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PayPal cuts service to group supporting Bradley Manning: report

By Sahil Kapur
Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:45 EDT
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Update: Hours after Courage to Resist took their case against PayPal to their website, over 10,000 people signed a petition criticizing the online payments firm for their decision.

The account was reinstated a short time thereafter.

“Thank you to all of our supporters – many of whom contacted PayPal individually or signed the petition hosted by Firedoglake – who helped us restore our account,” group spokesman Jeff Paterson wrote.

“We are extremely grateful to everyone who raised their voice today. While PayPal was never a primary channel for our online donors, it is especially valuable to our international supporters who do not use US-based credit cards or checks. I hope you will now help us get back to our real work in support of accused WikiLeaks whistle-blower Bradley Manning.”

An original report follows

Online payment provider PayPal has apparently frozen the account of Courage to Resist, a group raising funds to support US Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, the whistleblower accused of passing classified documents to WikiLeaks.

The group said Thursday in a media advisory that PayPal recently chose to freeze its account — created in 2006 — after it began soliciting donations to support Manning. The 23-year-old, arrested in May, could face charges of espionage or treason.

He is currently being held in solitary confinement in a Virginia maximum security prison, where he sits alone in a cell for 23 out of 24 hours each day, according to Salon‘s Glenn Greenwald.

PayPal did not immediately return a request for comment.

According to Courage to Resist, the “Bradley Manning Defense Fund” — run in collaboration with the Bradley Manning Support Network — has raised a total of $176,250 from 2,801 individuals, and an additional $60,640 for Manning’s legal trust account.

“We’ve been in discussions with PayPal for weeks, and by their own admission there’s no legal obligation for them to close down our account,” said Loraine Reitman of the Bradley Manning Support Network. “This was an internal policy decision by PayPal.”

The group said PayPal declined to provide documentation of its policies regarding the matter.

The decision appears to be part of a broader PayPal strategy to disassociate its services from WikiLeaks — the online provider announced in December that it would no longer process donations to the anti-secrecy group and froze its account.

“While there may be no legal obligation [for PayPal] to provide services, there is an ethical obligation. By shutting out legitimate nonprofit activity, PayPal shows itself to be morally bankrupt,” said Jeff Paterson of the Bradley Manning Support Network.

Visa and Mastercard also cut off payments to WikiLeaks in December, but continue to process donations to Courage to Resist, which are to be used for “legal defense expenses, public awareness efforts, and minimal administrative costs” on Manning’s behalf.

Stephen C. Webster contributed to this report.

 
 
 
 
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  • Anonymous

    Since they did this bullshit a couple months ago, why are you people still using it? Stop making these capitalist tories rich.

  • http://www.BaltimoreGreenCurrency.org Shrapnel

    Paypal. Such a nice friendly name. Who would have though they were a bunch of unreconstructed fascist scum.

  • Schmice

    Boycott PayPal. Anybody who has contributed through this service should either sue individually or else set up a class action suit against PayPal.. They understand money not principle.

  • Anonymous

    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    -Thomas Jefferson

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Paypal engages in temporary theft for political and ideological purposes.

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone know what Republican owns paypal? Does the Koch bros own paypal?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Wikipedia-On October 3, 2002, PayPal became a wholly-owned subsidiary of eBay.[3] Its corporate headquarters are in San Jose, California, United States at eBay’s North First Street satellite office campus. The company also has significant operations in Omaha, Nebraska; Scottsdale, Arizona; and Austin, Texas in the U.S., Chennai, Dublin, Kleinmachnow (near Berlin) and Tel-Aviv. As of July 2007, across Europe, PayPal also operates as a Luxembourg-based bank.

  • RandyBastard

    I am almost speechless with outrage! I know it is strictly taboo to use the ‘F’ word, so let’s play a little Jeopardy: The political system most notable for it’s blending of corporate a governmental interests. Look it up, people. We have to get over the fear or disbelief or whatever it is and really look at issues of corporate power in this nation. I don’t see the word ‘corporation’ anywhere in the constitution.

    This is fixable! This is entirely due to the corruption of our corporate “personhood” laws. Instead of the limited personhood necessary for them to participate in our legal system, we’ve given them the whole shebang.

    FAUX News just recently won a suit wherein they argued they have the right to lie. I’m not kidding! If that’s true then say goodbye to nutrition labels. Say goodbye to any hope of holding them accountable in court.

    These laws should be our focus in the years ahead.

  • Anonymous

    That was very long winded and actually didn’t even answer the question – You must be a Republican #justsayin

  • John Kessler

    I just closed my PayPal account.

  • David R Velasquez

    Fuck PayPal. Never use the piece of crap service anyway.

  • ProgressiveInNewYork

    Wondering what dirt Wikileaks has on PayPal?

    Not forced to do it, but does?

    Self interest? Obstruction of justice?

  • Anonymous

    Scott Thompson is CEO of paypal sthompson@paypal.com .

    Prior to PayPal, he worked for a subsidiary of Visa, he was responsible for all development, support and maintenance of Visa’s global payment system. In addition, he has worked, delivering information technology solutions to leading financial services clients such as Wells Fargo.

    He’s basically a piece of sh!t banker and should be added to the enemies list if anyone has one.

  • ghostof911

    I closed my PayPall account when they cut off funds to Wikileaks. Contributions to Wikileaks can be made through Philly-based xipwire.com.

    https://xipwire.com/give/wl

  • ghostof911

    Paging Anonymous. Hope they take it down this time long enough to make it hurt.

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    I closed my account and my wifes account a while back. WTF people stop using Paypal stop supporting these scumbags.

  • Anonymous

    I have stopped my support of Paypal.I do not have any credit cards.Cash or go without is my system.It works. Also I do not use banks,I use a credit union. No amazon either. Ebay can kiss my ass goodbye as well.

  • Anonymous

    I have taken all my money out of all banks and buried it in my yard.

    I am building an underground bunker after that to live in and stocking it with cans of generic corn.

    I will still be accessing the internet so keep me posted on your above-ground emergencies as they arise.

    Keep me informed of all atrocities such as these so that I may take further appropriate action, such as setting my hair on fire and running around screaming like a dumbass.

    That is all, for now.

    Time to dig dig dig.

  • Anonymous

    Not only do I appriciate your insightful posts Im more than sure Frank would too.Keep up the good work.And always know that the trolls are just the slime on the radio

  • SocialistCafe

    Want dirt on Paypal? Look into their acquisition by eBay. It never should have been allowed as it could have created a monopoly. This happened in 2002, under GW Bush and when capitalism and corporations were going wild and government was letting them.

  • enorceht

    closed PP when they stopped taking donations for wikileaks and i’m sure a lot of people did … now i’d like to see a lot of groups that i donate to drop paypal as one of the choices.is there any address for Courage to Resist that donations can be mailed to i hear you ask …why yes there is:To make a tax-deductible donation by postal mail, pleasemake checks out to “Courage to Resist/ AFGJ”and mail to:Courage to Resist484 Lake Park Ave #41Oakland, CA 94610

    i’m sure they will take money order too

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/YVBA25ZZJYN5C44WGILY6P4X34 Raven

    Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is an authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Valentine/1277133078 Michael Valentine

    Oligarchy pure and simple.

    Constitutional law professor my ass. I can’t say how sorry I am that I supported Candidate Obama. But in my defense he walked and talked the liberal candidate no end.

    Hell he even beat the CDL candidate Hillary, who I would have expected to act the part of Clinton Presidency 3&4. Fool me once ….

  • tsuki

    I am surprised at the number of progressive blogs that still support PayPal. I don’t understand it.

  • Anonymous

    Try Xipwire.

  • Anonymous

    Why be gratuitously rude? He added good info to your original posted question, which you actually answered yourself. What, you ask questions so you can insult people that respond positively? That’s weird.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJJ4KEVT2Z5RDHTIRGJOUWL2EA Paul M

    H.P. Did answer your question. You were obviously expecting a more concise answer. He gave you a bit more, that´s all.

  • Jaimie11

    Check out what else eBay owns – Skype for example. And apps people here use.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay

  • CozmicSeer

    Dropped these jerks just as soon as it was revealed that they wouldn’t support Bradley Manning back a couple of months or so ago. Let them know at the time my extreme displeasure with their actions and why I no longer would use their service. Just wish enough people would do the same so that they would start to see such diminishing income that they would have to shut down. They don’t deserve to have a presence on our internet anymore.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    box..

  • Anonymous

    Lets take away their charter to do business in America. Do they pay any taxes at all. Go to US Uncut.

  • ghostof911

    Xipwire is not yet set up to accept contributions to Courage to Resist. I just wrote an email to Xipwire sales and asked them to consider setting it up, in light of the recent decision by PayPal.

  • Anonymous

    wondering if anonymous will shut them down….

  • lyris

    I dropped pay pal a while ago.

  • lyris

    Thanks for the facts, Loathecraft. I hope every moderates and liberals will drop pay unpal.

  • lyris

    He gave information about paypal. You were going over the top over who owns paypal. I prefer facts and not conjecture.

  • lyris

    I may not like Scott Thompson, but I like my Visa Debit Card. When someone stole my numbers they called me and stopped my former numbers from ever being used again, and I didn’t spend a penny on that.

    Sometimes there is good coming out of the bad.

  • lyris

    So complain to your elected officials about corporations, and don’t let him or her tell you that there are many good corporations. Tell him or her that you want tighter regulations on all corporations, even breaking them down.

    The good ones will survive.

  • Anonymous

    Time to dump Pay-Pal….it appears they have chosen the wrong side….which is pretty remarkable, when you think about the service they provide…dumb me, I never thought of the simple transaction of “money for goods exchange” as being a platform for a political propaganda agenda…(HA!..).

  • lyris

    The only thing I have is a Visa Debit card as I don’t like to carry cash. I told what Visa did for me above, I refuse to drop it. If someone steatls my purse I can call Visa and change my numbers yet again.

  • lyris

    You are joking aren’t you?

    How about using Credit Unions who help communities they are located in.

  • lyris

    Wait, the good ones will drop them.But let them know how you feel about pay pal.

  • lyris

    You forgot that fascism is right wing. What dictionary did you get your info from? I would like to combine mine with yours.

  • Anonymous

    E-Bay…didn’t Meg Whitman (R) “step down” as Executive of E-Bay, to run as Governor (against Jerry Brown) in California..?

  • Anonymous

    Credit Unions probably have fine print just like PayPal does.

    Anyway, if the manager of the Credit Union doesn’t have his hat tuned to my frequency we’ll never get along and he’ll just use my money to rape pineapple growers in Tahini.

  • Anonymous

    Pay Pal isn’t your pal.

  • lyris

    Ah yes another left wing extremist who knows very little if anything about our Constitution. I will support President Obama and will certainly vote for him in 2012.

    People like you will allow the gop gain power again as you did in 2000 voting from nader the grandstader. Had you voted for Gore we wouldn’t have had two illegal wars and most likely 9/11 wouldn’t have happened as Gore was well aware of the warnings Clinton tried to warn bush about.

    When will the extreme left learn? You’re as dangerous as the teabagging/gop.

  • Anonymous

    He didn’t answer the question. That was a typical Republican (in fact political) response where nothing is said that resembles an answer to the question. Do you think I didn’t already see that on wiki?

    That’s like asking “who pushed the war in Iraq” then answering “The White House is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the US government has embassies in london, germany, prague, norway, sweden etc and operates the fed.”

  • lyris

    Good, maybe if others do the same they may do it.

  • Anonymous

    see my response to lottakatz

  • lyris

    Did anyone look at what’s below our posts?

    Pay Pal.

    Complain to Raw Story.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

    You post a question, which on a blog among people you have absolutely no connection to except electronic proximity and possibly interest, is asking for a gift. Then if people don’t respond with a gift quite up to your standards you feel entitled to abuse them? Srsly?

    Don’t you have any home training?

  • Anonymous

    Anyone got a good list of viable online payment service providers that I can integrate into my client’s websites instead of PayPal. I’m wanting to boycott them at all levels but I also want to make sure my clients have a good value (and easy to use) alternative service to use.

  • Anonymous

    what are you talking about? What do you mean I was going over the top? I only gave facts on who the CEO is. Paypal is owned by ebay which was run by a right-winged sociopath Meg Whitman for 10 years and if you don’t think a right-winged sociopath didn’t take over after in John Donahoe, you’re sadly mistaken.

    Now you can say I’ve made conjecture because I’m only assuming Domahoe is a sociopath because of what he’s done.

  • Anonymous

    Do you think they would do that without the government telling them to?

  • Guest

    Keep me posted if a class action becomes available.

  • http://skulzstudios.com/ don nash

    PayPal! The word sort of just slides off’n one’s tongue like fresh puke. Indeed, boycott PayPal. Ain’t none of their damn business to cut off ANY group supporting Bradley Manning.
    Goddamn merciless corporates keep pushing and pushing…
    About time for a little push back.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate the input, it just wasn’t an answer to the question.

  • ThatBostonMan

    Ok this might be going too far. Isn’t Bradley Manning a US citizen?
    That means he has a right to a trial of some sort, which means he has a right to raise money in his defense.

    Cutting off Assange is one thnig, cutting off Wikileaks is one thing, but cutting off Manning is something else entirely.
    Unless they consider Manning to be a member of a terrorist organization it’s simply not constitutional to suppress the free speech rights of US citizens with regard to donating to Manning. If they see Wikileaks as a terrorist organization then they can cut off donations to Wikileaks but they will have a difficult time proving Manning is a member of a terrorist organization.

  • ThatBostonMan

    The difference here is Courage to Resist is an American organization. Whether the government likes them or not they have US Constitutional free speech rights. That means they can donate to Manning if they want to. Because Manning is not foreign it’s going to be a difficult case to make him out to be a member of a terrorist group, so unless they consider Wikileaks to be a terror organization, there are no laws that I know of that gives the government the power to suppress the free speech rights of Courage to Resist or any of the Manning supporters.

  • Anonymous

    Thus begins the Amurkan kangaroo show trial and the demonization of the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Visa debit card is probably ok but the skanks oops i mean banks are going to start jacking you off with outragous service charges any time now. please dont ask ericroded though as he is a bank/koch brothers paid troll.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously the concept of “innocent until proved guilty” has no meaning for them…
    And they’ll add their bit to ensuring he does not get the best defense possible.
    This Bradley Manning story is turning into a rather dark period for American justice.
    Why don’t ya folk just … lynch him and be done with it?

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    I am really shocked that some sort of payment institution was not set up in Iceland. They really are a beacon of light when it comes to resisting corruptive influence.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing new here.

    Paypal has screwed over consumers for years by protecting dishonest vendors.

    We used Paypal once, would have been defrauded but for a good relationship with a credit card company, and never used Paypal again.

    Use Paypal at your own risk.

  • Anonymous

    Time to boycott paypal?

  • Anonymous

    Well for fucks sake! Excuse me while I close my account with them and write an angry letter. “Dear un-American shitheads…”

  • pluky

    Ah, Ebay –> Meg Whitman (ring any bells?)

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t used paypal in years and will never use them again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    That’s right Ebay and Paypal own a mutually inclusive monopoly and you have no choice but to either use both or abandon both. Some of us depend on Ebay for income and cannot choose the second choice.

    Edit: I feel a little better now that PayPal has responded in the right way. Give them Kudos for standing up to the dark forces at work in this case. I say Bravo.

    Would Meg Whitmann have done this? I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    Damn you PayPal !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-W-Roads/629696293 Chris W Roads

    And you thought we beat the nazis?? NO NO they are back and bold as ever

  • Anonymous

    Well, do a “trifecta” and stop using all of them. Use your debit card.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been using my debit card or nothing.

  • RottenJohnny

    I dumped paypal years ago, and ain’t missed it since.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X6KZDURSQYEXQR533L2VXNABAQ Ron

    I believe you are incorrect.
    The government may, among other options, make an unreviewable determination that Wiki is providing “material support” to a “terrorist” organization.

    The present administration is already actively engaged in suppression
    http://www.truth-out.org/justice-department-prepares-expansion-laws-targeting-activists

    It’s Happening Now – FBI, Grand Juries, and Anti-War
    http://www.counterpunch.org/murphy01252011.html

  • Anonymous

    Treason and espionage during time of war are punishable by DEATH !

    Thats my vote

  • ghostof911

    That’s a great suggestion. I’ll forward it along to someone who might give it some legs.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    A trumped up war to support the corporate class. Young people dying for nothing. Trillions of OUR tax dollars wasted. Not to mention the presumption of innocence our system guarantees Pvt Manning, and you have judged him guilty? You are a fool of monumental proportions.

    Bradley Manning is a HERO.

  • ghostof911

    Firedoglake has a petition going demanding that PayPal restore restore access to the Bradley Manning account.

    http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/manning_paypal?source=em1

    Letter to PayPal:

    According to the Bradley Manning Support Network, PayPal has frozen the account of the group that supports Pfc. Bradley Manning’s legal defense.

    Citizens around the world have donated to the Bradley Manning Support Network to fund the legal defense of Pfc. Manning. This grassroots activism is now hindered because of a political policy decision by PayPal to block these funds.

    The Bradley Manning Support Network has not been accused of any impropriety. Your company has essentially admitted that there is no legal reason to shut down account access, and that it is simply an internal policy decision. Additionally, the organization has complied with every reasonable demand from PayPal to restore access to its account – short of the extraordinary and unnecessary step of providing PayPal direct access to its checking account.

    PayPal should drop its unreasonable demands of the Bradley Manning Support Network and restore access to the group’s PayPal account.

  • http://www.petersaxemusic.com Peter Saxe

    Paypal needs to clarify it’s policies. It’s one thing to say that they won’t do business with businesses they determine to be criminal, but this was a legal defense fund. Paypal is going to lose business.

  • http://twitter.com/adoracle jude jeter

    ‘can those who donated thru them get their money back? cancel the donations? then send checks?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Paypal? Blech! They are fascist scumbags indeed! But of course we already knew that…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Is it unreasonable to expect Obama to keep his campaign promises? Go ahead and vote for him. Love him. He will destroy you.

  • Anonymous

    Gee, I wonder why they made that decision :/

  • Iconoclasm

    I’ll NEVER use Pay pal again!

  • Iconoclasm

    I didn’t realise that Ebay OWNS Paypal. Guess I gotta give up on Ebay too!

  • http://twitter.com/angryhoosier Dustin
  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    You realize that associating some political affiliation to everything you dont like is pretty much a mental illness; ie, you’re nutso.

    I bet when White Castle screws up your order, you shake your fist and curse at Sarah Palin. Before long, you’ll be holding cardboard signs on the street corner, aggressively panhandling passerbys and accusing them of being a Republican when they dont give you enough change.

  • Anonymous

    You realize of course that the humor is completely lost on you and I blame that on the fact that you must be Republican.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    http://www.google.com
    Love,
    Ronald Reagan, the greatest president ever including the future.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Republican Tourettes Syndrome.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “probably” (has no fucking idea…)

  • risa bear

    I’ve heard Mussolini coined “corporatism” while formulating his definition of fascism. We should govern our actions accordingly.

  • http://www.zazzle.com/fierylocks FieryLocks

    You do know who founded Ebay don’t you? That republican scum bitch Meg Whitman.
    http://gawker.com/#!5564226/billionaire-bad-boys-club-meg-whitmans-sons-arrest-for-beating-up-a-girl

  • d f bizzle

    Whats the closest competitor/alternative to paypal? (is it just visa/MC?)

  • Anonymous

    FU PAY PAL!

    Is there competition for them out there?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Ditto. All credit cards trashed. Never again. There is always a workaround. Screw those greedy bastards.

  • Robert Shaftoe

    Interesting that PAYPAL will process donations to hate groups like the KKK and American Nazi Party (not to be confused with well-dressed members of the Tea Party).

    That’s OK, the founder of Pirate Bay set this payment site up just for Wikileaks and Bradley Manning:

    https://flattr.com/profile/WikiLeaks

    This site lists a few other alternatives to PayPal but might not be totally up to date:

    http://blog.webdistortion.com/2010/07/28/paypal-alternatives-e-commerce/

  • http://twitter.com/PeterNoTail Peter No Tail

    Everyone, even a child molester or a neocon, is entitled to a legal defense, and there is absolutely nothing illegal in contributing to someone’s legal defense.

    All that should go without saying, so what’s the deal, PayPal?

  • Anonymous

    I smell a boycott brewing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5FLH5JI4ZXJM422NAD6M5SS7U wc fields

    i ordered a product from a vendor through paypal, never received it, filed a complaint with paypal, and never heard from them again. i was out $25 and done with their company.

  • hourglass1

    what war? congress declared no war?
    we hung japanese for waterboarding! let’s settle that score first!
    treason? what treason? turn off yer tee vee, charmin
    commander mccain collaborated with hanoi and is a war hero to chumps like you.
    punishment and death is what you guys always yell for – when it’s someone else
    be careful what you vote for because you and death with get real close and personal in due time … tick tock

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Powell-Gammill/500083817 Powell Gammill

    anonymous?

  • Anonymous

    f that im not using paypal ever again even if they do reverse the ban i cannot forgive them.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/YVBA25ZZJYN5C44WGILY6P4X34 Raven

    Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right. Confusion over whether fascism is of the left or right is due to the inability to fit the economic policies into a clear-cut category, because while fascism is considered on the right politically, fascist economic controls were left-wing, though ended up benefiting social groups considered to be supportive of right-wing parties

  • Al Baston

    This sucks BIG Time – Fuck PayPal – Use ActBlue Instead!

    http://www.actblue.com

  • Anonymous

    Then you’ll answer my questions on your vote….??
    1. Shouldn’t TRIAL, CONVICTION and SENTENCING come before any thought of DEATH?
    2. Would that include illegal wars; wars of aggression and self-aggrandizement?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    They do it on their own because the objective with cards is to give them an advantage over cash. Merchants sign agreements to treat them the same as they do cash. Everytime you see somebody try to charge you extra for using a card, you can call visa/mastercard (not sure about the others) and have the fees refunded. Then the card issuer takes action against the merchant (usually just a friendly reminder backed by a threat saying that they cant do that).

    Fraud is actually a marginal number versus the total profits from card use.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    Now I have to stop using PayPal. Damn.

  • Anonymous

    Do not use Pay Pal. I and thousands of others have had my bank account dipped into by Pay Pal to Ebay, money was transferred to an Ebay account and held for 3 months, bounced my account and they didn’t accept guilt although they were the only online merchants with the account number. User Beware!

  • Anonymous

    “Lyris,”

    You are full of it. I have studied constitutional law since 1961, hold a Juris Doctorate, and practiced litigation for more than 20 years. Obama is consciously and deliberately curtailing Americans’ constitutional rights, especially under the 4th and 5th Amendments.

    Moreover, even if “Michael Valentine” did vote for Nader in 2000, which he probably did not, changing his vote would have had no electoral impact whatsoever unless he lived in Florida, where the butterfly ballot implemented by a Democratic official had far more impact than Nader supporters.

    Simple-minded, ignorant hero-worshippers are far more dangerous to democracy than citizens who vote their political philosophies. “Moderates” such as Obama who lack a coherent political philosophy have no principles to guide them except expediency and self-interest. Moderate voters are easily frightened and manipulated; moderate politicians have no scruples to prevent them from doing it.

    I have far more respect for the Teapartiers who have political principles with which I completely disagree than I have for ignorant and mindless political cultists who blame others for the Democratic Party’s weaknesses, sellouts, and inevitable failures.

    Have a nice day.

  • Anonymous

    Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer who bequested his values to his son George and grandson George, who have shared them with Obama.

    They all are corporatist authoritarians, which is the essence of fascism.

  • Anonymous

    “Ericroded,”

    You are correct that this is not an emergency on a par with the revolution in Libya or the earthquake in New Zealand.

    However, the systematic persecution of any individual should be a matter of grave concern for all people of good will who value human rights and democracy. I would bet dollars to donuts that you know Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous line, “First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, …”

    Your selection of Phil Ochs is all I need to know about you to like the way you think, but this time you are slightly askew.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever stopped to think?

  • Anonymous

    Laws are all well and good, but “security” agencies such as the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, Homeland Security and even local police rarely pay more than lip service to the constitution and rule of law.

    These “heroes” (often sincerely) believe that killing as many real and imagined boogeymen as possible is more important than protecting democracy, law or justice.

    As always, the greatest danger to any democracy are those who claim to be defending it with violence and coercion.

  • Anonymous

    Wikileaks is a lot bigger than most people think. A window into the secret world of the rich and powerful is a considerable threat, thye lie and cheat everyday. There has been and will continue to be alot of dirty dealings over this. Pay pal is carrying water for some evil bastards! Poor Julian Assange is about to be shipped off to the gulag for breaking a condom.

  • Anonymous

    You aren’t talking about the same thing. She’s not talking about disputes, she’s talking about thieves. There are laws that protect people from stolen credit card numbers and th card companies wouldn’t care unless there were laws that told them to. Once those laws are in place they’re going to advertise them to their advantage. Of course they won’t say, “We care about you because the government tells us we have to” in their ads, they’re going to pretend they care instead.

  • cannotvote

    The dangers of using PayPal are somewhat similar to the dangers of using a toothpaste that has Sodium Fluoride as it’s main active ingredient! http://fluoridedangers.blogspot.com/2005/12/fluoride-never-fda-approved-for.html
    http://naturaldentistry.us/1378/the-dangers-of-fluoride/ !!!!!!!!!!!?????????

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Wow. Power to the people.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    I closed my pay pal, e-bay, and amazon accounts about a month back. When I tole them why… they said “we never heard of Wikileaks or Julian”… I wonder if they have….NOW? Screw writing to a “corporate representitive”…. ending business relationship works best and fastest.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    I would open an account…. just so that I could close it… and tell them why.

  • David R Velasquez

    Good find!

  • Anonymous

    Mark this as the day that an online petition actually *did* something. Granted, it could only work against another online-only entity, but still…

  • YeaSayer

    Ebay’s management is shamelessly poor. What they’ve done to the ebay website in the last few years is apalling.

  • ghostof911

    The person you spoke with was no doubt a low wage contractor working in Bangladesh or India. You have to give them a break if they never heard of Wikileaks.

    For a chuckle, here the chat log from the cancellation of my Amazon account.

    http://my.firedoglake.com/ghostof911/2010/12/09/how-to-cancel-your-amazon-account/

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    How about all the advertisers that abandoned Gwen Beck from the Color of Change campaign?

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    I had one of my more innocuous comments deleted from this thread. Didn’t even swear or directly insult anyone.
    WTF?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Neat! Perhaps the instantaneous scorn disgust and repulsion of thousands of people does have enough meaning to alter corporate behavior. I was getting a little jaded and certain that evil couldn’t be bargained with…but my faith is ever so slightly restored.

  • jim

    i live in Omaha where the paypal customer service main center is located. i know a ton of people who work there. paypal/ebay is a nasty nasty company as far as their policies are concerned. now that the economy is in the shitter (thanks republicans!) they have the advantage of working people at below-living-wage standards. hooray for them. how proud they and their shareholders must be. everybody i know who works there is praying for a better job.

  • Anonymous

    Shahna, i never pronounced a sentenced on Manning i merely stated that according to the UCMJ that those
    offences in time of war are punishable by Death and that is the way i would vote. Much like the way Valerie Plame was exposed by Litty and Cheeny should have been charged

  • Anonymous

    JasonA, sounds like it was your voted president Dubya who starter all of this.
    If i am that fool of “monumental proportions” then you must be a complete illiterate, i have judged NO ONE guilty as you say. i merely stated the fact that, treason and espionage are punishable by death, and that is in accordance with the UCMJ. If found guilty my vote would be death. If you think this person is a “Hero” you are a traitor to your country, not to mention CRAZY.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Excellent! The voice of the People CAN drown out corporations. We must use this power at every opportunity we can. Then once doing so, boycott them.

  • Anonymous

    I’m still never using paypal again.

  • Anonymous

    Before the news of the PayPal recission, I rang them to complain and to close my account barring recission within 24 hours. I spent an hour on the telephone with an idiot who claimed not to know who Bradley Manning was. She also claimed they had no record of Bradley Manning Support Network. When she admitted to having Internet access, I asked her to Google the BMSN. She put me on hold for 18 minutes and then disconnected me. During the hold I found that PayPal had rescinded and didn’t try to reconnect. Not the best way to win hearts and minds.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    Ok cite this “law”.

    The fraud is overlooked for exactly the reasons I stated; the card companies have an objective to give their cards an advantage over cash.

  • Guest

    PayPal can shove it up their collective assholes, I will never use them again.

  • Anonymous

    hmmm… let’s see, ah, hear it is… http://www.google.com... if you want to learn, work for it. Don’t ask others to do it for you unless you’re paying them. Personally, I like to take the time to learn. I think the credit card laws are on a couple hundred pages. Oh, but each state has its own on top of federal

  • Anonymous

    What about this find:

    “If law fails, CIA will assassinate Assange”

    Judge Howard Riddle, the bane of Julian Assange’s existence for the past three months, has granted Sweden’s extradition request. The WikiLeaks founder has already repealed the ruling, but his worst fears have been cemented: the rape charges are going to follow him for the rest of his life, perhaps even after years of repeals. Paul Craig Roberts says there is a concerted effort to shut Assange up. If the legal attempt fails, he’ll be assassinated by a CIA assassination team.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYLHCvM-7s

    What about Manning’s future?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget that eBay owns PayPal.

  • Jaimie11

    Well that will make the US like the Saddam Hussein regime! Wow, we are moving fast in the wrong direction, aren’t we?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Like every other damn corporation, they take a stand, and then cave like a house of cards if they might possibly, maybe, eventually, lose a dollar. They have no real values, just a love of money above all else. Hang these bastards.

    And Pfc. Manning is still a hero.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    I have a relative who works there too. From what she tells me, you are 100% correct.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    Buddy, youre the one making this claim.

    They do this voluntarily. I know thats difficult for you to grasp, but think about how absurd it is that you would make a false claim, and then demand that I prove it for you.

  • Anonymous

    When you close your PayPal account, they give you the opportunity to vent about why you’re doing so. I told them it’s none of their business who people give their money to. I haven’t used PayPal in ages, and I don’t exactly sympathize with Bradley Manning, because he basically ratted himself out as a leaker, but I completely respect anyone’s desire to contribute to his legal defense. PayPal only exists because it’s the only way eBay allows people to pay for stuff. Pathetic, really.

  • Anonymous

    no comment from Paypal?
    whatever… still never using them again.

    im sick of this crap.. too many people/companies/groups think they can act like whatever shade of shit they want to until someone calls them on it then they just “take it back” and everything is fine?.. but they never change.. they just keep pushing things further and further and hoping people dont notice everything.

    from now on these losers dont get second chances with me… i smell a single whiff of their BS and im jumping ship.

  • Anonymous

    if you want to learn, work for it. Don’t ask others to do it for you unless you’re paying them. Personally, I like to take the time to learn.

    peterlawrence 02/24/2011 08:12 AM

    • Does anyone know what Republican owns paypal? Does the Koch bros own paypal?


    peterlawrence 02/24/2011 08:24 AMin reply to H.P. Loathecraft

    • That was very long winded and actually didn’t even answer the question – You must be a Republican #justsayin

    Ahhh Hypocrisy at it’s finest………………

  • Anonymous

    ” if you want to learn, work for it. Don’t ask others to do it for you unless you’re paying them. Personally, I like to take the time to learn.

    peterlawrence 02/24/2011 08:12 AM

    • Does anyone know what Republican owns paypal? Does the Koch bros own paypal?


    peterlawrence 02/24/2011 08:24 AMin reply to H.P. Loathecraft

    • That was very long winded and actually didn’t even answer the question – You must be a Republican #justsayin ”

    Ahhh Hypocrisy at it’s finest………………

  • Anonymous

    I was pissed enough about Wikileaks funding suspension but when I heard about Courage To Resist being suspended, my business was already making plans to offer PayPal alternatives to our customers and provide free implementation (potentially to 60 businesses that have shopping carts).

    Deciding to defund Wikileaks because of it’s activities being potentially criminal.. I can almost accept. But funding a legal defense is not providing finances to a crime, it’s providing funding to the judicial process on the side that doesn’t have near-unlimited resources. There’s nothing wrong with that and I’m relieved PayPal have changed their stance as it’s saved me a few hours of work switching payment systems on client’s shopping carts, etc.

    Don’t expect a comment from PayPal. They’re obviously uncomfotable about this and will have the banksters (and the politicians that banksters have in their pockets) leaning on them to make Manning suffer for exposing tax-payer funded diplomacy for the vehicle of fascism it has become under the corrupting influence of corporate dollars. (and shit like Clinton proposing spying on the UN!!)

    Re-activating Courage To Resist’s account is what we wanted and we got it – and actions speak louder than words. So on this decision, based on the current outcome… fair play to PayPal – at least they listened.

  • Anonymous

    yes, most know how to confuse hypocrisy with a rhetorical question. Funny, I got your complaint and one because I answered my own question. Really? Did you really think I didn’t know the answer already? WOW…

  • ghostof911

    Deciding to fund Wikileaks because of its activities being potentially criminal

    Hey buddy, fuck you and the boat you floated in on. The United States invaded Iraq, a neutral and defenseless country that posed no threat based on bogus information about WMDs and then proceeded to slaughter approximately 2 million Iraqis, and you have the fucking nerve to say that Wikileaks’ release of the evidence is potentially criminal?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

  • ghostof911

    Contributions can made directly to the Bradley Manning fund using snail mail to prevent PayPal from getting any piece of the action.

    Courage to Resist
    484 Lake Park Ave #41
    Oakland, CA 94610

  • Anonymous

    here DUDE! The amount of time I spent looking it up was less time than it took to type this fkn response! And this is just a quick summary… each state has its own laws.
    DON’T BE SO FKN LAZY!

    Lawyers.Com

    Q: I lost my wallet, and credit cards. What am I responsible for?

    * A: If your wallet is stolen, your greatest cost may be inconvenience, as your liability on lost or stolen cards is limited under Truth in Lending. You don’t have to pay for any unauthorized charges made after you notify the card company of loss or theft of your card. So keep a list of your credit card numbers and notify card issuers immediately if your card is lost or stolen. The most you will have to pay for unauthorized charges is $50 on each card, even if someone runs up several hundred dollars worth of charges before you report a card missing.

  • David R Velasquez

    I’m not 100% sure that the rape charges are unwarranted.
    Judging by the accounts in the statements made by the plaintiffs Assange may have handed the State Department just what they wanted. It would be a pity if its true.
    Notice I use the word ‘may’.

    What is certain when the ‘game is afoot’?
    Assange is important for what he and others have done and are doing.
    But he is not the only one. Anonymous is important because it doesn’t hide behind the persona or ego of one person but could be anyone or a million people.
    Theoretically, they don’t have to kill Assange physically… just his name and his credibility…. which is hard to do unless he hands it to them. He still has the ‘insurance’ file which will be unleashed with the simple release of the key code should they kill him.

    But then, ….shouldn’t it be released anyway? Should all this hang upon one person’s well being?
    I don’t think it should.
    Except for the well being of Bradly Manning… who really is the one who actually counts here.
    He’s the one who’s undergoing torture in the psychological sense and faces greater physical dangers than Assange.
    Wikileaks was founded (or arguably cofounded) by Assange…… but at this point they wouldn’t have the relevance nor be anywhere near the impetus for the discussion of transparency if it weren’t for Bradley Manning… who has put himself on the line and likely felt duty bound to release them because what’s in the cables was too important and above the fate of one man.
    I’m just guessing here.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    In 2009 Truth in Lending codified what card issuers were already doing in terms of limiting liability for fraud. Its a recent law that made no sweeping changes other than putting in stone something that was already done voluntarily. Yet your claim is that they wouldnt do it unless the government commanded they do so. Again, a false claim.

    If I pass a law that you cannot piss on trees on public parks, and you are already NOT pissing on trees in public parks, its fallacious to conclude that you would have done it anyway without the law in place.

    But since these are evil corporations we are talking about, you assume the worst.

  • David R Velasquez

    Of course …should the CIA or any other independant contractors acting upon the orders of the US State Dept. assassinate Assange (should he appear to “suicide”)..then ultimately this war crime will fall directly onto Obama’s lap. For he is the one who has not only allowed Bush era policies to be continued but its during his administration that has entrenched the policy of assassinations.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!!!! I never expected you to lie to try and prove your invalid point. Check out the “Truth in Lending Act” of 1968. NOTICE I SAID 1968?!!!!!!!!!!! specifically under – § 226.12 Special credit card provisions. and here’s ur fkn link!!! http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/6500-1400.html

    Not only that!!!!! the courthouse halls are litered with cases of people who have sued credit card companies so they wouldn’t have to pay under the 1968 Act because credit card companies tend to ignore the law. MAN! When you lie you pick BIG ones!!!

    I’m done with you… “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt” Mark Twain… hmmm maybe it was Samuel Clemens… Either way, I’m sure you’ll challenge that too… here’s your link! http://ask.yahoo.com/20010115.html

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    That is NOT at all how your original comment reads dude. You well deserve the negative replies criticizing your lame post.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3ETFGMQ3B7VD4AAMILBBEVMCWE JasonA

    Chamanm – I think you have said quite enough to expose yourself, in fact and thought, as the fool of monumental proportions I have said you are.

  • Reverend Draco

    I stopped using PayPal long ago. . . they charged me for an order that had already been canceled, and then charged again for the refund. In a series of emails we exchanged, they admitted their Intent to Defraud.

    It is my fervent hope that the whole Bradley Manning/Wikileaks thing drives them out of business.

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