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‘All of our gun laws are extremely porous,’ Raw tells Russia Today

By Stephen C. Webster
Friday, February 11, 2011 12:51 EDT
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When Raw Story investigative reporter Brad Jacobson published his report on how 2 million dangerously mentally ill people are missing from America’s national gun register, Russia’s largest news network took notice.

Appearing on Russia Today’s The Alyona Show, he told the interviewer that gun laws in the states have become “extremely porous” thanks to a mixture of bureaucracy and political gamesmanship.

“It definitely sounds like a complicated system, and definitely a lot of gross negligence all around here,” RT’s interviewer, Alyona Minkovski, remarked. “It’s no laughing matter that two million people are now not in this database.”

In addition to the millions of mentally ill left out of the register, Raw Story reported that tens of thousands of people’s records, that would fall into other legally disqualifying categories in the background check system, are also missing — with convicted felons high on the list.

“One of the over-arching things that I found in the investigation is that our gun laws are unbelievably porous,” Jacobson told RT. “You know, when this event in Tucson happened, a lot of politicians showed up everywhere saying we just need to, you know, this is just about making sure the laws on the books are being followed.

“But if you talk to people who are experts on this and you study it, you realize that all of our gun laws are extremely porous.”

Read Raw Story’s full report from Thursday, right here.

This video is from Russia Today, broadcast Thursday, Feb. 10, 2011.

Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster is the senior editor of Raw Story, and is based out of Austin, Texas. He previously worked as the associate editor of The Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, where he covered state politics and the peace movement’s resurgence at the start of the Iraq war. Webster has also contributed to publications such as True/Slant, Austin Monthly, The Dallas Business Journal, The Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Weekly, The News Connection and others. Follow him on Twitter at @StephenCWebster.
 
 
 
 
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  • Wyrdless

    Russia Today, isn’t that the foreign propaganda arm of the KGB?

  • Anonymous

    unless I missed it, this reporter didn’t define his population–who are these “mentally ill” people? His story smacks of sensationalism and piss-poor journalism.

  • Guest

    I agree. It lacked any solid definition, mentally ill is a broad term. Was he talking about depression? Bi-Polar? Dont get me wrong , I do not support schizophrenia and or felons with guns, but that article he wrote really seemed like it was out to scare us and nothing more. And I agreed with his point of view for the most part, its just that you cant trust the Govt. to do ANYTHING well…the harder they try, the worse it seems to get.

  • NeoNative

    WOW! Are these two pro-2nd amendment or anti-2nd amendment? Whining about how “shocking” the 2 million number is according to gun seizing nut groups and then the very last thing she says is that Loughner would not have even been prevented from buying these guns because he wasn’t mentally unsound. Is this a Comedy Central skit?

  • NeoNative

    Complete Fail!

  • Anonymous

    Oh great. Jacobson blabs to RT, Putin’s own personal anti-American “news” site. RT is Russia’s Fox news channel, a backer of Russian nationalism. The news about gun laws is out there, let RT dig it up themselves, don’t help these creeps.

  • Jaimie11

    They’re are the ones who point out to us that there is no difference between the ways our two governments behave.

    This big difference is that in Russia the people know how corrupt their government is and that they are not free, while here, the people believe they are free and that the government is force for good in the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTFRQEKODXEDIF6UKOLGDEIPAA Eric

    Requiring driver’s licenses to operate a car doesn’t stop people from driving without a license. However, it certainly reduces their number. If no one cared if you had a driver’s license or not there would be a much bigger number of people driving without one. So yes, having gun registration laws that aren’t watered down by the NRA to nothing won’t stop every single instance of a nut going on a massacre but it might reduce their frequency.

  • Guest

    One of the problems is the criteria. There is no distinction between the felon that robbed a liquor store and the guy that started a camp fire on federal land. And mentally ill is a pretty broad term. Denying second amendment rights to someone with ADD or someone who is taking Prozac for depression is plain wrong. It used to be that person had to be adjudicated mentally defective for a criminal act before they could be denied their rights. Now there is no judge and no jury when blacklisting Americans from their second amendment rights. Other rights as well. The last thing we need is another gun law in America – except maybe those that assure more free and open access to guns and non-discretionary conceal carry laws for the 8 states that still refuse to instate them.

  • Anonymous

    Dead_Head -

    You seem to be very ill informed about anything Russian. I have lived here since 1999 and would not trade you places for anything in America again.

  • Wyrdless

    If the US was as bad as Russia George Soros and the Koch Brothers would be
    in jail just like Mikhail
    Khodorkovsky.

  • Anonymous

    Wyrdless -

    The KGB moved to the USA 20 years ago and took over your government. I am amazed at the stupidity of Americans everyday.

  • Anonymous

    Jaimie11 -

    Very close to true! I am amazed, are you American? No, maybe not, Americans can’t think this logical…………..

  • DesertWren
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001513126037 Heath Strock

    blah blah blah

  • Tom

    RT is an excellent news source for Progressives and Liberals on what is going on in the US. (Obviously don’t watch it for hard hitting news on Russia, Duh!)

    It challenges the corporate propaganda Americans are fed daily. You will see documentaries on RT that are just not allowed on American Corporate TV. You can watch many of the Documentaries on RT.com, along with clips from the Alyona show and the Keiser Report.

    Keiser does a financial news show with an anti corporate spin, and points out the financial bullshit on Tuesdays and Thursdays, that the corporate media tries to feed us, plus Keiser is funnier than hell once he gets going. Here is a little sample:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-B2V2l_6QE

    You can watch RT, along many other free news and entertainment outlets on Free To Air satellite, (FTA). It costs a few hundred bucks for equipment, but there are no monthly charges, (I guess thats why the call it FREE To Air, LOL)

    Warning if you are a right winger do NOT watch RT. It will have you screaming at your TV like Liberals do when they watch Fox…

  • Wyrdless

    My buddy Dr. Gelfer moved out of Russia when his family was persecuted because one of his cousins had made anti-government remarks. granted that was about 25 years ago.

    Do you have any proof for your conspiracy theory?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Porous? For whom? People who wish to protect themselves from criminals with guns? If all firearms are banned, only the bad guys have guns then and what will you do? Cry for government to save you? They cannot, they will not, and courts have ruled and police have stated publicly they are under NO obligation to protect you. Look it up.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    LIES LIES and more damned LIES

    2 Million Americans have NOT been adjudicated mentally defective by a judge. That is the criteria to strip the right of firearm ownership.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    Raw Story would have RIGHTS stripped from Americans without even a judge’s order that the person is incompetent. Hypocrites.

    Its simply amazing, wanting the government to disarm the populace while at the SAME TIME believing the government spies on people, starts illegal wars, is in bed with corporations, and violates a whole slew of other rights. A complete Cognative Disconnect.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    The criteria in the USA is that a judge has found a person to be mentally incompetent. Normally this is a forced internment in a mental hospital, or at a competency hearing to stand trial for a crime.

    Many Raw Story readers would have the Right to own a gun stripped without any judicial hearing at all, yet they would be aghast if this happened with any other rights.

  • Anonymous

    here in new york city, a glock can be had on the street with its serial # ground away for a grand or less. they do not check your record or ask any questions. there will be no benefit whatsoever to any further gun laws and won’t pass congress or courts anyway.

  • Anonymous

    1. spychiatry is the mental illness and in no position to judge anyone, considering ECT, lobotomy, ‘therapeutic castration,’ drano-drugs, MK Ultra and 72% of APA in 2007 wishing to continue assisting the US in its use of MK Ultra in the rendition torture chambers re-authorized by obama on february 1, 2009.

    2. as for the sanity of americans… in 1872, a survey showed 3/4 were in favor of the complete extermination of every single native.

    3. most americans who own guns are not entirely sane beings.

    4. i want to get one of the new, multi-tendril tasers just in case of needing to defend self from police, soldiers or crazed videogame gun-nuts…

  • ThatBostonMan

    Liberals should be banned from gun ownership. Only conservatives who pass an IQ test should be allowed to own guns.

  • Anonymous

    punk not dead… interesting that the beat-hippie-punk thing still rules… wish we ruled the world… but it is kind of sad that the kids don’t have their own authentic gig, eh, here we are in the sunset rays of rock&roll and their music, fashions, dances… all date to decades ago…

  • Anonymous

    That is the same kind of thinking that gave us marijuana prohibition and the machine gun tax stamp. Yeah, you can have a machine gun if you have the stamp, but you can’t get the stamp, they only printed one, and THEY have it. Or the Cannabis tax stamp, which you could get, but ONLY if you had the cannabis in hand when you went to get the stamp. But the fact that you have the stuff without the stamp is illegal.

    It’s all a catch 22. You KNOW you will NEVER find a conservative that can pass an IQ test!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you did miss it unfortunately. Though I’m not sure how because both in the original article (which is linked above) and in the interview I mentioned that the mentally ill individuals I’m referring to are those who have been “adjudicated mentally ill.” This means people who have been judged by a court to be a danger to themselves or others. And while the number, the two million missing records for such people, might sound shocking, there’s no sensationalism involved — the facts alone are disturbing enough, and that’s what I reported and discussed. And they are facts with sources that are also cited in the original article. If you’d read it, you would’ve seen that the study the Brady Center noted in its press release had been conducted by the National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics. Additionally, the host who interviewed me last night noted this source for the 2 million number as well.

    So the adjudication standard is actually a pretty high standard — as opposed to other assertions in these comments, no, it would not include people just because they suffer from depression or any number of other kinds of mental illness.

    Plain and simple: To be legally prohibited from purchasing a firearm, you must be declared by a judge to be mentally incompetent, i.e. a danger to yourself or others. These are people who are seriously mentally ill who a judge has declared are no longer capable of making sound decisions on their own. Obviously, putting guns into the hands of such folks would be extremely dangerous.

    Incidentally, also mentioned in the article is that this prohibitive high standard for mental illness has been the same standard since the Gun Control Act of 1968. So again contrary to other suggestions here, there has been no widening of sort as to who falls into this prohibitive category.

    If you still think this is piss-poor journalism, then maybe you’re merely a gun lobby troll and you didn’t want to hear or read the facts before making false accusations. But I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you somehow genuinely missed these facts. If so, I hope this helps you understand this issue more clearly.

  • Anonymous

    “Do you have any proof for your conspiracy theory?”

    “Are you blind?” – Inspector Clouseau

  • ThatBostonMan

    IQ is correlated to class.

  • Jaimie11

    There’s a problem with that solution – when you must get a license from the state to do or own something, it is no longer a right but a privilege granted by the state.

    Interestingly, the example you provide illustrates another piece of the evidence that gun laws are not really being proposed to improve safety, because far fewer people are killed by guns each year than by automobiles. Additionally, there are deaths from medical errors each year amounting to near 200,000 people.

    If safety were such a pressing issue, why go after deaths from fire arms when deaths from medical error and automobile accidents are far more numerous.

    This war on gun rights smells a lot like the war on terror and the war on drugs.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. Money makes you stupid. It blinds you to reality and it is a monkey on your back.

  • Wyrdless

    Come on, specifically the KGB took over America 20 years ago?
    The KGB agents came over to America after the collapse of USSR and ‘took it over’

    The CFR conspiracy at least as names, facts and 100 years of history to prove it.

    Can you throw me a bone. A name, an organization, something that shows the KGB took over America, I’ll even google it for you.

  • Jaimie11

    Both Soros and the Koch Brothers are doing their parts in maintaining the divide that keeps the American people ignorant and powerless to have any effect on the corruption in our government. If they were to start criticizing the government as Khodorkovsky criticized Putin’s authoritarian rule, they too would end up imprisoned or dead.

    Look around, we do have political prisoners here, and critics who had the support of many people, are now dead or silent through having been threatened.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he meant the government?

    Mentally ill – bloodthirsty psychopats!!!

  • Anonymous

    Then go back.

  • ThatBostonMan

    Gun control protects the upper class from the lower class.

  • ThatBostonMan

    Yeah of course, so KGB gun traffickers can keep making money off the black market the KGB promotes gun control. BRILLIANT.

  • ThatBostonMan

    The Koch family has connections to Stalin, remember?

  • Jaimie11

    Certainly if I am not permitted to own a gun, my ultra wealthy (hypothetical) cousin will not experience the same problem. Money speaks with powerful effect.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t have to be literal, fuckhead. It is the spirit of the KGB that has taken over. Is this concept too hard for you?

  • Jaimie11

    I beg to differ. Where I live if you call 911 in an emergency there is a good chance you will get a message informing there is no one to take your call…click. And even if there is someone there, the police could not arrive in fewer than 10 minutes. In the event of someone breaking and entering my house with intent to harm me I would have no chance of surviving if I did not own a gun.

    To suggest that my valuing my own life is not entirely sane is exactly what the oligarchs want. The more people like you who are willing to judge as insane the normal response of a normal person to protect him or herself, the more likely ALL our rights will be deleted.

    Next, it will be – that guy thinks the official 9/11 story is not believable. He must be insane. Let’s throw him in a cage where he can’t infect the young.

    You are not all there in the head. Too much TV – your brain must have never known an alpha wave.

  • Jaimie11

    That is a good solution, actually, except for the IQ test part. Think of illiterate people in the south who were denied their rights and were prevented from voting. People who can’t read are no less capable of using a gun responsibly than you or I.

    Liberals apparently are opposed enough to owning guns that they will force their opinion onto me against my will, using violence if necessary to make me comply. What a bunch of hypocrites! Let them not own guns if they are so opposed. And leave me alone.

  • Jaimie11

    Dumb reply. And you sound jealous.

  • Wyrdless

    “”It is the ”spirit”’ of the KGB that has taken over”"

    Yes, it does have to be literal dipshit. Otherwise I could say Rosie O’Donnell took over, you’d say “where is the proof” and I’d say “I didn’t mean Rossie O’Donnell literally fuckhead”

    See saying an amorphous ‘idea’ (and saying the KGB did it but not LITERALLY the KGB is amorphous) did it doesn’t answer any fucking questions honestly do I have to explain this to you?
    You aren’t a 14 year old are you?

    Anyway, check out the Council on Foreign Relations., that is a real, documented conspiracy which has been around for 100 years and involves a staggering 40% of the cabinet over the last 6 administrations (both D and R)

  • Wyrdless

    Hi, I like new info, Please let me know. I don’t follow Koch bros. news, but I’m starting to think I should.

    Could you reply with a link or two?
    I know Prescott Bush was nazi, so what is the worst you got on Koch?

  • Wyrdless

    Umm, that has nothing to do with my comment. Are you from Boston ‘TheBostonMan’?

  • Anonymous

    Wyrdless -

    Have you ever really read the PATRIOT ACT I & II? If you have then you would understand that the comparison of the KGB moving to America and what is really happening in America would be clear. These new laws have supplanted the Constitution and Bill of Rights – totally.
    And I am very glad to hear that your friend, Dr. Gelfer, was able to leave the Soviet Union 25 years ago. That government has been history for about 20 years now. There are still a lot of adjusting and problems with governing this nation, but that Soviet control is not one of them.
    By the way, the family name Gelfer does not sound Russian at all. I live in a republic that has over 160 different nationalities and this name is very unfamiliar – where is that name from?

  • Anonymous

    frantaylor -
    You are very astute and an intelligent responder. I am so sorry to say that far too many Americans are as Wyrdless is — illogical and demanding proof of everything. I doubt if the folks like Wyrdless can understand a poem, or any literature for that matter. I’ve read some of the posts from this person and it seems that s/he argues both sides of this issue of guns.

  • Anonymous

    Sir or madam –
    You tend to destroy any reasonable retort by your insistence on attacking others and by using profanity. Are you not educated? Are you not civilized?

  • Anonymous

    Wyrdless -
    “…I’m starting to think…” This is a very good start and I really hope you continue to think!

  • Anonymous

    Jaimie11 -
    Pretty fair assessment of Russia. Only thing I could add is that Putin was only ‘authoritarian’ with the high level criminals. He had almost 90% of the common people’s support when he was president. That approval rating has fallen lately.

  • Anonymous

    Dead_Head -
    Are you able to read English? I believe that, “…I have lived here since 1999…”, means that I am still here.
    Your post name seems to fit you well. I am sorry that you are among the many many Americans that are, in fact, illiterate, undereducated, uneducated and willing to remain that way.

  • Jaimie11

    In fairness, zeke, fran started the vulgarities not Wyrdless. Wyrdless asked honest questions and was called a fuckhead by fran.

    I thought the point Wyrdless made was right on – “I could say Rosie O’Donnell took over, you’d say “where is the proof” and I’d say “I didn’t mean Rossie O’Donnell literally”.

    There is no better way to suppress curiosity than to reward it with rudeness and disdain.

  • Jaimie11

    Arguing both sides of an issue is a good way to sort out the issue in one’s own mind. And asking for proof is honest, even if there is often not actual proof, at least evidence can accumulate to lend weight to one position over another. Why fault Wyrdless for questioning and being open minded enough to consider new ideas?

    Open mindedness and questioning are exactly qualities that are admirable.

  • Jaimie11

    Gelfer is listed among the names of Russian Jews -

    http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/rje_g.htm

  • Anonymous

    Jaimie11 -
    I thought that that hame was Jewish, but I am not that fimilar with Russian Jewish names — thanks!

  • Anonymous

    Jaimie11 -
    I will concede that arguing both sides is a good way to sort out things in your own mind, however on an open forum and the sides that are being considered are divided by a few unrelated posts tend to not seem so connected. Therefore my comment.
    Most posts that I have read here are so slanted and one way that sometimes I tend to forget that some Americans can think and reason with logical thought patterns.
    I am also totally put off by the personal attacks brought on by posting one’s thoughts and the vulgar language that passes for intelligent responses. Can Americans actually talk to one another with disrespecting or attacking one another?

  • Anonymous

    Jaimie11 -
    “There is no better way to suppress curiosity than to reward it with rudeness and disdain.”
    This statement that you made at the end of your post is very very true. And this is my thoughts concerning the fragmentation of any political unity on the progressive side of American politics. The ideas that are brought forward are not only trashed, but the originator is attacked for being a fool.
    It seems to me that everyone that posts here has the ironclad rule that ‘it is my way or the highway!’
    This is one of the most discouraging developments of the last 4 or 5 years in American politics – total unwillingness to cooperate with one another.

  • Anonymous

    I know you shouldn’t judge someone based on their looks. But if I had to envision what a libtard raw story reporter would look like, this yuppie fruitcake would top my list. Kinda reminds me of that sick bastard mark Potok of the sPlc

  • Anonymous

    I shouldn’t judge someone based on their comments, but if I had to envision a person insecure and threatened enough to post such a comment it would look a little like this http://www.media-post.net/ud1.jpg

  • Anonymous

    every single time i’ve ever called 911, the cops have taken me as the
    bad guy, cuffed, beaten and dragged me semi-conscious into detention
    with no charge. on two occasions, have found thieves in home and if i’d
    drawn a gun; would likely now be dead. when young in late 1970s,
    hitch-hiked all over north america and found myself seeral times in
    potentially fatal scenes; lived due to NOT having a weapon; just wits
    and feet. more people, esp children die fro gun accidents than are
    attacked and save themselves by having a gun in hand. cops here kill
    more people that are murdered annually in the entire EU with over 850mln
    people.

    personally, by the end of the day on 911, wife and i here in NYC had a
    dozen items we either knew to be false or at least suspicious. by a
    week, over 20. i almost died from the promise that ‘the air is safe’ an
    hour after NYC EPA had determined it toxic. that was $13bln dollars of
    medical and benefits ago for that safe air. i tend to think that anyone
    who fell for that official story likely also believes that television
    wrestling is ‘on-the-level.’

    you parting insult is evidence, however, that you are not a rational
    man. in reviewing what i wrote, it is sensible and comes fro a chess
    playing, computer multimedia programming expert of 25 years credentials
    who majored in philosophy and minored in history and is about to take a
    first screenplay to film. why the hostility? got a problem. get beat up
    in bars a lot?

  • Anonymous

    your comment is not sane. how did you extrapolate any of this from
    what i wrote? btw… haven’t watched any television except for films on
    DVD and football since 1990. fuck off.

  • Jaimie11

    You’re stupider than I thought. You go around deciding who is sane or not. What arrogance. Now stay in your deceprit NYC with its foul air and choose to not own a gun. Your situation is yours to decide how you wish to defend yourself.

    Now leave me to make my own decisions, and stay out of my business, nazi.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry you were missed on the “retarded” list for guns. Can we just put you on the terrorist-tory retarded list to make you feel better?

  • Anonymous

    If that was true, we would not be in afghanistan fighting the war that took every bullet and 500,000 troops of the russkies to finally lose.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4CB4JMBKUBO6NL2RNREZDZUEA Freeky_Fried_Chicken

    Apparently not porous enough for the 4 New Yorkers slaughtered by the crazy armed with a knife.

    Where was NYPD – doing another gun show ‘sting’ in Arizona?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4CB4JMBKUBO6NL2RNREZDZUEA Freeky_Fried_Chicken

    Russia Today is more credible than most U.S. media I see; they have stories you’d be amazed aren’t on our Newz™.

  • Anonymous

    dennycrane -
    The reference to the KGB is as Jaimie11 has so readily explained to the other detractors. If the perversion of my old country’s government is not due to the KGB, then America has some really strange and fascist leaning people leading it now a days.
    Besides, I don’t believe that the KGB had much to do with America’s trick to get the Soviet Government and the Red Army into their own ‘Vietnam’ tragedy.
    Many of the Red Army’s soldiers attribute that disaster to their old government, just the same as we blame our government for being in Vietnam. And yes, I am a vet – Vietnam 1969 – 1971 and 80% disabled by the VA.

  • Wyrdless

    very weird. What do you mean by tory anyway? The oligarchy and the people
    supporting them?

  • Anonymous

    i didn’t start doubting anyone’s sanity… that was you who said i
    ‘wasn’t right’ whereas my piece was logic and rationale. go away. i’ve
    seen your insipid semi-rightwing whatever posts.and i didn’t get into
    your business and am a freedom-loving anarcho-socialist into authentic
    democracy. you dictate. go away. way away.

  • Jaimie11

    “authentic democracy” What the hell is that? Mob rule?

  • Jaimie11

    This what you said – “3. most americans who own guns are not entirely sane beings.”

    Of course, as I own a gun for self defense, I naturally thought you were telling me I was not entirely sane.
    Where you get off assigning yourself that right over others is beyond me, unless your opinion of yourself is so high above your opinions of others, that you naturally assume you are better in every way.

    And I stick to my response to your superiority – you are not right in the head if you believe your rights supersede mine.

  • Anonymous

    authentic democracy is shown well by the oldest street-corner
    democracy in the world, the thousand-year democracy of iceland. and yes,
    mob rule when necessary. after years of left-liberal leaders including a
    lesbian poet of genius (when did we last have genius leadership?), the y
    foolishly elected a reaganomics type who invested everything they had
    and then, after years of great in-the-black economy, it all went poof!
    with the economic disaster. and unlike prozac mall americans… the
    icelandics literally walked in and ousted the president and all of
    parliament; forbade them to ever hold office and charged some in the
    courts. as my beloved ben franklin said, “true democracy is usually a
    mess.” as mao tse tung said, “revolution is not a tea party.” it was
    also franklin said ‘the parties must be almost diametrically opposed on
    the issues or it is not a democracy at all.”

    jefferson said “the prerequisites for democracy are a well-educated and
    truthfully informed people.” and depending on which annual survey you
    use, the US is now either 26th or 49th in the world of education…
    bulgaria is 48th… and in 2007 teh US dept of education study showed
    that in actuality, the average high school grad had read just 68 pages
    of history total! (i’ve read over 20,000 pages history, including
    tthousands of pages by or about the great american and other
    revolutionaries of history.

    and again jefferson, “any government which makes a policy of
    long-keeping secrets from its public is no longer working in the
    interests of its people.” but he more succinctly said “only criminals
    and tyrants require secrecy.” and in 2006, the US made over 33 million
    documents top secret and who knows how many at less secrecy. so
    uneducated and ill-informed but still voting.

    and even the vicious indian-killer george washington righlty said that
    “a democratic society cannot long exist in teh presence of a standing
    army.” 235 years of standing army ago. and as the indian wars continued
    until 1900… just 40 years of peace in US history… if you call it
    peace when the US govt backs such as the fascist franco of spain
    1935-1977 and backed south african apartheid until it s dying gasp in
    1993… that’s peace?

    hence not a democracy at all by definition. not at all ‘freedom and
    democracy’ but fiefdom and demockery.

    it is apparent that you do not present solutions and never give any
    historical or other astute, scholarly references. feels like fox news,
    just insults and rhetoric.

  • Anonymous

    i also went on to say that at this point, most americans are somewhat
    unbalanced… that’s no new thing, either. in 1872, a herald-tribune
    large multi-city survey found that 70% of americans favored the complete
    extermination of every single native person… hasn’t changed a whit…
    the focus of genocide has just changed from indians to moslems or
    whoever today’s ‘enemy’ is. that is a society with terminal rabies which
    will go on to create arsenals of WMDs capable of destroying the earth
    3,000 times over with nukes and CBWs, lasers, etc. any people who allow
    and support such madness are not of sound minds… prozac-television
    fed… me, i never favor genocide and know most wars are lie-based
    powermongering.

    i have in no way shape or form suggested i have more rights than you.
    indeed, what rights? like the black guy’s hat says, ‘you have the right
    to remain silent.’

    look, i’m busily putting together a company to manufacture affordable,
    portable, instant structures for disasters hosuing, makeshift hospitals
    or schools. what are you doing to help a shattered world? why are you
    so caustic to those who are not caustic to you first? do something useful.

  • Jaimie11

    Most all you have stated here is why I do not support the left/right divide. By the way, you have yet to apologize for stating that people who own guns are not entirely sane – something you then denied when I confronted you with it, have not yet owned up to, and which you are apparently avoiding so as to fill space with all the reasons why you do not need to concede that you are wrong.

  • Anonymous

    most americans, as i said, are the sorts who endorsed the complete
    extemination of every single indian. videogame gun-nuts? you how much
    history under your belt?

  • Jaimie11

    That’s the environment you live in – most Americans are easily manipulated. But your telling me I am not entirely sane because my decision about something that affects me is different from yours – well, that is not entirely sane.

  • Anonymous

    arm yourself to the teeth and see what it does for you and yours.
    banditos? right, you’re gonna handle them real well. government agents
    or cops… hahahaha. more likely shoot self in foot or worse. had a
    buddy bought a high-tech crossbow against my advice… got stolen with
    his prints on it… guess where he is now? sucker…

  • Jaimie11

    I don’t think I will talk to you again. You do not admit your errors. You and your friend should take better care of your property. Take responsibility for yourselves, you walking catastrophes. Nasty fools both, I would guess.

  • Anonymous

    been in the wealthiest neighborhhod in america for 27 years. got a
    dozen letters of reference in 4 blocks. saved old women from muggers and
    kids from reform school. you? i make corrections weekly when data comes
    better. nasty fool is something rude, ignorant folk call their educated,
    informed educators. do go. back to your walmart job?

  • Taleisin

    As Hillary says, ‘There’s too much money in it’.

    America can not simply rely on foreign sales of weapons. Domestic consumption will always keep the industry healthy. It’s just good business. And when you make it a part of the culture, like having a battle hymn for a national anthem, it’s very good for business.

  • Jaimie11

    Is that all you’ve got? You’re rich and I’m not quite white enough for you? Must be lonely up there in the mansion.

  • Anonymous

    considering your insults to the effect that i’m stupid and crazy…
    still no word from you as to what you are doing for the world or its
    people or life. we’ve worked thousands of hours for free or at cost for
    a dozen causes, including anti-war, environment, wildlife, native
    rights, gay rights, women’s rights, civil and human rights… i’ve saved
    a homeless man’s life by getting the teamsters union to pay him his back
    pension they’d been screwing him out of… now he’s upstate in a nice
    home and even got his teeth. you? what do you do for a living? hammer on
    people who actually do something good?

  • Jaimie11

    Let me remind you of what I first responded to, which you insist is the only sane position. Arrogant and oppressive, classist and racist too, you evidence no clue of your error and persist in it, refusing to admit it is error. You do not have more rights than another just because you are wealthy and white. No amount of good work can change your false sense of superiority. Nor will your undermining our constitutional rights make you a better person.

    “3. most americans who own guns are not entirely sane beings.”

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