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Republicans seek to quash ‘net neutrality’ rules

By Agence France-Presse
Thursday, February 17, 2011 17:14 EDT
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WASHINGTON — Republican members of the US Senate and House of Representatives are seeking to quash rules approved by US telecom regulators designed to ensure an open Internet.

The five-member Federal Communications Commission (FCC), in a vote split on party lines, agreed in December to the rules aimed at safeguarding “network neutrality,” the principle that lawful Web traffic should be treated equally.

Supporters have argued that the rules are needed to ensure an open Internet but opponents have decried them as unnecessary government intervention.

Republicans in the Senate and House formally introduced a matching “resolution of disapproval” on Wednesday seeking to reverse the rules.

House majority leader Eric Cantor, a Republican from Virginia, said the resolution is intended to “debunk the FCC’s harmful and partisan plan to regulate the Internet.”

“From the Internet’s inception we have taken a hands-off approach,” added Representative Greg Walden, a Republican from Oregon.

“The Internet did not become the explosive driver of communications and economic growth it is today until we turned it over to free enterprise,” Walden said. “Changing direction now will only harm innovation and the economy.”

US carrier Verizon Communications filed a legal challenge to the FCC’s rules last month, calling them an “assertion of broad authority for sweeping new regulation of broadband networks and the Internet itself.”

The rules are a balancing act by the FCC between support for consumers and the cable and telephone companies that are the US Internet service providers.

The FCC drafted the rules after suffering a legal setback in April when a court ruled that it had not been granted the authority by Congress to regulate the network management practices of Internet service providers.

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  • Anonymous

    And funny how they repeat their “get government out of our lives and off our backs” mantra all the time.

    Being a huge hypocrite and a corporate whore is a requirement for these chumps.
    They fear the free speech that goes on the internet, they hate free speech! Except for corporations they’ve now deemed people. They’re also making sure the telecoms can jack up the rates, slow down the dissent.
    Fuck you Cantor!!

  • gypski®

    Cantor is an idiot and a puppet for corporate and ethnic master. One of what we don’t need representing anyone.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Republicans seek to quash ‘net neutrality’ rules

    And the Democrats bob their head and go along for the ride.

  • Ed Dominguez

    Once again the gop working on there bullshit, instead of jobs, or health care.

  • cannotvote

    These guys are just nuts, it’s as if their spoiling for something!?

  • Anonymous

    I’m all in favor of minimal regulation, but let the minimum regulation be – internet neutrality.

    The FCC is in charge of regulating a finite resource – bandwidth. The telecoms are given access to the airways, but in return have to follow some basic rules. This is one of them.

  • http://wardclark.myopenid.com/ Ward

    “From the Internet’s inception we have taken a hands-off approach,” and the result has been Verizon and Comcast have been buying off our Congress to maintain the freedom to do whatever they want in pursuit of maximize profits.

    “Changing direction now will only harm innovation and the economy.” Right! Innovation like mediocre broadband speed (or none at all in rural areas) and high cost.

  • David R Velasquez

    We have net neutrality?

    Oh right, I forgot …for sites the gov’t doesn’t shut down.

  • Anonymous

    The choices in economics is to regulate or allow pillage. Since Reagan we have accepted more pillage every year. The telephone companies who are in control of the wire to my house have positioned themselves admirably to bleed us as the cable companies do. In large measure their position was fortified by regulation they lobbied for. The big one was limiting the speed that dial-up providers could operate at, then offered predatory prices for the higher speed, so dial-up almost vanished. I think these men do not understand what they are doing. Nobody who did would be so self destructive.

  • Anonymous

    It is a long tradition that republicans deregulate business and regulate people, while democrats do the opposite.
    Having see a picture of Cantor here, I need to go and wash.

  • Anonymous

    If you wouldn’t mind, would you lighten up? Liberals don’t talk like that. That is right wing talk.

  • Anonymous

    It is simply at variance with the facts. Regulation has been very helpful to the telephone companies.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    This is a lie worthy of Goebbels. Whatever it takes to get these Nazis out of public life is more than justified.

  • Anonymous

    Corporate whores do as they please. Its up to us to say enough is enough. Riot anyone? sighhhh I thought not.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    And ask gently if there is anything they can do to help.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    While lowering their pants sheepishly.

  • Anonymous

    HA!

  • Anonymous

    yep, we’re just getting started. the reich-wingers or is it reich-whiners? have only been 1 month. they’re just gettin’ warmed up! it’s going to go on and on on… this is what we have for a country now, with independent voices crushed..

  • Anonymous

    “The Internet did not become the explosive driver of communications and economic growth it is today until we turned it over to free enterprise,”

    What a lot of bullshit. The internet was created by the government. It was created with taxpayers money. The government wanted the technology to be available to the public. The free market didn’t do any Research and Development into creating the internet.

    What the Republicans want is for the Corporate Nazis to control the information. And Corporate Nazis always vote Republican.

    With Corporate controlled internet the only information you’ll find is Ronald Reagan created the earth and Bush Jr parted the Red Sea and Rush Limbaugh was a prophet of God. I kid you not Conservatives will rewrite everything.

    Republicans the people want to ask you something: Where are the jobs?

    Republicans ran on the claim they will create jobs and all they have done so far is Jihad rap, with their sidekick doing the mime.

  • Anonymous

    What must it be like, to try everything you can within your power to be absolutely HATED?

    I’m seriously waiting, with bated breath, for the day that the GOP finally goes over the top.

    Won’t be long now, kids!

  • Anonymous

    How quickly people forget. Microsoft resisted the Internet HARD at first. They did not even include Internet functionality in their operating systems for years, if you wanted it you had to purchase it separately from a small entrepreneur company.

    It’s hard to emphasize how important it is for the government to get involved in these things. We all remember the whole beta / vhs fiasco. In the end the worst suffering was done by consumers who could not watch each other’s tapes. The companies that made the gear really didn’t suffer at all, in fact they probably did better, selling both technologies to the avid users. When the government is involved at the early stages of technology they can keep these sorts of disasters from happening.

    And again look at government involvement in the phone company. They insisted that all of the telephone gear used all over the country be identical and interchangeable and compatible. At first the “market was sorting itself out” and it was a nightmare of incompatible systems. As a result of government regulation we had decades of solid reliable phone service from cheap equipment that could be installed by workers with normal skills.

    And here is another important aspect: when there is a disaster such as a flood or a hurricane, telephone workers from all over the country can converge on the disaster area and get right to work, since they all are familiar with the same gear.

    Our country thrived and grew because we were all just a phone call away from each other. It’s a shining example of what the government can do when everything lines up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    Fact: THE INTERNET OPERATES UNDER NET NEUTRALITY RIGHT NOW.

    So, to want to eliminate net neutrality is to say you disapprove of the internet works right now.

    What is wrong with this system? I think it works just fine! Fuck you comcast and verizon, leave this shit alone.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, you mean that “Pledge for America” Boner and his good old boys were touting just before the election?

  • Anonymous

    Just how did these cretins get elected? Who in their right mind would vote for a fascist corporatist republican? Personally, I think the republican party should be OUTLAWED.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTnYCg8v8o Bamboo_Harvester

    What kind of evil rabid rancid wretched reeking snatch hatched this eric cantor character ?

    Oy Gevalt !

  • Anonymous

    I forgot there are only two parties in the whole world.

  • Anonymous

    By sidekick I assume you mean Mr. Obama. He’s a republican corporatist thru and thru.

  • http://www.thumbsnap.com/v/gFBboTLC.jpg TheBiggerPicture

    haha – i had to read this twice cause at first i thought it read bobble but then i got the “bob” thingy…. hahaha

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM54MKJEKQEP6GMWROBABKCTOI Larry M

    These bastards are afraid that once they start making all their cuts, the people will finally rise up against them like they did in middle-east. It’s a preemptive strike. God how I hate them.

  • Anonymous

    This may well be true, each with several segments. There is the right and the left, the furthest right being the ones who want to bring religious law, Sharia, abortion restrictions, prohibit gay marriage, blow up people you are pissed at, like maybe an abortion doctor or the world trade center standing for western ways, then there is the left, people of empathy who ask questions, who see themselves as their brother’s keeper, who can see that a corporation has no constitutional rights. Some are into log cabins, some smoke pot, some are watching the vagina monologs, but in essence it is true, there are two general forms of philosophy dominant on earth. Might it be the distinction between greed and generosity? Between empathy and lack thereof?

  • Anonymous

    Fiber bandwidth for all practical purposes is infinite. Switching and software are the limiting factors on the fiber backbone. The corporations can and will bleed the public financially for fiber connectivity if firm rules are not in place and enforced. Wireless is different. The use of proxy software at switch points needs to have rules. Proxy software can be used to filter and effectively jam traffic. The founders would support this because lack of net-neutrality threatens free speech.

  • Anonymous

    The “information highway” should be just like our other highways and taken out of private interest hands and maintained as part of the commons. It is now that vital to our infrastructure.

  • Anonymous

    The fascist neo-con right is for the Faketriot Act, Military Commissions Act, total surveillance and wants control over the internet. However, so is Mr. O and the Obots! This is extreme upside down world.

  • Guest

    Bullshit.

  • RottenJohnny

    Once again, the real masters of government – big business – demands that they control everything.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTnYCg8v8o Bamboo_Harvester

    eric kkkantor, You filthy little Fuckin beady eyed BLOOD SUCKER !

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    CAN’tor and the corporates can’t allow a free ‘net, it might bite them in a people’s revolt or an Anonymous cyber attack. Mustn’t have that, now.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTnYCg8v8o Bamboo_Harvester

    this is why repukes are against abortion

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDLMNDXUGUXAN5RADM4A5MZLZ4 Bstee

    The elimination of Net Neutrality will raise rates for users of the internet based upon what they are currently using it for. This would allow service providers to slow down your download speeds based upon what you use the internet for. In otherwords, your provider can say they are charging you $35/mo and you have access to 10 mbps FISO lines. but when you actually start using it if they see you are using it download movies, they could cut your speed to 250k and then offer you a “boost” to download your movie for a cost. Not because of congestion, but because…well they can. Being neutral means that regardless of what you use the internet for, you have access for the fastest speed you pay for at all times unless network traffic slows that. This Republican Plan (backed by cable operators) is seen as a big boost to their potential profits as it would let them charge more whenever you need it. Kind of like Enron controling California power in the 90′s only then it was considered bad when discovered, her Mr. Cantor is actually trying to make this happen. Be proud of that vote. It serves nobody but his donors. Disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    free enterprise is one thing. Being oppressed by corporations is another. The last thing in this world we need is our Internet at the beck and call of corporations who would manipulate it and us for their own profit

  • Anonymous

    Why bullshit? I did include the log cabin republicans. Who did I leave out? Do you think you do not fit anywhere in the spectrum of left to right?

  • Anonymous

    OK, I admit it, I’m a maroon: I still do not get the issue. In my mind, both sides are trying to screw the rest of us…
    Can someone enlighten?

  • DesertSun59

    This is what happens when non-IT elected Republicans simply don’t try to understand even the basics of how the Internet works.

  • Anonymous

    If we used carrier pigeons to “post” on RawStory”, these tories would pass a law saying their wings would have to be clipped.

  • http://www.petersaxemusic.com Peter Saxe

    If they want to “get government out of our lives and off our backs” then

    1) Stay out of Family Planning decisions
    2) Let go of the anti-Marriage Equality stance
    3) Let recreational drugs (at least pot) be de-criminalized
    4) Adopt full Net Neutrality, not this excuse that passes for it
    5) Stop pretending that The Separation Clause doesn’t exist

    The GOP likes big government when it benefits them, period!

  • Guest

    Lol, Nice fairytale…..now its time to wake up.

  • Guest

    Haha! Oh my god! Is that what you seriously think!? I’m crying here that’s so funny.

  • Anonymous

    What an intelligent and well reasoned response. Not saying I don’t agree.

  • Anonymous

    There is of course some deliberate fun in this, but the political spectrum is a continuum from left to right. Where the absolute extremities are is anybody’s guess, but most positions fall along that line somewhere. In what way would you suggest I have it wrong? Maybe they weren’t really watching the vagina monologs? Those who do may be toward the left of the spectrum and did not vote for John McCain. Would you suggest that the far right religious zealots of the Middle East are not the same end of the spectrum as the American zealots who blame homosexuals when there are hurricanes? Would you not see Eric Cantor as a zealot of both camps?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    The spark just might have been struck in Wisconsin; keep an eye out.

  • Anonymous

    Up is down here. Look what deregulation did to TV and radio. Hundreds of cable channels, nearly all owned
    by the same few companies. The result…shows on prison life etc. The rub here is that these conglomerates
    control the discussion – so the utter hypocrisy of the GOP “ignorance is strength” blather doesn’t get repeated
    enough and 30+ percent of the people are conditioned to support the “deregulation is god mantra”.
    The internet is a threat to the status quo so we’re in for it.

  • Guest

    It’s laughable to boil down liberal vs. conservative to people who have ampathy and people who have none. Empathy is a human condition that effects everyone but a very small percentage of pychopaths. A more realistic reduction of liberal vs. conservative is that conservatives tend to believe more in freedom and liberals tend to believe more in equality. I was a “liberal” when I was younger exactly because I had empathy – but that is before I grew up and started learning more about the overall picture. I’m a conservative now because I have empathy AND understanding. Living in two cities (flint and detroit) for about 10 years changed me forever.

    People are not born equal – it’s thier rights that must be equal. Everyone should get the same chances and live under the same laws. In this country the neucleus of law is the constitution. The founders knew a lot about human nature, economics, and oppression. The conditions that exist today for humans as a species are not that much different from humans in the 18th century – or even in ancient Rome. You cannot legislate away crime or bigotry. You can’t make everyone the same – by birth people come out poor, rich, white, black, male, female, healthy or ill.

    By and large we also enter the world more free or less free. Now as a conservative person I realize where my money is going in taxes and history of taxation in america – also that taxes depress growth and cause economic stagnation at best and oppression and enslavement at worse. Corporations, governments and the ultra rich often engage in illegal activities and conspiracy – the multinationals often don’t pay taxes and often can’t be prosecuted for wrongdoing. As we can both probably agree laws are written by and for these influential agents. The difference in our ideology, I think, is how we want to deal with issues. Liberals think that the government can be trusted with our money to enforce law and create equality. Conservatives generally know better.

  • Anonymous

    Empathy is only one element. Do you think John Boner has any empathy for the unemployed? I say not.
    I would take issue with you characterization of believing in freedom. The republicans, calling themselves conservative, seek to deprive you of your liberty by letting corporations take over. They do not vote the interests of the people, but of the corporations. Net Neutrality is a good example. They claim they want to deregulate, but their own regulation provided a position of power to the telecoms enabling them to charge you as much for internet as you pay for cable, but they provide no content. Deregulating banks did not increase your liberty, it just opened you up to fleecing.
    Some of us believe that we are our brother’s keeper, and that profiting by our fellow human’s illness is immoral.
    Some remember the words, “thou shalt not kill” and believe it. Yet no politician will say this, and our dozen or so wars go on, and they do not buy any liberty at all.
    The history of our parties is that while republicans talk about liberty, they are selling yours. Democrats regulate corporations, deregulate people.
    Who claimed people are equal? The stupid however are deserving of protection from being fleeced. Too bad we can’t save them from the people they vote for.
    It has been during the Bush years that we developed this problem with nobody respecting the law. Look at the example of what we thought was a presidential scandal before and after. Everything Nixon was fired for looked tame compared to what Bush did, yet there is not even a public discussion of it today. Clinton got prosecuted for enjoying a blow job. In the Bush years we torture people, and the “patriot act” deprives you of your liberty in the name of terror, and few speak up to call this wrong.

  • Anonymous

    People should have seen this coming..crush ACORN and Unions (Democratic base) and stop the ability for people to “organize” else where…(like Iran, China)..if it hadn’t been for face book…the Egyptian, Tunisian, etc. people would never have been able to get the word out, and organize against their oppressive Government/Dictator…and of course the Republicans/Corporations are all on board with that idea, control all the media..not just most of it….get rid of access to the Internet, crush the Democratic vote and they run the board, a permanent Republican majority…just like Karl Rove predicted…now do the morons who were a little miffed at the Democrats and wouldn’t get out to vote…get it…? You get GOP Nazis, permanently…just like some of us tried to tell you would happen..chances are a great many of you are still dumb enough, to do the same thing come 2012

  • Anonymous

    I think a third party is forming…working people

  • Guest

    We can agree on a great many things. But I believe my above assessment is still sound certainly more sound than your original assertion. I would like to remind you that for every John Boehner there is a Nancy Pelosi. It’s deplorable when Republicans re-authorized the unconstitutional patriot act provisions – just as it was unconstitutional when Democrats passed Obama Care. Both of these parties are corrupt – they’re a mere flavor difference in their over-reaching policies. They both loot us and send soldiers to commit murder and usurp commodities elsewhere in the world.

    I furthermore agree with you on Net Neutrality. We need no new law – especially one that specifically benefits wireless companies. It is my contention that we are getting fleeced from both wings of the same bird. The answer is not giving the government more power as I said before, That will just give them more authority to rip us off. We haven’t had a free-market economy in America for a long time – it’s misleading to blame conservative people and the notion that a free market caused the problem when it’s been around a long time and both political parties have contributed to it. The Central Bank and other powerful agencies issue currency to our leaders both democratic and republican and therefore hold a lot of sway in the types of polices pushed through.

    I am my brother’s brother. I will not advocate a tax on someone else to pay for him. But, in time of need he has my support. A bureaucracy that gets paid for each person it enrolls expands dependency. It’s quite simple. If you subsidize milk, or wheat, or electric cars – you get more of them. If you subsidize dependency – you get more of that too.

    In your original statement you made a ridiculous assertion about liberals and conservatives. I tried to clear that up a little for you. The above statement is political and not ideological in nature. Whereas I spoke to liberalism and conservativeism and the ideological differences between them – you came back with a republican vs. democrat argument which is like comparing apples to oranges. Liberals I assume are angry about what the democratic leadership has been doing. Conservatives are angry about what the Republican leadership has been doing. The key is to understand that distinction.

  • Guest

    Also just as a follow-up I’d like to challenge you on the assertion that “It has been during the Bush years that we developed this problem with nobody respecting the law”. If you look I think you might be able to see examples of this occurring prior to the Bush administration. And while I by no means am apologizing for Bush – I think that it’s not only naive but just plain lazy-minded to think that was the first administration or power-broker to disregard law.

  • parrots_abound

    Keep the Internet open and free or else you are going to see a shitstorm like never before. You do NOT want to screw with those of us who depend on it for our living.

    You’ve been warned.

  • parrots_abound

    Verizon will recoup the money by charging $30 dollars for their Chinese made phone chargers which cost about a dollar to make.

  • dk504

    Hey BONER, first it’s abortion, then you align yourself with the Gov. of Wisconson, you said jobs would be #1/

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS BONER?????????? fucktard

  • Buford2k11

    Do you think President Ho came here to help show our so-called government how to censor, and how to shut down the internet? Or maybe school the US on how to squash real anti-government protests. Iran in the spring anybody?

  • Guest

    No, I’m not easily compartmentalized for herding purposes, or otherwise. I have views that at times would seem diametrically opposed to one another. I’m a complicated person.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    That’s not the only thing the bastards are trying to quash. Look at what Boner is doing. If this ain’t a coup, it sure as hell looks like one, smells like one, sounds like one and feels like one:

    John Boehner increases chance of government shutdown

    The specter of a government shutdown grew exponentially Thursday when House Speaker John Boehner drew a hard line on government spending, promising to accept not even a temporary government-funding extension that doesn’t include serious cuts.

    The move triggered an immediate and fierce response from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who ramped up a cross-chamber fight Democrats have been waging against House Republicans for weeks over whether the GOP spending-cut demands could culminate in a shutdown on March 4, the date the government runs out of money.

    The firestorm was set off on Thursday when Boehner said he was “not going to move any kind of short-term [spending bill] at current levels.”

    “When we say we’re going to cut spending, read my lips: we’re going to cut spending,” Boehner declared to reporters in the Capitol.

    [...]

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49734.html#ixzz1ELddgmVo

  • Johnny Warbucks

    No, not quite. Here’s what he really came here for. Let’s thank WikiLeaks one again:

    Special report: China flexed its muscles using U.S. Treasuries

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110217/bs_nm/us_wiki_china_treasury#mwpphu-post-form

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Confidential diplomatic cables from the U.S. embassies in Beijing and Hong Kong lay bare China’s growing influence as America’s largest creditor.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Did he actually say that he/they would create jobs? These bastards are very tricky dicky, you know? Remember Papa Bush’s “read my lips, no more taxes” which quickly turned into “read my lips, no new taxes”? Well, they all went to the same school. He may have said jobs when he really meant to say “we’ll take your jobs” but y’all assumed he/they said they’ll give you some.

  • Anonymous

    no

  • Anonymous

    Republicans wish and are destroying our laws , constitution , bill of rights , laws and nation….
    They no longer need to need to follow any of our laws they make their own as they go along.
    Some democrats have found this to be any easy thing to do and are also helping themselves to the same type of policies.

  • Anonymous

    thanks fran. for nuthin.

  • Anonymous

    Oh good…only the very wealthy will have access, (and “the people” workers, will end up getting shafted in to paying for the rich to use it, some how)…just like every thing else the wealthy covet

  • Anonymous

    The Nazi party (aka republican party).

  • Anonymous

    All those who voted Republican have brought this, and everything else the right has done to the country.

  • Anonymous

    What is the point of putting fingers into the holes in the wall when the wall hes already been broken down?

  • Anonymous

    What is the point of putting fingers into holes in the wall when the wall has already been broken down?

  • Anonymous

    There’s also those who keep repeat their “no war” mantra, how they are against war all the time. Guess who keeps pushing for more war and invasions? the very same people.

  • Anonymous

    Corporate control=bad. It would be internet fascism. Independent sites would suffer being pinched off. The corps would favor their own sites, of course, by filtering the web traffic toward their sites There is talk of pricing tiers, more sites would become “premium”. Meaning it would cost more to see more. Basically the corps want to control pricing and content kind of how television is now.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, thanks….dont we the peeps own the airwaves too?
    I so get it and agree. I am a fellow anti-capitalist.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the FCC controls radio and broadcast TV. Well, I’m not total anti capitalism. There needs to be a happy balance, minus the corporate dictatorship that has taken over this country. Originally being from central NY I have seen the destruction that these big box stores can do to local businesses and the way they suck the life and character out of once proud towns. Can’t afford to compete against our business practices? Well, come be a slave for Wal Mart.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    I was watching SpongeBob…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    I’m ready to join. We need to ditch both Democrats and Republicans. They are two sides of the same coin. They are owned by the international banking cartels and the mega-corporations. They don’t represent the American people.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Democrats are soft. Republicans are hard.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    True – deregulation gives corporations the upper hand to rip us all off. Of course they are against regulation because it will criminalize their natural behavior.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Not true. I was working for companies involved in Internet development back in the day. It was funded by both government and private enterprise. But of course the companies stood to benefit by creating a market for more of their goods (computers). That’s why they invested in the Internet – to sell more computer hardware, software and services. My company, Digital Equipment Corporation, created the first email spam message on the Internet, trying to drum up sales for a new model computer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    You mean they haven’t yet gone over the top? Where is the goddamn top?!!!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with this. I think it is true for all of us. I even met union men who voted republican once. Which box did they belong in? That is why I say a continuum, because we slide back and forth along the line, but most have limits how far we will slide, and we have our prejudices like,”If Cantor is for it, it must be bad”.

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