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Ron Paul: ‘Government is in the process of failing’

By Nathan Diebenow
Friday, February 11, 2011 20:04 EDT
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Is he running for US Senate? Is he signaling his bid for US president? Or is he hinting at something deeper within the US political climate?

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) sounded like he was about to hit the campaign trail again during his speech at a right-wing forum Friday, but before he left the podium, he warned Americans that their federal government was in trouble.

“Tragically, you’re going to have the opportunity [to not ask the federal government for anything], because government is in the process of failing, and they can’t deliver on the goods, just as the Soviets couldn’t deliver the goods and maintain their own power,” he said during the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Rep. Paul continued, “We will have those same problems domestically. We face serious economic problems as this dollar crisis evolves.”

Paul has hinted in recent weeks that he might seek the Senate seat that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison plans to vacate after nearly two decades in Congress. If he should win, he would join his newly-elected son, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.

However, Paul, 75, seemed to be cultivating his position in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party.

“I’m glad to see that the revolution is continuing,” he said, adding, “We don’t need to just change political parties. We need to change our philosophy about what this country is all about.”

Paul drew thunderous applause for bashing his favorite targets: the Patriot Act, US aid to foreign nations, and US military bases overseas. After his call for the Federal Reserve banking system to be audited, the crowd chanted, “End the Fed! End the Fed!”

Paul became the chair of the House financial services subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology after Republicans retook the House last fall. He held his first meeting on the Federal Reserve this week.

“The Federal Reserve will end itself,” he added. “They have eliminated 98 percent of value of the 1913 dollar, and it’s continued erosion.”

Paul used the newly-extended Patriot Act as a sign that grassroots activists were pulling the grip on power away from Washington.

“We didn’t get a majority vote, but they didn’t pass it automatically with a 2/3rds majority vote, sending a message that this country is waking up,” he said. “We want to protect our civil liberties as well as our economic liberties.”

Paul, who was the only Republican to bring up the situation in Egypt at the conference, blamed US foreign aid to other countries for the instability in the United States, and he warned that the revolutionary spirit against US-backed dictators sweeping the Middle East would soon envelop Saudi Arabia.

“All of the Middle East is unstable because of this [foreign aid],” he said.

Paul continued, “Now it’s Tunisia. Next it’s Egypt. And it’s going to keep going because all the problems are there because the people don’t like us propping up their dictators, no more than we would like it if a foreign country came here to prop up a dictator in our country.”

The conference was not without its own revolution. On Thursday, Paul’s supporters chanted “war criminal” at former Vice President Dick Cheney, who is seen as one of the masterminds behind the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“Defend liberty,” Paul closed.

This video was published at YouTube, broadcast Feb. 11, 2011, via RonPaul2008dotcom.

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul couldn’t even hold his grassrooting teaparty together against the strength of an alcoholic without a clue long enough to defeat even a second vote on the Patriot Act. What a farce this stooge is. I fear the press is grooming Ron Paul to be the Christine O’Donnell of the next election cycle, the joke who doesn’t have a chance but sucks all the coverage from most of the other candidates with the daily stories.

    I am beginning to wish that at least Raw Story would wait to do another story on him until after he has actually done something new instead of every time he says something that sounds more like Glenn Beck than any other character on the political scene.

    Here comes the “Ron Paul is GOD” crowd now, better run before I get run over!

  • Anonymous

    ..of course it will fail. Printing more money is not the solution and trillions in debt may never be paid back.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    RUN, RON, RUN! 2012!!!!!!

  • Guest

    Actually, I’m at a loss about Mr. Paul. He says some good things and says some “Right-Winger” things. I mean, he has some “liberal” ideas but here he is right at home speaking to CPAC. I get confused about where he really stands.

  • piltdown

    Yeah, and don’t stop running when you hit the border.

    Ron Paul’s proposals might sound good piece-by-piece, but when taken together would make Somalia look like a bastion of civility and central-organization.

  • piltdown

    Neither will moving to an economy system which can’t shrink or expand.

    Why do morons keep thinking that just because the currency is “tied” to some resource mined in another country that it will stabilize the markets or make the income disparities any less severe?

  • piltdown

    He’s a whack-job.

    Again, a few of his ideas might sound acceptable when taken separately, but if all of his proposals were enacted, we’d be right in the middle of a second “Gilded Age”.

    But then I think that’s the intention of the libertarians.

  • Guest

    Run in 2012. I’ll vote for you again.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    Because we were fed the “right” and “left” all our lives instead of what’s right and wrong. Both conservatives and liberals agree on 90% of the issues in real life, the illusion is to make each side believe we should move to polar opposites of each issue. To come together is deeply dangerous to our government. Watch the video.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t have to be gold. It could be a basket of commodities. It is just that the Constitution SAYS gold.

  • Guest

    Well said, Sandra. Thank you.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/L5PHKRPFHK3LLTRDNVH2ZBIWOA Cal

    As a Canadian, and former Texas resident, I fully support Ron Paul. He has consistently shown himself as a man of extreme integrity and a true patriot. He has steadfastly shown his ability to speak the truth about the American condition. I may not agree with everything he supports, but he outclasses every other American politician with his sincere love of country. Good Luck Ron!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UAYWWQ6PIS523OZNUGILXEGOPU Patty

    Oh? is that so, Mr. Paul? The Repugs and YOU were in office for years. If you think it is wise to shut down the ‘Evil Government’, go ahead! You and your fellow Repugs will be tossed out in record time. You can tell all our soldiers and seniors and other workers who won’t get their checks, that YOU beleive the ‘Government’ is failing. They will not be forgiven

  • Anonymous

    We clearly live in a world where words like Truth, Justice, Patriot,Liberty, have been bastardized into derogatory terms. Government sucks! We need a lot more Ron Pauls in there right now!

  • Anonymous

    Nice Speech!

    See in this video below the other Branch supporting the Strong in “National Defense” criteria. Featuring : Dick Cheney (The Mummy) and Rumy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOaTdZLCELE

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EZ4W5CDCIVXKIIKESYBN2EP6VE brian

    If he were to really be elected, without popular support in Congress, he would not be able to do very much. What he would be able to do, is dismantle the empire, and maybe take down the fed. He could also accomplish drug decriminalization on the federal level, but would need congress for legalization. I bet you can agree with that agenda, but probably disagree on all else, but Congress would be a big check on virtually everything else..

    If he were to be true to his word, he would immediately make an executive order declaring all exec orders unconstitutional.

  • Jaimie11

    Excellent Sandra. Thank you.

  • Jaimie11

    may – MAY never be paid back. You are optimistic, aren’t you? :-)

  • Jaimie11

    You are horribly brainwashed and narrow minded. What a waste.

  • Anonymous

    Well he did manage to get partial auditing of the FED after his bill was watered down as expected by the cronies he works with. Honestly what do you expect the man to do when most of his peers are against bettering the country they govern. I see your objections to many of Ron Pauls ideas, but is he really that bad when you look at the current political spectrum. At least you can label the man “principled” even if you disagree with his policies. Which in many ways is where the country has to start if it is going to fix the problems it has accumulated over the years.

  • Anonymous

    its not government that sucks. it’s the people in government who don’t believe in what they are doing that suck. the alternative is have haliburton run everything. gov’t will work if we make bribery a capitol offense like they did in Athens in 400 BC.

  • Jaimie11

    I’ll never forget a few years ago, I saw a young vibrant college student standing on top of a wall at a Libertarian rally. He was holding a sign above his head that said, “Dr. Paul cured my apathy!”

    I am so glad young people are moved by this man, Dr. Paul. It bodes well for our future.

  • Anonymous

    That is my sense, once I get beyond his anti-war stance he is really a nightmare and he really can’t appeal to a majority outside of the South.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t Obama make some great speeches, too!

  • Jaimie11

    Aw, quit your griping. That is not what would happen. Other solutions would be put in place by the PEOPLE, not the government, and only then would government programs start being reduced over time. No one would suffer during the transition any more than they do now under the current system of demeaning welfare and medicare delivery.

    There are other ways to help people who need help, and other ways to organize for our own health care and education, and anything else we want and need. Keep our money in our communities and spend it as we wish – don’t let Washington get its dirty hands on it.
    They skim too much off the top.

    For instance here is a health care cooperative that has been in business since 1957. I have friends who are members. They love it.

    http://www.healthpartners.com/portal/3.html

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UM75UT6SBQFK2O6OFTHZMZIGTM Corey Sittig

    So under Paul I can pay 10% of my income for 0% of services from the government…uh fuck no!!! Why would I pay for something that gives nothing in return? (17:40 mark of the video) Why would I pay for a government I choose not to take part of? No thanks, I can currently not pay taxes if I don’t agree with the system, paying 10% to do the same thing seems like a huge step backwards.

  • Jaimie11

    No, government sucks. It is dangerous when it gets too large, useful only when it is small.

    George Washington said, “A government is like fire, a handy servant, but a dangerous master.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UM75UT6SBQFK2O6OFTHZMZIGTM Corey Sittig

    yeah then did the complete opposite of them after getting elected, it’s the American way

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s it, if I hadn’t been fed all that left and right stuff all my life instead of right and wrong I would think his stance on abortion is great; I would really love his position on the EPA; and I would be completely enamored with his stance regarding the feasibility of eliminating most financial regulations because the banks are always one step ahead of the investigators anyway so trying to regulate them is just a huge waste of resources.

    Yeah, all that is right and everything I believe about the role of government is wrong and that is why I don’t like his positions. I wish I had been brought up thinking in terms of right and wrong then I would love Ron Paul and realize that he really is GOD, just because he wants to end the war!

    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=ron_pauls_abortion_rhetoric

  • Anonymous

    As much as I support Paul on some issues (a few: like dismantling empire, patriot act), I recommend all you Paul fans to please read Krugman regarding Paul’s economics issues. He may be right about auditing the Fed, but he is very, very wrong (imo) about monetary policy. Also, the gold standard in not the answer, and the debate about it, imo, is not even in the top 20 issue for America.
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/johnny-reb-economics/

  • Anonymous

    why do you pay for things now and get nothing in return?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    This is a place for comments, not a novel. If you think your opinion is so important, write a blog and see how many clicks you receive.

  • Guest

    “…make an executive order declaring all exec orders unconstitutional.”

    Huh?????????

  • Anonymous

    Our current gubmnt, expanded to it’s biggest size ever under bu$h, is too big to fail.

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind that libertarians are neo-confederates at the core, and basically want to be shed of the yankee gubmnt. Google about them, you’ll see for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and, by definition, are traitors at the core.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and are, by definition, traitors at the core.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and are, by definition, traitors.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and are, by definition, traitors at the core.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    what the fuck kind of revolution involves you voting? Your fucking brainwashed. Second, Mr. Paul wants to eliminate more than just the fed. He wants to eliminate all social programs including minimum wage. Thats right. just another Texan who wants zero governance at all. I’m all for eliminating the FED but for real this guy isn’t the answer.

    He’s a corporate puppet and i bet you he is super tied into the gold companies like gold line.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UM75UT6SBQFK2O6OFTHZMZIGTM Corey Sittig

    I get quite a bit in return. When I call the police they come. When I call the fire department they come. The roads I drive on, I did not build. The infrastructure for water, sewage, and the electrical grid…

    There is a lot of waste in government like any large institution, burning it down isn’t the anwser.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    your inability to see any other possibilities besides government and corporate rule shows your lack of creativity.

    How about a democratic owned and run business? How about using consumer demand make such things the dominant force in the world?

  • Iconoclasm

    Shut your pie hole!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    Yeah, well why do you have to destroy any and all government in order to support cooperatives or find other solutions guy?

    You people are too radical. Anarchy! Anarchy! The free market’s invisible hand will provide for us. bull shit. capitalism doesnt work. there needs to be some sort of watch dog. otherwise everything falls to a third world nation. a few rich owners and the rest are slaves.

  • Iconoclasm

    That is one of the stupidest and most moronic comments I have ever read! The dumbing down of America is clear by your stupidity!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    When the likes of Glenn Greenwald is entirely devoted to the delusions of the execrable Paul family, it is time to play Taps for the American intellect.

    Libertarianism is the quintessence of the antisocial, delusion-based fantasia that the Repuglicans have been peddling since Reagan and Goldwater and long before. If the country buys this crap, it will cease to function period, Dame Edna to the contrary notwithstanding.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    welll, you could just back it by the resources the businesses are producing. Like a coupon. Make the banks and the the businesses work together. this dollar is good for one chair which is equal to 40 U.S. dollars. get it? money is debt is labor. thats all money is. Labor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Drivel

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Bullshit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    And thank you, Dame Edna

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Ron Paul is a joke. He is a compendium of the delusions the Republicans have been feeding America ever since Bill McKinley.

    The reality about civil liberties is this: There can be no civil liberties without social equality. Full stop. The Floundering Bothers based the franchise under the Constitution on white male property ownership. Even with a Bill of Rights, the government of the United States was designed to be–and is–nothing more that a disguise for the lawless depredations of the ruling classes.

    Libertarianism, being blind to this, is the perfect mask for its depredations. No functgioning system of society, anarchist or otherwise, has ever come of it or can ever come of it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Of course it is. They don’t believe their horseshit any more than the other Republicans do. It’s merely a way to silence criticism.

    But give them their Golden Day. It will be a disaster without parallel in history.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not so much about “government failing” as it is the Republiklanner obstructionists throwing every monkey wrench they can find into the gears…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You sound more and more like Dame Edna Everage with every passing day.

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    Ron Paul is “the goods”. His views remind me of a book entitled “The Balkanization of America”.
    Take a look at the Red states on a map then compare it to a map of the Confederate states…….
    It ain’t over yet!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T6UU3PU6TWN6PDXMSGAVGFSOIA Desssie

    Wow! You’re right, you’re so much smarter than the rest of us, we should listen to what you say.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T6UU3PU6TWN6PDXMSGAVGFSOIA Desssie

    Ron Paul, a corporate puppet….you’re clueless….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T6UU3PU6TWN6PDXMSGAVGFSOIA Desssie

    Wow! you again…….clueless

  • Anonymous

    “Didn’t Obama make some great speeches, too! ”

    Indeed. He fooled me once!

    Here for eaxple he is saying: “WAR IS GOOD”…. while getting the peace prize

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8ewLUL_F0

  • Anonymous

    No we are not. Idiot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJG7CFKLPNKAHETCZHP7YUSXTU paisano

    ron paul is from east texas he wants to end all entitlements and guess keep our taxes that have paID HIS SALARY AND INSURANCE benefits for the last 29something years inthe hour he got fat of our taxes we pay in texas for his retirement he prbably has fattened his wallet inthe past 20 years he,s been representing east texas those red necks are about as rascist as they can get and fly the confederae flag neoconfederates is right he caters to the red necks rwing extremists in the gop ,uckfing teabagkkking hillbilles rela americas and true patriots uess he along with mitch mcconnell and eic cantor want america to fault and cuase aworld wide calamanity and it wont be pretty endtime dominionists

  • Anonymous

    After this last election of course the Federal Government is failing the wrong party
    got control of the house but that will be fixed in 2012 when the Americans get there
    Government back.

  • Anonymous

    Delusional, for the most part, although he has it about right concerning the American Empire.

    What RP doesn’t mention is that the foreign aid to places like Egypt and Israel (the biggest recipients), as well as profits from oil sales to the US, come back to the US in the form of purchases of military hardware, driving the military-industrial-governmental complex and without which the US economy would tank in its present state.

  • Iconoclasm

    Take a good look in the mirror if you want to see retardation and inbreeding. LOL!

    If you supported Obama in the last election, you were real smart! BushCo policies all the way and then some!

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and therefore are, by definition, traitors at their core. They just want to be free from the yankee gubmnt. All against gubmnt and, by extrapolation, laws are criminals. Who else hates gubmnt and laws? The mafia, gangs, drug dealers, businessmen…

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates and are, by definition, traitors at their core.

  • Anonymous

    It’ll never be over for libertarians who are neo-confederates.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates who only care about hating the yankee gubmnt.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Mark (MarkusGarvey) Estrada

    In the future, please just post short summary and a link.Thanks

  • Iconoclasm

    Shut up!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EZ4W5CDCIVXKIIKESYBN2EP6VE brian

    I wish we could discuss this over a beer so I could try to convince you this is utter bullshit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    tom hartmann has it right; libertarians are republicans who want to smoke weed and get laid.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    yeah, this is the same crowd that gave a standing ovation to dick cheney.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    you want to post that again…..we didn’t get it the first six times.

  • Anonymous

    you must be pretty smart. I like smart people like you who can quickly judge and size up another person with an opinion. We do have something in common tho – we both care enuf to have an opinion. There’s several hundred people who will read this but won’t have the balls to put their 2 cents in because they fear that gov’t might start tracking them. I suggest you read the History of the Peloponnesian Wars. It’s the same thing we have been going thru in the last 30 years. It all started when Reagan declared war on the middle class. the war is about over, and the ruling elite, just like sparta, have all but to declare victory. Sparta was controlled by a ruling wealthy elite and despised the consensus based system Athens developed. Our consensus based system is done.
    Perhaps you could enlighten me on your system. If we don’t run things ourselves thru gov’t (consensus and faith in the average persons ability to work thru problems and survive) then you are stuck with corporate control. Even tho i’m really dumb, i would like more details on your system. If it’s better i’ll wave your flag too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    under libertarians, rich people would get schools, opportunity and health care. poor neighborhoods would get drugs, walmarts, and die in the streets.

    libertarianism is capitalism with no restrictions, rules, or restraints. hand’s off government. we’ve tried that since reagan. how did it work out?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    he would also try to completely defund public schools, hospitals, social security, medicare, and anything else that is for the common good. take libertarianism to its extreme, and you are putting out your own fires and building your own roads. it might work on a 10 square mile island, but in a nation of half a billion people covering half a continent, it is a pipe dream. not to mention completely unregulated banks and financial institutions.

    let’s just go back to the days of charles dickens and see how everyone likes laissez faire government.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    ron paul is the ralph nader of the republican party.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    “the feasibility of eliminating most financial regulations because the banks are always one step ahead of the investigators anyway so trying to regulate them is just a huge waste of resources.”

    “well, under glass steagal, things were a hell of a lot better than they are now. i say regulate them up the ass. if they find loopholes, close them. if they cheat, jail them.

  • Anonymous

    you want a revolution, because a person or bill didn’t get voted in? Sounds anti-democratic to me.

  • Anonymous

    Government in the process of failing? Hardly.

    What the demagogues of both parties (and wannbe 3rd parties) want is for the public to believe that “government” has failed to justify their further savaging of that government and its institutions.

    What has been intentionally destroyed is our electoral process wherein two non-constitutional corrupted political parties control all access to power and give us choices between red prostitutes and blue prostitutes – all to ready to sell the power vested in them to the highest bidders in order to maintain their positions with no concern for the collateral damage done to the nation, its constitutional law, or its people at large. Libertarians, like Paul, are just another version of the same advocates of non-regulation that have allowed the national and multi-national conglomerates to destroy our industries, our economy, our politics, and our society.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EHGDGVB6A5HWSWQRMUVUQEJ74Q Phil

    I think your completely missing the point..The point is many people are paying 25%+ of their income in taxes already and get nothing in return. If you like the system stay in it and good luck to you..I for 1 would be happy to opt out of a failing financial system.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EHGDGVB6A5HWSWQRMUVUQEJ74Q Phil

    Yes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EHGDGVB6A5HWSWQRMUVUQEJ74Q Phil

    I think people with that simplistic view is what got this country on the edge of disaster in the 1st place.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EHGDGVB6A5HWSWQRMUVUQEJ74Q Phil

    The Age of Enlightenment (or simply the Enlightenment) is the era in Western philosophy, intellectual, scientific and cultural life, centered upon the 18th century, in which reason was advocated as the primary source for legitimacy and authority. It is also known as the Age of Reason.[1]

    Developing simultaneously in France, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the American colonies, the movement culminated in the Atlantic Revolutions, especially the success of the American Revolution, which resulted in independence from the British Empire

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Anonymous

    There is a serious financial problem looming that no one else seems willing to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    I hope you aren’t implying that social equality exists today?

    Also, when was the last time the ‘Libertarian’ position was even employed, to allow you to be so certain that it would be a “disaster without parallel?” Are you really implying that what we have today is *not* a “disaster without parallel?”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    you sound like a broken record, and traitor you say? RP is but one person that basis his vote on the constitution when voting for any bill. Show me anyone else that does that and then we can discuss who the “real” traitors are.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    stop playing the R/L game, it’s over. Obama has continued Bush’s war policies and spending and just now spent us into oblivion with a deficit in the trillions. so GO F yourself already.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    can you go back to huffpost, they are still searching for more idiots to fill up their posts…Take your stupid partisan nonsense elsewhere, we here like to have civilized debate on the issues instead of this L / R nonsense you like to spew all day long.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    you don’t get it. those are ALL state, the feds don’t fix your roads, and they don’t give money to your local FD/PD. Most of the fed taxes you pay go to the interest on the principle that the FED Reserver has loaned out to gov. to then give to you in dollars. You hold debt in your wallet. Anyhow, I digress, the point is the Fed’s DO NOT pay for shit, it’s the states and locals that do.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Eliminating minimum wage is a great thing. The market should decide, instead of state sanctioned slavery, that’s what you have with that wage, but you are too blind to see it. Corporate puppet? He has been calling for the end of the corporate/fascist state for as long as I remember…..he is against the pay to play politics that interfere with the market, and make corporations more powerful squeezing out the little guy. YOU REALLY NEED TO DO BETTER RESEARCH DUDE.

  • Anonymous

    Kucinich?

  • Anonymous

    Dude… you should prob post that same thought about 50 more times… NOT.

  • Anonymous

    The police and fire depts come when you call? You must live in one of the “privileged” ‘hoods…

  • Anonymous

    “Eliminating minimum wage is a great thing. The market should decide, instead of state sanctioned slavery…”

    The market will decide that you get $0.50/hr for picking strawberries, and $1.50/hr for working at Wallmart… How exciting… And that would be just great.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s all it was… A speech. IMO. Oh, and it was “nice” too.

  • Anonymous

    Yea… consumers are real intelligent people, and their demands should be met, no matter the consequences.

  • Anonymous

    A “feel good I am the savior” speech.

    He should go count his gold.

    That was, even more accurately, a “Let’s go back to the gold standard because me and my buddies own all the gold” speech. And the naive sheeple will vote for him with a golden sparkle in their eyes.

    Don’t worry sheeples RP loves you and he cares about you and wants you to buy more gold to drive up the price, so he can get a little richer, but he’ll look after you, just like the Koch brothers, etc.

    This is a Love Story… awwwww, how sweet and generous the naive sheeple are. They buy into just about anything we sell them, how cute.

  • Wombat Weatheraxe

    And Ron Paul is doing his best to make certain it does.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. Cheney derided as a war criminal at a REPUBLICAN rally. There is a God.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    That’s the come-on. Keep your hand on your wallet.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Sure. Bring on the barter system!! Ron Paul is a degenerate and a crackpot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    It’s a petty-bourgeois delusion–a wonderland of Mom and Pop stores and Farmers Brown and Green trading flax for apples. Just close your eyes and all that nasty complexity just vanishes!

    Socialism now and forever!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Absolutely. Because their theories take no account of reality, the libertarians offer a perfect screen for the depredations of the Koch brothers and their subhuman kind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Civilized debate? From you? I suppose your pee smells of violets, too. You’re a fraud and a hypocrite and you are deliberately covering up for criminals.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You know what they say about a stopped clock. Ron Paul is a stopped clock gazing with infatuation into a cracked mirror.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    The man is a racist, an anti-scientific loon, and the paid agent of the Koch Brothers, who seek to destroy society itself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    And what do you “basis your vote” on, Dr. Johnson?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Rand Paul is a mad dog who ought to be put down. But maybe you know some woman whose skull you’d like to see trampled.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Take the burr out of your ass. You have nothing to say.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    How does Obama being a right-winger make Right and Left obsolete? Saying the Left is obsolete in America is like saying Jews are obsolete in Germany.

    But of course, you’re nothing but a glib halfwit who likes meaningless catch-phrases and shiny bling.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You are what we say you are. Shove the attitude up your ass.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5GCX6PQO3UGSZDWDK6I6CPLCGI Travis the second

    Me thinks the lady doth protest too much… you are a villain and a fraud. Paul’s logic is undeniable and will see fruition. You are on the wrong side of history.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5GCX6PQO3UGSZDWDK6I6CPLCGI Travis the second

    You sir, are a simple racist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    And they want to enact their childish hallucinations into law. Which will of course be enforced with hellish might. “The state? What state?” Sure, baby.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Of course there’s nothing simplistic about Libertarianism. It takes genius to pop out of a clock and sing “Cuckoo.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5GCX6PQO3UGSZDWDK6I6CPLCGI Travis the second

    Hmm…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Your mother probably thought that was brilliant. Guess what? We aren’t your mother.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You know they’re intellectuals when they start their posts with “lol.” What creeps!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    If you’re a libertarian, you don’t get anything at all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Suuuuuuuuuuure. Plus Ron Paul knows a guy who can dowse you up a well!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You can tell this asshole’s a genius by the idiotic way he keeps repeating the word “stupid.”

    Thanks for demonstrating the scope of Libertarian intellect, Leonardo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Who put you in charge, dimwit?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    He liked being a master. That’s why he practiced slavery. Some role-model!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    If you have any brains at all, Ron Paul sounds like nonsense from start to finish. No serious person takes this drivel seriously.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    As many others have pointed out, Ron Paul will address the evils of capitalism (which has never existed in any but a corrupt and corporate form) by declaring that no such evils exist and removing all the inadequate protections that society has had to erect against them.

    This will afford the perfect screen for the puppet masters, the Kochs, and their subhuman kind to do as they please while the morons are mesmerized by Paul’s antics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    How insipid can you get? What a fraud.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Well, then: THAT makes it sacred.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    When this delusion proves as catastrophic as the Reagan delusion, they’ll move on to another delusion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Did you say, “absolute nadir”?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    I don’t agree with conservatives about anything. I’d thank God for that, but God does not exist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You’d think nobody could take that nonsense seriously. But there are perfectly intelligent people who believe that Jesus actually existed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Well, don’t bet money on it. “Nobody ever went broke” et cetera.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You should read more carefully. It would also help if you learned to write straightforwardly.

    Today’s situation is not a “disaster without parallel.” It’s the inevitable consequence of capitalist development. There is much worse to come. Removing all checks on capitalism would create a disaster without parallel.

    But hey–all your kind have to do is go to the Moon, and you can live forever on all the green cheese you just know you’ll find there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EMLFKLALZHF7EBYUQXHUHQOATQ Tony

    The war on terror, like the war on drugs, was designed to bankrupt this country. Welcome to the New Weird Odor. Atlas Continues to shrug.

  • Anonymous

    Robert Burned -

    You must know that America has been a socialist country for many many years or are you just stupid?

    socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:
    ● Social Security
    ● Medicare/Medicaid
    ● State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
    ● Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
    ● US Postal Service
    ● Roads and Highways
    ● Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
    ● The US Railway System
    ● Public Subways and Metro Systems
    ● Public Bus and Light rail Systems
    ● Rest Areas on Highways
    ● Sidewalks
    ● All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa 2009 federal senate
    appropriations–http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
    ● Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower, dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
    ● Public and State Universities and Colleges
    ● Public Primary and Secondary Schools
    ● Sesame Street
    ● Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
    ● Public Museums
    ● Libraries
    ● Public Parks and Beaches
    ● State and National Parks
    ● Public Zoos
    ● Unemployment Insurance
    ● Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
    ● Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From Local, State or
    Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
    ● Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of them)
    ● Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
    ● Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking
    ● Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed With, Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government Subsidies
    ● Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That Contain Inputs
    From Government Subsidies
    ● If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forgo my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care
    I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
    I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to:
    ● Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History
    ● The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
    ● The government-operated Statue of Liberty
    ● The Grand Canyon
    ● The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
    ● The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery
    ● All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC
    I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forgo their government salary and
    government-provided health care.
    I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United States of America.
    I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for our socialist army.
    I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.
    Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks.
    Upon reaching age 65, I will forgo Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ODHDTSN5TFE24TZS22LJWXHO6I Rash Lameballs

    Well Ron,isn’t it your party that wants the government to fail?Just asking.

  • parrots_abound

    FEDERAL TAXES pay for NONE of the things you mentioned.

    And being that you didn’t know that, I submit you don’t have a job, don’t earn money, never have, or have been too stupid to think about where your tax dollars are going (?)

  • Iconoclasm

    Yeah, I’m an asshole and you’re braindead!

  • Anonymous

    Robert you got burned and now you are burnt. Are you that ignorant that you don’t believe Jesus existed? Intelligent people might question his divinity, but there is no doubt he existed the same as you and I. I used to laugh when people called others shills, but after reading all your comments and viewing your account profile. I am pretty sure you are sitting in a government cubicle paid to troll forums and leave endless mindless establishment drIvel as comments

    You are pathetic

  • Anonymous

    Are you alsO a seer?

  • Anonymous

    You are delusional Robert. You have swallOwed all the rhetoric whole. Do you get all of your opinions and talking points fr msnbc?

  • Anonymous

    Spoken like true paid shill

  • Anonymous

    Hard to believe that much naïveté can be present in One libtard

  • Anonymous

    Must be cool to be able to see into the future. How did you become omnicient?

  • Anonymous

    I am canadian and libertarian. Can I still be a neo confederate?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTnYCg8v8o Bamboo_Harvester

    Ain’t that truth … he’s just another POS from texasshole

  • Anonymous

    How about the Obama delusion

  • Anonymous

    Therefore. The only higher power you subscribe too is government. Now I am starting to understand why you are so pathetic. You have placed flesh and blood man in control of your life. You are nothing but a castrated slave man. Useless to anyone but your master.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul is a fake and a fraud. Look at him at a CPAC conference . Do you really belief that someone who fights for the People would be at a Conservative rally?

    If you ever want to shut up a Ron or Rand Paul fanatic just bring up the fact that both father and son wants to bring back discrimination againt women, race, and disability, which goes against the very philosophy of the Declaration of Independence. The Paul fanatics will then foam at the mouth and spew venom at you the messenger and not the message.

    The Pauls are free market anarchist which means “screw the people”. You cannot be a free market anarchist and at the same time be a team player playing for “We the People”. You cannot serve two masters with competing interests.

    We know which master the Pauls serve. They are on the side of the owners of production, no matter how much the owners of production hurts the People of this nation the Pauls will screw the People. That is why the Pauls are liked by the right wing. The Pauls wants you to suck on the end of a car exhaust pipe, they don’t want you to have clean air.

  • parrots_abound

    Ron Paul speaks and people say “Nah, that couldn’t happen in our beloved America”. And the people that dog Libertarians as “Gold and Silver addicts” or laugh at the thought of the hedging power of precious metals have either A) Never owned any B) Not read the reports on how it’s value out performs paper across the board for CENTURIES C) Aren’t aware how groups like J.P. Morgan are manipulating the prices and every piece of Silver we buy breaks them because they have to produce the physical Silver, which they LIED about and don’t own.

    See Max Keiser..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCM7rMIqxmk

    Yet what I find disturbing is the self proclaimed Socialists that jump on any Ron Paul thread and bash the man with nonsense and slander.

    I know you hate Entrepreneurship and the individual. I know you hate the thought of responsibility and not being a burden to your fellow man and neighbors.

    Many of you are ideological KIDS who are victims of most likely State funded public colleges, where you learn nothing of these matters and waste your efforts in getting “Liberal Arts” degrees which can’t help you in the real world now that the game has changed. I understand, it sucks.

    I understand you come from a home or family which always just got by, and maybe your parents had no real vision for something greater. I understand that you’ve been taught that “rich people” are evil and all business owners are vampires that clinch their hands like Monty Burns and snicker at poor people.

    I understand you don’t get that the major “owners of production” (teehee) at the top % are in LEAGUE with the Government and raking in profits on the backs of the middle and lower classes, which is akin to FASCISM.

    I understand you have angst because you were never taught about money, how leverage works, cost/benefit analysis (which is a life and social skill) or how money and wealth are two different things. I get it, I see it.

    I understand that you think the STATE has goodies to offer you and that the individual is a lowly slimy creature which should only be viewed as far as their ‘labor’ goes. And that the individual is overrated and stupid. I also get you think how all people who want self determination or somehow all plotting like Goldman Sachs Executives (who all surround Obama…cough) to steal your money, because after all, all Capitalists are evil thieves which love to eat babies and spit on old ladies. Oh wait, the guys at the top aren’t even employing true Capitalism, never mind.

    I get it, you think the “Red Revolution” should come here to the states because all the guys at the top with money, have done bad things. So therefor money is ‘bad’ and it’s MONEY that is the problem, and all those who seek more of it or want to produce jobs for OTHERS to make money, are this big inherently evil cabal of robber barons.

    I get you want more programs from the Gov. I get it should all be free, including no copyright laws so that even all music and art are ‘free’. And musicians and artists should just work for you and charge nothing because you HAVE NO MONEY.

    I get that it’s one big fucking freebee of free shit you’re entitled to. I get that you think that Big Brother knows best for us and how to run programs that are necessary to life functions…I mean they do so well with our money as it is, why not give them more? I get that you don’t see how it’s the STATE that allows and fulfills the machinations of evil which have come from the Forbes 500 elites, yet blame your neighbor for this….and his/her “Capitalist” beliefs.

    I get you’re filled with ideas because you maybe did a paper for school on Marx, or your college buddies and you get around in circles and light huge bowls of green and can’t exhale because your skinny fit jeans are making the blood rush to your head faster and your 3 howling wolf t-shirt you got from amazon costs $25, and you’re pissed because you only get a $50 allowance.

    But do you really have to slander Ron Paul because he is talking about grown up things and you feel inadequate? Or because he knows a LOT more about these subjects than you and that red flier you got at the quad at lunchtime never mentioned these things?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t pigeon hole people and then you won’t get called out for it. I’m no neo confederate. In fact, although I’m a registered libertarian I support a strong social safety net. To assert that ALL Libertarians are neo confederates IS an idiotic thing to say.

    So, tough shit.

  • parrots_abound

    Do you know what a “gold standard” is?

    Please give me the best explanation of it in your own words.

    And please give your synopses of how Gold or Silver is inferior to our current currency, paper money, and how there are a faulty investment to hedge against inflation or dollar devaluation.

    I’m all ears.

  • parrots_abound

    1) Mom and Pop stores are the bad guys? I’m not getting it.

    2) Ron Paul wants a barter system?

    3) Socialism addresses these issues how again?

  • Anonymous

    Actually, it’s interesting that he uses the Present Progressive tense: It is in the process of failing, maybe he could use the Present Perfect Simple: It has failed, or, the Present Perfect Progressive: It has been failing for a long time, or, even better yet, the Past Simple: It failed years ago… Hummmmm… Which one is better suited? Tough call.

  • parrots_abound

    Wait a second, so if I speak against Government…I’m a “criminal”? In the same light as mobsters and gangsters?

    Wow so Anti-War protesters, TSA protesters, bailout protesters, Fed Reserve scam protesters, corruption protesters, civil rights activists, basically anyone who speaks against the “gubmnt” is a ‘criminal”.

    Janet…is that you? Uber Alles…Das Ist Verboten Und Ubel Mein Burger!!!!!

  • parrots_abound

    Maybe because Ron Paul is the only true Conservative there?

    As far as your other statements, I’m sure you won’t mind linking us to articles or statements by Ron Paul to back your claims? And then showing exactly how you derived your conclusions?

    I’ve got time….

  • Anonymous

    Wow… you get a lot a shit, don’t you?

  • Anonymous

    It’s hard to say which is more dangerous… Ron or Rand…

  • parrots_abound

    Citation needed!

  • parrots_abound

    Gotta link for that?

  • parrots_abound

    Is that from Wikipedia?

  • Anonymous

    As Ron Paul ascends, “politics as usual” withers away.

  • Anonymous

    Hummmm… What is a “gold standard”…?

    Well, let us see, wiki: The gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed weight of gold. There are distinct kinds of gold standard. First, the gold specie standard is a system in which the monetary unit is associated with circulating gold coins, or with the unit of value defined in terms of one particular circulating gold coin in conjunction with subsidiary coinage made from a lesser valuable metal.

    So, in my own words I would say there are different types and you can look it up on wiki if you need more info. Next question…

  • parrots_abound

    “Libertarians want to smoke weed and get laid…and end wars, end Federal Reserve scams among the people, end collectivism, end debt, and civil liberties being trampled on, bring back the rule of law for our masters who hide behind it, practice sound money principles, allow the individual to thrive over the State, and improve the standard of living for our children and our neighbors”

    Fixed it for ya

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTnYCg8v8o Bamboo_Harvester

    Dry up ~ Snake Oil Salesman

  • Anonymous

    RP is the new savior? Praise the Lord… Undeniable logic and lots of fruit are coming our way, I guess… How intriguing. He will do away with all those villains and frauds, kinda like Batman, or Superman, or one of those characters, eh?

  • parrots_abound

    In other words, you had to “wiki” the answer and don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about and then put the onus on ME to “look it up” because of your failure.

    FAIL…

    Read more and speak less, that tip is free of charge.

  • parrots_abound

    4:55 in the video

    “Foreign Aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it too the rich people of a poor country”

    Nicely said Mr. Paul

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t have to do anything. But, now that you know what the gold standard is… What is your foul mouthed condescending point? Please…

  • parrots_abound

    In the video, Ron Paul states we propped up a dictator (Mubarak), and that we should stop propping up dictators.

    Yeah, what a “dumb man”.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Paul’s comments confirm what Dr. Stiglitz from Harvard has written that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have already cost the USA $4 TRILLION DOLLAR. Other economists have estimated that maintaining US military in both those two countries daily costs close to $ 360 million. Foreign aid to countries such as Israel, Pakistan, Egypt and others amounts to several billions a year.

    As an example the link below shows what economic benefits each of the 50 states would get as their
    share of the aid given to Israel. Obviously their share would be greater if the same criteria is applied to aid to other countries,

    Check it out for your state. http://www.aidtoisrael.org/section.php?id=323

  • Anonymous

    ” I know you hate the thought of responsibility and not being a burden to your fellow man and neighbors.”

    Have you ever checked out the Wal-Mart thread?

    The Gulf Oil Crisis was a burden, Boehner and the U.S Chamber of Commerce had this brilliant idea that the tax payers should take all the burden, pay for the clean up and leave the profits to B.P.

    The privatized wars Iraq and Afghanistan is a burden on the tax payers because the private contractors are ripping off the tax payers.

    The pollution, bad water, bad food such as samonella, e coli is a burden on the people because the owners of production doesn’t want regulations.

    Turning the economy into a Wall St Casino ended up to be a burden on the people because when it came to a choice to help the people or screw the people, it turned out to be screw the people under the cry of “to big to fail”. The owners of production screwed the nation.

    It is a burden on the people when they paid into Social Security all thier life and the Republicans ripped off that money to pay for tax cuts to the rich. It is a burden when Repubicans are planning to default on those I.O.U’s. Default on the money they owe to the People.

    You should be getting the picture by now. Your bullshit doesn’t wash.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the citation is called “The Tea Party”.

  • parrots_abound

    Stick to guitar….political discussion isn’t your strong point.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Hmm, you are half right. The first half of your sentence. And anyone who spent the time reading your “novel”, would be (mercifully) brain dead by the end. Now back to the home with you!

  • Anonymous

    And what is your strong point?

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul is an Ayn Rand fan, I find it interesting that he named his son Rand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    PAUL/KUCINICH 2012

  • Iconoclasm

    Gee Jason, I contend that your failure to comprehend this solution to Organized crime America is your own shortcoming! Obviously you have reading and comprehension difficulties, Furthermore, the solution has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Ron Paul in that he HAS NO PLAN which was my point. This plan was created by Eric Williams who used to be an advocate for Ron paul until he realized that Doctor Paul had no plan and ignored his solution.

    I suggest you go back and read the plan and instead of attacking the messenger (as many on this site have the tendancy to do in their stupefying ignorance) and attack it IF YOU CAN!

    I believe it will turn this country that was created a police state, to a truly free nation. Or do you really believe it to be free as it is?

  • Anonymous

    Very interesting observation.

  • Anonymous

    Well, okay, I’ll bite “parrots_abound”:

    “Yet what I find disturbing is the self proclaimed Socialists that jump on any Ron Paul thread and bash the man with nonsense and slander.” [and none of which I will specifically cite so you can't call me on my bullshit]

    “I know you hate Entrepreneurship and the individual. I know you hate the thought of responsibility and not being a burden to your fellow man and neighbors.” [And you "know" this because you stole Madam Cleo's crystal ball? And that crap about being a burden: we put up with your low IQ gibberish, we should get some credit for that, eh?]

    “Many of you are ideological KIDS who are victims of most likely State funded public colleges, where you learn nothing of these matters and waste your efforts in getting “Liberal Arts” degrees which can’t help you in the real world now that the game has changed. I understand, it sucks.” [Ignoring the clumsy and inappropriate phrasing....what "matters" are you whining about and what rules of what game, mind defining your nonsense?]

    Now let go of that little thing, and go upstairs: your mommy is calling. She KNOWS what you’ve been doing, you nasty little man.

  • Anonymous

    You’ll notice they cheer against the Patriot Act…and vote for the party that just fought like hell to extend it.

    Brainiacs, they are not.

  • Anonymous

    So, you are advocating that the corporations will keep a leash on themselves and pay you fair wages if the gov’t doesn’t get involved? Hummmm… Where have I heard that one before…? Must have been a bad dream I was having while I was asleep. Glad to see that you are fully awake and watching out for the ppl’s interest though…

  • Anonymous

    parrot_in_hand: “I’ve got time….”

    Yes, your mommy went shopping and you are there in her bedroom wearing her panties and stroking to a photo of curly Rand….he lurves him that Israel, ya know? How about you, stroker?

  • parrots_abound

    Wrong again comrade,

    You’ve never heard Ron Paul’s take on the Gulf Oil crisis. Here’s a HINT, he would have punished BP way more severe than Obama…and he has a much better solution for rampant Corporations than ANY of the candidates out there. But because you’re ignorant of ron’s stances you don’t know this.

    The wars? yeah ron Paul was against them from the beginning.. Not just in voting but in principle. Obama called Iraq a “strategic blunder”. Not any Clinton, Bush, or any candidate is as anti MIC or EMPIRE as Ron Paul is. OUR Government authorized it and all the wars, do you disagree with Paul on it?

    Pollution? State where Ron Paul says he would stop regulations on public works or those that provide public services. Be specific in your statements.

    Wall street? “Owners of Production” are Wall Street? You’re an idiot if you believe an economy which is near 80% small businesses is “Wall Street”. Wall Street is a collection of Industry and Government backed firms. They mean nothing to the common man.
    Ron Paul was against the bailouts, against Wall Street tyrants, and for auditing them FULLY along with the Fed. I guess you disagree with him????????????

    Social Security? Umm Bill Clinton STOLE money from Social Security to pay debt. Ron Paul knows it can’t last, and ron Paul has NEVER stated he wants to take the money from those that have payed into it. He wants a gradual phase out of the program but he also knows that ending wars will help keep it. He would rather get rid of wars for Seocail Security.

    And you keep saying “republicans” as if ron Paul is like the neocons you have grown to know.

    You’re just too friggin ignorant on these issues. You know nothing about Ron Paul and it shows. All you have is just bullshit bumper sticker rhetoric and no grasp of his platform.

    All talk and no facts. Why don’t you just quit embarrassing yourself.

  • parrots_abound

    So you quote me, and then tell me to “go upstairs to my Mommy”, and address none of what I stated with an original thought of your own?

    Nice job.

  • parrots_abound

    Owning you?

  • parrots_abound

    I though it was obvious.?

  • parrots_abound

    His son is named RANDAL, not after Ayn Rand. His wife calls him “Rand” and it’s what he goes by.

    Nothing to do with Ayn.

  • http://www.bobcatarts.com/ Robert Gandy

    I’m only going to address the “Liberal Arts” thing because you directly attacked my job.

    Founding a theatre company in the DC-area, we created 5 jobs and immediately hired 6 more for the run of the show. How many jobs have you, yourself, created with your ideology?

    We contributed over five thousand dollars in the local economy, and brought out several hundred people, each spending their own money at local restaurants, bars, public transportation and shops outside of and unrelated to our venue. How much investment in the local economy have you, yourself, directly created?

    My Arts jobs will never be outsourced to a foreign land. Never be made obsolete by the march of technological progress. My Arts jobs have a minimal impact on infrastructure by utilizing existing buildings and resources, whatever their condition. My Arts jobs actively encourage participation by local entrepreneurs and small businesses in mutually-beneficial ways. My Arts jobs are sustainable; contribute to the community in immeasurable ways like increasing “quality of life” in an area and raising property value (thus generating revenue through increased property taxes). What is the quality of the jobs you created, yourself, directly?

    By bashng “Liberal Arts” education, you loudly proclaim the quality of your own. I hope your alma mater is proud.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps you should know what socialism really is:

    “Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

    In FACT we are closer to CORPORATISM with some public bennefits

  • Anonymous

    You don’t dererve addressing. You have the loftiness and self importance of the worst of the neo-liberals you have convinced yourself that you are above. True, you’re mother isnt calling you, she kicked you out when you reached the age of 35.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Jaimie11

    And you are stupid enough to be one of those brainwashed individuals who throws the baby out with the bath water whenever current fashion dictates.

    Of course, you are so superior to all who have come before you that you need never to look at your your own social conditioning and the thousands of ways in which you behave that are not commensurate with what you profess is right thinking. And so your lack of respect dooms you to repeat history. You are blight on the futures of today’s young people.

  • Jaimie11

    You have no clue what’s going on. Every post of yours reveals you are an insolent and arrogant ignoramus.

  • Anonymous

    You sound like a paid troll/shill. Usefull idiot is possible too

  • Anonymous

    Wow… the parrot knows everything. The rest of us are just stupid idiots. BTW, Rawsters, please request permission from parrots_abound before you make any comments, if not, she/he will really cut you down to size with her/his bountiful knowledge of all things, one tough cookie that parrot. If you’re not careful, she/he might even give you a homework assignment about the specific meaning of a term like the “gold standard”, complete with essay and everything.

  • Anonymous

    Prices would come down a lot at least.

  • Jaimie11

    Excellent rationale for stagnancy. You must be paid well by people who wish to retain the status quo until there is nothing more to leach out of the American people.

  • Anonymous

    So you are proud to the “circus” of the bread and circuses of the new age?

  • Jaimie11

    Move to Oregon, to Vermont, to Massachusetts . They have government health care. Nothing to prevent states from making that choice. Go ahead. Just don’t force it on people who prefer other options.

    You have no idea what the free market is. You’ve been told all your life monopolism is free market – and you are naive enough to believe it. Get educated. Read a book or two that are not supplied to you by your keepers.

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone buy these strawman arguments above?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t like Robert Burned.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are your only hope of not ending up in abject poverty

  • Anonymous

    Chrislib Is either a paid shill or just. A usefull idiot

  • Anonymous

    Conservatives have had control of the White House how many years since LBJ? What part do they play in this mess? What responsibility do they admit and accept? I rest my case.

  • Anonymous

    Please tell us how a libertarian is a traitor? It’s like saying a turtle is a bird

  • Anonymous

    Talking points from MSNBC as opposed to made up shit on FAUX noise. Grow up, wingnut. Were you homeschooled in glendabeckistan?

  • Anonymous

    You must be using newspeak

  • Jaimie11

    Wrong. Free market capitalism is by definition positive ethical capitalism. The only reason you would be against it is that you do not understand what it is, or, knowing your own greed, you fear that others would behave as greed would make you behave.

    The economic system you have lived under all your life is a debt based system that produces inflation necessarily as a part of its hidden theft of your wealth, and encourages monopoly over a stable value money system and free market competition that together insure integrity by allowing for the failure of criminality instead its being propped up by government policies as is the current economic reality.

    The economic system under which we have lived for the last 100 to 150 years is based in the wishes of amoral, unethical people to enjoy the impossibly sustainable experience of the infinite growth of their own wealth, at your expense.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXISEHECKZJJR3PAXNYFPCPU24 Secret Weapon

    Both parties are nothing more than competing organized crime families.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, all rhetoric and no substance, as do all puppets of the oligarchs. For decades now Ron Paul has been a thorn in the oligarchs’ sides. Huge difference. Truly committed and ethical people rarely sell out. Career politicians sell out all the time.
    You ought to know that by now.

    You claim to be a cynic, but that is not so at all. Cynics are by definition lovers of virtue. You are merely jaded, a hater of virtue.

  • Eyeball_Kid

    Traditionally, Libertarians form opinions on public policy that roughly parallel that of the “social Darwinism” rock-heads of a hundred years ago. They deny the Preamble’s directive to “promote the general welfare,” and rely upon individual decision-making as the prime mover against social and economic inequities. In that sense, Libertarians hold hands with neoconservatives who have no interest in maintaining social safety nets through public funds.

    Paul’s brand of Libertarianism includes some marquee views on US imperialism that resonate with the more liberal contingencies of the body politic. For that, he should gain a degree of credit. But the core of Libertarianism, IMO, promotes the kind of social conservatism that brought on the Reagan Legacy– the cultural shift in the US responsible for an ever-expanding chasm between the wealthy and the rest of us.

  • Jaimie11

    Nothing quite so humorous as an ignorant fool who believes he is wise. You ‘have’ been burned bobby, by listening too well to your own miserably desiccated little heart.

  • Jaimie11

    I think not having a plan could be a good thing. Paul’s goal is to end the fed’s power over us. I do not agree we should end the fed completely, but rather turn it into the Bank of the people absent individual state banks. Though I am torn between that and keeping it only as a shell to be activated in times of national disaster and requiring states to establish their own people’s banks.

    So I don’t find Ron Paul’s lack of plan problematic. In fact, I find it refreshing. He has one goal – end the fed’s power – and the rest is open ended, for us to decide for ourselves. As soon as our political discourse is wrenched away from the oligarchs’ controlled polarization by ending the fed’s power, discourse will become a conversation about our values and how to enact them while preserving freedom and justice for all.

  • Anonymous

    “There should be no government redistribution of wealth.”

    That’s the job of the free market – to redistribute the wealth from the masses to the powerful!

  • Jaimie11

    No, what happened in 1968 was the subversion of liberal ideas and conversion to socialist ideas. The right/left polarity that feeds the oligarchs’ plans was firmly established, aided by the fears produced by the Cold War.

    The other violent clashes instigated by police, the bludgeoning of welfare protesters by police on horseback, their trampling people on the streets and sidewalks, people who were demanding abolition of the inhumane requirements for receiving welfare. Then the systematic destruction of the Black Power movement that was lifting people out of the psychology of poverty, and so many other examples, combined to leave liberals convinced the power structure could not be changed.

    I don’t believe the money system was understood by enough people then to see how it is the basis of that power structure. It has to go first before anything else can change.

  • Anonymous

    Thorn in the side of the oligarchs—Pleeease!

    We all know that there is nothing that the oligarchs hate more than Austrian School Economists. Those Austrian Schoolers have been the nightmare of the oligrachs since von Mises started writing in 1912 or thereabouts and of course it only got worse when Hayek published “The Road to Serfdom” (1944) and started equating income taxes to slavery. The oligarchs really hated that idea.

    And that is why Ron Paul’s first suggestion on this list is ending the income tax because nothing says “thorn in the side” to the oligarchs like repealing the income tax. If there is one thing the oligarchs fear more than anything else it’s the repeal of the income tax.

    • Repeal 16th Amendment and get rid of the income tax. (Feb 2008)
    • Live within our means and start paying down the deficit now. (Feb 2008)
    • Lower interest rates CAUSED housing bubble & can’t solve it. (Jan 2008)
    • Voted NO on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
    • Voted NO on modifying bankruptcy rules to avoid mortgage foreclosures. (Mar 2009)
    • Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)
    • Voted NO on monitoring TARP funds to ensure more mortgage relief. (Jan 2009)
    [But he wants to monitor the Fed! But not the trillion dollars that went to the banks--another thorn in the side.]
    • Voted NO on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
    • Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
    • Voted NO on defining “energy emergency” on federal gas prices. (Jun 2008)
    • Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
    • Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun 2009)
    • Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO offsets. (Sep 2008)
    • Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (May 2008)
    • Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
    • Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
    • Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
    • Voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007)
    • Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Mar 2007)
    • Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
    • Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refineries. (Jun 2006)
    • Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
    • Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
    • Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
    • Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)
    • Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
    • Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)

    You’ll notice a pattern anything that was designed to help people get back to work he voted against; anything that would have in any way restricted business practices he voted against.; and anything that aided business he voted for. He’s a real thorn in the side of the ologarchs as this listy certainly shows.

  • Anonymous

    Wonderful, Republicans have had a hand in fashioning responsible government into incompetent government.

    For example, FEMA and the response to Katrina. The SEC under the current clown and under Bush. Etc.

  • Jaimie11

    Well, with a value based money system instead of a debt based system, that .50 an hour could feed a family of four for a month.

  • Anonymous

    No need to get all complicated, the future perfect will do – “it will” fail if we return to the gold standard. Learn a lesson from the 19th century.

  • Anonymous

    Your post shows that besides their mutual anti-war stance you and the people who liked this idea know next to nothing about the other policy positions of either Paul or Kucinich.

  • Jaimie11

    And you are an arrogant snob. Take your creepy intellectualism and scoop dog shit with it.
    That’s all it’s worth coming from a heartless bastard like you.

  • Anonymous

    As if Ron Paul has ever voted for one program in his life to aid the poor people of this country!

  • parrots_abound

    34 and a half, get it right.

  • Jaimie11

    Who assigned you as God? Your mother? Well, someone needs to tell her you’re a condescending, nose-picking, snobby bitch.

  • Jaimie11

    Krugman is a shill for the oligarchs.

  • Jaimie11

    He did not say it was obsolete, you contemptuous self-serving sniping psychopath. It should be obsolete, when enough people wake up to the purpose of its existence.

    In the minds of people smarter than you on every level, it is over. Now grow up.

  • Jaimie11

    There you go, talking about yourself again and projecting it like a madman with a machine gun.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, chrislib! It is no coincidence that the main witness at Ron Paul’s End the Fed/Monitor the Fed subcommittee hearing last week was a Southerner with links to “The League of the South” a Confederate secessionist organization that still speaks of Jefferson Davis on their website as “our President”!

    Of course, it was OK for Ron Paul to bring this kook to Congress because he wasn’t advocating secession on that particular day, he was there to talk about destroying the Federal government economically instead!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, you mean the Future Simple, “it will fail”, but that’s ok… Point taken – and agreed. If we did use the Future Perfect Simple, “It will have failed” before that time anyway… that could also be a possibility. Guess, the statement could be used in any one of the tenses with some legitimacy, depending on what is meant by the word “failure” of course.

  • http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ Ed Ward, MD

    Just another fascist, a kinder, gentler zionist fascist f!ck that never heard of FIXED VOTING or a Constitutional Vote for more zionist religion run government, that will GLADLY REMOVE THE SUPREME COURT OF IT’S Constitutional DUTY of MAKING SURE THE STATES FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION. Not that the current appointed SUPREMES are are any different than any of the rest of the Fascist F!cks in need of TRIALS FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

    BTW, what have the T-baggers done since their ‘change’ – Business as Usual

    Ron Paul National Scandal – Constitution Party Tyranny in ‘Sheepskin’ of ‘Constitution
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/344

    But, What I Really Wanna’ Know Is….
    Just How Gutless/Stupid/Sick Do We Have to Be To Do It to Ourselves?
    http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2011/01/

    German High Court Outlaws Electronic Voting
    Wednesday, 21 October 2009, 9:45 am
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0910/S00187.htm

    Hacking Democracy – 90 minutes of proof the vote is fixed on multiple levels.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7926958774822130737#

    City of New Orleans, LA & 36 Other State’s Elections Fixed http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/07/17/ward.htm

  • Anonymous

    I have to say I’m exhilarated by the fact that I am not the only one speaking out here against this maniac any more, I was beginning to think after so many threads last week that there were very few of us who even cared about Paul’s lunacy. I want to say Thank You to all the people who have joined me is speaking out against this fraud.

    He has deceived many with his faux progressive stance. One you get beyond his anti-war position the rest of his positions are nightmares for working people, woman, and minorities. He likes to hide behind the rhetoric of freedom and liberty but all that means is the freedom to be homeless and the freedom to starve. He has voted again and again for corporate interests and he has voted again and again against the people.

    Here are just some of his positions and votes:

    • Repeal 16th Amendment and get rid of the income tax. (Feb 2008)
    • Live within our means and start paying down the deficit now. (Feb 2008)
    • Lower interest rates CAUSED housing bubble & can’t solve it. (Jan 2008)
    • Voted NO on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
    • Voted NO on modifying bankruptcy rules to avoid mortgage foreclosures. (Mar 2009)
    • Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)
    • Voted NO on monitoring TARP funds to ensure more mortgage relief. (Jan 2009)
    [He wants to monitor the Fed! But not the trillion dollars that went to the banks]
    • Voted NO on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
    • Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
    • Voted NO on defining “energy emergency” on federal gas prices. (Jun 2008)
    • Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
    • Voted NO on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun 2009)
    • Voted NO on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO offsets. (Sep 2008)
    • Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (May 2008)
    • Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008)
    • Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
    • Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
    • Voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007)
    • Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Mar 2007)
    • Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
    • Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refineries. (Jun 2006)
    • Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
    • Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
    • Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
    • Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)
    • Bar greenhouse gases from Clean Air Act rules. (Jan 2009)
    • Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Nov 2010)

  • Anonymous

    And your point is?

  • Anonymous

    Equating paying taxes to “slavery” demeans slavery and those millions of Black Africans who were held in actual slavery for all or most of their lives in this country. You should be embarrassed to even make the analogy! That you do and that other ignorant Americans do who compare paying taxes to slavery shows that they have no idea whatsoever about the history of this country or the real savagery that constituted slavery!

    If you are going to use analogies like this you should probably learn something about both sides of the analogy before speaking out. Hayek came to this country from Austria and didn’t know what the hell he was talking about, having never experienced American slavery. But he still should have been embarrassed to make the comparison since Jews were held in slavery by the Nazis in conditions that were as bad or worse in many cases than what American Blacks went through; somehow Hayek couldn’t see the difference between a Nazi forced labor camp and income taxes. More’s the pity! Another thing he was completely wrong about!

    But Hayek won a Nobel Prize, evidence that Obama’s wasn’t the first one given out on what seems to be a meaningless and irrational basis.

  • Anonymous

    A most refreshing antidote to the MSM Left/Right paradigm BS and Democratic/Republican party “difference” mythology. The restoration of our Constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms is the most important task before all of us.

  • MNUSA

    Wait a second. I thought President Reagan brought the Soviet Union to its knees! Rep. Paul sounds like a heretic.

  • Iconoclasm

    You can;t begin to dismantle the Fed without a plan of action. Here is the ONLY valid plan I have seen by ANYONE! This plan would make this country truly free, unlike the bogus free they have duped everyone into thinking it is:

    http://truthseekersnews.com/articles/the28thamendment.html

  • MNUSA

    I like a little more government control over things. Libertarians have some good ideas. But I want criminals in prison, a safe food supply and some overall government planning in areas like transportation, energy, and the environment.

  • Jaimie11

    The more I learn of you Pag, the more I realize you have little connection to any positive reality. You will disagree with anything just for the jaded satisfaction of disagreement. What is the good of reading entire libraries if you have no intention of learning how to apprehend truth, if all you care for is to possess trunks and trunks overflowing with nothing but facts?

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Do you do stand-up?

    Do you have any more one liners like this?

    This one has me in stitches!

    It’s a good thing I wasn’t drinking coffee! I might have choked!

  • Anonymous

    Government is fine as long as it isn’t tyrannical and over reaching. Your food was probably irradiated before you ate it. You can thank government for the cancer

  • http://www.bobcatarts.com/ Robert Gandy

    Am I proud to risk my own money, time and effort in a small business with zero government support? Am I proud to give my audience what they want (award-winning entertainment)? Am I proud to turn a very small profit that allows me to re-invest and grow my business,without a dime of taxpayer’s money? Am I proud to let the free market decide if I succeed or fail, and thus far succeed?

    You bet your ass I am. And if I lose my shirt, I’ll dust off and try again.

    It’s unfortunate that you don’t seem to support small business start-ups that try to directly pay their artists and staff what they’re worth, and would rather spend money at large corporate entertainment houses that tend to exploit their labor. That’s your choice, though. That’s the free market.

    Gods bless America.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    touché…

  • http://twitter.com/LevStrauss Lev Strauss

    So you are saying that he could have saved us a trillion dollars minimum. Faux progressive? When has he ever tried to masquerade as anything other than what he is, a traditional conservative/libertarian?

  • Ma’at

    Not quite. Conservatives are in the process of trying to kill government and, along with it. all those who aren’t members of the American Taliban.

  • Guest

    HAHAHAHA, BEEEEEYYYOOOOOTTIFUL. Love it!

  • Guest

    Too big to fail. bush and obama said that.

  • Anonymous

    Republicans claim government is the problem, get elected and prove it.

  • parrots_abound

    People that buy things = Consumer

    Unless you’re living under a bridge and can live off oxygen alone, you are a “consumer”, in economic terms.

    Fuck man are you that dense?

  • Guest

    Thanks for saying so. I am frequently astounded at the level of intelligence when it comes to hearing the Truth about this man. I could only hope RP is elected but I fear it won’t happen. The MSM will see to that.

  • Guest

    Jesus, the trailer trash invading these forums is remarkable.

  • parrots_abound

    Great, you know how to cut and paste from the interwebs.

    So now that you’ve made the claim and cherry picked some things from his voting record, I’m sure you’re ready to tell us WHY he votes/voted certain ways on things?

    I mean, it’s only fair if you’re going make a list, you should be able to address it right?

  • Anonymous

    are you going to explain your lack of logic here? Or should we all just take your word for it?

  • Anonymous

    The more comments I read by the “Ron Paul is GOD” crowd, the more convinced I am becoming that Libertarianism is no less a cult than Scientology. And those who belong to it are just as likely to follow Ron Paul off into some jungle in South America and drink whatever he told them to drink just as any other religious cultists would!!

  • parrots_abound

    You’ve made the same claims over and over and over on this thread , yet you have not backed up ONE claim with any link or evidence.

    Why is that?

  • Tio Holtzman

    I see a lot of haters in these comments…What you all fail to understand is that it doesn’t matter if Paul runs for President, the winner will be the one backed by the controlling corporate power at the time. We’ve had the Banker’s prez, the Oilmen’s prez, and so-on, etc. No corporate power will back Paul, it’s as simple as that-at least under the conditions which most of us are living now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorothy-Banks/100001470098554 Dorothy Banks

    Didn’t Trump tell CPACers that Paul was a loser; he can’t in the presidency? They booed Trump was telling Paul “You’re fired!” before the American people hired him to be president.

  • http://twitter.com/honorablelordk Karim Walker

    Ron Paul’s ideology will end up devouring itself.

  • yvonneo

    IMO, Ron Paul is just another republican who has been in political office for well over 30 years–who has spent millions of dollars to continue being in a position of authority within the same govt he now seeks to eliminate. Yet those that support him, talk about him as though he’s new to the political scene and somehow different from all other republicans. But as far as I’m concerned, as a republican leader for over 30 years, he bears a great deal of responsibility for the failed policies that have only benefited the filthy rich, at the expense of the rest of us, and left millions of Americans destitute in the process. So the question is, what has Ron Paul done in his capacity as a representative of the American people for all of those years that anyone should listen to him now?

    Frankly, I think Ron Paul is just another good example of why we need term limits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WE3JWKWUY2R62UY5JMETECQBHE Dimitri Sokolov

    The seniors will stop getting their check soon anyway. State pension funds are broke and the federal government is broke too. Before this is over there will be riots in the streets like Egypt.

  • Greg Eckhart

    Huh?
    IN my entire time watching media I’ve NEVER seen a single commentator EVER suggest that ‘erosion’ and ‘decline’ was the INEVITABLE consequences of a capitalist system? EVER?

    You’re obviously QUITE delusional if you think that anywhere in the Media, especially MSNBC, they give time to people who even use the word capitalist to describe the economic system.

    You’re like most Libs…some crazy little robot that stepped out of 1953 looking for communists and your pretty damn sure they work for CBS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WE3JWKWUY2R62UY5JMETECQBHE Dimitri Sokolov

    Poor neighbohoods already have drugs, walmarts and die in the streets. Under libertarians, they wouldn’t go to jail for using drugs like they do now.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo Pagasae… Great cut and paste job, right annoying parrot?

  • Anonymous

    You should address yourself parrot… chirp, chirp, chirp…

  • Anonymous

    ‘Government is in the process of failing’

    - more of a “progress report” than a headline.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, parrot, if I were RP, I would ask you to do me a favor and NOT represent me. If you’re the type that will be pushing his agenda, Lord have mercy on us all…

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Lev, How much did you say you were going to be donating to your “saviour’s” traditional conservative/libertarian bank account? I’m sure he’s looking forward to your input.

  • Anonymous

    Make NO mistake…. Ron Paul was with the republicans when they started this destruction to our country the same as the other criminals which have been eating at the top of the food chain..
    The democrats seem to have thrown their hats into the ring to get a part of the action..

  • Anonymous

    The only thing that is obvious is that you are a quack.

  • otherjerseyguy

    The political expiration date on this 75 year old Texan is long past and his desperate attempts at leadership are foolish at best. He can’t get elected to national office and is trying to avoid being challenged for his Senate seat by a real Tea Party Candidate.

  • Anonymous

    “But as far as I’m concerned, as a republican leader for over 30 years, he bears a great deal of responsibility for the failed policies that have only benefited the filthy rich, at the expense of the rest of us, and left millions of Americans destitute in the process.”

    Which policies are you talking about? Ron Paul’s nickname in Congress is “Dr. No,” because he has consistently voted against rampant deficit spending by the U.S. government (in fact, from 1995 to 1997, he cast two thirds of all the lone negative votes in the House), spending that HURTS the rest of us by devaluing the U.S. dollar and passing the costs on to you and I through chronic inflation–consumer prices in the United States have risen 25% in the last decade, 170% since 1980, 450% since Nixon closed the gold window in 1971, 1,100% since World War II and more than 2,000% since the Fed was created in 1913.

    Ron Paul also voted AGAINST the changes made to the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, changes that have SPECIFICALLY benefited the filthy rich, and that have turned the stock market into the casino that we have today.

    He also voted against the Iraq War, has vociferously argued against attacking Iran, and has called for the closing of U.S. military bases around the world.

    You can dislike Ron Paul all you like, but lumping him in with other Republicans makes you look uninformed….

  • Anonymous

    The republicans get elected by claiming that the government can’t do anything right and when they’re in power they make it a self fulfilling prophecy. They do everything in their power to build up such huge deficits with the full intention of using the deficit to defund the government. This started under Reagan and has continued with republican control of the Congress and/or the presidency. Unfortunately, the democrats fall for this trap every time.

  • http://twitter.com/ldarnell ldarnell

    Perhaps the government of Myanmar is failing. or North Korea. or Chechnya. Ron Paul and the teabaggers might get more traction if they cut out the sky is falling meme. We could do worse, and we could do a whole lot better. The government we’ve got represents the glorious, ignorant and self-absorbed American people.

  • Anonymous

    Because Republicans keep cutting taxes and forcing reductions in spending. But as long as there is a senate and a house with 535 members and all their expenses we will have to pay for all their offices and perks and aides and travel and per diem and every other expense they can think to run up while getting absolutely nothing for those tax dollars except more grief.

  • Anonymous

    Daddy Paul is doing the same thing Bush/Paul did to get the bailout money for the Banks. Bush/Paulson rushed in and say the end is new and the US Economy will colapse if we don’t approve the money for the Banks. Who knew it was for bonuses but the fear worked. Daddy Paul knows we aren’t falling but with no GOP leader he’s looking to get as much Press time as possible. Paul looks to bring back those Confederate days and who knows he might get that chance to debate Obama. What’s interesting is Rand Paul thinks he’s qualified as President and would pick his Dad Ron as his VP.. Yes Paul/Paul vs Obama/Biden it could happen. Oh Daddy Paul read son Rand the story Chicken Little the Sky is Falling and just got confused.

  • Anonymous

    Federal tax dollars pay for roads, the Federal government recently passed a stimulus bill that contained about $250 billion for road and infrastructure construction. The Tennessee Valley Authority was financed with federal tax dollars, the Hoover Damn was paid for with federal tax dollars, the Grand Coulee Dam was paid for with federal tax dollars.

    Perhaps it is you who is “too stupid to think about where your [federal] tax dollars” have gone!

  • Anonymous

    If the libertarians and Ron Paul want to end debt why did Ron Paul vote for the two Bush tax cuts and the recent Bush tax cut extension. Isn’t the first step to ending debt, paying off the debt you now have, so that the huge interest payments (over $400 billion next year) that purchase absolutely nothing of worth to anyone but the bankers holding the paper on the debt can end?

    Clinton left the government with the wherewithal to pay down the federal debt in about 10 years.

    But Bush came in and argued that paying the debt off would be bad for the country and Ron Paul voted to scrap Clinton’s plan to pay down the debt. Why did he do that if he is now claiming that America is on the verge of collapse from debt?

    Wasn’t all that a little inconsistent of old Ronnie!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O2DXWEWSCNVL43WXHOE2BPTNF4 Keith M

    “You don’t dererve addressing. You have the loftiness and self importance of the worst of the neo-liberals you have convinced yourself that you are above. True, you’re mother isnt calling you, she kicked you out when you reached the age of 35. ”

    Translation…..Dang it parrot, why did you have to hit the nail on the head about us socialists? You made us sad.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O2DXWEWSCNVL43WXHOE2BPTNF4 Keith M

    “I like a little more government control over things. Libertarians have some good ideas. But I want criminals in prison,”

    The irony is killing me. You can’t have it both ways, either you have the criminals in government, or in prison. Make up your mind.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    He stands for a limited and constitutional government rather than one which is bloated with mission creep perpetrated by the power hungry elite on EITHER side of the aisle.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    He also wants to stop our PRIVATE central bank, which issues money on behalf of its corporate owners.

    Our system of regulating the absurd powers we create is broken. Each new regulation has five new loopholes, its no wonder that banking regulations, oil drilling regulations, and employment regulations have failed utterly.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes

    America’s problem is that we FALSELY view things as “left” or “right” wing.

    It would be far better to view them as Authoritarian or Freedom.

    Both Obama and Bush II (and anyone the media calls “a viable candidate”) are authoritarian.

    Fuck authoritarianism, I’m ready for the god damned revolution!

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul is just another nutjob politician from the screwed up state of Texass.I really don’t care what political persuasion he claims he is,it is all too obvious as to what he isn’t>someone that you can trust,just like his wackadoodle son from Kentuckistan.

  • Ron

    That’s what they want, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Not the Ron Paul is God crowd, the You are talking out of your ass crowd is coming.

    You speak a lot of shit with no substance, maybe you should be a politician, you seem very qualified for what passes these days.

  • Anonymous

    Robert,

    It’s obvious that you’re being paid off by the CIA or government for your reviews. But, I guess with the huge amount of support that Dr. Paul has gained over the years, it’s imperative that you people continue to mindlessly attack to try to throw his movement off.

    I really love your comment about capitalism throwing us back into the Guilded Ages. Seriously: That’s rich. Hmmm. Let’s take a moment and study history shall we? It was capitalism that gave Europe the power to escape from the feudalistic despotism of the monarchy; it was capitalism that gave rise to the Industrial Revolution, marking America as one of the most powerful nations in the world; and it was capitalism that has been the single greatest contributor to increases in workers wages. Doesn’t sound like a system that threw us into the Middle Ages, does it? In fact, it did the opposite: it got us out of it.

    Now, here’s something for you to consider, Einstein: perhaps it’s the Federal Reserve system, the institution that Dr. Paul wants to end, that has led to our economic woes? Of course, you’ve probably never studied it. You’re probably like Pagasae in the sense that you read three to four page articles in Newsweek and think you’re a genius. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

    It is because of the Reserve system, by the way, that the dollar had lost ninety-six percent of its value due to artificial increases in the money supply (economics 101: increases in the supply of a commodity decrease its value) and led price inflation on goods. Research has already found that the price of items such as rice and soy have increased by 30 to 40 percent.

    Also, Ron Paul being linked to the white supremacists? HA! What a joke. That’s as easily refutable as the rest of the laughing stock of information that you’ve spammed here. SNORE.

    Try actually reading people like Rothbard and Mises. You may actually–gasp!–learn something.

  • Anonymous

    He also wants to end the FED, bring back gold as a currency (the way the Founders wanted it), end all unconstitutional acts (i.e., the PATRIOT act), get out of the UN, WTO, and all other institutions that violate and cripple our sovereignty, end NAFTA, the idea that is crippling business here in America, and end our imperialism. A little more than wars, genius. Why don’t you get your facts straight? Believe it or not, it’s not that difficult to do.

    Also, what the hell is with God? Are you retarded? We don’t think he God, you fool. We simply see him as someone who is brave enough to break through the chains of warfare, welfare, and the tyranny of the left and right. You really think that people like Obama and Palin are going to change anything? PLEASE! Obama still supports the ideas of John Maynard Keynes, the economic moron that got us into this mess in the first place.

    God damn, man. Sometimes I wish the internet was filtered so only comments that had a sense of rationalism to them were allowed through. I guess even the 1st amendment does have one issue: he can’t block stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm. Last time the libertarian position was even employed? May not be the last, but how about when the Southern US was being developed with slave labor?

  • Anonymous

    Another comment with no sense of rationalism to it. Keep em coming, Robert. You’re only embarrassing yourself. ZZZZZZZZZZ.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you are the one who should learn how to read. The syntax of my post was *not* very complicated. Also you didn’t answer my first two questions, you just posted a bunch of nonsensical blather about the moon.

    You claim that today’s situation is the “inevitable consequence of capitalist development” but this is completely and utterly false. It’s clear that we haven’t lived in a capitalist society in a long, long time. What we’ve been living under is corporatism, wherein the government’s only job is to protect and insure the interests of major banks and corporations. It has nothing to do with capitalism. A RP presidency would bring capitalism back, while placing checks on the major corporations/military-industrial complex who are the real criminals/oppressors of our society, whereas now there are literally none. If you can’t understand that, you are hopeless.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Anonymous

    Is it showing integrity to call on the nation’s youth to “opt out” of their country? Why not just tell them all to go to your beloved Canada?

    This guy smells, and his ‘appeal’ to the foolish among us is very dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe because gold helped stabilize economies, moron. Historically, gold has proven its worth time and time again. Stop reading TIME, because you won’t learn that.

    Pre-Federal Reserve, gold was used by the banking system because it kept a check on interest rates and how much money could and couldn’t be loaned out. When the colonies of America were utterly destoryed by the effects of inflation because of their ignorance to the effects of the printing press on economics stability, the Founders switched to gold because of its stability. This allowed America to not reduce its deficits that could never be imagined now, but helped America become one of the most wealthiest nations on Earth.

    Famous economist, Murray Rothbard, also explained the uses of Gold in his book, “The Case Against the Fed”. In it, he explains that, unlike the dollar, which only has the purpose of trade in the market, gold can be used for things beyond trade. It can be used to for industrial purposes, jewelery, etc. Now, this in turn can help with your question on income disparities. Because gold can be used to produce goods, it increase the amount of goods on the market. Because there are more goods, the prices of those goods goes down. Because the prices on the goods go down, they’re cheaper. Because they’re cheaper, people’s living standards go up because they can buy more. Oh, and I forget to mention that because gold can be used in production, it gives people the ability to produce more, which in turn, increases their wages, which, in turn, allows them to buy more. TA-DA!!!!! See what happens when you think, Einstein? You actually learn something.

    God. I could refute you people in my sleep. In fact, ZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    No; that simply makes it more efficient because the Founders understood its value in comparison to fiat currency, which simply destroys economic stability. Once again, another ignorant comment from Robert. Please, keep them coming. Refuting ignorance is a past time of mine.

  • Anonymous

    Nice picture you paint there Jaimie… Sorry to burst your bubble though. Naw… forget it, just hang on to that sweet innocent naïveté, well, but, on the other hand… on second thought, for what it’s worth, No… Well… I hope I’m wrong… but, ok, here it goes… I think the RP guy is just another phony pony… But, hey, who am I? Just some kook. Right?

  • Anonymous

    And Ron Paul is the man to do that, eh? So, let me get this straight… Ron Paul, who is a “power structure” in his own right, is going to take down the current “power structure”, and replace it with…? Hummmm… That’s where my power structure ends that line of reasoning, or am I missing something?

  • Anonymous

    HE never lost us, the tent was opened by outsiders who co opted the name tea party with a bunch of neo Cons. The Liberty movement are the real deal and these other “allies” are only used so we can get mainstream support. We will not vote the same as the other. You are annoyed by Paul because he has principles..while Obama is a sellout traitor and like a sucker you supported him.

  • Anonymous

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!! Oh! Another ignorant comment. Sorry, but I get tired from bull%$#@.

  • Anonymous

    Your a wackjob, he ideas are right, you are going to find out by keeping the banker owned candidates in power how right he really was when all your freedoms are gone.

  • Anonymous

    You are still at it? Got any original posts? Or, are you some kind of bot?

  • Anonymous

    Wow there are tonnes of paid Huff trolls here, not to long ago it wasn’t like this at this website, there was a more center oriented “lets get a long to fight the corporate candidates” types here..now we have airheads who just attack without knowing what the heel they are talking about. You can tell who are the paid morons by the constant attacks.

    There are people here who are paid to drive a wedge between common sense conservatives and common sense liberals, they do not want an alliance that can take out the corporate government..this is their goal, make no mistake. Believe it or not people ARE paid to do this, my government in Canada does it, the Chinese do it, corporations do it…ignore them. We have to end the left/Right paradigm and move ahead with getting rid of this treasonous government on both sides.

  • Anonymous

    Good post, there are people here who are paid to drive a wedge between common sense conservatives and common sense liberals, they do not want an alliance that can take out the corporate government..this is their goal, make no mistake.

  • Anonymous

    ^Ah, yes. The unregulated banks and institutions. Still believing that delusion. SNORE!!! Let’s see: F.A. Hayek, boom and bust cycle, inflation, bubbles–any of this ring a bell to you? Oh, of course not. Newsweek doesn’t cover such issues.

  • Anonymous

    Evils, huh? And what they be? Please don’t used the tired and worn child labor argument. The Austrians already disproved that argument epochs ago.

  • SocialistCafe

    I appreciate what you say RB, but I don’t think we should confuse anarchism with libertarianism. They aren’t the same. Anarchists are generally anti-capitalism, libertarians are gung-ho-full-speed-ahead pro-capitalism.

  • Anonymous

    There are people here who are paid to drive a wedge between common sense conservatives and common sense liberals, they do not want an alliance that can take out the corporate government..this is their goal, make no mistake. My countries government does it (Canada) and so does China, corporations..many others. Ignore them, we have to end the Paradigms and focus on getting rid of the treasonous jerks running us in to the ground.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    We have never lived under a Capitalist society. Please point out that period in history so we can all have a good laugh about it. Capitalism is hoping that the worst people will do bad things for the good of everyone. Capitalism cannot exist in a system in which there are rules. Cause if there are rules the Capitalist will seek to use those rules to gain an advantage. So your only alternative is Anarchy but in Anarchy there is no way to regulate society so you devolve into violence.

    Pure Capitalism like Pure Socialism are pipe dreams. The only difference is Socialist very well know they’re not getting their Socialist Utopia and work to improve the world as it is. Libertarians pretend that Capitalism is just going back in time to some great age of innovation and enough for all. The fact is limited Capitalism works when you have unlimited resources. But when resources are scarce Capitalism doesn’t efficiently use resources.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WDCRZLG2KHQVYSWCN4POSUAKWU Michelle Beach

    Ron Paul’s Stand against the Federal Reserve, and Military Presence Overseas are two of our Biggest Problems, and are the only things I agree with him on.
    Dennis Kucinich is a Realistic Leader that would correct those two Items, and expand our Social Safety Nets, and Bring our Jobs Home from Red China.
    Our Overpopulated Country needs Social Safety Nets like Medicare, Unemployment Insurance , Social Security, and Single Payer Health Care.Dennis Kucinich would make that all happen.
    Also Dennis Kucinich wouldn’t do a 180 Degree turn on us after being elected, like Obama did!

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Well it was the whole US. Slavery was responsible for the US as an agriculture powerhouse and the North benefited because that is where the Mills and Shipping industry was located. The entire early financially history of our country was built on the back of slave labor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Yeah Libertarians aren’t paranoid at all. Exhibit 94

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Ron Paul is a joke. He rails about Earmarks and pork barrel spending. Then after the 2008 election he requests millions in Earmarks. Sorry but your messiah is a joke, a hypocrite, and just insane.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    The founders also intended that Women shouldn’t vote. Slavery was A-OK. And a number of other absurdities that no one would stand for today. The Founders were alright for their time but I don’t want a bunch of racist, sexist, idiots from the past running my life in the present. This is our country not theirs it’s up to us to make the best of it. Looking to the past to do what we need to do for the future is utterly stupid. You might as well split a chicken from it’s mouth to it’s ass and see which way the guts fall.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Except he believes that the Government can tell a woman to have a child she doesn’t want to.

  • Anonymous

    You think you are not in the middle of a new gilded age? A new time of robber barons? They are even stronger than before.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Dude Ron Paul requests millions in earmarks from the evil Gubermint. Why don’t you stop acting like he’s a saint. You sold out your principles like a cheap whore looking for her next hit of meth. The Tea Party are religious extremist who are Anti-Choice, Homophobic, Islamaphobes, and pretty racist. Sorry but I’d rather lose every election from now until 2560 when the world ends before hop into bed with them to get a seat at the table to whore yourself out to more people.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Paranoid. The government has never paid anyone ever to post on news forums. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

    Fool

    It is in the public domain that indeed they do have a legion of paid minions to troll these forums promulgate the government talking points

    Just put you back down and go to sleep. I am just paranoid

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    The founders lived under an economy that was largely tied to the slave trade and the movement of agricultural and raw resources from the United States to Europe. The economic reality we live today and the one they lived years ago are way too different. Benjamin Franklin would be a mild retard by today’s standard. The founders couldn’t predict a society that would give women the vote they couldn’t comprehend the internet.

    If you want to live by the standards of men who died before daily washing was considered the norm by all means they put on reenactments at many places across the US give it a whirl. The rest of us will live in the Modern world and live in a system not burdened by a few centuries of Colonial thinking.

  • http://www.stmartinsystems.com Gary Kuhn

    > “They have eliminated 98 percent of value of the 1913 dollar

    There was good reason to take the dollar off gold – now we can grow our
    economy faster than gold owners find yellow powder.

    Where we failed was the wage earner and the wage saver were not
    protected against the resulting inflation.

    We could still index our savings interest rate and our minimum wage
    against inflation. That could still help.

    But do we have national political structures that can get that done?

    http://www.stmartinsystems.com/100814_Why_did_we_Americans_lose_our_savings_habit.htm
    http://www.stmartinsystems.com/100814_Why_did_we_Americans_lose_our_savings_habit.pdf

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Dude are you kidding me? The major cause of the Great Depression was tying money to Gold and Silver. The faster a country dropped the Gold Standard the faster it recovered from the recession.

    Here is why no one takes you seriously and the Libertarian movement is doomed to the pages of the Internet. You’re arguing that the way to economic prosperity is to adopt the policies that led to the single greatest loss of wealth in Human history.

  • http://tholosofathena.blogspot.com/ copeland_morris

    Dream merchant Obama wants to cut off the heat for poor people, and there will probably be some kind of damned bipartisanship to get the job done. Ron Paul is not going to be elected president; but it’s obvious there is some good he can do, by building bridges between libertarians and progressives, so that this country doesn’t turn into a complete totalitarian hell. Where among visible politicians, in the media, are people talking about the sins of our empire and all the corporate whoring and fascism. After a brilliant and inspiring revolution for liberation and human rights in Egypt, the president, our sorry president, has sent an admiral to hold the hands of the Israelis and the Jordanian King. You can see the value Obama places on democracy. His administration was praising Mubarak right up to the last moment, when sheer embarrassment and the force of history forced the White House and State Department to change their tune.

    There are only a few moments, such as in the speech Rep. Paul has given, in our public sphere, where anything but the repeated tedious lies and delusions that justify America’s crimes across the world can ever be heard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    You’re mad he’s not respecting the word of a man who held people against their will in situations not fit for animals?

    On the next Hitler thread are you going to show up and start telling people. Yeah Hitler was a bad guy but some of the stuff he did for Welfare and the Autobahn were great ideas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Yeah, sorry he doesn’t get your Truth all he has are measly worthless facts. Please will your saint and savior Dr. Paul please guide him to the TRUTH. Show him the error of his ways please do not look unkind towards him he knows not what he says. Obviously Ron Paul has a real reason known only to the faithful for voting in ways that would destroy jobs and aid the wealthiest Americans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    You’re right how could I not see if before obviously they’re trying to silence you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    OMG you sir are an idiot. He said GILDED AGES. That’s not something you heard in World of Warcraft or on your Ayn Rand Objectivist Dating site.

    The Gilded Age
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

    I don’t blame you, school has obviously failed you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7YXXC2SVHOCUQV52DRHXNSEGYM Renne Martin

    liberal and libertarian meet in some places. I for one prefer that meeting than the Theocratic/Big Business Rep/Dem conflation we have going on right now. Whatever you think of Ron Paul you cannot say he does not follow through on what he believes and he stays above the GOP Terror Fear Fest fray. I respect him. I think his son is less principled and very immature. Dangerous combo.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT?????!!!!! You live in CANADA???? In Canada YOU don’t have to worry about how you’re going to pay your medical bills, or face possible bankruptcy should you or a family member fall ill. YOU have nothing to lose should there ever be a libertarian elected as POTUS. Go ahead, tell us how much you HATE your taxpayer-funded health care system, you miserable hypocrite. If you’re such a fan of Paul’s politics, why aren’t you working to elect CANADIAN libertarian candidates, you worthless weasel. What gives you any right to insult my President or to preach your anti-American and anti-government bullshit, you government-health care-covered piece of gopher excrement?

    Just STFU from now on, eh?

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul: ‘Government is in the process of failing’

    Then why would anyone vote for a goofy old bastard that hates the government, to run the government? And why would he run? Like Colonel sanders running a hen house. Dumbasses.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KXMM5MVAYZHUSPNY3W7Y57F2QI Laszlo

    When half the people involved in government are actively trying to make it fail in order to prove their ideology, how can it succeed?

  • Anonymous

    The problem with people like you is that you can’t believe that anyone can read von Mises or Rothbard or Hayek and find their arguments full of holes and come away not the least bit impressed with their circular and sometimes just plain unreasonable arguments. I have read about Rothbard, I think I’ll not waste any more of my money or precious time on such right wing fanaticism.

    I have read, von Misis “The Theory of Money and Credit” first published in 1912 where Von Mises actually does admit something that most of his propagandists don’t and that is that the gold standard isn’t a guarantee against inflation or market fluctuations, only that such fluctuations are less dramatic under a gold standard than without it, and I have read his 1037 page, 4 volume magnum opus, published by the Liberty Fund Inc., “Human Action: A Treatise on Economics” (1949).

    The actual argument is quite complex, convoluted, and extreme, but is at the most reductive (and all that indicates about it) level that a free market is responsible for everything of any worth in the world, and comprises 3 vols and 885 pages; the last volume comprises a 4 page appendix and a 120 page glossary of some of von Mises esoteric and at times nearly impenetrable language and a worthwhile and fairly complete index of people and concepts, but the author or editor or whoever wrote the glossary must have thought that some really stupid people were reading the book because not only does the glossary contain some definitions that are really helpful is also contains words with regular dictionary definitions like (and I am reading these directly from Vol. 4) “aberration,” “paramour,” “mores,” “mediate,” “Caucasian,” “Chimera,” “cognition,” “Confederates” (yes, those Confederates), concomitant, “copulation,” dogma,” “Ego,” “empathy,” “eunuch” (I’m not kidding–definition–”A castrated male.”), “fungible,” “Geology,” “harbinger,” “ineffable,” “irrational,” “obfuscated,” “omnipotence,” “omniscience,” etc. I think you can get the point, these are words that are nothing but filler and that anyone who reads this man should know or already possess a dictionary that contains them, putting them in a glossary like this is just silly. Not even Norton Critical Editions contain such definitions. Most of these words if I was reading and didn’t know I would look them up in a dictionary and not assume that they were in the glossary of eclectic or obscure monetary and economic terminology. But since the “glossary” also has short essays on such topics as “The Communist Manifesto” and “Das Kapital” is it more like an encyclopedia than simply a glossary.

    In short, the work by this author is quite dense but not any more convincing for all that than the works of Hayek, Friedman, Rand or others who share the same basic world view, and although the detail is excruciating at times, the argument is basically the same from a somewhat different perspective related from a study of why humans act within a market system the way they do. He calls Keynes teachings “even more contradictory and inconsistent…than those of…[other] monetary cranks” (793). He also claims that land set aside for National Parks is land that is taken out of production and therefore monetarily wasteful, as if its monetary worth or value, is the only value and all other value must ultimately be reduced to its monetary value which is absurd because we have no way of gauging generally what the value of the land in National Park might be worth until we have raped it and turned it into something else. It’s one of the most depressing things I have ever read, and wouldn’t recommend it. I read it so that I could refute it. Unless there is some special reason for reading it, I certainly wouldn’t recommend it for anyone who isn’t feeling masochistic. It is a painful, tedious, and extremely detailed rendition of Austrian School economic dogma as applied to nearly ever facet of human existence. And is even more obsessed with taxation than Hayek, if that is possible.

    I can understand how Jews who had just had everything that they and their forbears had ever owned completely or nearly completely stolen by fascist governments would have an unnatural paranoid obsession with taxation and the idea that government is out to steal everything you have worked for all your life, what I can’t understand is how anyone today can’t see where these theories are coming from and how damaging they are in a more normal governmental setting.

    I remain unconvinced that this is the way the world works nor would I want to live in a world that reflected this dogma in its extreme form. It is terrifying and a result of a particular time and place and should be confined there.

  • Jaimie11

    You are a stuck up little frat turd, aren’t you. If you’re interested in what I think, read my comments. Don’t assume you have any concept of my thinking until you have read them.

    You have only managed to reveal the extent of your own vast stupidity. I have no heroes or idols, unlike frat boys. I do my own thinking, again, unlike frat boys. Imagine believing there is such a thing as the TRUTH. You fool!

  • Jaimie11

    Ideas are beyond you frat boy! You are currently a slave. Apparently you like it that way.

  • Anonymous

    “The world is full of complainers, the fact is nothing comes with a guarantee. Now I don’t care if you are the Pope of Rome, the President of the United States, or man of the year, something can always go wrong. So go ahead complain, tell your problems to your neighbor, ask for help and watch him fly. Now in Russia they got it mapped out so that everyone pulls for everyone else; that’s the theory anyway. What I know about is Texas and down here you’re on your own.”

    Opening monologue from “Blood Simple” (1983).

  • Anonymous

    Not only that but Mr Sanacore first says “I really love your comment about capitalism throwing us back into the Guilded Ages.” but then when he continues to discuss the implications of capitalism he changes from “the Gilded Ages” to “the Middle Ages” and says “Doesn’t sound like a system that threw us into the Middle Ages, does it?” Since this all happens within the same paragraph it is clear that we are dealing with a confused and inarticulate individual.

  • Anonymous

    Regional historians during and immediately following the Jesus period fail to even mention him.

    At the very least, his historical existence is questionable. Most references to Josephus –the historical source most cited as verifying his existence, are regarded by current historians as either outright fraud, or “troublesome.”

    Apollonius Persius
    Appian Petronius
    Arrian Phaedrus
    Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
    Columella Phlegon
    Damis Pliny the Elder
    Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger
    Dion Pruseus Plutarch
    Epictetus Pompon Mela
    Favorinus Ptolemy
    Florus Lucius Quintilian
    Hermogones Quintius Curtius
    Josephus Seneca
    Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
    Juvenal Statius
    Lucanus Suetonius
    Lucian Tacitus
    Lysias Theon of Smyran
    Martial Valerius Flaccus
    Paterculus Valerius Maximus

    The historical existence of Jesus, the man, is a huge research project worthy of a life’s work.

  • Jaimie11

    It is said if you want to move a mountain, take one stone away with you each time you visit.

    NO, he will not bring down the power structure. He will expose the federal reserve for what it is. You have any idea how many believe it is government agency? And that there is gold in Fort Knox?

    What are you doing to expose the reality of the debt based money system. Hanging about playing guitar? How’s that going for you? Getting good information across to a lot of people?

    Ron Paul is.

  • Jaimie11

    I am sweet and naive? What a joke! You are the phony, old boy. You wouldn’t know authentic if you fell face first in it. I’ll bet you can’t even play that thing.

  • Jaimie11

    You are a simpleton hiding under there. Either that or lying to yourself is your only true accomplishment.

  • Jaimie11

    Who else hates the law? Your president and his owners.

  • Jaimie11

    The subhuman kind you are, bobby boy.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right, no one has ever said anything like that before! What an original idea!

  • tehamawhiteneck

    I believe the words of the great Peter O’Rourke said it all. “Rebublicans say that goverment does not work, then they get elected and prove it.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    I love going back to read some of his other comments that we must “learn from history or be doomed to repeat it”. I think that’s a common Libertarian fault they rely on a history that they don’t know much about. So they warp history to mean exactly what they want it to mean.

    As in:
    The industrial revolution was a great time where everyone worked as hard as they could and were rewarded justly for their efforts. The New Deal era was a time of great misery under which America’s long decline began.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    congratulations!…you finally figured out the avatar deal…there might be hope for you yet…

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, but you LIKE the fact that we prop up dictators….

  • Anonymous

    …and at least one politician has the guts to address it.

  • MNUSA

    No all people in our government are in prison. But those that are criminals should be put there. They can easily be replaced with people that have integrity.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EHJJXSTSSOCXLTSQBUVIDYUF7M Dave

    The right is not calling for an end to the forms of big government they approve of. Just the parts that help the little guy

    Government has done and continues to do some really good things for the common man. The right wants that stopped so they will try to screw up and cut the programs that help the average Joe. Then when those programs fail from underfunding or any of their other methods of sabotage they will use the “government can’t do anything right” talking point to get rid of all programs that help the little guy.

  • Anonymous

    You write “[Paul] cast two thirds of all the lone negative votes in the House”–that’s a rather strange set of conditions isn’t it? So 2/3rds of all the only negative votes on any bills in those two years were his. What does that mean exactly? And where is there any evidence that all those bills were spending bills? Or that this spending actually hurt us. Those were the Clinton years when the kinds of deficit spending that characterized the Reagan and Bush years had been staunched, inflation was nearly flat, and even though there was nearly full employment or at least as close to full employment as we have seen since the 60s during the height of the Vietnam war, and for the first time since Vietnam the debt was being paid down.

    I guess since you haven’t said anywhere that Paul voted against the Afghanistan War that he was all for that one–just like Obama!

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul–the second coming of his earlier Texas counterpart Ross Perot with the rough edges smoothed off, that is, sans the high pitched nasal silliness but destined for the same tragic end!

  • Anonymous

    Is that what you do in your classroom professor, dismiss with snide, snarky personal attacks those who ask you uncomfortable and pointed questions that you can’t easily answer?

  • Jaimie11

    You have no idea what’s going on Pag. You take a fact here, a fact there out of the larger context and throw them together to make something that is neither true nor helpful. It’s your choice. I have no problem with that. But I don’t need to take your seriously anymore. You aren’t serious. Your intentions are not good.

    When you have cultivated depth to match your breadth of knowledge. I’ll start taking notice.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, we ARE in the middle of a second Gilded Age.

  • Phil E. Drifter

    Love the new design layout, RAW!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Actually, just the Repub part of government is failing.

    And failing badly. It’s like they WANT to get thrown out in 2012, which they will.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    And you’re leaving out the problem of continuing population growth. Use the “rule of 72″ if you don’t think that is still a problem, even though no one talks about it anymore.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Raw. I am seeing HTML overlaying an ad which is turn overlaying the text at the top of the comments section.
    Google Chrome, latest version.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “There can be no civil liberties without social equality.”

    Indeed.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    There is no empirical scientific evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ. Perhaps unproven historical anecdotes but the question or “proof” is anything but settled. But I am sure it will be anytime now. It’s only been a a couple of dozen centuries or so.

    Moreover, I suspect if Robert were really “sitting in a government cubicle paid to troll forums” he would be promoting myths, not dismissing them.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    You’re not one of them are you davecdn?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Mark (MarkusGarvey) Estrada

    We are still working out some bugs and probably will be for the next few days…what resolution is your video configured for?. i have 2 monitors and use 1600 x 900 and 1280 x1024 and do not have this issue.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    A regulation with “five new loopholes” is still better than unregulated industry unless you want to eat cyanide and breath carbon monoxide and drink hydrochloric acid. One thing I am confident of, the Libertarian dream of self-regulating industry is the most absurdly laughable plank of their platform.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    That there’s hoam skoolin’ hisstree

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    How about it?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQPF4SAS4BGFLDBZYCATHIVFY Chris Herz

    I cheerfully admit to being an outright and unapologetic social democrat who believes the many problems Dr Paul so clearly exposes are the results of American corporatists’ “conservatism” operating in conjuction with their Democratic and Republican political auxiliaries. Under the dying system the corporations became the state, and the state the corporations. The Federal Reserve and all else follow therefrom.
    All the same for demographic and religious reasons for the forseeable future some form of conservatism is likely to continue ruling what is left of the US polity. Under that circumstance it is just as well that we have someone like Dr Paul pointing out the propects of this corporatist, neo-liberal state — dismal.
    The question is how to establish and rule whatever successor state or states follow the demise of the empire, already well advanced as Dr Paul so ably points out. Whatever system is established it will inherit the stupendous bankruptcy caused by the graft and corruption of the present state system. Its problems and challenges will be as outsized and intractible as those of the pesent Russian State which has succeeded the late Soviet State.
    Dr Paul is right to raise this comparison.
    Locally, here in Frederick, Maryland I have serious concerns for the Army biowar program centered here at Fort Detrick. When the USSR fell its arms became the booty of people like Viktor Bout with often disastrous results. I invite the Paulistas to consider this real and pressing problem.

  • Anonymous

    He is right about one thing: the US governement is failing. It is failing to do the People’s business by failing to tackle the deficit problem, Obama included. Forty cents on every dollar of Federal spending are borrowed (or printed). The Republicans won’t raise taxes and the Democrats won’t touch the entitlement programs. Our government is failing us.

  • Anonymous

    Remember that teaparty activist who during the debate over health care told the Congressperson to keep the government away from his Medicare?

    Ron Paul and his teaparty cohorts will be able to generate some support for a tearing down of government as long as 44 percent of Social Security recipients don’t know or think that it is a government program and 40 percent of Medicare recipients don’t know or think that it is a government program. I guess there are some really stupid people out there. I wonder where they think those checks come from…Santa Claus? No wonder people with ignorant ideas can become so popular. People are actually much dumber than even the most jaded people think.

    Here’s the chart and the results. Remember that these are percentages of people who actually use the program and don’t know that it is a government program or don’t know that they have even used it or that the government is paying for it. It is really quite amazing.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/keep-your-government-hands-off-my-government-programs/

  • michael2317

    Yeah, The idea of a free people, and The Constitution and The Bill of Rights are as antiquated as the reading of the future through chicken guts. They should all go and be replaced by a surveillance driven welfare/nanny state perpetually at war. That’s the future.
    Wake up Raymond, there was more to the founding fathers than slavery. I think your real problem is you don’t see yourself as an American at all.

  • michael2317

    And today Raymond, you are the slave. A willing house servant to be precise.

    “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

  • michael2317

    Messiah=Strawman
    Robert Strand=Bullshitting Marxist

    Yeah it must be insane to become a family practitioner, serve in Congress and raise a child to become a doctor and a Senator. Nuts…

  • michael2317

    Hey Bob-

    Who is we?
    You, Pagasae and Raymond?

    No you’re nobody’s mothers, you are trolls and we all see you for what you are, sellouts of your fellow man

  • michael2317

    Robert Burned said, “Rand Paul is a mad dog who ought to be put down.”

    That sounds like a veiled threat, or an encouragement to violence.

    You’ve tipped your hand, troll, you’re full of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Yeah I wish I was liberated like you. I guess you’re John Brown’s retarded niece come to save us from the evil people. Not respecting someone because they held slaves or were backwards on any number of points isn’t wrong headed. People knew slavery was wrong back then he doesn’t get a pass for the stuff he did to other human beings because he was a good leader.

    I hold everyone to the same standard regardless of what time the calendar had written on it because we’re all human beings and each have the same responsibilities to each other.

  • parrots_abound

    I shall eat your tears like candy…..cry more for me…it revives me like the morning dew does Roses.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, that is true. And everything you have said and done in your entire life is consistent, consistent, consistent. Maybe life is easier for you when you simply chuck out babies with their bath water. That’s your choice. I prefer to keep the baby and throw out the dirty water.

    History forces us to pan for gold. When I find gold I keep it. You and bobby the burned can throw it out. All the more for me.

    As for your wishing for my liberation, you’ll have to deal with your envy without me. Bye bye, frat boy.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps a new Republican party within the Republican party. Why start a new primary when you just have to win the primaries.

  • Taleisin

    I like your enthusiasm!

    As an Aussie, I notice that when Americans chat, they often end in name calling. If people have a different view on something, instead of working toward consensus, they pick a corner and come out fighting. Everything is black or white, entirely right or completely wrong. So many labels, so many opportunities to find disagreement. Instead of finding common ground and adult deliberation, they only see differences or make them up.

    I was told I was antisemitic on this site and 2 days later, I was called a Jewish boot-licker. People just make shit up in their heads. While you 98%ers are arguing about guns and abortions, they are cleaning out the nation’s cash register.

  • Anonymous

    unlike the dollar, which only has the purpose of trade in the market, gold can be used for things beyond trade.

    Dollar = Toilet paper. That’s another use!

    The founders also had an economy based on expansion and the outright taking of natural resources. That phase lasted @400 yrs and we are up against it now.

  • Anonymous

    We are well on the way to being Russia.

  • Anonymous

    He will score a lot of “like” on this site and get a thumb down from me for speaking out to please the crowd, not for the sake of the real Democracy or humanity. Tyrannies will also give him a thumb up. I don’t love Ron Paul any more since he tried to make the “internet hacker” a hero.

  • Anonymous

    How bout this, if you believe Ron Paul would make an excellent president then vote for him in the Republican primaries (if he decides to run) if you don’t agree and you believe Ron Paul would make an aweful president then don’t vote for him. After reading this blog I’ve noticed that to much time is spent disrespecting one another, what does this accomplish? I’m not saying that everyone on this blog is being disrespectful but there is definitely alot of it.

  • Jaimie11

    I guess it didn’t register with you that Faux News hates Ron Paul. I can tell where you were schooled – a government indoctrination center, dumbo.

  • Jaimie11

    The government schools are doing really well – 50 years ago kids took Latin, Greek, and French in high school. Now they do remedial English in college.

  • Jaimie11

    Problem with people like you is your head is up your ass.

  • Jaimie11

    Why thank you. So kind of you, I’m sure.

  • Jaimie11

    That hopey changey thang goin’ good for ya’?

  • Jaimie11

    Read my comment in full. The answer is already there.

    Why, why, why – oh why do you neurotic socialists look for bogeymen everywhere?

  • Jaimie11

    No he didn’t. He talks like a robot. He IS a robot. A heartless piece of tin and some gears, like you.

  • Jaimie11

    Yeah, yours!

  • Jaimie11

    Yes he did do that nasty little turn for Obama, didn’t he.

  • Jaimie11

    parrots – I don’t think that is so.

  • Jaimie11

    Where’d you get your own money? You have a day job? Or what?

  • Jaimie11

    UseLESS idiot!

  • Jaimie11

    Where are those with integrity to easily fill the places of the ones who are criminal? Thousands of criminals to every one with integrity! Have you any sense of proportion?

    Why don’t you go up there and make sure those thousands get put in prison? Or you can support people like Paul, McKinney, Nader, and offer some mighty help with the task.

  • Jaimie11

    Guess what yvonneo – the people of his district would be pretty damn angry with your butting in and telling them they cannot have the representative they want.

    That’s the problem with you socialists – you believe you can force your will onto the people. No wonder they feel they need guns – you guys are willing to use force. You are some mean sobs.

  • Jaimie11

    Who told you you were antisemitic, Talei? A Jewish boot-licker? You are Jewish? Or you lick jewish boots?

    Glad you survived the wars.

  • Jaimie11

    McCain’s ideas are too old.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Pour moi? I have never been one of O’BamBam’s worshippers. How’s it going for you?

  • Anonymous

    Well. I would if he did.

  • Anonymous

    Damed those facts anyway.

  • Jaimie11

    What facts would those be?

  • Anonymous

    And have been deprived of those things.

  • Anonymous

    And all you have to have is faith.

  • Anonymous

    That part of it works real well.

  • Anonymous

    Ah. But what a bowl cherries.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s how it really works. Everybody wants their own way. And everybody fights like hell to have it. You do it too.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing like being on message.

  • Anonymous

    I contacted them today for the same problem.

  • Taleisin

    Thanks Jaimie. Nothing shits a young man more than me saying, ‘I died in 3 war worlds for you.’
    You can watch their eyes glaze over in sheer boredom. Great fun!

    No I am not Jewish or anti-jewish. I am anti-israeli-foreign-policy.
    I have a few jewish friends but they are only as jewish as my ‘christian’ friends are christian.
    Which is, not really. Just because your born into a religion, does it make you one of them?

    I love a good riddle. I find the history of humanity and it’s great migrations, very pertinent to my little quest. The Jewish thing is an anomaly. I first notice it in the bible when upon returning from Babylon, they refused the Samaritans. I guess, it takes all of humanity to express all our different aspects; and we often dislike in other cultures the expression of traits that are repressed in our own culture. Somehow through history, the Jews have expressed a certain trait that is in the nature of humanity. If ‘they’ didn’t do it, someone else would need to. It is just one of the little mysteries of being human.

  • Jaimie11

    That’s called representative democracy.

    I do not want a one-size-fits-all solution to whatever difficulties I may experience handed down to me from some social engineer from the political class who I am forced to pay for his ill-advice. Nor am I interested in being told what to think or have my children told what they must think in schools I am forced to pay for even though I find the level of education in them appallingly low.

    When people who like being part of the items I listed above stop forcing me to pay for their preferred way of life, I will stop complaining, and I will have enough money returned to my wallet that I will be able to afford my preferred way of life.

    If you want to live a socialist dream, fund it yourselves. Oregon, Vermont soon, any number of states are going to be happy to help provide you the means to attain your goals. They simply are not my goals. Je refuse.

  • Jaimie11

    I think all those old testament bible stories are the record of a momentous change in human thinking from matriarchal polytheism to patriarchal monotheism, and taking them too literally outside of that context is unhelpful and contributes to racist interpretations. You might loosely compare the birth of monotheism to the American Revolution. A new way of conceiving God in the first instance, of conceiving government in the second – the Hebrews were revolutionaries who had to fight the still strong internal and external influences of polytheism. Hence all that killing, as in all revolutions where new ideas are met with resistance and force. The idea of the Hebrews being the chosen people of God is understandable then, if it is seen as a mantra for the purpose of giving a small minority a great deal of staying power in the face of threats from all sides.

    That is my take on the anomaly. I’d appreciate your letting me know what you think of my theory.

    Today’s bible literalist Ultra Orthodox Jewish settlers are not the philosophical descendants of the One God of the Hebrews the concept of whom has developed into an entity of light and love. Those settlers are a perversion created out of convergences of history with the unleashed ills of human kind that enable the most ungodlike behavior in the name of an old concept of God they have resurrected for political purposes. All humans do this sort of stuff as you most likely know. Do you think we will ever change? I don’t think so. And I think designing social engineering projects to be applied by top down government reformists will end up exacerbating the very problems they are meant to resolve. Meanwhile those hateful settlers should be prosecuted for their crimes. That would be lawful and proper and a move towards more fairness, at least, an opening to the way for peaceful coexistence.

  • http://twitter.com/carlocaraluzzo ithinkrevolution

    I am really beginning to like this guy. He may not have a chance in hell of actually doing anything, especially at 75, but dammit his ideas are solid. Why ARE we still supporting the Israelis illegal claim to that land? Why do we send them nearly nearly half TRILLION dollars every single year, 95% of which is in military aid so they can attack and bulldoze the homes of Palestinains, erect a wall around them and treat them like dirt. Why is our monetary system controlled by a group of FORIEGN BANKERS?

  • http://twitter.com/carlocaraluzzo ithinkrevolution

    Ray first of all kudos on actually using your real name and not hiding. You are probably mistaken about a historical Jesus however. He very probably was a real man but did not have the effect claimed in the New Testiment. The Church named the “gospels” after his Apostles because those names gave the story more credibility even though now they admit that they were not written by anyone who actually knew Jesus.
    Basicall what happened is that Paul took stories about this new idea in Judiasm and brought it to the world stage. Carefully reading the New Testiment will show you that every single point that Jesus made about tolarance, loving your neighbor, were taken by Paul and twisted. 26 books in the new tesitment and only 4 were even ABOUT Jesus, and none BY him.
    But Ray, the source of Christianity, and Islam and judiasm (and they jews claim to that land) is based in Genesis and Exodus. The claim is that a small family moved to Egypt to live in peace (abandoning the land “God” gave them) and after a period they were enslaved. The thing is that NOTHING in the historical, or archeological records, supports this. What the records DO say is that a group of invaders, called the Hyksos, or Shepard Kings, invaded Egypt, conquering the Northern Kingdom and driving Pharoah into Cush (Nubia). Pharaoh marshalled his forces, upgraded his weapons, and retook the Northern Kingdom. By that time the invaders had destroyed the Egyptian temples and erected temples to their ONE GOD. Sound familiar?
    This bible story is the very foundation of all three of the most poisonous religions every seen my man. But it makes much more sense to see them as invaders in light of thier actions during the last 3000 years.
    Do a search on Hyksos Ray. :)

  • Jaimie11

    Oh, I didn’t know that. Well, it is has not been improving with Obushma. In fact it’s getting worse.

  • Anonymous

    If you can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Everything with you turns into a selfish rant.

  • Jaimie11

    You would know what selfishness is – you are willing to steal my money for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    What did Kucinich do?

  • Taleisin

    Make yourself a cuppa.
    The oldest story we have is that of Gilgamesh and the snake won the prize. The snake is revered in other cultures, yet in the first chapters of the bible it becomes the first bad guy. This is a break from earlier belief systems and distorts the understanding of our development as a conscious species. Remember in Genesis, we only learn about a creator god, after the water and the sediment and the darkness have already been created. It doesn’t tell us where that stuff came from or who made it. We don’t learn it from the bible because it isn’t there. You would have to ask the Jews for that info. I believe primitive tribes are the best keepers of the creation stories.

    First, the creator god commands everything to be abundant and diversify ,then becomes as unforgiving as a woman. ;) We learn that god gets a taste for blood sacrifice. Abram (which is very similar to the Sanskrit Brahma) brings the revelation that his ‘god’ no longer requires the blood sacrifice of the eldest son. Animal blood will again be fine. Is that the god of love and light Jesus was talking of? Hardly. Mose’s birth is an continuance of the story of Osiris and he worships the desert god, known to the Egyptians as Seth, better known as Osiris’s evil brother. As the tribe travels in the wilderness, YHVH admits to the existence of other rival gods such as Baal. Only later do these gods become fake.

    During the escape from Egypt he gathers new abilities Parting water, controlling light at night, growing mushrooms. Anyway, all this is giving me a headache. Let me skip to the fight scene at the end…….

    If the Israelis were to get rid of the Rock of the Dome in Jerusalem, they would be able to rebuild the Temple of Solomon. Blood sacrificing would recommence. Forget, for a moment, about god. How would blood sacrificing to a god affect the human psyche? The Buddha strictly forbids it and I will stick with my vegetarian friends on that one. Sounds all too Aztec for me!

    The Aboriginal Stories, on the other hand, are beautiful. They say if we don’t take more than we need to survive, then the world when we wake up tomorrow, be the same as it was today and yesterday,and if we continue to do this, we can wake up on a renewed earth everyday and it will be just like the first day, every day. Do you see? The Aborigines woke up to the first day, every day! Now sing Cat Steven’s ‘Morning as Broken’ song to yourself. That was them, every day, living in the garden of Eden.

    Then, we whitefella turn up. Church of England, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran. All same mob. We give him bible and alcohol and take his land, eh. Now we all live in hell together. Thanks Yahovah!

    However, I have woken up, out in the bush, to the sounds of Australian birds and frogs singing in the new day. Rain is dripping on my head and everything around me is a blurry green. Beautiful. There is a life force in the trees and the grass and leaves and the animals, and even in the stones, and the rain. And, it is all connected. One conscious life force expressing itself with awe-inspiring diversity in everything around me. And I’m included. One. Is that polytheism?

  • http://twitter.com/mrtruli hazek

    I agree. He is a complete whack job. I mean seriously someone who want’s to strictly adhere to his oath of office and the constitution clearly isn’t sane, more over someone who says one thing during his campaign and then votes exactly as he said he would also can’t be thinking straight and to top it off he wants a limited government and a sound monetary system I mean wtf is he running for office then if he’s just going leave all that power with the people.. Plus the special interest don’t have him in their pocket so if nothing else that sure is a sign that he’s just plain old bad news.

    Right?

    Clearly. A whack-job. /end sarcasm

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Nopers. When Obama flip-flopped on the FISA amendment and telco immunity in 2007 I knew the whole thing was a charade. Prior to that, I was admittedly duped.
    The guy is a charlatan. One commenter on Salon from Chicago who is a community organizer said Obama was never a community organizer. Moreover, he has always run as a fake progressive and turned his back on his constituency the day after he took office, exactly as he did in 2008.
    Mr. Burned is right though, there will be another hopey changey waiting in the wings to replace this fucker.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “No doubt”? Bit of a stretch. I have doubt. Is there physical or other empirical evidence?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    I think it’s “Raymond”

  • Jaimie11

    And I knew that before he ever ran for prez. I knew he was a liar back at the Dem Convention when he was introduced as the wunderkind of democracy.

    I disagree that Obushma will be replaced. He is quite effectively doing his job for the oligarchs. He’s no fool and he’s scoring 100% for the War Party. All his bosses must do to assure his re-election is run someone like Palin or Bachman, or some other offensively ignorant person on the ticket. I will wager there will be waves and waves of anti-Republican sentiment that will easily hand him a second term.

  • Jaimie11

    The health care bill was unread but all knew it did not include the public option Kucinich and others were holding our for. After an airplane ride with Obushma, Kucinich emerged grinning ear to ear at Obushma’s side, selling out his own constituents and all who wanted the public option. His capitulation stunned his supporters. And this on a vote in which his holdout carried enormous power.

  • Anonymous

    Yes… I remember, 100% sellout… They have all sold out… Ron Paul was thrown off the racist YAF board. What the hell was he doing on that board anyway, talk about creepy, the “brown shirts” all the way. Hey did you notice you can “follow” people on disqus? I clicked the follow button, so I can see your disqus comments, hope you don’t mind… You can follow me too if you want.

  • Jaimie11

    Thanks sun – I like your new avatar – imagine – now how do we get there without criminal banksters stealing our wealth and using it to create division and strife in the world? That’s where Ron Paul comes in, and Kucinich and Nader, McKinney – whatever positive they can contribute let’s accept their offerings in peace but with caution and critical overseeing of what else they propose.

  • Guest

    Beautifully spoken.

  • Taleisin

    Thanks. I edited it too heavily. But better to keep it as a rant than a rabble.
    There is a preacher in every protestant. Even me.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know what you are talking about, he support earmarks, what he spent money on wasn’t pork, he just disagrees with the other crap added to the bill..again with people like you its just BS to support their corporate candidates who made you look stupid..like Obama.

  • Anonymous

    More bullshit, not Homophobe, not Islamophobe and NOT racist..bs bs bs..

  • Anonymous

    How about you go fuck yourself, if there were no laws in your country that gave the insurance companies monopolies your care would be cheaper than ours. I never said I agreed with him on healthcare but on everything else yes, so go fuck yourself ok..real hard and with something sharp.

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