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Military chaplain: Soldier’s rape ‘must have been God’s will’

By Sahil Kapur
Friday, February 18, 2011 12:35 EDT
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WASHINGTON – A lawsuit targeting the Pentagon contains an astonishing anecdote about a retired Sergeant’s experience after being sexually assaulted by a colleague during a deployment to Afghanistan.

The lawsuit, available here (PDF), was filed by 17 military women against Secretaries of Defense Robert Gates and Donald Rumsfeld in Virginia. It assails “the military’s repeated failures to take action in rape cases created a culture where violence against women was tolerated, violating the plaintiffs’ Constitutional rights.”

Sergeant Rebekah Havrilla alleges in the complaint that in 2006, after her military supervisor repeatedly sexually harassed her, she was raped by a colleague she was working with at the time.

“He pulled her into his bed, held her down, and raped her. He also photographed the rape,” it reads. Havrilla reported the incident within a month.

In February 2009, she reported for active duty training and, upon seeing her rapist, went into shock.

“She immediately sought the assistance of the military chaplain,” the lawsuit reads. “When SGT Havrilla met with the military chaplain, he told her that ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

The complains adds that “SGT Havrilla suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and chronic depression.”

Havrilla’s harrowing story, and the broader lawsuit, sheds light on the ongoing and widely reported problem of sexual assault in the military.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said it was “a command priority” to “ensure all of our service members are safe from abuse” and pledged to commit more resources to the goal.

“Sexual assault is a wider societal problem and Secretary Gates has been working with the service chiefs to make sure the U.S. military is doing all it can to prevent and respond to it,” Morrell told NBC News.

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  • Anonymous

    “When SGT Havrilla met with the military chaplain, he told her that ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

    What a total fucking asshole! I’ll just bet if I put a fist in his face he’d feel differently and have me prosecuted for picking on a fucking wimp!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rambotheshark Robin Cooper

    ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

    IF we replaced “God” with “Allah” and “church” with “Mosque” FOX news would rile up the troops about Sharia law taking over America.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder what this phony will think about God’s will when somebody shoves a bible up his ignorant ass.

  • Jaimie11

    “The complains adds that “SGT Havrilla suffers from” You mean “complaint”?

  • Anonymous

    Wow. God must be a HUGE asshole.

  • AnzaSummer

    As an atheist, I am I find it appalling that in a country that is supposed to have a separation of church and state, that the state would use it’s religion (lets face it, this is a belligerant Xtian nation) to bully the (can I use the word “victim”) complainant with smarmy platitudes. “God’s will” is a term I find so offensive it makes me want to scream. If these things were your god’s will, you worship a terrible, horrible and evil deity.

  • I. M. Agoste

    Lovely. Maybe he’d think differently if he were to be forced into playing a game of hide the salami with some guy bigger than him.

  • Anonymous

    Republicans hate women. They hate their mothers, their daughters. their sisters.

    I truly think the Republicans obession with homosexuality has something latent about it.

    Republicans are Koch-suckers. If you don’t believe me ask the Koch brothers.

    Only the Koch brothers know how good Clarence Thomas and Antonio Scalia are at Koch-sucking. I think it shows in the Supreme Court rulings.

  • Anonymous

    just that loving god who happens to hate everybody who is not a white male.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EHJJXSTSSOCXLTSQBUVIDYUF7M Dave

    The military is a perverted institution.

    You (both men and women) are not thinking very clearly if you have anything to do with it.

  • ghostof911

    But you will have a solid defense. You can claim that it was God’s will for you to put your fist in his face.

  • ghostof911

    George W might have a bone to pick with you.

  • Ron1127

    What else was he going to say seeing as how it was god’s will that the chaplain abused young boys?

  • Anonymous

    rape the chaplain… it is the will of god. do it three times and make one for the will of moses and the other the will of allah.

  • ghostof911

    But Little Georgie might have a bone to pick with you about that.

  • ghostof911

    But that’s one of the perks for joining the ministry.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/vatican-gay-sex-scandal

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps if you raped him instead, he’d understand that it was God’s will.

  • Anonymous

    I would really like to find out. I wish someone would do it.

  • Anonymous

    Obvy. Have you read the Wholly Babble? Totes pervy. Every other page is somebody bashing somebody else’s brains out because they’re living in the wrong place, or were rude to some obnoxious old guy. Sheesh.

  • ghostof911

    If the preznit uses that line, why can’t the chaplain?

    President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq…

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm

  • gypski®

    His statement just proves that religion or its promoters are more bullshit artists then spiritual advisers.

  • Anonymous

    You mean “appalling,” but I knew that. Yes, the god of the Judaeo-Christians is indeed a terrible, horrible, evil deity, as William Blake discovered two centuries ago. He used to say that the Christian god, the AllFather, was, in reality, Nobodaddy, the Father of None. An evil deity who celebrated the sacrifice of children and the killing of the innocent.

  • ghostof911

    Try using that “God’s will” bullshit on the pigs next time you get busted for smoking a joint.

  • Anonymous

    hey, anza, the word is ‘appalling’ not the interestingly mis-spelled ‘uphauling.’

    as voltaire wrote, “the opposite of religion is not atheism; it is spirituality. flip through the whole bible or quran and put your fingertip down anywhere… there are perhaps 3 or 4 spiritual items…

    my favorites? john’s very mystic-occult “in the beginning was the word” (bill burroughs asked “in the beginning of what, exactly?” and schopenhauer, “in the beginning of the word was the letter.”) and the line from mr. christ, “ye were all as god’s once.’

    other than these, just a lot of begats and thou shalt nots…

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I guess it was gods will, … “BUT HE LOVES YOU!”

    George Carlin

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’

    “All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.”

    They can just say it was God’s will.

  • Anonymous

    If the raped female had some big brothers, maybe they would like to take a crack at you.

    I hear God is for equal opportunity.

  • parrots_abound

    BREAKING NEWS****

    Invisible Sky Lord puts stamp of approval on rape.

    MORE @ 11:00

  • Anonymous

    Do you think if the chaplain’s mother or sister were raped, he would tell them it was god’s will?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q7G2NHLD62L3CDU7VHFZ4QPVQM Unknown

    I hope God wills for you to sodomized by a pack of wild Dogs. You ignorant uncompassionant sh-t for brains little moron.

    Signed,
    – The Great Unknown

  • Guest

    The Tea Bag Republicans tried to do just that by redefining rape.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    And they have no idea what comments the founding Fathers have toward that sensless tome and the religions that tout it.
    “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.” – Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

    “Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
    all over the earth.” – Thomas Jefferson

  • Guest

    I had similar thoughts.

    How about I shove a penile projectile like, oh say a bottle rocket up his anus and scream Hallelujah!

    Definitely Gawd’s will.

  • Ignatzfattis

    Wow -God must be a real Jerk. Frankly, I would have blamed the rapist myself.

  • Anonymous

    It WAS God’s will, if one believes as most Christians do, that God has a plan for your life.

    I am not a believer any longer for that and many other reasons!!

  • Anonymous

    But it IS. I am always told by Christians that God has a plan for my life.

  • http://skulzstudios.com/ don nash

    Who the fuck is this “military chaplain?” The dumb-ass NEEDS to be summarily given the boot from US military.
    C’mon RawStory, get this asshat’s name!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I mean, have you met his followers?

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps Havrilla should have a lesson in empathy by some one raping him! Then let him say it was gods will. That sounds an awful lot like the catholic priests in the late 50′s and 60′s! If a wife was being abused by her husband it was always her fault and she should be a better wife and then she won’t get beat! This guy should not be in his position if he can’t advise and advise appropriately. He is an ass and useless in his position. I hope these women get their just dues and I hope they at the very least, make things difficult for rumsfeld and friends

  • Anonymous

    I read this article and can’t even find the words to voice my indignation.

    I’m surprised the Chaplin didn’t blame the way she dressed.

  • Ignatzfattis

    And don’t forget Muslims too -it’s exactly the same guy, you know, playing the part of God in Judism, Christianity and Islam -his perported additude is pretty consistant in each one too.

  • Anonymous

    **Well, at least that rapist wasn’t gay.

  • Anonymous

    Transitively, it must be God’s will that Wall Street steals are homes, savings and careers while continuing to collect bonuses…get over it

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UAYWWQ6PIS523OZNUGILXEGOPU Patty

    He must be fired IMMEDIATELY. As a woman with three daughters, this is an outrage. How many times have we been subjected with messages like this from so called ‘Religious leaders’? From the Catholic Church’s relocating sevual deviants to asswipes like this. Enough is enough.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry that many of you have so much bitterness and resentment toward Republicans and think Democrats are so much better. Do you really believe that one party has more solutions than the other? In regards to the chaplain (whos message may have been misunderstood by this poor girl or lost in translation – and if it wasn’t the man’s an idiot for saying what he did), do you really think that one person can serve as a true representative for an entire group of people? Why do we have to classify ourselves or others as “Republicans” and “Democrats” anyway? You’re being fooled if you think that either party as a whole cares one bit about you. If there are 25 honest politicians in Congress I would be shocked! Why do you insist on putting your hope in any man, regardless of his political affiliation? Man is inherently sinful! You are only setting yourself up to be let down!

    So keep on making sarcastic comments about Republicans and Tea Party members while you wallow in dellusions that your Democratic party is the answer; I feel sorry for many of you. I really do. The Republican/Democrat paradigm is so destructive for our country.

    In addition, I hope you wake up to the truth and realize that the very things many of you speak out so passionately against (stereotyping, hatred, racism, sexism) you so blatently display in your comments!

    It’s easy to post negative and sarcastic comments online on a board full of like-minded individuals – but is it really accomplishing anything?

    The only purpose of my post is to provide perspective from an outsider looking in. Please don’t take this as disrespectful or demeaning. I used to be in the same boat as many of you. You don’t have to live like this.

  • mjcc1987

    Since 2006, Republicans have re-defined rape and this is now categorized as “allegedly” mildly hostile. Teabagger finds this anti-christian and pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-union socialism and will defund any investigations of white christian male alleged allegations.

  • Eyeball_Kid

    If you DO put your fist in his face, you can tell him that it, too, was God’s Will.

  • Anonymous

    Join the Army.

    Travel to exotic lands.

    Meet interesting people.

    Kill them.

    Kill other soldiers.

    Kill and rape civilians.

    Rape your fellow soldier.

    Get paid shit.

    What fun!

  • Anonymous

    Please, say it ain’t so! Men of the cloth have no right to claim some sort of special moral authority.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    1 out of 3 women in the armed forces is sexually assaulted. It is a big problem that needs to be addressed.

  • Anonymous

    It’s also God’s will that this chaplain’s ignorance should be overridden and that justice is served on earth.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BRFWNCTTN4GI6JTDUNV7AZ3WWM annalisa

    That chaplain seems unfamiliar with the Bible. God condemns adultery and fornication, as well as rape. Even in the old Testament. So, it cannot be “God’s will” that someone be raped.

  • dk504

    I would very much like to know where that chaplain is based this very minute. I have a few choice missives I’d like to let him to know how Jesus felt about such heinous acts. I would let him know in the strongest ways and means possible, that would be God’s will.

    This was one of the reasons daddy would not allow me to join the Armed Services when I was 20. He knew what would happen to me. I didn’t get to serve my country because the Commanders won’t put a stop to marauding dogs out & about doing what ever they want. Including rape and torture of their peers. One of my greatest regrets, but I knew he was right.

  • kiboshki

    “God’s will” is just the term that intellectually lazy false-Christians use to excuse their own shortcomings and justify the sick evils they wish on others

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=530821179 Risa Bear

    The acronym “GI” stands for “Government Issue,” meaning that a soldier is property of Uncle Sam. Deliberate destroying or impairing military resources in time of war borders on treason in law — see under NCIS for murder cases, for example. Let’s initiate a movement to explicitly equate military-on-military rape as treason — might shine a different light on these scumbags and their aiders and abettors.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but this false equivalency you are making doesn’t hold much water. There are real differences in the 2 parties. If cant see that, then I question the sincerity of your post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Save your sympathy. When Republicans support making it easier for corporations to pollute the air and water, and Democrats want to prevent them from doing so, don’t the former deserve sarcasm? When right-wing Christians say things like “the rape must have been God’s will” and “global warming can’t be true because God said he’d never flood the earth again,” and “the jury’s still out on evolution,” don’t those comments deserve to be attacked for the nonsense that they are?

    Yes, I think the Democrats are better, in the sense that they more often act out of regard for the majority of citizens, and the Republicans so often act in support of the richest 2%, corporations, and fundamentalist bigots.

    I never encounter racism or sexism in the comments of progressives; where did you get that idea? Oh, right: Fox Propaganda Inc.

    As for harsh reactions to Conservative extremism, I can only say: the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

    When we exercise free speech, conservatives call us haters. When we use the ballot box to elect Democrats, they call it tyranny. We’re not the ones stoking public fear with lies about Sharia law coming to America. We don’t lie about community organizers stealing elections. We don’t call teachers in a Union “free-loading parasites.”

    That’s conservative talk. And I will attack it with all the sarcasm I can muster.

    How about YOU wake up to the truth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    Always a silver lining!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PCRNBMCPGAOEFGLTXYZVLQ2QPA Razi Masoud

    It’s probably God’s will for Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney to go to jail and probably executed like Saddam

    TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME DUMBASS!

  • Anonymous

    AND SO IS ABORTION
    Now STFU

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    The day I encountered a couple who had just lost an infant son being told that it was God’s will, that they must have done something for which He was punishing them by taking their child, was the day I vowed never to enter a Church again.

  • Anonymous

    Your post may seem trite but it’s not. Where does a bunch of GOP men tell woman what to do with their bodies? And who cares what the guys across the street & the women down the block do in their own beds .
    ?

  • Guest

    a few words for this chaplain the next time he feels like offering anyone advice, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ahhebUoRg

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t say perverted. Definitely dysfunctional in a lot of cases. While working at a FSC, one of our MSWs told me that most females that join have been abused either physically, sexually or mentally before they join. They seek out a dysfunctional organization to belong to that will bring them attention. The shit heads who abuse these girls need to face the most severe punishment afforded by the UCMJ.

  • Anonymous

    Can you imagine if they had a war and nobody showed up?

  • Anonymous

    God’s Will. Ooooh, now I know what the G.W. in G.W. Bush really stands for. It must have been God’s Will that a Dick was chosen to be vice-president. It must have been God’s Will that all the warning signs of an imminent domestic terrorist attack should be blown off and close to three thousand U.S. citizens should die on 9/11. It must have been God’s Will that a war based on lies should be started in March 2003, costing countless lives and trillions of dollars. It must have been God’s Will that federal disaster aid and personnel should be withheld from the flooded New Orleans and Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina made landfall, while it must have also been God’s Will that Alabama and Mississippi (similarly hit by Katrina but with Republican governors) should receive all the federal aid diverted from Louisiana and New Orleans. It must have been God’s Will that federal regulations and regulators should be neutered so that Wall Street gamblers could run wild, almost crashing the U.S. and world economies in 2008. And even though G.W. Bush has left office (taking his Dick with him), it must be God’s Will that no investigations and prosecutions of all the conservative criminals in the previous Bush/Cheney administration should occur.

    Or maybe not. Maybe God had nothing at all to do with these atrocities (but George Walker Bush did). And maybe this military chaplain along with so many other “blind leading the blind” conservatives, a chaplain who claims to be Christian, has absolutely no clue what God’s Will really is, nor any clue about Jesus Christ and what he was really teaching. Sociopathic-psychopathic conservatives never do.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I agree but blame religion as the root of all evil in most situations.

  • Anonymous

    We need freedom from the “autonomous intelligent energy” believers and proseltyzers. Basing any laws or authority on their delirium is insane. The genius of our republic was law based on secular reason and human consent. Religion was consigned to a personal activity, rightly so. Pray all you want but keep out of my way.

  • PrissyPatriot®

    Sickening as it is, this is the weird view of so many a military Chaplin The ones I’ve met look at most women as whores of little moral value and there are few who don’t. He needs to be busted down and thrown out of the military as an example for the rest…

  • http://www.bradleyfarless.com/ Brad F.

    Last time I was deployed, a girl got raped. The offender was punished immediately for it though. There was no messing around, or checking to see what the chaplain thought about it, like his opinion matters in a case like this anyway.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Apparently, the good chaplain hasn’t read his own book of voodoo. Had he done that, he would have known that his god, indeed, endorse rape.

    Deuteronomy 21:11-14

    21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

    21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

    21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

    21:14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife.”

    Numbers 31:17-18

    “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

    Revelation 2:22-23

    Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.”

    Judges 19:24-25

    “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.”

  • jimbo92107

    FYI: The preferred method of strangling a king is with the entrails of a priest. Good way to get yourself free, and absolutely it’s God’s will.

  • Guest

    So well articulated!

    I wish I could “Like” you multiple times.

    Thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/runningtindera Running Tindera

    i hope that fucking chaplain gets his dicked chopped off and someone tells him its god’s will. what a fucking hypocrite and idiot.

  • cannotvote

    God has a lot to answer for – this is almost as bad as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFvfW3Pai0
    Some religions have become a supreme negative, and it’s proponents are just about everywhere, including zealots and zionists in our own military. Kinda makes you wonder who Jesus would bomb, let alone separation of church and state –
    Onward christian soldiers marching as to war,
    with the xross of Jesus going on before.
    Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle see His banners go!

    …. fucking retards!

  • Anonymous

    Deuteronomy reads like- “It puts on the lotion.”

  • maritimer

    Typical chaplain. I have not met one, one! who was anything more than a worthless bag of skin.

  • Anonymous

    Hence the reason religion is so evil at its very root! Sad and sad that women are still 2nd class citizens in claiming their rights even when serving their country.

  • Anonymous

    Religion in the sense that it is too often displayed today – YES! But true fellowship with God – NO! Unfortunately many people today can’t see Christ because of all the “Christians.”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    This story is unbelievably devoid of anything other than spin.

    First of all, she claims she accuses one guy of harassment, then another of rape, which she doesn’t report for weeks (evidently).

    Then, the out of context, one sided tale of the meeting with the priest is so ridiculous that it is obvious. During the course of a counseling session (whether about a death, illness rape, etc) I can’t imagine that a priest WOULDN’T say something to the effect of “God works in mysterious ways” or “have faith that God has a plan” or “sometimes we don’t understand God’s will”.

    I guess if I’m going to worry about overly religous people in the military, I’m going to be a little more concerned with Muslim extremists like Nidal Malik Hasan that KILLED 13 people and wounded 29 more in the name of Allah than about a priest who offered grief counseling to someone who came to him and ASKED for his thoughts/opinions.

  • AnzaSummer

    Thanks for the spelling correction. It’s just that sometimes these people get my panties in a bunch and my brain rebels.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like Mark Foley should be allowed to come back and Larry Craig is correct looking for sex in men’s rooms. Yes the God the Church worships excepts raping of woman/children/children with the blessing. How far will these people take Religion before someone speaks up. At lease the Foreign Countries can see why they shouldn’t follow any US religious groups with those values. But those are the same values of Republican/Tea Party and even Democrats who use God’s Name for votes. Rep. Chris Lee is just another example of American Christian Family Values. What’s funny is how American talks about Muslims and other religions. No wonder many more Americans don’t follow the religious groups. Looks like the green light is now given for female soldiers to be raped and the Top Brass approve.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bailey/1083393808 Peter Bailey

    In a just celestial kingdom this god guy willed her leg to suddenly kick the jerk between the legs. Oops. God’s will. Again. Oops. Again. Oops. Repeat as needed.

  • Anonymous

    CONTACT THE MILITARY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOUNDATION

    militaryreligiousfreedom.org and find out if the Military Chaplain is “legally” saying something like…

    “IT’S ALRIGHT TO RAPE ATHEISTS.”

    and what can be legally do about that……………………

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bailey/1083393808 Peter Bailey

    A large family edition, crossways.

  • Anonymous

    Hence the reason religion is evil and should be left behind as the antique it is.

  • Anonymous

    - Sir, even from the broad generalizations in your first several statements I can see we have a fundamental difference of opinion. However, I sense a mocking tone in your writing towards certain groups that you disagree with, a tone that I did not taken in my post. Clearly my post offended you or stirred up anger and for that I sincerely apologize. But please consider this: You have merely taken brief sentence fragments; ie “the rape must have been God’s will” and “global warming can’t be true because God said he’d never flood the earth again” and “the jury’s still out on evolution” from certain groups and hypothesized that anyone within the “right-wing Christian” group MUST agree with those talking points. Granted, I’m sure you have heard one or more people say statements such as these…but please don’t make every person who thinks differently from yourself guilty by association! And the label “right-wing Christian” is just another media contrived term being used to pit individuals within this country against each other. Don’t fall for it! We don’t all have to be grouped together – each person is an individual!

    “Yes, I think the Democrats are better, in the sense that they more often act out of regard for the majority of citizens, and the Republicans so often act in support of the richest 2%, corporations, and fundamentalist bigots.”

    - Sir, this is your opinion. I think you missed the point of my first post in that our current two party system really does have but one agenda – take your money and make you a slave to the government! You keep speaking in terms of Democrat/Republican – it’s how we’ve been trained to process and categorize information.

    “I never encounter racism or sexism in the comments of progressives; where did you get that idea? Oh, right: Fox Propaganda Inc.”

    - Sir, there are many instances of racism and sexism on this board – mainly displayed when posters show their passionate disdane for white (racism) males (sexism). But as a white male I do not take offense to any hatred – I am what I am regardless the color of my skin. I don’t have to be labeled or lumped into a group. I am an individual. So are you.

    I think your criticism of Fox News is hardly original and I would ask that you don’t associate me with that network in any way. Perhaps I haven’t made myself clear enough by denouncing the Republican/Democrat paradigm – it appears to me that you keep trying to fit me into a specific group of people based on the preconceived notions you have about people who may disagree with you.

    “As for harsh reactions to Conservative extremism, I can only say: the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.”

    - Sir, I’m not sure what you mean by Conservative extremism – or more precisely what definition you are imploring. In my experience, extreme anything typically leads people down the wrong path, but I don’t remember bringing up Conservatism extremism in my post. Please clarify so we can discuss further.

    “When we exercise free speech, conservatives call us haters. When we use the ballot box to elect Democrats, they call it tyranny. We’re not the ones stoking public fear with lies about Sharia law coming to America. We don’t lie about community organizers stealing elections. We don’t call teachers in a Union “free-loading parasites.”

    - Sir, I wish you didn’t have to refer to yourself as a “we.” You are an individual with a mind that can think for itself and I think you know that your blanket statements may apply to a few people but not everyone that may be of a “conservative” mindset. The way the media has taught us to segment ourselves and attack each other is utterly dispicable.

    I appreciate your response to my post but still implore you to break away from labels, grouping and hating ideas that are different.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bailey/1083393808 Peter Bailey

    Several thousand years ago, some mental case among a tribe of pastoralists in the desert made up a story of a vengeful god that he felt explained all of his twisted feelings of rage, jealousy, lust, greed and everything else about the world. Why are we stuck with the same garbage today?
    Was it Emperor Constantine who said he liked christianity, wanted to make it the state religion because, “It’s perfect, it’s the religion of slaves.”
    Holds true today, and that’s the answer.
    The main message throughout is: Do Not Think For Yourself, because if you really thought about religion you’d reject all formal ones because every one of them is a power structure to maintain control over populations, nothing else. This story is just another example strengthening the theory.

  • Anonymous

    I ain’t goin that far….

  • http://twitter.com/ladymaldonna Lady Maldonna

    Yes, how weird that she wouldn’t report it. I mean, I totally would have if that was the kind of response raped women get. Oh wait, no I wouldn’t, being victimized once is plenty. And your one incident doesn’t measure up to the hundreds of rapes that aren’t being reported in the military because this is what happens when they are reported. This is not a new problem, it’s only just now being acknowledged and it’s bigger than one chaplain.

  • David R Velasquez

    This confirms my hunch that military rapes are being sanctioned and encouraged by evangelicals in the military’s officer ranks. They won’t be happy unless everyone in the military is christian, heterosexual …and male.

  • David R Velasquez

    I wonder if officer fragging is also ‘God’s will’?

  • Anonymous

    I assume then he would agree that all abortions are also God’s will. Makes as much sense. [You could extend this to say that ALL crime is God's will.]

  • Anonymous

    Wow. Rapists have NO place serving in the American Military. Our armed services would be better off if every one of them was found and drummed out with a dishonorable discharge.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Uh, you have more than one loose screw.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Thanks, Brad. We need to hear that sometimes someone does the right thing. Peace to you.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I think that chaplain needs some time alone in a cell with a few guys who haven’t had sex in years. Whatever happens will be God’s will.

  • Anonymous

    Huh, I think you jumped track there… I get you’re point, but I don’t go for that either.

  • Anonymous

    We’ve come a long way baby……NOT!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Anonymous

    Is this a form letter?

  • Anonymous

    God has a lot to answere for… love it.

  • Anonymous

    “When SGT Havrilla met with the military chaplain, he told her that ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

    It’s the Christian Stupid.

  • Anonymous

    A military chaplain. Ha ha ha ha ha. That goes real well with “military intelligence.”

  • Anonymous

    Have we ever heard so many idiots speak out , as there has been in the past 15 plus years.
    Anyone believing this BS which is coming from these so-called religious right wing extremist nuts , have to be …………

  • Anonymous

    i’m a guy and they even get my panties in an uproar. they’re seriously
    ‘uphauling.’ actually, ‘downhauling’ a basket bound for hell… sheesh, how
    did i get here? mo potantly, how do i get outta here?

  • Anonymous

    We need to start prosecuting God and his organization for his crimes. If we can’t get God himself, we should at least go after his subordinates. Let’s start with this chaplain who admitted God was behind this rape.

  • Daerice

    Cool, The American Military: making women into atheists, one rape at a time….

  • Schmice

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. It was the Lord’s will that she be raped. She needs to attend Church more often in order to praise the Lord whose will it was that she be raped. What am I missing here?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    Well good, that means that when the chaplain is anally raped, he will be told that it was God’s will. He will not be able to press charges. God wouldn’t like it.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    You are missing nothing. Some other people are missing a few brain cells.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    YOu do not know what rape is. If you are ever raped you WILL know. Until then, shut up.

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    Excellent point.

  • Ma’at

    So if someone breaks into this dipshit’s house, rapes his wife and children while he watches and then beats him to death with a tire iron after they drive nails through his eyes … it’s god’s will?

    Hey Chaplain, fuck you and your god.

  • Anonymous

    Was this a Catholic Priest ????? What ever donmiation he was I hope he bunks with “Bubba” in the brig

    …it was gods will ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Your God likes rape too!?

  • Jaimie11

    It’s as bad as “the state wills it”. Both despicable.

  • Anonymous

    Remember Mary?

  • Anonymous

    What denomination ordained this moral cripple ?

    Anybody know ?

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    If that quote is True, that is no “Christian” Chaplain! The Bible warns in many places there will be people thinking they’re Christian, calling themselves Christian, thinking they’re doing the works of Christ, thinking they’re going to Heaven, but they’ll be stopped at the door for being frauds and imposters.

  • Jaimie11

    All of these reflect very old human customs – some are still in practice today in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan, etc. This was pretty common across the globe – not just among Hebrews – it’s a slice of all our history.

    Too bad military chaplains still think it’s good to go. He must not be around people much.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The Buybull is nothing but a history book. The idiots have taken it as something that it’s not but, then again, that’s what mental defective humanoids do to themselves. Humanity will never be able to move forward until the day we shed all this vodoo and superstition.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3WYAWTN4LJ2TAZGFCL3U4H6AWM TheGuru

    Yes, “I ran over the little kid in my driveway…G-d’s will” George Carlin. What a idiot!

  • Jaimie11

    I guess you have never talked to a woman who has been raped. There are all sorts of taboos that come down on her head once she’s been raped. Mostly guilt, not real guilt, but imposed guilt, and fear she will be disbelieved, and/or punished for speaking up. The there are the thoughts of keeping it to herself – that way the fear of the unknown consequences of speaking up will subside. But, she has a responsibility to report, to prevent this from happening again. But she knows she will suffer if she reports. And it takes another week to get it together.

    And you accuse her of lying now? I hope no woman in your life ever suffers like this brave woman has.

  • Jaimie11

    Wow! That is a leap – the US government is using trumped up rape charges to attempt to bring down a guy who believes that transparency of government could bring an end to war when the people get to see what really goes on. The women in the Assange case were not charging him with rape, a hyped up prosecutor with ties to the CIA is pressing charges.

    Juries are skeptical? No, they are prejudiced. The truth is that fewer than two percent of rape charges are bogus, but men, some women, and too many juries believe the lie you repeated. You might want to reconsider.

  • Jaimie11

    If some women are masochists and want to be beaten, when you oblige them are you not committing a crime?

  • Anonymous

    I’ve always wondered about that “immaculate” conception! I guess it is if a priest does it.

  • Anonymous

    - No Sir it is not.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, there are bad arrests and convictions, and executions that should not have happened. But that should no longer be the case when DNA evidence is honestly tested.

    And we are talking about rape which is not a death penalty offense, and which is steeped in misinformation and false assumptions.

    If you’re interested you could look this site over. http://www.rainn.org/statistics

  • Anonymous

    This is what we get when theofascists take over the military. Falwell and Robertson started this treason in the ’70s: “Hey, I hate libruls, minorities, women, queers and the gubmnt…I must be a christian!”

  • Anonymous

    This story points out one of the more glaring problems of believing in god. Isn’t all his will?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Since God does not exist, the issue is moot.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Not a priest unless a boy was involved.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Yes, let them be born so we can kill them in endless wars, which only serve the purpose of making money.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Twisted logic.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    And probably the chaplain’s too.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Religion discredits itself by its mere existence. Yes indeed, a relic of the Dark Ages.

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    And the LORD said to Satan, Where are you coming from? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
    And the LORD said to Satan, Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and avoids evil?
    Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Does Job fear God for nothing?
    Have not you made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
    But put out your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.
    And the LORD said to Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; but don’t touch him. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
    And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house:
    And there came a messenger to Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
    And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.
    While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and has burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.
    While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
    While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Your sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house:
    And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, (tornado) and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.
    Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
    And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return there: the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
    In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
    Job 1

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    I am sorry if I came off as insensitive to the crime of rape. I certainly didn’t mean to. My comment was directed at the storyline. I know that a person is tremendously traumatized by such an horrible event, but I also know that people falsely accuse people as well. I have no way of knowing whether her story is true or not, and neither does anyne else besides her and the accused. I don’t mean to sound callous, but had she had a rape kit done immediately, there would be no question.

    Again, my critique was more about the article which clearly didn’t raise ANY issues regarding her credibility but took the chaplains comments totally out of context and only told what she SAID he said.

    I hope she is as brave as you assume she is, but in the world today, when lawsuits can result in millions of dollars, book deals, and release from tough contracts, I don’t assume anything. That’s what courts are for.

  • Anonymous

    The people is pure porn, violence, and sado-masochism. Why has it not been banned from libraries yet?

  • Anonymous

    Comments like this from Christian ministers, military and civilian, might help explain why thousands of American women are turning to Islam each year.

  • Mr. Neutron

    9/11 must have been Allah’s will.

  • Anonymous

    why does christianity not have blasphemy prosecutions. How could original christians not take offense. Why is the defense industry being allowed to define the faith

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3UCCVJLY2IDSIWFBPERONRYTQ4 Linda S

    And white.

  • surgethis

    That Chaplin should have his nuts kicked in as it would undoubtedly be gods will. Religion is so great when it comes to answering the really big questions … Heroin is good at that also.

  • Anonymous

    Why does it matter?????

  • Anonymous

    Constantine and the Council of Nicea did it originally.

    That religion has been nothing but plagiarism from the myths and legends of ancient cultures, widely used to justify the evils of man and blame man’s will on that of a scapegoat deity.

    That’s religion for ya.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPG3NI43FO7VPW4BHR6CPJFQQ4 foodoo

    It is not God’s will for people in the US military to be raped.

    It is actually God’s will for US military to kill dark skinned foreigners.

    See how much more sense that message makes?

    The Chaplain needs to stay on message, but I can
    see on how he can get confused about doling
    out God’s blessings on violent crime

  • Anonymous

    Please learn not about the words in the bible, but how they came into being.
    Please learn not that God is the truth, but the truth about the concept of God
    Please learn not another man’s words attributed to God but that which your heart teaches and that no man could ever put into words.

    The Bible: words of man (including plagiarized stories from ancient cultures) attributed to a perception.

  • DesertSun59

    Is this chaplain a secret Muslim? I’m not being facetious.

    Muslims in Iraq believe that everything that happens to them, their family, or their country is the will of Allah.

    The above statement came out of the mouth of a Marine I talked with who fought in Fallujah.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    “Separation of church and state” says who?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Christianity is not a monarchy. It is open to those who want to be saved, be they genuine, fraudulent, intelligent, or foolish. It is open to human beings and as such, those who claim for themselves the label “Christian” can be peaceful followers of Christ or they can be evil frauds.

    I am a Christian and I take unspeakable offense at this man’s behavior and his use of God to meet his ignorant, harmful ends. You would be surprised at how many Christians take offense at behavior like this, but since our voices are not parroted by media and finger-pointed by atheists, you won’t hear us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    No, that’s human nature for you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Reading the comments on this article makes one thing obvious: with or without religion, human beings are a violently vindictive lot. Just look at all of the people here who are reflexively resorting to violence as an answer. The violence and bigotry is not from God, they are from man. The chaplain, like any other human, is woefully prone to acting on his own whims rather than the commands of God or the teachings of Christ.

    Is your intent to convince Christians or to simply make yourselves feel superior? If the answer is the latter, then pat yourselves on the back and reenter the increasingly contentious world you’ve helped perpetuate. If the answer is the former then use the words and life of Jesus Christ as proof that His was a ministry that preached non-violence and love.

  • David R Velasquez

    I probably would have thrown that in except that I know corporate oligarchs and evangelicals have no problems with minorities dying in droves for their interests.

  • Anonymous

    Rape him with a baseball bat.

  • Jaimie11

    I meant you in the generic, not you canadaeh. So, the question still stands, because the implication you put forth was that if a woman has a role in her own abuse, the abuser may be perceived as innocent, and even her victim.

    You see what I’m saying?

    My point is that if a woman does instigate her own abuse, not all that common, her abuser still has the option of walking away and not indulging her, of not allowing himself to be induced to commit a crime. That is – both parties are responsible and should be held so.

  • David R Velasquez

    Wow,… lol, …good one! Gotta remember that argument.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    “Religion” is not evil. PEOPLE are evil and evil people will twist ANYTHING to serve their ends.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Did God do this or did a chaplain do this? This argument is the exact same nonsense that people use to justify our aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq: because some people attacked the US on 9/11 we will attack others who we claim inspired or aided the attack.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Hatred and ignorance is a two-way street and you prove that splendidly Johnny.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    The laws and values of our republic were based on Christian values. Even Richard Dawkins acknowledges this. No amount of euphemism will deny this in the minds of those who are not blinded by your anti-religious bigotry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    You’re absolutely right: God had nothing whatever to do with these atrocities. It’s unfortunate that atheists enjoy using these logical fallacies instead of arguing in ways that just may work: that this evil is absolutely in opposition to the teachings of Christ. Unfortunately this thread proves that it is HUMAN nature to maliciously attack those who are different.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Two differing evils doesn’t necessarily mean we have to pick one over the other.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Idiocy like this gets us nowhere.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Yeah, no kidding. The presence of rapists can be demoralizing for a gang of murderers.

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    I believe that. Read Revelation 18. It describes, circumstantially, what happened on 9/11. Allah is God in Arabic as Dieu is God in French

  • Dakotahgeo

    I favor Roman candles myself… they’re prettier!

  • Dakotahgeo

    You need to understand that the military itself is responsible for the type of Chaplains they hire. Most MCs are stoic ultraconservative religious christians who consider women and children as chatel, this is, mere property for their personal use. A person’s lack of sympathy and empathy has more to do with their getting hired than any other aspect. Is it any wonder that the military is so screwed up?
    Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    The Bible is called “The Good Book” for a good reason, but knowing God is a Life experience and knowledge can be gained from many books.

    Personally, I understand the Spirit in the letter in the last words of the Gospel of John 21:25,

    And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

  • Dakotahgeo

    AndersonOne, put a cork in it. You’re a sweet-sounding conservative military person who is only defending your lifestyle. You also speak only for yourself and a few other self-righteous fools. I usually don’t give people like you the time of day, but your posts really deserved something “special.” You aren’t even close to having a Christian outlook. You’re more like the American christian Taliban, working towards a theocratic government. Sorry, but THAT jus’ ain’t gonna happen, no matter how many T-bagger/Repugs you force into office. I’ve dealt with your kind all my life in the church. Phoney!
    Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain

  • Dakotahgeo

    I think you have it slightly wrong! Many people today can’t see Christ because of all “you” christians!

  • Anonymous

    the American Taliban comfort squad hard at work.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry to see that you may not have gotten the gist of my post (Brain Fan did however). Above all, the goal of both parties in power (well, government in general for that matter) is to take your money and make you a slave to the government. When you accept that truth you will be free from believing in this Republican/Democrat paradigm that has so many fooled.

  • Dakotahgeo

    sociosam, I just wished that more people understood your words. A “Christian” minister is called to be a servant, and a shepherd of God’s people. We are no better nor no worse than anyone else, HOWEVER… more is asked of us as set-apart people. I’ve lost faith in most denominations long ago and and convinced that any relationship with Christ is a personal one, which IF I am asked, will assist in their growth. If I am not asked, I will not indulge in browebeating anyone. This is not what I am called to do. I am under the same conviction(s) as anyone else, those convictions being erased by Christ’s death and resurrection on the Cross. I am not even allowed to criticize others for being atheist or other religions. All people are God’s children, not mine.
    Sorry to get so long-winded but I get hives from self-righteous dolts like AndersonOne with his phony “Sir” business.
    Peace, Blessings, have a good day!
    Dakotahgeo

  • Dakotahgeo

    I could NOT agree with you more!!! Especially your last paragraph! Thank you!
    Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain

  • Jaimie11

    It’s true. But let’s not replace it with scientism as the new god. As you know, everything under the sun can be manipulated by power hungry and greedy people, as is a good deal of scientific research today. Pharma has more control over science research results than does the quest for what is true fact.

    If a philosophy is not lived, of respect for all humans and recognition that all humans are fallible, not just the ones we disagree with, then scientism without what is called spiritual awareness will dictate scientifically applied cruelties beyond those known in even the most savage aspects of human history, and on a much broader scale.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMXYJJ5KBN4F4ZYRC2TG6WOXRQ Anonymous
  • Jaimie11

    I wonder how much real information is available. Rape in the military is common and commonly hidden from view.

  • Anonymous

    Dakotahgeo – I’m not sure why you feel the need to attack me, call me names or try to group me in with others. I have not and will not do that to you but your post raises some serious questions about your experience with “Christians.”

    If I came off self-righteous please forgive me. I hope you can believe me when I say that is not my intention and I’m sorry that you perceived me as such. I will answer some of your accusations, though, in the best way I can.

    “You’re a sweet-sounding conservative military person who is only defending your lifestyle.”
    - Please. And I think it’s interesting how you add “sweet-sounding” in there as if it were true that would make me any worse of a person than anyone else. Nothing could be further from the truth of this specific accustaion by you. I embrace discussion and political discouse but not childish name calling.

    “You also speak only for yourself and a few other self-righteous fools.”
    - Actually, I only speak for myself, as do any of us on this board. Perhaps if we identified ourselves more as individuals instead of members of a particular group there would be less segregation and hatred of one another.

    “You aren’t even close to having a Christian outlook.”
    - I would love to know why you feel this way and would welcome further discussion on this topic – however, I would appreciate it if that discussion was free from name calling and insults.

    “You’re more like the American christian Taliban, working towards a theocratic government. ”
    - Another insult and grouping attempt, and this comes after you said that I only speak for myself. Please also don’t assume that I’m “working” towards a theocratic government. I’m just working to try to feed my family. lol

    “Sorry, but THAT jus’ ain’t gonna happen, no matter how many T-bagger/Repugs you force into office.”
    - More insults and the use of popular name twisting (T-bagger/Repugs) that really doesn’t accomplish anything. Also, I haven’t voted for any Tea Party affiliated candidates as of yet but it was nice of you once again to assume that I have. In addition, many of the the Tea Party affiliated candidates agree to disagree on religion in favor of what they feel like the Constitution outlines for government. I should have prepped that statement by saying that I’m not a “member” of the Tea Party.

    “I’ve dealt with your kind all my life in the church. Phoney!”
    - I don’t know what my “kind” is but I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with people that disagree with you all your life. I don’t appreciate being called a phoney but you didn’t specify what kind of phoney I am so maybe I do want to be called that…I’m still not sure why you insist on insulting me with name calling.

    I’m comfortable continuing this discussion only if you can offer me the same courtesy I’ve offered you and everyone else here and not insult, name call or throw me into some group you don’t like in order to make your point.

    Thank you.

    - AndersonOne

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    yahoo-QMXYJJ5KBN4F4ZYRC2TG6WOXRQ [Moderator] 8 minutes ago in reply to lilybart
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  • Dakotahgeo

    Sadly, Cannotvote, it isn’t God or religion that is at fault. It’s what PEOPLE DO with God and religion that makes it a stench in God’s nostrils. I laugh as I read the words to the hymn quoted in your comments. This hymn hasn’t been sung in “normal” churches for years as it is a blatant misuse of hymnody and God’s Word. This might be used as the battle hymn of the ultraconservative warhawk churches in the south but no self-respecting church would give “Onward, Christian Soldiers” the time of day today. We have moved so much farther into God’s Light. Jesus was not a terrorist. Today’s American christian Taliban do a good job of using the Bible as a WMD!
    Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry that you feel I have misrepresented Christ in any way. Please expand upon this accusation so I can examine my heart. I have no intention of wronging you or anyone else here in any way.

  • Anonymous

    That does it – fuck ALL religion!

  • Dakotahgeo

    YOU… are way out of line, possibly even in the wrong blog. Are you an ultraconservative christian in the military? Just wondering….

  • Dakotahgeo

    I don’t think they’re loose, Linda Sue. I think they’re missing altogether! I think Paul is a couple bricks short of a full load, maybe even two sandwiches short of a picnic.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Thank you, canadaeh. I have 2-3 friends who are Wiccan and as a Christian, I tresure them as my best friends. I am more reticent regarding most Christians/christians.

  • Dakotahgeo

    canadaeh, there are many people who can read… but they don’t understand. Pitiful!

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it just as likely that her uniform made her ‘look like a slut’? I wonder if the chaplain considered that?

  • Dakotahgeo

    I like your humor… no, I think you must be a Christian, not a christian! Thanks for a good comment!

  • Anonymous

    Fucking religious cocksuckers

  • Anonymous

    Although the Army minister’s reasoning is unstated by Sgt. Havrilla, most plausibly it would proceed in the following manner: If God is all powerful, then all is God’s will. If God is all good, then all is good. Being so, nothing is bad. Thus, one can “go as far” as one wishes.

  • Anonymous

    The founders were influenced by their classical training and beliefs and their disires for material wealth. Equating or morphing that into a Christian basis for our republic is pure bullshit and worthy of Houdini praise. Your self rightous indignation and arrogance are the hallmarks of organized religions. They are the bane of reason and enlightment.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    I wouldn’t take the stress of a broken bathroom fixture to a chaplain. They’re not trained for counseling. Oh they think they are, but they’re not. They think what they get from “pastoral counseling” classes fits the bill but it’s laughable. They might as well walk down the road shaming alley cats for not coming to Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely. At least Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism just says if you messed up this time, you get to try again (and again, and again, and again) until you figure it out. No “lake of fire” or burning forever in hell or any of that bullshit.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Mankind has to find its humanity back first. And its voice. And its common sense. And its strength. It’s not all about science. But the voodoo has got to go. That is how humanity was held back in Medieval Times. We’ve evolved a bit since then, supposedly. Time to shed the ignorance and dogma and move forward.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Didn’t your mother ever tell you that if you don’t have anything intelligent to say, you should keep your mouth shut? Now, move along. Go pray or something. I’m sure there are Catholic priests all over the land eagerly waiting for a rosy butt like yours to feast on.

  • Anonymous

    I remember a couple of Mary’s.

  • Anonymous

    Probably W’s evangelical chaplain, to bad they couldn’t have given them babies too? It would have been God’s will?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    The minister of W’s Methodist church publicly advocated AGAINST the war in Iraq.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    I guess one of those priests must have gotten to you my friend, hence your counterproductive vitriol. As it happens, there is more reason in that one-line post of mine than in all your posts combined.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Your hypocrisy regarding self-righteous indignation and arrogance is duly noted. The fact that we have a wiki “how-to” page just to figure out how to justify moral values without religion is enough to demonstrate the truth of what I said. You don’t have to like it. It just is.

  • RichWa

    ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’

    And that is why I’m an atheist cause if I wasn’t my sense of morality, ethics and justice would require me to fight with all I have against a being/god whose okay with women being raped and all the other needless suffering that he actively engages in creating.

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”

    Epicurus (341-270 BC)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    It was a MAN who said that, not God. As for Epicurus, the implication is that either God has created creatures with superior morality than the being which created them, or because that can’t be true then God must not exist. Outside of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy, you cannot vaporize an infinitely more powerful and intelligent being by using an inferior being’s logic.

    The arguments against God here and elsewhere in this thread can be summarized in what the serpent said in Genesis. The bible does not run away from these arguments; in fact, the bible supplies them for us if you’re inclined to use them and ignore the promise contained elsewhere.

    Atheists present arguments here as though it’s the first time they’ve been presented. On the contrary: scholars on both sides have debated these issues for centuries and more. There is plenty of information to support the existence of a loving God. You can choose to please Him and save yourself or please your friends and join their future misery.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Actually, now that you mention it, you seem to be quite the expert on the subject. I gather you are – or were in the past – an altar boy, hmmm?

    As for the vitriol, yeah, that must be a Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh learned phrase. I know y’all love to use it even if you don’t know what it means and are guilty of engaging in that which you purport to expose yourself.

    Now, on that note, don’t you have some place else where you can spread your counterproductive vitriol more efficiently?

  • Anonymous

    At least I don’t base my morals and reality on delirium. You can be a lemming to your autonomous intelligent energy piper, but don’t expect me to go along. You are just another petty tyranist. I stand against all forms of tyranny and will fight to my last breath to thwart it.

  • cannotvote

    For start I am an atheist – there is no god as is imagined. So from my point of view the christian god, let alone the Talmudic representation of it, let alone the Islamic version – are supposed to be one and the same – therefore that god does have a lot to answer for!
    Do to others as you would have them do to you – is a notion that pre-existed all of these faux religions. Walk the path don’t preach it, by your fruits will you be known etc…. when religious zealots start doing this, then there might be some semblance of peace and secular good will(consider Ashoka or Cyrus the Great) – or how about some real ‘separation of church and state’, as them founding masons wanted, might give credibility – walk the path, practice what you preach – etc…
    Plus that Hymn is quite common in the UK., and else where the Mormons love it – and has quite a nice tune to it! Here’s another: – Jerusalem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaJ4b0XYmI – bunch of jingoistic crap, but great tunes!
    Here’s that oldun you talk of – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJgt2ktRJME
    These sentiments exist here stateside, just the drum is beaten to some shit with a guitar – cum by ya and kill them all, and let who sort them out? – BS, especially for all those Cathars. Oh and if jesus did exist(there is no verifiable evidence), he was likely a Gnostic with Buddhist tendencies – you can go see his grave in Kashmir if you want.
    Religion is an excuse used by governments to screw it all up for normal people – just look at the division created by it – it’s pathetic. Religion is active exploitation of the daft via the use of fear, with the intention of exacting a power – usually for financial gain! Constantine and his mum – Helen, she was likely the worst – pilgrimage should read as; tourism, that really screwed it all up – plus who destroyed the Library at Alexander – the fucking xristians, thats who – fear and loathing direct to you from the Vatican in Rome – why Rome etc…. stupid sheep, get angry, do something righteous for god’s sake – find your own godhead. Remember when you speak to your god, that is prayer – when he speaks back, that is called insanity – and there certainly are a lot of loons about!

  • cannotvote

    Read some history – lot of evil done by the vatican!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    And here’s me thinking the Vatican was occupied and run by people.

  • cannotvote

    Sure does work in mysterious ways! Look it’s all crap, written by a bunch of psychos for their own purposes!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    1. You brought up the Catholic priest issue and elaborated on it far more than I did.

    2. What would give you the idea that I approve of any of the people you mention? I’m not the one who is using the vitriol here, hence, your attempt at guilt by association.

    3. The vitriol is absent on my side, so we’re left with your using my term “counterproductive.” The reason I used that term was that I (perhaps falsely) assumed that people here were generally in favor of an end to the unprovoked death and destruction brought on by these wars, and the ancillary cases of rape as described in this article. You seem to be here for no other reason but to spread your own brand of hatred and bigotry, Have at it, but you don’t have a monopoly at rawstory.com.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    What have I said that suggests that I am a tyrant?

  • Anonymous

    This is why the cave-man construct of superstition/religion must die. Stupid people proposing stupid excuses in the face of humans being brutalized. One of the most disgusting aspects of our species.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Blah blah blah…look ma, I love to see myself type…blah blah blah

  • Guest

    With batting weight on the end.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    On the other hand, if she was a thinking person she would realize that an idiot human does not prove the non-existence of God.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    That is what is called a graceless cop-out. We’re both here because we both object to the disgusting behavior of this poor woman’s chaplain and presumably because we both object to being lied to by our government. The best course we can take is to fight together in a common cause, but obviously you feel that proselytizing for atheism is the more important goal.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Whatever rocks your boat. You will see and hear whatever it is that you want because all you want to do is hear yourself talk. So, carry on. Don’t let me stop ya.

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

  • Anonymous

    I consider religious proseltyzing and fanaticism to be forms of tyranny when they are state supported and state promoted(soldiers handing out bibles). Every time I hear the argument that the US was founded as a Christian nation, my blood pressure goes up 20 points. I don’t want organized religion anywhere near my government in any department or at any level. There should not be any mention or attention to religion at any government function or event. Only a silent pause for introspection and reflection where appropriate to the moment.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    You’ve proven your debating skills to be as substantive as a dandelion spore. You’re all mouth until someone challenges you with fact while avoiding the puerile name-calling that appears to be your calling card.

  • Anonymous

    I really wonder how the military is going to make sure that every service member is safe from abuse. Did you know that if you are a woman in the Army overseas, it is illegal for you to get an abortion, even if you pay for it with your own money? Tell me there is not a war against women in this country!

  • Anonymous

    I suppose that chaplain is still on duty collecting a paycheck for doing nothing except insulting women. With that he can excuse any behavior! The whole attitude of the military needs to change and change fast. This whole story is absolutely appalling. All they have to do is start charging these brutes and things will change. And what is it with men anyway? Where are all the other decent men when this is happening? Don’t they all have moms and sisters?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s comments like these from Christian leaders that are bringing thousands of American women to Islam each year. If people would see beyond the TV news version of things, they’d see Islam is the path to peace.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Oh, wait a minute. Is that what you think I was doing? Debating? Muaa haa…

    Poor chap. Another philosopher. Poor, poor, dear. You don’t have much of a life, do ya?

  • Taleisin

    It makes you wonder what sort of god he worships that enjoys a good rape!
    Not my God.
    Must be some angry desert god with a lust for foreskin and no goddess to give him BJs.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I am atheist but I respect people`s faith as long as they leave me alone. The other day I was visiting Notre Dame de Paris,& I had a very pleasant chat drinking tea with a priest who works there,he then proposed me to take me to places tourists are not allowed to visit inside the Cathedrale, and it was amazing :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/rmorganhazard Bob Hazard

    ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

    So, god wanted her to be raped, because he wants her to worship him?!?!?!? Someone needs to dig through that chaplains closet….

  • Anonymous

    Ironically, or tragically, Christians were pacifists for the first 300 years after Christ. Christ was a pacifist and his followers felt that they also needed to renounce violence to be true Christians. Once Christianity became the Roman religion, being pacifists was too inconvenient and the bishops started changing the belief system to accommodate the Emperor.

  • Taleisin

    That is a once in a lifetime experience. How cool.

    I was laying face down in a G string the other day (I thought you would like the imagery), while a Chinese Doctor is checking me for skin cancers. She tells me she is a clappy Christian and I tell her I am a heretic who likes Taoism. The conversation dies. It is a shame.In America the non-christians are on the defensive but over here, the clappy ones are the minority. I much prefer our arrangement.
    By the way, there is a stain glass window in the C of E cathedral here in Brissy with a relative of mine in it. Edith Cavell, on my mother’s side.

  • Anonymous

    Where are photos of the rapist? They could be distributed in his hometown and shared with his Fellow Americans.

  • Anonymous

    I think you should pull your head out of your ass, just to avoid any more ignorant, repetitive posts!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Why not arrange a lynch-mob while we’re at it? It’s obviously no longer America anyway.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Where did you get the information that the rapist was a Christian? And those Idaho yahoos were trying to send the kids to an orphanage in the Dominican Republic, wrong as they were.

    I would think that this story is appalling enough as it is without the wholesale manufacture of facts and the broad brush painting guilt across vast numbers of completely unrelated people. That sounds a whole lot like those who pass guilt on to all Muslims for crimes committed by people who arguably were not even practicing Muslims.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    Call it what you wish. Just as you have your reasons for doing what you do here, I have my own and they don’t necessarily have everything to do with this thread or you specifically. And as far as my life goes, I would put it up against yours any day.

    Some day you might grow up too. First things first though. Look forward to reaching drinking age first.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    “I consider religious proseltyzing and fanaticism to be forms of tyranny when they are state supported and state promoted(soldiers handing out bibles).”

    That’s fine, but you accused ME of tyranny.

    “Every time I hear the argument that the US was founded as a Christian nation, my blood pressure goes up 20 points.”

    I didn’t present that argument.

    “I don’t want organized religion anywhere near my government in any department or at any level. There should not be any mention or attention to religion at any government function or event. Only a silent pause for introspection and reflection where appropriate to the moment.”

    Like it or not, the Constitution places limits on what congress can do, not individuals. Congress cannot pass laws establishing a national religion or prohibiting the practice of individuals’ religion. It’s up to state and local governments to draw their own lines if they wish. What you personally don’t want isn’t cause enough to impede anyone else’s religion — as far as the LAW goes.

    Having said that I agree that silent pauses are fine for public memorials or whatever. I think things like school prayer and the pledge of allegiance are pointless — scratch that, they are not pointless: they are meant as methods of indoctrination. I would gladly suffer those if I could be relieved of having to listen to the Star Spangled Banner and God Bless The USA at every sporting event. :^)

  • Jakrabt

    LOL! Straight men… nobody even thought you meant that you might actually enjoy the ‘male bonding’ you suggested. We got your point. Your masculinity is still secure.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes as it is no longer politically correct, but I sang it in church as a youth in my former life.

  • Guest

    I am a pacifist christian totally at odds with mainstream evangelicals. My beliefs are 180 away from theirs. Our groups does not join the military; does not have chaplains in the military; is non-violent and non-political. That’s why I hang around Raw and Alternet, because I have much more in common with progressives than with rank and file ‘Christians’.
    Military Chaplains, in my opinion, exist only to tell soldiers that Jesus is ok with them killing other human beings. They are the sin-eaters for the military; they ‘eat’ (or take on) the collective sin of the military machine and regurtitate it as ‘God’s Will’. Not only killing, but raping, environmental degradation, humiliation, theft, you name it, the military does it.
    It is God’s Will for christians to not join the military. It is God’s Will for christians to be non-violent, charitable, humble, meek, compassionate, caring… you know, that Golden Rule thingy?

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes it was dope, I felt like Esmeralda in the movie The Hunchback of Notre-Dame, he took me on top of the Cathedrale, inside the bell tower….once in a lifetime experience, indeed

  • Jakrabt

    To defend a criminal rapist with Christianity is no different than Muslims using the same justification for eliminating ‘infidels’.

  • Anonymous

    Well reasoned, sir. I will consider myself served. Why do you believe in a book written as propaganda for toddlers well after the fact? Why not believe in the book of mormon? They say the same thing about their book that you do about yours. Reason, not faith, is what makes us special.

  • Anonymous

    Now I am positive I am an atheist!!Christians suck,especially,evangelical born again assholes!!!

  • http://ray032.com/ Ray Joseph Cormier

    Faith with reason is better. The Koran is the Bible re-Written in other words as is the Book of Morman. They all point to same one source with the same basic rules for the people to learn how to live in peace and harmony together. God doesn’t force anyone to believe. Men may try to do that.

    In a way, God is like an extremely rich man testing the woman to see if she loves him or his riches.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lorijeske Lori Jeske

    What is the Chaplain’s name? It’s important, if not crucial, for his name to be public. That person will continue to spread that type of holistic rhetoric to others.

  • Anonymous

    The chaplain believe he are in Iraq where they can do that free.

  • Anonymous

    This is exactly why I do not accept a man’s word for what is God’s will! Some of these people, holding positions in the Clergy, are dumber than a box of rocks!

  • http://johnharvey.us/ SgtCedar

    You have to remember where the majority of military chaplains come from. There is probably a majority who are far right wingers. Many of them seem to no longer take seriously their responsibility to provide equal treatment to military personnel from all points of view. They let the politics and theology of their denomination dominate everything they do.

  • http://www.zazzle.com/fierylocks FieryLocks

    Wonder if this low life Chaplain would feel the same way if his wife, mother or daughter were ever raped?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3YYEYKNEMJFP3TNBS2SGUQB2I Brain Fan

    “First off the military tries to get rid of any nonXians within its ranks. It doesn’t think they are psychologically fit to kill for the Ruling Class. Actually they can’t be counted on, like a Xian, to keep quiet, “for the good of God” when something like this happens. Secondly, Xians, being brought up in a subculture chock full of denial and delusion, are ripe for any sort of perversion especially rape and pedophilia…….”

    Ridiculous manufactured nonsense.

    “The Idaho Baptists had, once before, sold a group of kids to a brothel owner in El Salvaore,”

    The Dominican contact they had was wanted for this; I’ve yet to see the Idaho people implicated in it.

    “Nothing like good Xian charity!……”

    Out of the hundreds of billions of Christians who have given untold amounts of money and help globally over the centuries, that you can turn the actions of a few demented individuals against ALL of us is simply a sign of your own desire to indulge your own hatred by applying collective guilt. All atheists are evil because of Chairman Mao.

    “Manufacturing facts! Hell, you believe that a zombie, dead for 2000 yrs., is going to come flying down on a cloud and take you away any day now!”

    Make sure you ignore facts and twist the story to sound as bad as you can.

    “Hurry up, Get the hell out of here so we can live in peace and prosperity.”

    Read the posts here. The hatred and violence is hardly a sign of peaceful times ahead.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I promise you one thing, when I grow up, I will not go to college and waste my time and money getting a degree in philosophy just like you. Ha ha ha!

    You should take my advice and try to get a job as a salesclerk at a liquor store, you’ll have plenty of time and opportunity to philosophize with the winos. They’re a hoot! They all sound just like you. ROFL!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMXYJJ5KBN4F4ZYRC2TG6WOXRQ Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Yeah, but then it makes that annoying popping noise.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not talking about Jesus’ wife, I”m speaking of his mother.

  • Taleisin

    I did not know this story. Thanks. I think my favorite church story is the one of William Wallace forcing the English north of the Clyde, into their church, and to sing hymns in the choir, while standing naked. I am sure he had a good laugh at this. Wish I had been there.

  • Taleisin

    Our cathedral here is tiny compared to the great churches of Europe. Aachen cathedral was awesome. But I hear Notre-Dame is one of the greatest. I can not imagine how a town can take 800 years to build a church.

  • Taleisin

    I heard an American Chaplain on TV tell the Christian soldiers in Iraq that they were ‘Hounds for Jesus’.
    He explained their mission was to convert the Muslims. What a misguided person this chaplain was.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad that “God” is powerless to do anything about any of this, huh ?

    Too bad that moral cripples like this minister get to treat people like trash . . . or is that OK ?

  • Anonymous

    Religious people can justify anything, even rape.

    Well, obviously.

    Yet another good reason NOT to be religious: so many moral cripples with clerical collars.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for sharing your form letter

  • Anonymous

    Former Sen. Larry Craig is a guy and HE gets his panties in a bunch, too

  • Anonymous

    all guys get they panties in a bunch. stop that grinning and drop yo
    linen…

  • Dirk

    It’s disappointing to realize that the chaplain in “Casualties of War” who finally busts Sean Penn and his raping thugs was purely fictional.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously?

    “Atheists present arguments here as though it’s the first time they’ve been presented.”
    Arguable.

    “On the contrary: scholars on both sides have debated these issues for centuries and more.”
    True

    “There is plenty of information to support the existence of a loving God.”
    Aside from staring through microscopes, telescopes, and watching O-scopes, I see no existence of any god that you prefer to believe in, just, at best, an indifferent and rather creative Creator. So prove that statement, prove it. Please feel free to provide this information to us regarding your own statement, stance, belief, or argument. And where did you get this information? Uncertain, ancient, fragmented, dubious, and questionable parchments? Tradition, perhaps? Or from a priest, a preacher, a liar, or a lunatic? Or worse, a Televangelist? Hell’s Bells, this “information” might just convert us. So far, not much from you or your like.

    “You can choose to please Him and save yourself or please your friends and join their future misery.”
    The clincher: so much for YOUR proof for “the existence of a loving God”!

    Signed,
    Serve me, or I “the loving God” will not destroy you, but make you and your friends suffer forever Because You and Your Friends Did Not Please Me, THE KIND AND LOVING GOD!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Defending the rapist? REALLY? REALLY?

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Too bad he couldn’t tell W that GOD didn’t want him to invade Iraq!

  • James F Moran

    If it’s as true as reported I sure hope that chaplain lost his/her commission.
    CDR, CHC, USNR(Ret)

  • Anonymous

    1. Execute EVERY rapist.
    2. BAN women from combat positions.

    Armies are for killing, not for social experiments and armies make savages out of men. What’s rape to a soldier that has been trained to dehumanize his enemies to be able to kill them?

    NOBODY can demonstrate that women provide any benefit by serving on the front lines.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AKHFCT3RZCEWTKQ6QQREGUYAXA crystal

    maybe its God’s will when is dick falls off

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    Any “chaplain” who goes to war is certainly not a Christian anyway. Who would want to go to a phony for counseling?

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    Women have far better multitasking skills than men. Given “today’s army” they are more qualified in many positions that men just can’t handle. War is no longer a game of hand-to-had combat on the “front lines.” But then, why ANYONE would want to serve as cannon fodder for the corporatists is beyond me. These are not our wars.

  • Anonymous

    Well, that’s really a good Christian speaking, and I mean it. How Jesus must weep to see what has become of his teachings at the hands of the churches who claim to represent him. We shouldn’t be surprised.

  • Anonymous

    Thank GOD I’m no longer religious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dr.kissinger DrHenry Kissinger

    What he means boys will be boys. On the other hand maybe the boys should just do (K&R) on the local Afghani girls they only cost $10 per night.
    shalom dr.k.
    http://www.facebook.com/dr.kissinger

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2NPRPRYZC3RF424Y4G4NKPY3FM Anya O

    While the nation debated gays in the military, the opposers tried to fearmonger by saying that “the gays” could try to force themselves on other men. There has never been one incident of this ever happening. All the while, women in the military are being raped by straight men and none of those people could have given a good gawd damn!

  • PrissyPatriot®

    Oh but I do understand…the rest can still be scared by losing rank.

  • Guest

    “He told her that ‘it must have been God’s will for her to be raped’ and recommended that she attend church more frequently.”

    Ah, Churchianity… justifying their crimes since the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. That’s when Constantine turned a bunch of Jesus following pacifists into God’s army who could rape and pillage in His name.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Meiofe/1604834663 Jack Meiofe

    Why isn’t this “chaplain” in prison where the bastard belongs right beside her rapist ?

    Maybe they can butt rape each other and call it “god’s will” …..

  • iRead

    Yo, from the CIC on down, they have abandoned justice.
    Is it any small wonder that the rank-and-file lie, and steal, and gladly employ raw power and unrestrained ego as methods of conflict resolution. Organizations tend to take the clues of their leadership. If the bosses don’t give a shit about propriety, conventions, rules, laws…and will not accept the least responsibility, their workforce has no positive examples/role-models/mentors.

    Everyone sees how BushCo. let the lowest-grade enlisted soldiers pay the price for the administration’s [written] policy of torture. Those at the White House, State Dept., Pentagon, think tanks, and talking-point regurgitators lied their asses off–with a wink-and-nod from the MSM–and called their well-trained, knuckle-dragging goons Aberrations, instead of calling them Damned Good at Following Orders.

    How do we find a unanimity of universal human morality among our troops? If the attempt were to be made, it would probably need to start at the top–with policies made by honest leaders who are subject to the very same laws by which their constituents are bound, rich and poor alike. That would be a little like the Titanic popping to the surface, steaming to Indianapolis, and winning the Indy 500; not gonna happen, but interesting to think about.

    When I think of our current military, I always think Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization. Because anymore, our military is just the enforcement arm of a multi-national cartel of rich me-firsters.

  • iRead

    “But please consider this: You have merely taken brief sentence fragments; ie “the rape must have been God’s will” and “global warming can’t be true because God said he’d never flood the earth again” and “the jury’s still out on evolution” from certain groups and hypothesized that anyone within the “right-wing Christian” group MUST agree with those talking points. Granted, I’m sure you have heard one or more people say statements such as these…but please don’t make every person who thinks differently from yourself guilty by association! And the label “right-wing Christian” is just another media contrived term being used to pit individuals within this country against each other. Don’t fall for it! We don’t all have to be grouped together – each person is an individual!”

    Anderson, I have heard one or more groups say these things. Most often, people in those groups are Republicans, former-Republicans, rubes, and the willfully stupid. Obviously, there are probably people of every conceivable political stripe who believe these fairly preposterous ideas.
    However…it seems only one party is actively engaged in disseminating these ideas, and spinning so consistently in that direction. (Hint: It’s not the Dems.) So, no…we don’t have to be all grouped together. We can all be individuals. But the people standing with and cheering for that particular team sound the least bit disingenuous making the claim that these political parties are ideologically identical.
    You attempt to argue against painting with a broad brush by making even more sweeping generalizations. And remember that one party, having bankrupted us with deregulation , two ill-conceived wars, innumerable no-bid contracts, untold “unaccounted-for” pallets of cash, the largest new government agency EVAR—keeping an eye on me and you and propping up dictatorships worldwide, a brand-new unconstitutional torture policy…
    …and now after the bankers (many foreign corporations), financiers, brokers, titans of industry and captains of business have been bailed-out and lavished with the most obscene bonuses, stock-options, and golden-parachutes, well…now they’re upset about extending unemployment and economic stimulus. Now that the wealthy have used up and hoarded all the money and will lend no more, the chief danger is the deficit. Not war. Not crony-capitalism. Not regulatory failure. It’s those social safety-nets that are in danger of ruinatin’ this once-proud nation. The working class, having given corporations the best productivity even seen, and losing real wages year by year, while the rich grow bloated like ticks or carrion fowl, are no longer able to compete with the 50-cents-a-day worker in East B.F. The Republican response? Destroy what’s left of collective-bargaining rights our grandparents fought, and starved, and were beaten and killed walking picket lines to obtain. After decades in the works, the Republican/corporation plan to dismantle unions is all but accomplished.
    You’ve some good things to say Anderson. But the record doesn’t, even with major revision, support your contention that the parties are the same. C’mon, man.

    Take care, and a happy (if belated) Dead Presidents Day to ya.

  • iRead

    Hence, they should stop squawking about Mr. Assange’s possible sexual peccadilloes. In their brave new world, what he’s accused of doing isn’t even considered a social faux pas.

    Such clever webs we do weave for ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    Were Gates and Rumfld to be raped an sdomized in a Leavenworth Prison cell – or saw one of their CHILDREN so abused by a US soldier – PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS their ‘paternal rage’ would get the best of them. It seems they both NEED the ‘experience’ of RAPE and Forcible Molestation in teir lives & families t understand event…

  • Anonymous

    This “chaplain” should be immediately removed from his position.

  • Anonymous

    All these calls for his rape are really disgusting. Yeah, he’s a bastard, totally perverting the message of Christianity (HELLO! Love thy neighbour!), but raping him would do nothing but make another rape victim and another rapist. The world has enough of those.

  • Anonymous

    scuse me but so far as i know, mr christ was the leading socialist
    revolutionary in the history of the roman empire… i praise the glory of
    assange, hersh and ellsberg for exposing the gruesome secrets of the evil
    empire.

    christ said “treat the least of thy brethren as thou woudst treat me.” and
    also said, “my followers keep close to my lips; not my heart.” and as gay
    king james censored… “ye were all as gods once.” how far we fall from
    truth. kill one innocent and should pay for it. kill millions? hell waits in
    their future lives.

    just exactly how much blood do you want on your hands?

  • Anonymous

    I have taken the time to read this thread. I find that the misrepresentation of the Christian religion by the atheists to be egregious. I also find that the level of knowledge as expressed in these posts to be abominably low. First God does not condone any form of the abuse of women. Therefore, rape at any time is not His will. Second that abuse occurs in this world far too frequently is true and when ever it occurs it needs to be dealt with and purged from society. Third God has allowed man to have free will thus opening the door for man to do all sorts of evil things. This evil will be dealt with in the end by removing those who commit the evil from any fellowship with God. In the mean time it is God’s will to remain with you and help you through a time when you were traumatized, and to provide you with resources that will help you deal with the grief that you have and become stronger as you move forward. Healing from abuse can take decades and is a very difficult process, but it can be done. In so far as that chaplain he needs to resign his commission and start reading his Bible to learn what God’s will is. It is something like seek justice, love mercy and walk humbly with your God.

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