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GOP Gov. Barbour refuses to denounce license plate pitch honoring KKK leader

By Sahil Kapur
Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:30 EDT
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WASHINGTON – Mississippi Republican Gov. Haley Barbour, a potential 2012 presidential candidate, declined to denounce a group’s proposal that the state issue a license plate honoring an early Ku Klux Klan leader.

The idea, put forth by the white heritage group Sons of Confederate Veterans, would create a state-issued license plate by 2014 in honor of Confederate General and KKK leader Nathan Bedford Forrest. It would include a car tag and a series of other Civil War license plates.

Mississippi lawmakers are considering the proposal, and Barbour said it’s unlikely to be approved but refused to stake out a position against it.

“I don’t go around denouncing people,” Barbour told reporters Tuesday in his home state when asked about the idea, according to The Associated Press.

The NAACP’s Mississippi chapter president Derrick Johnson called on the governor to denounce it.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified the Sons of Confederate Veterans as a “hate group” known for its racist and white supremacist activities.

Barbour is the current chairman of the Republican Governors Association and an important player within the GOP. He’s a former chairman of the Republican National Committee.

This isn’t the first time the Mississippi Republican has found himself in the center of a race-related controversy. During an interview in December, he praised the Citizens Council, a pro-segregation white group that fought against civil rights, for refraining from using violence. Barbour later walked back the comments.

Barbour this week came under fire after it was revealed that his firm lobbied on behalf of Mexico in 2001 and 2002 for a program that would have helped undocumented immigrants gain legal residency in the United States.

 
 
 
 
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  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Ahh good…its nice to start the morning with a sense of non-sequitur. Barbour not landing on the side of the NAACP is like the moon not being on the same side as the sun. It just is. It isn’t a shocker or a surprise…its the normal state of being. Barbour stays elected by appeasing closet Klansmen…its his schtick…and it works. Its one of the ugly truths about the ‘modern South’…that just barely beneath the surface is a volcano of almost frothing psychotic race hatred…bred and trained into people over more than a hundred years of disinformation, lies and distraction…keeping the ignorant and destitute at each others throats…instead of fighting for mutual dignity and respect…and that keep the Barbours of the world at the top of the heap.

  • Guest

    Haley Barbour, why don’t you get your head out of your ass and help deal with real problems in this country instead of glorifying racism? FYI…the real problems are trickle-down, supply-side economics, corporate control of our government via our lack of publicly-funded elections, a runaway Military-Industrial Complex which keeps us engaged in unnecessary wars for profit, and an impending (and already occurring) global environmental catastrophe known as accelerated climate change which is due to our refusal to convert to alternative energy sources and go as close to carbon-neutral as we possibly can. Come on, Barbour, be a leader, not a douche.

  • Anonymous

    Haley Barbour’s made comments in the past that should present answers to you. He is very resentful of that brown man in the White House. He can’t come out and say it. So he hides behind ugly actions such as these and proves to the world he is racist. He is the governor of one of the poorest states in the country and the education system is sorely lacking. If you look beyond all the words being spoken, you can see the hot pile of steamy b.s. being shoveled your way.

  • Anonymous

    Barbour can’t denounce his base. Just another regressive tea bagger republican clown, a requirement to be a gop POTUS candidate. Only racist far right morons apply.

  • Anonymous

    He is done no Presidency for you Haley !

  • samhoustonTX

    Gov. Barbour: Be sure to get tag number: KKK 001

  • Anonymous

    Please run for president. There are so many slivers that have festered inside of America that need to be “squeezed” and “popped”. And you are one of the biggest.

  • Anonymous

    Of course he won’t come out against it. Would really screw up his campaign for Grand Wizard.

  • Anonymous

    The white power elite are going extinct and they know it, time to rewrite history so they won’t be remembered as the bottom feeding scum that they are.

  • Anonymous

    No kidding! Tell me, is anyone really surprised?

  • Monkei

    He won’t denounce the plate but I can quickly denounce his bid for the “white” house.

  • Anonymous

    … that whole “Foghorn Leghorn Accent Thang” … REALLY, REALLY adds to the image, too.

  • Anonymous

    Palin-Barbour 2012

  • Anonymous

    … the ticket for born-agin, Bible-believin’ Christians

    yep, yep . . . .

  • Busto

    You are exactly right. I am a firm believer that this nation would be a better place had we held the southern states, as well as the confederate leaders and politicians, as accountable as Europe held the Nazi’s. Now I could be wrong, but I don’t believe there are parts of Germany that still fly the swastika flag. Nor do I believe there was anyone flying the Union Jack in the 1800′s.

  • http://www.tommyjonestheband.com RantingTommy

    well, this story has both “yee” and “ha”

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Boss Cogg and Daisy Dupe? The Oops Of Hazard?

  • Buford2k11

    Racists are racists. Who is Barbour to denounce his organizations founder.

  • RottenJohnny

    Plain white rice . . . without the nutritional value.

  • http://twitter.com/Rteefact Rteefact

    Well lets just denounce Barbour for being the racist son of a bitch he really is. His true colors have been shining through this past year all from the man who say he inpsire to run for President. All from the governor of a state that falls mostly dead last amongs all the states and territories. I can never understand how the losers defeated in a 4yrs of battle are suddenly the champions of the United States of America.

    http://www.americashealthrankings.org/yearcompare/2007/2010/MS.aspx

  • Anonymous

    Good ole boy….being anti white or anti black is a ridiculous concept. Especially since variation of skin color is about as relevant to behavior as hair color is to intelligence. I think we can all agree that ignorance is the real problem here…and there are plenty of people of all different colors (including white!) that are ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    Ole Miss seems like a very unfriendly place… I can’t wait to see the debates between the bigots and the racist republican presidential candidates! Let’s get this show on road! I can’t remember who said this but it goes something like this “When republicans keep telling you who they are, believe them.”

  • Anonymous

    LOL…just look at his face. It tells you all you need to know….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Of course a racist isn’t going to speak out against a KKK guy being on a license plate. duh! :-D

  • Anonymous

    To hell with you, bigot punk.
    SPLC is not and never will be a hate group. You just hate them for exposing your hate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    This plays well in Mississippi. I know because I lived there for four years. This guy will not go any further in his political career, regardless of what he says or thinks about it.

    It’ll be one more thing that helps DEMs win in 2012, because he’s a blatant racist and the other Repubs are silent about it.

  • Guest

    You guys need to get over this… It’s no more offensive than an Andrew Jackson lic plate. And he’s on our money.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IPV6LRYFLBF6AYBLXYMS6L3XGQ chris

    Crazy at it sounds, that’s probably right.

  • nycplayboy78

    Come on now folks. Do you really think that a “Good Old Boy” is really going to denounce the KKK??!! I think it is because he truly believes in them…..LAWD!!! This man wants to be President??!!

  • nycplayboy78

    AMEN!!!! Thank you for your post =D

  • nycplayboy78

    Oh snap!!!

    =D

  • Anonymous

    And this shithead is so misguided he thinks he’s a possible President of the USA! Give us a break..even the vilest racists don’t want this fat assed farthead to run for anything. Even corruption-plagued Mississippi yearns to rid itself of the bastard.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    It’s good to see the South still holds true to its fine “Gentlemanly” Traditions. Let them show their true colors, at least it’s better than a facade they can play tricks behind. Now we can more easily target them in future political issues. Like Arizona showing its true moronic NAZI attitudes. Easier to boycott and avoid as tourism spots this way. And MUCH easier to exclude him from the ballot for President later in 2012. Zieg Heil, y’all!

  • Anonymous

    Look this issue aside why do politicians have to constantly denounce things they are not part of. I mean can you imagine if everyday your walking down the street and people come up to you and say hey do you denounce this, well what about that do you denounce that?

    Can’t people just not give a crap

  • Anonymous

    There is little that Barbour has hidden about his racism. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a more complex man than the still Confederate following fools would like to believe . http://americancivilwar.com/authors/NBF.html

  • Anonymous

    Google “I-65 Flag”.

    Technically, that is not the flag of the traitorous Confederacy, but a “battle flag” to avoid violating the US Code.

  • http://itsrobertsfault.blogspot.com/ LiberalTexasDemocrat

    Barbour is playing to his constituency we should expect nothing else.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, Hailey must awake every morning and have to endure the stones in his prostate banging together when his first thought of “one of them” being President.

  • Anonymous

    Andrew Jackson founded the KKK?

  • Anonymous

    The SPLC hates hate.

  • Anonymous

    General Nathan Bedford Forrest was not an unreconstructed Klansman. In 1875, Forrest gave a speech to an organization of black Southerners in which he accepted a bouquet of flowers from a black woman and spoke of an “agenda of equality and harmony between black and white Americans (New York Times).” Not exactly the ideal KKK member then or now. Let someone set the record straight.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4IODCTMORFA4WBDL2YDJNW3LYY Kyrios

    People not giving a crap is one of the reasons our country is in the sorry state that it is these days. Since he IS a state’s governor and since he is talking about running for POTUS, I for one damned sure wanna know what’s going on behind those beady little eyes!

  • Anonymous

    Ouch!!!

  • Guest

    No, Andrew Jackson did not form the Ku Klux Mr. Smug. They were both military leaders with tremendous responsibility. As the last Lt. General of the Confederacy the Ku Klux was used as a political tool for deterring the occupying forces of the North from overstepping their authority. Forrest claimed to be able to muster 50,000 men-at-arms within a week. This deterrent very much moderated atrocities that could have been committed by the occupying forces. Once it’s political usefulness waned and cases of attacks against blacks were committed – against the explicit orders of Forrest he stepped down. You must keep in mind that the KKK of 1860s and 70s was a very different animal than the KKK of the 20th century – when essentially a new group was formed under the name about the same time a film by D.W. Griffith was screened at the white house by Woodrow Wilson (The first film screening there). It was titled the Clansman but was re-titled “Birth of a Nation” prior to it’s release. Obviously I used Andrew Jackson as a comparison to put Fort Pillow at parity with The Trail of Tears.

    Also the title of the article is disingenuous as the lic plates are not KKK plates but historical plates in this example quite pertinent to the region they will be issued.

  • Guest

    There’s lots of evidence before 1875 that supports your claims and though by no means was Forrest a saint many people don’t care to understand American History. Forrest was a symbol to the Confederates and a damn-fine military officer. He rose from the rank of private to the rank of Lt. General during the course of the war and was as brilliant and colorful a tactician as any of the other such men that the confederacy can boast of. Check out Grant’s opinions of the General. The comments here reflect poorly on peoples’ understanding of this crucial period of American History.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    When fascism comes to America, it will be Haley Barbour wrapped in a confederate flag and carrying the Maltese Cross.’…(Thanks Sinclair Lewis)

  • Anonymous

    The south will rise again!! Why don’t these southern states hurry up and leave the union already….

  • Anonymous

    Maya Angelou
    “The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them. …

    I sort of mangled an eloquent statement.

  • WitsEnd66

    Of course not, the klan is Haley’s base

  • Guest

    I agree, I see nothing wrong with honoring Confederate generals on license plates. After all the “war between the states” did happen, should never be forgotten, and there were great and talented people on BOTH sides of the fight, Its not fair to ignore the confederate heroes just because they lost, and just because everyone wants to simplify the reasons people were fighting for.

    You are also right on when it comes to the KKK, totally different beast at its inception. And not what most would think. I would explain more on this, but I don’t think our fellow readers care to learn any real, human, American history. Most of these clowns seem to be comfy with their CNN/FOX degrees, these TV scholars sit on their couch, and get their opinions spoon feed to them by a state sponsored water head, too self involved and convoluted to really care what kind of garbage he/she spews out.

  • Anonymous

    This boy is a “Potential presidential candidate” ? Preposterous. I am a more probable candidate, running on the platform that I want the medical insurance benefits. Unlike Barbour, I do condemn people. First might be Barbour himself. Then there would be those mounting an attack on wikileaks. If elected, I promise to prosecute Dick Cheney, investigate the findings in the wikileaks documents, and my first budget cut will be the black budget. Next we will eliminate all hired gunsels in the militaty, and outlaw warlord armies. Then of course whistleblower protection for Bradley Manning. How many will vote for me? How many prefer Barbour?
    PS: One of my first official acts will be to smoke a joint in the white house.

  • Anonymous

    Much appreciate your comments. Most of the posts are regrettably a knee jerk reaction to Barbour. I guarantee that Forrest was a better man than Barbour ever will be. Yes, he killed during the war with incredible ferocity but no evidence exists of murderous inclinations or even bigotry once the South surrendered. Forrest disowned the Klan in public in 1870.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/UWO4PJ5IG35AEAHPUXGFSHEM4M Jay

    Someone might want to point out to this mental midget, Barbour, that by actively not denouncing this (that is not just ignoring it without comment, but proactively stating that he won’t denounce it) he is, in fact, endorsing it. And if that’s the way he feels, he should have the backbone to say so. But of course, he won’t.

  • Guest

    I would not feel like a bigot for sporting a Forrest plate if I lived in Mississippi. I’m a Yankee born in Virginia. Personally I’d consider a Washington, (Revolution) Lee, Early, or Jackson, plate if I lived in VA. But hell, here I’d be honored to sport an Iron Brigade plate (Union), or a Mad Anthony Wayne (Revolution) plate – pretty much anything that draws attention and pays homage to the contests and trials we’ve endured in the U.S. for right or for wrong. But it’s plain to anyone that studies military history there are very few examples of clear right and wrong. War is apart from morality.

  • Anonymous

    Mississippi, superlative shithole of Amerika on a nearly innumerable number of measures. What an unenviable cesspool.

    At least Barbour fits right in; the state couldn’t possibly elect a more grotesquely warped troglodyte as governor.

  • Guest

    So your gonna bitch about racist white guys, while using derogatory terms yourself?! So, its ok to be racist against white people, but god forbid you ever say anything against a black person! You guys are fucked in the head.

  • Anonymous

    I actually agree with Barbour. Of course it’s sick, but why should this be illegal? It’s like the ACLU protecting the skinheads’ rights. I hate it but that’s part of free speech, which we really have so little of to start with. And whenever you see these plates, you know which car to pelt with a dozen eggs! It’s like the hoods coming off. No hiding for the KKK with vanity plates.

  • Anonymous

    You call SPLC a hate group then use “jewbots” in the same sentence.

    Something tells me you breath with your mouth open at all times.

  • Guest

    You’re an asshole… furthermore our first president of “color” is an asshole too. He doesn’t give a shit about you or about freedom. He wants to see us all ruined or dead. George Washington’s America’s first president of non-color – Barry Obama the first president of color. It would have been 500 times less embarrassing to have Richard Pryor as our first black president. And he was actually an American.

  • dk504

    >>>>Barbour this week came under fire after it was revealed that his firm lobbied on behalf of Mexico in 2001 and 2002 for a program that would have helped undocumented immigrants gain legal residency in the United States.<<<

    Outstanding fat ass, you lobbied for law breaking. I'm sure your hopes and dreams will all come true now! Dumb ass SOB go chew some tabbky, let it drool down your filthy shirt pig. I hate to break this to you Shit for brains, its 2011, not 1911. We don't want you or your kind – ever. Resign , you are an embarrassment.

  • dk504

    Nice one.

  • Guest

    And they let you drive a Cessna?! Fuck, I should try to get my spaceshuttle drivers license.

  • dk504

    Of course people can get these vanity plates, they live under rocks, but yeah, they can buy them. However, since we live in the 21st CENTURY the GOVERNOR should always take the moral high ground and be on the correct side of history, not siding with warped troglodytes.
    Let the ACLU do what they want, but this is a moral issue, and just because the Barbour IS amoral doesn’t mean he gets to do the wrong thing. As the leader of the state he must come out and condemn this filth.

  • Anonymous

    This is perfectly fine, I tell you. He is a southern rethug doing what they do. Does anyone really expect one ounce of decency, moral fortitude, or leadership from this idiot? The scary part is that a certain number of DACS voted for him. Republicans have zero shame and could care less.

  • Guest

    Have you ever even been to Mississippi? First of all, lots of black people, secondly everyone there seemed pretty nice to me. Maybe you should get out of your house more often, your world view will thank you for it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3WYAWTN4LJ2TAZGFCL3U4H6AWM TheGuru

    Now you have touched upon one of my favorite pet peeves, “Southern Heritage”. I am still figuring out how you can be proud of having an ancestor take up an armed insurrection against your own government in support of the continued presence of an aristocracy fueled by slavery. To make this endeavor even more attractive, these people lost their war of division. I am still trying to figure out why anyone would be proud of being connected with that.

    Free speech is a very important cornerstone of our society, but remember what Oliver Wendall Holmes said, “The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorothy-Banks/100001470098554 Dorothy Banks

    Of course Barbour is not going to renounce the license plate fiasco. He’s stonewalling.He wants the southern vote. His main base. He doesn’t want to ruffle their feathers. Obviously he is straddling the fence with his hefty backside, which is probably turning red from the barbed wire. Hope he drank enough moonshine to kill the pain.

  • James “Jesus Glasses” Corbett

    What a surprise, a southern Republican who is a crypto-racist? You mean the Concerned Conservative Citizens really isn’t just a group of (white) business people who get together to play golf? My understanding is that they are all completely open to people of color, after all, along with Nathan Bedford Forrest, Bull Connor, George Wallace, David Duke and a wide variety of other “great” southerners are all slated to be honored with their own plate. I’m sure Martin Luther King will be honored soon.

  • Anonymous

    “And he was actually an American.” JHC, Obama is an AMERICAN, put the knuckledragging birther crap to rest already.

  • Anonymous

    by all means, the rest of the country is tired of having you guys hang on it’s ass like a hemorrhoid.

  • Anonymous

    Well that sounds all nice and flowery. This the same Forrest that did slave trading, massacred hundreds of black Union Army soldiers and white Southern Unionists? The same Forrest who ran campaigns of terror against blacks and white Republicans in the late 1800s whipping and killing many of them? While he was essentially the military commander of the KKK? Sounds like an AWESOME agenda of equality and harmony. He even got a bouquet of flowers from a black woman, that makes it all right in my book! (sarcasm)

  • Guest

    Duh!!!

    Haley Barblob is ideologically at one with them, a big-business-loving racist/white supremacist homophobe who nevertheless lobbied for cheap foreign labor and amnesty for undocumented workers. Do you think he’ll ever fess up to that? Hell to the naw!

    I’ll be glad when this monstrous hog of a shitturd retires to the Gulf of Mexico–the middle of it, I mean.

  • Helen Wheels

    This ol’ boy doesn’t realize that his kind are dying out. Say hello to the future, old GOP racists:

    http://www.gen-we.com/sites/default/files/Greenberg%20Millennial%20Study%20Survey%20Results.pdf

  • Anonymous

    The Wikipedia citation you refer to Ward p. 386 may not be accurate. No, Forrest was no Gandhi then again neither are any soldiers. “Warning: his references (Ward’s) should be verified first…” (See Amazon.com reviews). Forrest was a very complex man and case should be exercised in drawing conclusions. P.s.: I do not care for the South in general finding it even in 2011 somewhat bigoted in many respects however simplistic condemnation detracts from the general good of humanity and Forrest deserves a fair hearing.

  • Anonymous

    Wonder what Haley would look like today if he’d grown up on Michellel’s diet?

  • Guest

    I will when it actually can be put to rest… what is that anyway some ninja pokemon. So I’m guessing you’re like 10 years old.

  • Guest

    I’m a Yankee – but sometimes it bothers me especially reading an ignoramus like you summarize the Civil War – incorrectly – in such an idiotic way. Pick up a few books. I recommend Sears and Rhea to start. They’re easy to read although not quite as easy as the Television or 2nd Grade History. After a few hundred pages you might even answer your own question. “Why would anyone be proud of being connected with that?” If you’re still “trying to figure it out” then you haven’t been looking into it very seriously.

  • Guest

    Hate to break your bubble – I know it’s hard to take but – Just because someone is a good ‘ol boy, knows a few things about American History, lives in the South, or is a Republican does not imply that they are racists. Take a few deep breaths woman – pop a vallium… it’ll be ok.

  • Guest

    Oh shit the, poke’ninja returns to demonstrate his vast and mighty knowledge of the brilliant Confederate General Nathan Forrest. Who now, after being reduced to a custom historical license plate is reviled by idiots from self-loathing back-alleys of the internet.

  • Anonymous

    Barbour should be making license plates.

  • Leslie Basden

    And this man wants to run for President of the United States? Good luck with that. Please, run, by all means.

  • Guest

    Unfortunately I have to agree with bobbotheclown ralphie. While I believe that the SPLC and the ADL are both quite nefarious and overly influential peddlers of propaganda and disinformation – it does not help your case to simply dismiss them as “jewbots” – it would have been more compelling to give an example of their systematic BS. I’d better check out splcenter.org now they probably just condemned me for “hate speech”.

  • Guest

    Oh Matt. One day you will reach adulthood. But golly, I’m so happy you’re not a racist – just an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    My father always used to tell me, “the South is still fighting the Civil War.. It’s now 2011 and I think dear old Dad was right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2EYC3ZVSYQWCJP2M7V24GAQPD4 dm

    I honestly don’t see what is “complex” about Nathan Forrest nor do I see where he deserves a “fair hearing”. However I guess that is where we will respectfully disagree. I fail to see the logic in a man that tells his negro soldiers that supposedly “fight” for him and sympathize with him that they will be “free either way”, I don’t see how that could happen given the institution of slavery to the American South (hell to America in general). Obviously, those who fought against him/disagreed with him will be more critical than those who supported him. History shows there was a massacre at Fort Pillow, of black Union army soldiers and others, and numerous Confederate firsthand accounts of it. Even if it wasn’t responsible directly, he did nothing apparently to stop it. Obviously Southern Revisionist will paint this as Northern lies to tarnish reputation of the South’s great generals but it was it is.

  • Jaimie11

    Yup, in the hate business, it is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2EYC3ZVSYQWCJP2M7V24GAQPD4 dm

    I never questioned nor discussed Forrest’s military genius. Reading comprehension a problem for you much?

  • Jaimie11

    And suppression of free speech in Europe makes all look very nice on the surface – but beware. What you suppress can fester and reappear larger than life.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2EYC3ZVSYQWCJP2M7V24GAQPD4 dm

    Sorry to disappoint, I’m 35, but you apparently comprehend like one who is 10. Care to point out some some non-conspiratorial, non-Fox News, non-World Net Daily right-wing nut log resource that proves beyond a doubt that he is of foreign birth?

    I can produce a few that put its to rest, but hey,whatever helps you sleep at night:
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

    Because obviously endless bitching and moaning about wither we have a president that isn’t or is an American is soooo more important than say, the economy, Afghanistan, jobs, health care, and other really important issues.

  • Jaimie11

    Oh my – the white power elite is simply absorbing new blood – witness, Obama climbing the ladder.

  • Jaimie11

    Richard Pryor would have been good, yeah.

  • Jaimie11

    Dying out is a fantasy too. There’s always more comin’ along.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Helen and welcome!

    Good to see you!

  • Guest

    In this context even a massacre cannot necessarily tarnish the reputation of one of the great generals of the Civil War. He was both respected and feared by both sides and he was one of the few members of the confederate high command that realized the conflict would be a total war. If one has to be outraged and offended by Forrest then they must be outraged and offended by virtually all commanders both from the North and from the South AND their civilian strategists. The north disproportionately used a scorched-earth policy that made the confederates seem all the more heroic especially when they fought so bravely with inferior weapons against a numerically superior foe. That is why Lee, Jackson, Early, Forrest, Alexander, Stewart and others will continue to be venerated not just in the South but by discriminating Americans the nation over. Most northern high commanders cannot be viewed with such a fond light. Grant, Sherman, Hooker, McClellan, and Burnside don’t have the same appeal. Their odds weren’t as long and their careers were pocked by total war policies, and political infighting and backstabbing. These characters, like anything, must be weighed to understand their value.

  • Anonymous

    The best thing the Democrats have going for them in the next election cycle are the Wacko Republican governors from states like New Jersey, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, Texas and Mississippi. By the time 2012 rolls around the people in at least half these states are going to be real sorry they ever voted Republican.

  • Guest

    dm! Oh man, I didn’t recognize you! Is that the poke’ninja with a brand new, hip Goth avatar with a soul-patch? And no reading comprehension isn’t a problem for me most of the time. I also didn’t mention Forrest’s military genius unless that’s what you got from “brilliant confederate general”. He was definitely a tough dude though right?! He’d have thought the world of you.

  • Anonymous

    I think any lingering questions regarding your IQ have finally been cleared up!

  • Guest

    I know right! Richard Pryor would have totally owned this country! My IQ is about average you’re way about of my league Einstein.

  • Guest

    Does that soul-patch still look hip at 35? The poke’goth ninja wants to talk about the economy, jobs health car and other really important issues. Do You? And if you think that some newsweek and usatoday articles are going to convince me that he’s legit – then I’d expect you to get on board with Beck and the fox news team everyday. But hey, if you ever want to get together and play a game of pokemon, I’m in. I had to learn it when I went to alternative ed.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PF4BRQDF4633RPXV5TPFG7KV7Y LarryM

    you’re a real piece of work…

  • Anonymous

    What? Barbour, “I don’t go around denouncing people…” He does not have a spine. He is only looking for voters on this one. Or, is the non-answer answer indicative of his true feeling to slavery, past injustice, support for The KKK, and revisionist history?

    One begins to wonder about this spineless wonder.

  • Guest

    Dude, you are the man! Stepping out on Fran like that. I’ll cover for you – she is blond after all. You play all the bases – I could learn a thing or two from you! High-Five!

  • Busto

    Is there some secret, long hidden Nazi organization waiting to seize power in Germany? When free speech encourages and condones the violation of basic HUMAN rights, ie., life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it stops being free speech and becomes oppression, perhaps even terrorism.

  • Anonymous
  • Guest

    So, does this mean I could get a hero plate/tag to honor Poppa Doc and Charlie Manson? …just asking.

  • Anonymous

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified the Sons of Confederate Veterans as a “hate group” known for its racist and white supremacist activities.”

    Always a hoot to hear the SPLC pontificating on “white supremacists,” considering that in its 40 year history the SPLC has NEVER hired a person of color to a highly paid position of power.

    http://wp.me/pCLYZ-7m

    Maybe 40 years from now the SPLC will denounce its own white supremacy and get around to integrating its executive suite.

    Hypocrites…

  • Anonymous

    Is this the new south?
    Or did it ever stop being?

  • Anonymous

    of course this fat ol’ redneck, piece of shit wont renounce the kkk license plates. kinda like the tea party not caring about torching the constitution until a nigger starts torching it, then they suddenly remember we have a constitution and they want their country back? after 8 years of bush wiping his ass with the constitution, and not a fucking peep from the teabaggers??? please!, just why the fuck we had a war to KEEP
    the south part of this country is beyone me.

  • Anonymous

    So is the Benedict Arnold plate coming out soon to honor his important place in American history?

  • Anonymous

    Hey Boss Hog,soooie,soooie,soooie,here pig,pig,pig.

  • Jaimie11

    That’s right – it has been suppressed in Europe, but it hasn’t gone away. It has just popped up wearing new clothes or risen elsewhere like a mole in a whack-a-mole game. So suppressing these ideas may not be all that effective – could be that arguing positions more conducive to peace in the world, affirming human rights, will do more to counter its growth than sweeping it under the rug will do. Maybe it is time for people who believe as you do to make cogent arguments that demonstrate the flaws in supremacist thinking. Wouldn’t that be more powerful than suppression? To open it all up to scrutiny could be a refreshing change.

    You may have noticed it is human nature to rebel when a thing is made verbotten. People are naturally drawn to that which is not permitted, and some will fall into the false logic White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis believe. In the US both the racist white right wing and a growing number of far left wing are willing to blame the world’s problems on Jews instead of on Zionists of all races and creeds. Have you not noticed that? How should we counter such ideas without fueling and inflaming them?

    I would much prefer my free speech rights are not infringed upon or abridged for any reason. I criticize government regularly – if we allow that government to limit free speech, what is to stop it from declaring my criticism too dangerous to be permitted? Who decides where to draw the line between speech that we don’t permit and that which we do permit? If that decision is left to government, we are in deep trouble. Right now some in government are pushing to make Wikileaks a terrorist group and are proposing ideas that would make honest journalism a crime against the state.

    As for your question about Nazis waiting to rise in Germany – there are in fact white identity Neo-Nazi groups in France, Britain, Estonia, Croatia, Belgium, Austria, Germany, organized as political parties who get votes and power to influence policy by winning seats in parliaments. So I would surmise that suppression has not brought about the results desired by and used as rationale for that suppression.

  • Jaimie11

    They could well run him. After all, that would bring out the base, even the angry disillusioned, to re-elect Obama, friend of oligarchs. Pretty good strategy to keep their man in the Oval Office, that or run with Palin on the ticket – either would do nicely.

  • Guest

    If you think people would actually buy them. I wouldn’t but if it’s your thing – I have nothing against it.

  • Jaimie11

    Go for it – if you want to be a dumb reactionary.

  • Jaimie11

    Without the growth of hatred and racism where’d they be? Out of business. How to insure the growth of hate? Ban it.

  • Guest

    “Gotta catch ‘em all!’

  • Guest

    That is a really strange avatar, its like Trent Reznor got re assembled by the care bears and then had his mom snap a photo right before he went back to school.

  • Anonymous

    Segregation in the South wasn’t about hatred it was about power and control! They didn’t lynch black people because they hated them, although they well might have, they lynched them because they wanted to control the black population.

    Ida B. Wells who did more than any other individual to debunk common myths about lynching in the late 19th century, showed in articles that she wrote in 1892 that most lynchings were not directed at black men who supposedly raped white women, in fact, the victims were more generally black men who were becoming successful entrepreneurs and in doing so were competing with white businesses. These articles resulted in the destruction of her printing press an the arson of the small local newspaper she owned and edited and forced her to flee in fear for her own life to New York where she continued to debunk the lies that whites told about lynching and its victims.

    What I don’t understand is why the good kind honest an generous people of the South didn’t band together and in a spirit of charitable giving buy Ida B. Wells a new press and rebuild her office for her an invite her back to the South in order to continue her work against the evils of lynching there. Certainly in the 1890s there were no laws whatsoever against hatred of Black people. In fact there weren’t even any laws then against the wanton murder, rape and pillage of Black people, their homes, their land, or their personal property. I guess all that hatred was just practice for when those anti-hatred laws went into effect, kind of like proper preparation.

    RIGHT???

    Using this stupid logic the best way to get rich people to start paying taxes would be to ban taxes. How many people in their right mind think that’s actually a workable option???

    Jesus Christ!

    Austrian School–HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    One other thing, there are no laws today banning “hatred” there are laws regulating actions. Hatred is not an action it is an emotion, laws only deal with actions. Not emotions. Hate crimes legislation still only criminalizes the action, not the hatred. If you can’t even be honest enough to admit that you really are nothing but a liar, pure and simple.

  • Guest

    “be on the correct side of history’

    that’s the most naive statement I’ve read all day.

  • Guest

    How could you NOT be proud to have a rebel in the family?

  • Anonymous

    You’re either dangerously ignorant or a malicious liar! I don’t know which. I really don’t care which though, one is just as dangerous and despicable as the other.

    You can revise the early KKK all you want; they were after “negroes” and the reinstitution of the kind of complete control of the “negroes” that slavery represented. The KKK didn’t do a whole lot of fighting with the Northern troops, they mainly terrorized the Black population of the South, including the early incarnation of the KKK. It’s fashionable in conservative circles to try to revise history and make the old KKK all sweetness and light and love for their fellow man. But in fact the KKK in fact did go out and beat and kill a lot of “negroes.” If you had ever watched the film “The Birth of a Nation” you would know that, because both the beatings and killings of “negroes, are clearly depicted and celebrated in that film, which Wilson viewed along with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court at that time, Edward Douglass White, who also was a member of the Klan, and members of his cabinet at the White House. White called the movie, according to a Preface in “The Reconstruction Trilogy” by Sam Dickson (1994), historically accurate.

    In addition the film is composed of and represents most of the wost stereotypes of ignorant “negroes” drinking, carousing, leering at and harassing white women, voting as their white Northern masters tell them to and getting paid for their votes in whiskey, and taking over the South, lolling around drunk in the legislature and instead of acting responsibly, hooting and hollering and passing ridiculous legislation, while the poor native whites have no choice but to form vigilante bands to protect their homes and women from gangs of marauding blacks. Most telling in the film itself is the strange disconnect between the masses of actual black people used in the crowd scenes and the white people in black face who play all blacks with speaking parts. I’m not kidding about this either.

    Dickson himself writes, after a page of ranting against liberals and blaming them for the failures of all past efforts legal and social at integration of schools and other facilities in America that:

    “In every country in which racially different races [clumsy at best] live side by side, tension, chaos and disorder erupt. The old folk wisdom that ‘good fences make good neighbors’ is on the mark. The best way to fight racial hatred and communal strife is for each people to have its own country.

    The liberal who constantly accuses racial separatists of ‘hate’ has done nothing but cause hatred. Hatred will best be avoided by separation. Tibetans and Scots, or example, do not hate each other for the precise reasons that each folk has it’s own country apart from the other.

    Despite the unwillingness of liberals to face facts, reality cannot be avoided. This country is on a collision with reality. Ultimately, reality will be hear, even by those, or most especially by those, who want to ignore it.”

    This wasn’t written in 1890 although it might have been, it was dated by Dickson as July 4, 1993. And this is written in introducing the books from which “The Birth of a Nation” was derived. This little snippet at the end of the Preface might indicate that in fact the KKK wasn’t really about attacking Northern troops and saving the South from white people. Just sayin’!

    D.W. Griffith himself was from Kentucky.

    The film was based on the play, widely condemned everywhere it was performed on stage, which was in turn based on Thomas Dixon’s first two books of the early 1900s, “The Leopard’s Spots” published in 1902 and “The Clansman (1903). These two books together with the depiction of the end of the KKK would be published in the late twentieth century in a celebratory version called “The Reconstruction Trilogy” (1994) which includes “The Leopard’s Spots” (1902), “The Clansman” (1903) and “The Traitor” (1907) from which the earlier quotations by Sam Dickson are taken. I have this POS book in my hand as I write this.

    If you want me to continue to educate you by actually quoting some except from the books in this “trilogy” themselves, and let me warn you it’s pretty damn despicable shit, I can do that!

    And if you can’t demonstrate just a fraction of honesty I certainly will.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it heartening to know that Southern whites lynched something like 6,000 black men and women and in one of the more outrageous cases actually took a pregnant woman out cut her womb open, ripped her baby from the womb, and stabbed and killed it in front of the mother and then roasted her alive without any hatred whatsoever!

    In other cases they would shoot, castrate, and burn alive people and then after the black burnt bodies were cooled cut off fingers and other parts for display and sale in local stores.

    Knowing that these acts were done without any hatred whatsoever just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy and I know it must do the same for you!

  • Anonymous

    Southrons=Racists!

  • Anonymous

    Versus the kind of deep thinker that your posts on this thread represent right???

  • Guest

    just knew I would coax one of you mass murderer memorabilia collectors out from under your rock with just the question. Do me favor, go set your self on fire and jump off a building clutching your sacred picture of mine fuhrer. How that for “reactionary dumb fuck?

  • Anonymous

    Here’s a classic quote from “The Leopard’s Spots” (1902) by Thomas Dixon, Jr. which shows that the KKK in the first incarnation was not about Black people at all but only about white people from the North ruining it for the good, kind, loving people of the South.

    This is said by a white character named Harris to a Black man in the novel who he thinks might have designs on his daughter:

    “I happen to know the important fact that a man or a woman of Negro ancestry, though a century removed, will suddenly breed back to a pure Negro child, thick lipped, kinky headed, flat nosed, black skinned! One drop of your blood in my family could push it backward three thousand years in history. If you were able to win her consent, a thing unthinkable, I would do what old Virginius did in the Roman Forum, kill her with my own hand, rather than see her sink in your arms into the black waters of a Negroid life.” (203-204)

    See the first KKK wasn’t about black people at all. And there is really no hatred here–this is all love and roses and racial purity–the part about killing his daughter himself to save her from the Black man, isn’t about hatred, its about love! Nothing in this book could be about hatred, because hatred didn’t emerge until it outlawed and it wasn’t outlawed in 1902!

    The hatred for the Negroes that so many think characterized the South didn’t even emerge until hate was outlawed!

    I am of course still waiting for any of the resident Southern Reconstruction revisionists to give us the statue that actually outlaws hatred. They keep saying that hatred was outlawed. I say support that claim with the actual law that did it! If they can’t or won’t they’re all “lying POS”s.

  • Anonymous

    The license plates ARE KKK plates.

    Your bias shows. Just another ConFedSymp.

  • Anonymous

    KKK should never be honored.

    Why don’t they have a plate honoring those blacks who lived and died under the system of slavery that the ConFedSymps seem to want to forget existed?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for proving the point. If someone would buy this license plate and not a Benedict Arnold plate, they are not buying the plate for “history”.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for proving my points about ConFedSymps.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3WYAWTN4LJ2TAZGFCL3U4H6AWM TheGuru

    Oh well, here we go again with the lovely, “it was an geographic and economic struggle caused by those evil industrialists in the North victimizing the poor Southern farmers” argument. “Lincoln presented the Emancipation Proclamation to gain more support for losing war effort…” blah, blah, blah. Right I have heard that drivel. Too bad, it was a Civil War, and nothing less. The South lost.

    The bottom line is that Southern society of the 1860′s was just the most refined form of an atrocious public policy. Thanks for the history lesson.

  • Anonymous

    Whoever told you, you knew a few things about American history, lied!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, it’s definitely about the money. In 1994, Morris Dees swore he’d end SPLC fund-raising efforts when their Endowment Fund hit $100 MILLION donor-dollars, which it did in 2002.

    The fear campaign never ended, the donation requests continued to go out like clockwork.

    By 2007, the Endowment Fund broke the $200 million donor-dollar mark but the fear campaign never ended and the donation requests continued to go out like clockwork.

    Today, the SPLC sits high atop more than $216 MILLION tax-free donor dollars and yet the fear campaign continues and the donation requests STILL go out like clockwork.

    The Endowment Fund, which was established in 1974 specifically so that the SPLC could stop fund raising and simply live off the interest has generated millions more each year than the cost of running the SPLC for more than a decade now.

    It’s all about the money…

    http://wp.me/pCLYZ-6I

  • Anonymous

    What law banned hated? Just give the law’s name that banned hate! Which law was it exactly that banned hate, because there is quite a bit of Islamophobia about and it seems that if there was a law that banned hate it should apply to Islamlphobia too, shouln’t it?

  • Anonymous

    More than likely it’s about the Jouuuuuuuuuusssssss! Except it’s so hard to connect the SPLC to Zionism isn’t it. If you could do that then you could pretend that you were a good hater, but only being able to connect it to the Jouuuuuuuuussss as someone else here did looks kinda anti-semitic, but what’s a little racism between friends, right?

    This is thread is the place for it, racists abounding here!

  • Jaimie11

    You ought to be smart enough to know that hate is a bogeyman used to control voters, and provides the side benefit of offering a profitable business model, like the SPLC. Get all the socialists in a tizzy about hate and they lose their minds, demand hate crime laws and limiting free speech. For someone so enamored with his own intelligence, you sure don’t evidence intelligence much.

    If you weren’t so up the canal you might even be able to connect SPLC to Zionism, after all they do support the corrupt Zionist American government in planning and carrying out some of its false flag operations. They had a major role in setting up McVeigh, patsy for the OK City bombing that gave Clinton his patriotic day in the sun.

    You’re not deep PAG. You don’t plumb well.

    Maybe a little confession from an advisor to Obama, Mr. Simpson, will help you:

    Alan Simpson on how law is made in America

    “That’s how you pass or kill something in this country, you use emotion, fear, guilt or racism, and I’ve been in them all – I did immigration, nuclear, Social Security, ageing – I learned where the long knives are.
    And as long as people are buffaloed by that, and fogged by that on the basis of protecting their hide from any peril, as H.L. Mencken once said, we’re in deep trouble.”

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/02/16/133801977/alan-simpson-cut-entitlements-defense-dont-touch-help-to-poor

  • Anonymous

    Exactly!

    According to this logic making murder illegal only makes people murder, making bank robbery illegal only makes more people want to rob banks, making rape illegal only causes more people to rape, making incest illegal only causes more incest, so laws against all kinds of crime from wife beating to poaching should be removed from the books because all those laws that were mistakenly passed by well-meaning but ignorant liberals to prevent these things from occurring have antithetically exacerbated the problem and encouraged more people who would have never thought of killing or raping to run right out and kill or rape someone. So rather than reducing the incidents of these crimes these silly laws have only increased the incident of them and that is why we have more people incarcerated than China. But once murder and all these other offenses are legal, America will become a paradise where the allure of the forbidden fruit will cease to hold any attraction for its citizens and we will never have to worry about another murder in America because it will no longer possess the attraction of a forbidden act.

    And once shoplifting is no longer illegal we can shop with no one following us around and things like razor blades and other pricey small items that people are now stealing, and of course then prices can be reduced at least 20 percent or more because when theft is no longer banned theft will stop and stores can pass the savings in security costs along to their customers. I can’t wait. Because so many times these Hollywood stars are only stealing expensive items just because it is against the law, and once it is no longer against the law to steal or murder the number of Armored Car robberies will decrease to zero.

    In addition, instead of requiring the rich to pay taxes let’s require them to not pay taxes. Indeed, we should make it illegal for rich people to pay 60 percent of their income in taxes because once we make paying a 60 percent of their income in taxes illegal the rich will all want to immediately pay 60 percent of their income in taxes and then we can finally pay down the national debt. And won’t that be nice!

  • Anonymous

    After the mistakes, both factual and ideological, you made regarding the book “The Clansman” (1903) and the contents of the film “The Birth of A Nation” (1915), I see no reason to believe that anything you say about any other aspect of American history will be any less distorted.

  • Anonymous

    Yes of course, when someone chains the near dead body of a black man to the back of pickup and drags that body at about 40 miles an hour for 5-7 miles down a gravel road until the man is dead, it is silly to assume for a minute that this action was motivated by hate–it was really an act of love!

    And anyone who calls it a hate crime is impinging on your freedom of speech, because such an act is a political statement and should not be impinged on.

    Just like all the other atrocities, that are committed for hate in this country–they are not hate crimes at all, they are political statements and making them criminal is an impingement on your free speech.

    And you think I am fucked up!!!

    Do you have any quotes from anyone who isn’t a hyper-conservative Republican.

    And of course all Jouuuuuussssss are eventually Zionists aren’t they?

  • Jaimie11

    You are obtuse and the mirror image of Limbaugh – you disgust me. And I can tell by the way you think that freedom of thought is not high on your list of values. You are too rigid to have any appreciation of freedom. Mechanical, soulless, heartless, controlling – no wonder you are a lonely man with nothing to do but write treatises multiple times a day on a political blog best suited for more pithy commentary.

    Murder by whatever means is a crime. Crime is crime and should be prosecuted no matter who commits it. I am surprised you don’t know that. But you appear to want little other than to exert control over others, to force your rigid, compassionless philosophy onto everyone else, and so freedom is an impediment to your interests. I don’t find that attitude helpful or enlightening. You are acting out the absolute worst aspects of human nature, applied through history by white Europeans onto all inferior races whose land and resources they stole or attempted to steal, and by people everywhere who prefer ruling others over ruling themsevles.

    Do some homework Pag. There’s more to life than sterile intellectualism. Whatever it is has shut down your emotional intelligence, you could benefit from confronting it and freeing yourself from its grip.

  • Anonymous

    Ironic isn’t it–I’m “mechanical, soulless, heartless, controlling…[with a] rigid, compassionless philosophy” and you’re the one who thinks that laws seeking to attribute motivations of certain heinous crimes to “hate” are an infringement on your freedom.

    Amazing isn’t it. I don’t worry about that, because I don’t hate anyone, I don’t think that I need to burn a cross on someone’s lawn to intimidate them and I don’t see doing that as a political statement that needs to be protected no matter what! It seems like someone like yourself would be outraged by these kinds of actions for many reasons but you see that as some kind of political speech that is an impingement on you. The only conclusion I can come to is that you feel the need to have this freedom.

    I don’t! I don’t feel the need to have the freedom to use “political speech” as a cover for the right to terrorize others, that you do, speaks volumes!

    Another irony here is that you can’t seem to make up your mind whether I am a very stupid person who has nothing of worth to say or someone who says too much and should be more “pithy”–a word used everyday by Bill O’Reilly on “The Fox Entertainment Channel”! This kind of “pithy” banter, to my way of thinking, generally leads to reductive, mistaken, and ill-conceived thought. More ironically, in a post in which you are complaining about your freedoms of expression being taken away by hate crime laws, you are telling me what I should be saying and how long I should make.

    For all my faults, and they are many, I try not to engage in malicious ad hominem attacks or practice amateur psychoanalysis. I also don’t pretend to be smart and superior–hell I didn’t even graduate from high school–then make utterly stupid statements, such as, we shouldn’t ban certain actions because making something illegal only encourages people to want to do it. Or pretend I know something about some movie that I have obviously never seen or worse have seen and just lie about. Or pretend that libertarianism will help everyone, or pretend that my thoughts are “original” while others have never had a single original idea in their lives.

    I have argued with libertarians (almost all have been men) on various websites for the better part of eleven years now, and I gotta tell ya, except for a guy named Gene from southern Indiana, who was by far the smartest of the lot–he was the best thinker, had the best examples, was generally factually accurate, didn’t blow a lot of smoke, and offered the most consistent arguments–I haven’t heard anything original from any of ‘em, by that I mean they all say the same crap; some with a little more finesse and some with a little more nuance, but mostly when it gets down to it, they can’t defend their ideas or what those ideas mean for most working people or those who struggle in for years in desperation in the gross bowls of labor, that capitalism’s gods reserve for those they deem too stupid or worthless for success. They are real big on abstract ideas like “freedom,” “liberty,” etc, but real inconsistent when it comes to what that might mean in practice. One other stands out. He was the nicest of the bunch; he graduated from USC, but still had problems comprehending New York Times articles, never insisted that I or anyone else come around to his point of view. He was nasty when he drank, and he drank on weekends, he eventually got ground up and deposited in the refuse bin of free market capitalism in the California real estate crash. He’s been out of work longer than I have and he’s back living with his parents.

    In fact, I have spent so much time talking with libertarians I can mostly anticipate after a certain point when they are going to start telling me how stupid I am, cause they nearly all eventually do, and they nearly all call that being smarter than me. I could go on, but the point is I know I am not a “deep thinker,” I don’t pretend to be, I am still very stupid, there are millions of things I don’t know and millions of things I think I know that I am mistaken about, but I will never be so stupid to pretend that slavery was a good thing, or freedom is money or that taxes are slavery or that people need freedom to burn crosses on other people’s yards, or any of hundreds of other ignorant notions I have heard spouted in those eleven years.

    I am going to go have some blueberries now! Have a nice day. I hope they don’t ever change the hate crime laws. As Bushie might say “murder is murder and robbery is robbery” but robbery with a gun carries a different penalty than robbery without a gun. That’s because “we the people,” “the government” have decided that people who stick a gun in your face are somehow “different” than shoplifters and that the law should and does recognize that emotional difference. I feel the same way about people who are motivated by hate to murder someone, or burn a cross on someone’s lawn or refuse to serve someone or refuse to live next door to someone because of the color of skin, they too are “different.” You want to ignore that difference and call me names because I don’t. You and I are also different!

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