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Nebraska may permit ‘justifiable homicide’ in defense of the unborn

By Sahil Kapur
Thursday, February 24, 2011 13:32 EDT
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Legislation introduced in Nebraska includes a “justifiable homicide” clause that could be used in defense of a fetus, potentially offering legal cover for the killing of abortion providers.

The bill, LB 232, was put forth by Nebraska state Sen. Mark Christensen, who fiercely opposes abortion even in cases of rape, as Mother Jones first reported. It would allow any third party the chance to use self-defense as a legal justification for killing someone believed to be threatening the life of a fetus.

Although it may not have been Christensen’s intent, critics fear that the language it could make way for legalized killings of abortion doctors, who are already frequent targets of death threats from anti-abortion activists.

“I think it opens the door to something unintended,” said state Sen. Steve Lathrop (D), according to Mother Jones.

“I don’t think you came in here intending to make those who provide abortions a target of the use of force,” he was quoted as telling Christensen, “but I think it may unintentionally do that or at least provide somebody with an argument that they were justified in that.”

“It is very disturbing that lawmakers who target abortion providers are again making national headlines,” said Nancy Keenan, president of the pro-abortion-rights group NARAL. “Nebraska lawmakers have the moral obligation to protect reproductive-health care professionals who are providing legal medical services to women. We call upon the bill’s sponsor to insert language that explicitly protects abortion providers from violence.”

Republicans in Iowa have introduced a similar measure, the Iowa Independent reports.

These episode are the latest in a series of controversial anti-abortion legislation Republicans have pushed in several states and on a national level. A similar but somewhat narrower measure was introduced in South Dakota recently, only to be stripped after controversy erupted.

House Republicans have also come under fire in recent weeks for proposing national legislation that would redefine rape as it relates to abortion coverage (the language was later amended), as well as a bill that could allow hospitals to refuse abortions to a woman even if her life was in danger.

The House last week approved a measure that would strip government-sponsored family planning funds from Planned Parenthood, which provides a variety of health care services, including abortion.

Correction: A prior version of this story attributed the bill to Nevada.

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    Disgusting and appalling. What the hell is wrong with these mid-westerners? They wonder why those of us on the coasts look down on them. It is because of bullshit like this.

  • 7rob7

    “”I don’t think you came in here intending to make those who provide abortions a target of the use of force,” he was quoted as telling Christensen…”

    Horsehooey. That’s EXACTLY what Christensen intended.

  • Anonymous

    is it Nevada or Nebraska???

  • http://twitter.com/bozonedave Dave Richardson

    Hey Mr. editor — is it Nevada or Nebraska? (snaps fingers) Wake up over there, please!

  • 7rob7
  • 7rob7
  • Anonymous

    Republicans, across the nation, are f*cking nutcases. Abortion was settled thirty eight years ago and these f*cking troglodytes can’t let it go. Move on assholes, drop the rock.

  • Anonymous

    It is usually men who are bitching about abortion. They should just shoot off their wanker since they shouldn’t have that cunt.

  • Anonymous

    Go get a SSN for the fetus and try to claim it on your 1040 as a deduction. And why do you “save” the fetus and then abort them when they grow up a little by denying them health care? It’s a fucking wedge issue, just like pretending that busting Unions is about budgets, when it’s about knocking the supply lines out from under the Democratic Party.

  • Anonymous

    Are you seriously justifying your condescending judgment of people in the Midwest and labeling anyone who doesn’t live on the east or west coast? You’re tagging tens of millions of people and saying they are all the same and have the same views. Based on your comment you don’t seem very liberal or open-minded at all.

  • Anonymous

    Why not just sterilize all Republicans?

  • Anonymous

    These GOP legislators are playing to the most extreme fringes of their Party. All the anti-abortion Bills, the anti-union Bills, opposing all efforts to create jobs, opposing all regulation, supporting only tax cuts for the corporations and wealthy Americans will hand things back to the DEMs in 2012. They are far and wide overplaying their extreme aggenda and Democrats and Independents and even moderate Republicans will toss them out.

  • Anonymous

    Same thing! Lets get equal here.

  • Anonymous

    Religion often brings out goodness and grace in people. On the other hand, fundamentalist religion is about authoritarian power, judgement and control. When men feel inadequate, they bolster their lack of self worth by extacting power over others. Intellect, ability to deal with complexity and compassion for others comes from people that are secure in themselves. These lawmakes have none of those attributes.

  • Anonymous

    Trying to force their way between a woman and her doctor should be a reason for justifiable homicide. Wasting time effort and money to grand stand on a pointless BS pandering to the lowest of their base….that’s the new GOP.

  • Anonymous

    This is no inadvertent side effect. Ever since they saw Fox and O’Reilly got away scot free with egging on someone to murder Dr. Tiller in Kansas, the extreme wing of the Republican Party has been looking to satisfy their blood thirst in some way. There are only so many Iraqis or Taliban left out there, and they live in their own countries and shoot back. Republicans don’t like to take on people who shoot back. They prefer to have someone else do it for them, whether the target is Saddam Hussein, Dr. Tiller, or the next nameless unarmed worker in some family planning clinic in the midwest.

  • Anonymous

    I think Republicans and their hate-filled policies are threats to unborn children everywhere.

    Ergo….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IU3WYEYZGSU6EUKR35RNYHUX3E eileen schaper

    What about charging the MOTHER will contracting to kill? THAT is punishable up to life in Prison or in some states, the Death Penalty.

    They should also include anyone that accompanies the Mother to the clinic as well. And don’t forget the Sperm donor, if he’s aware of the “crime” he’s just as guilty if he didn’t take steps to stop it, maybe he even gave her the money to have the “murder” committed.

    These Fascpublicans have gone off the deep end with this. Maybe THEY should be eliminated once and for all in the VOTING BOOTH. Enough is enough. They want a SMALLER government, one who gets out of the way of our personal life? Yeah, unless that “personal life” is a Woman’s Uterus then they’re all up in it.

    I do believe that some men, such as Christiansen spend 9 months trying to get out of the Womb and the rest of his life trying to get back in!

  • Jaimie11

    You’ve been worked into a hateful frenzy – you like being manipulated this way – here read what the Senator
    actually intends -

    “Christensen cited concerns that were raised about a third party being able to use his bill as a defense against an excessive force charge or using it to justify an assault on an abortion provider. He further explained the need for the bill, saying that the existing self-defense laws would not protect the unborn child from a deadly blow, that otherwise was not lethal to the mother.”

    http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/1705965.html

  • Anonymous

    Hey Markie I want to tell you want I told your incredibly stupid counterpart from georgia, If you want to take it to that level than we must have peepee police!! Every time a man ejaculates he is destroying a potential fetus. That leads us to MURDER CHARGES!!!! So every time you sneak that victoria secret’s magazine into the bathroom and spew those precious potential fetuses all over the bathroom wall you will be guilty of MURDER!!!!!! Any time you ejaculate whether it be with your blow up doll or that cute stud you just met in the airport bathroom it is murder! You want to control female functions then men’s functions will be under the microscope too! You are a stupid jackass! Markie let me make it simple with small words so you can understand…..NO UTERUS…NO OPINION! You narrow minded, self-serving, insipid, incredibly stupid ass!!!! This is a woman’s issue so get your freakin nose out of our business!!

  • Anonymous

    Last year, Governor Heineman(Nebraska) took away prenatal care from over 1,500 women and babies in the name of “immigration.” This misguided policy has already resulted in at least 3 infant deaths and higher costs of uncompensated care for small and large towns.

    The above is the kind of guy Nebraska elects. He is a Republicans. Note: The prenatal care mentioned above has been recently restored.

  • Anonymous

    That is the best suggestion I have heard in a long time. It certainly would end eventually our problems of having severely mentally and morally challenged republicans! With all the problems in our country today would one expect them to be focused on real problems?!!!

  • Anonymous

    Oh sweetie you are a little off base. It’s the radical religious right not the midwest.

  • Anonymous

    Rawstory had this story a while back. The law could be used in defense of killing Republican lawmakers because they always want to cut prenatal care which could be detrimental to an unborn.

  • Anonymous

    we are the holy trinity!

    “ME, Myself and I”

  • Anonymous

    So much for limited government.

  • Roberthe

    Any sexual act where reproduction is not the sole purpose is a felony punishable by imprisonment of not less than one year or more than five years. Fellatio, cunnilingus, masturbation, and having sex when the wife is not ovulating are herewith prohibited, as is any homosexual act. Infertile men and women are not eligible to marry and are no longer allowed to be in the same room without a government-approved chaperone. Thank you for your cooperation.

    The Management

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Yes I am. I’m the new breed of militant, elitist, ass-kicking liberal, (we meet every 3rd Thursday) and we’re through fuckin’ around with these filthy conservatives. You are absolutely correct in your assertion that there are good people in the Midwest, and it is really unfortunate that they have to be painted with the same brush. But I have NO respect for any state that elects enough legislators to put forth a bill legalizing the ASSASSINATION of people providing a perfectly legal service.

    And never underestimate the power of belittlement, shame, mockery, condescension and ridicule to influence politics. King Bush II came to be seen by the public at large as a clown in the last years of his regime due in no small part to these tactics. (Thanks to The Daily Show, MSNBC, Air America, etc, etc.) Then the Democrats swept in in ’06 & ’08.

    But don’t worry. I still hold out hope for Nebraska. They need only look towards Wisconsin. When I see 70,000 Nebraskans descend on the state house screaming, “kill the bill,” then we will know that Nebraska is ready to retake its place among the civilized states.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s more about social bent than geography. I am as liberal as they come and I live in Cincinnati, home to ultra conservative douche, John Boehner. You are overlooking the millions of dollars spent misleading people to get them to think up is down and black is white.

    I’d love to be invited to one of your 3rd Thursday meetings :-) But I must say I do prefer to get things done in a less violent approach.

    Of course, no one has to be painted with the same brush, it is simply your choice to do so.

  • Anonymous

    This topic always brings the best out in people. I live in Nebraska they don’t some of us backward ass country fucks for nothin. Nebraska state Sen. Mark Christensen is retarded.

  • Anonymous

    This would be fun because if one witnessed a person about to shoot an abortion Dr., one could shoot them and claim one didn’t know the Dr. was an abortion provider..

  • Anonymous

    *they don’t CALL some of us backward ass country fucks for nothin.

  • Jaimie11

    Kiss a peaceful (like Egypt) new American revolution goodbye then – you will bring tyranny down on all of us full bore with your damn militancy.

    You are being played on the left/right divide. If you are a real liberal, then you would respect everyone’s rights, even the rights of those people whose ideas you hate. Just think, if you did not allow yourself to be goaded by the politicians into thinking you have the right to force your opinions onto others, they would not be goaded into fighting back in outrageous ways similar to your outrageous ways.

    Liberal means living and letting live. Stop being dragged into battle by politicians who work for the oligarchs who make up less than 2% of the population and would like to see that ALL of the American people of ALL political philosophies lose ALL of their rights, except for themselves, of course, who have superior rights.

  • Anonymous

    Amen.

  • Jakrabt

    Any homosexual act? Well ladies, looks like you will have to get your perms done and flowers arranged on the ‘downlow’ to prevent going to jail.

  • Anonymous

    Radical republicans

  • Anonymous

    it was a rhetorical question really, my point is really that in the rush to put the news out, care still needs to be taken to proofread. it’s hard to cite articles from a news site that contains errors such as this, or even grammatical errors.

  • David R Velasquez

    Teabagger politicians have crossed the line in too many ways.
    The next election cycle is going to show big time public disgust with their assinine Dark Age antics.

  • Eyeball_Kid

    The Nebraska cowards ought to be defining “justifiable homicide” as the killing of pregnant women who make appointments to Planned Parenthood, if they aren’t interested in parsing their own moral commitments. The people who are ALSO threatening the “life of the fetus” are the very women who are pregnant and seeking an alternative to pregnancy and/or childbirth, for WHATEVER REASON that they use.

    So, why don’t the Nebraska and South Dakota legislators go after the WOMEN? Why do they frame pregnant women as innocents?

    Do you want to take a guess?

    Damn it, if they want to kill doctors and call it justifiable, why don’t they express a desire to kill pregnant women in defense of fetuses? Better yet, why don’t they just create the US version of Sharia Law and call it “Honor Killing”?

    The moral depth of the Right to Life bigots is as thick as a bubble. Ideology stops at the gate of political backlash. Doctors are acceptable fodder. Kill ‘em and sing Hallajulah. Pregnant women, however, are mysteriously shielded from “punishment.” Why is that, bigots?

  • Jakrabt

    Correct. According to Gallup, the profile of an average ‘Pro-Lifer’ is white, male, college grad, over 50 and Republican. This seems to prove my belief that education does not bring intelligence.

    I often wonder what it’s like to be a woman and have your reproductive rights batted around like a ping-pong ball. Being a gay guy I kinda know how it feels to have other rights batted around by others.

  • Anonymous

    This is non-sense. Roe vs. Wade settled abortion questions thirty eight years ago except for troglodytes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    Ok then…it works both ways.
    Every time Nebraska state Sen. Mark Christensen jerks off, he’s committing an act that makes it ok for someone to kill him (justifiable homicide) because a bunch of his sperm didn’t get to cause a baby to be born.

  • Anonymous

    There should be NO respect for those who believe killing to stop abortion is perfectly acceptable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    Don’t forget to imprison all condom companys’ board members also.

  • Anonymous

    Wait a minute… You’re from Boehner-land? And yet you seem to have a perfectly normal, natural skin tone instead of “atomic orange!” I don’t think Sir John of Orange has been honest with us about his tanning regimen!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6SRHE4DGXV6AIXDSTVU75ONUTM Wendy

    This must be more of the “sanctity of life” that the anti-choicers tout so loudly and proudly….

  • Jaimie11

    It wasn’t settled back then – that was when it was made into a wedge issue. Now, left and right align themselves dutifully in opposition just as they are supposed to – the oligarchs love it when you all obey them so well, so blindly.

  • Anonymous

    Ahhhh the theocratic American Taliban working to control our bodies.

  • Jaimie11

    There is no right to kill under the constitution – there are accepted defenses and circumstances – but no right to kill. And if you think that I am arguing for respect of people who like to kill – you are far worse than cranky, you are downright insane.

  • Anonymous

    It’s too hard to cram them all in a dishwasher.

  • Jaimie11

    Try reading the article I linked to. You are not being rational – you must like the frenzy of the political manipulations you enjoy – maybe it’s the only time you get to FEEL anything, like an addict.

  • Anonymous

    All this talk about abortions as we see Law Makers like Mark Foley molest kids and Larry Craig look for sex in the men’s room. We hear how Law Makers are using the RNC funds to pay child support payments to members/Law Makers lady friends. Rep. Chris Lee online request for a date. Speaker Boehner entertaining several young woman in West Hollywood spending taxpayers money. Few realize this rush to repeal woman’s rights is because of the conduct of the Law Makers having affairs and the Priest molesting kids and woman. By threatening woman with charges it will help silence the woman/children/boys who are raped or those who seek an abortion. The issue these men aren’t looking at is the forever pain a woman has when she loses a baby, it never goes away but these law makers don’t care because their protecting themselves and their action. The smoke screen used can really be seen but even female law makers can be made a price of payment they will accept to make his crime law.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Georgia first, now Nebraska. The madness is spreading. The Christian Taliban is in charge.

  • Anonymous

    It is a wedge issue that will never go away. All they have are these wedge issues. After all they can’t run on: we want the rich to get richer, screw the middle class and the poor. The religious conservative idea is that any legal recognition of the fetus as a person will allow a legal case overturning row vs. wade to reach the supreme court. This is the real reason for these laws. In addition many in the religious right view the legality of birth control as an entree for abortion. When you are this flakey there is little to find common ground on and I don’t have any desire to, nor do most sensible, practical people. You act as if there is some common ground to share.

  • Roberthe

    All sex is for procreation only so condoms are no longer necessary to prevent pregnancy. Likewise, in our strictly monogamous society having any sexually transmitted disease is proof of infidelity (and will be dealt with pursuant to the appropriate sections of the criminal and ecclesiastical codes); therefore condoms are no longer necessary to prevent transmission of sexually transmitted diseases. Possession of condoms is a misdemeanor; possession of more than six is considered sufficient proof of intent to sell and is a felony. Thank you for your interest, Citizen. Remember, sex without procreation creates indignation! Your Junior Sex Police kit is being sent parcel post.

    The Management

  • Roberthe

    One law for them, a different law for us. Just remember: It’s good to be powerful!

  • Anonymous

    **Well, Jakrabt, it’s a bitch, as you’ve surmised. I don’t believe that the majority of them are college educated however. They seem like some of the dumbest motherfuckers around, so….

  • http://www.dynastymanager.com/teampage2.php?u=Bovandy&sport=ncaa_fb Bo Vandy

    It should be noted that this bill changes NOTHING that isn’t already in existing Nebraska law. The wording of the bill, includes language that would not allow someone to kill an abortion doctor as long as they were engaging in a lawful (read non-late term) abortion.

    If the doctor was engaging in a late term abortion, there is ALREADY language in Nebraska statute that would allow someone to kill the doctor, should they attempt to use a “defense of others” affirmative defense as you could claim that the doctor was causing harm to the MOTHER.

    Basically, the intent of Sen. Christensen was to get exactly the national attention the bill is getting, without really DOING anything. It is a redundant and needless bill.

  • Anonymous

    My comment was for how the bill stands. That has nothing to do with revisions or amendments. He can talk about revising all he wants but until he does, my comment still stands as truth. When he actually gets around to changing something in the law then let me know and I’ll comment then on it.

    It is what it is… all the posturing or thinking about what it could be doesn’t change what it says NOW. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but no one is entitled to their own facts.

  • Anonymous

    What kind of voter votes these guys in? Do they have the brains that god gave them, or have they all had lobotomies?

  • Ma’at

    Time to go to war against these people and defend our women. I’ll shoot back.

  • Anonymous

    Is the use of “live ammunition” prescribed to control these taliban Neb Repug Thugs? They seem to think it’s ok against peaceful protesters in Wis.

  • Anonymous

    Not sure they’ve thought this through. This seems to be some kind of Bush Doctrine on behalf of a fetus. But if this principal can be applied to a fetus, it could certainly also be used to justify murder to protect the life of a doctor that performs abortions. If somebody was putting doctors that perform abortions under threat by proposing a law that could get them killed, by this principal it would be “justifiable homicide” to murder them.

  • Kazr

    Priceless! Now I’ve got to clean my keyboard again. When will learn to stop drinking coffee while I read your comments?

  • http://www.dynastymanager.com/teampage2.php?u=Bovandy&sport=ncaa_fb Bo Vandy

    Nebraska legislators called for “live ammunition”?

    REALLY?

  • Anonymous

    You got to be kidding me….does that mean the next time I see a conservative red-stater jerk, I can legally kill him, because I am pretty sure it was him/her I saw helping that there Abortion Doctor, yesterday…..It wasn’t..? (to late…!) …..my bad…!.. Open season on people we disagree with….what a deal…!

  • Jaimie11

    Bills go through evolutions before they are signed into law – you ought to know that.

    Now, for my point: The manipulations of the people on both sides of the issue to high emotion by the political and oligarchical interests, who stand to gain from your diverted attention being on this issue, is deliberate. As long as you allow yourselves to be so manipulated you are not men and woman acting autonomously, you are pawns enslaved to your masters, being moved by unseen hands and thinking you are in control.

    Your little bit of truth is nothing compared to the truth of how your blindness to your own slavery makes you dependent on the oligarchs for even what you think. The appalling truth is that you are kept men and women, kept until your usefulness is worn out. All of you continue to allow yourselves to yanked here and then yanked there. Your awareness of reality is buried in mud and yet you cling to your stupidity, it’s all you’ve got left by now, and you will deserve well what you are about to get, goose stepping bully clones marching you all off to hell .

  • Jaimie11

    There is common ground – but as long as you all and they want to go at each other you won’t find the common ground. Both sides have interests in common that are NOT at all the interests of the oligarchs.
    That is why they keep you separated – they don’t want you to see how they control both side of every issue, and while you are fighting each other over the (made up) issue, they are stealing you all blind.

  • Anonymous

  • Jaimie11

    I accept your premise – your truth is 100% truth – for you. I hope you will be very happy together.

  • Anonymous

    You should really try to reread what I said… It took less than 3 minutes for you to respond. 3 minutes was not enough to understand what I was saying

  • Anonymous

    The mindless persuit and use of wealth and power cause mental sloth and lead to brain atrophy which makes one more reliant on the lizard brain and more visceral and reason challenged.

  • Roberthe

    Up isn’t down and black isn’t white? Now I’m really confused.

  • David Desorcy

    You want to bet we will find out that some of these extreme Christian taliban fools are having incest with their own daughters. What are they thinking?

  • Anonymous

    And making them get secret abortions under fake names!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah! — open season on wife-dumper, mother-killer Randall Terry!

  • Anonymous

    Outlawing beer doesnt stop people from drinking. They will either go to the next county over, or make their own.
    Making abortion illegal in the state (under threat of death) will just cause people to go to the next state over or do it themselves. They wont say, “Well, there isnt an abortion doctor around….guess I should just become a good christian conservative republican and raise my child as such.” People dont get abortions for willy nilly reasons, fellas.

  • Anonymous

    Golly Gee! Is Nebraska even a state anymore? And apparently, knowing people who used to live in Nebraska, I guess it’s just a “nice place TO BE FROM!”

  • Anonymous

    But once you’re born, you have a target on your back. They really do want their minions to kill us. Arm and train yourself NOW.

  • Anonymous

    The Catholic Church used to impose such laws in Europe. It declared sex on Sundays the cause of all birth defects. It still forbids paralyzed and cerebral palsied men from marrying because their Bobbitts “aren’t good enough”.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t trust these religious fanatics as far as I could throw my house. If one of them kills an abortion provider, they will absolutely use this law as a defense! It is what the murderer of Dr. Tiller used as a defense, which failed in his case because there is no law like this in Kansas.

  • http://twitter.com/Rteefact Rteefact

    It funny the Right to Lifers are only concerned about a fetus, once the head crowns thay could give 2 shits, on how the child is raised, whether the child has food, clothing or shelter, heck thay don’t even care if the child is educated. If they are so willing to defend the fetus why not defend the child and provide for it. The answer plain and simple is they realy don’t care.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    Thank you…I now realize that no pecker is intended for pleasure and will pass the word.

  • Roberthe

    There is common ground to share, though as the rhetoric heats up the perception that there is is rapidly fading. This is not a good thing: democracy ceases to be viable when there is intense polarization. Usually, the group with the power makes the opposition illegal and begins to seriously oppress them. We aren’t at that state yet but the potential for such devolution is present.

    There is a tacit symmetry connected with how we view our opponents in political debate. If we think they are flaky they most likely hold the same opinion of us, and in equal intensity. If we believe there is no commonality where we can base our debate they most likely believe the same about themselves. Both sides are prone to being self-righteous. To say we are right and they are wrong is a conceit: how often do any of us accept that we are wrong and our opponent right, regardless of the context? This is true in our personal, our social, and our political lives. Our opponents in this matter believe with the totality of their being that they are right. They perceive us as being without reason or sentiment, that we are licentious and amoral, that we have contempt for human life. That parallels our perceptions of them. How do we determine who is right? Is it sheer numbers? Is it violence? Is it insults and contempt?

    This matter isn’t going to be resolved as long as there are unwanted or life-threatening pregnancies. Obviously, the need for abortions would disappear (except in cases of medical emergencies or rape) if we were responsible for our sexuality. I don’t see that happening any time soon. The only realistic way to “win” this debate, so that our sisters, wives, mothers, and daughters don’t have to resort to some back-alley abortionist is through the political process. That entails, among other things, debate with our opponents. We need to be aware of their beliefs as well as they are. We need to be absolutely sure of our own position, which will take serious soul searching. And we need to be able to clearly portray the consequences of each path. But if we can’t meet them as humans, regardless of how they meet us, then the matter is lost at the beginning.

  • Roberthe

    My perception of Republican health care is you’re covered from conception to birth, then you’re on your own.

  • Anonymous

    We hear all these criminal actions , laws , hate speeches and attacks against anything or anybody that disagrees with them, but where in …. is the attack against them and their statements by these so-called democrats.
    The right wing republicans have taken complete control of the republican party and their right hand corporate republicans have taken control of the democrat party.

    Where is our candidate to run against corporate republican Obama in 2012.
    Now is the time to recruit a democratic candidate so we can fund and campaign for them
    Obama said when running for office , he did not care if he would be an one term president , that he would do the right thing.
    What a difference an election made. Obama is campaigning his …. off to receive the funds for corporations and votes for the republicans. Obama figures that progressive will vote for him not matter how much he kicks us in the …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V5XKDORJ6HIVIZ6V5OTK76KTEY Immortal

    Someone’s about to point at the dog and say, “foaming at the mouth!”

  • jimbo

    This is government sponsored terrorism. Send a prankster after these assholes.

  • Stacy Montgomery

    Didn’t these a-holes run on a JOBS forum to get elected? So, not only have they not created a single job, they have added to the unemployment line. These guys are not leaders, they’re religious dicktators.

  • LicentiousMaximus

    When is this country going to get serious and start taxing churches. They wanna bust our unions, let’s bust theirs.

  • Ma’at

    Yes it was settled back then. Ever read the case? We did in first year Con Law. Abortion is absolutely 100% legal without restriction the first trimester with graduated restrictions the next two trimesters. Just because some people don’t like it doesn’t keep it from being legally settled.

  • Ma’at

    I’m with him. Wanna change minds? Get those non-psycho righties that don’t vote to go out and vote and, well, minds will be changed.

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t justifiable defensive homicide work both ways? So what is gained, besides a lot of shooting?

  • Anonymous

    It takes a man to know what’s best for a woman’s biological rights, doesn’t it? and teabagging right wing scum to boot. What’s the problem?

  • Anonymous

    Why do rethugs care so much about the fetus and so little about the people they become later in life?

  • Anonymous

    .

    Now why would these radicals think killing the mother would save her baby?

    Have they lost their mind? I mean, the doctors do NOT seek out the mothers.
    To use their vernacular, these mothers hire the hit man.
    Aren’t they just as complicit? Why not the same sentence of death?

    p.s.
    Abortion is Constitutionally protected throughout the USA. No one State can be above what the Supreme Court of the USA already ruled upon. Attempting to Legislate in such a manner IS unconstitutional.

    … Up next, Georgia attempts to legislate LYNCHINGS for bi-racial marriages? ‘Cause you know, the white person in that marriage is innocent but hang the black?

    This is the depth of depravity to which their logic falls to.

    .

  • Anonymous

    Okay. To get elected, the American Taliban were all about jobs. And now, suddenly, they’re all about abortion and rape. You all know by now that it’s not about what they say, but about what they don’t say.

    A younger woman recently told me she was excited to be involved in the issues of our time. I asked her about that, and she told me of her involvement with the Pro-Life movement. I told her I was Pro-Life also, and asked for more info. She elaborated about how abortion was wrong. I asked her if there should be policy, laws, regarding abortion. She said that’s what her involvement was all about.

    I looked at her and said “isn’t abortion a choice?”. She said “abortion should be illegal.” I said “then you are basically anti-choice?”. She said “no, pro-life.”. I said “I am pro-life and pro-choice.”

    Language makes a difference. We still dance together.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, it’s the American Taliban!

  • Anonymous

    The American Taliban is a radical organization. Don’t lose sight of this ultra-left wing train of thought. They are the problem, just re-positioned.

  • Anonymous

    Say what? Do ya’ll have election over there in N’braska?

  • Anonymous

    You keep saying there is common ground but I can see none. This is why this issue is used as a wedge. The oligarchs are manipulating the stupid. Unless you have something more constructive to add than to keep saying “there is common ground” maybe you will realize that it is not me you need to talk to but the people who would like to see me follow there rules. I have seen an erosion in America and some of it was caused by a tacit acceptance of others even to the extent of them infringing on my rights. That is fucking over. They have the right to live there life as they choose. I won’t give one more fucking inch. I am tired of the American Taliban.

  • Anonymous

    Even in an environment you describe where we are “responsible for our sexuality” what you describe is not reality but a utopia. There will always be unwanted and unplanned pregnancies. There is no perfection in the real world. As to debate there is none. Debate has been used against the reasonable for so long as a starting point for diminishing rights and freedom that my only starting point now is “do what you want with your own life, stay the fuck out of mine.” That is part of living in a free society. I know too much about them already and am tired of worrying about their feelings.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ODHDTSN5TFE24TZS22LJWXHO6I Rash Lameballs

    And only after 2 short(seems really long)months the greatest country in the world has turned into this.I thinks it’s time for all of us to take to the streets and scream” I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE”

    “The secret of freedom lies in educating people,whereas the secret to tryanny is keeping them ignorant”
    Maximilien Roperspierre

  • Anonymous

    Say what? Yes we do and Nebraska has its very progressive districts and we also have very rural evangelical districts. Some of the rural folks have never actually seen an ethnic, gay or lesbian person except for on Fox news. Some of the rural folks are completely out of touch so they vote for what they know as I am sure happens in your state.

  • Anonymous

    Does this include the Iraqi and Afghan unborn?If so this could mean that killing repubs would be justified under law, no?

  • Anonymous

    Fantastic idea when can I (legally) start?

  • http://www.zazzle.com/fierylocks FieryLocks

    Get off your high horse asshole.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P3H3P7BOG6M72EBFSR4ER4KQYM Ralph

    can doctors shoot protesters without any legal trouble? that ‘s a bad idea too. the thing about laws is that they need to be applied equally. I think maybe they should forget about it.

  • Jaimie11

    If you want me to re-read your comment, why did you remove it?

  • Jaimie11

    Glad you are able to contribute so intelligently to the debate.

  • Roberthe

    I don’t disagree with your point that there will be unwanted pregnancies; at that point I firmly believe it is up to the woman to be able to decide what the outcome will be. However, I hold that we, men and women, need to work toward being sexually responsible, which would greatly diminish the need to resort to abortion as a form of birth control.

    I’m not asking anyone to worry about the other side’s feelings. What I am hoping people will do is spend a little time reflecting on how we appear to them, which is most likely very similar to how they appear to us. We want the world to be dichotomous: good/evil, right/wrong, etc. We want things to be cased in absolutes but unfortunately for our desires the world is not monochromatic. Therefore my position is right and my opponent’s is wrong; anybody opposing what I perceive to be truth is either ignorant, misinformed, or an asshole. This particular scenario plays out on a regular basis in our political dialogue and is one of the reasons we as a nation are at impasse. Both sides of virtually every argument hold that their opponent is a dupe or is working for special interests. It’s almost as if both sides are itching for a confrontation so that we can prove we are right through physical force like rational men.

    Okay, so I’m a peace creep. I was a conscientious objector back in the says of the Selective Service. I believe in conflict resolution. I am in awe of Gandhi and wish I had even a tenth of his courage. I am unwilling to deny my enemy his humanity. I thiknk I’ll go out and hug a tree now. Best of luck.

  • Anonymous

    it should still be in the body of the email you received to tell you about my response in diqus when I responded to you… if not, let me know and I’ll post it again. I removed it because I didn’t want too many having that much insight into why I do things

  • Roberthe

    That’s Robespierre. Interesting quote of his, considering he was the major instigator of the Reign of Terror.

  • Anonymous

    The irony is that during the Clinton administration their suggestion of a “vast right-wing conspiracy” was met with derision. Turns out they were right. That was the beginning of the neoconservative movement that brought us the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, The Tea Party and others as well as their own conservative news channel. I do not consider those who disagree with mere dupes because they disagree but because they have no idea how their opinions and ideas are shaped. They are a bundle of conflicted sentiments and ideas: school prayer and racism, anti-abortion with the death penalty. They have turned reality upside down. I don’t know of the equivalent on the left, NPR?, MoveOn?, there is no equivalency really.As to abortion being a form of birth control no one says, aaah, I forgot my condom, she’ll just get an abortion.

  • Roberthe

    I have no doubt that there is an overarching conspiracy driven by corporate money (and rapacious greed) harnessed to reactionary, politically naive religious zeal; the evidence is everywhere these days, whether it be Wisconsin, Nebraska, or F***s News. There isn’t a handy analogue on the Left mainly because there isn’t any clear ideology driving the agenda. However, back in the 60s and early 70s there was a plethora of examples on the Left.

    As for abortion as a form of birth control, unless it is performed for medical reasons that is specifically what it is. Of the nearly 1 million abortions performed in this country annually roughly 25% were performed because the woman wanted to postpone childbearing while another 20% cited economic reasons. All told, roughly 10% were performed due to medical reasons.

  • Anonymous

    can we kill people that lie us into wars also? defense of un-killed soldiers and the citizens of the countries we terrorize?

  • Jaimie11

    Send it to me – my email is on my profile – if you’d rather not post it.

  • Jaimie11

    Yes, settled by a majority Republican decision with restrictions and with a hand over to the government to establish the definition of when life begins. The very first thing that is NOT settled is the fact that it treats women like lesser persons who are incapable of making their own decisions about their bodies. Women are so irrational that restrictions must be placed on them regarding when they may get an abortion if they choose, when they may not get one, even if they choose to.

    Roe v Wade established the right (illicit) of the Federal government to meddle in the private affairs of women, a subspecies of human being who cannot make her own decisions and needs 9 condescending males to make them for her.

    No, it is far from settled. The original laws against abortion were state laws voted on by males only. Those laws should have been repealed due to the fact that women were not permitted a voice in making them. As long as any laws exist regulating the behavior of women regarding their own bodies, women do not have equal rights, nor are they treated as equal under the law.

    Get the government out of my and all other women’s unteri. And stop using us a political footballs.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    this is a law to convict all libs of the abortions and return to kingdom rule by the repuggs.. endangerment of corp funding for abortions it costs the insurance corp more to pay for abortions than live births,

  • Anonymous

    This religious terrorist-backed law is no different than the religious terrorists in Kansas and South Carolina (and elsewhere across America) who’ve been stalking and sometimes killing legal-abortion providers after putting their names and addresses on Wild West-like wanted posters.

    Shouldn’t these fanatical religious fundamentalist Nebraskans be put on a terrorist watch list? Of course, they should, with the FBI and DHS watching their every move, tapping their phones, intercepting all e-mail traffic, since we are talking about a domestic religious terrorist cell, who’ve gone far beyond free speech to advocating murder, just like al Qaeda, just like the Taliban, just like any other insane religious zealots.

  • http://www.balmorheaprogressive.blogspot.com/ BaileyWuXiang

    They shouldn’t open up a gate like that. George W. Bush paid for two abortions before he met Laura.

  • Anonymous

    The reason is that many of these men see this as a way to control their female, nothing more. If they can have a say to what you can or can’t have, then they are in control of her and her reproduction rights. By her going into an abortion clinic and having one, these men feel like she is rejecting them. Our politicians are playing with fire and I believe they know it. But in their minds they think that it won’t burn them or it will hurt the people they want to hurt (the abortion people and providers). And to the women out their that fight against abortion, I have this to say. What about the rapes, incests, brain dead fetuses etc. etc, that happen in this country. If you didn’t have the ability to have the abortion then you would be forced to carry a baby of rape of incest of fetus genetic problems or whatever to term against your will. Then you will have a few choices, either put the baby up for adoption or raise him or her. Can you deal with that, or will you go to those back alley abortion places which killed alot of women trying to do an illegal abortion. Or have enough money to go to another country and get one. While many women without the means have to live under this rule for abortion while you don’t.

  • Anonymous

    I see no email in the profile but my twitter is definitly there. can u tweet me ur email

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    I wonder if they are prepared to spend millions defending these unconstitutional laws in court…..oh well they’ll just axe a few lying science teachers!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know that the left, in all their candy coated dreams, ever saw power like this. The fusion of political organizations with government and corporations seems like a recipe for disaster. A supreme court justice addressing a right wing political group? I can’t find any analogue on the left. The radical organizations in the seventies on the left were mostly unconnected to real political power. Real shifts occurred when public opinion on the Vietnam war shifted and it was realized it would never end. (Why doesn’t that happen now?)
    As to abortion as a form of birth control I had to think carefully on this; you are technically correct but wrong. Birth control is used prior to conception, abortion after. Why split hairs like this? When I see abortion referred to as birth control it is often used by one group (mostly white) to demonize the other (mostly black). If we can agree to start calling abortion birth control most abortion will have been stopped semantically but I don’t think that’s the goal. Pleasure talking to you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VQVGF4BFDDYIM2UGOIR7MKPXY Mike

    Buck,
    This has got very little to do with “controlling their women”, and EVERYTHING to do with PUSHING YOUR RELIGIOUS IDEAS ON SOMEONE ELSE!!! how moronic can this scenario be??? Nebraska state Sen. Mark Christensen is a NUT !!!!! I hope his wife/daughter/niece becomes pregnant and have dear old Dad/father/Uncle Mark cram his religion down their throats !!!

  • Roberthe

    I wasn’t attempting to make any connection with the Radical Left and actual political power; I was considering the existence of an active philosophical base that openly espoused leftist ideology, absurdist, diffuse, and self-defeating though it was. There has never been a time when the Left has had any true power in this country though that arises because of the Left being locked out of the power apparatus rather than it never possessing a plurality or majority of the population.

    Viet Nam was a different sort of adventurism than our fracases in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were weeks in Viet Nam where we lost 400 soldiers-we ended up losing close to 60,000 whereas our combined fatalities in Iraq and Afghanistan are about one tenth of that figure-the impact was far greater in terms of American blood. Another consideration was the Draft; many were forced to fight in a war in which they had absolutely no interest (the Viet Cong were not the NAZIs). This coupled with the realization that the sons of the rich and connected ended up not serving made the war even more despised. Perhaps the major difference however was something we no longer possess: an independent mainstream media. People looked up to the likes of Walter Cronkite the way the masses look to Beck and Limbaugh today however, unlike the latter two, Cronkite had a history of telling the truth. Journalists were not imbedded, they took risks, they looked where they weren’t supposed to look, and they were professionals, many having covered World War II which ended less than twenty years before Viet Nam shifted into high gear (are we really such asses?)

    I agree that we’re splitting hairs on issues of abortion, and considering we are on the same side it’s undoubtedly silly to do so. Just to be clear, I would never refer to abortion as a form of birth control in open debate (I doubt many have been following our colloquy) specifically because of the inability of a significant part of the population to parse sentences clearly without emotionally-driven overlays.

    Enjoy your day!

  • Jaimie11

    Try it now. I don’t get automatic notifications.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Oligarchs’… ‘pawns’ .. ‘slavery’ … ‘masters’ … ‘enslaved’… ‘goose stepping bully clones’ … Hollow rhetoric from a shallow mind.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like those Muslim Fundamentalists aren’t the only Fundamentalists who want to go back to The Time of Moses.

  • Anonymous

    You stop posting exactly when I email you

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