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Bill Maher cast doubts on Obama’s Christian identity

By Nathan Diebenow
Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:34 EDT
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The liberal host of a popular cable television talk show recently cast doubts on President Barack Obama’s espoused Christianity during a discussion on the president’s current political leanings.

“I think he’s a centrist the way he’s a Christian,” Bill Maher of HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher said to a round of laughs Friday.

He continued, “He’s pretending to be a centrist.”

Philosopher Cornel West disagreed emphatically with Maher’s description of the president’s political identity and religious beliefs.

“He is a Christian. He is a Christian,” West said.”He’s just a centrist Christian. He’s not a prophetic Christian.”

Maher, whose atheist worldview was captured in his recent documentary “Religulous,” replied that Obama was reared by his late mother who described herself as a “secular humanist,” which the host later said he believed Obama to be as well.

“But he reacted against that though,” West responded. “He changed his mind on the God question, Brother Bill.”

Maher then explained his point that Obama has pretended to hold a Christian viewpoint standing against same-sex marriage, for example, only to further his political ambitions.

West, however, insisted that being a Christian is not necessarily a “political orientation” for Obama.

“He is a Christian,” he maintained, to which Maher quipped, “I just don’t believe him.”

But West did get the second to last laugh when Maher attempted to move the discussion away from religion.

“But somebody is wrong about this thing, you know?” West said.

The meme that Obama is a “secret Muslim” was evident during the 2008 presidential campaign. The president has yet to shake the label, according to a recent poll Maher quoted.

The video is from HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, broadcast Feb. 11, 2011, as snipped by Mediaite.

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    According to Article 6 of the Constitution, religious tests are not permitted.

    Having said that, who are we to judge what is in someone’s heart? I believe that Obama follows Christ better than so called repub Christians. Obama follows the Prince of Peace. Obama follows the Sermon on the Mount. This I know to be true because of his policies. Repub Christians do not follow the Prince of Peace or the Sermon on the Mount by the polices they support.
    I like Bill Maher, but he has no business talking about Obama’s religious beliefs. In reality no one does. What you believe or don’t believe is up to you and your God if you so choose to believe.
    Religion has nothing to do with it and what the repubs have done with their version of Christian is totally immoral.

  • Anonymous

    The Inquisition of our new Holy Roman Empire has only just begun. Reason, science, and medicine that does not conform will be crushed mercilessly. The detention camps will be filling up soon.

  • Ed Dominguez

    Only in the USA where religion plays a role, for the leaders of this land. Can not wait until we can get away from religion in gov. God only bless America, but not the rest of the world. Well God blessed Canada they have free health care.

  • Anonymous

    WELL, Obama’s stance on cutting the federal heating oil subsidy to help the poor makes me think Maher is right. Obama aint much of a Christian….but then, most other GOPS who call themselves Christian don’t practice what they preach either.

  • Anonymous

    How the hell can anyone be a “secret” anything? Not to mention, if the test of one’s religion is, as it seems to be, that one is a complete asshole to everyone who isn’t one of YOU, then no, he’s not one. If the idea is that you go to church and try and live by it’s guidance, then he is. The whole Muslim idea is BS, and anyone with a brain remembers that he was castigated for going to a CHRISTIAN CHURCH for over a decade where the pastor has some views the right didn’t like. His children were baptised there, he was married there, how does THAT lead to a Muslim AT ALL?

    And really, who gives a flying fuck? It’s NOT a thing that is supposed to matter AT ALL in our decision of who to elect. In fact, it’s unconstitutional to do so. So all you IDIOTS who want to bitch about something that is OBVIOUS to anyone with a brain, YOU are the ones who don’t know what the constitution DEMANDS regardless of how much you scream about it.

    Goddamn, the hypocrisy of the right is astonishing, let alone their stupidity.

  • Ed Dominguez

    Right on! Don’t tell me how to pray and I won’t tell you how or who to believe in.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is a cultural Christian, but not an evangelical. He is definitely not a Muslim, c’mon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorothy-Banks/100001470098554 Dorothy Banks

    Maher, like hate talk radio and TV, have walk in the steps of stupidity to get attention. Because he is a nonbeliever in God and his teachings, he will never understand President Obama or anyone else who does not rebuke God. Teabagger Republicans will latch onto Maher’s statement, using it in an ad. He just rubber stamped what they want the world to believe.

    I am not a fan of Maher, but I cannot look into his heart to see who he worships, or what he believes in. Perhaps his god is himself. And that’s OK. The God I know accepts us all whether we believe in him or hate him. That is the art of forgiveness, a character trait that many Americans seen to hate about President Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Bill Maher, while I think is funny, is an atheist and not an expert on religion. Not all Christians are the ignorant fundamentalists.

  • gypski®

    Time to take religion or one specific religion out of the picture totally. The cause of all the world’s problems. Fucking religions and their bullshit dogmas that no one truly follows to the letter.

  • Guest

    Ah, Churchianity… didn’t Jesus say to love your enemies? I’m thinking that didn’t mean blow them up… and their wives… and their children.

    Stop the wars, Obama! That would convince me more than anything where your true allegences lie. Who cares what these doofuses think?

  • Anonymous

    All this BS about Obama’s religion is getting tiresome. I really don’t care what his religion is. Like the previous commenter said religious test are not permitted according to Article 6 of the Constitution. That said, if we are going to criticize the man let’s be honest and criticize his policies. He ran and sits in the WH as a Democrat but in the 2+ years he’s been in office he has shown himself to be more Rethuglican than Democrat. Favoring the Bankers and Wall Street over Main Street, tax breaks for the wealthy, continued wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and now Pakistan as well. Add to all that his pushing to extend the Patriot act for 3 years, failure to prosecute the bankers and Wall Street geniuses that dumped our economy in the toilet and foremost failure to prosecute the criminals in the “Bush Administration” that authorized torture. there are many more examples but I believe that I’ve shown enough to make my point.

  • Dirk

    Maher’s right this time. Obama is smart enough to know what philology is. Holy books were written by men and crappily transcribed/translated over and over again before reaching their current canonical forms.

  • Anonymous

    Who gives a fuck! what’s so pristine about that fucked up religion? ALL religions suck!

    !

  • ProgressiveInNewYork

    Nor are, in my experience, all christians expert on their own religion. Most seem to have no idea of the history, evolution or cultural shifts in their own religion.

  • MNUSA

    President Obama wrote about his religious beliefs in his first book. It’s a beautiful story, and no one has the right to disavow his experiences or beliefs. However, we keep religion and the government separate in the US. It doesn’t matter if he is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, Mormon, Hindu or whatever. However I do want to know if the candidates belong to some doomsday cult or that nutty, hateful church in Kansas.

  • Anonymous

    Wasn’t it W that wanted to be our dictator? He was christian, he said, anybody question him? Only counts if you go to their church? Thought we had religious freedom? How can you raise a family, when you are never home? How can you have so much hate for your fellow man?

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Obama is the ultimate snake oil dealer, he is everything you want him to be…..

  • Anonymous

    Was Maher trying to imply O is an atheist, like him?

    In any event the question is absolutely OUT OF LINE.

  • Cussin’ Jack

    Abso-fucking-lutely! Who the hell cares if he’s Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, or Jedi? Maybe he’s the goddamned Prince of Darkness. Who knows? In my mind, professing to be Christian is no benefit for me … it’s a HUGE negative.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    I really do not care what his religious views are. I do care about the bad Bush policies that he continues to follow.

  • Anonymous

    I get his point President Obama shows his Christianity in his actions not his words.

  • cannotvote

    So tell me where separation of church and state applies here – shouldn’t matter what religion he is, so why does it? In fact he should be atheist!

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t know what point Maher is trying to make beyond indicating he is personally disappointed with Obama. The truth about religion in America is that outside the hollows of Kentucky and the caverns of Brooklyn most people are nominally Christians, Jewish and Muslim. Only a minority of Americans are comic book versions of the really religious.

  • Anonymous

    Maher’s objection is not to his religion, but to his *misrepresentation* of himself as being a Christian IFhe is not one.

  • Anonymous

    His support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan DO demonstrate his Christian beliefs, since Christians in the US, both in various poobah-hierarchies and among the rank-and-file, were nearly unanimous in their support.

    Maher is wrong.

    (P.S. – O pretended that he opposed the upcoming invasion of Iraq in that 10/2/02 speech, but … NOWHERE in that speech does he say he is opposed to it.)

  • Anonymous

    just more sensationalism to divert us from topics of importance.

  • shinyorbs

    bullshit. We’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gitmo is still opened, Bush and Cheney are still NOT under investigation so you’re wrong, he’s NOT everything we want him to be.

  • Anonymous

    This is about as pointless as arguing about his birth certificate.
    Lets focus on his actions in the WH.

  • Anonymous

    I believe this is more sensationalism to divert us from real news and important issues.

  • Anonymous

    Lets entertain Maher and this rumor for a second.

    What if Obama was a secret Progressive, Secular Humanist pretending to be a Centrist and Christian to raise political points?
    What are you going to do about it?
    Obviously he’d have to hold that lie to the day he dies so what good does it bring to even consider it?

  • Anonymous

    I like Bill Maher but he’s a Zionist – which to me seems incongruous with his self-proclaimed atheism

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    They’re all Christian,that’s why there’s so much pork in every bill they pass. They invest heavy in pork futures.

  • Anonymous

    People need to get passed this idea that members of the ruling class share their values. They don’t. They don’t care about you and they don’t care about your spiritual beliefs except insofar as they can manipulate them to suit their own agendas.

    Presumably there are a fair amount of politicians who believe in this or that religion, just like any other group, but I would imagine the folks at the top embrace the Straussian view that religion is a tool to manipulate the stupid hoi polloi. At least that’s what the evidence seems to bear out.

    Even W., believed by most to be some sort of religious fanatic who “talked to God”, thought religion was “silly”, according to a former girlfriend. As outlined by Russ Baker in Family of Secrets, the whole evangelical conversion shtick was just a cynical political ploy to capture the fundie hoards. Baker makes a compelling case, too detailed to go into here.

    In any case, I agree with others that this is a non-issue. Obama is a devil, even if he believes in God. He takes the whole forked tongue thing to an entirely different level.

  • Guest

    Why do you even NEED a God? The art of forgiveness is common decency. People created their gods for many reasons, one being to allay fears. I just don’t understand how a NEED for a supreme being is rational?

  • Guest

    This video clip should show the posters who condemn Bill Maher for being an Obama apologist that they are wrong. Replay the video if you didn’t notice.

  • Anonymous

    He WAS an apologist. Like the rest Of the rats they are fleeing the sinking ship called the Obama administration

  • Anonymous

    Really does not matter nor should it. I’ve never voted for anyone based on that person being religious or not. Now, when I see sister Sarah being exercised by some weird African priest on You Tube, that does tend to influence my vote a little. But, what difference does it make which invisible man in the sky one believes in. I personally, think, believing in invisible men to be a mental defect. To each his own.

  • Guest

    ANOTHER excellent, insightful-through-the-crap post, WJM51!

    It is interesting, isn’t it? that the bottom-feeders are forgetting the Rev. Wright fiasco and Obama’s ties to that church for a long time. A convenient memory lapse to “prove” more of their bullshit is truth?

    By the way: The Reverend Wright Was RIGHT!

  • Guest

    Sorry…can’t buy it. We all went through the “honeymoon period” of W’s departure and the faith that Obama would turn it all around. Well, you know how that turned out. Hey, I’m no Obama fan either but he’s a couple of floors up from W and his crew of criminals and deconstructionists!

  • Guest

    Well said, TruthRegimes!

  • Anonymous

    Are you paying attention to CPAC? Obama will be re-elected.

    The repub party is all messed up. It is too white, too male, too old, racist, homophobic, hateful anti woman, anti worker, anti environment, anti our diversity which is who we are here and now in 2011!! (I am white)
    I feel very very very sorry for folks like you who are so propagandized by Fox Lies, your church, corporate media run by repub board members, and massive rightie talk radion domination all over the land.

  • Anonymous

    Maher is a lot like Arianna (with whom he clearly has a more-than-friends relationship:
    “borrow a cup of sugar”), a whiney limousine liberal who actually thinks he thinks. He “thinks” with any appendage he can locate other than his head. It’s so easy to jump on the completely lost and dazed Repos and conservatives, so he does that and people think he is liberal. The president says he is a Christian, but the atheist just can’t accept that for whatever reason. Last night’s program was the worst ever. Childish, and the first time I ever saw him blush (the discussion with and about Arianna). Simply not worth the time. He’s just not funny anymore. Like Rush, he takes himself way, way seriously.

  • Anonymous

    People are defined by their acts – nothing more, nothing less. It is totally meningless what they say they are, or what others say they are.

  • Guest

    “People need to get passed this idea that members of the ruling class share their values. They don’t.”

    Well said, Durrutix! We–”down here”–are pretty much on our own, when it comes right down to it. Legislation is aimed at favoring the “haves” and the corporations. We are the “Cattle” and the “Chattel” to them–nothing more.

  • Guest

    Must mean they are pigs? (-:)

  • Anonymous

    Why does anyone care what Bill Maher thinks about anything?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it funny how organized religion has totally hijacked faith? Most people today wouldn’t even know the difference between the two. I have always said to friends and family that if we are a pluralist nation with religious freedom, should it matter the religious leanings of our President? While, during current hysteria over Islam, it would be virtually impossible for a practicing Muslim to be President, but that does not mean someone who is should not attempt. We need to respect religion and respect its power over people. We also must understand that even if the President were Muslim, he/she must be representative of all of the people from all backgrounds. There will come a day when humanity shakes off organized religion and simply lives by faith alone. When that day comes, the world will be a much better place.

  • Guest
  • Anonymous

    Let’s just add another “O” & worship “GOOD” instead of an amorphous abstract “God”.

  • Guest

    Then why are there STILL two wars of aggression being waged. Seems counter to what the alleged “Prince of Peace” had to say.

  • Anonymous

    There is little religious freedom in this country today. The military academies are a good example as well as the religiously hypocritical south. The religion test is mandatory for any position in public office in the US. Remember the difficulty for JFK? All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

  • Anonymous

    How is Bill a Zionist?

  • Anonymous

    I wish our President was an atheist.

  • Guest

    EXTREMELY well said, lalalelu!!!

  • Guest

    Then he wouldn’t be the President given the pulse of religion in the country. But it WOULD be nice to have an atheist President; then he/she wouldn’t have to kiss the asses of the right wing “Hypochristians”.

  • alfredo

    Yes! Why is it necessary to pray in public???
    “Go into your closet and pray in the dark!” if you do that it doesn’t matter whether you close your eyes or not; you wont see a thing. And absolutely nothing or nobody will see you.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Why is it necessary to pray to a non-existent God? The Dark Ages remains…

  • Anonymous

    It’s so fun to watch the Repos underestimate Obama. They do it over and over again, never learning from the experience. Repos threw McCain under the bus because they thought they couldn’t beat Hillary, and then the Black Guy won! So they pulled out one of their “stars” as the VP candidate, but still lost. What a shock. Obama chose to go to Eqypt for a major speech after the election and before his inauguration, and everybody knew that was a stupid idea. And then Egypt erupted and Obama played the play ‘em/hold ‘em game perfectly, even though many claimed he didn’t understand the situation. What a shock. Repos criticized the saving of AMC, and then all the moneys got paid back and the industry was saved. What a shock. Then, Obama was dispirited and beaten after the November elections, and then the December blitzkrieg. What a shock. Pathetic, but funny.

  • alfredo

    Mr. West is right about that you can’t see what’s in somebody’s heart.
    But if you G.W. Bush you can look somebody in the eyes and get a sense of their soul. Now that’s good insight.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    “Not all Christians are the ignorant fundamentalists.”

    Very true…but there are surely enough of them who practice hate and discrimination to cause more rational people to question the motives of Christians in general.

  • Jaimie11

    The dictatorship is being made out of the Office of the Presidency by slowly increasing the powers of the office counter to the Constitution’s requirements for a balance of powers among the branches of government. This office of the dictatorship is occupied by a series of puppets placed in there by the oligarchs who are the actual dictators.

    You’re right about Bush – he did mention out loud and in front of a rolling camera that he wanted to be dictator. Ironic isn’t it, in that regard Bush may turn out to be the most honest of modern presidents?

    As for Maher, he is such a low-level, limp tool of the dictatorship he’s a disgrace to ethical atheism. His claim to being a Libertarian is most probably the result of his confusing the word libertine with Libertarian.

  • Anonymous

    In answer to a question from Bill, a guest on his show, a journalist I believe, said he didn’t believe that Israel was worth a single American dollar or a single drop of American blood and Bill aggressively argued otherwise.

    …and some of his incidental comments.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJG7CFKLPNKAHETCZHP7YUSXTU paisano

    lemmesee obamas grand parents are irish americans /aka catholic unless catholics are nt christian huh oldest church in history located in roma italia the aposltle paul is buried in the sistene chapel ,as is the many popes that ran the joint how manyapostles of jesuses followers are buried in baptist cemeteries saint ronald raygundoesnt count ?nor does messiah glennbeck , or sarah jesus palin .i,m cursillista and catholic christian , but they always taught me not to judge unlest thou wanted tobe .

  • http://twitter.com/ChristopherFTL Christopher

    President Pootie Tang is busy trying to gut Social Security, waging wars, and slashing Federal subsidies for the Low Income Heating Program. He has a demonstrated contempt for the poor, the elderly and the disabled in America. Does this sound like Christian behavior?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJG7CFKLPNKAHETCZHP7YUSXTU paisano

    lemessee the lords prayer goes ike this our father whom thou rt inheaven hallowed be thy name thy kingdom come thywill be done onearth as it is in heaven ,give us this day our dailey bread and forgives our trespasses lead us not into temptation but delivers us from evil,n it says nothing about rwing or left wingers it says to forgive me jesus and lead me away fromtemptation and sin and evil thoughts ,amen

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJG7CFKLPNKAHETCZHP7YUSXTU paisano

    as we forgive those that trepass agianst us sorry laptop omits some letter s

  • Anonymous

    Yo… ‘Mericans!
    George Bush is a Christian.
    Jesus told him to invade Iraq.
    He did. You’re still there. Are you sure you want another Christian for a president?
    Better go with a secular humanist or an atheist.
    At least they won’t be killing people because Jesus tells them to.

    You do realise that most people who kill people because ‘Jesus tells them to’ get a visit from the men in white coats and a straitjacket? Only presidents actually get away with this crap.

  • Anonymous

    As an atheist, would I be wrong to say “Amen” to this reply? :)

    Gotta love this Pew poll: http://pewforum.org/other-beliefs-and-practices/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey.aspx

  • Jaimie11

    Too bad Obama’s forgiveness does not extend to the defenseless people his policies are killing daily and nightly, or to the victims of torture he has not yet stood up for by prosecuting the war criminals of previous administrations. I suppose his extension of forgiveness to those criminals is in his own self-interest, as he has taken his place among them and joined their ranks.

  • Jaimie11

    Devil is being sarcastic, shinyorbs. And come to think of it, during the campaign Obama walked on water and was going to save the world. His words, empty as they were, were ready to be filled with our projections, and most of us laid our dreams at his feet like flowers. He was what we wanted him to be. He is plastic man that way.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    you could always say “rAmen”…xD

  • Anonymous

    I’ll stand up for anyone’s right to practice the religion of their choice. That doesn’t mean I have to respect religion of any stripe. If anything, humans in general and Americans in particular are way too deferential to religion.

    We’ve put men on the moon and can communicate instantly with someone on the other side of the globe. For the good of the human race, we need to put this notion of gods and its attendant superstition behind us once and for all.

  • Anonymous

    Our last president was “guided by god” and look what it got us. Two quagmires and a bankrupt country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4R2P2BMMM5JTCYWGEU4YW6UWQ Dago T

    Cornell West AND Bill Maher? Eeeech! Thank Buddha I’m too poor to afford HBO.

    I know, I’m a libbie, and I’m supposed to go lock-step with everyone else who’s a libbie. But Bill Maher is a little puke punk.

  • Jaimie11

    Thanks sanity – I did not know that about him.

  • Jaimie11

    look at the video sanity gave you the link to.

  • Jaimie11

    Pigs are nice, don’t insult them. Hell, they’re really smart too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KFOFZHLUNJCQATOHPSVHSFKP3I pw

    Politicians worship the god of greed, war, influence, power, adultery, and deception…

    …Or are indirectly subservient to this God.

    Religion is merely used as a facade, to appeal to the masses who do believe in religion.

  • Guest

    HA! HA! HA! HA! Good point. I apologize to all the Four-footed pigs out there but my comment stands for the two-leggeds.

  • http://SALON WHITE DRAGON

    Putz…thy name is Maher. 1) Obama is not a muslim despite your innuendo 2) He is not a muslim
    despite your political proclivities 3) He is not a muslim because you need him to be to sell your book. (What were you doing in Israel…research?)

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, I did not know that. I question whether Bill is a Zionist though. I wonder if any support for Israel is the same as Zionism in that there are other reasons someone might have for supporting Israel. On the other hand, the guy Bill was talking to is of the opinion that there are no good reasons for supporting any other countries if they will have a cost to America. I am pro-America too but when you get yourself backed into a corner with only yes or no answers to complicated questions, if you see the world in only black and white then it can become difficult to support your position when the details need attention.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SJE5NKG2LAOTZVOCWJ6O4VDK3I Liz

    You know what I really want? I want a female, post-menopausal atheist running this country.

  • Anonymous

    huh??

    “Repub Christians do not follow the Prince of Peace or the Sermon on the Mount by the polices they support.”

    seriously??

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  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    This is why I can’t stand people like Bill Maher, he constantly prattles on about how Christians try to interfere in his life or are constantly bothering him. Obama practices whatever he believes in private. As long as he continues to do that no one on this Earth has the right to question his beliefs.

    Bill Maher to my understanding has never had a one on one conversation with Obama. If someone chooses to believe in something I can care less as long as they follow the basic laws of human decency and do not attempt to push those beliefs on anyone else who doesn’t want them I can care less.

    Tolerance goes both ways.

  • Anonymous

    Cripes, does anyone believe bush was a real christian? Religion became a marketing tool to lure votes and nothing more. Bush allowed 9/11, lied us into an unnecessary war killing thousands. His whole adm. was nothing but lies, torture, murders and theft! A good christian would have a conscience and empathy for people {Katrina?} and bush has neither. If the suffering isn’t done by him personally he just can’t be bothered with it. So bush to misrepresented his religious beliefs. It’s just politics.

  • Anonymous

    Anybody who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine ferment —Karl Marx

  • Anonymous

    What Obama does or believes in private is indeed his own private business. What he does in public however, particularly in his role as President of the United States of America, is the business of each and every citizen, human and Corporate alike.

  • Anonymous

    Maher also panders. Just as it is the President’s job to be a professional politician it’s Maher’s job to be an entertainer.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, our last *several*. Let’s just say that since the Cold War Against The Godless Communists started, presidents found religious rhetoric to be a very useful tool in manipulating the masses. Works so good that, in cahoots with America’s pastors, they have Christians believing Jesus wants them to spread hatred in His name. Luckily, once the Cold War ended (actually starting with Nixon’s underlings at the time) they’d already started preparing the theocratics for a long siege. This happened to dovetail very nicely with a few, “I’m powerless and need God to save me” presidents and the rise of sponsorships by Corporate Citizens…

  • http://www.facebook.com/rmorganhazard Bob Hazard

    Repubs are against feeding the poor. When Christ took three loaves of bread and three fish and fed the multitudes, what do you think he was doing?

    Repubs are against healthcare for the poor. When Christ healed the sick with his touch, what do you think he was doing?

    Repubs are for killing people via capital punishment. When Christ was nailed to the cross, what do think he was doing?

  • WitsEnd66

    Excuse me, Maher was not saying that he think the president is a Muslim. I watched the entire program twice last night and definitely wasn’t left with that impression. Maher said he felt that the president, on occasion, appears to be more agnostic or that he sometimes uses his Christianity as an excuse to oppose same sex marriage. Please don’t attribute the Muslim thing to Bill Maher, he doesn’t deserve it.

  • Anonymous

    There’s food under the key. Blow all around it. Turn it sideways and blow again. If that doesn’t help, very slowly and carefully remove the keycap, rubber spring and (fragile!) scissors hinge, then blow and put it back together.

    If none of that works, your keyboard has been possessed by the Devil or some minor demon. Find someone to perform ritual cleansing #47.

  • Anonymous

    It’s so disheartening meeting someone like you. You are one of the people who think this professional wrestlIng match is real. Obama is a puppet doing his masters bidding

  • Anonymous

    Looks like your ‘a’ key is going out, too. And you ‘e’ key is acting on it’s own. Maybe you are just a crappy typist? Nothing to be ashamed of.

  • Anonymous

    These day sadly it does sound very much like Christian behavior. So long as those who actually follow Jesus’ teachings of love and acceptance do not rise up and speak against the ones doing pure evil in the name of Christ, yeah, it sounds like Christian behavior.

  • Anonymous

    “Hypo-” means “less than”. “Hyper” means “more than”. Perhaps you meant some form of hypocrisy? “hypocritic” might work, as in “hypocritic christians”, but “Hypochristians” clearly means the opposite of, “Hyperchristians”. Still, I’ve often wondered what it would be like to not have decisions made that affect people’s lives be based on a certain book. One that was created and modified as a way to control ever-growing numbers of people. Problem is, lots and lots of people *want* to be part of such a thing. They are willing to trade individual thoughts, wants and needs for those of the group to which they belong. In itself, doesn’t sound like a bad thing. But in the case of modern Christianity, it’s based on hatred and causing harm to others. Not good.

  • Anonymous

    Obama ordered drone attacks in Afganistan that killed innocent children. How Christian is that? Enough is enough of this bullsh!t two party system. One wants to call themselves conservatives and waste our country’s resources….the other has to pay back the cost of what the other party did and be called out for it.

  • Anonymous

    You haven’t met me, we are merely exchanging different ideas, Dave. But I am curious whom you think Obama’s master is. And who was Bush 43s master? This could be very instructive. But may I ask: do you listen a lot to Glenn Beck? If you don’t, I would love to hear from you. If you do, let’s not waste our time. Thanks for responding.

  • Pelu Maad

    You have to pretend to be Christian to run for office in America. Obama’s not the first pretender.

  • Anonymous

    The is too religious freedom in this country today. So long as you pay the tithe and obey the rules, both written and social, you are free to do and say whatever your good christian heart desires. Just be sure to end it with, “Jesus is Great”.

  • Anonymous

    Pick up the book “The Family” by Jeff Sharlet, and prepare to be horrified, as to the extent this fundamentalist Christian group holds tremendous sway in our government today.

    or read a bit about it here http://www.alternet.org/rights/87665/

    Also, investigate the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon, and its ongoing influence, which really came to the fore in American political influence during the campaign of Ronald Reagan. The Washington Times was started, and is owned by none other than Sun Myung Moon.

    Also, check into how the Airforce has been overrun by Fundamentalist Christians.

    I wish it were true, that “we keep religion and the government separate in the US”.

  • Anonymous

    Faith is just a belief. For instance, I have faith that if I throw a penny up, it will come down. I have faith that the sun will appear to rise in the East tomorrow, barring clouds, or a hangover. I think you mean, ‘Spirituality’, that almost intrinsic need to feel connected to something larger. Even atheists have it, and it’s a good thing. Organized religion on the other hand, as played out by modern power-hungry charlatans, is evil. See, if multiple religions were acceptable in today’s America, so would not having any religion. Both are intolerable to those who make a living off circling the wagons against outsiders, the crux of many modern religions.

  • Pelu Maad

    Yep…he’s a real Crusader.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously the international banksters.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure that you are aware that money interests have always had a huge influence in world affairs, not just American affairs, and has always had that sway, for instance, WWI and WWII (both the Germans and Japanese, as well as American and English interests). Why single Obama out? He must swim in the sea in which he finds himself. Unless you really do want a socialist state and world order. So, what about Glenn Beck?

  • Pelu Maad

    You’re a “libbie” like that’s your picture.

  • Jaimie11

    I think if a person expresses support for the state of Israel without mentioning that he/she is horrified by the behavior of bible literalists who hate Palestinians because Palestinians live in the land bible literalists believe was given to them by God, then their Zionism is of the dangerous anti-democratic variety.

  • Anonymous

    Religion,ANY religion is a MYTH.It is a lot of hocus pocus,mumbo jumbo,superstitious,voodoo bulloshit.!! Religion is just a way to control people that don’t know how to control their own pathetic lives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Well, that’s it. I’m done with Bill Maher.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raymond.strand Raymond Strand

    Except much of the Scientific advancement of the past 1000 years have been by people who believed in one God or another. Science and faith whatever that faith is, are not exclusive. Your radical beliefs are just as much nonsense as the Christian Extremist who think Atheism is leading us to a new Dark Age.

    The truth is none of us can truly know one way or another what is the absolute truth. All science is based on observation that is limited by the human mind. Our perception of light is so limited we miss out on so much of the universe around us. Our hearing is a joke and the rest of our senses are basic. To pretend that any of us hairy little monkeys know the truth one way or the other is just stupidity. To bash others for their believes based on your own pretend knowledge of the truth is complete ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    Poor history lesson. As for glen beck. He is just another corporate minion used to keep the false left/right paradigm chugging along. As for Obama being in the bankers pocket. If you were any kind of real man you wouldn’t have sold your soul to the devil so you could be president

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    I don’t think you understand Article 6. It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    Jesus would never look forward on torture.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t say that anymore. Reminds me too much of all of it that I ate in younger days. Blah.

  • Anonymous

    And thank God they don’t. The human race would have died out by now. The Jews would be stoning ALL their disobedient children to death, the Muslims would be attacking everyone who isn’t one of them, the Christians would be doing multiple things to kill themselves (and everyone else) off, and the Buddhists would all be so busy contemplating they might forget to reproduce. It seems like it would only be the “primitive” cultures that would survive (and thrive).

    It occurs to me, might it be that writing down your philosophy makes it go crazy?

  • BigBuck

    Maher would like to think that everyone he admires shares his views on this subject.

    Sorry, Bill.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    A liberal wouldn’t call himself a “libbie.” This is like the fools who claim they belong to the “Democrat” Party. They are so brainwashed they don’t understand how obvious they are.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Hard to say but it looks like he’s tryin’ ta imitate one o’ dem neegro personages…

  • Tom

    As a former Catholic my view of the church and its obsession with the repression of sex is: “Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers…”

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Sorry, but I just can’t think of any less offensive way of saying it. You’re an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, so everyone in politics and at least Beck are corrupt. You may be correct, although you must extend the accusation to every person who has reached the age of 30. One way or another, we all serve someone else. Why do you go to work every day? Who pays your bills?

    Unless you have a substantial trust fund (and a robber baron ancestor who secured it for you) you are in the same sea as the rest of us. Including Obama. Would you rather than no one agreed to run for president?

    The history lesson is right on.

  • Anonymous

    Is Obama following the prince of peace when he has US military drones kill people? And yes, it is Obama personally giving the commands to make these attacks. He is not just bombing brown terrorists hiding in caves, he is killing wedding parties, women, children and men who have nothing to do with terrorism.

    That is the most hypocritical comment I have read in a long time.

    He is just as evil and Bush, Clinton, Mubarak, Pol Pot, etc.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    Excellent point. We DO NOT NEED a crypto-progressive. We need one who ACTS like a progressive. As long as he acts like a centrist/Republican, he’s no better than one.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    You mean like the revolution currently sweeping the globe triggered by Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I am an atheist but this issue is fucking ridiculous, who cares what Obama believes or not. Maher & Christopher “beach whaled” Hitchens are making a business out of atheism. their proselytism is idiotic, these new school atheists are as bigoted & intolerant as the religious crackpots.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    Huffington makes me want to vomit…

  • Anonymous

    I have a distrust of anyone claiming to be a “true believer” because I believe all religion is a myth. There is no credible evidence supporting the existence of a deity. Serious politicians always profess belief in the local deity, or they couldn’t get elected in a religious community. Situational ethics, or necessary situational hypocrisy, or stupidity.
    In my opinion we are either voting for a hypocrite or an idiot. I guess I’d rather have a hypocrite.

    When was the last time any politician running for office professed to be an atheist? Doesn’t happen.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is a centrist as long as we all believe there is such thing in this country as a left, a right, and a center. In reality, there are only two true divisions in this country: a top 1% that owns and controls everything and a bottom 99% that has little to nothing. In today’s politics, a centrist is anyone who favors the 1% but still pretends to care about the others. It’s a matter of rhetoric over substance.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    when he says libbie.libbie,libbie, it is libel,libel libel….

  • Guest

    “Perhaps you meant some form of hypocrisy?”
    Yes…I sort of made that word up. I didn’t know there was going to be a test. Guess I better put it back into the deeper recesses of the brain cells, eh? (-:)

  • Anonymous

    This is why churches should pay taxes. They are way too involved in the process. The point of my post really was about Bush invoking the name of God to invade an undeserving country.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, very seriously. I can’t even believe you would ask such a question.

    Their policies are in direct conflict with the teachings of Christ.

  • Anonymous

    In a long time??? Oh please. Why is it folks think the world is black and white? It isn’t. It has many shades of grey. You seem to have missed that.

  • Guest

    Politics is always a belief system based on some particular mythos, faith-based, rather than reality-based. But, it almost never has to do with some idea of an “old man in the sky”. You, Mr. Skeptic, should know that.

    Oh, I just want Obama to do the right thing and end the wars, bring the torturers to justice, and keep his mouth shut about his particular religious beliefs.

  • Anonymous
  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PF4BRQDF4633RPXV5TPFG7KV7Y LarryM

    Many of the people I know who claim to be Christian fall into one of two categories. 1. Those who, regardless of reason, think they must believe or they risk going to hell. 2. Those who hypocritically sit in the front pew during church and then go home and cheat on their taxes.

    There is a 3rd group of people though who do not attend any church but they do spend time thinking about some of the great issues of life and they attempt to live their lives making a difference. They really don’t care to be identified as Christian as that title has taken on a negative connotation for many, due, at least in part to the ravings of the “born agains.”

    Frankly, I could care less about President Obama’s religion. Haven’t we larger issues to deal with on this planet? I think so…

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Yeppers, Ray-o!

  • Anonymous

    Bill, you’re a funny guy, but there’s times like this that it seems your just missing a few brain cells.

    Palling around with Ann Coulter was another (that one really made me want to gag).

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Well, most republicans who go to church do not follow either. And, most Republicans do not go to church. i have been a church musician for 45 years. Multiple sects of the Christian faith. Most of these places are what my mumma used to call The Hospital for the Sick Soul (when I complained about their hypocritical behaviors). I wud consider myself an expert in this area.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    Article 6, paragraph 3 does not in any way suggest that people should not take religion into consideration when selecting or debating the worthiness of public officials. It simply makes it illegal to disqualify people from running or serving based on religious tests. Two completely different things.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    better watch out!…The Flying Spaghetti Monster will smite you with his noodley appendages…

  • Guest

    You got to be a fetus, because thereafter you can starve, freeze to death or die for want of medical attention and it will strengthen your character and please “God.”

  • Dr. Otto Taxpayer

    I would rather hear he read Mein Kampf on vacation than any tripe about Ronald Reagan

  • Dr. Otto Taxpayer

    Why is it necessary to pray to a non-existent God?
    Because I want to if for no other reason than someone tells me I shouldn’t or can’t or that it isn’t cool. I never tell someone to pray and I don’t want anyone telling me I shouldn’t.

  • Dr. Otto Taxpayer

    That is I nice way to put it Raymond I dub the Rayomatic aka Ray-o-light

  • Dr. Otto Taxpayer

    Screaming because it hurt, and thinking I’m supposed to die for these schmucks?

  • Dr. Otto Taxpayer

    How about a transvestite Like Bush the First.

  • Anonymous

    All hail the FSM. I am a great lover of pasta of all varieties, from the humble egg noodle to the sauce trapping radiatore. Love it all. But I’ve done WAY too much ramen, over the years, and just can’t even imagine doing any more. It’s like marzipan. My mother used to make it, and I ate so much of it one year that I can’t even think about it without going green in the gills. Oh, shit. Pardon me…

  • Anonymous

    Man, if he was an atheist I am sure that would be even worse than being a Muslim. These so-called Christians are unable to think outside the box so the people that can scare them. I am completely tired of hearing about what religion people are or aren’t. It is beyond tiresome.

  • Anonymous

    Then I guess we have never had a Christian President…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OSYTHKLFNG5CIA7NYRB7E7KRA Spy

    He is a political Christan not much different from the the Republican fundamentalists Christian hypocrites. They are all Christians of necessity and not practice.

  • Anonymous

    The president’s religion or lack thereof is utterly irrelevant as far as his ability to “run the country” goes. It should be none of anybody’s business. Separation between church and state means, to me at any rate, just that. Who CARES what his religion is? Is he capable of keeping a grip on the political, economic and foreign policy situation is the only question we need be concerned with. I also do not give a damn about any president’s personal sex life.

  • Anonymous

    I have a question for the Christians: WHICH God am I supposed to worship.

    There’s quite a few to choose from.

  • Anonymous

    The one that answers.

  • Anonymous

    Bill Maher only gives voice to what so many of already know… “Bait-and-Switch Barry” Obama cannot be trust.

  • Anonymous

    I used to like Bill Maher.

  • Anonymous

    And you have found that one…
    When New Orleans was hit with Katrina the Christians said that it was God punishing them.
    But when their home towns are hit with disaster , they say not a word..
    It is also nice the way they can create the meaning of the words in the bible to mean anything they wish to get across to one.
    They interpret it as literal or as a metaphor which ever fixd their need.

    You can tell this makes the republicans feel right at home. They can interpret anything the way they wish to at the time they are stating

  • Guest

    AWESOME POST, Raymond Strand!!! Right on the button!

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Unless you could bang her :)

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    not even with your dick…xD…and thanks, now i have to get that image out of my brain…

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I used to like Maher until he professed his unconditional love for israel & his friendship to Netanyahu. Maher is an egocentric & opportunist blow-hard, the fact he is atheist doesn’t change a thing for me (as an atheist myself). He is part of the problem. he pisses on Democrats and republicans because this is what he has to do for a living.

  • http://twitter.com/yardbird1964 Steve Bremner

    I agree. Obama is a fake xtian. And that is a good thing.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    When Maher stops pretending there’s nothing to suspicions that 911 was an inside job contracted to Mossad and Saudi intelligence then I’ll start respecting his opinions. Until then I’ll continue to view him and his buddy Ariana Huffington as gate keepers for the faux-left.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    Obama follows the Sermon on the Mount? Blaghahahahaha.

    Go read it again then come back and tell us why he is expanding the wars in Central Asia and Latin America. That’s War, with a capital W. Not exactly part of the Christian message…. er, let me rephrase that — not exactly part of Jesus’ message. That’s to say nothing of his approval for the assassinations of American citizens if he decides without due process that they’re a danger to national interests. And hoz-zabout that torture-rendition program he picked up on a lateral from Reicart Cheney of the Amerikan Reich?

    Christian my ass.

  • Guest

    Oh for crying out loud….why should we care???

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HF6V37D6JRZC7LATOJY2EL2IZU Manny

    Grow up Devil. I guess in your warped world view when atheists are perceived to do it, business is revolting. When Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggert et al do it, it is excusable or understandable?

    The Xtian privileged status in our “secular” country has got to be challenged and overturned soon. The American Taliban have been slowly and methodically pre-positioning for an all out coup d’etat against the Constitution and common sense.

    Taking cheap shots at those with the intelligence and guts to call them out is pathetic.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HF6V37D6JRZC7LATOJY2EL2IZU Manny

    He’s not a liberal. He is a libertarian.

  • Anonymous

    We can tell Obama follows the sermon on the mount the way he protects the least…of the bank owners. Also we can tell Obama follows the sermon on the mount because of the way he has increased the funds for home heating for the poor. And also the way he has stopped torture. And the way he would stopped all the wars and the way he would never use drones to kill innocent people.Yep that Obama is a real christian.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HF6V37D6JRZC7LATOJY2EL2IZU Manny

    I don’t particularly like or care for Bill Maher. But the guy actually does some pretty deep thinking. Unfortunately he is still a libertarian and not a lefty of any stripe.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HF6V37D6JRZC7LATOJY2EL2IZU Manny

    Don’t be so certain about that. Once you scratch under the surface there isn’t much difference between the two presidencies. Obama has actually ratcheted up the whole security state thing, failed to close Gitmo, turned his back on medical marijuana states, wooed corporate America, sided with Wall Street financiers repeatedly, perpetuated extreme rendition, etc., ad nauseum.

    It is not right and left (like there is any left in this country). It’s the privileged against the rest of us, I’m afraid.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes, I am the one who is supposed to grow up because I refuse to engage in a worthless rhetorical war with the religious?.Lol . You must be one of those new school atheists who discovered atheism through Maher himself :). If you were a long time atheist.you should know that we have nothing to prove.Keep up the fight crusader, if you think you will get religion out of people minds, you are as delusional as the believers :) .Most people need this religious bullshit, and you need your atheism to show the world how
    smart you really are……:)

  • Anonymous

    Bill get real updates. Barry is a muslim.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    His religion shouldn’t even be a talking point, be him Christian, Muslim or Atheist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GDE2R7SWY5AJVJQMKRGBF2DPBE scott

    in the discussion, it was clear he meant he thought obama might be agnostic, not muslim.
    i hope this site doesn’t follow the huffpo rule of over embellishing the article titles for clicks.
    Really like the new look of the site.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    Bill Maher should sell the AIPAC approved 9/11 fairytale more often.

  • MNUSA

    I don’t disagree with you at all. You bring out some reasons why it’s critical to keep religion and state separate. The “Family” members and the Moonies are cultists in my mind. I would definitely want to know if anyone running for office belonged to one of these groups. Heaven only knows what’s happening in our military forces.

  • http://www.petersaxemusic.com Peter Saxe

    Uhh.. I think Bill Maher was joking. Besides, Maher is an atheist.

  • Anonymous

    You can’t say someone follows the “Prince of Peace” if he murders people. He may claim he follows the Prince of Peace but those words would be hollow and empty.

    It is that simple.

  • Anonymous

    “Obama follows the Prince of Peace. Obama Sermon on the Mount. This I know to be true because of his policies”

    EXACTLY. Escalating the war in Afghanistan DOES show his commitment to BOTH the Sermon on the Mount AND following the Prince of Peace.

    . . . Yes, I do see your point.

    BTW, your statement about “who are we to judge what is in someone’s heart” is a hypocritical cliche. Christians and other religionists do it all day long.

  • godistwaddle

    Obama is far too intelligent to be a christ-tard, a must-tard, a hin-tard, a budd-tard, a mor-tard, a scientol-tard, or any other kind of “faith based” jerk.

  • Hassan i Sabbah

    There are places in the world where the very constitution bans the formation of political parties based upon ethnic or religious groupings. Then there are the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.

  • godistwaddle

    Obama is far too intelligent to be a christ-tard, a mus-tard, a hin-tard, a jew-tard, a scientol-tard, or any other kind of “faith-based” loser. 39 of 43 studies (Bell, metastudy, 2002) link belief to low I.Q. on average.

  • Anonymous

    The more arrogant and judgmental Bill M. gets, the less funny he is. Since he doesn’t believe in god, He should stop playing god.

  • berberry

    Yes it should. I like Obama, but I’d like him a lot more if he were atheist and said so. That, of course, would mean he’d never have been elected to anything. And that’s my point. Christians, apparently, won’t vote for anyone unless they know he or she believes in the same supernatural silliness they themselves believe in. So politicians are obliged to talk that talk, which – damn it – makes it absolutely imperative that we atheists talk about it, too. So get over it!

    If someone running for public office professes a belief in such magical nonsense as global floods, talking snakes, virgin birth and/or the bodily resurrection of the dead, then what the hell is wrong with someone like Bill Maher asking probing questions about it?

    We atheists aren’t the ones who brought this crap up, after all. Christians did. And if I have no choice but to vote for people who believe in that silly crap, then who are you to tell me I can’t even ask questions about it?

  • berberry

    Playing god? Are you serious? How is he playing god?

    Maher is talking about a politician who has professed a belief in the supernatural. Politicians are public figures, and if they wish to make their belief in magic public information, then why shouldn’t anyone – not just Maher – talk about it?

  • Anonymous

    Christianity is the religion of Satan. That’s why so much evil shit is done in its name.

  • Wyrdless

    It is rather sad that to be president in America you must profess belief that a man 2000 years ago rose from the dead and that that person is the only way to the afterlife. Mitt Romney and his special Mormon underpants doesn’t have a chance.

    Lots of people are ‘culturally’ christian My parents took me to church when I was young, and now that I am an adult, I know that my mother is an atheist, and my father is an agnostic.
    Why did they bring me to Catholic mass if they don’t believe in all that?

    So I could grow up with a connection to the community around me. A lot of people in the rural areas of the country have to fake it, becasue if they leave the church, all of their ‘friends’ will leave them. Of course this also happens in reverse.

  • Ignatzfattis

    Statements like that make me wonder where Bill Maher is really coming from. Sometimes I think I’m watching Beck in Maher’s clothing.He also said in the same show -and I paraphrase -”every one of those Egyptian protestors also believe that Isreal was behind 9/11″ as a response to the idea that they can wisely decide their own political fate. It sounded like he was channeling Beck.Bill claims to be anti-religion, and I of course notice that he is -more often playfully than not -critical of Christians, and of course he’s always ultra critical of Muslims, but offhand I don’t know that I have ever heard anything critical of Jews come out of him.

  • Anonymous

    That was my first thought when you posted your response! I just couldn’t think of anything witty in reply.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    FSM is a vengeful deity!…

  • Anonymous

    Eh. I get what you’re saying, but I think the use of the word “faith” is a bit incorrect, especially towards atheists. It tends to be a bit of a ‘gotcha’ word, mainly because the religious use it to ‘trick’ non-believers that they do buy into the whole greater power BS.

    I’m confident that the penny will hit the ground because of gravity, which has been tested and demonstrated to be true. There’s evidence to back up that observation. That’s not faith. That’s accepting a fact.

  • Jaimie11

    Just like a dumb leftie to divide people up into groups for the purpose of making blanket statements about them. When you grow up and can view people as individuals instead of boxing them up into neat categories you can hate or love, you will have attained adulthood, at long last.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Both the Muslim thing and the Birther thing are symptoms of a different problem.

    The RW simply doesn’t like black people. It’s as simple as that.

    Fox “News” constant harping about the “Muslim Brotherhood” in Egypt, the non-existent “New Black Panthers” party in the US, and Beck’s constant implications that black people are “reverse” racists and that the DEMs are Nazis are ample evidence of that.

  • Anonymous

    How can you possibly say that a man who orders pilotless drones to bomb women and children together with suspected “terrorists” follows the Sermon of the Mount? You must believe that “War is Peace.” Obama’s policies in Afghanistan are about as Christ like as Hitler’s toward Poland.

  • Guest

    Personally I don’t care if he ever sets foot in a church, and it’s better for all of us if he stays as far away as humanly possible from any religious nuts, be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, what have you.

    Leave the man and his faith alone, and just call him out on BS like his refusal to support same-sex marriage NOW when he was FOR IT before.

    Not everyone has forgotten the ultraliberal/progressive stands he took when he was an Illinois State Senator, “Christian” or not.

  • Anonymous

    Well, if you ask me, and I know that you’re not, I’d say Obama is a Christian in the same way Christ, as he’s presented to us, advocated war and oppression too.

  • Anonymous

    Not being a Christian doesn’t mean you’re a secret Muslim.
    Whatever those 2 labels might mean to you.

  • Anonymous

    When Christ fed the 4 or 5,000 it was an allegory. He was telling the people that (a) man does not live on bread alone and (b) the people were meant to either share with others what they had or to forego eating in favor of the person next to him eating, which is practically the same as (a). How else do you think when they collected the remains, there was more than they started with…..Oh, you believe in the supernatural Christ of Paul? Well, then we can’t really discuss something if you insist that he magically made bread and fishes appear out of the sky.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been saying for a while that according to repubs. the only right Americans have is the right to be born. After that, all bets are off.

  • Anonymous

    I’m fascinated when people trash Islam because while I’ve never been able to get through the Koran–I’m still working on the Old and New testaments–I am aware that Islam for one reason or another is very popular, especially with converting people to Islam. I’d agree that in America a lot of the bad parts of Islam are heavily promoted (like, the supposed practice of condemning to death converts for one is not one of my favorites). Nevertheless, there are a lot of awful things in the Old Testament and I believe in all my heart that the New Testament, while fascinating and often appealing, is a mishmash and contrived mess and I’m not even including Revelation, which I’ve never even felt the need to read.

  • Anonymous

    That’s sort of tragically funny that someone self-described as ProgressiveinNewYork presents an image of the infamous Indian killer Andrew Jackson.

  • Anonymous

    With all due respect Jaimie11, while I voted for Obama and am thoroughly disgusted with him, the only ones claiming Obama could walk on water or was the Messiah was the corporate media and faux noise.

  • Anonymous

    It’s obvious to me that Bill Maher’s point was quite simply that Obama is another phony Christian aka a republican.

  • Anonymous

    I think that every person around the world who bought into the war on terra’ as having even an ounce of credibility has been duped and part of the duping is that Israel is a bulwark against a phantom. I have to admit that I am Jewish, I believe in Israel’s right to exist; however, for about 7 or 8 years (I think around the same time that the phoniness of the war on terra’ became apparent to me and that the war on Iraq was not about freedom or democracy) I ceased being able to support any Israeli government that does not immediately and unequivocally cease its militarism and implement a just peace. Call me crazy, but I believe the majorities of the people in the Middle East and around the world also want a just peace for all.

  • Anonymous

    Manny, my thoughts exactly. I was about to say the identical thing: I don’t think Bill Maher often goes far enough (see my above comment that Bill Maher bought into the phony war on terra’ and has espoused fear of the Muslim) but I agree that Bill Maher is very intelligent. As far as if he’s on the take, I actually think he’s more independent than Jon Stewart. In fact, I know that he is because he’s been fired twice (it was twice, right?) for things that he’s said on air, and while I think Stephen Colbert is so much smarter than everyone that he literally pools the wool over everyone’s eyes, especially his guests, I also know that I’m past the point of laughing at the situation and I don’t think it’s okay to simply make fun anymore of the intolerable and atrocious conditions we are in. Moreover, if anyone takes a step back and realizes that the only arena where Americans get a semblance of truth is from comedians, they should be as frightened as I am or they should laugh in the next person’s face who proclaims that Americans are free. Yes, I get it that I said you should laugh.

  • Jaimie11

    That is not true at all. I live in town that is left wing – the vast majority believed all his promises and spouted the MSM anytime there was a single bit of criticism or suggestion he could not fill those empty words with substance. Grown so-called adults fell for the scam. The entire world believed in his hope and change rhetoric – and the left prostrated themselves before him, tears rolling down their cheeks, like true believers at the second coming.

  • Anonymous

    Umm, okay, jaimie11, I still think there is a world of difference between believing all his promises and proclaiming him the Messiah. Now, as to the former, I happen to believe that Obama should be either impeached or prosecuted for lying to the nation and that it is not the same thing by a long shot to think that only the Messiah will keep his promises. In fact, I think it’s human law that a promise for consideration is a contract, which Obama has broken. Now, where’s my damages or recompense?

  • Anonymous

    I think that the real issue is that any and all religions will be problematic if followed to the letter of their philosophies. There are tenets in the OT that require people to be killed for all sorts of behaviors, including wearing garments made from more than one cloth. Figure that one out. And the stoning of your disobedient children would be the death of many Jews if they followed that one to the letter. There are all sorts of things in Revelations, for instance, that doom the whole planet, regardless of one’s actual piousness or lack thereof. The Koran has the first 5 books (I think it’s 5, it’s been a while since I studied this at all) in common with the OT, so lots of the same idiocy exists in that religion as well.

    Religions have and will be used for the advancement of the few over the many, and it’s not the honest who will be in that few category. The whole “you can’t eat meat on Friday” thinking the Catholics have had for hundreds of years, for instance, came about because the Pope at one time had a brother in law who was a fisherman, and wanted to sell more fish. Voila, a religious doctrine, and instant profits. In our own society, we have the evangelists who preach the gospel of “God WANTS you to be rich, and if you’re not, it’s your own fault” when that is 100% AGAINST the very teachings of he who they claim to follow. And people buy that crap like it’s mannah from heaven, don’t they? Meanwhile, the ONLY ones who are getting that rich are those who are stealing from those they preach this perverted gospel to.

    If you read the NT, there is lots of good thought in there, and a fair amount of crap, too. If you read the OT, there is lots of history there, but lots of crap. I haven’t read the majority of the Koran, but I am sure there are good ideas and crap in there, too. You can pick a religion, and it’s most likely got it’s good points, and it’s crap. Scientology, however, is not a religion, it’s just a scam, it was from the beginning, and it’s all based on a science fiction book that is a piece of crap in it’s own right. So I don’t consider that legitimate, and believe me, having gone to college in Boston, I’ve dealt with those folks A LOT. You can’t get away from them.

    It’s not the religion, it’s not the ideas, it’s the ORGANIZATION that fucks faith up beyond recognition. Faith is SUPPOSED to be about your relationship[ to the creator, whoever that might be, not about how much you give to an organization. It’s about how you LIVE your life, not about that hour you spent on sunday morning figiting in your seat, waiting to get home to watch the big game. It’s about how you treat others, how you act as a human being, and not about which sect you happen to belong to.

    Well, that’s my novel for today…

  • Jaimie11

    Come on, don’t revise recent history. Almost everybody on the left believed his rhetoric. They were fooled.
    Don’t compound the mistake you all made by pretending it didn’t happen.

    Just call him on his perfidy. If you don’t he will be re-elected despite what the polls today say. You all are being geared up for some big reversal that will make him look really good again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Don’t let it happen again by denying how it happened last time.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, and I doubt that the Prince of Peace would have thrown the righteous Reverend Wright under the bus. O’Bomber is just another malleable tool in the hands of big money. Fuck the U$!

  • Anonymous

    You’re being facetious, right?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    So you regard yourself as one of the “hairy little monkeys”? Well then, by your own words you have proven yourself a fool. If, as your silly Bible says, you were created in God’s image…then by your own definition God a monkey! More nonsense from the simple minded religious community. Please pass the bananas.

  • jimbo92107

    Obama’s policies are far more important than his private metaphysics.

  • Anonymous

    This whole thing is a game of Charade………………..You can be anything you want at…………………………

  • Anonymous

    Ask Galileo about that……………

  • Anonymous

    “Science and faith whatever that faith is, are not exclusive.”

    Science and faith are 100% opposite. Science deals in facts and empirical evidence and reproducible data gathering, faith is the acceptance of something despite not having any evidence to support it. You take it “on faith” as opposed to “documented evidence”.

    And pretending that “scientists of 500 years ago” had the same kind of belief in god that “religious people” do is to ignore the _fact_ that if you even _hinted_ that you thought there might not be a god, you were executed. Faith by fear of death is no faith at all.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BATQTRSD53GBBRKC2ZELNTTE5I Hardy

    I believe Dr. West on this one!

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry but I guess you don’t understand English. You’re the one who said those on the left called him a Messiah or could walk on water. I explained how that was untrue, and then you backtracked. I called you on that, and now you say I’m revising history. Good grief. I don’t know why I bother. Oh, and by the way, if you knew me at all or read my comments ever, you would know that I abandoned Obama within 24 hours of his election when I read that Obummer was keeping Gates, Petraeus and Mullen. Moreover, there is nothing he can do that will get me to vote for him again. I’m not one of those wishy-washy people we hear about all the time in the poll swings. Finally, I’m not one of those people who believes any of us is indispensable. If I had to name someone to emulate, I’d probably tell you that they are all dead.

  • Jaimie11

    I am talking about the majority of Dems who voted for him, not about you specifically. But most definitely mass opinion was manipulated to hold him up as some sort of savior. I remember not liking him way back during the Dem Convention in which he was introduced to us. A big fuss was made of him. My impression of him was that he was a facile liar.

    I sensed he was going to be president back then, and knew for sure in 2006. I warned my Dem friends about him, but they were swept up into the Messiah dream he offered.

    Granted there was no choice but to vote for him if you are still on the left/right divide. But plenty of highly principled people did not vote for him or McCain, and criticism of him was put down immediately by calling it racist.

    Anyway this conversation started when Devil said “he is everything you want him to be”. And I still agree. Just two days ago NPR was lauding him for being on the side of the Egyptian people since Tuesday or Wednesday. He’s still being pushed as our best alternative to the tyranny of the GOP – and I would not at all be surprised if he was resurrected in time to become our hero again and win a second term. What if the GOP ran Mitt Romney and say Michelle Bachman? All the oligarchs have to do is give the Dems someone to vote against and Obama could easily win again. I hope he won’t but do you honestly think someone like Kucinich or McKinney could win? And if they pulled some good looking safe Dem out of the pile, would you vote for him or her?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HF6V37D6JRZC7LATOJY2EL2IZU Manny

    What an individual believes is not a problem. What a large group of people believe can however, be quite problematic.

    Christianity is the dominant religion in this country and like the Borg in Star Trek will not be satisfied until they have assimilated everyone. Your eradication as a free thinker is on their agenda I’m afraid. In case you need some reminders as to what they are really like, I offer the following:

    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/1/28/133111/141 B2 Pilot
    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488 Jesus killed
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html bibles
    http://www.c-span.org/Events/National-Prayer-Breakfast/10737419386/ National prayer
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm abortion clinics
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm doctor murder
    http://racerelations.about.com/b/2010/09/13/religious-intolerance-is-making-american-muslims-live-in-fear.htm Muslim attacks
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_H.W._Bush_and_the_Atheists H.W. Bush
    http://www.covenantnews.com/judgeroy.htm Judge Moore
    http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/hatred.htm Terry Randall

    I don’t care about theology, eschatology or theodacy and discussions about these with believers are not worth my time and effort as circular arguments based on absolutely no facts are boring and headache producing for me. So yes, I enjoy proving just how much smarter than theists I am.

  • Taleisin

    I think an atheist liberal host of a popular cable television talk show is exactly the sort of person
    to have spiritual insight into the deepest secrets so someone he has probably never met. ;)

  • Joyce Richey

    The problem I see, is if you are NOT a christian, you will not get elected period! Seems that the people expect their elected to be religious. Could you imagine if Obama, or anyone running, had said, I have no religious affiliation! He had to show that he went to church, and then had to prove it was christian too boot!!
    There is no separation of church and state, although, it is supposed to be separate.
    I would prefer we had candidates who were non-religious, as there is no proof that any of the religious theories are fact….you do not need a god or religion to run a country. Common sense goes a long way!

  • Anonymous

    Being against gay marriage is not a christian position. It is a right wing extremist position.
    Maying war is not a christian position.
    Peace is christian. Medical care for all is christian.
    Thou Shalt not kill.

  • Anonymous

    Man created god in his own image. There is no god that looks like any man or monkey. However if there were a monkey as god, would you disdain him? What is racism when applied to species? Should we hate monkeys as second class citizens?

  • Anonymous

    It is a faith based thing, just like the voting machine. People believe it, and that makes it exist for them.

  • Anonymous

    We know he was no christian in any way. Christians do not steal from their people. Christians do not kill. Christians are honest and kind, and are appalled at the very idea that anyone would torture people in their name. There are few who are truly followers of the teachings of the Palestinian Carpenter known as Jesus.

  • http://laughingmuslim.blogspot.com/ Edward

    So now president Obama is a secret athiest?

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone even remember when Bill Maher was funny?

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    This is Arianna’s boy. The shark is in the water, Billy’s got on his tight little Speedos and water skis, but nobody really gives a shit.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    He’s always got that sour look on his face like he’s trapped in an elevator with a bunch of fat bankers after a beanfest.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    That’s not what he’s saying but I think he’s an asshole anyway.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    And Bill Maher has about as much spiritual insight as a tapeworm on mescal.

  • Taleisin

    If everyone was Xian, then the Xians you meet, would have no one to hate.
    Knowing they are better than you is more important than following the teachings of Jesus.

  • http://wildemoonchild.tumblr.com/ MoonChild ~ Wilde

    I like Bill Maher and I admire how he rubs some people the wrong way (not the way Palin does) but I have to disagree with him. I don’t know if President Obama is a Christian and I don’t much care if he’s not. But.. why does Maher care? He’s an atheist. God & Jesus are as imaginary to him as Santa. I’d think as an Atheist he’d understand that questioning the presidents religions openly like that is nonsensical. Especially with the fanatics and uninformed people we have in this country. I’d think as an atheist who’s ridiculed for his lack of faith in the ‘lord and savior’ would know better…

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/D27G6PHI3BTM2TEIXWTQDS6T5U Richard

    I think Barak Obama and Bill Maher share the same religion. They both enjoy dropping bombs on civilians. They both pretend to care about humanity.

  • Jaimie11

    Fits him to a T. Thanks for that.

  • http://random-gary.blogspot.com/ Gary

    True, but tell that to anyone that wants to run for President today and they’ll tell you the truth. The chances of being elected President in this country for an admitted atheist are much greater than the odds of winning the lottery.

  • Anonymous

    It’s ridiculous to equate Obama, Clinton or Bush to Pol Pot. People often say the same kinds of things about Tony Blair in the UK. If you start saying that any political leader who ever had to order an activity that will probably result in someone being killed is indistinguishable from the very worst psychotic tyrants who ever lived you end up with no way of telling people apart.

    I’m no great admirer of politicians but I don’t believe that every single one of them is a murdurous psychopath whose only motivations are personal power and the desire to kill.

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