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Thousands of Wisconsin union workers protest budget plan

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Tuesday, February 15, 2011 19:12 EDT
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MADISON, Wisconsin – More than 10,000 union public employees and supporters packed the Capitol Square and the inside of the statehouse on Tuesday to protest Gov. Scott Walker’s budget plan to strip many bargaining rights from state and local government workers.

Republicans legislators hope to get the bill, announced by the new Republican governor last Friday, to Walker’s desk by the end of the week. The office of the Republican legislative leaders say they have the votes for passage.

Republicans took over majority control of the Wisconsin legislature and won the governorship in the 2010 election.

Protesters chanted and held signs while the Joint Finance Committee heard testimony on the bill. The committee planned to go into the night to hear from hundreds signed up to speak.

Arlyn Halvorson, a farmer, highway worker and AFSCME member who is also president of the McFarland School Board near Madison, urged lawmakers to step back and take another look.

“It’s one thing to do fiscal business and it’s another to do political business and take people’s rights away,” he said.

Republicans said collective bargaining rules must be changed so governments can avoid laying off thousands of workers due to a short-term budget gap of $137 million and a two-year budget hole estimated by Walker at $3.6 billion.

Police estimated some 13,000 people attended the protest. Walker is due to unveil a two-year budget plan on February 22.

A growing number of deficit-ridden states have tried to curb expenses by going after public employee union contracts and pensions.

(Reporting by Jeff Mayers, editing by Mary Wisniewski and Greg McCune)

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  • ProgressiveInNewYork

    Since The Packers showed up along with all the union members, those effected by the bullies threats as well as those not effected (police/fire fighters).
    I think a more accurate title might have been.

    The People of Wisconsin protest draconian threats from Republican Governor over their rights.

  • Anonymous

    i will never vote repulikook again…..even if the dems have a retard in the whitehouse, the republikooks are way too stupid to run our country…wars, greed, higher taxes, cuts for the wealthy , because GWB
    mis-managed our country into higher debt!.. Rememeber what bush said “i will not endorse or run for any office again! “

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RT3XX4DFKZ2AD7JHO3D3PZ7G4M ChrisK

    There is a reason for unions and the biggest one is asshole governers like Walker.

  • http://www.bobcatarts.com/ Robert Gandy

    A union is a group of people using the vote to control their future. A union is a group of people using their collective power to protect each other and ensure fair treatment. A union is democracy in action. What does Gov. Walker have against democracy?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    OK Raw readers if you are close by think about joining in the protests. This is not just about unions or budgets thei is about Plutocratic control of the minions!

  • Guest

    I understand this right wing snake of a Governor Wisconsin somehow stuck itself with is talking about calling out the National Guard to crush the protests. Stay classy, Republicans!

  • yvonneo

    This WI governor has also threatened to call out the National Guard against a walkout.

    “Walker is facing fierce criticism for this all-out assault against state workers, especially after he insisted that the “National Guard” will be used against a walkout:

    When asked by a reporter what will happen if workers resist, Walker replied that he would call out the National Guard. He said that the National Guard is “prepared…for whatever the governor, their commander-in-chief, might call for. … I am fully prepared for whatever may happen.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/

    This guy is actually threatening to mobilize the National Guard to go after state workers that walkout in protest. The citizens of WI should demand a recall on Walker ASAP. He’s another dangerous tool of the plutocrats.

  • Anonymous

    Make NO MISTAKE people this is NOT just about public employees these “Reich Wing” bastards are out to bust all of the Unions. Their hero Ronald Reagan started us down this path 30 years ago. The whole idea is to totally and completely destroy the working poor and middle class so that the rich assholes will control everything.

  • Anonymous

    Any collective bargaining unit (union) realizes the need to bargain in good faith (you can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip) but also recognizes that they must bargain from a position of strength to avoid getting crushed. The workers always live up to there side of the bargain, they do the work; it’s management who then cries poverty when they don’t adequately fund a deferred compensation program, for example.

  • Anonymous

    Entitlement..WE paid for them and we are entitled to them…..the politicians, Bankers, Corporations did not pay for them..but we pay for Congress’s entitlements) on the other hand, Governor Walker/GOP (and Wall Street!)…YOU did NOT pay for OUR entitlements (you stole them (the market crash) and now you want to cheat us out of paying it back, (by “defaulting”), on them) but YOU are NOT entitled to them…!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget to mention that this fucking tory-governor is going to bring in the “Nazi-tional Guard” to kill people:

    Governor Walker notifies Wisconsin National Guard as State Worker Union Unrest Grows

    http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/telliottmbamsc/blog/2011/02/governor-walker-notifies-wisconsin-national-guard-state-worker-uni

  • Anonymous

    Go Egypt!

  • Anonymous

    It’s time to “Walk Like An Egyptian” in Wisconsin:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmsB5JXXnY

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t like the link for this, so I just “pasted” it here. Thom Hartmann read it this morning over the air:

    The following unedited letter from a desperate and hopeless unemployed 99er named Mark was brought to my attention by another hard-working 99er, Bud Meyers, of A Company of One. Mark’s contact information is not yet available, but a number of 99ers are trying to track his whereabouts.

    Many 99ers, unemployed and financially vulnerable Americans, will be able to relate to Mark’s emotional letter. Hopefully Mark’s moving letter also breaks through to those who can change these tragic circumstances with the stroke of a pen or a small change of mindset that considers a person’s life over the constant pursuit of record profits and bonuses; the occupiers of corporate executive suites, Wall Street banking kingdoms and the Halls of Congress:

    To the unemployed, sick, disabled and poor:

    Hello,

    I’m unemployed over two years now, a 99er without any benefits for three months. I followed Unemployed Friends almost from its start, never posted until now, but am grateful for my time with you all. I did as asked with calls and e-mails, etc. I’ve a confession to make to you all. I’m a criminal.

    I’ve obeyed the 10 commandments and all laws except: I’m unemployed and that’s now a crime, I’m poor and that’s a crime, I’m worthless surplus population and that’s a crime, I’m a main street American Citizen born and raised in the USA and that’s now a crime, and I’m euthanizing myself as I write this note — so arrest my corpse. This isn’t a call for help, the deed is done, it’s not what I wanted. Death is my best available option. It’s not just that my bank account is $4, that I’ve not eaten in a week, not because hunger pangs are agonizing (I’m a wimp), not because I live in physical and mental anguish, not because the landlady is banging on the door non-stop and I face eviction, not that Congress and President have sent a strong message they no longer help the unemployed. It’s because I’m a law abiding though worthless, long-term unemployed older man who is surplus population. Had I used my college education to rip people off and steal from the elderly, poor, disabled and main street Americans I would be wearing different shoes now — a petty king. Hard work, honesty, loving kindness, charity and mercy, and becoming unemployed and destitute unable to pay your bills are all considered foolishness and high crimes in America now. Whereas stealing and lying and cheating and being greedy to excess and destroying the fabric of America is rewarded and protected — even making such people petty king and petty queens among us.

    Since the end of 2008, when corporate America began enjoying the resumption of growth, profits have swelled from an annualized pace of $995 billion to the current $1.66 trillion as of the end of September 2010. Over the same period, the number of non-farm jobs counted by the Labor Department has slipped from 13.4 million to 13 million — there is no recovery for the unemployed and main street. We taxpayers have handed trillions of dollars to the same bank and insurance industry that started our economic disaster with its reckless gambling. We bailed out General Motors. We distributed tax cuts to businesses that were supposed to use this lubrication to expand and hire. For our dollars, we have been rewarded with starvation, homelessness and a plague of fear — a testament to post-national capitalism.

    Twelve years ago, I lost the last of my family. Ten years ago, I lost the love of my life, couldn’t even visit him in the hospital because gays have no rights. I fought through and grieved and went on as best I could. Seven years ago, I was diagnosed with Diabetes and Stage 2 high blood pressure with various complications including kidney problems, mild heart failure, Diabetic Retinopathy. These conditions are debilitating and painful. I am on over eight prescribed medications, which is very difficult without insurance and income. But I struggled on and my primary caregiver was very pleased with my effort overtime with my A1C at seven. Still these physical disabilities have progressively worsened, and I have had a harder and harder time functioning in basic ways. All the while, I give thanks to God because I know there are many more worse off than me — and I tried to help by giving money to charities and smiling at people who looked down and sharing what little I had.

    I am college educated and worked 35 years in management, receiving written references and praise from every boss for whom I worked. Yet, after thousands of resumes, applications, e-mails, phone calls, and drop ins, I’ve failed to get a job even at McDonalds. I’ve discovered there are three strikes against me — most 99ers will understand. Strike one — businesses are not hiring long-term unemployed — in fact many job ads now underline “the unemployed need not apply.” Strike two — I am almost 60 years old. Employers prefer hiring younger workers who demand less and are better pack mules. Strike three — for every job opening I’ve applied, there are over 300 applicants according to each business who allow a follow up call. With the U3 unemployment holding steady at 9.6percent and U6 at 17 percent for the past 18 months, the chances of me or any 99er landing a job is less than winning the Mega Million Jackpot. On top of that, even the most conservative economists admit unemployment will not start to fall before 2012 and most predict up to seven years of this crap.

    I believe the Congress and President have no intention of really aiding the unemployed — due to various political reasons and their total removal from the suffering of most Americans, their cold-hearted, self-serving natures. Had they really wanted to help us, they could have used unspent stimulus monies or cut foolish costs like the failed wars or foreign aid, and farm subsidies. The unspent stimulus money alone cold have taken care of ALL unemployed persons for five years or until the unemployment rate reached 7 percent if Congress and the President really wanted to help us — and not string us all along with a meager safety net that fails every few months. In any case, if I were to survive homelessness (would be like winning the mega-millions) and with those three strikes against me, in seven more years, I’ll be near 70 with the new retirement age at 70 — now who will hire an old homeless guy out of work for nine years with just a few years until retirement?

    So, here I am. Long term unemployed, older man, with chronic health problems, now totally broke, hungry, facing eviction. My landlady should really be an advocate for the unemployed — she bangs on my door demanding I take action. A phone call and a “please” are not enough for her — she is angry. She is right to be angry with me, I am unemployed — as apparently everyone is now angry with us unemployed.

    Two hundred and eleven and social services cannot help single men. Food banks and other charities are unable to help any more folks — they are overwhelmed with the poor in this nation. So I have the “freedom” to be homeless and destitute and “pursue happiness” in garbage cans and then die — yay for America huh? It’s the end of November and cold. A diabetic homeless older person will experience amputations in the winter months. So I will be raiding garbage cans for food, as my body literally falls apart, a foot here, a finger there. I have experienced and even worked with pain from my diseases — hardship I can face. I just cannot muster the courage to slowly die in agony and humiliation in the gutter.

    I have no family, I have no friends. For the past two years, I’ve had nobody to talk with as people who knew me react to the “unemployed” label as if it were leprosy and contagious. I am not a bad person, in fact people really like me. But everyone seems to be on a tight budget these days and living in incredible fear. It is hopeless since we all are hearing more and more that we unemployed are to blame for unemployment, that we are just lazy, that we are no good, that we are sinners, that we are druggies, yet we are the victims who suffer and are punished while the robber baron banksters and tycoons become senators, congress, presidents and petty kings. So the only option left for me is merciful self euthanasia.

    It is with a heavy heart that I have set my death in motion, but what I am facing is not living. So off I go, I have made peace with God and placed my burden on Jesus and He forgives me. This nation has become evil to the core, with cold-hearted politicians and tycoons squeezing what little Main Street Americans have left. It is not the America into which I was born — the land of the free and the home of the brave with kind folks who help neighbors — it is now land of the Tycoon-haves and the rest of us have-nots who march into hopelessness and despair.

    Every unemployed person I have met over these past two years have been saintly. Sharing what little they have, and being charitable — being kind and patient and supportive. Isn’t it amazing that we Americans who suffer so much, have not taken to the streets in violence, riots or gotten out the guillotines and marched on tycoons and Washington in revolt as would happen in most other nations? But rather we plead with deaf politicians to please help us. We don’t demand huge sums — just 300 bucks a week, barely enough to cover housing for most. Most of all we say, please help us get a job, please allow us dignity.

    I can’t help but juxtapose our plight to the tycoons and politicians. They are never satisfied with their enormous wealth, and always want more millions no matter whom it hurts. They STEAL from pension funds, banks, the people and government, and little Wall Street investors. Then rather than face punishment, they become petty kings in this world. They are disloyal to America, unpatriotic, and serve their own foreign UN-American greedy causes and demand more and more and more. I feel that this is not the nation into which I was born. I was born in America, the land of the free and the home of the brave. America, where people give as much as they receive. America, where all people work for the common good, and try to leave a better and more prosperous nation for the next generation. America, where people help their neighbors and show charity and mercy. This new America is alien to me — it is an America of greed and corruption and avarice and mean spirited selfishness and hatred of the common good — it is an America of savage beasts roaring and tearing at the weak, and bullying the humble and peacemakers and poor and those without means to defend themselves. I am not welcome here anymore. I don’t belong here anymore. It’s as if some evil beast controls government, the economy, and our lives now.

    I must go now, my home is someplace else. Goodbye and God bless you all. God bless the unemployed and poor and elderly and disabled. God bless America and the American people except the tycoons and politicians — may God retain the sins of tycoons and politicians and phony preachers and send them to the Devil.

    Mark

  • cannotvote

    As corporations have Person status, would it benefit Unions to have Person status as well – with all the benefits that corporations have!?

  • Anonymous

    This is a full-out assault on the working class. Now this pig is threatening to unleash the National Guard because he knows the kind of unrest this will bring? This is chilling. A clear threat to stay silent and do what we’re told, or face the consequences.

    It seems to me that the battle lines have been drawn and I’m glad to see that so many people have already taken to the streets. We are now in a struggle for our very existence – a class war started by the wealthy against the poor. It’s time to fight back!

  • Anonymous

    How in the hell did this son-of-a-bitch ever get elected! What the hell is wrong with the voters of this country? Have over half of the people in America really gone mad?

  • ProgressiveInNewYork

    how much money did the Chamber of Commerce pump into this campaign?
    Always, Follow The Money! You will find the hand of those who hate democracy behind it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Hear, hear!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Why can’t at least some sections of the Guard be turned to the side of the people? They could certainly refuse the order to shoot.

    We know about the infamous Guard massacres, always on direct orders from the highest authorities, from Ludlow to Kent State:

    http://www.archaeology.org/0411/abstracts/letter.html

    But is there any record of Guard rebellion against their murdering officers and the governors that love them?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    This governor has no legitimate authority. It’s a crime to obey or respect the subhuman son of a cocksucking pig or any other refuckingscum whore under any circumstances whatever.

    Death to the legacy of Ronald Reagan!

  • Anonymous

    Will people in the USA finally wake up???????? What will it take?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    There can be reasons for revolution, at least according to Jefferson.

    I wonder what the biggest one of those might be ……

  • Anonymous

    Turn to Link TV and watch Al Jazeera show the truth. When that psychopath governor rolls the tanks out, will the Guard turn them around or kill their own relatives? Stay tuned…………….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Vote against the worst Nazis, but understand that, as Jefferson said, there are times when the only true remedy is revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Psychopaths that have no feelings except to grab that last dime out of your “dead cold hands.”

  • Anonymous

    Those on the left thought by not voting it would punish the Dems!!!!! WTF?????

  • Anonymous

    Republicans also took over both houses of the legislature and the state house here in Ohio in 2010 and they’re trying to do the very same thing here. Republicans won’t be happy until they’ve eradicated every union in America.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    10,000 people protest while Dictator Walker threatens to call in the National Guard (a/k/a Walker’s thugs) to show them their love. Now, y’all remember that incident a few weeks ago when my kid was leaving the college campus and texted me that the subway had been overtaken by the army in full combat gear including assault riffles and there was no mention of the incident ever in the corporate media? Well, now y’all now what that was about. It was a drill, the Dark Forces are preparing to shower us with their love just like Mubarak did in Egypt, Ahmadinejad is now doing in Iran and the Zionists have been doing with the Palestinians for the past 60+ years.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Why vote at all? Don’t you know that the game is rigged? Voting only gives them power. He who casts the vote does not count but he who counts the vote wins.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    I wonder if they do have that right under Citizens Affronted. Do they qualify as corporations from the federal point of view? Any honest lawyers in the crowd? (But I contradict myself.)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You can’t have a revolution because you over-extended your credit limit and crashed the economy while living it up in the fast lane.

  • Ignatzfattis

    The Rich love a Rich/Poor society. Keep them destitute and the Poor will do literally anything for a buck, and not press charges afterwards. The Unions represent the Middle Class -a group that has enough money and education to not desperately take whatever is offered, and who tend to know and stick up for their Rights. The Rich HATE that shit.You think the only focus of the Rich is to aquire more money? -nope, their other focus is in keeping the rest of us as poor and stupid as possible. In reality, the GOP’s overall goal is to turn this country into one that mirrors the Third World in Rich/Poor contrast -they WANT to destroy the Unions and keep the economy bad so that American workers will desperately take what wages are offered them -with today’s Globalization and the Unions dead, American workers will be competing even more directly with workers in other countries. The GOP WANTS the average American on the street to be destitute -and willing to do literally anything for a buck to feed their families. If the family is destitute, who has time for an education? Keep ‘em Stupid, stupid. The Rich filled their coffers big time recently, and they want to make sure ours stay empty for good this time. They want to bring back the days when the Rich were Rich, and the Poor were Poor.If the Rich are given the choice between living in the Richest country in the world OR being among the Richest in their country, they’ll take the latter every time. Bush/Cheney and the GOP helped themselves and their friends become obscenely rich during the last administration. Their plan is now to keep the American people as poor as possible -not only because in comparison they will be all the richer, but because with a strong Rich/Poor contrast comes even more power for those with the money. In effect the Poor end up giving the Rich power -they enable the Rich to break labor laws, pay low wages, get out of legal scrapes, etc. Want power? -keep everyone else poor -the answer to every task given will be “Yes Sir! Anything you say Sir!!”. There is quite literally no downside for the Rich if everyone else is destitute, that is until…So ten years from now, do you want to work for the wages that the average Third World guy gets? -Vote Republican.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    The time for talk is over. The Republican class war is in full swing. (Just ask Warren Buffet) All union members need to discover their cajones and organize a national strike with preparations for the strike to last 22 days. Simple one or two day protests have lost their bite. You have got to get the management class where it hurts, their wallet.

  • Anonymous

    This is one of my favorites:

    History Matters — Montgomery Ward Chairman removed from office in 1944 by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    http://buzzbrown.blogspot.com/2009/04/history-matters-montgomery-ward.html

    ….and on the other end was this horrible spectacle:

    “The Bonus Army Invades Washington, D.C., 1932″

    “Out of work, destitute, and with families to feed, the veterans organized a march on Washington in May of 1932 to force Congress to immediately pay their bonus. An estimated 15,000 made their way to the nation’s capital and dubbed themselves the “Bonus Expeditionary Force.”

    http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/bonusarmy.htm

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Entitlement is the wrong word to use. Anything you pay for, whether its insurance or retirement, is not an entitlement but a right. An entitlement is something that’s given to you for nothing: i.e. the Pentagon budget, the banksters bail out, the insurance sell out, the tax cuts for the wealthy, etc..

  • Johnny Warbucks

    This is not Egypt, my friend. These thugs are trained and paid to shoot. Who they shoot, where or why is irrelevant as long as they shoot.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Aaaah, see. Some of us have been saying that there is a class war on for 30 years and that the they are winning it and the us are losing. And we were labeled as nuts. Now, y’all can see it. Problem is that it’s way too late do anything about it. The time for action is long past cause everybody was too busy shopping at the malls, buying themselves half million dollar houses they couldn’t afford and watching Dancing With The Stars.

  • Anonymous

    For several decades, public employees have had a good ride, at the expense of the rest of us, and I wish them well – but I refuse to work until death to pay higher taxes to fund their retirements at 50, 55, or 60, from jobs where they are virtually un-fire-able, in all too many cases whether they work or not.

    Legislators backed by these unions have virtually been negotiating with themselves regarding all those taxpayer-guaranteed benefits, and Obama’s last “stimulus” did nothing but guarantee that they wouldn’t have to suffer the depression like the rest of us. Let’em demonstrate, so long as they follow the law, but watch closely to see whether their true loyalties are to the public whom they claim to serve, or to their cushy jobs which they intend to perpetuate.

    Not on my dime, thanks.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Knowing Amerikans as intimately as I unfortunately do, I say, it’s shoot to kill. And enjoy the massacre.

  • Anonymous

    Private sector employees once had a fairly good ride as well. Cowardice permitted your castration by your bosses: you lost your unions, your pensions, your vacations, and your healthcare. You are nothing but chattel now, and misery loves company.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    The biggest reasons are the ones we so desperately want to deny are true. The right of EVERY citizen to petition the government for a redress of grievances has been lost and our ability to elect representatives that represent the people has been lost. First the public schools were gutted to ensure that there is not a well informed electorate. Then the owners institute subtle propaganda against unions and foment union jealousy among the non-unionized and finally hate of the union. (The Reagan years). Next institute an overt propaganda channel to subvert the power of the press and ultimately destroy it through economic competition. Finally bring CIA election engineering home and make it routine. This is how the owners have committed their coup against the people of the US. We have only one card to play and that is disobedience. If we are to even compete against this class war that we are losing we must stop working and shopping until the machine grinds to a halt.

  • Mac and Sandy

    This is about union busting and the Police and Fire and public safety are next.
    This is about the corporations getting cheap labor.
    They are taking away the right to “bargin” if your employer treats you badly you have no recourse.

    corporatism and the republicans are trying to roll back to low wages, no recourse, child labor, 12 hour days 7 days a week.

    YOU are next – remember how outsourcing went – first the blue collar workers, then the while collar workers then the technical people and the middle management.

  • Taleisin

    30 years? This is how it has always been in America. European aristocratic tyranny with a different name.

    http://www.alternet.org/economy/149930/wisc._governor_makes_a_cold-blooded_threat_to_sic_the_national_guard_on_union_workers_

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Well, anything to avoid making the filthy rich pay their fair share, eh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Their not-so-secret plan is to repeal the 20th century.

  • Anonymous

    A Union is about as free market as you can get. It’s people deciding to work together and bind their talents together to force a general rise in the workers rights and wages. It’s a very Republican idea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    You need to turn off Fox so you can think straight. How exactly did the stimulus package go to state workers? You lie when you wish them well, before calling them lazy free-loaders.

    And I’m sick to death of you pinheads complaining about paying the lowest tax rates in 60 years. Do some real research or STFU.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    “Small-Government” types should move to Somalia, where the Government’s REALLY small.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Exactly. Until we’re all working for slave wages and no benefits.

  • Anonymous

    I think Walker doesnt like the kind of democracy that doesn’t vote for him to be the feudal overlord.
    This right wing craplaw really makes me angry. Know , ye brothers and sisters in Wisconsin, that the working people stand with you.

  • Ignatzfattis

    Exactly -and Weak, and where the Rich are Rich and the Poor will do literally anything to feed their families. The American Rich are jealous.Libertarianism unofficially FLOURISHES in the Third World.

  • Anonymous

    The greedy unions have ruined this country. Look to Detroit for your future.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not just about unions, either. This is a direct assault on working people, and our quality of life. This is class warfare.
    The financial and political elite may have money, but the sure as hell don’t have numbers.
    The question will be, as it always has been, who has the most courage ?

  • Anonymous

    The banks got all the money. Both left and right gave them all the money. Now theyare going to after your real wealth. Soon everyone will be broke and hungry.

    Republican and democrats are identical. The bankers are your true masters

  • Anonymous

    Teachers: in the 60′s we had to unite and work together to protect ourselves and our jobs. Wake up and support these folks!!!

  • tsuki

    They will be shooting screaming Viva Kent State.

  • tsuki

    Eisenhower was McArthur’s aide and Patton had the tanks.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    I expected to see more “likes” here. People are not getting the message. They don’t understand that they WILL be “represented” by war criminals. I stopped voting and I even pulled my name off the “registered voters list”… “they” didn’t like that!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I said this yesterday and I’m repeating it today “Fascism has come to Amerika, wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross”

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    We have no rights… rights… can’t be taken away. The only rights you have are the ones you secure for yourself.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yes. Doublespeak at its finest.

  • tsuki

    13,000 people showed up. My question, how did they vote if the Republicons took over the Governorship and the Legislature? How did they vote?

    I ask this question because in my county, the teachers I know voted Republicon. I know only one Democrat that won’t discuss politics at school because she gets jumped.

    Now, the teachers are all crying about the plans of the Governor to slash property taxes by 14% and slash the school budget.

    When they bitch to me, I point out that they voted Republicon this election, and they’ll vote Republicon the next election, and then tell them to STFU. Bitching does not help if you are consistently vote against your own best interests. You are going to have to learn to live with Stupid.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    One more time: Repugnant Supreme Court appointments = Roberts, Alito

    Democratic Supreme Court appointments = Sotomayor, Kagen

    They are NOT the same and the difference can change things for multiple generations (see Citizens United)

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    True… and all we really have to do is….. walk. No guns… no blood… no death… just walk.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Rights? What rights? We don’t need no stinkin’ rights. Besides, we weren’t using them anyway.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Ditto that. But when it comes to the unions, the war was declared by Raygun 30 years ago. Before that, they were alive and well (granted some more than others but at least people had that choice). Obama’s auto industry bailout was nothing else but the kiss of death for the unions. That was the trade off. The stupid ones didn’t see that one coming.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Oh yeah it was the Unions that crashed Wall Street and took the entire world economy to the edge!

    Oh yeah its the Union stewards and bosses that are bringing down those multiple million dollar bonuses.

    Oh yeah its the Unions that are sending jobs over seas.

    If you want to work for slave wages wirthout benefits move to China!

    If you seriously believe the unions have any fault in the current economic situation have watched too much Faux News

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The new RS format seems to be attracting a lot of Democraps. They’re all dreamers. They think that voting can change everything. Ha ha!

    I stopped voting over a decade ago. I also get out of jury duty that way. Another travesty, another charade, another exercise in futility.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Why can you “get it” that the unions have lifted your boat too?

    Why don’t you look to the revenue shift from business to individuals? Without that 66% cut we would not be talking about budget shortages.

    Why don’t you look to see where the money has gone. In case you haven’t figured it out most of the money has been shifted to Wall Street in the form of higher corporate profits and to the wealthy in the form of lower taxes.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Where does he go to school?

  • Anonymous

    Why on earth did you vote Republican in the first place? I wonder how many union people whose
    lives will be affected by this governor voted Republican?

  • Anonymous

    Right, people are still talking about a ‘slippery slope’ and ‘taking the first steps toward…’; they just haven’t been watching. We have virtually unverifiable voting thanks to the HAVA (ushered in by an APOINTED president) and easily manipulatable voting machines, a Patriot Act and its legal elaborations in law that has rolled back almost every Constitutional protection the citizenry had, a government that is totally unresponsive to all but the handful of wealthy corporate and banking interests and wars that have sucked the republic’s treasure into a black hole. This IS a neo-fascist state.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try. Businesses have to make a profit or close. We can’t print our own money or hold a gun to your head and demand yours. So our employees have to produce or we have to let them go. Not so in government.

    You can buy most products from a variety of suppliers. Mac or PC, Ford or Toyota. But government is a monopoly.

    Where else can you get a driver’s license? If your local Mac or PC outlet were run like the Drivers License Office, would you ever go back”

    Get the picture?

    Try again.

    Best

    Chris in VA

  • Guest

    That’s what the RepuKKKes always do, but people keep voting them right back in. The Democrats are pathetic too, but they usually will pay some lip service to the “middle class,” whereas the PuKKKes have only way of operating:

    Make the rich richer, actively screw the poor, destroy government unless you can steal it blind, impose rules that others have to obey but RepuKKKes don’t, and everyone else fend for herself.

  • Anonymous

    Why would you vote Republican in the first place? I wonder how many union people in Wisconsin
    voted Republican?

  • Guest

    He has fantasies he’s Calvin Coolidge, another reich-wing icon (though Coolidge didn’t hate black people), but then I doubt Walker even knows who Coolidge is.

  • Anonymous

    Denny – did you send a copy of this to the President. Do you mind if I repost to my FaceBook? This is something that should be splashed everywhere! Why – because sadly it is TRUE.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t believe it’s ever too late to fight injustices.

  • Anonymous

    This is more like the mopping-up action IMO, only 11% of the workforce is organized. Unions provided a natural counterweight to unrestrained greed on the part of the ownership class because of it’s political clout and direct bargaining. 25 years of shipping (and threatening to do so if the workforce organized) manufacturing jobs out of the country (the segment of the workforce most heavily unionized) automatically decreased union membership. We now have an economic divide larger than any other time in our history except for the Gilded Age and 11% worker organization and no real manufacturing base. These things are not a coincidence.

  • Anonymous

    My sentiments exactly!

  • Guest

    Not just the reich-wing, though; they even have Dumbocrats believing that unions are the source of all our problems, even though if it weren’t for unions a huge portion of the WHITE population of the United States would not have moved into the middle class. Think of the police, firemen, civil service workers, machinists and people with trades, autoworkers, factory workers, etc. All the many millions of Americans who moved from poverty into the middle class–the union movement was key to this.

    The reich-wing has attempted to break unions SINCE THE NINETEENTH CENTURY. Think of the violent attacks on workers by the likes of Carnegie and others. Think of the labor unions that organized to prevent mistreatment of railroad workers, etc. The right and plutocrats have always fought tooth and nail to destroy organized labor, because organizers workers mean fewer millions–or billions these days–into their pockets.

    We have to stop the assault on organized labor, an assault that is now part of our everyday rhetoric and discourse. We have to say enough is enough.

    No union ever brought this country to its knees.

    The people who nearly destroyed this country and the globe in 1929 are the same vile, greedy, insatiable bloodsuckers who nearly destroyed this country in 2008: the bankers, the plutocrats, the politicians, and the corporate media who did everything they could to further their lies and destroy us all.

  • Anonymous

    Good one.

  • Anonymous

    Another good one.

  • Anonymous

    Just raise the fucking taxes on the goddamned selfish rich bitch motherfuckers in the state. They are sucking MORE out of you than the poor EVER have. Fuck, this is NOT rocket science! You take the money from those who HAVE it, not those who don’t.

    Wisconsin, get it together. Those of you who were marching should have been rushing the offices of the IDIOTS who want this piece of shit to pass, and TRASHED THEM. And in fact, TRASH THE IDIOTS TOO. Let them know that it’s THEIR asses that will be on the line here. Take your state BACK from these SCUM! Beat them senseless if you have to, but make these ASSHOLES act like human beings!

    Why ANYONE who isn’t in the top 2% would EVER vote for ANY republican is just beyond me. I have seen what they are all about, why the hell can’t the rest of you? Think these people are on YOUR side? Here is proof of just how much they think about YOU. Not worth much, is it? It’s certainly not worth your vote.

  • Anonymous

    Happy Day!!! Let it spread. Come on out people. Ohio is next.
    We will overcome!!!

  • Anonymous

    Union members represent 14% of the work force in America. Try again.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Where does your son go to school?

  • Anonymous

    Actually Sinclair Lewis said it first.

  • Anonymous

    Poor quality cars, and greedy management ruined Detroit, you moron.
    Reagan is dead, and his ideas are not far behind him.

  • Anonymous

    It is the grand scheme of the Rethug Party to privatize, privatize, privatize.
    That is what they are trying to do here.

  • Anonymous

    Citizens United is applicable to unions also. The point though is that unions don’t have the money that corporate america does. That money and its lawful use is extended to propaganda in the form of informational ads and other message oriented activities including hiring counter demonstrators etc.

    Also, unions don’t have a media empire run by their good friend Rupert Murdock to spew poison and made-up c**p to the great unwashed 24/7.

  • Anonymous

    Gee, why don’t the pols cut their own salaries and benefits first, before they steal from the working poor?

    Another way to cut budgets is for the mofo pols to keep their fraudulent claws out of the money.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Sinclair Lewis said “When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and wearing a cross.” Johnny Warbucks said “Fascism has come to Amerika, wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.” :)

  • Anonymous

    Need to spend our taxes wisely.

    Wisconsin
    Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $498,726,440.08
    ———————————————————————————–

    This money could have been spent instead to:
    Provide 6,056 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
    Provide 8,279 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
    Provide 14,746 children per year w/early reading education OR
    Provide 403,892 people per year w/primary health care.

    Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely by clicking here.
    http://www.aidtoIsrael.org

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Chris Hedges describes that process in the “Empire of Illusions.” People are beginning to wake up but it’s too late. Now, those of us who have seen this coming for years and labeled as nuts ain’t looking all that bad, eh? I have a Teabagger buddy who is now coming to me for advice. Ha ha! How’s that for wake the F up? I, too, describe it as Neo-Fascist although there are many other elements like imperialism, kleptocracy, autocracy, oligarchy, despotism, plutocracy, theocracy.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    He’s down at Georgia State University in Atlanta, GA

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I agree but it’s too late to save this republic.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Chris “business” is and has made RECORD profits for the last 30 years, wages on the other hand are flat! Look it up!

    Public employee wages in WI are NOT higher than SIMILAR private sector jobs. In reality they get LOWER take home pay and slighly higher benefits. The total of the two show that they are statistically the SAME.

    If want Mickey D’s handing out Drivers licenses then you have ZERIO comprehension of the job or the security issues involved?

    If you want faster service at the DMV then you will have to pay MORE. Just like Medicare Advantage the private sector would need a profit to provide the same service and that would add 30% to the cost of your license, registration and title. You want that or a FAIRLY compensated state employee?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Its a funny thing about slopes, you’re generally to busy looking down to keep your balance to see just how far you have slid! Maybe when we hit bittom we’ll quit talking about “the slope”

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    The lastest info on Kent State indicates that a govt. plant on the ground fired the first shots in the air that got the crowd moving and snipers jucies flowing!

    Typcial FBI inside job. Watch out Wisconsin!

  • Anonymous

    This is incorrect. Every German worker became a member of a national Arbeiterschaft. ALL of them worked for the glorious Vaterland!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    To LAZY and stoopind to vote!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    i’m sorry, but i don’t see the value in not voting. that’s giving up, and letting them know that you’re okay with the way things are. you’d be better off getting out and voting third party, and working for publicly financed campaigns and against incumbents. you don’t win fights by letting yourself get punched in the face.

  • cannotvote

    That shouldn’t be a deterrent, corporations just had the law re written to accommodate their position – it’s all about will and determination and a desire!

  • Guest

    Makes sense doesn’t it? Drive down public employee wages even more to shrink tax revenues even more. Squeeze and shrink needed public services even more. Throw even more people out of work to compete with the already unemployed. Shrink government so small you can drown it it a bathtub. Then privatize it and bring in the Mexicans, Chinese, and Indians.

    It’s the republican way. Or the Wall Street bankster way. Or the confederate plantation massah’ way…I’m so confused. It all sounds the same. But it’s still stupid and wrong.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Only 7% of the private workforce is union. Nearly 80% of the govt. work force is union!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SRHE4DGXV6AIXDSTVU75ONUTM Wendy

    This class war escalation is bad in a current sense for the workers but good in the long run for the prospects of massive mobilization and change in this country. Unfortunately, Americans need to be bitch-slapped hard and repeatedly before they get the mssg that it’s time to stand up and do something. Flagrant assaults on mass groups of public workers will piss people off and the fire will spread- eventually. I don’t wish this type of attack on anyone but it’s apparently inevitable now so let the games finally begin.

    (As an aside- just what exactly is this goon going to have the National Guard do if these people protest peacefully and/or hold peaceful walkouts? Hold guns to their heads and force them to return to work? It’s all about intimidation and I hope they don’t cave in to it.)

  • Anonymous

    You went to public school, right? Union teachers taught you this, right? Who cannot be fired, who mlest kids and they still can’t be fired, who are paid for years for not working while their cases are “considered,” and they sit in a room playing computer games and writing the Great American Novel.

    It’s their right to do what they please, I’m for liberty — but not with taxpayer money.

    Learn independently. It’ll amaze you what the truth is, and now with the internet it’s out there. Try mises(dot)org and lewrockwell(dot)com. Try freedom!

  • Anonymous

    Actually it was cheap Japanese Labor, Cheap Japanese cars imported without effective import tax’s and cheap Japanese steel subsidized by the Japanese government that was dumped on America (to build cars among other things) in the 80′s that killed both the auto industry and the steel industry.

    Corporate owners didn’t mind the cheap steel because in the short term it was profitable for them. When it became unprofitable they just took their profits and moved on leaving broken cities and workers in their wake.

    Guess which president that happened under. 80′s. Uh huh, Reagan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    because republicans are great at getting people fired up over bullshit issues like abortion, flag burning, ‘the constitution’, gay marriage, ‘traditional values’, etc, and then getting elected and screwing them. they are really great at that. they stay on message, speak as one bloc, and then laugh up their sleeves at these suckers. they are masters at demonizing, trivializing and ridiculing the opposition.
    it’s quite amazing to see what they get away with.

  • sobiggy

    this repub. gov. of wisconsin walker, is a fool.Not even Mubarak, of egypt. used the army against, the egyptian people protesting for him to step down. That is not what the national guard was make for. all types of workers, union members, cooks, policemen, firemen. etc. all make up the national guard.

  • Guest

    “Why ANYONE who isn’t in the top 2% would EVER vote for ANY republican is just beyond me.”

    They’re the products of underfunded public education.
    (I guess they’re not smart enough to figure out they’ll never be able to afford private education.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    but you can because people stole your pensions, lied to you about your loans, avoided responsibility for the loans they made, willingly lied about the value of your house, all with a wink and a nod from regulators.

    sorry, but i don’t buy into the ‘blame the victim’ mentality. these financial institutions are the professionals. they knew exactly what they were doing, how it would turn out, and that they would walk because of their lobbyists and political ties. americans were screwed six ways to sunday, with the help of our representatives.

  • Guest

    Why did you leave out the worst of the Supremes: Scalia and his sidekick Thomas?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    republicans hate collective bargaining because they hate anyone but themselves having sick pay, workplace safety rules, weekends, vacations, health care, overtime pay, pensions, decent wages, or child labor laws. they would willingly take us back to the days of charles dickens; work until you’re sick and unable to stand, sweep you out into the alley, and bring the next starving, desperate, uneducated serf in through the front to take your place. they can’t get away with slavery, so they support an illegal workforce because it’s the next best thing.

  • Anonymous

    Think your missing some zeros there. Your number is about $500 million. The actual number is $30 billion.

    Moreover our total defense budget is 20% of the federal budget about $500 billion per year. This amounts more than the total the rest of the world combined spends.

    Seems like plenty to cut there.

  • Guest

    Correct. But it was management execs and shareholders that decided to put out crap that “patriotic” Americans would buy. And buy. And buy every few years since they didn’t last long.

    The unions are not responsible for the bad, short-sighted decisions of management.

  • http://harry-canary.myopenid.com/ Harry Canary

    like you republifeces are any better. Then again if you set back and do nothing but discourage progressive voices then the republishit and the rich are empowered further.

  • Anonymous

    Are you nutz? Have you ever tried getting something at a fucking Best Buy, or how about Guitar Center? It’s a nightmare. Those poor bastards working there don’t know shit (it’s not their fault)? I’d much rather go into the DMV. Plus if the Gov places were funded and staffed properly they’d work much better.

  • http://harry-canary.myopenid.com/ Harry Canary

    You mean Heil Herr Commander in Chief Walker, Sir?

  • Guest

    Look on the bright side. It may be China that brings back American jobs. We know it certainly won’t be republicons.

    Chinese company eyes Boise

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/31/1472023/chinese-company-eyes-boise.html

  • Anonymous

    This has how it’s been since the dawn of civilization. The masses fighting against greater and greater concentration of wealth.

    At least in tribal communities the chief couldn’t even handle more than four or five wives.

  • Anonymous

    Overflowing with with envy, anger, hostility, and hatred reign supreme, complete with sputtering vulgarity, you defend — no, you WORSHIP the powers of the state.

    We who oppose the Leviathan know that the likes of you want political power to work out your hatred and pride. It’s the temptation of Satan. Be my guest, on your own time and money, but your rant is the perfect argument for shutting down government and letting freedom ring.

  • Anonymous

    These poor dumb bastards I can’t believe it; getting fucked up the ass and then thanking their master for doing it. And then complain when somebody actually has the temerity to try and get a pension? Do these poor dumb brainwashed bastards think the ploutcrats work…at all? Their whole life is a pension that we pay for.

  • Anonymous

    To which political party and its candidates did their union and its national affiliates contribute?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and as the NEA’s general counsel said in Chicago last year, at his retirement, the unionized government school workers (once known a teachers) are in it for themselves, not for their pupils and students and families and taxpayers.

  • Guest

    Yes, Free-market is republicon and rejects regulation and law.
    Unions are democratic and legal contract-based.

  • Guest

    Hey genius. Did you ever consider that teachers are tax-payers too?

    Didn’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    Both parties have been corrupted, Dave, by power or money. We have to shut their water off and then empty the trough.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, since the late 1950s, the greedy management and the greedy unions winked across the “negotiating” table at each other because the Big Three was the only game in town. Once real competition set in, cars got better and Detroit’s couldn’t compete. GM was the best stock to own 50 years ago.

  • Anonymous

    But virtually all the growth in unions is in monopoly government jobs. There, they reign supreme, and they fleece the taxpayer and ignore elected officials, whom the bureaucrats treat like political appointees.

  • Guest

    The reason they watch Fox is because they can’t think. They enjoy the camaraderie of angry circle-jerk emoting though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKTCM2DCWPVUXEKN5G5QNTBJNQ Dustin A

    First off as someone who’s fought at the highest levels in the world, sometimes pulling a Rocky and taking the blows does more damage than actually fighting back (it’s a mental game, and breaking the spirit of your opponent has greater impacts than breaking a bone or two). Of course this is a temporary practice and not indicative of the whole fight, but sometimes it’s about taking a punch and smiling afterwards; “you can’t hurt me” attitude.

    But why vote right now? I understand that change can only come through the polls… but if we can get it to the point where 10-20% of eligible voters actually do so, then that in itself is a vote. The legitimacy of a government is determined by the people — The Sovereign — which is severely undermined when the majority of a population doesn’t vote. Of course that’s not enough, there has to be daily protests, demands for systematic change, and an entirely new approach to “civil disobedience”. Eventually voting will be a must, but under today’s parameters it’s a useless endeavor that does nothing but propagate the same follies we’ve practiced for 40 years. When the machinery is faulty, it’s time for new cogs to be set in place.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Ok you keyboard liberals now it the time to put up or shut up. Reschedule your spring break plans and head to Wisconsin. It’s time to put your money, time and effort on the “front line” in the class war!

    What better education experience could you give your children than participating in a peaceful march to defend CONTRACTUAL rights? Funny isn’t that the GOP is all for law and order and contracts except when it comes to paying fair wages and benefits.

    Turn the RV North and skip Yellow Stone or the Grand Canyon and give your family a uniquely American experience, one that has not been seen for 40 years. Show them that marching for change is not something people if foreign countries do but something that is a RIGHT of all FREE people.

    If I had the money I would take my two kids and give them an education that they could not (hopefully) get anywhere else.

  • Guest

    Oh my. Where are you from chisinva? Government is not business. Government is representative by our democratic process. Has nothing to do with profits. In fact government is responsible for regulating commerce – the opposite of “free-market”. Government is responsible for a lot of things regardless of money and profits. Have you ever read the Preamble to our Constitution? It explicitly states the purpose and authority of our representative government.

    The last time we had a monopoly in government was between 2000 and 2006. How’s that working out?

    By the way, business expenses – including employees – is tax-deductible and passed along to the customer. Whether your business succeeds or fails is your responsibility. Don’t be a free-loader on public services.

  • Anonymous

    So what? Does that qualify them to have June, July, and August off, retire at 55, and have hefty lifelong pensions and benefits at the expense of the taxpayer? Why not let them enjoy Social Security and Medicare like the rest of humanity?

    Your logic would exempt the banksters, who “pay taxes” too. Look beyond that to the facts, not the distractions. The taxpayers (who are actually a minority of the working public these days) are getting screwed – BUT — that’s not all: the poor and those on fixed incomes are too, because the government lies about inflation (it’s skyrocketing: SS recipients get zero Cost of living hike this year, while government teachers in our poor rural area want 3% bonuses!)

    In our state, you can’t fire the incompetent teachers in government schools, you have to fire the new ones if at all — seniority rules, as does incompetence (which is why US public schools is somewhere around #29 in the world in Math and science).

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Because many of the RAW readers aren’t old enough to remember who appointed them…JK.

  • Anonymous

    That $500 million is Wisconsin’s share at least thats how read that link. You are right though about “plenty to cut”.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    So how LOW do you want wages & benefits to be in this country?

  • Anonymous

    Funny how you oppose the leviathan but you trust big business with everything, your rights included. You prove with EVERY post that it’s YOU who understands NOTHING. Business has ONE thing in mind, MONEY. PERIOD. If you think that these corporations can be trusted to do ANYTHING that doesn’t increase their bottom line, you are a COMPLETE idiot and fool. And I’ve got one word for you: Bhopal. Or maybe a few words, like Prince William Sound. or the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, business can DEFINITELY be trusted to do the right thing.

    You are so uninformed, it’s GOT to come from Faux and Limbaugh. And you’re not only uninformed, you’re steadfastly determined to STAY that way. You fight against yourself with every post you make. Do you REALLY think that you stand a freaking chance as an individual against the corporate world? Do you REALLY think they will give you a fair shot without being FORCED to? How much Anarchy do you think is an acceptable trade off for those cheap Chinese things you get so cheaply?

    I do not worship gov’t, nor do I kiss the ass of big business (like you apparently do). And I don’t see Satan in everything that I don’t like. You are an idiot. You fight against your own life, your own future, and the future of your country. And no matter how much people show you how wrong you are, you refuse to understand or even try to see it. You insist that those with too much money can be trusted to be anything OTHER than greedy, selfish pigs. Where is your evidence for that? I’ve got a humanity’s worth of proof, what have YOU got?

    Kiss businesses ass all you want, but don’t be surprised when all you get for it is sore lips. And they will charge you TRIPLE for the chap stick. Stop being an idiot. It’s really annoying to have to call you an American.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Me, Rethuglican? Muaaa haaa…

    And that’d be one more thing y’all reich and left, Rethuglican and Demorat have in common: your partisan fanaticism and inherent stupidity.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I ain’t tellin’ ya not to vote, son. You can vote to your heart’s content. Till the cows come home. It won’t do you any good but you can do it. Won’t be me who stops ya from your little mental masturbation.

  • Guest

    You are exactly correct. Not voting is the self-indulgent lazy way out of representative democracy. But it sure feels good to cry and whine and blame everyone else when life doesn’t magically unfold at your feet. Right-wingers encourage working people and poor not to bother voting. They can’t win otherwise.

    Good thing most of the FDR generation didn’t wimp-out and kept voting, or Johnny W wouldn’t have the luxury of crying and whining now.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Sure, but you were too busy shopping at the mall, drinking Bud Light in a can and watching American Idol while that was happening. Y’all got nobody but yourselves to blame.

    I ain’t blaming the “victim” cause the victimhood complex is self-inflicted. If a bunch of us could see this coming and tried to warn y’all about it and y’all were too stupid, too cut up in the shopping/buying frenzy and chastised us as nuts so that you could blindly continue with the orgy, you don’t deserve any pity, not from me anyway. Still today, there are fools on here that will chew my ass out for pointing to the obvious and threatening their mental masturbation – whatever that may be. You people have looked the other way and allowed your government to invade, loot, pillage, kill, maim with your money and in your name for way too long simply because it seemed that it didn’t affect you. Now, it’s payback time. Now, they’re doing to do what they’ve been doing to others for hundreds of years. It’s called blowback. Tighten up your belts and take it like a man, now, just the way you’ve been giving it to others. Again, won’t find any sympathy from me, mostly, cause you don’t deserve it.

  • Guest

    Exactly. And now the dine-and-dash republicans are demanding that everyone else tighten their belts.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Everyone else meaning the working class not the elites or the corporations or the MIC, of course.

  • Anonymous

    Gotcha. Thanx.

  • Guest

    The owners? We are the owners. We just haven’t been making ourselves heard. It’s hard to compete with mass media punks and bullies like Rush and faux news. But our rights are ours – not anyone else’s to take from us. They are ours to protect and use wisely.

    This ain’t the plantation, and grifters ain’t our massahs.

  • Guest

    Unions are free citizens who have the right to freely associate and assemble.
    Corporations are creations granted by the state.
    It is our right and our government’s responsibility to protect our citizens from malfeasance of corporations through regulation, and petitioning government to recoup losses for damage and harm.
    Corporations are private feudal entities.

  • ladyblug

    That’s why it is so important to take on Campaign Finance Reform. Because if we don’t take the $ out of the game, we will continue with the oligarcic/plutocratic bs we have for a government now! If Egypt can do it, so MUST WE!

  • Anonymous

    Well, as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson, your mistakes are instructive.

    “Big Business” is firmly in bed with big government, which has brought on the fascism you describe. It is bipartisan. Fannie May/Sallie Mae paid a BILLION dollars to lobbyists so they could keep their real estate bubble going (most of the guilty there were democrats, but most of the Pentagon Supplier Guilty are Republicans, so the blame is bipartisan).

    Both parties have married the idea of Big Government – and now it’s the Leviathan, and neither one can break the spell.

    As to money, I don’t think I have a right to yours, even if the government gets it for me, however rich you are. I think it’s immoral, even if it is “legal.” That’s called Legal Positivism, and I agree with Martin Luther King and George Mason that there is a Higher Law to which our own laws must conform, or they are illegitimate.

    Since Aristotle, politicians have understood that people will choose order (security) over liberty when faced with a stark choice. There have been few happy exceptions to that rule, one of them our own War of Independence. But the Leviathan government insists that they must violate one after another of our rights to keep us “safe,” all the while piling millions, even billions, into the pockets of their big business, big union, and big security, big lobby, and big defense financiers. Can individuals beat them? We cannot tell the future. But their scam cannot last, as Ron Paul says, it will collapse, and then we have to be prepared as individuals to be self-reliant and self-sustaining in a chaotic and uncertain world, whatever our political opinions were during the waning days of civilization.

  • ladyblug

    And what are you- GOD?

  • Anonymous

    Most private schools (that is, religious schools) are cheaper than public schools. Unfortunately, parental choice costs extra thousands of after-tax dollars a year because of the taxpayer-funded government school monopoly.

  • Guest

    “they even have Dumbocrats believing that unions are the source of all our problems, ”

    Yes, those Democrats in the “right to work” states. (Primarily the confederate states.)

  • Anonymous

    It is almost trite to observe that the Preamble to the Constitution states that it is written “to PROMOTE” the general welfare, not to PROVIDE it. The founders firmly believed that the best way to promote it was to prevent the most imposing threat to the general welfare, which was not some foreign monster but illegitimate and overweening government power.

    They understood that the lust for power is much more compelling a vice than greed. Benjamin Rush and John Adams discussed it at length, see libertyfund.org for their dialogs and many other brilliant writings from the period, pro-constitution and contra.

  • Guest

    An entitlement is a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract. Working people and some sole-ownership businesses (like myself in previous years) have never renigged on our side of the contract. We’ve dutifully funded premiums with every paycheck or quarterly estimate. We are entitled to what is due us.

  • AnzaSummer

    I fear the deployment of the National Guard. I hope the Guardsmen keep in mind that many of them are union members and some have family and friends who belong to unions, when the Governor issues his orders. I’m afraid of a repeat of the Bay View Tragedy of May 1, 1886, in Rolling Mills, WI when the governor called in the state militia and seven workers were killed. Or the Lattimer Massacre of 9/10/1897, or the The Anthracite Coal Strike of 10/12/1902, or on 4/18/1912 when the National Guard was called out against striking West Virginia coal miners, or the Ludlow Massacre of 04/20/1914, or the Everett Massacre of Nov. 1916. I could go on but what’s the point? If it doesn’t stop here it’ll spread and all those who gave their lives before us will have died in vain. And ALL workers in this country can count on a return to a Dickensian existance.

  • Anonymous

    The average new business in Virginia folds in 18 months. It is a risk to found a business. Profits are not guaranteed, they have to be earned in the competitive marketplace. Even GM proved that, since it was the best stock to own in 1960.

    The government is not more efficient than the private sector, far from it. There is no incentive to compete. Go to your nearest federal facility and ask employees what their goals are, what their concerns are. Multitudes of them hate their job, can’t wait to retire (at 55, with bountiful benefits unmatched virtually anywhere in the private sector), and over the years have acquired a disdain for the taxpaying public.

    Ask them how many of their coworkers actually work even two out of eight hours a day.

    Go to a government office where there is a line at 4:30. The clerk announces, “I’m leaving at five, don’t bother waiting.”

    A private business? If someone wants my product at 6:01, I’ll stay open til 8 if I have to to make the sale.

    That’s service, that’s competition, that’s freedom. Proof? Thank God government did not assume monopoly power over manufacturing computers! That jerk at NASA who forgot to convert inches into millimeters on the Mars mission some years ago wasn’t even fired — and he/she (they would never reveal the name) had wasted $270 MILLION of your dollars and mine!

    Yes, private businesses make big mistakes too – and they fold, unless they run to the government like Boeing did, even bribe government employees like Boeing did, just to keep the party going. Get real, it’s a ripoff and we have to empty the trough — from the OUTSIDE!

  • ladyblug

    Then we need to RE-MAKE it

  • Anonymous

    False headline. It while the union contingent was a strong part of the rally, and they organized it, I think, it was a general outpouring of citizens. I was there. I’m not in a union, I’m not a state worker.

  • CozmicSeer

    This governor acts like a total dick-tator. The people of Wisconsin really need to recall him immediately and remove him from office. He is unfit for any public service except cleaning latrines and urinals. And he should receive minimum wage if he does but no benefits.
    If they are having budget problems, there are far better and more cooperative ways to resolve them. This sure as hell isn’t one of them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKTCM2DCWPVUXEKN5G5QNTBJNQ Dustin A

    Most certainly agree. The Citizens United decision was one of the worst, most detrimental cases (unofficial pieces of legislation) this country has ever dealt with. It went from a shadow oligarchy to a blatantly unabated oligarchical plutocracy.

  • Guest

    Johnny I think these neo-fascists are the same as the original fascists: corporatists. As I indicated in another post, corporations are private feudal systems. Corporations are a holdover from the era of monarchy-government and colonialism.

    The funny thing about the Tea-Partiers – the original colonialists were rebelling against the British monarchy’s East India Trading Company (a global corporation). They were not rebelling against government. We had no U.S. government at that time. The revolution is what brought about our self-governance.

    But hey, government-hating sounds good to Rush, Fox and friends.

  • Anonymous

    Right, that’s why the endless culture war and peripheral issues (and now race) are useful to keep in play and why a population under economic assault is easy to put one over on; they have too much to worry about that every incremental and often nuanced tightening of the screws is implemented.

  • yvonneo

    But what’s even more amazing are the number of voters that continue to buy into the repukes con over and over again. The republican leadership are the foot soldiers of the plutocrats and the plutocrats have declared war on the American people. So a vote for the republicans is a vote for the plutocrats–and they have revealed themselves to be the enemy of the people. The American people must focus their attention on going after the plutocrats and those who aid and abet them.

  • yvonneo

    Workers in the private sector should also throw their full support behind their Union brothers and sisters in this fight to retain worker rights. The benefits and wages that the laborers in the private sector have enjoyed throughout the years is a direct result of the efforts of the Unions. The Unions forced the private sector to compete with them in order to keep their employees contented enough to not seek unionization. If the plutocrats are successful in their greedy quest to break the Unions, they will be free of any constraints and the private sector employee will find him/herself working for slave wages with no benefits–no vacation time, sick leave, overtime pay–nothing–they will be literally at the mercy of their employers (their new overlords).

  • ladyblug

    Where did you go to school, your basement?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, here are so many ‘ism’s’ and ‘racy’s’ going on simultaneously you don’t even know what to call it anymore :-) The New Feudalism?

    I like your avatar BTW.

  • Guest

    “living in the Richest country in the world OR being among the Richest in their country, they’ll take the latter every time.”

    Yeah, that’s the odd thing. The rich in socialist democracies want to be rich in a rich country. But I guess being uber-rich is not enough for America’s have-mores. They want it all.

  • ladyblug

    WOW

  • ladyblug

    I wish I could have written that.

  • Guest

    Yes, we all pay for. The public employees pensions were taken out of their paychecks for retirement and much of it went up in smoke like everyone else’s because states and municipalities invested much of the money with the same swindling Wall Street gamblers. But gee, let’s blame them for the swindle and re-nig on contracts.

    So much for “rule of law”.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, I’m not going to argue those statistics because I wouldn’t doubt that they are correct at probably he State level. At the Federal level the figure is lower though. I suspect that working in the ‘belly of the beast’ as it were, the government workers realized early on just how capricious and destructive the government can be to anyone, especially its workforce, unless it is dealing with organized and enlightened resistance. It’s self preservation.

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about money. We literally have the best government money can buy. “Best” for the people doing the buying, that is.

    If the Washington Mall were pack with a crowd as large as Obama’s Inauguration crowd was and it stayed packed for weeks maybe Congress and the President would take some notice but short of that, it’s al about money.

  • Guest

    Compete with what?! Feudalism? Your’e just not getting it – intentionally I think.

    Government is not business. It serves it’s citizenry by the consent of the governed. It creates a social (read the preamble!) climate and infrastructure for businesses to form and hopefully flourish. Congress has a constitutional duty to regulate commerce to protect citizens and legitimate business. Look it up! States have authority to create their own laws in compliance with existing federal laws. States have broad authority here.

    Go set up business in Somalia and see how well it does. I’ll bet those “taxes” are a lot higher. And no pesky regulations and laws to worry about. In fact no government at all. Good luck, but don’t call Americans – public or private sector – to rescue you when things don’t work out. Our publicly funded military – and ourselves – are tired of bailing out those with grandiose ideas.

  • Guest

    “GM proved that, since it was the best stock to own in 1960.”

    GM used union labor in 1960.

  • WitsEnd66

    Yes, free of home, food, heat. You really are naive. I would rather trust the government than the corporation. Unlike you, not all of us wish to be serfs. If you choose to join the race to the bottom, move to China and work for your $1-2 dollars a day, drink bad water and breathe air. Let us know how it works out for you.

  • Guest

    I don’t live in Virginia, but I don’t think it’s public employees (tax-payers too) are what the framers of our constitution had in mind as a threat to our democratic self-governance.
    Don’t be trite in playing semantics with wording in our preamble to suggest “promote” doesn’t mean “provide”. How lame. Garbage right-wing talking points that mean nothing, but sure cause angst among followers.
    In case you haven’t noticed, global corporations are the biggest threat to our sovereignty and self-governance at the moment. Not public or private unions.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure you could have, I just got to it first.

  • Anonymous

    The funny thing is that we are really closer to what Ron Paul wants than he will ever admit. We have less regulations, less interference and less control over business than at any time since the years just before the great depression, and the results are exactly the same as they were then. Funny how Mr Paul doesn’t seem to notice that. In fact, he thinks that we have to allow even MORE irresponsible behavior from business and let things get even worse for the average person before he will be happy. I really have to wonder about his sanity, sometimes, though I do respect his consistency. What do you think the results of his policies would REALLY be? They certainly wouldn’t be the Nirvana that he thinks it would be.

    As to money in politics, it’s obvious that both parties are sold to the big money, and that is the fault of those who seem to think that money and speech are the same thing. Citizens United was activist judicial activity if there ever was such a thing, and it’s funny how the right seems to just ignore that as well. I’ve typed out my own public financing plan enough times to be tired of doing it, but it would remove ALL private money from elections. Until that is done, none of us has a chance against anyone. And it’ll all just be more divide and conquer games like it has been for the last 30 years. What a shame that so many people will never see who their REAL enemies are, and that it’s their “leaders”, who are robbing them blind and laughing all the way to the Swiss bank.

  • Anonymous

    I prefer to call it “piratizing”, which I think is more accurate.

  • Guest

    Agree that the tax-payers are getting screwed, even those public employees who’ve left or forgone private sector careers to work in public service. Yes, the figures for retirees are fudged. That’s nothing new.

    The banksters got rescued by working and retired tax payers – public and private. No they don’t pay taxes when they can off-shore and get away with it. Or lobby congressional candidates, whose campaigns they’ve funded, to create big loopholes and shift costs to middle-class workers and small businesses.

    Those same tax-payers – public and private – that bailed them out sure took a wallop in their 401ks and 403bs though when the gamblers crashed the stock market.

    Sorry to hear teachers in your community or state are so lazy and incompetent. Those in my state are dedicated and hard working, but it’s hard for them too with shrinking budgets, cut-backs and growing classroom size. Thank goodness more parents understand their plight and are actually getting involved in their children’s education. Some parents even volunteer to help with extracurricular activities. What better way to spend your time when you join the ranks of the unemployed?

  • Anonymous

    OK, Humpty Dumpty, words get to mean whatever you want them to mean. If the government is the great provider, who needs to provide (not promote) for his own wife and children?

    Confucius: to restore order in a collapsed society, the first task is to restore the proper meaning of words.

    It ain’t semantics: words represent reality, not the whim of the beholder.

  • Guest

    Depends on which union they belonged to and whether or not candidates supported their interests – not illegal, even for tax-payers in the public sector.

    I suspect you may not realize that the high unemployment rate, caused by Wall Street malfeasance, is one of the biggest causes of private, small sector jobs and business loss, due to shrinking state revenues and budgets.

    Many administrative positions in public service are non-union contract-based and don’t even begin to match their peers’ salaries and perks in the private sector. But the majority of those private sector CEOs went to publicly funded universities to build lucrative careers and businesses. And many give back to their communities through grants, donations (tax-deductible) and foundations. So I don’t want to disparage those rich folks that do appreciate public services and give back in meaningful ways.

  • Anonymous

    The malfeasance was not only Wall Street’s — witness how many campaign contributions WS made to both political parties to let them keep the party going.

    Your last paragraph underscores the importance of voluntary charity, which I strongly support over the government kind. After all, the government can give us anything it hasn’t already taken away (through taxes or currency printing/inflation).

    The critical ingredient for success of charity is that NOBODY GETS PAID. Volunteering is the magic sauce that makes it work. Mother Teresa, who helped the poorest of the poor, made it clear that her sisters were a far cry from social workers.

  • Ignatzfattis

    Money knows no loyalty to country or countryman. For the Rich, this has always been just a place to make a buck. If the place goes under because of their greed, so be it -they’ll go somewhere else.

  • Mac and Sandy

    No actually I did not go to a public school 
    I went  to a private college school and then a public high school in a poor town
    where the teachers were non union ….

    I’ve worked at non union jobs all my life  – but I the reason my jobs were
    better is because there were union workers along the way…

    I don’t want to see the working conditions go back to the days of the “MAN”
    making all the decisions.

    Just my opinions.

  • Mac and Sandy

    No actually I did not go to a public school

    I went to a private college school where students were selected from the “poor” side of town and then a public high school where the teachers were non union ….

    I lived on the “poor”side of town across the rail road tracks until I could get through college and into a professional job.

    I’ve worked at non union jobs all my life – but the reason my jobs were better is because there were union workers along the way…when union workers ask for better , safer conditions and to have a say in the corporate culture it makes non union jobs better too….so instead of sinking to the lowest common denominator union jobs bring everyone up to better conditions.

    I don’t want to see the working conditions go back to the days of the corporation is making all the decisions on the backs of the workers just because they say so.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    and your solution is……….

  • Guest

    I mostly agree with you regarding charity. It should be offered freely without strings. Yes, volunteerism is what can make the difference in the lives of the less fortunate. Unfortunately women’s (and seniors’) charity was not only taken for granted pre-Women’s Lib Movement, but was also expected. Women had little fair economic opportunity. Corporations exploited this for their own personal gain.

    What government (us) attempts to provide for it’s least able citizens is more than charity. It is the proper function of a citizen-elected government in the richest country in the world. Don’t blame the old, poor or public unions and administrators for the increasing disparity in incomes that we are spiraling downward into. Americans determined this spirit of fairness long ago, and few have the patience to refight that battle unless we are forced to.

    But an important point I want to make is that federal tax laws are written to encourage anyone to contribute financially to legitimate charities and organizations anywhere. It is what helps money circulate and create “a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility … promote the general welfare”. Money that does not circulate has little value if it is not functioning for the benefit of our society and generating wealth for communities, businesses and individuals. It must be “liquid” and flowing. Hoarding money – as the banksters and corporatists are doing – only leads to the horrible conditions we have today. They are doing this intentionally to drive down wages and destroy the middle-class permanently. If you know much about the Depression, we don’t want to revisit that. We don’t want to become like India and rely on the charity of wonderful women like Mother Teresa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    you seem to be an expert at making assumptions about people about whom you know absolutely nothing. f.y.i., i live in house that’s been paid off for 10 years, have no credit card debt, and work hard at supporting my representative, (george miller) who was one of the few people to stand up to bush and his bullshit, and with whom i agree on most issues. i don’t drink at all, let alone bud lite, don’t shop at malls, and don’t know anything about american idol. i was a very successful professional musician with a slew of books, videos and c.d.s to my credit, and toured the world from eighteen to thirty as a sideman in several top bands. i am now semi retired, teach guitar two days a week because i like it, shoot hoops every day, and surf weekly. i am also a full time dad of an awesome 4 year old boy, with whom i get to spend hours a day with, and do music programs at his day care. my wife is a former professional dancer who was a principal dancer with three major dance companies, and now runs a local dance company. but you already knew all that, because you know everything.

    my vote counts, as do my efforts. you can justify not participating in your representative democracy, and make inane statements, like, ‘it’s all fixed’, but in reality you’re just another lazy whiner. but, you know everything, so you already knew that.

  • Anonymous

    My question was along the lines of the correspondents here who insist I listen to Rush and Faux news (neither is true). We pay twice too – once to the county schools (taxes) and once for the non-public homeschool coop. Actually, there are a lot of homeschoolers here, saving the county millions of dollars a year (at their spending rate of ~10,000 per pupil).

    The hardest task in county government is to pass merit pay for teachers, and to circumvent union seniority rules so that the most effective teachers can be rewarded and promoted, regardless of their “time in service.” There’s simply a lot of deadwood, but these grade-school teachers all seem to think they’re university professors with tenure or something.

    I worked in unions shops myself, going through school, and my coworkers were great, the shop stewards a little menacing (“don’t work so hard, you make us look bad”), an the weekly union newspaper a vile rag that sounded like Leon Trotsky. The founder of the company – pretty big by that time, hundreds of employees — was an eighth-grade dropout, a great old guy, the classic self-made man, who just didn’t fit the national union’s view of CEO’s as vermin who suck the blood from the proletariat for breakfast.

    I’ve had a long-abiding proposal: once in Washington they announced that there was a fire in the building that hired the Department of Education. A friend there called me and said, “all non-essential personnel have had to be evacuated. How can we fire them?”

    My proposal: keep only the truly essential personnel. Same withthe programs and the budget line items.

    Country’ll grow.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    sorry bro, but it’s hard for me to believe you ‘fought at the highest levels in the world’ when you use ‘rocky’, a fictional character played by an actor, as an example. especially since stallone based his character on chuck wepner, no ones idea of a boxing icon. no one wins by taking shots. just ask jerry quarry or chuck liddel.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I believe in **savings** (even tho the government makes it hard, with inflation lowering interest rates to near zero because they want consumption like Brave New World). “Hoarding” I hope is not synonymous.

    A lot of companies are furtive about spending because they have no clue what the government is going to do.

    About the charity deduction: since 1996, the number of nonprofits has more than doubled in the US — and a majority of the new ones get a majority of their funding from — government. That is distressing, since charity is by definition voluntary — “mandatory charity” is an oxymoron.

  • Guest

    I wish I could triple “Liked” you.
    Absolutely 100% correct.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    And if private schools had to take everybody including “challenged students” their “results” would be no different and COSTS the SAME as most, not all, public schools. There is no free lunch in the education business just demographic skimming.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKTCM2DCWPVUXEKN5G5QNTBJNQ Dustin A

    Well I made my first US National Team in Taekwondo at 16, which subsequently was a berth to the World Championships where I lost a tie to Iran in the round of 8 (due to us invading Iraq a year prior, we were quite an unpopular country with the rest of the world at the time) after advancing past my first three fights. I’ve been a national champion multiple times, as well as made a few Pan American National Teams. If I didn’t care about a career and following a path of societal change, I’d be training right now for 2012 Olympic Trials (that and after 12 years of competing internationally the body begins to wear down). I fought World Champions and Olympians on a weekly basis. So yeah, pretty sure I’ve fought at and with the best in the world…

    Rocky is easily recognizable, and therefore easily understood by the masses; I never assume whoever I’m speaking with has vast amounts of knowledge in a subject, therefore I make general statements over specifics. If you’d like, I could throw in how Anderson Silva has used this tactic in several fights to deflate opponents’ hype and confidence… I believe the Forest Griffin fight was a classic example, with the Ali-styled bobbing and weaving while taunting without physical action. Every GOOD fighter knows that it’s a mind game, especially at a level where many people have similar physical tools and abilities.

  • yvonneo

    According to this article, the budget crisis that Walker is using to justify his actions in this matter is complete bullshit!

    “In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will e nd the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

    To the extent that there is an imbalance — Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit — it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes — or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues — the “crisis” would not exist.”

    “The Fiscal Bureau memo — which readers can access at http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf — makes it clear that Walker did not inherit a budget that required a repair bill.”

    “Unfortunately, Walker has a political agenda that relies on the fantasy that Wisconsin is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.”

    http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html?nstrack=sid:321943

    This is what the republican party in general is up to–they’re going to attempt to create the illusion that states across the nation are on the brink of bankruptcy; and their purpose for doing this will be, among others things, to eliminate all Unions. Beware of the teabaggers/republicans–they’re a sleezy, slimy bunch of mofos.

  • Taleisin

    The American colony was built convict and slave labor. If the first US government had implemented the ideals it espoused, there would have been no civil war over slavery. The government has always been about supporting business and profit, not the freedoms of the people.

    In the 1930s, striking workers were machine gunned by police. Raygun’s legacy is becoming clearer, no doubt, but the American dream has always been about money and the freedom to get rich.

  • Taleisin

    You mean the masses increasingly oppressed by greater concentration of wealth.
    I think the tribal community is the ideal human society but we are exceptional breeders. As the population increases so does the concentration of power. And the more ruthless that power becomes.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure if you type “Thom Hartmann Marks letter” you will find the link. If not, I will check back and help you. I just passed this along after hearing Thom read it yesterday. I was driving when it was read and it was hard to drive.

  • Anonymous

    “”They got somebody,” an observer says. “Kill him!” at least two male voices repeatedly shout, followed by sounds of a struggle and a female voice yelling, “Whack that [expletive]!” or “Hit that [expletive]!” Four distinct shots matching the acoustic signature of a .38-caliber revolver then ring out, according to a review by New Jersey forensic audio expert Stuart Allen.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    well dustin, although i admire and respect your accomplishments in tae kwon do, with all due respect, and not to stray too far afield here, i’ve never seen anderson silva let himself take unnecessary punishment to prove a point. in the griffin fight, i saw him down griffin three times before finishing him with a shot while backing up without having taken a prior blow, all in the first round, break rich franklin’s face in the first round, catch jame’s irvin’s first kick and kayo him with a single right hand barely 1 minute into the fight, and kayo belfort 3 minutes into the first. hardly ‘rocky’. while fighting is indeed a mind game, you win by hitting and not getting hit.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    All that has become crystal clear. The corporations were kept at bay for a while but the cat is out of the bag now. Are you following the protests in Wisconsin?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I’m incredibly happy for you. In fact, I think I’m going to have a drink in your honor now. Here’s looking at you!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You’re asking me? The guy who seem to be an expert at making assumptions about people about whom you know absolutely nothing.(sic)? Surely, you jest.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yep. It’s the same little bunch of pricks who continue to recycle themselves vis-a-vis their offsprings. They may also move from country to country to fool those who aren’t paying attention but it’s the same cabal at the end of the day. Remember how, at one point there were so many decades of uninterrupted US rule of Bush and Clinton? Gawd! And she’s still at it.

    Logic evades the reich wing.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    As a matter of fact, I am god. What gave me away?

  • ladyblug

    Your holier than thou attitude!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Aaaah, yes. I am good. Aren’t I?

  • Taleisin

    I haven’t heard about the protests. I don’t watch much TV news, too many ads. I have just turned on PBS newshour. Bahrain is headlining. Scores of people are missing. Raw Story went silly on my computer so I am a few days behind in how that is all going. How do you think it is going?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    No, mate, state teevee won’t show you anything. You have to look elsewhere. Maybe your own press will cover it. Today, they’ve got over 30,000 protesters on the street. They shut down the Capitol and the cops are hunting down the Dems. The whole thing is getting ugly. I also heard that there are similar protests springing up in Ohio and Tennessee but haven’t been able to verify it yet. The NYT, the official ragtag of the corporate government is mum. Here’s a little something that I found buried in the headlines:

    Wis. police hunt Dem. leader, protests continue

    http://tinyurl.com/499r9ty

  • Anonymous

    I wish these articles would mention the fact that the short fall of the budget was caused by the Governor himself who added 140 million to the budget in January that were awarded to cronies of his.

  • Taleisin

    Thank you Denny. And thank you Mark. Where ever you are, many hearts are with you.

  • Taleisin

    The end is nigh! This is incredible. One political party wanting to jail the other political party.
    This will go federal when the Republicans get the White House again. You are so screwed.

  • Taleisin

    Rights have nothing to do with it.
    This is about what THEY can get away with and what they can’t get away with, yet

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Exactly! I’ve been saying that for years. They’ve been squeezing us out a little a time for decades now and, rather than fight back, we’ve allowed them so they keep coming back taking more and more and the more we let them, the more they take. And that’s where we are today, there’s nothing left to take as those people in Wisconsin have just found out. All of this could have easily been corrected as it was happening instead of allowing to get to this point. These people are psychopaths and this is how they operate. If you don’t stop him on time, they grow and spread like a cancer and kill everything in their path.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    It’s a civilian coup d’etat is what it is. And wait till the presidential election (if we even make it that fact). That will be the official take over. Look at how they’re doing it. This one will scare you even more:

    John Boehner increases chance of government shutdown

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49734.html

  • Taleisin

    Napoleon stated that he who is more brutal, wins. The Dems are civilized, they lose. The only way to win against this republican brutality is to be more brutal yourself. This is why civilization loses to the barbarians every time.
    We had to be more brutal that the Nazis. The Japs were barbaric when the Aussies met them in the jungles of SE Asia. How brutal so you think the Aussie got in order to defeat them later in New Guinea?
    Either you become worse than them or you go under the boot. It is your choice. But remember they are very practiced, and have a nasty headspace you don’t want to live in. There is also Gandhi’s way.

    This madness is a mental disease and it has been around a long time. http://disq.us/16dlej

  • Taleisin

    Yes it is, isn’t it. It’s a fucking revolution.
    But I said was bound to happen.
    I suggest a team including Wesley Snipes, Densel Washington, Bruce Willis, Mark Walhburg etc all get this sorted.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Well, it’s not a revolution yet. Just some localized discontent. I’m hoping it will catch and spread.

    And, oops, no Wesley Snipes. He’s in jail for tax evasion. Unless he manages to stage his own revolution inside the clinker.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Oh, yeah. They’re psychopaths for sure. Remember, they’re nothing more than recycled Nazis.

  • Taleisin

    A coup is a bad revolution. But it might kick off a good one.

    If only Wesley had earned an Oscar this would never have happened. Still, he deserves jail time for ‘Art of War II’ lol.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Hmmm…I never thought of a coup as a bad revolution but, then again, stranger things are happening these days.

    And you can always call on Chuck Norris. He’s available. And the darling actor hero of the reich wing. No offense to real actors. he he…

  • Taleisin

    It’s a definition thing. I am glad you don’t get fucked up by words, like some do.
    Revolutions mean great and swift changes in the cycle. Conservatism opposes this and prefers slow and civilized change. Why do the repukes call themselves conservatives? Or do they mean it like the Ayatollah was conservative, rather than extemely radical.

    I preferred Chuck when he was only a joke.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I ain’t Amerikan, remember? I don’t confuse easily, particularly, not by words. :)

    They’re CONservatives. I think it fits them well cause that’s what they are CONS. They’ve certainly conned the nation and half the world.

    I can’t stand him. He’s one of those who gets worse and more stupid by the day.

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