  • DesertSun59

    Free Internet will never happen anywhere on this planet. Ever. There are far too many capitalists who have already figured out how to prevent this from happening in metro areas all across THIS country alone.

  • DesertSun59

    Someone is not all that familiar with the word oligarchy and how that relates to who gets to supply us with the Internet.

  • Anonymous

    Boy, do I ever remember what it’s like to share a computer with a bunch of people! Worked third shift many a night back in the ’60s and ’70s.

  • Anonymous

    Actually in metro areas, all that is necessary to create a free internet, is for people to connect their wifi routers together in a mesh network.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    “The group hopes to raise $150,000 to finalize a business plan”

    Read carefully it seems they are aware of the extreme cost as $150,000 seems quite the appropriate amount to secure a solid business plan. They are going to use this money to make the financing and research how to implement it. This has nothing to do with the cost or “market value” of what they will need to purchase the satellite.

    Attracting “billionaire” type of investors to drop “chump change” on this one, as Richard Collins suggests, would need a strong business plan in place so these guys can see what it is they are investing in and evaluate if this is a cause they should donate in. Even if it is chump change to some of these billionaires they still want to make sure their donation isn’t pissed away or funneled towards a terrorist organization.

    JMlynick would you like to see this succeed? If so and you truly want to see this happen, saying it won’t doesn’t make it happen any easier. What if an investor based his decision to invest by taking a pulse from the comments? Wouldn’t you feel stupid if they missed their mark because an investor was discourage by a Negative Nancy? If you believe in it support it, don’t cry about it.

    Saying it won’t happen is the easiest bet to take and to me shows how weak a person is. People said we couldn’t land on the moon, we did. As something that was never done before the easiest bet to take is the one betting that we wouldn’t make it. But the one that pays off the most is the one with the risk. Take a risk, be positive for a change. Maybe this is the simple “change” we need. Positivity?

  • Anonymous

    South Korea already has free internet and my friends from South Korea tell me it is about 10-15 times faster than anything Comcast delivers!

  • Anonymous

    Setting up a system like the article describes is a much more complicated affair than just obtaining the equipment and making it work. Many countries have laws that restrict wireless communications, especially when there’s a third party involved, which would always be the case with the Internet.

  • Anonymous

    Geesh, a little touchy about technology, are we?

    First off, after the program had been under way for a while, Intel and MS did indeed announce that they were going to “compete” with it. It has NOTHING to do with the design or their input or lack thereof. They most definitely DID try to get it it’s way. I know why they were doing it, I know when they were doing it, I know what their intention was. perhaps it’s YOU who doesn’t know what they are talking about.

    Secondly, when I used the term cute I wasn’t trying to put it down in any way, shape or form. It’s a more capable machine than most of the ones in my house. If you want to take offense at that, then that is on YOUR head. It most definitely IS a cute machine. Ever seen one? I wish I had a computer that would run off of a hand crank and solar.

    Get out of attack mode, I wasn’t trying to put the program or it’s work down at all, or you either. Stop taking it that way, I’m not arguing If I were, you’d have singed eyebrows.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    give the green guy this though — thanks to the curious point in tech history we are at, we’re at the very least going to see a once in a millenium collision. The old irresistable force meets immovable object routine — something has got to give

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Did you mean “whither”, or just the place sanity passes through on its way there — uh, thither?

  • Tio Holtzman

    Definition of a pipe dream…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ESQMZ34URJNXQ4XGKHZMOMIW5E Crow

    Umm “a satellite” the world is round…
    It would be basic. No high speed for you!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    Obviously, nothing is free not even the air we breath, just ask B of A… Remember when we had to swipe our ATM cards just to breath the air inside the branch?

    Back to the point, nothing is free, someone always pays… I would like to challenge your claim that:

    “Free Internet will never happen anywhere on this planet. Ever.”

    So lets say my Smart Phone or PC automatically picks up my neighbors “unsecured router.” That is not stealing, nor am I paying for it… Wouldn’t that essentially be free internet? Such a bold general statement with no follow up, one has to assume you are talking in essense.

    What about Starbucks? Ever live near one of those? You will never have to pay for internet as long as you are in range. Most Starbucks networks are not secured, or at least they weren’t last year. It’s been a while since I’ve lived near or been in a starbucks. But still doesn’t that alone essentially prove that internet was free for me at one time in my life, certainly not “never” as you claim.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    Edit:

    Also lets not forget about the new “hot spot” feature that some smart phones are adapting to let you use your cell phone as a hot spot… Anyone accessing your hotspot would also be using internet that they did not pay for nor steal, which to me is my definition of complimentary or free.

  • Anonymous

    If that asshole with ADD, ADH, BFD, etc., thomas edison would have paid Nilkola Tesla the $50,000 that he owed him, this kind of technology would have been out decades ago. GE, edison’s “evil spawn”, fired 10,000 workers, and created 30, 000 jobs in india. Bastards.

  • Anonymous

    Point taken JustinB.
    I WOULD like to see this work. My wife is from Cameroon and though they have internet in the cities – it is very poor and it is non-existant in the villages. Other African countries also have spotty coverage. It would be great to give them the tools us Americans take for granted.

    That said – maybe a company that is in chapter 7 – one that will liquidate its assets would be a better target.

    I am a bleeding heart liberal who believes that we should watch out for our brothers and sister – and they will watch out for us. Its not really the way of the world – but I still believe it. Maybe I don’t know enough about their plan – or the condition of TerraStar. But from what I have read (Which isn’t much at this point) I think TerraStar in their reorganization had better hold on to as many productive assets as possible.

  • Guest

    Wow…I don’t know anything about this, but it sounds really cool!

  • Anonymous

    If they can’t shoot it down they’ll “Stuxnet” it, but they will not and can not afford to allow the opposition unfettered Command and Control, usually the first target in battle. I know the force is strong in you, but I don’t think your light saber will help you with this one

  • Anonymous

    Well, when a characteristically enhanced, genetically modified plant is being grown by a farmer under contract, then it naturally reproduces, and the neighbors wind up growing it due to pollen drift, teams of lawyers descend on the neighbor and demand royalties, in many countries.
    Do you seriously think that, with the size of service provider companies getting larger every month, they won’t figure out how to charge anyone who uses “free” wifi?”

  • Anonymous

    Big busness & the government will not let this happen.Theirs too much money that will be taken out off their pockets.

  • Anonymous

    “Without access to the 100 million man-hours that have been put into Wikipedia, how much do you actually know?”

    wikipedia is the last place i go for information.

    free internet access is a great idea though, especially with Obama’s ‘internet kill switch’ in the works.

  • Anonymous

    i am REALLY SICK of all you “the billionaires have control of my balls” nay-sayers.. you actually sound like you ENJOY being defeated.

    grow a pair and do something about it.. or please just keep that negative nonsense to yourself, do you realize how much you are NOT HELPING? you influence all future generations with that crap, the govt doesnt even need to bother with any BS mind control to keep the masses in check, YOU DO IT FOR THEM. all the kids who read and listen to you are going to think they have no impact on the world and will give up before they even try. in fact i bet thats what happened to you right? your parents were a bunch of lazy nay-sayers.

    history is full of the rich suppressing the innovative.. but to constantly bitch and moan like a stuck pig that its impossible to defeat them is complete and utter horse crap, if that were true.. we would still be where we were in the late 1800s.. living in filth and begging at the robber baron’s feet.

    get over yourselves and stop killing the momentum. they dont have control of your every movement, you arent tied to the train tracks YET.. but if you lie down and do it your own damn self, it sure makes it freaking easy for them to run you the fuck over.

  • Phil E. Drifter

    And yet they’d still be paying their service providers a monthly fee. So… free

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    If there’s air around me, I’ll breathe it….If there are WiFi signals trespassing through my body without my permission, I’ll capture and use them.

  • cannotvote

    ‘The rich suppress innovation’ – ie Tesla!

  • Anonymous

    The 3rd world deserves porn just like everyone else…..

  • tony_opmoc

    The internet is a two way thing. Its not just a case of beaming a signal down like satellite tv, the internet user has also got to send a signal back. Satellites can be used for Internet, but they are not great because there is a noticeable delay due to the distances involved.

    So if this group actually putchased a satellite, what would it do next to provide “free internet” to the poorest people in the world? Have they actually thought this through? Are they going to provide the poorest people in the world woth a satellite dish with a two way lnb – and a computer – and an electricity supply?????

    The poorest people in the world don’t even have a clean water supply or enough food to eat. These little problems need fixing first, before any stupid scams like this. Are you really going to send money to these people??

    You would do far more good if you went on a plumbing course and joined a voluntary organisation to provide clean water to some of the poorest people in the world. That means hard work and having the skills to teach and motivate.

    Tony

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EMLFKLALZHF7EBYUQXHUHQOATQ Tony

    Wikipedia is a Zionist tool that censors information, even if it is true.

  • Anonymous

    O, Ye of little faith! There is a proliferation of low technology and decentralized power generation that is spreading through the third world, like human powered water pumps (modified bicycle frames), and solar power generation that is getting these problems solved, where governments allow. Politics is a bigger hindrance than access. And Gandalf would have blasted you for your cynicism. He stood for wisdom, not pessimism.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you. Couldn’t have said it any better.

  • Anonymous

    Since you haven’t been paying attention to what just happened in Tunisia and is still unfolding in Egypt, I suggest you take a closer look. This is the spark of a wildfire that will soon sweep the planet. The Age of Runaway Capitalism is coming to a close.

  • RottenJohnny

    There’s also the fact they can get the facts of their problems out to the rest of the world; something they have little resource to to now. It’s a win/win thing for them.

  • tony_opmoc

    Faith doesn’t make stuff work. It takes science, development, technology, manufacturing, distribution, education, training and maintenance. Sure human powered water pumps are a great improvement than having the women carrying pots of water on their heads from the local river 10 miles away. I’m sure they are really looking forward to a bicycle powered internet.

    A small charity group attempting to buy a satellite from a bankrupt comms company is one of the daftest ideas I’ve ever heard of. So say they raise £100,000 – what are they going to do with it? Well, they will pay themselves to run a project evaluation study to educate themselves that the idea is completely fucking stupid.

    If you want to send them some money in support of your great faith in them, then you are even dafter than they are.

    Tony

  • John Kessler

    You won’t give each person a dish, but you could give one to a community and the connection could be shared using WiFi. It would operate much like the free community internet hotspots you see in many US cities today.

    Satellite isn’t the best way to connect to the internet, but it does work and for this application it is plenty good enough.

    The problem I see is in raising funds to buy a satellite. This things ain’t cheap! $150,000 is just pocket lint compared to what they will need to pull this off.

  • John Kessler

    I’ve noticed that anytime a system is proposed to give people free access to the internet opponents will quickly pipe up with the porn argument. I heard the same exact comment when a proposal was made to put WiFi in a local county park in my community.

    Using porn as an excuse to keep people away from the internet is just another way to say only people who are willing and able to pay for the internet should have it.

  • Anonymous

    You miss the point. Satellites or no satellites the information flow has begun and it can’t be stopped. So why even bother shooting down satellites?

    In response to the Egyptian shut-down (temporary) of the internet there was a lot of discussion about what to do if that happens in the US. One great option was setting up user-based wireless networks. The technology will win out in the end. It’s like trying to prohibit printing presses. Works for a while, but not for long.

    How successful are they at prohibiting copying cds? Despite the huge financial backing to enforce restrictions, it can’t be contained.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. I was talking about “Real-time” communication capabilities that Satellites are capable of providing and the topic of the article above. You are referring to a nebulous macro-term “information flow”. Neither of us is wrong or were all wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Not at all. Companies and groups of individuals can pool and purchase corporate-grade internet connectivity for relatively low cost. Since these connections are meant for businesses they have no throttling or bandwidth limitations of any sort. By law the carriers must sell to you for the same price that they sell to others. This is very very cheap when you spread the cost out over a condo building or a neighborhood. It is in fact so cheap that a few people who really want it can do all of the paying and everyone else can just use it for free.

    This is dirt cheap stuff. We are talking about table napkins and salt shakers kind of cost.

    Not only that, there are plenty of colleges and universities out there whose wi-fi coverage “spills” into the surrounding neighborhoods. These lucky people get to use the internet for free. If they install repeaters then their neighbors can cash in on the free action, too.

  • Anonymous

    Tony. Before you trash the idea, think of it as a noble gesture to inform the world of what is happening elsewhere around the world. It may or, may not succeed but, it is worth a try.

    The Internet has allowed the exposure of dictators around the world and, as you can see with what is happening in the Middle East, is an essential tool for the spread of democracy – as feeble a start as it may be. Again, I think it is worth a try. :)

  • Anonymous

    I think an important thing to remember here is that the Internet is a very flexible and accomodating beast. You can run it over a hundred different kinds of connections and cables and airwaves and fiber optics. Shit there are actually RFC specifications for how to deliver IP packets with carrier pigeons. I kid you not. The Internet goes through rain and snow and sleet and hail and makes the postmen look like pussies. I tell you the military did their job well.

  • Anonymous

    There is a guy in india with a satellite dish, a few laptops, and a solar panel on his bicycle trailer. He rides to remote villages in india with no electricity and no running water. The townspeople all gather around and check their gmail accounts. It is truly astonishing technology and it is incredible to see such impoverished people able to make connections. They exchange crop information and connect with their families. It is wonderful stuiff and it is SO DAMNED CHEAP.

    You say: “You would do far more good if you went on a plumbing course and joined a voluntary organisation to provide clean water”

    Well this sort of primitive and effective connectivity is EXACTLY how these people can accomplish these goals.

  • Anonymous

    You are just clueless aren’t you?

    Motivated people in third world countries can do amazing stuff with limited budgets. You are fat and lazy and you get the entire world handed to you, so even getting out of your chair is a challenge. Don’t project your own failings onto others.

  • Anonymous

    Hedy Lamarr invented this stuff, not Nicola Tesla. Look it up. Yes the movie actress. No I am NOT kidding.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you take a look at the currently shipping OLPC and please indicate to me which features on it were influenced by Intel or Microsoft. Hint: you won’t find any.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you provide us with a source of information that is not censored.

    Of course everyone with half a brain knows that everything is censored and edited but we can accept this and understand that everything we read on the Internet is questionable. This is why human beings have “judgement”.

    For instance if I want to look up math or computer stuff then your “zionist bias” is not going to affect me at all. By the way wikipedia is an EXCELLENT source for math or computer or science stuff in a pinch. It is a little light in some places but the hardcore math stuff is excellent. You can crack open the page on “Set Theory” and keep yourself occupied for days and days.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JJT5IKIJ445TRZ6T45W4HEBP54 John Sizemore

    Even the poorest of countries should have internet porn.

  • tony_opmoc

    Instead of slagging me off, get off your own sweet arse and actually travel to remote poor areas of the world to see how you can help like I have.

    The real world does not come through a computer or TV screen.

    Tony

  • Anonymous

    Do you injure yourself when you make these uncontrolled knee-jerk reactions?

  • AnzaSummer

    I see for-profit ISPs rushing to file papers to prevent free internet access. If they fail, they’ll probably try to get some tin pot dictator to shoot the satellite out of the sky.

  • tony_opmoc

    “SO DAMNED CHEAP”

    You obviously are completely ignorant of the cost of such technology and the reality of life for most people on this planet. You get your information from the Internet. Do you know how to change a light bulb? Do you know how to fix your toilet when it stops working?

    http://www.outdoorbits.com/alden-satnet-automatic-internet-satellite-system-p-1351.html

    Our Price: £3,063.82 Incl. VAT

    Tony

  • willymack

    Good one; I LIKE it!

  • tony_opmoc

    I trash the idea because it is totally ridiculous. About half the population in the world are living in complete poverty, and in many parts of the world the poverty has got worse due to lack of investment in very basic infrastructure like roads. Electricity would be wonderful, but the last thing it would be needed for would be the internet.

    The World is not as it is portrayed in the media, yet it is quite easy (or it was) for even teenage kids to spend for example 6 weeks in some very remote part of the world building something useful and planning something much better.

    Tony

  • Anonymous

    That is actually quite a cheap price if you spread it out over 10 villages with 100 residents each. You are talking three pounds each. Three pounds is no too much for something that will change your life, right? You spend that much on a half litre of good beer.

    I know that people in poor areas benefit greatly from being able to communicate with each other. They share knowledge about how to grow their crops better and they organize their markets better. If you understand communications at all then you understand that is its the next fundamental step in human evolution: we will develop the ability to use our brains together to solve our problems instead of each of us working things out on our own.

  • willymack

    I agree with you to a point.
    While it’s true that potable water is as vital to life as food and shelter, the accumulated knowlege and wisdom (along with a substantial amount of BULLSHIT) is accessible to anyone with the equipment to access it.
    While most Americans would rather remain stupid and ignorant, this is not true of the rest of the world, and those others would drink at this vast fountain of knowlege like a camel that hasn’t had a drink in two weeks.
    There are countless examples of knowlege equating to power, and this would mean EMPOWERMENT on a grand scale.
    Sort of like how the Internet helped clean up the car business.

  • tony_opmoc

    How do you transport a bowl of rice or a cup of water over the internet?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    E.F.T. (Electronic Funds Transfer)…

  • willymack

    Boy, have you got that one right!
    Remember Bill Lear’s freon-based “steam” car?
    It only required a tiny butane flame and a closed freon systen to work.
    Bill mysteriously died before his idea could get off the ground, and I always wondered why his wife didn’t go ahead with the plan. Hmmmmm.

  • Anonymous

    Free salt and pepper will never happen. Free ketchup is destined for oblivion. Free napkins will never happen. Free bathrooms will never happen. Why even the sidewalks and the roads and the air itself has an annual fee. There are far too many capitalists who have already figured out how to cash in on this stuff.

  • tony_opmoc

    AnzaSummer,

    Unless you live right next to a crystal clear mountain stream which provides you with unlimited amounts of pure water, someone else will do lots of work to provide you with water that is safe to drink. Why do they bother doing this work for you when you don’t want to give them a reward for their work? If you want free water then walk to the moutain stream yourself. Why should someone else do it for you?

    You want free internet?

    You want free food?

    You want free everything?

    Well it is possible, cos animals don’t use money

    Living in a commune without money can work, but it is incredibly hard work.

    If you want the Internet you have to pay for it

    Tony

  • Anonymous

    Holy fucking hell, who taught you how to read? They owe you your money back. I DID NOT SAY THAT, IDIOT!!!

    Look, you apparently WANT me to bash you in the skull. READ WHAT I SAID, MORON, NOT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO HAVE SAID. CHRIST! I get ENOUGH of this bullshit from the political idiots here, do I REALLY need to deal with technological nitwits, TOO?

    I DID NOT SAY that Intel OR MS had A GODDAMNED THING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING DESIGN, DID I? READ WHAT I WROTE YOU FUCKING IGNORANT “I HAVE TO BE RIGHT ” BITCH! Until you learn how to read with COMPREHENSION I have NOTHING more to say to you. Good God, what a MORON!

  • Anonymous

    It can most certainly be free if advertisers think that it is worth their while to pay for it for you. For example at the airport, wifi is free if you look at a few ads. We are intelligent humans and we can ignore ads, right? So it is free.

  • tony_opmoc

    EFT are just bits. You won’t live for long eating electrons. If your Master doesn’t feed you there are lots of Rats to eat – particularly in Downing Street.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUv_vcYoFaE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEg6876E1ig

    Tony

  • Anonymous

    You mean how you have to pay to use the public restroom? How you have to pay for the napkins and the salt packets? Do you pay to walk down the sidewalk? Do you pay to go to the park and look at the trees and enjoy the fresh air? We humans understand that it is important for us to be able to talk to each other. More important than your obsession with paying for everything you can put a name to. We can make these things free like the sidewalks and the parks and the sugar packets because there are more important things than money. Money is a TOOL that we use to solve our problems, not a god that we worship. When it is the right tool for the job, well then for sure you should use if with vigor. But there are other tools too. Remember the old saying “when you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail”

  • Anonymous

    Well if those bits are accepted anywhere on the planet then I can just find someone with rice and trade him for my bits. Welcome to the world of money.

  • Anonymous

    “the last thing it would be needed for would be the internet.”

    You are just freaking ignorant. How do you think these people are going to lift themselves out of their situation? How are they going to learn what they need to do? How are they going to organize themselves? We take all of these things for granted but we were in the crapper too until we started using pony express and telegraph to talk to each other. Sure just keep them in the gutter, denying them the same tools that we used to lift ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    You deserve to be slagged off with your defeatist attitude.

  • Anonymous

    How many billions are there in india? A penny from each is more than enough

  • Anonymous

    They don’t care about email users in third world countries. It is not their market. How can you squeeze blood from a stone? Do you really think that Comcast is lusting for market share in rural India? Wow. Low-bandwith internet is basically free anyways. There is no money to be made in it. It is a “niche” market and it is left for the minor players. Any fool can get into the business with used gear bought cheap on ebay. The big ISPs want to sell high speed bandwidth to people with money that want to watch movies. It is a far more lucrative market and that is where you will see all the dirty politics.

  • Anonymous

    “they are not great because there is a noticeable delay due to the distances involved.”

    Email users don’t care if their message takes 3 seconds to arrive at its destination instead of 0.0004 seconds. They don’t need the same kind of internet infrastructure that we use to stream movies. They can use the cast off gear that we used in the 90s and they can also just string together cheap off the shelf pcs which also happen to make great internet routers. Heck they can even use the computers that we throw away and send to them for recycling.

  • Anonymous

    “too bad MS and intel tried to fuck it up”

    What did you mean by that?

    Hey what do I have to do to get your head to explode? It looks like I am close. Wow that would be fun. This is fun, I really do enjoy watching you get all heated up. Thanks for the good time. Let’s play again sometime. Hopefully then you will realize when your chain is getting yanked.

  • Anonymous

    You want to know what drives me crazy? STUPID PEOPLE. Those who will fight you with NO facts, NO knowledge, NO understanding, and NO interest in anything but being STUPID. I tried to be nice to you, I even specifically stated that I was NOT trying to argue with you. YOU came back and shoved more BULLSHIT at me and did so quite nastily. YOU brought it on yourself, idiot.And being STUPID is NOT a thing to be proud of, it’s just proof that you are stupid. Like any one needs that from YOU.

    As to your question, they have this thing called a search engine, where you can find all kinds of information. Since you insist on being stupid and arguing with me over it, you can do your own godddamned research. I’m not here to teach the stupid what they should be learning for themselves. Look it up yourself. I’m done dealing with you.

  • Anonymous

    yes i do know how to fix it, thanks to the internet.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    Hi Tony,

    Don’t you think the implications and beneficiaries of this will not be the poor but of, for example, people in a situation similar to Egypt? Or even the people of Myanmar or China? This would be a way around the great wall. YES the oppressors on land would most likely target anyone with this service, track them down and beat them to a bloody pulp. Brave men will step up and take a risk no doubt. There is definitely a huge benefit there.

    Back to the poor communities. YES the poorest of poor communities can’t even afford something to wipe their ass, let alone provid electricity and satellite dishes. I was thinking about this laying awake in bed last night and I was thinking, how would we get the satellite modem to the poor that have electricity in some form but no internet. I started to imagine Sally Struthers sitting along side poor kids abroad in a infomercial stating, “just $1 a day can provide internet to these poor kids with no xbox live… For the amount you pay for 1 song on Rockband you could provide internet for 2 poor families.” Lol, no but really could you imagine 10 years form now this organization keeping you up late at night guilting you into providing internet to poor people?

    In all seriousness though, this would be most valuable as an uninterrupted source of internet (in theory). As long as nobody blasts the satellite out of the sky, governments can’t prevent everyone from accessing it… Although now that I think about it, China probably wouldn’t hesitate to blast it out of the sky.

    As complicated as it is, I am all for this. The more we discuss, debate and innovate the idea the closer it is to reality.

  • Anonymous

    “Public restrooms” are paid for either in tax money or by money the facility such as a gas station raise and pay to keep you “going”. There is no free meals anywhere. You are paying for the napkins and little salt packets when you buy the burger. Somebody pays for that sidewalk you walk on. Those of us that own corner lots pay more.

    The sad part is that many people that this satellite would serve do not have electricity. I was part of a group that raised $5000 to buy and install power poles to bring electricity into a little village in Ghana last year. Two years before, we installed water filters for them. At the sametime however, a member of the group that went to this village had an Apple iPad that a 15 year old boy with no computer skills or use of the internet was able, within a few hours, figured out how to use an installed mapping program on his own. If they can get the tools, they can surely build for their countries.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    “I trash the idea because it is totally ridiculous. About half the population in the world are living in complete poverty, and in many parts of the world the poverty has got worse due to lack of investment in very basic infrastructure like roads. Electricity would be wonderful, but the last thing it would be needed for would be the internet.”

    Then take down the pic of Gandalf and put one up of Sauramon. Believe in the power of the people and what we can accomplish together, as Gandalf believed in the power of the Hobbit.

  • Anonymous

    You teach them to develop their own water supplies and rice paddies.

  • Anonymous

    Freedom, liberty, justice, equality and happiness are Spiritual Rights that supersede all man-made laws. A satellite that will provide free access to the internet for all of the worlds inhabitants is a right that should be encouraged and supported as can be seen with what happened in Egypt today.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    Try telling that to John Wooden! Check out the pyramid to success. It works and it requires faith and applies to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you set out to accomplish.. The more and more I read your posts I am made aware that you are an educated individual… However it is very apparent to me that you are either a complete “Negative Nancy” or someone cut you off real bad on the freeway today and you have no dog at home to kick.

    Why try to squash the idea? Too much opinion to retract now?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHUR5LALBGRBDQ5VAKAL3JDKNU JustinB

    Thanks for the response! I was humbled by it and I’m glad you do support this cause. I was on a mission yesterday. I was not in the mood for a “defeated,” “can’t” or “negative” outlook yesterday and I responded with some of what I like to call, “Aggressive Positivity.” When I get cut off on the freeway I don’t go home and kick my Dog I attack the negative. At least the energy is being channeled to the approriate parties. I like your resonse, thank you

  • Anonymous

    making money is not their goal. read it again.

  • Anonymous

    You can have this internet by collecting donations from the freedom lovers & problem solvers of the world.

  • Anonymous

    Sarcasm, buddy. Sarcasm.
    Anyway, until the worlds poorest have access to food and water, this “free internet for the world’s poor” is a bit like “Let them eat cake.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Brown/690547972 Daniel Brown

    Go “A Human Right”!

  • http://twitter.com/Librehombre Richard Collins

    There are warehouses crammed ull of used computers. The trick is the distribution mechanisms. There is a project out there to sell a notebook for under $100. The cost of computers goes down, down.

  • http://twitter.com/DeliciousAnon Richard C. Mongler

    There is an excellent Ted talk on the topic too:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT3NBbD_ml8

  • http://twitter.com/thenakedshort The Naked Short

    This is a great idea. Does the group have a website?

  • basher72

    Great idea – not just for poorer countries, but as an end-around alternative access method to the Internet. The perfect “gift” for those aggressive corporate-controlled governments who want to shut down the Internet when our communication with each other becomes too much of an inconvenience for them and their agenda.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZ2GJ62UOBZDJQ4BY6YVAJJULA tessa campbell

    You understand that is a George Soros operation, right? George Soros’s internet experts are making sure they control all revolutions across the globe? A very good article to read to understand how the Globalists/Bilderbergers use ‘youth groups’ movements can be read here, using Egypt’s situation, securing their choice on Egypt’s next ‘presidential installation’ – Article “Google’s Revolution Factory
    Alliance of Youth Movements: Color Revolution 2.0, by Tony Cartalucci

  • Anonymous

    “We’re building a system that can’t be shutoff–it’s as decentralized as possible. You could jam the signal somewhat, but to do that at the scale of a country is a very very difficult task.”
    Not really. All a government has to do is blow the satellite out of the sky.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QHRUML5XFH7AMSWH63TQH7F7E4 MalikTous

    Nice idea, I hope it does go through. I’ll keep an eye on it… If information becomes the next universality, I expect two things: One, it will be a hotly contested public program, and two, it is only likely to succeed with Jewish backing. The Jews invented universal literacy; their having a part in universality of information would only be proper.

  • Anonymous

    Love the word Recycle!
    E-waste is becoming a huge problem in countries that do not have a re-use policy. But the problem with recycling is that the process and costs are a lot more complicated than we imagine them to be. But still a good thing to be doing.
    On a side note: has anyone read A Time Odyssey by Arthur C Clarke and Stephen Baxter. The main character in the three part novel cherishes her government issued mobile phone, which is given to every child on the planet when they turn 13 (or there about, I can’t remember the story exactly). Science Fiction surely does lead the way!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DLLRFLTILUE3KLHQGM6WPK6VJU Brat!

    A couple more sites for everyone to have a look at and bookmark.

    Free Software Foundation
    http://www.fsf.org/

    Decentralizing the Internet So Big Brother Can’t Find You
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/nyregion/16about.html?_r=1

    I wish all of them great successes. It’s time for the citizens of the world to reclaim our freedom.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/243HMPJWIG277BUEZIHIQUHHA4 Marco

    only to be knocked out by a huge solar flare!

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    lol.
    you still think that party affiliation means a shit?
    obama got more big corporation money than mccain.
    its two sides of the same coin buddy.
    i bet the republicans would say american hate speech comes out of the mouth of democrats.
    enjoy the sham that is the 2 party system.
    Ignorance is bliss i guess.

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    dude look up the definition of a troll. this is a good example of one. he basically admitted he was.
    i dont understand why anyone thinks its worth their time to argue with people on the internet.
    smoke more, chill out.

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    >setting up user-based wireless networks.
    these are pretty easy to locate and destroy. your basically broadcasting your location to whoever is intersted. they could send cruise missles based purely on the rf signal and destroy it remotely without ever seeing it. or just send in da troops
    >the information flow has begun and it can’t be stopped.
    sure it can

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    i just liked your comment as a joke btw.
    be happy that you have the right to speak your mind, and the ability to be somewhat anonymous through the power of the internet.
    as a jew i support your right to make imflammatory statements about people you probably have never come into contact with.

    (yes i know you’re probably trolling)

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    well maybe through the power of information they can enpower themselves and rise above their living situation. knowlege is power mutherfuckas

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    lol energy does not come from nowhere.
    this is like the poeple who say we can go 200+ mpg off a single gallon of gas, but ford and gm dont want people to konw about it.
    havent you heard of the law of conservation of matter?

  • http://rollred15.myopenid.com/ Your Name

    yes but goodluck getting everyone to donate a penny. many people need that penny for food, and those that dont would be understandibly cynical about the lofty goals this project shoots for

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