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Ron Paul wins CPAC presidential straw poll

By Agence France-Presse
Saturday, February 12, 2011 21:13 EDT
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Speaking to conservatives, Paul warns US government ‘in the process of failing’

For the second year running, Texas congressman Ron Paul came out on top among conservative Republicans in a “straw poll” contest to gauge popularity ahead of the 2012 presidential race.

Paul, who calls himself a libertarian, is not really the party’s typical standard bearer, by any measure. But he earned the most votes in the contest held by the Conservative Political Action Conference in which about 4,000 people cast ballots.

“There is truly a revolution going on in this country,” Paul said in a speech. “We live at a time where we do need a change in attitude, a change in ideas. We don’t need to just change the political parties; we need to change our philosophy about what this country is all about.”

“Our country stands at a precipice,” Paul warned. “America’s greatness and exceptionalism are because we chose economic and political freedom.

We are not inherently exceptional. We are exceptional because we chose freedom and we chose to protect that freedom from tyranny with the Constitution.”

He has been a candidate seeking the presidential nod twice in the past: in 1988 and 2008.

The straw poll comes as US conservatives clamor for a clear leader with a lot of voices seeking to be heard, and face the challenge of battling incumbent Democrat President Barack Obama.

Paul took 30 percent of the vote, followed by another 2008 presidential hopeful, Massachusetts ex-governor Mitt Romney, with 23 percent.

While the party may have been jolted internally by the very conservative “Tea Party” activists, who made gains in midterm elections last year, their candidate Michele Bachmann only earned four percent.

This video is from the Associated Press, published Saturday, Feb. 12, 2011.

Image credit: R. DeYoung, Wikimedia Commons

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  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Ron Paul, an honest man in a city of thieves.

  • SocialistCafe

    Nope. Another thief in a city of thieves.

  • http://tholosofathena.blogspot.com/ copeland_morris

    Dream merchant Obama wants to cut off the heat for poor people, and there will probably be some kind of damned bipartisanship to get the job done. Ron Paul is not going to be elected president; but it’s obvious there is some good he can do, by building bridges between libertarians and progressives, so that this country doesn’t turn into a complete totalitarian hell. Where among visible politicians, in the media, are people talking about the sins of our empire and all the corporate whoring and fascism. After a brilliant and inspiring revolution for liberation and human rights in Egypt, the president, our sorry president, has sent an admiral to hold the hands of the Israelis and the Jordanian King. You can see the value Obama places on democracy. His administration was praising Mubarak right up to the last moment, when sheer embarrassment and the force of history forced the White House and State Department to change their tune.

    There are only a few moments, such as in the speech Rep. Paul has given, in our public sphere, where anything but the repeated tedious lies and delusions that justify America’s crimes across the world can ever be heard.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    I’d take him over Obama in a second.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul has a lot of ideas that would take America back — into the 19th century.

  • Anonymous

    I sure am glad to see Bachmann got 4% percent.

    Even that’s 5% too much.

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Goofy bastard. Pat “Paul”son could beat him.

  • Anonymous

    That and $5 might get him a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    socialist…yeeeeeah. The thought of taking responsibility for yourself and no more big momma government to rock you to sleep at night must horrify you.

  • Guest

    If Ron Paul were a left-libertarian he would be fine. But he holds on to the delusion that it is possible to have a civil society without a government. This has never been the case. I certainly respect his opposition to our wars of empire and prohibition of drugs, but that’s pretty much it. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha. He only carries gold coins. Why would anyone that hates the government, run for a government job? And, the big question, why would anyone vote for such an idiot. Colonel Sanders running a hen house. Or Boner, running a whore house:

    Sex Scandal Might Bring Down John Boehner

    http://my.firedoglake.com/rogershuler/2011/02/08/sex-scandal-might-bring-down-john-boehner/

  • Anonymous

    He’s from texas……….enough said.

  • http://tholosofathena.blogspot.com/ copeland_morris

    At least Ron Paul is willing to criticize the exporting of violence, the culture of violence, as the American Empire’s answer to its many difficulties in foreign policy. And he’s addressing a conservative audience.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    The only one I actually feel good voting for.

  • SocialistCafe

    Not nearly as much as how the thought of rebelling against corporate brainwashing horrifies you.

    Oh, and Ron Paul is a racist too.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • Spire

    On this day, as Ron Paul rises to the top of CPAC — I think I can say with full confidence that today everyone at RawStory can feel proud to be a Republican. I can say this with full confidence because — hey, stop that, hey, I mean it,… what are you doing with that knife, hey, aarrrgghhhhhh ….

  • Anonymous

    I look forward to voting for Paul in 2012. He’ll be the most liberal candidate on the ballot, no doubt about it.

  • Anonymous

    Big whoop – 30% of the vote.

    But it’s a lot more than he’d win in a general election as a presidential candidate.

  • Anonymous

    Won’t that be interesting to watch? I’m sure the tears will be flowing when the truth comes out! That’s one press conference I won’t miss! When are they going to expose a sex scandal with McConnell?………….maybe in a mens room?

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    mindboggeling ignorance.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    I’m all for rebelling against “corporate brainwashing”. And that racist card you’re playing is nothing but old dried out bullshit.

  • Taleisin

    An honest Republican? Of course. A change we can believe in.
    A harmless, wise, old man you could trust to sell you a used car!
    HA! HAHAHA! Ha,ha,ha ha ,heh, heh, heh, lol, lol, lol, AHHH!……. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!
    I think I wet myself a little. Just 2 drops. he he he.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t realize Ron Paul believes in NO GOVERNMENT. You are the one that is delusional if that is what you think Ron Paul believes.

    If people actually looked at what Ron Paul says, instead of having the MSM think for them, they may find some truth. But, you probably won’t.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Yeah, as if where we’re being taken now is the cats ass.

  • Anonymous

    Thoughts of rebelling against corporate brainwashing, make me giddy…I don’t know about you?

    Only a coward lives in fear….

    And only idiots call Ron Paul a racist…

  • Anonymous

    Whatever one may take of the results of this straw poll, Ron Paul won last time, 2010, and prior in the 2008 elections actual votes resulted in his garnering of a mere 1.6% of the Republican delegates for the nomination for president. The machine is huge and has its agenda unaltered as policy.

  • Guest

    Yes, progressive and libertarians must unite under their common ground and stop focusing on their differences. Because what we agree on is TOO DAMNED IMPORTANT!

  • Guest

    Dude, you are a broken record and one trick pony. Your last 10 posts related to Ron Paul have the word “goofy” in them. We get it already.

  • Guest

    Please tell us who dennycrane likes! I, for one, an dying to know who this eternal critic has the balls to publicly support. Step up to the plate denny.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EZ4W5CDCIVXKIIKESYBN2EP6VE brian

    Ron Paul IS NOT AN ANARCHOCAPITALIST despite what scare mongers like you think. He believes in a very limited Federal Government. State Government is fair game for progressive ideas, just as our founders intended, rightfully so.

  • Anonymous

    It could be that what you see as ‘babysitting’, others see as people doing right by each other by working together and caring for each other. I think most will see democratic-socialism that way, if explained a good amount.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EZ4W5CDCIVXKIIKESYBN2EP6VE brian

    The troll speaks again. Who cares who could beat him.. Bush won two terms and Obama won his first. So yes, you are right, any other establishment neocon fascist could beat him. I would take that as a huge compliment. Get some new material troll.

  • Anonymous

    Eventual best bet for Paul: endorse another more electable 3rd candidate even if progressive.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EZ4W5CDCIVXKIIKESYBN2EP6VE brian

    I know right? I thought progressives generally believe in the fact of Evolution. Apparently they fell asleep during science class discussions on natural selection and survival of the fittest.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    That’s just it. They tear him up in superficial ways, use outright old lies, call him names etc. ect. But they never offer up who it is they want to see as president. maybe they can’t take what it is they have been dishing out.

  • Anonymous

    Run him. Step up and live by what you believe and run him. Do it. If libertarianism is so awesome, run him.

  • SocialistCafe

    Only fools don’t accept facts.

    Ron Paul’s racism is documented fact.

    Libertarians are corporate stooges, lap dog on their knees for the lazy rich.

  • Guest

    Exactly. Once they give a name, that’s it, game over. It then becomes a comparison between Paul and their guy.

  • Anonymous

    George Bush the Third and Corporate America are already doing that.

  • Anonymous

    Pat Paulson is hardly a neocon fascist!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N5RO5QARRNILQON5D5YTSXJKCM Drew Walker

    Don’t bother with brian. He calls rational people names because it makes him feel better. Frothing at the mouth isn’t debate, brian. You need to calm down and behave yourself.

    Since we don’t like Ron Paul or simply wouldn’t choose him to lead the country we’re neo-con fascists apparently. That’s what I can’t stand about Ron Paul supporters…people like brian give Mr. Paul a bad name. They’re like zombies. Attack attack attack. I wan’t someone like Reagan. So far I’m interested in what Trump has to say and I’d like Sarah Palin back in the limelight. That’s just me.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Boy, ain’t that all warm and fuzzy. Government can not be classified as “people”. IT could give a rats ass about real “people”. Government is a business. A cold hearted corporation in bed with wallstreet that can take away everything it promised you without warning. democratic-socialist want a faceless machine to take care of them. People must first “learn” how to take care of each other all over again in this country before anything good is going to happen.

  • Anonymous

    Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

    Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    It’s noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe is home from work.

    He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

    He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

    Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

  • Anonymous

    Bach man is an establishment whore who is trying to co opt the tea party

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • Denis Robert

    Just goes to show that CPAC attendees have no brain cells left. Ron Paul is a blabbering idiot. Gold Gold Gold!!! Get those N***ers off my lawn!!!! GOLD!

  • Denis Robert

    An honest loon… I’ll give you honest, but a man, not really.

  • Anonymous

    Back up your bull with some links? Doubt it. Go look up his voting record

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6VIII2XPU4HUPLANTLEJGSYN7A jARED

    He is good at stringing together a list of words that resonate with the CPAC crowd. If you actually take those as sentences and expose them to any light beyond the ultrapatriot dogma he is espousing, they say nothing. Empty calories coated in sugar. It’s like an architectural mock-up that doesn’t have to conform to anything approaching the reality of physics and environment. But oh those noble words!

  • Sarcasmo

    People who don’t see the value in Paul, don’t want to and never will. They’ll continue shutting their eyes, closing their ears, and repeating over and over…”he’s just a racist…he’s just a racist, I love my nanny state, I love my bank lords, I love paying taxes that pay for innocent people to be tortured and killed, I wan’t to be arrested and jailed for possessing a plant, I’m a good little citizen, I don’t question tyranny, I just swallow it and smile”

  • Denis Robert

    Every single rich man owes the major part of his wealth to society. No rich man ever does it alone. The vast majority of large corporations in the US owe their survival to Government contracts; certainly that is true of every single military supplier and of all the largest IT/Tech companies.

    So your little delusion about “taking responsibility” is laughable. Only the little people ever take responsibility for their own lives. The corporate masters dump all theirs onto your shoulders, and laugh all the way to their villas in Sint Maarten.

  • Denis Robert

    It’s actually all too real. Paul has a long history of racism. The fact that it doesn’t fit your image of the man doesn’t make it any less true. He published, under his own name, with his explicit approval, racist diatribes which would make the KKK blush.

    Sorry, doesn’t cut it in the reality-based community.

    (Note: edited for typos)

  • Guest

    when Ron Paul is right, he is very, very, right, but the problem is the when Ron Paul is wrong, he is very, very, very, wrong.

  • Jaimie11

    If you care about people, go and show it to them. Start an organization that cares for people, like Habitat for Humanity. Do it yourself. Don’t force me to contribute to the big government management and abuse system called welfare and medicaid.

    I’d rather give my money to Habitat or the Food Bank, or a medical charity.

  • Denis Robert

    If by idiot you mean someone who actually bases their views on facts, as opposed to people who accept whatever the ultra-Right feeds to them, then you’re correct, only idiots call Paul a racist. The man published racist tracts for a large part of his career; the fact that he is now backtracking, since it’s no longer politically advantageous for him to be seem as “one of the good ole southern boys”, is immaterial.

    Let’s not forget that racism was the norm in the South when Paul was growing up. In order to NOT be a racist in the South in the 60s, you had to be a left-wing radical. No right-winger in the 60s was anti-racist. It simply did not exist. So Paul WAS a racist. It’s only very recently that he recanted on his racist past. And I for one don’t buy it. It’s just too little, too late.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    “His medications are safe to take…..” BWAAHAAA HAAAA HAAA! Yes…we can all trust BIG PHARMA now can’t we. How about that FDA…just because big pharma is blowing them doesn’t mean anything “funny” is going on. Right??

  • Jaimie11

    brian, you mean social darwinism? How about empathy and compassion? That is if you want to be part of the human race, and not just one of the top dogs.

  • Denis Robert

    Nor can corporations can be considered “people”. But you’d be hard-pressed to find a right-winger willing to abrogate legal “personhood” for corporations, because that would make corporate officers liable for their company’s actions. You really have not the faintest idea what you’re talking about. You really don’t understand how ANY society works, let alone a modern democratic society. The “libertarian” ideal can only be realized in an anarchistic society such as that which exists in failed states such as Somalia and the Sudan.

    An no institution, no matter how small, ever “cares” about people; that’s why they must be designed so that they serve the people’s interests, not other institutions’. But the Right want Government to be big enough to serve the Corporations’ interests, but not so big that it must then serve the People’s.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    The fascists are already their field day now!

  • Denis Robert

    Wow, what a load of bullcrap. Evolution is not about the “survival of the fittest”, but about the “survival of the fittest until the time at which they issue offspring”, and NOTHING ELSE. It says nothing about quality of life or about the fitness of the population as a whole to its environment. If you care one iota about whether people live or die, you cannot invoke Evolution as an argument, because once you’ve had kids, Evolution cares NOTHING if you live or die. It’s simply not about being “better”.

    So I think YOU were asleep in science class; but then again, I truly doubt you ever had a science class which explained Evolution to you. It’s simply not taught in American schools anymore, as a result of a campaign of obscurantism conducted by the American Right.

  • Denis Robert

    I’m sorry, but Texas is the most corrupt State in the nation. Its education system is the joke of the world, with outcomes worse than some of the poorest nations on Earth. Texas is a cesspool of ignorance and obscurantism, which is also desperate to export its particular brand of evil to the rest of the world. If it wasn’t for oil, Texas would be Mississipi or Missouri.

  • Denis Robert

    Libertarians said nothing while the Bush administration set about to destroy the constitution, up to and including destroying the very foundation of Western Law, the Great Writ of Habeus Corpus, without which no law can be considered to have any value.

    So STFU.

  • Denis Robert

    Then welcome to the Great Libertarian Paradise, the Jumhūriyyat as-Sūmāl‎ (Somalia).

  • Denis Robert

    And Ron Paul wants nothing more than a continuation of Bush’s policies on everything but foreign affairs.

  • Anonymous

    Hit it!

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    “The “libertarian” ideal can only be realized in an anarchistic society…..” That’s a load of crap. The Libertarian Ideal can only be realized in a society with small,non intrusive, non interventionist government. “Somalia”…..absurd.

  • Denis Robert

    Ron Paul actually wants America to go back to prior to the Civil War. He wants the kind of America which not only tolerated slavery, but ensured its survival until the 1860s. That is the reality of “States’ Rights”: the only right the States want more than any other is the right to discriminate against those it considers as “outsiders”.

    And Paul is their greatest cheerleader.

  • Jaimie11

    Why not find out what Ron Paul really talks about and does? He’s one of a very small group of American politicians who actually have integrity. Most of the critics on this blog know nothing about him except for the MSM propaganda on the left and right meant to discredit him. Why bother to discredit a person who presents no threat to the status quo?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

    http://paul.house.gov/

  • Anonymous

    Wow you guys are fucking on FIRE. Keep it up, I’m taking the night off.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PS3ZJ2DB5BBCUXTGVCIECDZT64 One Species

    Guessing that there won’t be a 22nd, I’ll take anything between the last dark age, and well. . . well, it can’t be long now.

  • Anonymous

    Darwin never used nor liked ‘survival of the fittest’ that was Herbert Spencer’s take and saying. Spencer was like an 19th century ‘Secret’ dude giving salutory relief to idle rich who lived off the backs off the working poor.
    If you actaully study Darwin’s theory it is more about niches. No one would call say, the sloth, some angry preditor but it has survived quite nicely, well I suppose until it recently, when it had to clash with the furies of private interest.

  • Jaimie11

    The water is polluted almost everywhere. Pharma drugs cause more injuries and death per year than auto accidents and gun violence combined. Joe’s $10 copay is out of his pocket, but his employer pays for the balance of the drug cost. When I buy his employer’s widget, I pay extra because the cost of those dangerous Pharma drugs is included in the price of the widget.

    Now you may believe all is fine and dandy due to commies and socialist do-gooders otherwise known as lefties, but the truth is it’s all a mirage, and the price of that mirage is our slavery to China.

  • Anonymous

    Hell yeah, tell it like it is preacher man!!

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    You know nothing about what Ron Paul wants.

  • Taleisin

    He is probably the best the Republicans can put forward. That doesn’t mean I want him, ‘Leader of the Free World’.
    We had a respected politician called ‘Honest John Howard.’ He became the most devious little George II bum-polisher.
    None of the buggers are worth trusting.

  • Anonymous

    Alot like JFK right?

    How about you offer some substance to yOur claims

  • Anonymous

    When Joe looks up in the sky he realizes the sky isn’t blue in his world. Nor is he living on the planet earth. He is dreaming. He wakes up. The water is poisoned. The pills he took made him sterile. The air he breaths is laced with cadmium from the chemtrails over head.

    Wake up fool

  • Anonymous

    I too would take Paul over Obama. On the drug war, on the patriot act, on foreign policy, Paul is light years ahead of most republicans and democrats. And that’s enough. I prefer a half a glass of water over no water at all. We’re dealing with an impending WWIII situation here, and we don’t have the luxury of voting for ANY pro-war candidate. Glen ford from black agenda report has called Obama “the biggest pro-war president in generations”, and based on military spending he is right.

    The problem with Paul derives from his worship of money and corporations. Marxists recognize the coercive power of the market; libertarians recognize the coercive power of the state. Both have keen insight in one eye but are blind in the other.

    Google the article “Ayn Rand in Uganda” to discover the extreme problems with right wing libertarianism — not the least of which is that it fails to explore how real individualism is achieved — by cooperation, community and equality rather than competition, markets and hierarchy. Alfie Kohn’s work proves this beyond reasonable doubt, as do all modern anthropological studies. Indeed, hierarchy/markets/competition inexorably lead to centralized state power, the great bane of libertarianism. As wealth accrues, it demands coercive power to protect inequality. How’s that for irony?

    The worry I have over a Paul presidency is that his positive proposals relating to to war, civil liberties etc. would be stymied by the other branches of government, while his backward proposals relating to markets and the supposed “freedom” they entail (“the freedom to starve”, as one anarchist put it) would be embraced. Indeed this is the reason why Paul is taken seriously and given media exposure, as opposed to libertarian socialists like Cynthia McKinney — right wing libertarian philosophy is useful to the ruling class because it demands deregulation of corporate power and is contemptuous of democracy. Few powerful figures are actually naive enough to believe in a “free market” which has never existed, but they don’t mind borrowing from the Austrian school to discipline labor.

    Paul is a lesser evil, no doubt. But to really solve our problems we’ll have take on both state and capitalist power. The two are not antithetical to one another, as many (bizarrely) presume, but are like a two-headed snake. Indeed Lenin described Bolshevism as “state capitalism”.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    Proof?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    We,re still waiting for those links. If you’re referring to the newsletter that was named after RP but was owned by some other jerk to smear him, that was covered many many times.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    Amen to that! Charitable works done at government level will always funnel the money to the bureaucracy of it. The money NEVER reaches the intended recipient. Small private charities have always been more effective.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    hogwash, libertarians were the only ones protesting, much louder than progressives actually. RP was one of the few that voted against the patriot act, and war against Iraq, so you STFU

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXXLSPJ2L5AVFEMKSZODNOMTHU Next

    these fear mongers must have arrived here from huffpost…that cess pool has backed up again, and the spill over flows here unfortunately.

  • Anonymous

    LOL racist, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • Anonymous

    You morons screaming “racist” are getting old. Serious FAIL. This is so completely the opposite of reality. People are seriously sick of this ridiculous one-liner trying to discredit Ron Paul. The thought of the establishment losing it’s grip on the American mind scares the living piss out of you! Ha!

  • Anonymous

    SocialistCafeDOTcom = broken record. Just because you keep repeating the same BS does make it true. You’re socialist utopia will never work. Look around man. Accept it and stop trying to cover for your pathetic failings by screaming and crying lies about a great man like Ron Paul.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul should be the teabagger’s cup of tea. Hell, he’s the only one that walks the talk of liberty. Even though I dissagree with him on a few subjects I’d give him a good look it he ran with Gary Johnson. Start pushing Bachmann on the ticket though and that would end any ideas of voting for a Repubes.

  • Anonymous

    Congrats to Congressman Ron Paul. Its refreshing and overdue to hear a political individual’s concerns are primarely and principally the health and welfare of the citizens and taxpayers of the USA.

    A cursory review of statements made by prncipally Republican politicians such Gingrich, Cantor, Bachmann, King as well as the 20 or more trips to Israel by Mike Huckabee reflect their special bias.

    Thank you Mr. Paul and best wishes for the future.

  • Jaimie11

    Your John Howard was/is a professional politician as distinct from a person who decides to go into politics in order to remedy error. Politicians are not known for their honesty and integrity, as you well know I’m sure.
    As for Paul’s running for president – my sense is he won’t. And besides, if he did he won’t win. And his position now on two financial services subcommittees, domestic and foreign, holds great potential he can expose the Federal Reserve for what it is – the US branch of the global private bank that runs criminal financial operations throughout the world – not a federal agency owned by the people for their benefit as far too many US citizens believe.

    Here is an excerpt from a Wikipedia entry to give you an idea of how much the GOP disikes Ron Paul – he is a worse threat to their ideology than any Democrat could ever be.

    “In December 2010, Bloomberg Businessweek reported that incoming Speaker of the United States House of Representatives John Boehner was considering ways to prevent Ron Paul, who has long been a critic of Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve System, from becoming chair of the subcommittee or restrict his authority.[2][3] Paul has stated that he will use the position to draw attention to the Fed’s policies and what he perceives to be its negative consequences.[3]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Financial_Services_Subcommittee_on_Domestic_Monetary_Policy_and_Technology

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, and when charities’ objective is to free people from poverty, such as Habitat does, the end result is a stronger society. Of course there will always be people who are disabled in some way and cannot take care of themselves. We are a generous people and will meet the needs of those who cannot do for themselves, and will do it better than gov’t bureaucracy does, with next to no waste and with more direct personalized assistance.

    One of the huge insults inherent in big gov’t run welfare is the one-size-fits-all solutions that demean individuals and destroy self esteem. We, as caring empathetic individuals, can do much better.

  • Anonymous

    Raw Story! Making the move to capture HuffPo refugees… the website looks great!

  • Anonymous

    So the little whining voice midget asks our youth to opt out of America and not ask the government for anything.

    Strange, I didn’t see him declare to this body of youths that he’ll refused to accept his Congressional Pension, his current Congressional salary, the medical care provided by his government, or any other fringe benefits we don’t know about.

    How giving us that declaration Mr. Paul? Hmmm. How about it? We’re waiting.

  • parrots_abound

    That’s odd because most Libertarians I know are ware of Corporate Power and it’s merging with Government to create Fascism. In fact, most PEOPLE I know are aware of it nowadays.

    Yet….you…the “Socialist” pretend Ron Paul and Libertarians are the opposite. Why?

    And you want to “Nationalize” all those things in your Avatar? Yet the Government loots us all, fails and balancing their books, wastes money on wars, can’t even maintain their own projects, can barely maintain the Post Office…yet you want them in charge of all those things?

    You’ve been all over these threads with other Socialists making sure to bash Ron Paul and also playing the “Racist” card, which is bullshit. I for one wouldn’t support him if he was and since most Ron Paul Libertarians I’ve known are anti-collectivist….your shit isn’t going to wash. You’re so scared of the growing amount of Ron Paul Libertarians that you need to resort to lying and slandering him.

    BY THE WAY…when Ron Paul took the stage at CPAC, there was a song playing by a famous BLACK WOMAN as his intro song…..her name is Aretha Franklin…maybe you’ve heard of her?

    Stop HACKING and stop LYING!

  • parrots_abound

    Bullshit, he had no knowledge of it. It was done by a volunteer, one out of thousands that wrote a newsletter for him.

    You’re so full of shit. Ron Paul actually broke ranks with his usual stance on not voting for Holidays , and voted for Martin Luther King Day to become one. He has stated many times the MLK and Ghandi are on his list of influences.

    YOU LIE…you fail.

  • Guest

    I’m just saying Ron Paul is a moonbat Libertarian neo-confederate racist whose only redeeming qualities have been his opposition to Bush’s wars and drug prohibition, but many sane people also share those two views, so why are you Paul groupies so devoted to this nut? Just sayin.

  • parrots_abound

    It’s totally absurd how YOU…the SOCIALIST (Statist-Collectivist)…falsely accuse Ron Paul of Racism (collectivism)….

    The irony is beautiful.

  • parrots_abound

    Double

  • parrots_abound

    Shhhh, they’re not supposed to know that. We must have a Nanny with a Federal Seal on her forehead.

    Stop saying all this truth, you might get called a terrorist.

  • parrots_abound

    Lemme guess, the Pentagon or the Chicago Mafia told you your job here was done?

  • parrots_abound

    Hey Socialists,

    If Ron Paul announces a run for 2012, I’m going to “share the wealth” and donate the maximum allowable to his campaign.

    Isn’t it awesome??????????

  • parrots_abound

    You’re clueless about Ron Paul, to the point where it sounds like you’re delusional.

  • parrots_abound

    Can you provide a link where Ron Paul ever said he wanted a society “without a Government”?

  • Anonymous

    Had we listened to him 30 years ago with his undying commitment to what made this country great — um, CALLED THE CONSTITUTION — we MAYBE, just MAYBE would have avoided the mess we’re in now!

  • Anonymous

    I know it’s hard SocialistCafeDOTcom but try not to be a moron

  • parrots_abound

    You think Ron Paul would have ANYTHING to do with Bachmann on a ticket? LOL

  • parrots_abound

    He doesn’t have one. He just snipes at anyone who’s not Obama or doesn’t support Obama.

    His ass is tattooed with the names of the usual Corporate Leftists (D).

  • parrots_abound

    Is Joe from some alternate reality? And, where can I purchase the shit you’re on?

  • Guest

    drobert, you sound like the typical dem or republican. Your way or STFU.

    Regardless, your point is completely false. I can provide you link after link of libertarians speaking up during the bush years, Ron Paul being foremost among them. But you don’t want the evidence, you just want anyone with information that contradicts your worldview to STFU.

    Lastly, don’t confuse tea partiers with libertarians. They are very different.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, your every point are all the thing the right wing have fought so hard to make worse. And I’m the one who needs to wake up?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • Jaimie11

    That’s why being either left or right is a fool’s game. Get off the seesaw and do your own thinking.

  • Anonymous

    Again, very funny. I love it when a right winger bitches about everything they have fought soooo hard to make worse. Where is the link to all these b.s death statistics. Oh, wait, I forgot facts don’t matter to the right. Then, you follow it up with the ultimate argument FOR single payer health care.

    We are slaves to China thanks to your team, Jaimie. 8 years of a war run off the books, funded by China. You have been bamboozled, friend.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Dr. Paul is much better than Mr. Wall Street Mitt Romney who wants war with Iran so bad he can taste it….or more of Mr. Wall Street II Obama who has so many Bush policies I cannot tell which is which.

  • Jaimie11

    Well, he has already refused his congressional pension and returns a sizable portion of his office budget every year. He has consistently, meaning ALWAYS, voted against congressional pay raises. As far as I am concerned he is one of only two or three elected congresspersons who actually earn their salaries.

    Make the same requirement of the people you vote for and see how far you get. Ron Paul is not a billionaire like Nancy Pelosi. When did you ever question her moral character?

    For a big alpha like you, calling people midgets must be a real ego boost. Such a noble act, eh? I am so impressed.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, I have a idea: Lets take all those deadly medications away from everyone with high blood pressure since its sooooooo bad for them. Just to remind you, the FDA is suppose to police big Pharma. But the right want to get rid of the FDA, like it does all regulatory bodies. Things will just fix themselves if we privatize, right? As usual the right cries like Boen…err..babies about everything they hate, but offer no solution. Just fear and anger.

  • Jaimie11

    That’s hilarious. I am not a right winger. I’m a liberal who refrains from the propping up the left/right divide. You are an unfortunate victim of propaganda, asleep, and comfortable in your ignorance. Reality not your strong suit, eh?

    By the way, you copied and pasted an entire piece you did not write, nor did you acknowledge the source. You do that routinely? Here it is – http://workers-comp-rights.com/law-ethics/do-conservatives-need-whiny-liberals-and-they-dont-know-it

    And the title of the piece could as well be “Do Liberals need complaining conservatives and they don’t know it?” You all need each other to keep that left/right divide up and running cover for the crimes of the oligarchy.

  • Anonymous

    You call people who disagree with you commies and socialists, then claim to be neither left or right. Perhaps you should try, well, just plain old “THINKING”. Also, look up the word Hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    “Now you may believe all is fine and dandy due to commies and socialist do-gooders, but the truth is it’s all a mirage, and the price of that mirage is our slavery to China.” Your words.

    Sure, your a real left winger. You call this a example of someone who “refrains from the propping up the left/right divide.” Your fooling know one except ,perhaps, yourself.

    Have fun in your imaginary world.

  • Jaimie11

    Sorry, I should have used quotes, because by the word “liberal” you actually do mean communists and socialists. You are no longer liberal though you use the term, you use it incorrectly.

    I am a classical liberal, not a brainwashed one who has been taught government solves problems without creating a whole host of other problems.

  • Jaimie11

    I take offense at your suggestion I am or should be a left winger. That is what you are. I refute the left and the right. They both require one use only a small portion of one’s brain and none of the critical thinking part.

    Incidentally, your written language skills are deplorable. Big government schooling no doubt.

  • Jaimie11

    By the way I have edited my comment to correct the error I made. I hope it is more to your liking.

  • Anonymous

    Your a real newbie, aren’t you? Your link is not the actual “source”, this is old bit that has been around in various versions for many, many years. I guess you didn’t notice the article doesn’t have a author credited. It remains valid, and always provokes a response.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    heh heh heh,,,,good one!

  • Jaimie11

    Once again your written language skills betray where and how you were brainwashed.

    Here is the attribution – a committee of individuals – By WcrAdmin, who are anonymous apparently.

    Nonetheless, it is propaganda – unrealistic and untruthful, but biased towards one position which the true facts don’t support. And no matter how long it has been around, it is still biased and untrue, just like you.

  • Anonymous

    I am still waiting to read a example of anything remotely resembling critical thinking out of you. So far, all you have done its complain, call names, and offer no new ideas. Good job.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    The constitution is overrated and out of date, not that I would suggest letting the evil nazi scum who own this country have a shot at making a new one. When it was written, the framers were dedicated to making sure that rich landowners had absolute power over the masses so they could protect their privilege in perpetuity. The Bill of Rights was the price extracted by the States for accepting the machinations of the elite in Pennsylvania and that part of the document held up pretty well until Bush the lesser demonstrated how easily it could be ignored. Paul is right about the need for fundamental change, but I cannot see how this can be accomplished. Economic and environmental collapse, perhaps, or some kind of Brave New World where sensibilities are sufficiently numbed that no one notices the tyranny. Hang on, that’s what we have now! Maybe the Egyptians can come up with something.

  • Jaimie11

    That certainly is untrue. I offer new ideas on a regular basis. You obviously are the newbie. I can tell by how many comments you’ve posted. What did Puff-Ho abandon you?

    And, speaking of new ideas, your copied and pasted novel about Joe is so old it reeks.

  • Anonymous

    Have a bit of a inferiority complex, don’t ‘ya Jaimie. I never claimed it wasn’t biased. It is. It is not, however, untruthful.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    That was great, dude. How about running yourself?

  • Anonymous

    No new ideas in this thread, friend. Just hot air from you.

  • Anonymous

    Your quite funny. You must be getting dizzy from the spinning.

  • Jaimie11

    In this thread I am dealing with hypocrites and stunted intelligence persons like yourself. You never consider anything that expands your mind, only that which you have already been brainwashed to believe without question. That, my poor under-educated friend, is deprivation at its worst.

  • Anonymous

    Ha! You retreat to personal attacks. You have offered up nothing. NOTHING. No, you resort to the tactics of the weak minded. Your only point seem to be how much smarter you think you are. Just more hot air.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    Jaimie is a “n00b” and you have a total of 12 posts?…Jaimie=1914 posts…

  • Jaimie11

    No inferiority complex here, as is evidenced by the fact that I do not rely on predigested ideas for my intellectual sustenance. I take real nutrition and thus my self esteem is intact. You should be so well-off.
    You could be but you would have to drop to your presumptions and formulaic thinking patterns to be so. As long as bias on the left/right divide is your daily fare, you are a slave of the oligarchs and a sadly deformed one at that.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. The day in the life story has been around for many years, I was kind of amazed he hadn’t bumped into it before. Many posts doesn’t = experience.

  • SocialistCafe

    Your understanding of the way the world works is lacking. That’s actually why people become libertarians.

    Socialist programs like social security and Medicare keep millions of people from starvation and homelessness. They are run smoothly, Everyone gets their checks when due and the cash is good.

    Replace that with volunteers? That means to feed people when you’re feeling guilty about being an ass. The rest of the time they can hide in a closet and eat dog food.

  • SocialistCafe

    Wow! Aside from my name you used one whole word with more than one syllable! Isn’t that against libertarian rules?

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    It’s more like ..why are “shit for brains” like you so bent on using the same old slurs, outright lies that have been proven many times over to be false and superficial, meaningless, petty attacks on his image. Fuck you and the donkey you rode in on.

  • Anonymous

    Another post about Jaimie talking about how great Jaimie is. Yawn. Again, you offer no cogent points. How can you claim to know how I think when yow haven’t engaged in anything remotely resembling a exchange of ideas. I guess its easier to just call names.

  • Jaimie11

    You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but your opinion says more about yourself that it does about the people who I see everyday doing charity for others. What are you willing to do that will eliminate the inefficiencies and cruelties of government run assistance?

    Think about it openly and freely for a week or two. You might find a better way than the status quo dictates.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    “Ron Paul actually wants America to go back to prior to the Civil War.”…….don’t forget to tell them that, in your mind, Ron Paul has a time machine that will bring America back to the pre civil war days of slavery.
    You sound like a delusional paranoid….get help.

  • SocialistCafe

    Liar. You and the rest of the radical right spoon-fed preppies continue to rewrite history. Ron Paul did not vote for that holiday. Certainly not when it mattered.

    Now you can resort to your natural tactic of calling names and otherwise crying like all libertarians do when they’re confronted with their fantasies or you can post a link.

    Child.

  • Guest

    I’m sorry, I’m pretty sure what I have stated is accurate. I find the cult of personality surrounding Ron Paul to be a bit disturbing. Usually his zealous, rabid supporters remind me of defensive cultists who bristle at the mere suggestion that there is any room for criticism of their dear leader. As for the “donkey I rode in on” …lol, I’m no supporter of the sell-out democrats who were complicit in war crimes under Bush II and continue many of his police-state supply-side domestic policies and refuse to deal decisively with such things as corporate control of our government and accelerated climate change under Obama, so try to think before you jump to conclusions about people.

  • SocialistCafe

    What is cruel about providing people with a basic, decent standard of living? I’m betting you do not rely on government assistance as millions of elderly and disabled people do. And go ahead, ask any one of them if they would give that up for some kind of volunteer effort. These people want to make their own decisions about what food to eat and where to live. They do not want ‘volunteers’ coming in, sporadically, to take care of them (while they starve the rest of the time).

    I agree there are better ways and that even these social programs are lacking. They do not provide a high enough living standard or life quality. But that would be an argument to expand them, not to get rid of them

  • Jaimie11

    I do not have a cogent person to make points with and to. Your brainwashing precludes your critical thinking capacity. I was able to determine for myself your thinking as soon as you called me a right-winger and have kept your arguments locked up in that left/right divide.

    When you have plumbed my meaning I will be happy to continue a conversation with you, but on a different level.

  • Guest

    Excellently put. Too bad so many Paul supporters gloss over the ugly implications of many of his ideas in their (understandable) frustration with the corporate two-party system that currently has us all in a stranglehold.

  • Jaimie11

    Your experience noobie, is not THE experience of everyone under the sun. And if you’ve come here from Puff-Ho you will find that we enjoy free speech, unlike Puff-Ho’s site permitted. We share a very wide variety of views here – and sometimes fisticuffs break out, but it is certainly invigorating and stimulating.

    If you want to be among your own kind only – well there are other sites you could frequent. But here you will find the opportunity to refine your arguments and possibly rethink your positions, change your mind. There is danger in free speech. I hope you don’t think the government should limit it.

  • SocialistCafe

    Ron Paul is a liar and a racist. His followers know nothing about history or economics. They make stuff up, repeat it over and over, and then call it fact.

    His economic proposals were designed to appeal to spoon-fed frat brothers. He advocates for a world run through corporate board rooms where the rich enslave a few of us and allow the rest of us to starve. He and his followers have no empathy. They care about no one end nothing but themselves. But when they need help, guess who they’ll turn to?

  • Anonymous

    This Liberal would vote for Ron Paul over Obama. My dream ticket, Paul/Kucinich

  • Anonymous

    Can you cite a credible source here? I’m thinking of backing Paul, and have heard these rumors but have never seen any proof.

  • Jaimie11

    Have you ever needed public assistance? It is demeaning from the first application process to the check ups to make sure you are still qualified. The rules and regulations do not allow for individual circumstances to be accommodated and therefor accepting public assistance can do more harm than good.

    A friend of mine was struck down by a rare disease that has rendered her completely disabled. Despite having a PhD in organic chemistry from MIT and having worked in prestigious medical research facilities at Harvard and Penn, she is treated by welfare and medicaid administrators like garbage with no human rights whatsoever. A life long left-liberal-Democrat, she had no idea how cruel the welfare system was, how it is designed to make people feel guilty and complicit in their own misfortune. She experienced a political awakening as a result.

    That is just one example. There are too many. For every story of health insurance companies behaving badly there are two or three more of public assistance having the same inconsistencies and outright cruelties built in, and also of manipulations of the poor to behave in certain ways that are destructive of self esteem.

    I have some books you might like to read, but will have to get links for them later for you.

  • SocialistCafe

    These are great points J-11. And this is really what we should be talking about in this country – but we don’t.

    I’ll make my point up front, your argument is one to EXPAND these programs, not to eliminate them. First, let’s not confuse our corporate-controlled government with honest government. This is not a democracy, we live in a country completely dominated by corporations and the rich. It is they who have put together these insulting rules.

    Now, as for your MIT friend, and setting aside the crap she had to go through, would she really have preferred to go homeless and hungry with no assistance at all? Currently, that is the choice. Be humbled by assistance or die. Ask your friend if she would have rather had volunteers take care of her. If she would have trusted volunteers to take care of her needs. And then ask yourself, how much time would you put into helping out your friend? Would it be enough? What about all the others who need help? Would you help them? If you needed help, would you want to rely on volunteers?

    And then, answer this, how much time do you volunteer right now? There are PLENTY of people who need help now. Lots of elderly and disabled. They are NOT being cared for by volunteers! Where are they all? Where are all these ‘libertarian volunteers’ helping to keep our brothers and sisters warm and happy?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Jaimie, we all know you think your a real smart guy. When challenged, you act like its beneath you to make a actual comment of worth.You haven’t discussed anything, and you entered the fray calling people commies and socialists. Then you claim to be a liberal, but not left. You have no point. You offer nothing.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Jaimie, you are vastly superior to everyone. It would be great if you actually had anything to say, but you don’t. Free speech is the foundation of this country. Corporate person-hood will be the death of free speech, but that’s a different subject. It would be nice if what you had to say had any substance.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Wrong.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Completely wrong. What you claim is laughable.

  • Anonymous

    Try this one: http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter
    Whoever wrote the newsletters, they were put out under Paul’s name and were used for fundraising purposes for Paul. Paul now denies he had anything to do with them and blames the racist newsletters on Lew Rockwell; however, Rockwell was working for none other than Ron Paul. Hm.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    The Conservative demographics are changing for the better. More strict Constitutionalists, Civil Libertarians, and Anti-War people are coming over to the Ron Paul tradition of Freedom.

    Obama, his Obamanoids, Bush, Gingrich, Romney, Darth Cheney, and Hillary Clinton all LOVE warfare and ALL of them want war with Iran next.

    It you hope to avoid war, get rid of the Patriot Act, limit the Federal Reserve’s devaluation of the dollar and destruction of YOUR standard of living…it is high time to wake up and support Dr. Paul and whoever he selects to run as his VP.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    Socialist think it would fix everything to sell out to Collectivism but that always only hands power over to murderous tyrants: Mao and Stalin lead the way on that issue. Some would put Hitler in that too but I think he was a total Fascist, which is very similar to the system we currently have of Corporate Socialism wherein the Big Government bilks the populace of their taxpayer dollars and uses that to redistribute wealth to the already wealthiest and most powerful corporations, Banksters, and Wall Streeters.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Stop stalking Jaimie, Biscuit boy, she is really nice person.I am the mean bitch you cannot afford to fuck with. You want blood?. then I am your type of chick, unfortunately you don’t have the intellectual bandwidth to wipe my ass.

  • Anonymous

    Thoroughly debunked trash you are trying to pawn off as truth

    I am not going to bother debunking it again

    It’s very similar to the attacks on his son for worshiping aqua buddha

    Sent from the past

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    I don’t know the ultimate details of this racist reference, but I know an awesome quote when I see it.

    “Foreign aid is taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries,”

    I’m a staunch defender of Social Security, but that quote is one deserving of big honors.

    And I don’t regret that $100 I sent him on the first money bomb back in Dec. 07

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    How utterly silly to make a statement like “Racism (collectivism)” — as if this were common parlance, let alone proven, let alone a meaningful statement. Kindly try to make some sense of this absurdity for us uninitiated. Racism is about division and opposition, scapegoating, and exploitation of minorities. What on this bloody earth does that have to do with selling the glorified idea of all races banding together against the small clique of exploiters at the top of the food chain? Why was there a Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, if collectivism equates to racism?

    Sagacity is more than a collection of clichés, dear fellow.

  • Jaimie11

    Actually I am not talking about volunteers, but for the PEOPLE organizing local city, state, charities that they oversee and manage, delivering services as they are needed to individuals in response to unique personal needs. This would eliminate the interference and skimming off the top of tax monies collected or confiscated on the federal level. Keep the funding voluntary, not a tax. People give billions each year to charities that do little but give cushy jobs, salaries and benefits to the already privileged. Let’s put a stop to that and run our own charities.

    There are ways to deliver uplifting services that do not require centralized government. And I do not recommend shutting down government programs without first establishing replacements that fulfill the minimum requirements, say those provided by government run assistance for example, and exceeding those requirements, so that being down and out is not regarded as a moral crime but as a cry for help to which we respond humanely. Let us find ways to make that help effective and lasting, the way Habitat for Humanity has managed to do.

    But first, the money system must be addressed. The debt based money system creates inflation that causes ever increasing prices and an unending expansion of government and tax increases. It is going to implode and we will all be down and out except for the 2%, the oligarchs running this corrupt system. That is why I support Ron Paul in his battle with the Fed’s illicit power. I do not agree with all of his position, though I think I understand where he is coming from. But on the money issue, he is the only one in DC who is honest enough to make real changes.

    Gotta go. We’ll talk later.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4R2P2BMMM5JTCYWGEU4YW6UWQ Dago T

    This was the first story I clicked on out of 3, 4 that actually opened.

    With new format comes many glitches I guess.

    Oh, yeah — frigg the Tea Party!

    Hate to bother commenting w/out a shot at the ‘baggers! :)

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Ron Paul grew up in Pittsburgh, graduated from Dormont HS there, was a champion in the 220 yard dash. He got his BS in Biology at Gettysburg, his MD at Duke University in N. Carolina, and a US Air Force Flight Surgeon in the 60s. He did his residency in Detroit, Michigan thereafter. He resettled to Texas as an OB/GYN in the mid or late 60′s, ie., after age 30.

    So it’s a misconception that his formative years were in the context of Dixieland.

  • Anonymous

    ok … You have the complete family vote in 2012 !!! ARRIBA ARRIBA .. ANDALE .. ANDALE !!!

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    The two of you have effectively accomplished this much between you, pointing out that:

    1. the power of great wealth, Wall Street, is working against the interest of the Many on behalf of the Few, and

    2. the intended purpose of Government, which was to use Strength in Numbers to redress the disproportionate advantage of the Few of Great Wealth, has — surprise, surprise — become a target of subversion by those same powers, which subversion has been largely successful in redirecting it to their (The Few’s) benefit and away from the proper protective (of the Many) role it was created to have.

    It appears that the idea will only work if The Many start to educate themselves and personally see to it that the damn thing does what it’s supposed to. That said, the idea that dismantling it and letting the corps run wild with no restrictions is no substitute for the above.

    That’s another way of saying, “There’s a ditch on both sides of the road, and neither one is a suitable place to put an automobile.”

  • Guest

    Brian, I think you are confusing Social Darwinism with biological Darwinism.

  • Anonymous

    We had an old man as president once……………………Paul would be 81 at the end of his first term………………the job makes young men age real fast…………….bad idea.

  • yvonneo

    These ron paul supporters respond to any criticism of this man that they worship in typical teabagger fashion. If you don’t agree with them or question their man’s stance on various issues–such as deregulation, corporate taxation, abortion, shutting down govt, etc., they don’t engage in any kind of debate–no, you’ll just be accused of being a socialist, commie, marxist, fascist–or (and this one is rich) you’re a progressive shill or a troll (on a progressive site no less). It’s like they think they can insult and bully people into voting for their guy with their one sentence sound bytes. It’s your typical arrogant rethug/teabagger mentality–they’re right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong. And, of course, if you disagree, then you’re not “thinking for yourself, ” and then they proceed to claim that engaging with either the left or right political parties is “a fool’s game.” Hypocrisy is right.

  • Guest

    Well, luckily for Ron Paul followers, apparently he is NEVER wrong! About anything!

  • Guest

    All you have is schoolyard insults. Pretty weak, dude.

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    What was the strongest decade economically? Most people will say the 50′s and early 60′s.

    What was the top tax rate? 81%! Did the poor picked-on millionaires and billionaires suffer? Well, they were forced to recycle their profits into the business instead of gambling, buying other companies for asset-stripping sorties, manipulating the price of commodities, &c., to avoid confiscatory taxes. If that’s punishment, I guess maybe they did.

    Top tax rates below 50% lead directly to the abuses listed above, and thence to boom-and-bust.

  • Guest

    That’s not very nice :)

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Points well taken

  • Guest

    Exactly, Kthulu. The right’s idea of the market fixing everything is, when enough people die from an unregulated product, eventually the market for that product will “naturally” dry up. These people on the right are making crazytalk.

  • Guest

    Oh, the humanity! Oh you’re such victims! Our hearts just BLEED for ya, you poor guys!

  • Anonymous

    Howard and Bush were friends and partners before they were counterpart leaders. I agree never trust a politician, put their feet to the fire. Ron Paul has maintained a steady philosophy of non-intervention, liberty and the abolition of the “debt” based economy. Trusting politicians is stupid, but unless you are an anarchist, you must agree that they are required in the current system. Therefore, instead of hating everything republican, try looking at individuals and their particular merits. Remember also that the Democrats were historically responsible for starting more wars than the Republicans. The two party system in Australia and USA is counting on you to side with a party instead of a real political view or philosophy, and so many people fall for it.

  • Anonymous

    You poor thing.. it must really hurt being you.. wait until the Nanny state can’t come to your pathetic little rescue.. you’ll have run home to mommy but even she won’t be able to help your sad ass.. It’s retarded to interface with shit-for-brains so at this point (and after your widdle return flame of course) I’ll end it here. BAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

  • Guest

    I think you should give him all your money. And sell your house too, if you own one, give him that, as well.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Aww, nOOb, your argumentation expertise hits the limit of your intellectual exercise

  • TheDevilCanDance

    You seriously need a girlfriend…..:)

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Hahaha, it is quite cute to watch you guys servicing each others, but please do it in private.

  • Anonymous

    “Make the same requirement of the people you vote for and see how far you get.”
    I have, and they haven’t as yet.
    “…not a billionaire like Nancy Pelosi.”
    “When did you ever question her moral character?”

    All the time. I do not like that woman and I think she should be tried as a War Criminal just like the Bush-Cheney Cabal, and all of the senators and congressional reps who voted time and again to fund the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and now the continued occupations.
    For a big alpha like you, calling people midgets must be a real ego boost.  Such a noble act, eh?  I am so impressed.

    Link to comment: http://disq.us/14nrtj

  • Anonymous

    I switched my party to vote for Ron Paul in the primary the guy makes sense and Im starved for some peace

  • yvonneo

    Ron Paul has been a politician for 30+ years and yet you don’t consider him to be a “professional politician” as well? And while there might be two or three issues I agree with him on, there are far more that I disagree with–such as his support of deregulation, abortion, his opposition to campaign finance reform, etc.

    And what exactly has he accomplished in the last 30+ years in DC that anyone should listen to him now? He was right there during Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 when they were deregulating everything, and allowing corporate powers to outsource our jobs–all of which has ended up contributing significantly to the collapse of our economy and the sorry condition our nation is in today.

    And we can talk all day long about how Ron Paul–like all other republicans–proclaims govt as the predominate source of our problems, but what is his stance on reigning in the corporate powers that have undermined and taken over the peoples’ govt? If he were new to the political scene, he’d have a lot more credibility, but he’s not. So IMO, he’s just another career politician telling people what he thinks they want to hear to get elected, and who has also personally benefited significantly from his 30+ years as a so-called representative of the people.

  • Taleisin

    Our two parties demand loyalty. They do not tolerate the individualism your parties do. Only independents have that kind of freedom. I am a swinging voter myself. I am not a hater, I prefer disrespect. although I did hate W for a while, Thanks for the info.

  • Anonymous

    Umm..ok, that makes a lot of sense. Ill have to talk it over with my wife though ;)

  • Anonymous

    You make no sense. You seem like a real nice person though.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what a vastly superior intellectual argument you make.

  • Anonymous

    I DO hope that those…”f*ck the poor, the elderly and the working class”… have a nice secure place where they can hide out, because if they accomplish their agenda, the starving poor will become desperate and even more criminally inclined (than the “white collars” already are) the poor and starving driven to crime, to survive, will start searching for the very wealthy…who put us in this mess (the greedy Corporate Investment Bankers, Koch brothers, Chubby little Karl Rove, CEO’s, Tom Donohue, etc.) that infamous “GOP base….the haves and has mores” maybe President Obama since he seems to be in the business of appeasing, the GOP’s base

  • yvonneo

    Oh, is that the new thing now with you ron paul supporters–anyone who criticizes or doesn’t agree with you about ron paul must have “arrived here from huffpost?” How do you know the spill [from huffpo] overflows here? Or are you just talking out your a$$?

    Also, It seems to me that you’re new around here too, so what ron paul site did you arrive from? And what has lead you to conclude that historically commenters at Raw Story are ron paul supporters? It’s like you guys are literally swarming this site and insulting and attacking anyone who doesn’t agree with you. That’s typical rethug/teabaggery tactics–oh, wait a minute….that’s right…ron paul is a teabagger/republican.

  • yvonneo

    “Mommy government.” Yeah, right. I suppose you’re a birther too. You ron paul supporters just keep spouting off your teabagger talking points. But what’s hilarious about that, is that somehow you believe that the tactic of slamming and insulting progressives that disagree with you is going to convince them that you’re right and they’re wrong. Why don’t you ron paul supporters cite your sources that support your claims about ron paul? Just because you guys say so, isn’t good enough.

    And ron paul is NOT a progressive–he is a corporate-supporting republican/conservative through and through. So trying to convince progressives that the left/right paradigm is false in an attempt to convince them to move to the right to support your guy doesn’t cut it either.

  • Jaimie11

    No I don’t. He is an obstetrician who went into politics for honorable reasons, not for power and money.

    Over thirty years he has been able to position himself within shot range of exposing the fraudulent federal reserve from which all our financial and budget problems emanate. I agree that government adds to many of our problems by pretending it can fix them. It never has and actually makes things worse. Look at who owns the government and tell me that you believe they have our best interests at heart.

    As for abortion – I feel pretty sure you don’t understand his position. It is probably more similar to Ginsburg’s position that you could imagine. There should be NO laws for or against abortion. If women are recognized as truly equal, any decision concerning their bodies is theirs to make with out government prescribing when, why, what they may or may not do. He says let the states make laws if they wish. I don’t agree with him there. But I do think Roe v Wade is invasive control over women and their free consciences.

    As for Paul being there for all the criminality. He has been fighting it unlike most everyone else who has been there. Look at his voting record. How can you fault a person’s integrity just because you disagree with some of his views? You probably voted for Obama who claimed to have views that aligned with yours. What good did that do you or us, when the man has shown he has no integrity?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    The Neo-Con grip on CPAC is definitely slipping:
    % of Neo-Cons receiving votes
    2008-c. 81%
    2009-c. 74%
    2010-c. 55%
    2011-c. 53%
    % of Libertarians/Constitutionalists/Paleoconservatives receiving votes
    2008-c. 12-15%
    2009-c. 13-17%
    2010-c. 31-37%
    2011-c. 42-46%
    Ron Paul’s placement at CPAC in votes (Placement of Neo-Cons):
    2008-4th (3 of top 4 Neo-Cons)
    2009-3rd (7 of top 8 Neo-Cons)
    2010-1st (5 of top 6 Neo-Cons)
    2011-1st (1 of top 4 Neo-Cons)

  • yvonneo

    Well, according to our Constitution, our govt is of, BY and for the people. The problem is that corporate powers (the plutocrats) have undermined and usurped the peoples’ authority and our govt has been thoroughly corrupted as a result. So the “government” per se is we the people–it is not a separate and autonomous entity, with a mind of its own–sheesh. And we elect people to conduct the administrative functions and business of the people–to which we pay them very well.

    What we need to focus on is to take back control of the peoples’ govt from the corporate powers that now run it, and rid ourselves of their corrupted puppets within the halls of Congress and the SCOTUS. Our leaders no longer work for we the people, but instead, have been diligently working to enthrone corporate powers–through deregulation, campaign finance laws, finance reform laws–basically, eliminating anything that curbs corporate power to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants without any legal repercussions–and all at the expense and to the detriment of we the people.

  • Jaimie11

    Still, you have no honorable reason to call anyone of integrity a midget or any other name you use in a derogatory manner.

  • Anonymous

    I really like this part: “Get off the seesaw and do your own thinking”

    Translation, come around to my way of thinking or I will call you nearly every name in the book, including all the names I have used on this thread for all those who took exception to my opinion or dared to castigate, condemn or criticize Ron Paul.

  • Jaimie11

    You are forgetting the economic effects to the victors of the world war, the GI Bill and the return of GIs to an entirely new economic arena readied for advances in science and technology at every level of human endeavor.

    The rise of the middle class had everything to do with massive expansion in every area. The tax rate on the ultra wealthy is probably less significant than the left/right divide would have us believe. Monetary policy, not tax rates, exerted the most influential pressures to produce the current bust. And that was determined not by Congress but by the federal reserve in the interests of its owners who are not us, the people.

    The ways in which we are taxed and the federal reserve’s debt based money system are not in keeping with the Constitution. The value of our money is meant to be stable except in times of national crisis. Taxes are supposed to be levied on income, the definition of which is profit on transactions. For example, if I buy a car from you and sell it for 100 more than I paid you, my income is 100 and is taxable. Or if I invest 1000 in your new enterprise and you were successful and paid me 1200 back, my income is 200.

    If such were the basis of our tax system today, only the rich would pay taxes or the majority of taxes. Working for wages is not income, it is a fair (hopefully) and even trade. My labor in exchange for your money. There is no profit here, no income, no taxes due.

    For this reason I do not believe there will be any progress in this country until the money system is addressed. All talk about socialism or free market capitalism is moot until an honest money system is restored to the people.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, it’s survival of the best adapted to insure healthy off-spring. Fittest does not mean strongest, it means best suited.

  • Jaimie11

    Paul did not grow up in the south – Pittsburgh, PA – went to a private college founded by an abolitionist – and then on to Duke for his MD.

    So please kiss your theory good bye, it has no basis in fact.

  • Jaimie11

    The article you cite looks like a smear to me.

    People have different political and economic positions that those holding opposite positions are tempted to attack instead of discuss. No matter who is doing the attacking and who the victim is, I prefer to look at what is being said over what is being claimed to have been said. It is so easy to take words out of context and interpret them according to context the interpreter insinuates.

  • Anonymous

    Cult of personality? This from you Obama asslickers? Really? You criticize the democrats “under” Obama, yet not the messiah himself. Hilarious. No facts and pure delusion. You are willfully ignorant to what doesn’t support your childish worldview. Another statist nut who wants to be coddled by the nanny state.

  • Jaimie11

    Never been to Texas, have you?

    Obscurantism – you like that word. It’s a good word but doesn’t apply to everything you are prejudiced against.

  • Jaimie11

    Absolute bull – I heard plenty of them complain. You know you sound ignorant. You think criticism of the powers makes it to the nightly news?

    Try this site, you might like it – http://www.antiwar.com/

  • Jaimie11

    That is stupid beyond belief – do you not know he has ALWAYS been opposed to our foreign policy and consistently votes to cut ALL foreign spending?

  • Jaimie11

    And the Republicans, Talei, will NEVER put Ron Paul forward. They hate him – he’s too honest and he wants to break up their money and power game. Are you kidding – put him forward? They are always pushing him back, preventing him from taking part in debates, refusing to cover him on the MSM. He’s a pariah to them. WE WANT HIM FORWARD. Big, big, big difference.

  • Jaimie11

    W was worthy of hate and O is living up to that worthiness himself.

  • Jaimie11

    Not at all Pag – it means give me something that makes sense. You have no means to translate my words, you do not even know the name of the language I speak,

  • Jaimie11

    Sorry yvonneo, you have it all wrong. Sorry you don’t get it. But you will have to come around some day to the unadulterated liberal position, when you guys wake up and realize it’s a lonely, lonely place on the left.

  • Anonymous

    That would be a good race. Obama and Paul are both an equal mix of truth and garbage.

  • Jaimie11

    Wrong! Talk about making stuff up! Phew – frenzied fabrications.

  • Jaimie11

    Can you read Dago? Here try this, it could blow out those cobwebs.

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/wolf21/English

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    So what now I can’t respond to an insulting comment?? I’m not a birther…Obama’s and fraud and that’s all there is to it. I am not a “teaBagger” and I don’t want to be one. So I guess you can take your narrow and stereotypical accusations and flap those turkey wings of yours at someone else.

  • Taleisin

    WOW. When you put it like that, maybe I could like the guy.

  • Balthazars Rebellion

    Well, I do agree with that one. US government is no longer a government of, by and for the people. It has become corporate as it does business structuring empire across the globe by employing the military industrial complex. It looks to cut cost by stripping good intentioned provisions from the people. It imposes unAmerican ideals on the people through the Patriot act, DHS, TSA and fusion centers whose spying operations are focused on the American people. What were once powers of the states have been taken over by corrupt centralized fed agencies who now hold the states hostage to ever changing fed policies in order to give what is owed to them in the first place. The people are now out of the picture. Big government has taken control and THEY are telling the people what will be and to hell with what the people WANT.

  • yvonneo

    You certainly do have a high opinion of your opinion. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, and who knows, maybe time will determine that you’re the one that’s wrong. Good grief. In the meantime, I will not support anyone who does not support the Civil Rights Act. I have a real problem with RP’s (and his son’s) stand on that issue–and his opposition to it speaks volumes IMO.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Jaimie…what you really mean is ” I disagree with you, so you are not a smart as the great and powerful Jaimie”. As usual, no ideas, just attack and belittle. Yawn.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Isn’t the CPAC the guys who just honored Rumsfeld at the same meeting? Nuf said.

  • Jaimie11

    All of the problems we face in the US result from the debt based money system – a criminal ponzi scheme. Until that is dismantled nothing else will be possible. Ron Paul is the only one I know of who has even got it in his sights.

  • Anonymous

    I voted for Obama in 2008. Ron Paul is the only Republican I would consider voting for. I disagree with him on some things, but he doesn’t appear to be a corporatist, unlike the other Republicans, and unlike Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Just so you know, I’m first an Australian citizen and then an American one, so my perspective comes from knowledge of both sides. A lot of people demand loyalty but few deserve it, I make sure to show discretion when showing loyalty based on “team”. I am loyal to the principles of the individual if they resonate with me. The two party system in the US is just as prevalent as in Australia. Hence why it has always been either a Democrat or Republican in charge of the executive branch.

  • Anonymous

    The Ron Paul third party we can fix all the ills of society better without government might want to step up and do something for the people whose meager existences are described in this story. This desperate place in South Dakota would be a great place to start on all that charity work they continue to claim private parties can do better than government because it appears that their favorite enemy “the government” actually has failed these people miserably. And neither private charities nor business start-ups or other private or public entities have accomplished much. This is only probably a tiny segment of all the people who need help in America.

    ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/13/ziebach-south-dakota-poorest-county_n_822608.html

  • Mr. Neutron

    Ron Paul is not a billionaire like Nancy Pelosi.
    Apparently you don’t realize how rare billionaires are.

    Pelosi is not even close – there are many Congresspeople much wealthier than her, and even they are not billionaires:
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php

    Republican Darrell Issa (R-Calif), ex-car-thief, is the richest Congressperson, and he’s only worth about $300 million.
    John Kerry’s wealth is estimated at $239 million, and he’s the wealthiest Senator.

  • Anonymous

    What’s this? Another socialist shill? Yawn. I guess the government will hire anyone to try to get Ron Paul off track. It’s fine, though. We can see through you morons like the shills that you are. Go back to sleep, sheep.

  • Anonymous

    Blah, blah, blah. Those paychecks must be coming in. How much are they paying you, sheep? 200? 400? 600? In an economic collapse, people will do anything to make money. Hell, that means accepting money from the entity that throws you into debt. Here, let me put you back to sleep with a lullaby.

  • Anonymous

    PLEASE! That crap has already proved to be nothing more than a sack of lies supported by the extreme left. SNORE. Why don’t you people try something original?

  • Anonymous

    Of course it does. It scares them because they’re not winning. The Establishment is scared stiff of Dr. Paul. The Rockefellers, the banksters–they’re all running around like chickens at the mere thought of him making it into office.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Anonymous

    He’s a neo-confederate.

  • Anonymous

    And a neo-confederate.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Anonymous

    You sent money to a neo-confederate.

  • Anonymous

    ZZZZZZ!!! BAAAAAAA!!!!! ZZZZZZZ!!! BAAAA!!!! I’m assuming that’s the sound you make when you sleep. You are a sheep, after all.

    Here’s a question for you: why do we need holidays for different ethnic groups? That type of philosophy is grouping, and grouping is what leads to racism. People like MLK were great people. I agree wit his message 100%. But, it’s important to remember two things: First, he was an American. Second, he was an individual. Thus, we should be celebrating him everyday. Why do we need to conform his message to one month a year? It’s nuts. And, of course, the main argument is the color of his skin. So? He’s a different color from me and you. That doesn’t mean he should be treated any differently from anyone else. He spoke a message of individualism. Thus, doesn’t it make sense to respect his message and treat him like one? If he was still alive, I don’t he would like the fact that people were conforming one of the greatest thinkers of our time to a single day In his “I have a dream” speech, Dr. King states that he envisioned a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. Yet, we are doing that to him but conforming his importance to a single month. Again, why are we doing this? It doesn’t make any sense. As a man who had respect for his mind, and spoke a moral and virtuous message on the importance of the individual, we should respect his thoughts and celebrate him everyday.

    This is what libertarians believe.

  • Anonymous

    He was referring that quote to the situation in Egypt. The U.S. Federal Government was sending thousands of dollars to foreign aid to Egypt. However, because the money was being sent to a tyranny, it was being put into the hands of tyrants, and not into the hands of the people.

    This is why foreign policy does not work. The more money that we send, the more power we give the ones that are in power.

  • Guest

    You hit the nail on the head. Which is, in a utopic world (look it up), Ron Paul’s ideas would probably work. The only trouble with that is that it’s not reality. Reality is, people are uncontrollable, and you don’t fix uncontrollable people by removing all the rules and referees allowing the fascists to go ahead with their private for profit agenda in a free for all. What you’ll end up with is an unsustainable (look it up) madness and an unrecognizable waste land, where you can’t breath the air, drink the water, or eat the food. And, to be perfectly honest, the Military Complex, Wall St, the Big Banks, Big Energy, and Chamber of Comerce will all eat Ron Paul alive when he tries to cut them off from their bread and butter, War and the Federal Reserve.

    The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • Guest

    one other point, free market economics is another of man’s insane creations (we were once hunters and gatherers), to define and satisfy his desires, greed. If you can begin to understand this concept you’ll also see why Ron Paul, the nice guy that he is, lives in his own reality.

  • Guest

    my, my, my, now, what could possibly go wrong in a blind devotion scenario …..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Really? I see no evidence that any of the grown-ups even recognize his existence, other than tired, condescending nods at having to tolerate his endless, ignorant rants.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Nice avatar, Komrade! Dictactorial oppression for all!

  • Anonymous

    Paul did go to Gettysburg College, though. That’s a proven fact. Not trying to say that he’s a racist. I know he’s not. I’m just going over his college past.

  • Anonymous

    Lets go over the facts: without government, there would have been no bailouts. Without government, bio corporations like Monsanto couldn’t corrupt the FDA and allow the dangers of GMOs to go flooding into the market. And, without government, the Military Industrial Complex couldn’t expand and continue to be funded by the government imperialism fetish.

    In short, government is not the solution; it has, and always will be, the problem.

  • Taleisin

    Well, G’day Mate! Being on the outside looking in, things are a bit crazy over there. The last few years, the trends in Australian politics tend to mirror American. I have noticed there are some holes in the logic Americans use to approach politics and social issues; other times I notice people get very emotional. I am here to maybe give an alternative point of view. Sometimes I stick me foot in it, and sometimes I am able to encourage good debate. Best of all, I am learning many Americans aren’t as crazy as they appear on TV over here.

  • Guest

    Gotta really spell it out for ya, eh, sparky? er…scorchy… of course I’m criticizing Obama. As if you couldn’t tell from what I wrote above. Obama, another republican president. Just like Clinton. Nobody around here wants to be coddled by anyone, especially you whiny victims on the right, who think the whole world is out to take your money. Selfish and short-sighted bunch of simpletons. Don’t you know what investment means? You can’t have a decent society if nobody invests in it. Don’t you understand how much of what is good in our country comes from pooled investments in the form of tax revenue distributed to various government agencies? Tell you what…STOP using the highways, stop eating food untainted by e-coli and other diseases due to inspections, STOP using technology developed by government investment (including the internet, there, sparky), STOP taking medicines developed by the National Institutes of Health, tell the fire department not to come “coddle” you next time your apartment/home is threatened, etc etc etc… You people are really something.

  • Anonymous

    id love to see him elected, I wouldnt like him being assasinated for attempting real change. hes the only candidate (except kucinich) who wasnt discouraged by the last president that tried real change (kennedy). all the presidents that followed kennedy heard that message loud and clear and created the mess we are in now.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are neo-confederates. Look it up.

  • Anonymous

    Still, you have no honorable reason to call anyone of integrity a midget or any other name you use in a derogatory manner.

    Bite ME!

  • Jaimie11

    Not interested thank you, I’m not a dog.

  • Jaimie11

    Adam, my comment was a response to drobert_bfm, not to you.

    But to clear up something you said – MLK was first American and then an individual. All of us are human individuals first.

    I agree that dividing us up into racial, ethnic, gender, religious groups serves to pit us against each other in competition for favors from Big Daddy – we are first individuals and government needs to be cut down to the appropriate size and be made to follow the law, not play chess games in which we are loot for the predetermined winner.

  • Anonymous

    Lots of RP supporters say, “he’s gonna do this”, “he’s gonna fix that”, and give all these intricate explanations and predictions about what “he’s gonna do”. –Bullshit! (To quote GC, and God bless him too). How do you know what RP’s gonna do? He can promise to end the crap – just like O (Hope and Change) – but in the end he must serve the hidden forces of evil, or else. How many times you gonna fall for the same deception with a different face, ou la la – as they say in French – isn’t this one getting old already, my fellow Americans?

  • Anonymous

    Comment deleted by poster.

  • SocialistCafe

    A socialist in a capitalist world is a sheep? Nice little fantasy planet you’re living on. And, btw, Martin Luther King Jr was a SOCIALIST who believed in government guaranteed minimum income for all. You might try reading a real book once in awhile. And maybe lighten up on the drugs.

  • SocialistCafe

    J-11, I’m all for local organizing and local control but it is the corporate control of government we need to break, not government itself. And, really, call it whatever you want but ‘local organizing’ IS a form of government. And volunteer work can be done either directly or by going to a job, earning a wage and then making a donation with it. It is still a volunteer effort. Do away with government programs and the death toll would be unimaginable.

  • Jaimie11

    Thanks, Neutron, you’re right – she is only a multi-millionaire. Point is she does not NEED her salary and benefits yet has never made one move towards declining them for the sake of the people whose interests she says she represents.

    Would you agree that all those wealthy members of congress could do better by not accepting their salaries and benefits. In their positions that is what I would do, wouldn’t you?

  • Guest

    Lets see some proof! I will not accept your words as fact until then.

  • SocialistCafe

    Wow! Ron Paul tap danced onto stage to the tunes of Aretha Franklin? Wow. I hear he had his picture taken once with a black man too. And once he wore a black tie. So he must not be racist.

    You fools will believe anything.

  • Guest

    I did look that up and can find no correlation between libertarians and neo-confederates. Maybe I missed it, I am multi-tasking here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Confederate

  • Guest

    You should go and check out the Venus project, its full of overly ideological, Utopian believing, Reality deniers like yourself.

  • Guest

    SHOW US THE PROOF OF RACISM OR STFU.

  • Guest

    How many times are you gonna paste the same, tired old line on this board? It really is getting quite old.

  • SocialistCafe

    And what exactly have I written that is denying reality? Use quotes. Or are you the one denying reality?

  • SocialistCafe

    Either you’re too lazy to look it up yourself or you’re too ignorant to understand the ample evidence. Your mom must be proud.

  • Guest

    Are you single?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    she’s gay…

  • http://proudprimate.com Proud Primate

    Come to think of it, Israel isn’t a poor country, yet they get the most aid. So that’s somewhat of a weak spot in the quip, now that you narrow it down.

    But the basic premise is on the money, in that our tax money goes to propping up corrupt elites, but it is sold in the name of those they oppress. That’s almost universally true.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares if he’s racist? He’s against killing innocent brown people en masse. Obama, like Cheney is truly a racist, murdering every single day because they are brown.

  • Anonymous

    Er, excuse me there, whitey. I’m only going to explain this once and then I’m through wasting my time with you. First, I’m not a “righty.” I’m not a member of your bullshit false left/right paradigm. Obama is a republican president? There hasn’t been a president representative of the people’s interest since Kennedy. Both “sides” are owned by the same puppet masters i.e. the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and whatever other secretive goofy ass clubs these Wall Street banksters and elitist nutjobs partake in. Oh, and by the way, study the history of the Federal Reserve. Guess what? They HAVE and DO steal your money and have been all your life. You are a card carrying slave and a useful idiot.

    Secondly, I’m sorry but you need to study recent history a little better. Collectivism doesn’t work. Your precious utopia will never happen or, at least, not the way you envision it. Communism, socialism, Marxism, fascism (and no I am not saying they are the same thing) always end the same way: with the power in the hands of an elite few and everyone else left to rot in a police state. Millions dead in the USSR, China, Europe, etc. because they were “different” and didn’t believe in the common goal of the state. Is that really the world you want to live in? We are all individuals and we can have common goals. But the government isn’t the answer to every problem and isn’t designed to be. The founders of this country understood that.

    Finally, you can’t invest when you don’t have money to invest with. Your argument is a strawman. Hell, you must think that Keynes is a genius. The United States is in debt up to its eyeballs to both China and the Federal Reserve. Yet this country can endlessly invest in bailouts, foreign aid, “security” measures, and never ending war. Why isn’t all of this investment going to all that you mentioned? Our infrastructure is crumbling, there are no jobs, everything is outsourced, emergency services are not being funded in certain areas of the country, and all these wonderful government agencies play grab ass and cover up with the Fortune 100 to ensure no competition. Fascism, whitey, it’s what’s for dinner. That’s reality, etc. etc.
    You people really are something.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Hahaha, you are a wise boy, you know that compliments will get you everywhere. Be Nice to my friend Jaimie11, she is a nice lady :)

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes I am, but unless you look like Megan Fox, you are not exactly my type :)

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