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Billionaire tea party tycoons financed Wisconsin’s anti-union governor, records show

By Stephen C. Webster
Saturday, February 19, 2011 21:49 EDT
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Who were among the financiers behind Wisconsin’s Republican Governor, now embroiled in a controversial attempt to destroy public sector unions?

None other than reviled tea party financiers Charles and David Koch, is who.

Turns out, the billionaire oil tycoons’ political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker (R) roughly $100,000 in campaign contributions during the 2010 election, according to campaign finance records highlighted by Mother Jones.

The contributions came from the same source — Koch Industries PAC — and though through two channels which were both legal under current campaign finance law.

About $43,000 worth of PAC monies went directly to Walker’s campaign, while the Republican Governors Association (RGA) sent $65,000 from the PAC to Walker.

Wisconsin’s governor also received help from the RGA by way of a $3.4 million ad buy on television and direct mail attacks against his political opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett.

What’s more, it’s not just the Koch presence behind the governor that’s got some worried: it’s that the bill causing so much strife is virtually pulled from the tycoon brothers’ own playbook.

“Koch-backed groups like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long takenvery antagonistic view toward public-sector unions,” Mother Jones noted. “Several of these groups have urged the eradication of these unions. The Kochs also invited Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, an anti-union outfit, to a June 2010 confab in Aspen, Colorado;” .

A similar bill was being considered in Ohio, where it drew a similar reaction from workers.

By pulling collective bargaining rights away from the unions, that’s exactly what they’d be doing: effectively eradicating them. All leverage the workers have over management would be ended.

As if the connection weren’t clear enough, the Koch brothers front group Americans for Prosperity produced a website called standwithwalker.com, encouraging people to support elimination of labor union rights.

Just over 24,000 had signed the Koch brothers’ petition at time of this story’s publication.

Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster is the senior editor of Raw Story, and is based out of Austin, Texas. He previously worked as the associate editor of The Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, where he covered state politics and the peace movement’s resurgence at the start of the Iraq war. Webster has also contributed to publications such as True/Slant, Austin Monthly, The Dallas Business Journal, The Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Weekly, The News Connection and others. Follow him on Twitter at @StephenCWebster.
 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    Make yo momma smile: kick a billionaire in the Koch today!! hell, aim for the whole “package”…eliminate THAT, Koch.

    I think America heard the alarm go off…finally. They are hearing the sound of smug, secure fascists thinking they have placed all the “control” systems they need to harness us to their plows.

    They are about to find out how hard that US worker MULE CAN KICK.

  • Anonymous

    Tea baggers is corrupting our government with Koch suckers.

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me my fellow Virginians Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc, set up a country based on COMMONWEALTH.

    That oil in US ground? Mine. And yours.

    The Koch’s owe us some money. So does Exxon-Mobil. Chevron. So, now we elect LEADERS to COLLECT the earnings we have been denied, and distribute the ill-gotten gains these cretins have accumulated to pay off the debt, and to establish Universal health care, and to call all the troops back home to rebuild OUR infrastructure.

    What is YOUR vision for America? Eternal wars? Internal grouping by “authority” to “keep you safe”? Bailing out these worthless scumbags like Koch, who then use the money to elect people opposed to YOUR BEST INTERESTS? Are you fucking NUTS America???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRCGTVH7SXIVAQMN6VHRMIG6ZM john wilson

    It is indeed sad that these scumbags who are already wealthy beyond any reason want more. When is there ever a point that they have enough. If they had there way we would all be slaves.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UAYWWQ6PIS523OZNUGILXEGOPU Patty

    The Koch Brothers have been doing this for years. The longer the protests in WI play out, the more MSM will be focused on their dealings. They thought they could just secretly strip workers rights, but they picked the wrong State. WI. is known for their progressive stances on workers rights. They were the ones who championed ‘Weekends’ and 40 hour weeks. Now, the Repug Governors in other states (Like OH, PA, and Indiana) are watching this with jaundiced eyes. Already in Ohio, workers are assembling. Unions know if WI falls, the rest will tumble like dominos.

  • Anonymous

    Gee Wally. I thought the poor and the middle class in America were gonna be content being led to the slaughter. Who is getting voted off the island this week?

    http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

    Had enough?

  • Guest

    What about George Soros and the Unions and Media matters and all the left wing programs he supports for all the left wingers and the Democrats. Nobody is supporting the poor unions, RIGHT… I am an independent voter and voted for the Republicans in Wisconsin to get the Democrat bullshit out of office. I suppose it was ok for Doyle and the Democrat controlled legislature in the past which controlled Wisconsin to vote behind closed doors late at night and force crap down our throats without any debate at all, but it not ok for the Republicans to have17 hours of public debate and expect the democrats in the Senate to vote. Gordon Hintz said they didn’t have any protesters when they passed their bills. I beg to differ. The elections in November, when a Republican governor and legislature where elected was the protest of the Wisconsin people!!!

  • Anonymous

    C’mon Stephen – “Who was the principle financiers of Wisconsin’s Republican Governor, now embroiled in a controversial attempt to destroy public sector unions?” great work, but don’t be sloppy

  • Guest

    on Billionaire tea party tycoons financed Wisconsin’s anti-union governor, records show 14 minutes ago

    What about George Soros and the Unions and Media matters and all the left wing programs he supports for all the left wingers and the Democrats. Nobody is supporting the poor unions, RIGHT… I am an independent voter and voted for the Republicans in Wisconsin to get the Democrat bullshit out of office. I suppose it was ok for Doyle and the Democrat controlled legislature in the past which controlled Wisconsin to vote behind closed doors late at night and force crap down our throats without any debate at all, but it not ok for the Republicans to have17 hours of public debate and expect the democrats in the Senate to vote. Gordon Hintz said they didn’t have any protesters when they passed their bills. I beg to differ. The elections in November, when a Republican governor and legislature where elected was the protest of the Wisconsin people!!!

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    $ power $ power $ power that’s all I want that’s all I want that’s all I want

  • Anonymous

    Zzzzz … OMG what a shocker! I don’t think anyone is surprised by this. Anyone with half-a brain knows Walker like most Rethugs is a puppet (better yet a whore for) of the huge corporate interests.

  • hourglass1

    you are the problem.
    you are both uninformed and misinformed.
    you are a AM radio talking point tool of oligarchy.
    why do you hate working people?
    soros? soros?
    great jeebus you dimwit how about we list your idols and their salaries

  • Ma’at

    As the saying goes … tell me something I don’t know.

  • Anonymous

    Did you really need to post your tripe twice?

    You’ve made two posts here, both almost the same. You’re a putz.

  • proofter

    Who was the principle financiers

    Please, go back to school.

    Who were the principal financiers . . .

  • Anonymous

    Soros, unions, Media Matters. Any more lame ass Fox/regressive right wingnut media straw men?
    What about Obama’s birth cert?
    Does the crap Beck spews scare you? Do you live in fear of commies?
    Are you a huge moron?

  • yvonneo

    Blah, blah, blah…you’re just trying to deflect attention away from who your guy, Walker, is now beholden to (the corporate robber barons) by changing the subject. Fail!!

  • Anonymous

    Koch are on coke; but, they will never admit it. They like that refreshing pause.

  • Anonymous

    I feel the same way about the airwaves. Owned by the people. Where the heck is our cut from
    commercial TV / Radio? The licenses are issued to broadcast by FCC. Time to collect.

  • Anonymous

    Walker didn’t just walk into the Governor’s office and commandeer it, he was voted in and won by 5 points.

    You vote Obama in, you get the disaster he turned out to be. Wisconsin voted Walker in, you get what he brings.

    Also, Reid won strictly with the money of unions in Nevada and the intimidation of their members to vote for Reid. Nevada had the highest unemployment and home foreclosure rates in the entire country and Reid was the Senator presiding for years over the downfall.

    And there isn’t also something wrong with that scenario with unions looking for favors?

    It would be grand if we had a six month trial with an option to boot out and replace. Sure would have sent Obama back to Chicago.

    I vote we do that. It will solve all the problems.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PF4BRQDF4633RPXV5TPFG7KV7Y LarryM

    Koch bros = commies…let’s get those bastards! Only partially tongue in cheek!

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    Trickery is the tools of the Devil, when no one wons he wins, have no fear Yahweh is here ,Wake and Stand up against Evil !!!
    http://fightthe.podomatic.com/

  • Anonymous

    Time for the American middle class to start fighting back.
    For 30 years they’ve been losing to these billionaires who’ve declared war on them,
    it’s time to wake up and fight back before it’s too late.

  • Anonymous

    Time to recall the governor.

  • Anonymous

    Still, too many tools (called Republican/Teabaggers) will decry this as a left-wing conspiracy. Denial of reality that they are nothing more than tools.

  • Anonymous

    Unions are backed by people and union dues tea baggers are backed by the kochs, can you see the difference…didn’t think so. Tomorrow the kochs will pay to bus in their tea bagger zombies…..

  • Anonymous

    Time to start calling him the Kochsucker he is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L46MI6AIDYQVHC7ERWTPQPCGHM Lou

    Yes, he is a moron.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L46MI6AIDYQVHC7ERWTPQPCGHM Lou

    It started with St Ronnie Raygun, the turncoat, FBI snitch Democrat.

  • Anonymous

    Need to take it back to the stone age on these motherfuckers. The game is up…… Take it the fuck back America so we can start living again… start focusing on shit that matters….. i have this one lifetime to live, and i dont want it to be in vain because other people cannot grasp what it is to be a human being. Take it back……with blood on your hands if you have to.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    So, does this mean that Walker is a Koch whore? You have to also wonder if Walker smiled when all that money was shoved up his ass and was told why it was being shoved up his ass. I wonder if his church and his family know he’s a Koch whore. And, if his family and his church got some of that money, wouldn’t that also make them……????

  • Anonymous

    It’s over. The US is a fascist state run by a combination of Corporatism and Government (following orders), just as Benito Mussolini stated.

  • Anonymous

    Americans will grab their ankles for the new order. Fascism is the name of the game and the fascists have won.

  • Anonymous

    The Battle Lines Have Been Drawn –

    As the Middle East is convulsing in a huge swath of violent confrontation with protesters across thousands of miles standing up to their oppressive governments, America may be experiencing the first skirmish in its own building civil war. The battle lines drawn in Wisconsin, and developing in Ohio and other Republican-led states, are ostensibly over union rights. Republicans want to cripple public sector unions by ending their right to collective bargaining, while Democrats are fighting to maintain this hard-fought right, understanding it as the last bulwark of workers’ power needed to protect workers’ interests.

    The national conversation on most issues echoes the two opposing political perspectives, giving equal weight to each. More often than not, however, this discussion is a distraction from the underlying truth. If one looks at the Republican side of every argument, the real beneficiaries are the large corporate interests who donate to right-wing politicians and who subsidize a blizzard of propaganda through astro-turf interest groups, through well-publicized but very controversial “scientific findings”, through special interest advertising, and, of course, through FOX news.

    Let us remember that it is big oil that pays for the bogus global-warming-is-a-hoax studies. Let us remember it was the defense industry that benefited from the false weapons-of-mass- destruction excuse for the Iraq War. Let us consider how the health care and insurance industries fought the health care legislation and benefited from the false “death panel” fear-mongering and other nonsense put forth during the health care debate. Let us understand that it is Corporate America and the super wealthy that benefit from the repeatedly disproven lies about how low taxes and deregulation strengthen the economy. And finally, let us remember that it is Corporate America that benefits from crushing unions, the last hold-out of big Democratic spending, so that their Republican patsies can pass corporate-friendly legislation with less and less opposition. It is likely that most Republicans who take the corporate side in these arguments believe the arguments they spout in defense of their policies, but that is nothing more than a tribute to the success of the billions of dollars the global corporations have poured into convincing and subsidizing them.

    http://starlightnews.com/wordpress/?p=195

  • Anonymous

    What you say is very true. I just got back from going around the midwest to visit my relatives. Not one has a clue of what they have received from the work of unions and all want to see the end of them. Most of them make less than 50K and 3/4ths are blue collar. I do have three that are millionaires that are oligarchical wannabes and think like the rest.

  • Taleisin

    ‘Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation.’

    These are great names. But I know they are trying to destroy what they are claiming to promote.
    It’s how it’s done in America.

  • http://thejoesteelblog.blogspot.com/ Joe Steel

    We like to think America is a democracy but it isn’t. We are a plutocracy. American is being governed by the rich for the rich. The rich now rule and are taking even more power. They’re leading us to feudalism. Eventually only those who have pledged their lives to the service of the rich will have any chance at life at all.

  • ProgressiveInNewYork

    I’d just be happy with honest, unbiased news.
    Just the facts maam, I’ll make up my own mind.

    I’m so sick and tired of corporate news. Just because crazy Bachmann hates blacks does not mean there is a ‘debate’ about the First Lady’s encouragement of breast feeding.

    Case in point, CNN, NYTimes, seem to imply that equal numbers, pro and con, were in Madison. And they still ignore the fact that Walker created the ‘budget crunch’.

    Just the Facts and ALL THE FACTS>

  • http://thejoesteelblog.blogspot.com/ Joe Steel

    If they do, we’re in trouble.

    When we begin to accept what once was forbidden we’ve begun the descent into a hell of our own making.

  • Anonymous

    Just another step in the undoing of the New Deal. Expect more, like de-funding the NLRB and repealing child labor laws. Results will eventually be a return to the pre-depression era’s labor abuses by management and violence from both sides.

  • http://twitter.com/jalapenolady45 Barbra Midkiff

    The Koch Bros are intent to be kings of the U.S. They get the Tea’ers to do there dirty work. PLUTOCRACY

  • Anonymous

    I think I have been harping on this for a week: this all originated from the “koch-brotherhood” meeting last month. This tory-governor put legs on it for a crash test.

  • http://depublican.com/ Todd Baier

    Harry Reid won, not because of union money- and certainly not intimidation, but because of the pot of craziness that was Sharon Angle. Had the Republicans run a decent candidate, Reid would have lost. Instead, knee-jerk right wingers put the least electable candidate on the ballot.

    As for Reid ‘presiding for years over the downfall-’ perhaps you should educate yourself on the difference between state and federal government. Does Jan Brewer shoulder any responsibility in your mind? She was the Governor, directly responsible for the state’s welfare, who most directly presided over the downfall.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-W-Roads/629696293 Chris W Roads

    That is a great line worth repeating

    i have this one lifetime to live, and i dont want it to be in vain because other people cannot grasp what it is to be a human being.

    i have this one lifetime to live, and i dont want it to be in vain because other people cannot grasp what it is to be a human being.

    Humans were not designed for slavery they are self aware, The only way to free yourself from slavery is to not participate, do not follow your leaders orders. Its that simple.

    the chains that bind you are in your mind only.

  • DesertSun59

    The Citizens United SCOTUS decision is the direct cause of this sort of BS. It will go down in history (well, it already has) as the absolute worst decision ever made from that bench. It signals the beginning of the total demise of this country. How do I know that? Well, look what’s happened JUST IN WI. Out of state money totally pushed aside the citizens of that state to vote for who THEY wanted. Multiply this by 50 states, and what you have is that a voter no longer controls who’s on the ballot or who will ultimately be elected.

    The Citizens United SCOTUS decision in 2010 was the watershed event in US history that removed voting rights from the people. You and I no longer live in a representative democracy.

  • DesertSun59

    “You vote Obama in, you get the disaster he turned out to be.”

    Explain this ‘disaster’.

    Didn’t think you could.

    In addition, the content of this article is about out-of-state money influencing an election. The fact that you ignored that is evident of your allegiance. Fascist control of states is perfectly fine as far as you’re concerned.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/CTGKYFNDGU6KJEHQNNPXA64ZZI Pj

    U.S. Senators do not ‘preside over’ state matters, in the first place. That is the role of the governor (not Jan Brewer, as stated below, who is governor of Arizona not Nevada)… and the economic catastrophe being endured by Nevada and most every other state belongs wholly to the Republican Party’s mythology-driven obsession with government wrecking — so-called “deregulation,” the ruse by which they create disaster and then happily loot the Treasury of billions — and has nothing at all to do with Reid, with unions, or with Obama. And if you mean to suggest that McCain would have been a better selection than Obama, then you’re just simply delusional and have no understanding whatsoever.

  • CozmicSeer

    So true. They are like a bad drug user(as opposed to those that can use them responsibly), always wanting that next fix, in their case more money and power. Of course, this causes one’s brains to turn to manure after so long. I’d say that they seem to have major symptoms of this addiction.

  • CozmicSeer

    They are fascists. Wikipedia says “Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.” Seems to fit them to a ‘T’.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6VIII2XPU4HUPLANTLEJGSYN7A jARED

    For all the fools that claim Obama is right of center or a secret Republican, I hope they lose their unions and maybe they’ll realize what the real “right” is currently.

  • RichWa

    It is not labor union rights that GOP/TEA Party wants to get rid of, it workers’ rights as in human rights. Just as it is people that make the decisions at corporations such as Monsanto (Hugh Grant), Koch Industries (Koch brothers), etc so too is it people that make up unions. Just as the overlord wannabes use laws of incorporation to shield their profits and criminal actions, so too do they use unions to depersonalize their human targets and to enable their on-going deconstruction of human rights. We need understanding that our Civil War was just another battle in the on-going war between those who would enslave (literally!) us and those who believe in basic human rights.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4R2P2BMMM5JTCYWGEU4YW6UWQ Dago T

    Had to go all the way to the SECOND WORD to find a mistake in this story:

    “Who was the principle financiers … .”

    Who WERE!!!

    PLURAL!!!

    JFC, doesn’t anyone remember how to write in this stupid country!

  • http://www.lynchgraphics.com David Lynch

    Kochsuckers!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJJ4KEVT2Z5RDHTIRGJOUWL2EA Paul M

    John, these elite “super Rich” persons are all gravely mentally ill! Their insatiable appetite for money has been progressively associated with the psychological disorders that bind them. They are a global “units” of professed plutocrats, autocrats, warmongers and destroyers of nations. To them this is game of nothing but power.

    They are unsatisfied with having millions and billions they needed a new challenge to confront their deranged ideology of power supreme. None of them are religious in the sense of believing in a supreme being. To them, together, they become the omnipotent masters of the world. So, the reason that these “scum bags who are already wealthy beyond any reason want more”, is because they want to play god. Having the power to say who lives and would shall die! To them, nothing short of this achievement will suffice.

  • Anonymous

    WHY ARE THOSE FKRS STILL ALIVE?!

  • Anonymous

    Time to put the cock brothers into the crosshairs.

  • Anonymous

    The billionaires ony have your best interests at heart that’s why we should do what they say. Plus god gave them that money so it shows he loves them and trusts more than you and I to do the right thing and guide the little people. And also one day I too may be such a billionaire and so I want you little people to do what I say when that happens.
    YEEEEEEHAW Teabag forever!!

  • Anonymous

    yes, there is something very wrong with this type of “person”
    my conclusiton is that these are actually aliens from other planets here to steal our resources.

    They clearly are not human.

    I believe Stephen Hawking predicted this would happen at some point in the future. He is wrong about that point, they are here already: think the kochs, cheney, murdoch, massey, exxon, bp, and on and on.

  • mjcc1987

    Unfortunately, the majority of the House and large parts of the Senate, along with at least 5 members of the Supreme Court would disagree with you. Corporations are now individuals with supercitizenship and own whatever their eyes gaze upon and purchase.

    We have allowed our local, state, and federal politicians to do this for decades under the guise of trickle down. When someone chirps up we call them socialists, communists, and muslims. We denigrate, ridicule, and demonize them, we suggest they are unAmerican, revoke citizenship, or perhaps worse.

    We allowed this and still do. Pro-Walker supporters simply don’t care, don’t think, and simply want to oppose someone. Someone has to be at fault and Koch, Newt, Sarah, Bachmann have tapped into the “it’s their fault” and we play along.

    I think this is called the Stockholm syndrome.

  • Anonymous

    Because they refuse to do die before they achieve their goal of owning everything and reducing America to a nation of peasants that they can rule over.

  • Anonymous

    These two bastards are everywhere there is a river to pollute or a politician to buy. What’s that term for when the government is run by corporations? Oh yeah, ……FASCISM!

  • Anonymous

    We agree on this. It would be refreshing to get information minus spin, opinion, the ever present fluff.
    Important issues are glossed over in a nanosecond. Scandal and Fluff are given way too much time/credence. Journalists should be bird-dogging whoever, whatever. when, where and why diggers.
    Facts,polls, the whole shabang have been co-oped to spread propaganda, mislead, manipulate.

    Back to my original point, if resources are “Commonwealth” then put super bowl ad money toward
    paying off what we owe China.

  • Anonymous

    “As you sow shall you reap.” When I saw the legislation about making the corporations to be individuals and I saw ZERO protests , ZERO attempt to stop this, I knew USA can’t be saved anymore. The public is a giant group of numb and mindless sheeple (see my avatar), that doesn’t care. They are afraid of everything and everyone and they bend over for the smallest threatening.
    Here is the truth: The middle east has been trying to get out of the dictatorships after a long long history of absolute control, all the way back to the Kaliphates and royals , USA is heading the entire opposite way. From democracy to a totalitarian regime, dictated by the wealthiest with absolute control. Don’t ever forget how these “super citizens” merge and divide in order to survive or gain the upper hand all the times.

    Here is what gonna happen: Europe wil get out of the financial crisis. The middle east will be still boiling for years to come from protests. For USA, just erase it off the map, or better, mark it as a 3rd world country with an absolute control by a few wealthy on the top. You will be driving your 25 year old car 25 years from now if you are lucky to find a somewhat drivable pavement.

  • Anonymous

    Walker is a corporate shill for the koch bros.! Who woulda thunk? Walker and his masters are anti American! They hate America, Americans and everyone who isn’t in the wealthy elite. This is class warfare! We have defined the enemy, now it is time to fight that enemy! This country is great because of the unions who gave us a living wage, job security, health benefits, safety regulations. All of which, the republicans and their wealthy masters want to eradicate so they can amass more wealth. The koch bros. and their ilk, care only about amassing more wealth. They don’t care how or on whose backs they accumulate it or what it does to our country, they care only about their greed! How Un American is that? They should be cut off at the knees and sent back to their mansions with the fear of god put in them! Hey walker, how fast do you think the crap brothers will turn on you if you can’t get the collective bargaining rights stopped?

  • mjcc1987

    I don’t disagree with you. I hold out some hope, with activities I see in Wisconsin, but the President’s tepid and lame support tells me that we are fucking doomed as a nation. We are actually actively participating in our own destruction. We have baggers who demand that they be allowed to be fired for any reason, that their children be worked as slave labor, and that the common good is socialism. However, this will not work well for the rich as well. A vibrant middle class is what makes the rich rich. No middle class, no one to make money off of.

  • Anonymous

    They are the product of a rich family. They did not earn their position. They inherited. They have no idea how to earn a living so they are unconcerned with the plight or reality of a working class American. Those who want to be like them and think that what they have in mind will allow them to rise to the level they will strive for.

    What a joke. Most of the angry baggers are simple working class people. The same type of people who were introduced to a middle class by collective bargining have been taught to hate that which sustains them. When they have been standing in lines for essentials for awhile and some pictures of the locations where our National assets are enriching populations in former third world countries will be the start of the turn around for American citizens.

    Face it. We are a leader in the world of exported resources and the world Corporate army. Bubba in TN lives on the land that has been in the family for generations. He has been given his by birth like the Koch’s boys and thinks that he has made it on his own.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong. They couldn’t care less about the middle class in USA. They have already relocated their financial capital to China and India. They make profits by having people work for 3-4 dollar/hr, and sell their products dirt cheap globally. You think the situation is any different in Europe, but no. You are buying cheap Chinese stuff there too. The difference is, that Europe had enough of it, and the aren’t afraid to protest and call on the destroyers. Europe has more experience about dictatorship and totalitarian attempts, since many of those nations LIVED under dictatorship (monarchies, kingdoms, Stalinist regime) so the destroyers (that’s what I call them) have a harder time there and they will fail to “re-introduce” the same old all over again. The situation is different in USA, which has become a cesspit of self-delusional and arrogant “individuals” , who only care about their own and couldn’t care about the common good. I know I sound I’m scourging here and may sound unfair, but I also blame myself and blame every single other person who failed to make people see the light , failed to wake them up and failed to come up with enough courage to call out on the destroyers and show them who they really are. I see it as my own failure as well and as the quote says “‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”.

  • Anonymous

    Where did I ever suggest McCain would have been a better selection than Obama? McCain is everything Obama is but with with an R party affiliation. Reverend Jessee Jackson would have been a better selection than either of them.

    Reid was the majority leader in the Senate with a VETO PROOF majority–a once in a lifetime shot at ramming the Democratic platform through with republicans just having to sit and watch. And what did we get? Reid is a wuss. He is a disgrace for Nevada.

    Neither party here has clean hands. The unions send tons of cash to Democrats, corporations own the republicans.

    The unions poured endless cash and manpower into supporting the “health care” legislation. Now, it is union companies who have asked for 40% of the waivers from implementing it!

    If you condemn one, you better condemn the other. If you don’t that makes you a hypocrite. I changed my voter registration to independent, because it is no longer party for me anymore. The Democratic party has sold out and turned in its moral compass.

    It’s the person now that decides where my vote goes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJJ4KEVT2Z5RDHTIRGJOUWL2EA Paul M

    Now you´ve done it. I didn´t want to go there…”they clearly are not human”, if i were to start talking about THAT very interesting possibility, these people here would “drum” us off this board. In a previous post under another story line, i had said that a few politicians did not “act” were acting like they were in a “hypnotized” like state.

    Did you see that “clip” of Clinton addressing the———and the ex-cia person was expelled, she did not “skip a beat” on the outburst, didn´t even look! she did seem to be quite “robotic”. You could have probably yelled “fire” and she would have kept on talking away. Anyway, there are many indications that the elite has and is experimenting on it´s “own” to assess mind control. Also, the alien agenda is reality yet to address. But that is another road to go down.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong when you call the Koch-Walker gang Fascistic. Fascism, along with Nazism and Communism, is a European system of thought integrating economic and political theories into a coherent whole. The Tea people, on the other hand, are just a rag tag American trash who have festered out of the American history of land theft, genocide and slavery. They are just a visceral jumble of greed and racism. Theirs is not an ‘ism’ it is a mental disorder.

  • Anonymous

    He is the Kochsuckers’ whore.

  • Anonymous

    The systematic indoctrination of whole, entire populations by means of propaganda and other highly sophisticated mind control methods is down to a science at this point. Through the use of the media, educational systems, military and other social venues there success rate is achieved by starting this indoctrination at a very young age. The whole aim of which is to create a passive population.

  • Anonymous

    Same reply to you as to Pj.

    Reid certainly did win because of union get-out-the-vote and voter intimidation in Las Vegas. They bused them to the polls and stood and watched them go into the booth for Christ sake.

    It shows you just how much influence that had on the election when he almost lost to religious fruitcake Angle.

    And Reid had the highest position in the Senate that could have crafted major legislation for the country in the Democratic tradition. Instead it was watered down and sweetened for republicans. I don’t even want to remember the specific instances where he showed no spine whatsoever time after time.

    He presided during the entire downfall and let Bush go on his merry way as an international war criminal.

    Everything that happens in the Senate affects the states. And the Senate leader is the person who makes it happen. That was Reid!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RT3XX4DFKZ2AD7JHO3D3PZ7G4M ChrisK

    THIS IS THE WAY THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO DESTROY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS, WAKE UP AMERICA ITS TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. TEA BAGGERS ARE ANGRY AND MISGUIDED AND ARE TOOLS OF THE ELITE. HELLO OBAMA, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ACTUALLY STAND FOR SOMETHING!

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    These two should be hiding in a cave in Afghanistan along with their chief propagandist Rupert Murdoch.

  • WitsEnd66

    In return for eradicating unions, they plant to give us through their other political efforts unbreathable air, poisoned drinking water, polluted rivers and streams, dead fish and a permanent underclass. That is the change the Republicans and TeaParty supporters want for you and your children. Wake up America, don’t be their slaves.

  • WitsEnd66

    Amen

  • Anonymous

    Hey. Raw Story> Some effing airline ad is blocking my view of thew discussion and I can’t move it or get rid of it. The United ad is annoying.

  • Anonymous

    I like your idea! Let’s gather the minions of the devil and air drop the kochsuckers and murdick and families into Afghanistan. Confiscate their business and money and pay it toward the deficit they helped create. After all, isn’t that what is done with criminals and terrorist? We confiscate their ill got gains? We have identified the enemy now we must exterminate them.

  • Anonymous

    excellent!

  • Anonymous

    Yes. The media reports on the ‘pro Walker demonstrators’ without ever giving us a sense of the relative size of the ‘competing’ protests. They like a dogfight more than anybody.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes, getting rid of Obama would solve everything. Maybe if Palin or Bachmen aren’t busy…

  • Anonymous

    Veto-proof my ass. If you count the douche-bag dem in nebraska and arkansas, etc. And don’t forget droopy-dog lieberman, a real progressive obama supporter if there ever was one. Reid could have strong armed the way the pugs did under shrub, and I think he should have, but he never had a veto proof majority. Every post you make adds to the ignorance in the world. Get edumicated.

  • Anonymous

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  • Anonymous

    But it looks as though the corporations are using them to further something that looks a lot like fascism to me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    Hey, FDR was against public unions having collective bargaining rights too. Did the Kochs donate to his campaign?

    Maybe mother jones could do a hard hitting investigation on that.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it time to arrest the Kochs and seize all their assets? No one can tell me they don’t have a rap-sheet in waiting that isn’t as long as my arm. No one is that rich, or so obviously corrupt that doesn’t. There isn’t a single dead hooker in their past? Come on guys.

  • Anonymous

    “Reid could have strong armed the way the pugs did under shrub, and I think he should have” .

    You just made my case. That’s what a leader does! Did DeLay have what Reid had?

    How many times did the republicans “threaten” to filibuster and how many times did Reid make them do it? He folded like the wuss he was.

    Edumucation indeed. Get some yourself.

  • http://depublican.com/ Todd Baier

    The largest employment sector in Nevada is the service industry. These workers are represented by the SIEU, which is a relatively new union. The union was formed because of the relatively low wages that these employees recieve. While the union has been ineffective in raising base wages, it has gotten overtime protections and improved working conditions put in place.

    Union representatives may have bused voters to the polls, but as an election judge, I can assure you that they did not watch them go into the booth, unless they were voting themselves. This is a Faux News type of story that is patently false. Further, once in the booth, a voter is free to vote for whom they please. It doesn’t matter what the people outside of the booth think.

    Again, you fail to recognize Jan Brewer’s responsibility for her state, and blame the Federal Government for the woes in Nevada. Perhaps if the voters did not vote for incumbents that have apparent strokes in the middle of debates, the results might be different. Never did hear what the official diagnosis was…

    As for Bush’s war crimes, I blame Eric Holder (and peripherally President Obama) for failing to pursue this. The idea of moving ahead instead of looking back is nice prose, however setting the precedent that there are no consequences for actions is dangerous. Congress should be held responsible for letting Karl Rove off the hook, though. Again, this was not directly controlled by Harry Reid, but rather John Conyers, who obviously dropped the ball.

  • Anonymous

    Combine ayn rand and her love for a serial killer from russia , ronald RayGun, john birchers and roll them up and let the koch brothers light a match and you have the perfect smoke for america.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry. I’ts so easy to be snarky in these posts. I apologize.
    I agree that Reid should have changed the Senate rules. I called his office and asked why Bernie Sanders was the only senator who actually had to stand up and filibuster. (The guy who answered was rude, you could tell he had been hearing that a lot). Reid is a real dissappointment. He should be replaced by someone with vision and spine. But in truth, he never had a veto proof majority. Not that Obama’s tepid leadership would have required it…

  • Anonymous

    You have a well reasoned response and I respect your view, but I totally disagree.

    I was a casino supervisor in Las Vegas in 1980 and I am well aware of the union organizations. Before I managed to get a casino to hire me, and already having detective background, I tried to get a job parking cars. The answer I got was that unless I knew somebody high up in the union, get on their two year waiting list.

    Unions can be good and they can also be bad. They are effectually an inverse monopoly. Monopolies of any kind are usually not a good thing.

    I saw it for myself on television the implied expectation unions had of their employees. Meaning that I saw the union representatives standing near the voting booth they just bused their workers to. They even had an identifying union shirt they were wearing.

    The Senate Judiciary has enormous powers to conduct investigations with subpoena authority if the Senate leader has the moxy to express the desire for it. Reid was a pansy in every way. It started with his faux outrage over the delay of the Phase II report. Then nothing. Pelosi was just as big of a pansy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    I’m sure we can trump something up, comrade.

  • Anonymous

    Guess this makes Governor Mubarek a real Kochsucker, wouldn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    No problem. You have every right to your opinion.

    I just refuse to blindly follow a party anymore that has compromised everything the party used to stand for.

  • Guest

    Send for St Just

  • Anonymous

    In the story, they forgot to mention Rupert Murdoch and Fixed News… Rupert Murdoch gave $1 Million to the Republican Governor’s Association (gee, would that be a UNION for Republican Governors?), who then gave $65,000 to Scott Walker’s campaign…

  • Anonymous

    Charles and David Koch — scum bags!

  • http://www.zazzle.com/fierylocks FieryLocks

    Copy and paste is all you have you mindless drone. Go back and cram your head up Glenn Beck’s ass right after your taxes go toward Michelle Bachmann’s ‘welfare’, ‘socialist’ farm subsidies…Wisconsin Shit For Brains. Fucking hack.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I’m looking for the news in that article? Where is it? Can anybody see it and point me to it?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    How much did the Kock Bros. pay you for making that ignorant post?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    It’s your side that specializes on that, remember?

  • Anonymous

    I guess what I used to “YELL” at Hockey Games would apply here: “KILL!!! KILL!!!

  • yvonneo

    Here’s an interesting comparison between Soros and the koch brothers:

    http://other98.com/soros-vs-koch-infographic/

    This comparison demonstrates the difference in the attitude of those who have struggled to achieve great wealth from humble beginnings versus those that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. The koch brothers and their ilk have never wanted or struggled for anything and have led lives of unimaginable wealth and privilege and yet all they can think of to do is to conjure up more ways to enslave and steal money from those less fortunate. And for what? Apparently, their greed has no bounds. There’s never enough for them and they clearly have nothing but evil intent towards the rest of us. THEY are the real terrorists amongst us and have done more damage and are far more dangerous to our rights, liberties and freedoms than al Queda ever was. They are not only the enemy of the American people, they and their ilk have revealed themselves to be the enemy of all humanity (sometimes I wonder if they’re even human).

    I remember when the John Birch Society was scoffed at, ridiculed and marginalized by both democrats and republicans as being nothing but a bunch of extremist whackos, and yet now these same extremist john birchers (now known as the teabaggers) whackos have transformed the republican party into the john bircher’s teabagger party. The koch brothers and those who are aiding and abetting them must be stopped at all costs–nothing is more important. They have declared war on the American people in general–and specifically, they are actively seeking the destruction of the middle class. So if our democratic society is to survive, we better step up to the plate and start fighting back with all of our might!

    Wisconsin and Ohio are only the beginning. If we are to rid ourselves of these despots and those who are aiding and abetting their rise to power (much like the brownshirts of nazi party), this movement must increase into millions of Americans across the nation coming together in one accord and with one purpose–to stop those treasonous bastards.

    Protests against these greedy pukes and their agenda should begin in every capitol of every state across the nation. For one thing, this will make it easier for people who are unable to travel great distances to take action as concerned citizens against the republicans’ agenda (on behalf of the plutocrats) to destroy the rights of the American worker across the nation.

    Next, they’ll be going after our right to vote–mark my words.

  • Anonymous

    Well folks I know this has been said ad nauseam but be prepared for more of this same bullshit in the future. Our 5 wonderful Reich wing Supreme Court Justices have opened the flood gate with the decision last year on the Citizens United case. Make no mistake not only will we have the billionaire assholes in this country “INVESTING” in the political process in America but stand by for billions to be poured in from foreign Corporations as well. When we ordinary folks contribute to a cause or political campaign there is no way for us to profit we do it because we believe in a cause. However the big money is actually buying the political process and they reap a solid reward for the effort.

  • jim

    wow. i did not realize you were a racist too. please don’t root for the packers. they have BLACK people on their payroll.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Comment withdrawn.

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    F*cking Koch-Suckers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    That’s a good thing to yell at a hockey match and a good thing to yell here!!

  • Anonymous

    I’m not surprised these lurer of money are heavily financing this push to reverse our labor laws!

    From their point of view, its all about the benjamins! Demoracy, in their opinion, just gets in the way of things, so they are willing to pay any price to change it!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You’ve howled “wolf” once too often, you slithering turd. Nobody’s buying your dickfaced McCarthyite lies any more.

    DEATH TO THE LEGACY OF RONALD REAGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LeftCoastLeftie

    Yeah, maybe if $ister $arah had taken a moment to breast-feed her children they wouldn’t have turned out so vile and hateful, not to mention dumb-as-a-moose. She was probably out soliciting for bribes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Valentine/1277133078 Michael Valentine

    Class warfare.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    And your conclusion is what, exactly? FDR took a lot of reactionary positions. Progressives are not obliged to worship his errors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Maybe a few sections of the National Guard could be recruited to the side of justice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    I favor impalement. Their dying shrieks, moans, and whimpers would be broadcast over a stadium-quality sound system and the whole scene would be broadcast over YouTube.

    Hey, can’t you righties take a joke?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    There is no law in this country and the people ought to do something about it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Deleted. Redundant

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    They could be ***********. They could be **********************. Their houses ****************** and the people in them ************************

    God forbid that anyone should ever advocate such dreadful acts or attempt to carry them out!! You’d be no better than they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Does anybody know if Mossberg shotguns are reliable enough to be used for self-defense?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You’re a fucking stooge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    About forty percent of eligible voters voted in 2010.

    “The people” did not elect anybody.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, and now they’re bitching.

    We should actually have a written test that you have to pass before you can vote. That would eliminate about 30% more.

  • Anonymous

    You are looking at the co-opted tea party. The original tea party from2007 is long gone

  • Anonymous

    Why are the KOCH brothers not being protested everywhere they go?

    This post is a good one. KEEP IT UP!
    These non-human trash needs to be exposed more and more as un-American traitors who are stealing our money and trying to turn our country into a fascist state.

    Wisconsin is just a taste of what awaits them on a national scale.

  • Anonymous

    And in 23 months the senate will be in GOP hands

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Yes indeed, and the oligarchs should start trembling. Suggest they read up on what happened to the autocrats during the Russian revolution.

  • mjcc1987

    Not so sure about that. If the Democrats can take advantage of the “anti” rage going on, then a large shift again could occur and the Dems will maintain control of the Senate and could (I doubt it) gain the House. At the very least, could narrow the numbers that the repuglies have in the House. Obama will win another term and by large numbers.

    However, the underlying issues will remain the same and corporations will still control our lives and dictate to both parties what is and is not acceptable. Businesses and Wall Street will still play with our money and we will be forced to bail them out.

  • spike91nz

    Good to remember that the Koch money comes from one of the founders of the John Birch Society. These guys are one jack boot away from stopping the pretence and rallying the troops to suppress the worker. You will notice that Walker did not submit a bill relieving the collective bargaining rights of the police and law enforcement. He still needs those guys to keep the masses under control. Time for the police union to stand with the teachers and send a message to the ruling class that they can’t be bought.

  • Anonymous

    With 25 to 28 seats to capture or hold . I am just bracing myself.

  • yvonneo

    “Time for the police union to stand with the teachers and send a message to the ruling class that they can’t be bought.”

    Check it out:

    “In one development, one of the unions that did support Walker in the 2010 election, the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Association (and would benefit from his plan)– has released a statement repudiating the union’s endorsement.”

    “I specifically regret the endorsement of the Wisconsin Trooper’s Association for Gov. Scott Walker,” executive board president Tracy Fuller writes in a statement dated February 16. “I regret the governor’s decision to ‘endorse’ the troopers and inspectors of the Wisconsin State Patrol. I regret being the recipient of any of the perceived benefits provided by the governor’s anointing. I think everyone’s job and career is just as significant as the others…”

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/labor-pains-pro-walker-troopers-union-repudiates-endorsement-in-wisconsin.php?ref=fpa

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Fascism actually prided itself on being incoherent. You were supposed to act without thinking.

    When Ezra Pound met Mussolini, he said he was retiring to his favorite town to “put his ideas in order.”

    Mussolini said, “Why do you wish to put your ideas in order?”

    Pound thought that was the most brilliant thing he had ever heard.

  • Anonymous

    These Koch boys are now part of the Bush family and I’m positive that I saw the same DOG pissing or both family trees. I have often wondered why G. H. W. was sent to the pacific threatre unit till it dawned on me it would have been a conflict of interest if George was fighting the 3rd Riech while Prestcott was doing business with them.

  • enorceht

    hey davey, or is that you chuckie … come on now, stop playing, you must have better things to do, like counting you money or weighing your gold …

    why bother us poor peons … is it just a slow night for you and you’re bored with all your other entainments

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Obama won’t back the unions.

  • spike91nz

    Thank you. That is an encouraging bit of news.

  • spike91nz

    Already happening, with making governments irrelevant to power and allowing only shareholders of corporate stocks voting rights in the decisions which really impact the world. Instead of landowners, it is shareholders and the voting is related to corporate governance which is the only power that matters since the Supreme Court opened the doors to wealth and power cooping the democratic process. Even the shareholder is disenfranchised in family owned “small businesses” like the Koch brothers, where they are the only ones who count in the determination of our collective future.

  • Anonymous

    Lies go better with Koch.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LJRR7PD3J6HVTFH4524CWNSPI Bob

    These are the same basic tactics the Brown Shirts in Germany used to demonize any of their opponents. Goebel’s tactics unfortunately are working well for the right.

    Those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats take advantage of anything? That would involve the titular head of the party taking the lead and
    show a firm hand in dealing with the Wisconsin assault on labor. Forget it…corporate America’s houseboy in the White House will make the proper noises but will do nothing else to prevent the GOP’s wet dream from coming true: the utter destruction of organized labor, not only for public unions but for all union workers. Did anyone here really think the assault on the American worker would stop with public unions? Forget it, what the GOP wants is a nationwide work force of middle class peons willing to work for anything the company will give them. Put that useless tool in the White House for another four years and there’s an excellent chance they’ll get it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LJRR7PD3J6HVTFH4524CWNSPI Bob

    Unfortunately 75% of our citizens DON’T vote, and don’t have the critical thinking skills to even be aware of what’s coming down on them. Bet they know all the details to their reality shows, soaps, sport team members. These are sedatives dispensed by the corporate media and the uber wealthy to keep dumbing people down. Well informed citizens are an anathema to them.

    We’re being taken back to pre-depression times. And, most people are not aware.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LJRR7PD3J6HVTFH4524CWNSPI Bob

    So you voted the Republican bullshit into office??? Great choice. Just wait to their actions catch-up with you, when there will be no more them. Yup, go with the nationalist party.

  • Ma’at

    The time to overthrow the oligarchs has come. It will be done by force if necessary. Remember Egypt.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LJRR7PD3J6HVTFH4524CWNSPI Bob

    Yup, just like the union busters when unions began organizing.

  • Anonymous

    I know most people don’t condone violence to reinforce their cause,but with what is happening presently in Wisconsin,Ohio,and soon to be happening in Iowa,Indiana,and Pennsylvania,who knows????I think going Egypt is the only way out.

  • Anonymous

    The American public… like sheeps unknowingly being led to the slaughter by the greedy interests of Americas oil tycoons… who have a political stranglehold on politics and democracy in our country. Many of our politicians are crooked simply because their campaigns have been largely bankrolled by these oil tycoons and big business interests, and therefore many of our politicians pander to their interests. Naysayers can foolishly scoff at this notion all they want, but sadly, this is the reality of ‘behind the scenes’ politics in our country. Corporate America and a small percentage of the wealthiest people in our nation support their own interests by promoting and financing politicians that will play their game… and it is for this reason that we ALL must support campaign reform in our country! Talk of campaign reform laws throws a BIG scare into these oil tycoons and executives at some of the largest corporations because that levels the playing field with the American public, the American citizens… you know, the people who do most of the work, and do most of the buying and living in our country… the very interests our democratic government is suppose to be supporting… a government for the people, by the people and in the best interests of it’s people!

  • Anonymous

    So, Walker’s another right-wing Koch-sucking politician claiming to be a “public servant” when all he really represents is the private interests of some greedy, mentally-deranged billionaires?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Oh nooooos! Someone who supports a republican has a lot of money! Let’s just hope that george soros, bill gates, ted turner, and warren buffett have never donated to a democrat, ’cause that would blow our whole world view out of the water!

  • Anonymous

    That’s because money is all and everything to these greedheads.
    People are meaningless to them.
    The Koch family are pathological sickos.
    They’ve crossed the line.
    They’re beyond greedy, they’re insane.

  • Anonymous

    Simplistic drivel.
    Try to do better next time, please.

  • parrots_abound

    Why is what he says not valid? And why is it drivel?

    Both parties pander to big money, is he wrong?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PF4BRQDF4633RPXV5TPFG7KV7Y LarryM

    Enemies of “the people”.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah you stupid dumbass we all know both parties take big money.
    Is that your big genius revelation?

    What do you think about the Koch Brothers? Are you defending their activities?
    You dumbass trolls are such a waste of time with your dumbass ignorance whether it’s real or fake.
    Why do you need the world explained to you in minute detail.
    Are you too stupid to know the basic facts of life?
    Or is it just that your goal is to waste people’s time….. or maybe it’s to change the subject?
    Dumbass trolls are such a waste of time.
    Please do better next time or let someone else take a shot.
    Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Has any dem called for 2nd amendment remedies against the Kochs?

  • Anonymous

    “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”
    Benito Mussolini

  • Anonymous

    Fascists Un-American Kochsuckers?

  • parrots_abound

    Well, if I am ‘paid” to be here, then it’s working with you at least. All I have to do is ask a simple question and you froth at the mouth and go ballistic and accuse me of everything under the Sun.

    But to simpletons like yourself, you think me asking a question is ‘defending’ someone. You’re stuck in a rage and lost all coherent thought. It’s actually amusing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

    Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.” successful.

    – Franklin D Roosevelt

    FDR was on the Koch payroll too, right?

  • Guest

    I wonder if they succeed in this union busting they will get rid of Labor Day. Probably not since it’s one of the most “profitable” business weekends in amerika.

    It’s like these asshole’s are replaying the Pullman Strike game all over again and this time they are certain they will win. Unlike then when only after three days “40,000 railroaders had walked out in a sympathy strike, bringing traffic west of Chicago to a halt”; we don’t see the fellows of these brave souls in Wisconsin doing the same this time around. Likewise, there is a semi sympathetic creature to the mass murder brothers like Grover Cleveland at the helm who just might order in the Republican Guard to shoot and beat teachers and others. If Obama does, then Labor Day just might be renamed and from this September on be celebrated as Management Day.

    What is happening in Wisconsin Reader is the definitive David and Goliath story, but this time the faithful are rooting for the giant bad guy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YNDVYXZBJLTQLBO236IRHBR5JU Mark

    It’s so obvious now, that the average republican is being used by the affluent ones. Just like I saw a older tea party member, who looked like he was on his last leg, holding a sign saying get your lousy government hands off my medicare. LMAO what is medicare governemnt funded health insurance.

  • Anonymous

    I agree they don’t care about the middle class but I think both the Koch brothers and you are wrong. The consumer part of the economy is the largest part of the American economy. mjcc1987 is correct, without a strong middle class the economy will whither and die, as it has begun to. The third worlding of the US will not be an economic success for republican plutocrats, but I believe they are lost in an ideological fog. The lost decade in Japans economy and the steeply declining birthrate there point a possible future for the USA.
    I don’t know how you show them for what they are, they have already revealed themselves. It started in the Reagan era when we learned to love the sound a lie makes. I wish all of us had made more noise.

  • Anonymous

    Reid is the Senator from Nevada. Jan Brewer is presently the Governor of Arizona not Nevada, as you imply. She was never elected as governor, she was elected as Secretary of State of Arizona, and stepped up to the governorship when Janet Napolitano stepped down from that post to take over as Secretary of Homeland Security in 2009. Jan Brewer has held several elected offices in Arizona over the years, but that means not much, given that Joe Arpaio has been “re-elected” for several terms as Sheriff of Maricopa County. Google Arpaio’s name if you want to read 549,000 horror stories about THAT corrupt jerk.

  • Anonymous

    I just knew they had to be kochsuckers who put up the money. Did they also give Boner money?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6FSQPG5G2N5SYVOMSZ7SRXG57I Angry Liberal

    Don’t forget, the corporations still control the voting apparatus. First they use their media to create the “conventional wisdom” that the GOP will win big, then they make it happen. The fact that there are no more exit polls in national elections says it all.

  • Anonymous

    Here is Kansas anti-union legislation is being proposed. Of course the Koch’s bought up every politician possible and the media. So my rights as an union member are going to go down the toilet and we barely have any rights as it is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6FSQPG5G2N5SYVOMSZ7SRXG57I Angry Liberal

    OMG, I’ve actually started speculating about this point as well. How else to describe the utter lack of humanity in the “people”? If you were an alien race, and you wanted to take over the earth, would you not use tactics such as these?

  • Anonymous

    I have been teaching for 27 years. Collective bargaining should help keep up with the cost of living. Here in Iowa our governor wants to freeze our wages and increase class size, more work for less pay. At the same time he wants to give corporations tax breaks to come to Iowa, so they can close when the tax breaks end.
    Politicians claim education is important to them, they lie.

  • Anonymous

    I hate assholes like you who waste peoples time with your inane questions like “Daddy why is the sky blue?” It’s not a simple question it’s a meaningless question designed to stop people talking from what is happening now.
    Your job is to just waste people’s time.
    You contribute absolutely nothing to American society. Jackasses like you would sell out America to collect a pathetic paycheck.
    The country would be better off without your idiotic nonsense.
    You’re the American version of a Mubarak or Khadafi employee.
    Completely full of shit.
    And btw you’re not even good at what you do. You’re completely transparent and come off as a talentless idiot.
    Whatever they’re paying you, and it probably ain’t much, it’s too much.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    What do you think this proves?

    FDR took many erroneous positions and undertook many reactionary initiatives–two of them being 1) his project to rescue capitalism from the threat of socialism and 2) the inauguration of the military-industrial complex that has inflicted so much evil on the world.

    We honor his achievements but are not bound to worship his errors.

    Progressives think for themselves and are not the slaves of heroes and holy texts. We can reason dialectically and expect to encounter contradictions in the thinking of historical figures.

    You are simply too stupid to grasp this elementary principle.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    IT WOULD BE WRONG!! some have. HEAVEN AND EARTH ALIKE SHRINK IN HORROR FROM THE AVOMINATION OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE!!! impalement is one option that has been discussed, with a broadcast of all the accompanying shrieks,moans, and whimpers. SHAME ON THOSE WHO WOULD RETURN MURDER FOR MURDER!!!! others merely wish to see their filthy heads blown to stinking pieces. WRONG!! WRONG!! UNSPEAKABLE!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You don’t have the faintest idea what you are talking about, do you?

    Death to the legacy of Ronald Reagan!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    And it’s worse than just not fully collecting what they owe us, WE give THEM more money through subsidies.

    Oil Baron.. it’s a good gig if you can get it (oh, right, you have to be born into it…)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Yes. They should be kept alive, however.

    Never have two more fitting targets for the just rage of the people paraded themselves so repulsively in public view. Everybody hates these subhuman bastards.

    Some people love Warren Buffett and even Bill Gates. Nobody loves the thieving, subhuman Koch family–not even their supporters (the Kochs’ suckers).

    We should fan the flames of that hatred until it becomes a white-hot blaze capable of consuming the Earth itself if need be.

    The Kochs are an irreplaceable resource for the forces of progress.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    The Democrats are sick and unlikely to recover. The Republicans are the vector of the disease.

    The people united cannot be defeated.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    What are you going to do about it, weakling?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    With the advent of the WTO and global trade, the United States’ middle class is no longer meaningful to the profit line of the huge corporations. We, as consumers, are being outsourced as well, into markets that have a LOT more potential for expansion.. consider, the U.S. is 5% of the global population.. that leaves a lot of consumers out there who need to stock up on baubles that the U.S. already owns 3 each of.

    Problem is, no one can eat baubles.. and that’s the main place we’re directing the bulk of our resources these days.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    The only economy that is going to wither and die is the AMERICAN economy… these globalists don’t care because they have, as noted, the bulk of their capital moved out of America.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Between the rich, the game is to see who can get bigger numbers.. it isn’t about purchasing power or buying things they need to survive, it is all a status game and the winner is the one with the biggest number.

    Your life, my life, the lives of hundreds of millions in America.. don’t matter at all. do.not.matter. to these people. In fact, if killing you boosts their number game numbers, you die. If they get away with it blatantly enough, ‘peasants killed’ will also become a number they start comparing and laughing about.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, he was on the 2%ers’ payroll.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “Humanity”, like all human positions about the world, is a learned behavior/belief. These people lack humanity not because they are “aliens”, but because they were raised to value money and playing Monopoly in real life more than they were raised to care about human beings.

  • Jaimie11

    The right has no monopoly on corruption. You are a fool if you believe it does.

  • Jaimie11

    Talk about simplistic drivel. How is it if you point out both sides of the political debate are corrupt that your support one of them? There are people who support neither side who know that *you*, by supporting one side, are defending the activities of corruption and deceit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “I suppose it was ok for Doyle and the Democrat controlled legislature in the past which controlled Wisconsin to vote behind closed doors late at night and force crap down our throats without any debate at all,”

    Nope, if they did that it was most assuredly NOT OK. But Doyle wasn’t running for office, was he? Or, there were other Dems running for that position in any event. So, you didn’t have to support those closed door meetings.

    and you DO realize that Walker caused the money issue he’s using to beat up on Unions with, right? Right?

    “I am an independent voter and voted for the Republicans”

    Are you a millionaire? Because, if not, why did you vote against your own self interests? Why did you vote for a group that is giving millionaires and billionaires more money and taking it from the general public, taking it from YOU and reducing systems of protection for YOU?

  • Jaimie11

    You have a rich fantasy life, don’t you?

  • Jaimie11

    It’s you who have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re a little boy playing on the seesaw.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    and only two posts with that moniker, ever… both in this thread.. how strange that the moniker is picked for just this thread, eh? .. tells me this person has no interest in being an honest participant in any real conversations, just trying to give validity to the right-wing (I’m an independent!”… bullshit) by spewing bullshit in a way that no one can hold the “real person” accountable in the future.

    Kinds of reminds me of the trolls that only show up for specific thread subjects and are never around in ANY other threads.. clearly these aren’t “community members”, but are only looking to inject specific points of propaganda into specific topics. Agent Provocateurs of the Internet.

  • Jaimie11

    “”Time for the police union to stand with the teachers and send a message to the ruling class that they can’t be bought.”"

    That’s funny, they, the teachers, already have been bought. Just the fact that they are demanding taxpayers fund their retirement accounts is evidence that they are are as selfish and greedy. Instead of going after the corrupt money system, the criminal federal reserve, and refusing to pay the illegally created government deficit and all debt obligations, they are going after the taxpayer just like the 2%ers are doing.

  • mjcc1987

    Yet I don’t agree Joe. A vibrant middle class is the only way the “rich” get rich. The “super rich”, which are international corporations make their money nickel and diming all around the globe which add up. Your average wealthy person needs the middle class to purchase shit. Wal-Mart only makes A LOT of money for 3 people yet does make it’s VPs and senior managers rather wealthy. Wal-Mat is a volume business so they need people to buy shit and lots of it. No money, even Wal-Mart’s profits sink.

    No, what we are seeing is a level of ideological suicide bordering insanity. Lower income baggers ACTUALLY demanding that the Koch bitches pay less taxes and have less regulation and less oversight. This goes well beyond what the fuck. This is “if I have to suffer, so will you” mentality. Bring everyone down as opposed to bring everyone up. We are defeated by our defeatist attitude. A sinking boat will take all down eventually.

  • Jaimie11

    Wow! So you are the violent one. Figures.

  • Anonymous

    The paid trolls are all over the internet forums……..chumps!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    The desire to kill filth like the Koch brothers is entirely understandable and praiseworthy. Furthermore, by fanning the flames of the rage that finds expression in this desire, we can help working people come to a new understanding of the oppressive nature of the current social order.

    Since many live day-to-day, armed to the teeth in a homicidal rage frigged up by perverts like Limbaugh and Beck, it does no harm to show the people who their true enemies are.

    Unfortunately, actually gratifying this praiseworthy impulse will only defeat the cause.

    The people are never violent in the initial assertion of their demands. Legitimate popular violence comes into play only when an illegitimate power, having subverted whatever constitution may exist, throws aside its mask of legality and asserts itself by firing anti-aircraft weapons into peaceful crowds or in massacres by the National Guard, such as the capitalist party in the United States are fond of perpetrating.

    In the United States, the cunning manipulation of “legality” on the part of officials put in place by a minority of eligible voters will always give their murders a fraudulent veneer of legitimacy.

    We have seen this many times in America–at Ludlow, during the Pullman Strike, in the minefields of West Virginia and Kentucky, at Kent State, and elsewhere. We may very well see it soon in Wisconsin and Ohio.

    There is no difference in principle between what is being perpetrated in the United States today by the armed right wing and what is going on in Libya. Our tyrants are simply more adept at camouflage.

    Be prudent and organize. Avoid the (so understandable) temptation to go out in a personal blaze of some kind. But never believe that resistance is futile.

  • Anonymous

    First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    -Pastor Niemoller

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4CB4JMBKUBO6NL2RNREZDZUEA Freeky_Fried_Chicken

    Are unions a key part of the downfall of American business?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    As has been pointed out, even Prog Patriarch FDR was against public unions having collective bargaining rights.

    Wisconsin isn’t touching the TRADE unionists.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You’re not intellectually equipped to respond to anything I say. This particular post is entirely meaningless.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    You are a fool period.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Nobody is interested in the sick gyrations of your pointless narcissism. You are irrelevant to this discussion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Of course, nobody’s fantasy life could possibly be as rich as yours.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    This makes no sense at all. Find a right-wing forum in which to vent your meaningless flatulence.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    After Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya, your hypocritical droning on this subject is no more than the buzzing of an insect.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    The Rad Right is nothing but a bunch of Koch suckers… They take weekends, get home at 5 PM, work only 5 days a week, get banker’s holidays, get paid holidays and vacations and Christmas off and don’t even realize UNIONS got that for them. Republicans just took many of those things plus pensions and health plans away from many.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Roosevelt made many mistakes. We honor his achievements, but are not obliged to worship his errors.

    You are an imbecile.

  • Anonymous

    2001 President Bush called Al Queada the enemy of America and Iran the Axis of Evil, little did we know until now the real enemy/Axis of Evil is the Koch Bros and their Corporate Friends as they formed the Tea Party for a front. Welcome to the new Koch America.

  • Anonymous

    Americans constitute 5% of the world’s population but consume 24% of the world’s energy, not an insignificant quantity. And we consume considerably more than our 5% in almost every other category as well. Don’t get me wrong, the Koch brothers are willing to see the American middle class die because are blinded by fascist ideology, but they would suffer financially doing so. It is the oddity of the weirdly sad, decimated America Republicans want to preside over; one not worth ruling. One has to ask, why do Republicans hate America?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Propaganda by the right is only part of it. The other part is the dwindling expectations enforced by the tyranny of capitalism. As people become more and more defeated and demoralized, they resort more and more to addictions to relieve their pain and their ego-defenses become more and more infantile (projection, denial, acting out).

    A vital, healthy working class would not kiss the whips that flog them the way the defeated American workers do.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    It’s hardly irrational not to vote in the barely legitimate American elections. What did working people gain by voting for Obama except scorn and betrayal? I think there was something slightly worthwhile at stake, but it wasn’t victory for the people.

    At some point, ruling-class politics as usual simply become irrelevant to people’s daily lives.

    What we have in fact is an electoral system that is, de facto being boycotted by the majority of eligible voters.

    It’s the system, primarily, and not the alienated voters, that is responsible for this situation.

    Ours is a government that the majority of the people have, for whatever reason, refused to legitimize. This weakens its claim to legitimacy or negates that claim completely.
    (Q.E.D.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Not to deflate the balloon, but I see two big problems for this wonderful but as yet not-very-numerous protest movement: 1) the rank and file of the trades-union workers have to endorse solidarity with the public-sector employees fully; and 2) the union workers have to be joined by the masses of non-union workers–who will require a share of movement control that the present, Reagan-contaminated union bureaucracies may not be willing to give up.

    The AFL-CIO have recently been taking a much better-sounding line than they did in the deluded, Reagan-loving past, but they have a long way to go before the masses of workers can be expected to trust them fully–or will cease to be confused by some of the contradictions in their approach.

    This is a much bigger obstacle to the progressive movement than the opposition of our Republican Qaddafis, who can be sent packing in a moment if the people unite to demand it and are willing to pay the price.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    The only effective reply to Obama’s betrayals of the Left is a strong people’s movement united behind the just demands of labor.

    If such a movement takes shape, the Democrats will scramble to appeal to it. If not, they will continue to capitulate.

    In the larger sense, the continuation of the current political system, while it can’t be addressed by an armed conspiracy, is nevertheless not to be taken for granted.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Without a powerful and independent workers’ movement, such as existed before World War II and the military-industrial dictatorship, the Democrats will never do anything really good.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Exactly wrong. The people perceive correctly that the system is bankrupt, and they refuse to legitimize it.

    Without a powerful labor movement, this problem cannot be addressed.

    Attacking the intelligence of people who do not vote is like blackguarding “drunken Indians.” You are mistaking the symptom for the cause.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Hmmmmm.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    If the workers fail to unite, that may very well be the outcome.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Just remember: the problem isn’t only the Kochs, it’s also the Kochs’ suckers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TF72KWIG5DGSPE3ZXDK6FX4KTQ Robert Burned

    Obama is very right-of-center.

    But form a powerful cross-union, all-inclusive labor movement, and Obama won’t matter any more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z3PLABAUGXIYGNPWIQMHBIM3LM Joe the Cabinetmaker

    Their misdirection play has the teabaggers by the short hairs. They rail about “taxes and spending” but somehow think it is just fine for the idle rich who earn their fortune through “investments” to pay a 15% tax rate while a Walmart greeter in Alabama pays nearly double.

    They let the corporate swine on the right convince you that “taxes are bad” but don’t spend a second trying to differentiate between income levels and the wealthiest paying their fare share.

    Here is their deal circa 1980… Lower taxes on the rich so far that it creates a “budget shortfall crisis”.. creating a tool to attack anything that helps the middle class, the poor, job creation, health… The clamor for more tax cuts to “spur growth”… then with the resulting loss of jobs, attack social security, medicare while further lining the pockets of the wealthiest…. Then attack green energy, try and make the clean air and water acts the new enemies (as they hamper “growth”), further line their pockets while insuring a future that is similar to “the gilded age” where you will have the very, very wealthy and a serf population that can not even scrape by while being poisoned by a dirty planet.

    Ahh, the good old 1890′s… The fools who vote for these GOP swine are not only in some kind of trance, they are complicit in the destruction of the middle class in this country. I say let’s storm the mansions of these criminal swine and drag these quaffed, plastic faced a$$es out into the street… and liberate their holdings in the process! Madison, Madison, Madison

  • Anonymous

    Who said they did?
    Dumbass.

  • Anonymous

    “You’re a little boy playing on the seesaw.”
    Haha!
    That’s some argument, you moron.
    You’re a funny guy, but it’s probably not intentional.

  • Anonymous

    Who said I “support one of them”, you lying piece of shit…..besides you?

  • Anonymous

    My guess is my life is probably richer than yours in multiple ways and you will say I’m wrong, whatever.. who cares, it’s not important.

    The majority of Americans are too busy with working to provide for and raising their families and are more concerned about economic security and a better life for their children than meaningless debates about Abraham Lincoln and all the other inane troll bullshit.
    What concerns them is the decline of the American middle class, not your inane distractions.

    I would hope you have some kind of life, career, family and would have better things to do also.
    If not, too bad for you, that’s pretty sad and pathetic.

  • Jaimie11

    You are not intellectually equipped to understand anything beyond your simplistic opposition logic. And you are correct – your post IS entirely meaningless.

    Additionally, your comments reveal you are committed to perpetuating the dualism of the current political climate. That is an indication you are a troll for the interests of the oligarchs, as perpetuating dualism is precisely how they manipulate the electorate into complying with their nefarious plans.

  • Jaimie11

    You did in your response to Paul Rogers. You’re one of those people who, if someone states an idea, immediately stakes out the opposite position instead of taking a moment to think.

    If that is not what you are doing then you are very good at hiding your true purpose.

  • Jaimie11

    It’s quite telling how the trolls all like to recommend violent revolution, lots of killing and blood lust. Your masters will love to discredit dissent by labeling it violent, and you’ll hand that to them for what, 30 pieces?

  • Jaimie11

    Ooh! You are revealing your sycophantic adoration for your owners. Keep it up, bobby.

  • Jaimie11

    Amazing how you support violence on one thread and then argue against it on the next. Not a very stable person, are you?

  • http://twitter.com/52jersey Harold OBrien

    I agree. Perhaps this is one reason history is no longer taught in schools.

  • Anonymous

    Bullshit.
    Very lame bullshit.
    Project much?

  • Anonymous

    Blah, blah,yada, yada, look over there, blah,blah, distraction, blah, yada, complete bullshit, yada, yada, hey,let me waste your time, blah blah, yada, yada, look at me, blah blah, redundant, yada, blah.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Project much?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TX3MXXPF52BXCKGNLDNPADILPQ paul rogers

    Amusing, but scary. Don’t forget that 2fat2fish isn’t 2fat2vote. ACORN will bring him several ballots to his lazyboy.

  • Anonymous

    Because you moron there are degrees of corrupt. You cons/trolls/facists/AmericanTaliban members are to dense to live.

  • Anonymous

    WOW Jaimie did you think that up all by yourself? Once more so even a moron like you can understand it.
    There are degrees of corruption. Get it?

  • Anonymous

    I was making a point. No political leader on the left has made such a call. But political leaders on the right have.

  • Anonymous

    No. He was just wrong.

  • Anonymous

    After 1 year in office he can be recalled.

  • Anonymous

    LOL I had my mailman arguing with me. He is a staunch con and was mad that the postal service was going to layoff workers and close stations. Then he railed on about the socialist Obama and the left.

  • Anonymous

    And FDR was wrong on that issue. He was wrong on many issues. He was also right on many issues. So what is your point?

  • Anonymous

    No

  • Anonymous

    When these men remain in their gated communities out of fear for their lives, then and only then will Americans have begun the long road to reclaiming their nation from the 5,000 WEALTHIEST OLD WHITE MALE THUGS, THIEVES, LIARS & COWARDS who have achieved their position in life through destroying th lives of others – willfully – daily.

  • Anonymous

    Hey you stole my line.
    Come up with your stuff, instead of regurgitating my responses.
    You lack imagination, dumbass.

  • Anonymous

    Why didn’t the article mention how much money the union thugs gave the democrats to protest,or why the man in Washington sent his goons into Wisconsin to create trouble. Lets hear hoe involved One Big Ass Mistake America is involved in this.

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