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Researchers: Earth will be ‘unrecognizable’ by 2050

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Monday, February 21, 2011 8:28 EDT
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WASHINGTON — A growing, more affluent population competing for ever scarcer resources could make for an “unrecognizable” world by 2050, researchers warned at a major US science conference Sunday.

The United Nations has predicted the global population will reach seven billion this year, and climb to nine billion by 2050, “with almost all of the growth occurring in poor countries, particularly Africa and South Asia,” said John Bongaarts of the non-profit Population Council.

To feed all those mouths, “we will need to produce as much food in the next 40 years as we have in the last 8,000,” said Jason Clay of the World Wildlife Fund at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

“By 2050 we will not have a planet left that is recognizable” if current trends continue, Clay said.

The swelling population will exacerbate problems, such as resource depletion, said John Casterline, director of the Initiative in Population Research at Ohio State University.

But incomes are also expected to rise over the next 40 years — tripling globally and quintupling in developing nations — and add more strain to global food supplies.

People tend to move up the food chain as their incomes rise, consuming more meat than they might have when they made less money, the experts said.

It takes around seven pounds (3.4 kilograms) of grain to produce a pound of meat, and around three to four pounds of grain to produce a pound of cheese or eggs, experts told AFP.

“More people, more money, more consumption, but the same planet,” Clay told AFP, urging scientists and governments to start making changes now to how food is produced.

Population experts, meanwhile, called for more funding for family planning programs to help control the growth in the number of humans, especially in developing nations.

“For 20 years, there’s been very little investment in family planning, but there’s a return of interest now, partly because of the environmental factors like global warming and food prices,” said Bongaarts.

“We want to minimize population growth, and the only viable way to do that is through more effective family planning,” said Casterline.

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  • Anonymous

    They were saying the same thing about 40 years ago. Deja vu…

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    I would not worry too much about 2050. With the way the riots are going, one of these dictators will send a nuke. That’s all it will take for a world wide elimination.

  • Taleisin

    Well , here is Australia, we have coal seam gas drilling on much of our best farm land. The fracking chemicals are leaking into the underground water supply which is dropping fast. Methane is leaking unchecked into the atmosphere.
    As so much of Australia is already useless desert, we may lose a lot of our agricultural land in a few years and start farming our rainforests. Fuel seems to be more important than food.

  • Anonymous

    Soilent Green………

  • Anonymous

    How could we have thought this would last forever. No, we can’t even agree on climate change, it’s always about the money. We will eventually run out of oil, clean water and breathable air. It won’t be one thing that does us in it will be a combination, a massive fish die off, and the inability to produce enough food to feed the masses. Our world is in real peril, it may not happen in the next decade or so but it is coming. I thank God don’t have children but those of you who do should think hard about what we will leave them. I guess it’s just human nature, we are so consumed by our own little universe that we are incapable of dealing with serious issues.

  • Anonymous

    The way the Republicans are going about destroying America and their total disregard for global warming I’m not surprised.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6VIII2XPU4HUPLANTLEJGSYN7A jARED

    They are doing this in the US at an alarming rate, and in the last decades several huge lawsuits have appeared but stalled over groundwater pollution that’s obvious and very bad. I think there is a new one less than 100 miles from San Francisco. I really find it hard to believe that the momentum to remove and utilize natural resources will ever be checked by the fact that it might make our land unlivable. I guess the people doing it can afford to live elsewhere.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NVKAE5H6DBXJ6SO7MAHH4YUL3A CD

    Who’s “they” Pinner? Nice strawman, but hey, don’t discuss the real issue of our not addressing unrestrained population growth and the profound effect that it will have on our habitat and ever increasingly strained (and finite) resources. I know what will solve our future problems, being increasingly greedy now!!!

  • Guest

    But will this news make lawmakers all over the world put a moratorium on births? HA!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    “WASHINGTON — A growing, more affluent population competing for ever scarcer resources could make for an “unrecognizable” world by 2050, researchers warned at a major US science conference Sunday.

    Uh, huh! Can we say Psych Ops, boyz and guls?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Never mind births, how about capping all the shit we’re putting into the atmosphere from emissions to farts?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The only dictators with nukes you need to worry about are the ones in Tel Aviv.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    It’s not about unrestrained population. It’s about the way we’re raping the planet in pursuit of instant profits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “I guess it’s just human nature, we are so consumed by our own little universe that we are incapable of dealing with serious issues.”

    I suggest you go watch http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com and understand that this is 100% driven by the money system put in place by those that “own all the resources” as a way to acquire all the wealth. Consumption as we do in the modern Western nations is not about living, it’s about consuming to keep the cycle alive. It has _nothing_ to do with “human nature”, and everything to do with conditioning and brainwashing.

    There is more than enough food to feed all those that are dying of starvation today. They don’t have food not because there is no food available, but because they don’t have cash to trade for it. It is not a lack of resources that is killing those people, it is a lack of _access_ to those resources. In the modern world, all the land/resources are owned by a very few people… and they demand we slave away for them in some capacity if we want “some crumbs of what they control”. Problem is, there simply aren’t enough “jobs” for everyone to have one.. and that’s going to get worse with more mechanization. Expect 75% global unemployment over the next 15 – 20 years, and 90% by 2050. …. and in our current system, if you have no job and no money, you’re not allowed to have any food. That’s going to be an issue for, oh, I don’t know.. 6 billion people?

  • Dolmance

    Actually, they weren’t saying the same thing at all 40 years ago. That’s nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    so glad I never had kids…
    and to those who say “if I can afford to have 4 kids, I should be able to have them”: fuck you, you selfish pig.

  • Anonymous

    Soylent, I think….mmmm yummy.

  • Taleisin

    Who will be in charge of Pakistan’s nukes in 10 years? There’s a worry.

  • Anonymous

    “They don’t have food not because there is no food available, but because they don’t have cash to trade for it.” That is exactly right, Joe. As always, its all about the money and the hell with human suffering. BTW, great recommendation on the Zeitgeist movie, too bad that isn’t shown in every high school in the country – for starters.

  • Spire

    “there’s been very little investment in family planning”

    “I’m a Republican and I don’t care” — (sung to the tune of python’s lumberjack song)

  • Guest

    You BETTER mind births! That is “Patient “X” in the downfall of the planet! Too many consumers, not enough planet resources.

  • Anonymous

    Switching to vegetarianism would do much to help this situation. I switched 32 years ago!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WWCMCTVZKAI2L66AZGGIW6VJIE donn

    it’s true that as people become more affluent, they eat higher off the food chain, which means more inputs are embedded in each calorie… what will offset this trend is, that as people become more affluent, they will have less children, so population leveling off and the rising demand and therefore cost of meat and dairy will force folks to get their protein more efficiently… unfortunately, as folks get richer they use dramatically more energy… the resulting carbon emissions will accelerate ocean acidification and decimate fisheries, which are a primary source of protein for many populations… unless there are break throughs in energy and or sequestration technologies that can be quickly implemented, the outlook is not promising

  • Political Atheist aka Javaman

    Eating our planet to death.

  • Political Atheist aka Javaman

    yeah, 40 years ago our population was half of what we have today.

    You’re a fucking fool.

  • Political Atheist aka Javaman

    as I posted above, 40 years ago, the earth’s population was half of what it was today.

    Not only is the population growing, it’s growing an an alarming rate.

    If you choose to keep your head in the ground, knock yourself out. Worms will be your only food source.

    Being slow and stupid is no way to go through life.

  • Taleisin

    None of the fracking ingredients have not been tested by our government but the ingredients are secret due to patent law. All we can be told is, ‘They are really deadly.’

    The government sold off our power stations a few years go and now the new companies are out of control sucking up the gas. The government is very happy about it.Its talking about a carbon tax.

    Our farms out west, get one good soak of rain once a year, if they are lucky. Then, no rain for the rest of the year. They survive on bore water. One farmer’s artesian water level has fallen 10 metres and he only has 5 metres of water left. And there is fracking chemicals in it. The farming communities are as mad as buggery but they are shouting at a brick wall. They have gone to the cities to protest outside the gas offices.

    Someone is making lots of money. I hear Dubai is very nice this time of year.

  • Political Atheist aka Javaman

    The first half of that movie is good, then in kills itself by turning into a libertarian’s manifesto in th second half.

    Turn it off at the 30 minute point and you will have a good short film. Leave it on and it turns into stupidity thus destroying the first 30 minutes.

  • http://thetinfoilhatsociety.com/ Susan

    Family planning doesn’t work when a family has to have an average of five children to ensure there is ONE that lives to adulthood to take care of the parents in their old age. Food security, basic sanitation and preventative health care, education, and sustainable anti poverty methods do. People will have fewer children on their own (look at the great portion of America and Europe for example) when their basic needs are taken care of.

  • Dolmance

    You got all that from my simply writing that they weren’t saying the earth would be recognizable 40 years ago? It sounds like you’re talking to voices only you can hear.

  • Anonymous

    The operative word here is “could”, which I hold equally possible as “could not”. Headlines that have the worlds “may” and “could” in them are useless.

  • DesertSun59

    “To feed all those mouths, “we will need to produce as much food in the next 40 years as we have in the last 8,000.”

    It’s called ‘the exponential function’. It’s math. Plain ole math.

    But humans are not designed to understand what exponential growth means or how it operates in the real world. This exponential growth of energy need, our debt, population growth, etc, is the cause of ALL of our contemporary ills. In the US, our Constitutional democracy doesn’t have any methodologies built into it to manage exponential growth of any sort. Capitalism will not fix it. The GOP and the Dems are incapable of understanding it and are fighting a battle against each other that can’t be won.

    There is absolutely no way out of this mess unless we stop human population from growing at an exponential rate. ***But that’s not going to happen.***

    So, the 21st century will be the most devastating century in human history. Those alive today will witness the utter demise of civilization as we currently know it due to nothing more than not understanding how exponential growth affects everything.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PSKROFVS7E4PVTI2CEPLFWEJII John

    I’ll be around 110 then. Will there still be weed, peanut butter and Saltines to keep me from whining?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    For purposes of brainwashing, fearmongering and hysteria, shoulda, coulda, woulda are just as good as should, would, could. The audience such propaganda is aimed at don’t speak English too good. Or read it. Or write it. Or understand it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    But, if we do that, how are we gonna target practice then?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    At the rate the CIA is firing up those drones, they may hit a nuke one day thinking it’s a really fat “insurgent”

  • Anonymous

    I’m not too worried about the food shortage… I think the study failed to take into account that lard butt Rush Limbaugh should be dead by then.

  • risa bear

    Not that it’s going to help all that much, but if you have a yard, consider not mowing it this year. Plant fruit trees all around the perimeter, fence a few chickens (if allowed) or duck in with the trees. Make the rest of the place into raised beds and cold frames. Eat. Food is going to beat hell out of whatever else you’ve been doing around the place.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    What the population scaremongers (people haters?) don’t tell you is that population growth rates are declining, and by the middle of this century, if current trends continue, population will peak, and then begin to decline. Throwing condoms at poor people is not the way to reduce population growth. More equitable distribution of resources is the best way to preserve civilization.

  • ghostof911

    I live in Pennsylvania where fracturing has been going on for years. There have been reports of people being able to keep a fire lit with the gas coming out of the kitchen faucet.

    A string of incidents in places like Wyoming and Pennsylvania in recent years has pointed to a possible link between hydraulic fracturing and pollution of groundwater supplies. In the worst case, such pollution could damage crucial supplies of water used for drinking and agriculture.

    Here in Dimock, about 30 miles north of Scranton, Pa., 13 water wells, including that of Ms. Switzer, were contaminated by natural gas. One of the wells blew up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/business/energy-environment/08fracking.html

  • ghostof911

    About the chemicals used for fracturing.

    According to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, which is going through a public review of its new rules on hydraulic fracturing, gas companies use at least 260 types of chemicals, many of them toxic, like benzene. These chemicals tend to remain in the ground once the fracturing has been completed, raising fears about long-term contamination.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/business/energy-environment/08fracking.html

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    I’m Republican and I don’t care
    I’ve got mine, and your share
    I chop down trees, I eat big meals
    And drive a great big car
    I pay no fucking taxes
    And eat fresh caviar

  • Taleisin

    Well if you keep feeding them McDonald Burgers, they will get fat.
    I am sure the CIA doesn’t make mistakes like that. They can spot WMDs with a satellite picture. I think they know what they are doing. ;)

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    Libertarian manifesto? Looks more like Maoism to me.

  • ghostof911

    But haven’t you heard? The Republicans in Congress just voted to cut off funding for rubbers for poor people.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49830.html

  • Anonymous

    Paul Ehrlich wrote The Population Bomb in 1968 with his wife Anne. And what pinroot fails to mention are the many predictions Ehrlich made have become reality. He was ahead of his time with the pointing out the problems we face with population. Very brilliant man.
    Another book, The Closing Circle by Barry Commoner, 1971, was also ahead of its time. It exposed the result of capitalism having a negative effect on the environment and how population increase is a part of that problem. Here are Commoners Four Laws of Ecology. He was of course called a wacko for these, but as we know he was right on target.

    Everything is Connected to Everything Else. There is one ecosphere for all living organisms and what affects one, affects all.

    Everything Must Go Somewhere. There is no “waste” in nature and there is no “away” to which things can be thrown.

    Nature Knows Best. Humankind has fashioned technology to improve upon nature, but such change in a natural system is, says Commoner, “likely to be detrimental to that system.”

    There Is No Such Thing as a Free Lunch. Exploitation of nature will inevitably involve the conversion of resources from useful to useless forms.

    People were saying some of the same things forty years ago, they were correct then, and correct now.

  • ghostof911

    Great points. If everyone followed your suggestions it would make a difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mdetrano Marc DeTrano

    And the conservative House just voted to defund Planned Parenthood. What a joke. The world obviously needs more family planning services, not less.

  • Anonymous

    Some very brilliant people were saying pretty much the same thing forty years ago.

  • Anonymous

    excuse me, but just look at the math… it took 200,000+ years for there to be 1 billion homo sapiens in 1900. i was watching the popclock in 1999 when it passed 6 billion, 12 years before the UN predicted that would occur in 1970… the next billion will take 10, not 12 yeas. by 2050, not 9 billion as stated, but 11 billion. bucky fuller said that with good management ‘spaceship earth’ could handle 10bln… seen any good management here lately?

  • Anonymous

    Voluntary population control now, or forced population control later.

  • Guest

    We are playing the Russian roulette version of musical chairs . . . and have no idea who’s turning the music on and off.

  • Guest

    We are playing the Russian roulette version of musical chairs . . . and have no idea who’s turning the music on and off. The music, by the way, is Harry Chapin’s ‘Dance Band on the Titanic.’

  • Guest

    We’re playing the Russian roulette version of musical chairs but nobody knows who is turning the music on and off . . . but it sounds like Harry Chapin’s “Dance Band on the Titanic’

  • Anonymous

    You write, “you can place all the projected world population into a land mass approximately the size of Alaska.” Which is true, but only if you give each of the 2 billion new people 30 square inches. A bit crowded perhaps but the body heat and off gassing from those people would make for a warmer and stinkier place out of Alaska. What you lack in smarts, azhermit, you more than make up with your twisted humor.

  • Anonymous

    And wouldn’t that be just lovely. Cramming a few hundred billion more people on the earth just because it can be done.

    Pat Robertson is always saying the same thing: “Why Texas alone could hold 20 billion people comfortably!”

  • 7rob7

    I agree. You’ve got an eight-year lead on me, and I applaud you for it.

  • Anonymous

    No, it will be the Soylent vats for you.

  • Roberthe

    There seems to be a belief centered around opposition to positions such as this article’s (growing population and decreasing resources equals disaster) that it is all an insidious plot by tree-hugging abortionists working for BigCorp™. However, the planet is most definitely finite, as are the resources it contains. There inevitably must be a point where population exceeds capacity: how large a population do we need before we cross the line into unsustainability? Some say we passed it several years ago and are able to maintain our levels of population and consumption solely because of our over-reliance on fossil fuels. Others seem comfortable with the specter of a world population 250% larger than today’s, that we will have no trouble whatsoever feeding that many. Nobody (at least that I have heard of) suggests a population of 50 billion being sustainable. Perhaps we will level out in population at 9 billion and all will be peachy. However, it’s not peachy now at 7 billion and we already are feeling the effects of resource asphyxia; it’s not as if we are about to discover vast untapped reserves of water, minerals, arable land or energy. It seems to me we either face this issue and act rationally or we cast our fates to the winds, party down in our over-consuming orgy of self-aggrandizement, and leave a despoiled planet to the cockroaches and the jellyfish.

  • Anonymous

    We’ve known for decades that most of the world’s problems are caused by overpopulation. I don’t blame the ignorance of the developing nations, but I do blame ideologue conservatives and Christians who have waged war on family planning. The greatest ignorance lies within the developed world.

  • Anonymous

    Lets hope he keeps shoving it down pie hole and sitting on his “lard butt”. His longevity odds don’t look so good. However, just remember, there will always be someone to take his place.

  • Anonymous

    yes, and they were correct then too… over 20 global environmental disasters all converging into catastrophe… not just global warming… growing holes in ozone… pacific garbage island now the size of australia… asia smog cloud… bee-bat-butterfly extinctions… rainforest destruction… air, water, toxic, nuclear waste mountains… 7x more people than in 1900… etc. kiss her goodbye… what can you say of a species which cuts down old growth forests for toilet paper and newspapers… that uses the seas for toilets?

    in 1492, 65+mln natives and 110mln buffalo lived in this hemisphere… by 1900, just 3mln natives left… by 1972, 30,000 buffalo left.

  • Anonymous

    i saw a bumper sticker on a hummer said ‘top of the food chain and proud of it.’ and another that said ‘get yours now while there’s still some left!’

  • Anonymous

    sorry, but it took 200,000 years of homo sapiens to be 1 billion in 1900… it is 110 years later and the population is almost 7bln… and it won’t be 9bln in 2050 but over 11bln… this is planet death. most are lemmings with a few ostriches heads in sand…

  • Anonymous

    well, rachel carson’s ‘silent spring’ was then… and ‘the population bomb,’ too. and lovelock’s global warming thesis was mid-1970s and validated by the US navy in 1983… though apparently bush and others who still call warming a hoax haven’t noticed… for instance the 2003 semi-classified ‘US naval study for an ice-free arctic.’ that projected no need for ice-breakers by 2020… but that point was reached in 2008… greenland is now melting at 7x the rate of niagara falls… when it washes the gulf stream away…

  • Anonymous

    worse. population when i was born in 1953 was 2.2bln… now almost 7bln… that’s more than 3x increase! unprecedented in homo sapiens 200,000 years of 8% increase per century…

  • Anonymous

    why be so insulting, you fucking fool?

  • Anonymous

    tel aviv has 200 nukes and vanunu says they’re all 2-5megatons… 2MT is 40x what was dropped on civilian hiroshima. this means that if shimon netanyahu reads too much moses some night… take out the world’s largest 200 cities and say goodbye… and where do they think they can bomb in their neck of the desert? last i knew, something called winds and aquifers?

  • Anonymous

    who’s in charge of the US’s nukes or any of the others? 22,400 nukes and all it takes to destroy all life on the surface of the earth is 400 1 megaton bombs… and most bombs are 2+MT… russia and the US made bombs as much as 50MT… hit chicago and philly is green, too.

    then there are the millions of gallons of CBWs… lasers… sonics… HAARP, etc. one accident… say a man boards a jet in moscow as an unknowing carrier of CBW-altered ebola virus… lands at paris; chunnel to london for a conference then on to la guardia, ohare, LAX… moscow is gone by the time he gets his luggage…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Never underestimate the stupidity of Amerikan ‘intelligence’

  • Anonymous

    as daniel quinn showed clearly, much of the reason for our population bomb is the industrial revolution’s agribusiness… the more food you produce; the more people you will have. time to ‘starve the beast’?

  • Anonymous

    of note, though uncertain… the tsunami came days after australia charged the US navy and exxon-mobil with using excessive sonar off its shores and right on the fault line the earthquake hit.

    read a hypothesis that a nuke could blow the mcmurdo shelf off of antarctica and cause a super-tsunami as much as a mile high which wouldn’t go away til it had circled the globe more than once… and over 80% of mankind lives within 25 miles of a coast… well, that’d take care of the overpopulation, eh? get swimming…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    We need to sterilize turd worlders, pronto.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • Anonymous

    it took vatican 25 years to stop declaring that the earth is flat… and flat-earthers like palin say the earth is the age the bible says, 5779 in the jewish calendar… they’ll call global warming a hoax when they have to have million BTU air conditioners.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SRHE4DGXV6AIXDSTVU75ONUTM Wendy

    We want to minimize population growth, and the only viable way to do that is through more effective family planning,” said Casterline.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans want to un-fund Planned Parenthood. Priceless……

  • Anonymous

    when i read mao’s ‘little red book’ back in 1969, was expecting something rad, not trad… it was actually so conservative it was far to the right of me then or now. now mao was often a shithead, but there is no debate that the chinese people lived far better under mao than under the limey colonists… the great loss under teh CCCP has been the suppression of their grand and ancient spiritual traditions of buddhism, confucianism, taoism.

  • Anonymous

    partisanship breeds myopia and delusion. it is kind of like too much liquor… seeing double when there’s just one… in 2005, there were just 2 in the senate who weren’t millionaires, averaged $2.4mln… over 80% of house members, too. bush&co tried for years to open the arctic refuge to oil drills… took obamabush to get that done…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not to worry. Leave it to the US and Israel (and now Qadaffi), they’ll take care of that pesky little problem in no time. One Middle Eastern country at a time.

  • Anonymous

    Earth will be a very different place alright. Technology will also expand, which is necessary to accommodate so many people.

  • Anonymous

    well the more birth the less earth. but yep, on a planet which should have no more than 180mln cattle and now has a billion… cow farts are a major pollutant, causing expansion of holes in ozone and warming. their manure is one of the leading causes of the seas 130+ dead zones of which the navy discovered the first one in just 1980…

  • Anonymous

    well, that’s spelled conGress. i note that congress is a term for getting fuct.

  • Anonymous

    well-said… in 2007, US dept of education study showed that the avg high school grad had read just 68 pages of history. 9% couldn’t even point to america on a nameless map; 32% can’t spot england; 82% can’t point out afghanistan or iraq… half couldn’t identify darwin and same half disbelieve evolution… in 1950, average american’s working vocabulary was 4550 words… now that is 1500. koko the gorilla can sign 1800 words and form complex sentences with them…

  • Anonymous

    two solutions… in 1971, CIA & KGB accused each other of using a highly speific microwave on secret and ‘safe’ sites which were said to be sterilizing their agents instantaneously, plus some unspecified ‘bizarre mental disturbances.’ beam the planet in suh a way as to sterilize 90% at random and in 70 years population is back down to where it should be, some 1.4bln. still enjoy sex; just no more babies for most.

    or… even better… when i first heard about HUGO, the human genome experiment, in the late-1980s… i saw that it would not only be the recipe book of amino acids to produce a human body from scratch… but a recipe book to create any imaginable forms… including flying scorpion soldiers… but recently, a japanese man, ito, stated that his research indicates that the human genome could be used to produce minute humans! how long would it take to overpopulate if we were an inch tall? well, daniel quinn’s sound math showed humans could overpopulate the known universes prospective m-type planets in 600 years…

  • Anonymous

    locusts, lemmings and ostriches

  • Roberthe

    In 2004 the UN did a study of population trends to establish a set of bounds for world population in 2100. The low estimate was 5.4 billion, the middle afforded us 9 billion, while the high estimate came in at 14 billion. So far we appear to be tracking somewhere between the middle and high estimates, so perhaps if we’re fortunate we’ll come in at an even 10 billion, or roughly 40% more people than we have today. You are for more equitable distribution of resources as am I. However, I don’t see that it is a viable solution for the problem because the rich are indicating no interest whatsoever in redistributing their wealth. Instead, they are increasing their wealth by cannibalizing the Middle Class. Unless you can suggest an actionable method of redistribution, taking into account the realities of our current political debacle, I would suggest you look elsewhere for your solutions. And what’s wrong with condoms anyweay?

  • Anonymous

    sir, do your homework… it took 200,000 years to produce a billion people in 1900. in 1970, the UN estimated we would hit 6 billion in 2020… but i watched the popclock {http://opr.princeton.edu/popclock/} hit 6bln in october 1999. it is about to turn 7bln after just 11 years! and it will be 11bln in 2050, not 9bln as stated in the article. for decades some have insisted their ‘algorithm’ shows that population will slow… but that is utterly illogical… the more gonads, the more offspring.

    i could care less about people if mother nature’s being murdered by our madness. if there were a biological court; we’d now be quarantined or imprisoned.

  • Anonymous

    eeek… as i say above, it took homo sapiens 200,000 years to produce a billion people in 1900… now about to hit 7bln… this article says 9bln in 2050 but it will actually be 11bln. bucky fuller said ‘spaceship earth’ could maybe handle 10bln WITH GOOD MANAGEMENT. sen any good management round here lately?

    above i give two solutions to this problem; neither of which involves eugenics or class war to extermination.

    the more birth the less earth, pure and simple. want to devour it like a locust and live like a sardine in a can? visit dacca, bangladesh, and see how you like it.

  • Anonymous

    pentagon in 1997 announced they’d deved what they called ‘the gay bomb.’ a super-aphrodisiac ‘weapon’ with a viagra-like additive… scew til exhausted, sleep, start it up again… no babies from homosexuality to date… wouldn’t it be cool to hit washington, riyadh, tel aviv, vatican with that?

  • Anonymous

    I’m always surprised when people get all nuts that the world in the future is going to look different or that there is going to be bigger cities. All these nature lovers have to realize that man is moving to a era (which might takes a few hundred years) in which nature is not needed and will only be there for aesthetics. Someday the planet will probably be one giant city planet where you have little nature preserves where you and your children can go visit, and whats wrong with that like Jefferson said who am I to judge what future generations feel is right or wrong. And hopefully as man even further into the future expands into space their will be whole new worlds to explore.

    Let me ask a question, if in the far future man doesn’t need nature anymore say man can control the weather, can produce food from nothing, etc etc when that happens if it does why is nature important anymore?

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    Population doubling time in 1980 was 40 years. Care to research what the current doubling time is? I’ll give you a clue – there isn’t one – the population will never double again because growth rates are declining. Most of Europe, the United States and several other countries are only able to maintain their populations through immigration. Your numbers are just uninformed speculation. Maybe you should do some homework.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mejsmith Michael Smith

    Family planning? Not with the Republicans, you won’t.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    Nothing wrong with condoms per se, it’s just too simplistic a solution. The necessary preconditions for slowing population growth are the eradication of absolute poverty, and an improvement in the status of women (empowerment). High school education for girls is far more important than the availability of condoms in achieving a stable population. Micro-credit loans for poor women is another important strategy (there’s your actionable method of redistributing wealth). The population growth rate in Bangladesh has halved over the past thirty years largely because micro-finance in that country directly addresses the source of rapid population growth.

  • Anonymous

    No as food becomes harder to come by having a child survive for any length of time will also become more difficult, especially for poorer people. Infant mortality will increase dramatically. It isn’t a straight line graph.

  • Roberthe

    I confess to having serious questions with the lead sentence; or the life of me I don’t see how one can have a larger, more affluent population simultaneously with fewer resources. Where are we going to be generating wealth-from credit default swaps?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Let’s thank Bush and his initiative to turn kids all over the country as dumb as he is. The reports coming for the education sector are more and more dismal by the day (but not worse than from every other sector). Just today, I was reading an article on how they’re cutting the programs for the gifted kids using the budget canard as an excuse. Even the smartest of the bunch will be as dumb as the rest when it’s all said and done. As for Amerikans’ knowledge of geography, wars are their way of learning it. Any country that hasn’t been invaded or bombed by their country is as if it didn’t exist to them. It’s called Empire Geography.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Well, of course, because it’s true. When you’re headed for a brick wall and someone says you’re headed for a brick wall, and you don’t change course or speed, you’re STILL headed for that brick wall. Wake up.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Nope, it’s unrestraned population. Don’t kid yourself. Copulation=Population.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I got the solution for that too. Let the Amerikans have at ‘em. Give ‘em some canned beer, a remote control and a BBQ and that problem should be taken care of in one long weekend. Of course, then there is the problem of all the methane the fat hypnotized Amerikan cows are going to emit themselves into the atmosphere. Hmmm…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Easy solution. Stop fucking then. Man, do I have to solve all of the world problems today and all by myself? I wanted to shave to…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Another easy solution: eat the damn kid.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Gobal warming, sea level increases, climate shifts so more tropical diseases affect more temperate areas (population centers) and impacts on indigenous plant species survival due to adaptability limits, reductions in arable lands, lost water avaialbility, coastal cities inundated, that will reduce populations faster than “US and Israel” could ever do.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    I stand corrected, but the core thought still got through…….Yellow and red are too dry for me.
    Plus 10 Ds a pound is cheap enough.

  • Gnat K. Coal

    We’re so self-important. So self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven’t learned how to care for one another, we’re gonna save the fucking planet?

    I’m getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. I’m tired of fucking Earth Day, I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. They don’t care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

    Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a threat? That somehow we’re gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun?

    The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet…the planet…the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!

    We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

    You wanna know how the planet’s doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet’s doing. You wanna know if the planet’s all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

    The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?” Plastic…asshole.

    So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that’s begun. Don’t you think that’s already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let’s see… Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh…viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

    Well, that’s a poetic note. And it’s a start. And I can dream, can’t I? See I don’t worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we’re part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron…whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn’t punish, it doesn’t reward, it doesn’t judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.

  • Roberthe

    I find way more to agree with in your follow-up; thanks! Micro-economics is one of the most potent forces for good at work in the Third World today and is imminently actionable-part of me wonders when it will be seen as a viable alternative to corporate banking in the Developed World as well, especially amongst the newly disenfranchised once great Middle Class. Education and economic opportunity are major factors in the decline of the birth rate, though they by themselves are for naught without birth control: people being people continue to have sex, no matter how well-to-do they are… However, we still have to deal with diminishing resources coupled with the consequences of our profligate use of them over the last 150 years in the form of pollution, climate change and rising sea levels, which by 2100 threaten to significantly change the map of Bangladesh.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    As oil peaks and the land mass is used for biofuels, how is that going to effect starving poor? The ones with the biggest nukes will simply cut out the middleman. The repuggs here already want to shorten the life span of those living longer by forcing them to work longer and have deemed themselves the superior class that deserves saving.

  • je_proteste

    Gotta go back well before Bush – all the way to Reagan.

    Shouldn’t you be smooring a pullet?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KFOFZHLUNJCQATOHPSVHSFKP3I pw

    The world will be an unrecognizable orwellian police state by 2050, with human populations under total technological and pharmacratic control.

    Population are going DOWN worldwide. The elite eugenicist like to portray you as a problem, so when they come in to address this problem you will accept it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    We weren’t talking global warming, per se. We were discussing over-population. However, both Israel and the US could do quite a bit to alleviate the problem if they only stopped using all those damn weapons. Having said that, if they wanted to put us all out of our misery and bring about the Rapture, they both could do so in a matter of minutes, whether together or separately.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    Check out Grameen America for some positive developments – I can’t see this kind of thing scaling up in the USA in the way it has in Asia and Latin America, but declining living standards will give it a boost. Social business might be more relevant, and provide a means for addressing some pressing ecological problems.

    The wave of unrest currently sweeping across the Arab world is mainly due to the significant increases in the cost of food which are having a devastating effect on the working poor. A worldwide revolution against the banksters appears to be underway. The oligarchs have to choose between making significant concessions and civil war. So far the rich are giving ground – the alternative being too awful to contemplate. The same thing could happen in the post-industrial countries. Who knows what the future will bring (other than rising sea levels and really, really bad weather). A forced evolution to a more enlightened state is definitely a possibility.

    “To believe what has not occurred in history will not occur at all, is to argue disbelief in the dignity of man.”
    - Mahatma Gandhi

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Right you are. But, as with everything else, Boy George had a gift for bringing forth the obvious for all to see.

    Forget the pullet. We’re into oxen today. They emit too much methane into the atmosphere.

  • je_proteste

    How about the Alberta tar sands?

    Naomi Klein: “We take risks, others pay the price”:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/20/sk.taking.ted.talk/index.html

    You’ll have to go to about 2/3 in to see a short bit on it, but the entire presentation is worth viewing.

  • je_proteste

    Hey! My old man was in army intelligence, and… uh… well… no, never mind….

  • Anonymous

    “I think therefore I am.”

    I think that one day the planet will … just get rid of us.
    It won’t matter if we’ve been good or bad, tidy or messy, altruistic or selfish, faithful or atheistic.

    A few degrees of temp., a few interesting gases in the air, a few fascinating viruses saying “Hullo Humans” some serious earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, a nuclear war added in, fracking the ground to hellangone, etc. etc.

    We’ll go the way of the dinosaurs. It’s just a matter of time and time is on the side of the planet – not us.

  • je_proteste

    You’ve got oxen out your way?!

    How much sour cream does one need to smoor an ox?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    lack of education/contraception is a serious issue, as well as there being very few things unemployed people can do with their 16 hours a day free time.. it has to be cheap (free is best) and available.. that’s sex.. feels good, passes the time, don’t need any capital outlay for it.. etc etc.

    You don’t stem the population explosion by feeding and curing the poorest people without educating them and giving them something to do with their time. Their culture suggests a dozen kids so 3 live to care for the parents in their old age.. yet, now those dozen kids are all kept alive with modern technology while we fail to help them understand how their world has changed now that we’re feeding them and curing their diseases.

    And don’t forget religion.. that dictates having as many kids as possible while also suggesting birth control will get you sent to hell.

    So, while you’re technically right.. looking at the other factors means we could easily stem the explosion. We just have to be willing to do more than give them food and medicine. We have to give them educations and meaningful lives as well.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    People starving to death today aren’t doing so because of a (global) food shortage.. they are dying because they don’t have the money to buy food (and the odd dictator that won’t let aid be given to his people).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    What part do you find Libertarian? Examples, if you would.

  • Roberthe

    Population isn’t going down, the birth rate is. The world is gaining about 75 million more people every year. The current fertility rate is 2.5 children per female; in order for the population to start to decrease we need to get to 2.

    This isn’t about eugenics, which would focus on the desire to preserve and encourage certain traits while eliminating others (sounds even reasonable until one remembers Auschwitz or involuntary sterilization in the United States). This is a quantitative, not a qualitative topic.

    As far as your predictions of the Orwellian state and perhaps even pharmacratic control (nice touch!) you may lamentably be right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    “However, I don’t see that it is a viable solution for the problem because the rich are indicating no interest whatsoever in redistributing their wealth.”

    At some point they will become an obvious existential threat in everyone’s eyes. The Kings and Queens of old, abusing their peasants, became a non-issue in a glint once the general masses had had enough. … In our ‘cozy lives’, we find those solutions to leave a bad taste in our mouths.. but when you’re hungry and eating shit to live, it might taste like heaven (or at least freedom).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    I guess cannabis prohibition isn’t slowing you down, eh?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QIJ4LGZX6PZOJSD57QIC3NRAA Straw

    As least give the late, great George Carlin his attribution.

  • Anonymous

    The root cause is that corporations make deals with those governments where they’re legally allowed to rape and pillage without even hiring a sould from the host country for more than a few pennies a day – if that! Corporations are raping us from every conceivable angle and in every conceivable hole. It’s time for the leaders of those corporations to be tried by the People for their deeds and shot if the law permits oe killed if the People decide it should be that way. I want to see thousands of executives and chairmans and CEO’s found guilty, killed as punishment and dropped in mass graves.

  • Guest

    Income rising? Population rising? Finite Resources?

    How can all three be possible at the same time?

    Money is simply paper, many times it is not even that.

    We cannot create ‘wealth’ with resources we do not have.

    The greatest source of ‘wealth’ mankind has ever known has come from oil.

    Oil provides energy to do work, work that would otherwise have to be done through human and/or animal labor.

    When oil runs out we will lack the energy to sustain our infrastructure, not to mention our economy.

    The economy will go first, as monetarily cheap oil becomes a relic of the past.

    We still have a chance to use what monetarily cheap oil and coal we have left to build a massive infrastructure utilizing renewable energy such as wind and solar.

    Cheap oil makes the world go round. The sun and wind are pretty cheap and abundant. We just need to get building a few million wind turbines, and a couple hundred square miles of PV panels.

    Greed and a pervasive preschoolistic sense of sharing that persists among certain higher ups is what is holding everyone back.

  • ghostof911

    Thanks. The shaft to Planned Parenthood is the read meat for the Born Agains to keep them distracted as Congress and the President railroad them to the poor house.

  • realnewz

    Well the earth without nature is an earth without air.
    Unless you want to live in a dome then by all means forsake nature.

  • realnewz

    Of course they do,
    White birth rates are on the decline.

  • realnewz

    Exactly, people think gay rights are really for gay rights. Its not.
    Im not against treating gays equally but apart of the Gay rights agenda is for population control.

  • Anonymous

    “It takes around seven pounds (3.4 kilograms) of grain to produce a pound of meat”

    So? Who does that? Totally misleading.

    I’m sure some animals are raised 100% on grains (corn fed beef). But normally it is bales of alfalfa hay. Animals can graze on plants we can’t eat. What’s amazing to me is the use of grazing animals (cows, sheep, goats) to convert otherwise unusable land into usable protein in milk/cheese or meat.

    Think about the lands in Mongolia, for example.

    Of course what needs to stop is the burning of rain forests in Brazil to produce grazing land. Still, the cows in Argentina are not raised on grain, they graze on the vast lands. No one ships in water or grain.

    You absolutely can not sustain the world population on a vegetarian diet let alone a vegan diet.

  • http://twitter.com/JustThink4Once Not A Sheeple

    He’s Republican and he’s so rich
    Corporate interests he’s their bitch
    Screw the poor they just don’t count
    Their lazy anyway…

    Obama….I thought you were so rugged….

  • http://twitter.com/JustThink4Once Not A Sheeple

    It’s part of the long term plan.
    Growing the next batch of mince for the war machine.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5EDD6MBYPGGUIC4G2V4JI4KYLQ Flashlight

    “Not to worry. Leave it to the US and Israel (and now Qadaffi), they’ll take care of that pesky little problem in no time. One Middle Eastern country at a time. ”

    ummh yaz, – bollocks! – Quadaffii ist kaput!!!”

  • Anonymous

    Boy, you’re gonna need some freshwater if you’re gonna be smokin’ the reefer an eatin pb and saltine sandwiches! Cottonmouth’s a bitch!

  • Anonymous

    The Earth will be unrecognizable in 2050? Who won’t?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    WTF? Do you suffer from Turrets or are you just a defective computer program?

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    There’s more going on here than you imagine. The human brain has about 10 billion nerve cells. If you think peak population at close to the same number of people on the planet is simply a coincidence, well, I guess we have an entirely different understanding of the purpose of the universe. You probably think the whole thing is just some sort of accident.

    A human body from scratch! How do you think it would be possible to animate this creation – by harnessing lightening to some Hollywood mad scientist set?

  • Roberthe

    When have the vast majority of the rich not been an existential problem to everybody else? Though it isn’t the state of being rich, it’s the narcissism and the all-consuming greed that so often go hand-in-hand with being rich that are the actual problem. Revolution is, of course, a solution but it isn’t a particularly reliable one. Consider the revolutions that have failed, including (until recently) the vast majority of “peasant” revolts. Then consider the revolutions that were successful but were co-opted by people every bit as loathsome as the ones who were removed. What’s left is a very short list. Still, we’re experiencing a paradigmatic shift brought about in part by the Internet so perhaps we may be able to be more successful as a species this time around. See you on the barricades…

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    That should be “They’re lazy anyway” (but a worthy contribution nonetheless). Anybody else want to volunteer a verse?

  • Roberthe

    The farther in to the dialog the more rational you sound. I’ll check out Grameen-I’m hungry for any light at this point. As we totter on the abyss we have been given an opportunity to change how we interact with each other and the planet; I don’t think we can count on many more before the curtain starts coming down-best we seize it while it’s still here.

    As a thought: There are no post-industrialized countries, only corporations that have shipped their manufacturing bases overseas to increase profits and avoid environmental regulations; post-industrialization is just the old colonial system in another guise.

  • Anonymous

    The House of Representatives has just voted to ban all funding for Planned Parenthood.

  • Anonymous

    I continue to propose free vasectomies, and a world population of 350 million humans. Educated, fed, housed, with medical access.

  • Taleisin

    ‘Millions of gallons…..’ Yep, just in case!
    Mate, earlier I wrote to someone and told them, you probably have enough chemical weapons to take out the whole solar system. I think you’ve proved my point. :)

  • Taleisin

    The blackfella here has a prophesy about the last wave. So you are touching a raw nerve there.

  • Anonymous

    Global atmospheric warming is like a slow-motion nuclear war spanning the world. And just like a global nuclear war, global atmospheric warming will take care of any population growth projections between now and 2050, and will lead to a population reversal, as the “carrying capacity” of the land degrades as CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere continue to increase, raising atmospheric temperatures even more than that which has already occurred. And any projections about 2050 are moot if heightened CO2 concentrations in the earth’s atmosphere triggers an increase of methane emissions in the atmosphere, with methane being 20 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

    Scientists worldwide are keeping an eye on methane levels, even as they continue to register the rise in CO2 concentrations. Shifts in global climate and weather patterns, though, are already evident, with the ongoing melting of the earth’s ice indicating just how far along these shifts are. Record rainfalls and snowfalls due to increased water vapor in the atmosphere due to so much ice melting and the oceans getting warmer. Droughts in China and fires in Russia affecting their wheat crops leading to a rise in demand for wheat, driving up world wheat prices, and leading to outbreaks of civil unrest in societies (Egypt, for example) as basic food prices shoot upward. And we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

  • Taleisin

    Thanks for that.
    Australia gets enough sunlight each day to power the world for 6 months.
    The Sahara desert could gather solar power for Europe. That is not the business we are in.
    Instead of sending a few men to Mars, how about get NASA to develop clean energy.
    If there is a will, there is a way. The problem is, there isn’t a will.

  • Jaimie11

    I’ve been saying that about the Sahara for nearly 30 years. We could have begun building new homes powered by alternative energy for the last 20 or 30 years if the big boys were serious – heh – and now they want to tax us for exhaling CO2 and eating steak while they continue sucking profits out of dirty energy.

  • Taleisin

    Australia’s wealth rides in the coal trains going to the port.
    We have been world leaders in Solar Technology for years but the government has not been interested. The money our universities have invested is making profits for German companies.
    Trouble is, solar is free. How do you tax it?

    My TV tells me if I turn things off at the wall, I am saving the planet. Yet my local supermarket is lit like an operating theater and all the refrigerators there are pouring cold air onto the floor. What a bunch of suckers we are.

  • Jaimie11

    Can’t tax it, right – and here they install these ‘smart’ meters – now no serviceman comes to read the meter – it’s all done remotely. Freaky, they can turn your power on and off remotely – with solar they don’t get to control you that way.

    It’s more, much more than taxing you and profits, it’s control, having power over your measly little life. Autonomous human beings – huh – they don’t want that. They want pliant slaves who will obey.

  • Taleisin

    A recent study has shown that when Australian social workers treat homeless people like shit, and make things more difficult, it increases their mental illness. New findings show that securing them a place to live can actually remove the mental illness. The report says, to everyone’s surprise, the old government policy was doing more harm than good.
    When you become a pliant slave, they whip you for not thinking for yourself. It is one group of mad people creating madness in another group. The formula hasn’t changed since the first tyrant.

  • Taleisin

    Yep. That’s the shit.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BJK46ECDEOAIG3CUX7XB7IT5MM D.

    Only now it is becoming more obvious. Population growth is sorta like compound interest. At the beginning there isn’t much increase but as time goes by things really begin to change. To make things even worse, corporations like at the planet as something exploit and care nothing about the lasting damage they impose. Corporations (not all, but most) are extremely short sighted and cares only about quick and dirty profits. The movie “Avatar” shows their mentality quite well.

  • Anonymous

    sir, if you go to the link i gave for the princeton popclock, you will see
    and can read via that site that there is no slowing whatever. producing a
    billion people in 11 years is totally unprecedented and it is not in anyway
    abating despite such as russia, spain, japan’s dropped birth rates. look at
    the figures for india, vietnam, indonesia, bangladesh, brazil.

    would make wager that the next billion will take 9-10 years instead.

  • Anonymous

    such overkill… why make more? they developed, some said ‘discovered, this
    stuff called VX in the late 1960s which was said to be such that a teaspoon
    released would take out all life down to amoeba on sea bottoms…

    the cern hadron supercollider… 17x more energy than ever produced by man
    on earth; 7x the heat of the core of the sun contained in a bottle? what?
    making big bangs, black holes, worm holes and, they hope, ‘interdimensional
    doorways. be wary of those doorways…

  • Anonymous

    why do some persons immediately become offensive and insulting? bad manners.

    no, your base presumption is incorrect and how you extrapolated that from
    what i wrote is curiousity. not ‘just an accident.’ as einstein demolished,
    even ridiculed, old materialist physics models with his equations, a ‘proime
    mover,’ aka ‘god,’ was necessary to spawn creation and he termed
    ‘particularities’ for us souls, necessary for there to be any persistence
    and outward, if illusory, points of view which give space.

    but when i see the massive holocaust and armageddon occurring as we speak…
    best get those 10 billion neurons perpetrating more than just synapse
    electricity bcz this planet is dying under the burden of humanity very
    rapidly. in my 57 years, we have yet to solve one single, solitary major
    problem… rather we’ve drastically increased the number of our
    grotesqueries.

    take bee-bat-butterfly extinctions… just one of over 20 global
    environmental disasters converging… again, einstein, “4 years of no bees
    on the earth and there will be no mankind, either.”

    playing russian roulette with mother… bad seed indeed. this is what
    happens when human potential is suppressed by evil religions, governments,
    commerce for millennia. this is what happens when an industrial revolution
    is utterly let run amok unchecked without any consideration as to
    consequences. sane beings would never have allowed ONE atom bomb… now
    22,400…

    even technocrat elitist ray kurzweil sees devastation an the need for
    virtual and/or space escapes for the ‘chosen.’

    greenland stable in 1995; now melting at 7x rateof niagara fals… this
    years freeze&snow here due to the dissolution of the ‘arctic fence’ as
    described in the 2003 semi-classified ‘US naval study for an ice-free
    arctic.’ that doc stated the north pole passable without icebreakers by
    2020… happened in 2008… and this january the temps at the pole were 12
    degrees higher than ever on record… the gulf stream is about to be washed
    away…

    760 mtn gorillas left… similarly tigers, rhinos. just years of pacific
    dolphins left and john lilly’s work showed dolphins at 9.3 on the scale
    where man is 9.0… but most people are ignorant or in apathy… so what if
    they die as long as i have gasoline for my SUV…

    do you see that it really is possible to have dialoge sans venom?

  • Anonymous

    sir, again, are you really unaware that according to MIT, stanford and
    others, in the past two years at least a half-dozen different labs have
    produced living organisms from scratch as a result of he human genome? just
    google ‘synthetic organisms.’ me, since 1993, get daily updates on
    emergingtech from MIT, an excellent way to stay informed ahead of the curve.

    as for whether any non-material particularities, i.e. ‘consciousness’
    inhabit such forms; i’m unable to say with certainty.

  • Anonymous

    well, actually… not. a study showed that almost 90% of human sexual
    activity is in the mind; and also, almost 90% of actual physical sexual
    activity is masturbation. that leaves just 1-2% for real physical sexual
    activity with another person. of that, maybe 1/10 is gay…

    however, as can be seen from the histories of teh ancient world or the
    native world as discovered by the explorers… the 10% thing wasn’t the case
    therein; was far more homosex. indeed, in the pre-xtian greo-roman world, it
    was those who refused gay sex who were considered sissies…

    but burgess (‘clockwork orange’), wrote a book back then called ‘the wanting
    seed’ about an england wherein gay sex was promoted, even mandated, as a
    population-reducer…

  • Anonymous

    NASA looked into how much gas a man expels daily as it was of concern for
    those early tiny crafts and men stuck in space suits… roughly 1.5 litres
    per diem. but there’s also the matter of feces for 7bln shitters…

  • Anonymous

    yep… right again. something relevant… back about 1997, i read that this
    french group had developed an electronic IQ test which bypassed language,
    symbols, culture,class… should clearly be in use; don’t know why it isn’t
    except maybe the class war likes it as is. but very interesting is that it
    could get the IQ of a baby of 1 year. while the evil fraud of spychiatry had
    long stated that IQ is fixed at birth… wrong as usual… far from it. even
    shocked me… was found that the average baby tested had an IQ of 138… but
    testing of 12 year olds showed the average drops to 103!!! thanks for a few
    strong-willed individuals and a handful of potential-nurturing parents and
    teachers or we’d all be droolers…

    and also fascinating… wish they’d reported more of these, all mammals
    could be tested by this technology. only ones given were cats (in the IQ
    70-range), certain dogs (jack russel fox terriers as high as 82), and pigs
    up to IQ 85. indeed, a farmer in indiana has taught his pet pigs to play
    each other videogames! now considering that the average american policeman’s
    IQ is 96 and soldiers 98…

  • Wyrdless

    Hi, I read through a bunch of your posts, you have a lot of references, great material and I’m following you so I can get more info, since you have researched posts.

    the source of the 9 billion number I heard was the economist. I am at work, so I can’t get an exact date on that. The gist is that population growth goes to 2 kids per 2 parents when average income is about $5000 a year, because that is when a person can person can afford a basic modern existence like an apartment, birth control, food, and cell phone. The most importantly their children need focus and education and are not the source of their retirement. Right now, population rates are below 2 in southern India, for that reason and becasue of sterilization-for-money programs.

    The other elephant in the room is AIDS. There will be 1 billion people with AIDS by 2050 at the current rate. Ukraine and Russia just reached the 1% critical mass and India is getting very close, with a 0.3% rate.

  • Taleisin

    VX sounds like a little charmer.

    When they were working on the manhattan project, the scientists feared splitting one atom might start a chain reaction and split every atom in the planet. But they took the risk anyway. They didn’t ask me if they could take that risk. I wasn’t around then, but that is not the point. And we are leaving untold generations with radioactive waste in their environment.

    Little boys with big toys. Like generals, they want to leave their names in the pages of history as great men.
    Maybe I am being like the farmers who thought supersonic aircraft would cause deformities in cattle, but I am unhappy with these scientist risking our little planet with their little games.

  • Anonymous

    yes, even oppenheimer wondered if the chain reaction would end anywhere…
    hence his clearance cut and he went buddhist-vedic. wise man. einstein
    demolished materialism but like burroughs wrote, “last thing the 20th
    century needed was a sweet old jew with an atom bomb in his attache.’ took
    moses, then john the baptist. mohammed coles along later, as usual, flames
    out of ears and foam from the black book mouth. oy!

  • ghostof911

    I don’t think Australia needs NASA’s permission to establish energy independence from the oil producers. It would seem that establishing a major solar energy project in Australia would be a no brainer. What would be the hold up?

  • Taleisin

    We have high quality coking coal to sell cheaply and lots of it. And the iron ore. We can’t get it out of the ground fast enough to sell overseas, especially China. Our mining sector got rid of a Prime Minister because he wanted to tax their massive profits instead of carbon taxing the people.

    As long as the US lags behind the rest of the world in renewable energy, we will be supporting you and lagging along with you. It’s not about commonsense, it’s about the money.

  • Taleisin

    I lost you towards the end, but the emotional impact is clear.
    Apparently, recent studies show that praying to a Hindu God of War, when you just might be annihilating all existence is quite common. ;)

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard that ‘military intelligence’ is the ultimate oxymoron. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Will, or no will, we can be sure that the oil giants put a halt to any alternative efforts.

  • Anonymous

    In their perfect world there would be about 10 billion people competing for jobs.

  • Taleisin

    What air will their grandchildren breathe, I wonder?
    Those mad buggers are ruling the world. They should be in the loony bin having their greed examined.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder the same, Taleisin. In the long run the rich and powerful must somehow survive in this world that they’ve polluted. Too many of them are Christian extremists who think their god will somehow pull them from the wreckage.

  • Taleisin

    Hi Collielady. ( I am a labrador man.)
    Australia has been blessed with American Christian fundamentalism. :P

    The bible is their legal book, history book and now science book. I heard one nutter brag on TV, that according to revelations, we won’t need the sun in the sky one day. god will be that light. So I guess we will have to blow the sun too, up if we want Jesus to return. The oceans will cease to exist. And you worry about a little air quality! If Climate Change was real, it would be in the bible.

    You and I are in a lot of trouble.

  • Anonymous

    Quite right, labrador man, we are in a lot of trouble. Nothing frightens me more than religion. Are the Christian fundamentalists over there trying to convert everybody? Sorry they landed on your shores, but we had to get rid of them some way. ;-D

    Labs are great, the most popular breed here, in the U.S. I also have a golden retriever, along with the collie. I would imagine you see quite a few Australian shepherds there. They’re becoming popular pets here.

  • ghostof911

    It’s disappointing that Australia doesn’t show more independence from the US. It won’t be long before Australians regret that dependence.

  • Taleisin

    Only 5% of our population are church going christians, so they are a minority. We do not have the same culture for religion as you do. Beliefs are very personal and respected over here. The American-style Clappy Xians like to ‘challenge’ young people in the street here, but they are harmless.

    The American old testament Christians on TV, only give lip service to Jesus. They think they are the new Jews but with a child’s understanding of theology. Very dangerous, narcissistic, judgmental, misguided people. I personally believe the god of Moses is not the god of Jesus. Which is why your Xians are not very Christian. I sincerely hope the first aliens to publicly land on earth are evangelists come to spread the word about their god. That will teach those pesky Christians.

    A friend has a golden retriever, same personality as a lab. Won’t stop playing or slobbering over me,full of love. We don’t have Australian Shepherds. I had to look that up, they are an American dog. We have Kelpies and Aus. cattle dogs. They are working dogs with a little bit of dingo in them.

  • Anonymous

    I guess it’s about time for a new global Plague like the ever popular Black Death to thin out the herd, nature always takes care of excess.

  • Anonymous

    If only 5% of your population are churchgoers, then I want to live there.

    You’re correct that Christians only pay lip service to Jesus. My father
    always said that if Jesus were to return to earth, they’d crucify him all
    over again. Christians wouldn’t even recognize him because they’ve created
    him in their image, which isn’t very Christian.

    I’m a non-believer, and never used to care what others believe, until they
    started imposing their dogmas on everyone else. They’ve made it my business
    because they want to legislate their beliefs.

    How interesting that the Australian shepherd isn’t even an Australian
    breed. I assumed they were, as everyone here does. After your reply I read
    more about them on Wikipedia and learned that they actually come from our
    own southwest. We Americans make fools of ourselves, time after time.
    What a hoot!

    Thanks for your thoughtful and informative reply, labrador man. Have a tail
    waggin’ good day!

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