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Exclusive: Non-partisan ‘US Uncut’ group demands corporations pay taxes

By Sahil Kapur
Friday, February 25, 2011 14:03 EDT
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WASHINGTON – Corporate tax evasion has evolved into a virtual art form. Two-thirds of US corporations didn’t pay so much as a dime in taxes between 1998 and 2005, exploiting a multitude of loopholes, according to a Congressional report.

Targeting corporations who evade taxes turned out to be quite the anti-austerity rallying cry in England, where a new prime minister is pushing painful cuts for working people.

Now, that same rallying cry is going out across the United States, where the anti-spending tea party movement has in recent years overshadowed the voices of those who want government to be more active on behalf of the middle class.

A new non-partisan group called US Uncut — named after UK Uncut — aims in part to challenge the tea party’s push for lower corporate taxes. They instead want Congress stop letting wealthy corporations dodge their taxes.

“This is an issue that has been ignored for way too long,” Carl Gibson, a US Uncut spokesman, told Raw Story. “Congress has been chipping away and chipping away at corporate responsibility to pay taxes.”

“And now it’s gotten to the point where the middle class is being sacrificed on the altar of deficit reduction, while big corporations are getting away with not paying any taxes at all.”

The website Wall St. Cheat Sheet found that corporations routinely claim hundreds of millions in tax deductions. In 2009, Bank of America qualified for a $1.9 billion tax benefit, and General Electric a $1.1 billion write-off.

US Uncut boasts “no central leadership,” and appears to be as organic as grassroots movements get. Gibson, 23, of Jacksonville, Mississippi, founded the first chapter. He works a few part-time jobs and confesses to having no prior experience in organizing or in politics. He was inspired by the vibrancy of UK Uncut, and spurred into action after reading an article in The Nation magazine about replicating such a movement in the US.

Is US Uncut a “liberal” or “progressive” movement? “Absolutely not,” Gibson said. “This is nonpartisan. We don’t endorse any specific political ideology or candidate or party.”

The movement will hold its first day of organizing on Saturday, February 26, with demonstrations mainly outside banks in 50 cities. It’s expecting crowds in the dozens in the smaller cities and hundreds in some bigger cities.

“This is our first national day of action,” Gibson said. “And all of us are coming together to say: before you take away housing subsidies, raise college tuition and fire teachers, just make sure that corporations are paying their fair share in taxes like the rest of us.”

The broader goal is to “reshape the national debate” and challenge the tea party’s narrative that “government can’t do good things for people, and that we can’t raise taxes, we can only cut.”

“Maybe there isn’t a spending problem. Maybe it’s a revenue problem,” Gibson said. “And it’s not that the money’s not there. The money is there. It’s with these corporations who aren’t paying taxes.”

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  • Anonymous

    Like this is going to happen, we’re Fascist.

  • Guest

    Sorry. I’m putting my cynicism on hold for now. What I feel because of this is a rarity: HOPE!

  • Anonymous

    Tax corporations and the rich

  • Anonymous

    The original Tea Party was against the transnational British East India Company proto-corporation
    because of their ability to shift taxes to the colonies. Today’s Tea Party are the stooges for their corporate and billionaire masters who want to steal worker’s wealth and plunder the treasury.

  • Anonymous

    “Maybe there isn’t a spending problem. Maybe it’s a revenue problem,” Gibson said. “And it’s not that the money’s not there. The money is there. It’s with these corporations who aren’t paying taxes.”

    No shit!

    I would also add taxing Hedge Fund owners who make billions yearly and pay absolutely nothing until some money is withdrawn and then pay a minimal tax on the withdrawals. I would also include the top 2 percent like Dick Cheney who as vice-president paid about 10 percent or $1.1 million dollars of income tax on income in excess of 10 million dollars.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    cut farm and oil subsidies as well…

  • http://twitter.com/Howieisright Howieisright

    Those corporations own to many pocket politicians to let this happen.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Indeed, which is why they are not the “tea party” nor are they any kind of party at all. They are the* tea baggers*, and they remain available at all times to gargle the scrotums of their corporate masters on demand.

  • Anonymous

    Small businesses and I mean genuinely small businesses – mom & pop shops, carry all of the burden of corporate taxation while the big boys pay almost nothing. Same deal with the middle/lower income classes. Yet, it’s those genuinely small businesses that are responsible for the lion’s share of employment in our country now, especially since all of our manufacturing was sent overseas.

    That’s why it kills me when I see small business owners blaming the Left for their high taxes…you freaking idiots, it’s not the Left that supports this skewed balance, it’s the Right. You’re not in their club, your business isn’t big enough and you can’t give them $50K in campaign contributions every year.

  • Anonymous

    Tea baggers aka Koch suckers will be brought in by bus with their signs saying :

    Ask not what you can do your country ask what you can do for Koch.

    Things go better with Koch.

    Turn your country over to Koch.

    Koch Lives!

    Jesus Christ you should be ashamed and ask for Koch’s forgiveness.

    We are all one in Koch’s ocean of piss.

    Help I’m Plastic

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I’m interested to see what happens. If they indeed, turn out large crowds, then, I’ll be hopeful that if they join with the workers, we could have the start of of something. Until then, I reserve judgment. And hope for change. Ha!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    And the church.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    It’s worth noting that only about 1/3 of corporations located in Wisconson pay taxes. And they were just awarded more tax breaks by Walker. Not to mention the recent Bushbama tax cuts for the rich on top of all that. But teachers are just ‘greedy, lazy bitches’…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    And cut Israel’s feeding tube.

  • gypski®

    Tax corporations at 90% based upon CEO/Board salaries and don’t let them off the hook. Pay back time has arrived.

  • Anonymous

    Click

    Somewhere a light switch just went on.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t just talk about it, let your voice be heard! It’s not enough to just bitch about things on the Internet. I’m going to be out protesting tomorrow…you should all join me! If no one stands up to this problem (as we have not been doing in my lifetime, at least), it will continue to get worse. American corporations benefit immensely from the protection, worker quality and security that America provides. It’s about time they started paying their fair share!

  • Anonymous

    OK.

  • Anonymous

    agreed.

  • Anonymous

    Since corporations are drafting legislation and employing the pigs who vote it into law, why would they pay taxes, care for the environment, or care if anyone is employed or earning a living wage?

  • Anonymous

    YES!

  • Anonymous

    We have to be there Johnny – something has to change – I will be there~

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD42K3ARU53PJTAZ3EFE5LRZMA nobanksnoborders

    People have the power.

  • Anonymous

    Not while we are pitted against ourselves, then our power is lost, vote republican, vote democrat and it’s the same old sh~t, war, union and wage busting, unlimited tax breaks for the uber rich, and as we squabble our so called barons and leaders are left to plunder.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you on the oil subsidies, and would be with you on the farm ones, as long as we make sure that it’s the CORPORATE farms that pay, not the family farms. The corporations don’t need our help, the family farmer does.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t wait, GO DO IT. It’s the constant waiting that is the problem. I’ll be at whatever protests there are in the Denver area tomorrow, with my video camera in hand. I’ll be watching for the righties to fuck things up and get them on camera if they do. DON’T WAIT, JUST GO AND BE INVOLVED.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Indeed, though some states have a total of 0 family farms now.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    See Egypt. There are more of us than there are of them.

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to defend and protect the ones we still have left.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg

    yes, but…family farms are few and far between and they get paid NOT to grow…

  • Anonymous

    Thank you so much for a lucid and historically correct comment. I stood face to face with tea baggers at one of their rallies trying to make the point that government is not the problem, it’s corporations that are the problem. They were rude and threatening. It was only the professionalism and attention of the local constabulary that kept them from physically ejecting me from their midst. They tried to shoulder me aside and kept up a continuous assault of ad hominem attacks and factless talking points. A salute to the policemen and firemen everywhere. They are true professionals and I will not stand idly by while the corporations try to turn them into their own local henchmen.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I would. Except I’m afraid of looking rather stupid, standing on a street corner with a sign while people drive/walk by figuring out what the hell kinda nut I am. Of course, I could always do a double sign that says “Tax the corporations” on one side and on the other “Get ready. Jesus is coming” and flip flop it accordingly. I could also put a hat on the side walk just in case somebody wants to drop a little something in it while I’m at it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    There where? I haven’t heard of any in my area.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NO4EXXA4CF5SCNMNNV4UX2WK6Y Scott

    And don’t forget to bring the Estate tax back into full swing, Tax capital gains at the same % as income from working(not the 15% max it is now), because we should respect working for a living at LEAST just as much as sitting on your ass waiting for the dividend check to arrive. Also make new brackets that go back to the days of 74-91% for the top marginal(starting somewhere in the 1-5 Million range).

    I’d like to go as far as suggesting a one time wealth tax on net worths over $1Billion to put a huge dent in the national debt as well as reducing some of the democracy threatening sizes of the fortunes out there… Do we need a dozen Koch brothers out there with 20-40 billion a piece subverting democracy? Call it the “National Debt reduction and Democracy protection act of 2011″ or something catchier.

  • Anonymous

    We should tax corporations twice. One: they PAY their corporate tax. Two: Since they are also “persons” they then file a 1040 and pay “personal” taxes, just like the rest of us “people.” If they bitch about being taxed twice, tell them to give up being two entities.

  • Anonymous

    And how about the filthy rich too?

  • Harry Tuttle

    This is THE issue. Wealthfare for corporations must end. Corporate paymasters usurp our government and kill democracy everyday. CLOSE ALL LOOPHOLES and make them PAY!

  • DesertSun59

    Too late. The Citizens United SCOTUS case, decided in Jan 2010 took care of this issue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

  • Eyeball_Kid

    It’s a remedy that’s too simple to be true. And it’s one that the corporate media wants to avoid at all costs. But what must happen is an upswelling of demand for changing corporate tax loopholes so that corporations pay what they’re supposed to pay. Eliminate the loopholes. Make ‘em pay.

  • Eyeball_Kid

    Capitalism has its limits. When people or corporations have tens of billions of dollars on hand to control policy and politicians, capitalism becomes a liability for government and its citizens. There is simply too much power give to the organizations that control all of that money. The only result is corruption. It’s a natural and logical end game that can only be halted by diminishing the power of the wealthy and redistributing wealth to the middle and working classes. That’s the truth of the matter that MUST enter into the public discourse, corporatist media bias notwithstanding.

  • Anonymous

    Around here (Boulder county, CO) there is very little unused land. The few family farms around here are hemmed in by developments, or open space, or any number of things that keep them from growing regardless of being paid not to.

    Either way, I’d still prefer to pay the family farmers to stay there and be stewards of the land, rather than pay the corporations to come in and destroy it for centuries to come.

  • Anonymous

    I almost want to agree with you. With all the megachurches and money going to gild-line the pockets of many non-oradained pastors. But many large and small churches provide so many services. To tax many of them would fore them to close their doors.

    A large church in NYC, Riverside provides an amazing array of community services to the homeless, children and families within and outside their community. It was the church of Pastor Emeritus James Forbes who continue to work on peace and social justice issues throughout the world. Black Churches are often the community center for spirituality and growth, from where communities are pulled back up. Our church spends countless hours delivering food to the hungry, working on community social justice issues, working to restore the integrity of a blighted local school by supporting the local teacher of the school. In small rural churches we have attended, while not agreeing with their more conservative theology, we found a strong community that helps take care of their elderly in so many ways, assist sick in their community, and provide housing for homeless.

    While I would have agreed with you on taxing the church years ago, and almost want to when I see large “souls saving” churches preaching the “prosperity gospel. It would destroy many small churches who still do good work, as well as eliminate much needed social programs that are funded by the church world service, Catholic Charities (who help released prisoners return to work and help women get out of prostitution.) Many programs would simply go unfunded.

    I think there may be a way to reclassify church funds, but that is a tricky and potential hot potato. Say, if your steeple is made of gold we will tax it, or if your megachurch does not give away greater than x% of it’s tithing to charity or work then you will be taxed. But that harkens to a difference in theology–where does theoretical salvation come from–work and deeds- or rote acceptance. Tricky indeed. I am not so much the blood salvation christ died for my sins kinda guy—thus it has been said i am not a christian. But I argue, my church is important because of the community. I am Christian because we are christian in our community, and we work daily to solve little problem inside and outside our community. Jesus was a political figure for me–who stood up against corruption and stood for the common people and the poor. For this I wish was the path our religious nation was on–but most of it is not. But I hold out hope that those seeking peace and justice, muslim, jewish, christian, buddhist.

  • Anonymous

    Dude, don’t worry about what people think. Anyone just driving by won’t know who you are (or much care), and those who DO know you are already convinced about you, I’m sure. Hell, this might even change their minds a bit. Might up their opinion of you.

    The hat idea works best if you have a harmonica or tap shoes on and can move your feet. When you entertain them, people can be generous. Otherwise, it’s just begging.

    I always liked the guys who were out on the street corner every day with the sing that says the world will end tomorrow. Year in and year out. One day they will be right…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I couldn’t agree more. That has been a long time argument of mine. We should take care of our own before we go taking care of others. Of course, back when I started that argument, I actually believed that we were helping. Today…well, not so much.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    It’s been a long… time… coming…… (CSNY).
    PLEASE let this happen. drain the Kochs, GE, etc. for all they’re taxingly worth. Pay their FAIR SHARE!!!!

  • Anonymous

    The problem with these “social services” churches provide is that the are not done for the sake of charity, but as an opportunity to proselytize and recruit. Angel Food Ministries is a good example.The ministry sells boxes of food claim that the products is the box will save 60% on comparable foods and are of restaurant quality. On the surface it appears to be a good deal, but if you actually price out the items in the boxes, it is clear, you do not save very much at all. plus the family that runs angel food, makes a huge amount of money from it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    “Anyone just driving by won’t know who you are (or much care)”

    Bingo!

    I’m sure I can summon a snake (from the local Baptist church), a basket and a flute to help. Or maybe, I’ll try a grinder monkey. One of those with a skirt or bellhop outfit on. I can use the change too.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    And as countries are reclaiming their artworks stolen by other nations’ museums, like UK and such, let them reclaim their pillaged art and treasure and restitution. The Church stole a LOT from the Maya, etc. during their great conquests.

  • Guest

    Hey, who needs the military complex to protect their ass, and property, and imperial transgressions in other countries, it isn’t Homer Simpson living on main st u.s.a., its Wall St, its big energy, its corporate america, and that makes up, what, 60 cents on the dollar of all taxes paid!!! And, who costs the country with the cost of pollution of its resources and health care, and infrastructure need to make all the necessary transportation for business work, you got it, its once again corporate america!!! Ah, but the rich want everyone else to pay for their tresspasses, for their mansions, sports cars, 3rd, 4th, and 5th homes, vacations, yachts, etc.!!! Enough of this BS, time to pay what you owe, all of it right now, assholes!!! The middle and lower class is your labor to become rich, and that’s fine, but not at the expense of becoming your fucking slaves! I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. – Unknown

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    And waiting for Grandma or Granpa billionaire to die so you just get the money dropped in your lap and as long as it doesn’t go to the cherished dog or cat.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Taxing the church would get rid of the scammers. With the money raised, the same services can be offered thru the government. Just think of how much can be collected off the televangelists alone. The ones that close down, oh, well, they can join another one. It’s not as if there’s a shortage of those these days. Besides, the services provided by those churches are always for parishioners. You will never see them reach out to help an Atheist or someone from another faith. They’re kind and loving that way.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You’re absolutely correct and said it much better that I did. I have become as intolerant of religion as intolerant as the religionists are of me.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Nationwide. We’ve got one coming to Sacto State Capitol tomorrow, check your area. I’ll be there!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The Catholic church pillaged everything in site wherever they set up shop. It’s time to disband those mobsters. Taxation would be a great way to do it too. Let Capitalism ring their doorbell for once.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3NVQSZZC5IM66JEOCSFJUV7FCE Jacques G

    Double as a Quisno’s or Subway street corner franchise advertiser!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I’m registered with every kind of “progressive,” social justice group there is out there and I haven’t heard anything. From any of those groups which is the reason why I’m certain it’s not happening in my area.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Yeah, but only if they pay me. :)

  • Anonymous

    As far as Angel Food Ministries. I went on their website, and printed out what the offered in their “easter” food box. They sell this box for $36.00 I went to Walmart, and I actually purchased the items in this food box for $28.75. helping people with food costs my ass. I did buy food boxes from angel food for about 4 months. the food they offer is just nasty and over processed. The produce boxes I purchased were way beyond their prime, most of it being unusable. The meat boxes are just as bad. the meat is over processed, and mostly in edible. You have to pick up your food at a local church, and as soon as you step inside, one volunteer after another approaches to proselytize, preach, pray for you and try to get you to come to their church.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone have a link of organizations in the Carolinas protesting? Can’t find anything via search.

  • http://twitter.com/honorablelordk Karim Walker

    There is strength in numbers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Lee-Brown/1522418996 Thomas Lee Brown

    My heroes.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    They are registered corporations with CEO’s, take in billions of money from who know who,not only proselytize the poor with ponzi schemes,but are propaganda machines promoting the far right agenda., involved in money laundering, have their own 777(god’s#) slot racket casinos,give free adds to right candidates, have wars waged to be able to take a spoil from the poor in foreign countries and are the ones putting the small churches under who can’t afford to buy a slot on the mogul media church airways. Although they do do their part to pay the prostitutes they are caught with. They have their own union and rake in $30 a month union dues which is used to recruit more union members to the Jeebus Union and meet at the Our Lady of Automatic Weapons Lodge to train their workers.

  • Anonymous

    I TOTALLY support this group, but,…um…couldn’t we come up with a better name than, “uncut?” The other side called themselves, “teabaggers” @ first until they realized what that meant.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t stop my Corporate Masters from getting thier billions of dollars.
    Don’t you know they are going to trickel it down on us………. Does anyone smell pee?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    In keeping with the latest bill naming convention, you’d have to call it the Tax Reduction Act for Rich People, so that the name of the bill was exactly opposite of it’s true aim. Of course, no one would read it, so . . . maybe we could get it by one of the ‘houses’ . . . . Xmas eve maybe.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, thank you for being on the front lines, speaking truth to power. Or, speaking truth to ignoramuses, in this case.

  • mick

    When will the revolution start ?
    Will it be televised ?
    Or will the corporations “blackout” the coverage ?
    And are these the same corporations that are paying the lobbyist to prevent oversight and regulation of there “corporations” ?

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone besides me remember the protests outside the Wall Street Bankers homes shortly after the bailout?
    I think the Tea Party was invented shortly thereafter to take the heat off the Billionaires and it worked.

  • Anonymous

    As Gabby Johnson would say, “Rabish!”

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    Legislated monopolistic advantages have been around since our beginnings, and were created, very simply, one bribe at a time. We are now seeing what happens when it becomes wholesale practice, and just lately, codified. As a part of the small business community, I share your outrage at the current state of things. I’d ask for a level playing field, but these guys don’t even need to play or compete. It’s all gone to shit. I really hope it all melts into the sea. I can learn to farm.

  • Anonymous

    It is remarkable how the Corporate Overlords have convinced the rabble to foment on their behalf. It’s kind of like if the chickens all wore Col. Sanders T-shirts and attacked the Vegans for being un-American.

  • Fedupin10

    Indeed, Capitalism is an economic model, not a form of government. If we are to have a Capitalistic economic model, it is government’s responsibility to regulate it.

    Capitalism is a great economic model as long as government levels the playing field, rather than picking the winners.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it’s really that tricky. Treat churches like any other non-profit (and excuse me if I misunderstand any issues as I’m not a lawyer),

    Exempt all income that is redirected to purely charitable endeavors.
    Hold up salaries and expenses to the same regulations as any real charity. (here’s where I’m on thin ice).
    I assume that there are guidelines in place for payroll and perk spending in charity, or am I incorrect?

    Maybe we make it as simple as stating the following…
    - Primary houses of worship are tax exempt (like primary residences can have their mortgage interest deducted for personal taxes).. Properties who only exist for charitable use (soup kitchens) are tax exempt.. extraneous properties (leader’s houses.. get away resorts..) are taxed.
    - Being a non-profit, churches are expected to operate at a 20% [or whatever] administrative overhead (staff supplies, and such). All income sent back out in purely charitable actions is tax exempt. Any administrative overhead over 20% of all income is taxed.
    No more televangelists making millions per year tax free.

  • Anonymous

    I guess ‘uncut’ meaning taxes uncut, but I see your point. They need a better name.

  • Anonymous

    The logic is so simple!

  • Fedupin10

    http://www.usuncut.org/

    Just stand there and someone will ask you what you’re doing.

    I’ll be in Madison

  • dula

    We need names of CEO’s and senior management who jump through hoops to avoid contributing to the nation that made them wealthy. Also, who are the wealthy who are hiding money in Swiss banks…wasn’t Wikileaks gonna name names? Let’s get moving on this!

  • Fedupin10
  • Anonymous

    Now, we can get “our” tories.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    Can we eat them first, and tax them on the way out ?

  • Anonymous

    We own a small business too, which is why I am so angry at the fools that fall for that right wing line about taxes and the “free market”. We haven’t had a free market in..well..we’ve never had one. It’s almost as if our anti-trust laws were repealed, except they weren’t. Who needs to repeal laws when nobody enforces them?

    We belong to a community garden and grow veggies on our small amount of land – I took out all grass and decorative perennials save some bee-friendly stuff. We grow food in containers on our roof, on trellises etc. Recently our city passed an ordinance allowing chicken keeping which I just may do this year. Once you get the hang of growing and preserving food, it saves you a lot of money.

  • Anonymous

    News Flash; NJ’s Gov. Christee is stealing NJians 2 year old Gift cards as unclaimed property, to pay down the budget, FOK you fatboy, that is our money. Gov. take a 30% pay cut for you and your Posse in Trenton and then call 1-800 Jenny and stay away from our gift cards, Mussolini.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Verite-Laide-lImbecile/100000472938032 Vérité Laide l’Imbécile

    Tax and Jail the Rich for 2012!

  • Anonymous

    Tax Wall street a Win Win Situation?

    Bills before Congress would create a speculation tax on financial transactions that could raise funds from the rich while deterring the harmful churning of stocks. Economist Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic Policy Research, discusses why we need a speculation tax.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGUGgIwnVPU

  • Anonymous

    Exactly! I totally get their meaning, but I think if you did a search for “uncut” you’d get some…interesting results! I’m afraid that this group, which is really doing a great thing, could be setting themselves up for right-wing mockery later on.

  • Harry Tuttle

    How about Apocalypse Now?

  • ladygeek

    Especially the Catholic Church who not only hoards wealth but also provides rental housing (at least in Minneapolis, MN) that is below housing specs. A friend of mine lived in one of their properties. Yes, it was cheap but there was no legal entrance. You had to climb up to her flat using a fire escape and come in through a window. And this was student housing at the University of Minnesota which was just off-campus in what is called “Dinkytown” (I don’t know how it got that name so don’t ask).

  • Anonymous

    Yup, not taxing them is effectively state-subsidized religion.

  • cannotvote

    If they don’t pay taxes then they can’t lobby! If they don’t pay taxes they can’t participate in the electoral process!
    if they don’t pay taxes they should lose their corporate rights and control should be seized by our government and all their assets taken from them. If they do business in the states they should pay taxes.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with you, sometimes I feel too cynical for my own good, but in this instance I’m putting it on hold now and hoping this movement goes somewhere.

  • Guest

    “Either we hang together or we hang separately.”
    -Benjamin Franklin

  • Guest

    It is DAMNED hard not to be cynical when your mind is open and awake and aware and all around you people are eating Cheetos, guzzling beer and farting CO2 from the couch while the country is being whisked away by Robber Barons and corrupt politicos, outragedevenmore. I hope this and a few other possible positives happening out there now leads you and me and others into building some hope for a change, eh?

  • Guest

    “And they were just awarded more tax breaks by Walker”

    and that is why the Wisconsin budget is in deficit. There’s your redistribution of wealth. Upwards. And the sad part is if the other 2/3 of the corporations paid there fair share of tax, this wouldn’t be an issue.

    The People have to understand that:
    • There is no Wealth created without Labor.
    • There is no more Labor creation without more Demand.
    • There is no Demand without Fair Wages.

    Remember the lessons of Parker Brothers Monopoly

  • WaStConcerned

    ….you seem to think corporations are persons with the right to vote…..WRONG!!!!!!

    They ALL SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS PROCESS – including lobbying and campaign contributions……..

  • Guest

    How about
    “Kochsuckers are sheeple too” (?)

  • Guest

    “mom & pop shops, carry all of the burden of corporate taxation while the big boys pay almost nothing”

    and it’s all by design. It stifles the minion class under the yoke of corporate tyranny, as it stagnates wages but ultimately and sadly stifles innovation. We can also thank the lack of single payer healthcare system for this brutal environment, as innovation becomes more difficult when a workforce is afraid to change jobs or is stuck in one they don’t necessary like. Welcome to America where we used to fix problems instead of create them. How else do you go from being the greatest creditor nation in the world to the worse debtor???

  • cannotvote

    No i don’t but they do! They contribute as the supreme court recently enabled them to – we are basically talking the same thing! Corporations are the active arm of the banks, think onion rings! The kOch brothers are an example of corporate wranglings – if you hadn’t been following the machinations in Wi., lately then I suggest you pay greater attention, please.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Catholic church is the worst offender. They’re the biggest thieves and exploiters not to mention that, when it comes to human rights abuses, they are bar none the worst in the world. As bad as that other quasi-church military installation known as Israel.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The poor. They always take from the poor and gullible. The dumbing down of Amerika has started in the church. They’re the first in the line of brainwashing and propaganda. Anybody that believes that shit, will believe anything else they’re fed afterward, no questions ask. And they all know it. The church provides the condition for a life of servitude.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Good job! You proved your point and mine. And I didn’t even go into the proselytizing part. I only went into their selfishness which, of course, they do to attract suckers for their ponzi scheme.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Thank you!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KNOIE3O32T6T3UBLZWRBA4L62Y Roberta

    And, while you’re at it, how about taxing churches and other religious organizations? They take advantage of public services. They should pay for their share.

  • Schmice

    I totally agree with you but I’ve got to tell you, the terms Nick and “uncut” in the same sentence make me want to cross my legs.

  • Anonymous

    You’ll get over that. And very soon … three … two … one …

  • risa bear

    “This is nonpartisan. We don’t endorse any specific political ideology or candidate or party.”

    Careful! When the Koch Brothers hear that, they come running to buy you… let’s be strong for once…

  • Anonymous

    If people turn out in big enough numbers that will move the focus in favor of the people. The numbers have to be big, millions, enough to make corporations pockets hurt. If organizing is good selective boycotting of corporations can work.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    It’s their stupid wars…it’s their security state and police…make them pay for it. Any corporation that evades taxes offshore should be made to pay or be banished from the USA. Globalism is a lie to force us to accept their looting of our country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FONW6K3ZWV4BU4ZTCDCSZHHH6E Mick Jagger

    Time to Walk Like An Egyptian. Just talking like one isn’t cutting it anymore.

  • Guest

    Hallelujah! I’m save-ed!!!

  • Guest

    Hey! Ta wanna pass that over here when you’re done bogarting?! (-:)

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if more people had read the Barlett and James books-”America, What Went Wrong” amd “America, Who Really Pays the Taxes”. we might not be where we are today. But it’s never too late. Find these books and read them and study them. These books are real eye-openers, and will help in this cause.

  • Anonymous

    HAHA! Very good! Can’t help it, though. That’s what my parents named me!

  • Anonymous

    time to put the brakes on the dismantling of the middle class whch bears the brunt of the tax burden.

  • ghostof911

    MoveOn has a search tool which turns up events within 200 miles of your zip code.

    http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?rc=rsad_bg_fdl&action_id=238

  • Anonymous

    Big Corporations pay less taxes than ever, some ridiculously low, lowest in history.
    I’m not talking about your neighborhood contractor, I’m talking about the Big Boys.
    They’re also sitting on more cash than any time in history, but they’re not hiring much which keeps the economy sluggish.
    Sluggish economy and no taxes coming in = no money for teachers, police, firefighters, schools and other services.
    It’s not a complicated story.
    It’s also not hard to figure out.
    Money does not simply evaporate, it goes somewhere and it ends up in somebody’s bank account.

  • Anonymous

    I wish it was that simple. Just tax the corporations that make money.

    Unfortunately it isn’t that simple. Tax US corporations more and the cost of the taxes has to be absorbed somewhere, and that is always higher cost of the corporations’ products.

    Like it or not we live in a global economy. Higher cost of US goods, both internally and at export, results in lowered sales, lower volume, loss of employment for those who make the goods, and relatively lower wages for those that remain. Which translates to a slower economy, lower property values, lower value of stocks -> lower value of employees’ pensions, on-and-on.

    Bad idea.

    Not to mention the fairness of it all. Taxes on corporations are double-taxation. The corporation gets taxed as an entity, and then the individual stock holders are taxed on the proceeds again. Double taxation is fundamentally wrong and has been religiously avoided in our tax laws with this one glaring exception.

    The idea of tightening up on corporate taxes is just plain wrong, from the above two principles.

  • Anonymous

    I’m going. I will get pictures up as soon as I get my “Kodak” film back. Be there or be square.

  • Anonymous

    No shit. Damn farmers that vote against their own interests.

  • Anonymous

    You mean the enima tube.

  • Anonymous

    Family farms let the capitalists come in and build them chicken coops at high interest rates, etc and basically rip them off for generations paying back the loans. Same as they do in South America. At election time the damn small farmers always put up great big fucking political signs for the tory-republicans; the ones that never support them. It’s all explained in the book, “What’s The Matter With Kansas.” Maybe they paid for planting these fucking signs.

  • Anonymous

    Tax Money , not people . Dollars , not population . It’s really not that hard to understand . The rich just love their tax-law confusions . Corporations are people too, they just can get around paying taxes . Alice would recognize this Wonderland .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JRBJ4PCICLE2LKWF2USZSQWGG4 Jim

    It’s kind of an inconvenient fact that the corporate tax rate in America is twice that of Europe and Japan.

  • Anonymous

    How did you know? I worked for the yellow box for 23 years; and then the handwriting was on the wall. Then I went to the semiconductor industry, which has now also gone overseas due to costs in the US. Want a fucking job?? Want a retirement?? Figure how to lower industry costs, not raise ‘em.

  • Anonymous

    I hope they are successful. Right now the government gets less than 10% of its income from corporate taxes.

    Payroll taxws and our income taxes make up 80+ % of the feds income

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

    This is wrong

  • Anonymous

    Sources please.

  • Anonymous

    Since, those outsourced manufacturing jobs that you speak of, pay just a few US dollars a day, if that, how do you propose that people here might live on such an income, if that is the prerequisite of having “a fucking job” in the US, with those “lower industry costs”.

    One way to lower industry costs, is to eat the rich mother f’rs, the CEOs, that horde their excessive profits from having shifted their assembly lines to slave labor markets.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, they are smart to keep focused on the principle. If people agree with the principle that corporations should pay taxes, relative to their proportional utilization of infrastructure, then I don’t care what they wish to call themselves.

    Screw party, and labels. Unify around principle. You can’t frame a principle.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and I hate it when they eat too much asparagus.

  • Anonymous

    I’m out on the streets tomorrow! Come join us!

  • Taleisin

    Who will pay the taxes when the middle class are gone?
    I am sure they have a plan and I am sure you are not going to like it.

  • Taleisin

    There is a reason their god ain’t short of cash.

  • Anonymous

    Recently, I’ve been learning about these “transitional communities”, and that has lifted my spirits somewhat. It is too easy to get caught up in everything that is wrong, not that it isn’t rational to feel that way. However, it is amazing how many people are just keeping focused on what positive acts can be taken locally, such as learning to grow your own food in an urban setting.

  • Taleisin

    I do like your honesty. However, as a wise old coot, I have found some of my best memories are when I made a complete fool of myself. I would prefer your sign say, “Look busy, Jesus is Coming.”

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Thanks for the link. Someone else provided me with one too that had it.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Oi! If you saw the kind of nuts that surround me, you’d understand the humor in that sign.

  • Taleisin

    There are some things you have to see to understand and I have no intention of visiting the USA.
    Once,yes but it is too crazy now. I dare you to go to Alabama and protest for gay rights. ;)

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XZOZFUWR3YKJ25ZUAQQZWO7R6I SR

    Taxes ensure that the poor, the middle class, and the rich pay proper tribute to the ultra rich.

    Most of the money raised will go directly into the pockets of debt owners. Enjoy, suckers!

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter what the theoretical corporate tax rate is if corporations are not paying any taxes at all. Exxon Mobile, BoA and others pay 0%.

    Now you please explain to me how 0% is twice that of Europe and Japan.

  • Anonymous

    You can go back to teabagging now.

  • Anonymous

    Corporations pay taxes? WTF??? BURN HIM!!!

  • Anonymous

    Foxnews and corporate funded think tanks no doubt.

  • Anonymous

    “Unfortunately it isn’t that simple. Tax US corporations more and the cost of the taxes has to be absorbed somewhere, and that is always higher cost of the corporations’ products. ”

    Bullshit. First of all this is not about taxing them MORE, it’s about making them pay the taxes they ALREADY owe but are evading. Secondly, corporations are not entitled to an obscene level of profitability. They will just have to live with more reasonable profitability.

    “Like it or not we live in a global economy. Higher cost of US goods, both internally and at export, results in lowered sales, lower volume, loss of employment for those who make the goods, and relatively lower wages for those that remain. ”

    Bullshit again. Many of them have have already fled the US economy to the fullest extent possible. They’re already making their products in low-wage hellholes and just selling them here, at the maximum price US consumers will bear. If we make the tax dodgers among them pay their taxes, nothing will change because raising prices would make them uncompetitive against those corporations that ARE paying their taxes here already and put them out of businesses.

    If BofA or Exxon-Mobile want to leave the US market to their competitors because taxes here are too high for the poor crybabies, fine! Good riddance.

    “Not to mention the fairness of it all. Taxes on corporations are double-taxation. ”

    Ah yes that damn double taxation. You mean like ordinary citizens being taxed on their income and then being taxed again on the remainder with sales taxes? Funny how you ‘baggers only discover your outrage over “double taxation” when your plutocrat friends are asked to pay their fair share.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM54MKJEKQEP6GMWROBABKCTOI Larry M

    In this age the cynics are prophets. Our political system is selfish to point of the deaths of thousands, millions foreclosed on, millions out of work and many just outright hungry. These 2 parties and the Supreme Court itself have greased the way for the fascist takeover of the U.S. But the game of left and right keeps people blinded. Our democracy has become a kleptocracy even now.

  • Anonymous

    It is simple really, we implement a 12.5% tax on corporations with no deductions, no accounting sleight-of-hand. Instead of the 35% tax rate we currently have – with loopholes and tax shelters that allow the average corporation to pay next to nothing. We could claim one of the lowest tax rates in the world (even below that of The EU), boost revenue, and shut The Right up about how corporations pay too high a tax rate compared to the rest of the world.

    Incidentally, retailers do pay around the 35% according to the Wal-Mart 2009 filings. They operate in a low margin business.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FPBFO6RC5R2HHIP3VXSFU2RZQA mjj

    Of course they don’t pay taxes. The american people have been brainwashed into believing we are a democratic and free country that values competition and free trade. Anything but is the truth . These big corporations have handed politicians large sums of money which influence how they vote on issues that affect these corporations. The big corporations have made sure the mom and pops cannot possibley get a foothold and compete with them and have made sure they won’t be taxed. Like the late George Carlin said “they own you”. We need to start taxing them and if they move they move. We also need to start protecting and encouraging our own manufacturing which we have outsourced in such industries like clothing, shoes, electronics etc. The US should draw a line in the sand and say either if you want to sell in our country you must produce at least 20% of the market sold here or say that 20% of our market is ours and we will make sure it remains here. This is the only way to turn our economy around. Obviously making money available doesn’t work. When you are a business and you can borrow at 1% and aren’t that tells you something. DEMAND comes first and there isn’t any.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FPBFO6RC5R2HHIP3VXSFU2RZQA mjj

    One more thing on this issue. When a business comes into a community I know for a fact they give tax breaks etc to corporations for locating in their community. However in return for the tax breaks their is an agreement that usually deals with wages and benefits. The US should also look into this arangement on a national level. If a corporation is benefitting greatly on taxes they should be paying wages at least twice the poverty level and providing benefits like health care and retirement. If not tax them like an ordinary worker. I think I might have just solved the issue of getting health care for all workers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WYQJ2GFKZTDWDEVC4SXH4BDUE abv

    The people from Wisconsin should be demanding the same. If you look at the Wisconsin state budget:
    http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/pdf_files/bib.pdf
    Page 30: Corporate taxes account for 7% of revenues, while income tax accounts for 50%. Wanna bet that corporations doing business in Wisconsin earn more than those people, paying 50% of the budget?

    Also, expenditures are high because “public services” are bought from private cartels, like health care is bought from the pharma/HMO cartel at the world’s highest prices. Nowhere in the world is medicine and hospital care so expensive. Just set price caps, tax corporations like you tax regular people, and watch the deficit turn into a surplus.

  • Anonymous

    Right EFFIN on!

  • Anonymous

    TAX THE RICH

  • Anonymous

    Source for Richie73: “And now it’s gotten to the point where the middle class is being sacrificed on the altar of deficit reduction, while big corporations are getting away with not paying any taxes at all.” –See above article.

    Actually it doesn’t really matter which big corps. are not paying, fact is middle and lower class are paying for the big rich greedy grimy bullies. Source: Common Sense Deduction

    And gasm, whose side are you on anyway?

  • Anonymous

    “Tax US corporations more and the cost of the taxes has to be absorbed somewhere, and that is always higher cost of the corporations’ products.”

    Are you one of the “new” Air Force bots?

    Question to you… Mr. Bot? How come super mega rich corporations and billionaires and quillionaires need to make so much profit at the expense of everyone and everything else, including the environment, our children’s futures, etc.?

    What a crock – “…the fairness of it all. Taxes on corporations are double-taxation..”

    Why don’t you defend those who need defending instead? Unless you are simply defending your overlords…

  • Anonymous

    “Mama don’t take my Kodachrome away”……… Paul Simon

  • Anonymous

    They need to pay taxes on their profits. If they spend all the profits on charity, no taxes, no problem. But profits need to be taxed fairly among all people, businesses, corporations, and yes, churches. Also, cap gains is unfair. Also, selling a house for profit should be taxed. No more tax shelters, everybody pitch in!

  • Anonymous

    Good point, but if I may, I would go with the Present Progressive, “It is working” instead of the Past Simple, “It worked”, in other words, “it ain’t finished till the fat lady sings” or “action and stupidity still in progress”.

  • Anonymous

    There should be a brain washing tax and a child abuse tax.

  • Anonymous

    “Read my Lips” Tax the MoFos! Save Wisconsin! Stop the dominoes! Push the debate, thank you Carl Gibson! Power of Youth! (youth has no age) Rekindling an Idea that has been brainwashed into oblivion. High Time to get it out! FU Scott WaNker you Dim Witted fuzzy math farting Pawn!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EMLFKLALZHF7EBYUQXHUHQOATQ Tony

    Many people believe that the income tax is necessary in order for government to function. This could not be further from the truth. Not a single dollar that the IRS collects from income tax actually goes to a service provided by the government.

    All of the money collected goes to paying off the interest alone for the national debt (which is mostly created by the Federal Reserve.) It does not go to our schools or our roads. Those are funded through our direct taxes and indirect taxes such as property tax, tobacco, and gasoline.

    Don’t forget, income tax was established in 1913. Government clearly functioned before 1913 without an income tax. There is no law requiring a citizen to pay an income tax.

    The income tax system exists is to keep a dossier on all citizens and redistribute wealth.

  • Jaimie11

    “redistribute wealth” yes, redistribute wealth from the bottom up – and it has worked very well, as we see today.

    As for “income tax”, I believe that income tax is legal under the Constitution – it is the definition of “income” that was changed by the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Prior to that income was defined as profit – that is if I bought property, sold it you for more than I purchased it for, I paid tax on the profit. Fair exchanges such as labor for money were never defined as profit, as income. 1913′s events changed that in the favor of the banksters.

  • Anonymous

    There is no Hope Fairy, People. Hope is manufactured by people who get up off the couch and make it happen. That’s US! Join the movement, contribute to it if you can’t join – a dollar or $.50 if that is all you can afford. Go to rallies if you can. Call or email the White House, your congressmen in Washington and legistators in your state capital. Make your voices heard instead of sitting back and watching other people do the job for you. Get angry and say you are not going to let the Robber Barons steal our democracy. Leave your guns at home but you can bring the Cheetos and beer. We would also appreciate it if you did not fart your CO2 in the middle of the crowd.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Zentrails/100001475536421 Bob Zentrails

    Something has got to give. These corporations who are not paying any taxes are often giving money to politicians so that they can continue not paying taxes and many times abusing their workers and polluting the environment.

    Something has got to give, because world population continues to grow. The rule of 72 makes that clear. We have to make the corporation give, literally, or we’re in big trouble just a few years down the road.

    I think we’ve already reached peak oil, just when the two largest countries on earth are increasing their fuel demands considerably. Even if we find vast new oil fields somewhere, shortage of refineries will make that a moot point.

    Nothing less than the survival of the planet is at stake here.

  • Anonymous

    Now, now. That doesn’t make him a sinner. We’ll find some other reason to call him that, then we’ll burn him.

  • Anonymous

    But it’s cold outside, and the Saturday morning cartoons are on.

  • Anonymous

    “Johnny Warbucks Yesterday 01:15 PM in reply to cowboymiketex

    You’re absolutely correct and said it much better that I did. I have become as intolerant of religion as intolerant as the religionists are of me. ”

    You must be thrilled that your tax dollars go to fund the Faith Based Inititive.

  • mary lacewing

    Don’t forget the bonuses. Their bonuses are usually far higher than their salaries up at the top.

  • Anonymous

    I really hate to tell you but all of those things you’ve mentioned that we should be doing haven’t worked to date. I’ve gone to rallys in DC many times and they are largely ignored, contacting my rep is a joke – form letters for all in return. Make my voice heard – it’s a joke, those bastards AREN’T listening. I’ve been doing all of that crap since the 60s and voila, here we are.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KSIB2PGTAXFCPCMQ74NRZ4UUJM Beerman

    Support UNCUT they are awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Powell-Gammill/500083817 Powell Gammill

    Ridiculous! By definition, no business anywhere in the world pays taxes . . . unless it is going out of business. 100% of all taxes no matter how high they are set are passed on to the consumers (that is you and your wallets) in that company’s prices on products. ALL. They have to be. In effect those who advocate taxes on business are simply taxing themselves further on the things they buy.and allowing the governments yet one more method they use to conceal from the workers just how much of their labor (earnings) they are stealing from them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7Y77MFIPRIRTA6LYW5YJYKUHXY shinydoug

    Overdue for far too long. It’s clear that the austerity psychosis is purely bullshit because Obama gave a huge taxcut to rich folks in December, but then turns around and tells the states and citizens that they will have to bear the brunt of the budget shortfall that was created by bailing out Wall St repeated after Oct. 2008.
    Tax corporations Tax the Rich
    Tax Charlie Koch that son of a bitch!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You are a very wise and lucky man, my friend, that you do not have to come into this sewer of inequity. Take a look at this so you can see how low this country has fallen:

    “Christian medical plans get pass from health law”

    http://tinyurl.com/4a8rkhe

    Keep in mind, they put Bernie Made-off in jail for eternity for doing the same thing. Unluckily for him, he picked the wrong religious persuasion to scam.

  • Anonymous

    How nice of churches to help the helpless, by meeting their physical needs, but I think along with the generosity comes a tacit expectation, for those so served, to respond by buying into the churches’ “God” message. Along with the bowl of gruel a lesson could be served about the social responsibilities of being a citizen of a free(?) country rather than being brainwashed into believing that an amorphous phantom will magically save them. The helpless could be taught about the practical realities of life like what causes poverity & how citizens can exercise their rights to improve their condition. (Such as the demonstrations taking place now all over our country). Of course this approach might necessitate re-education of church leaders who evidently missed their civics lessons & turned to magic for themselves. It must be an ego-tripping feel good experience for church leaders & their parishioners to help those less fortunate but does their approach do anything to improve the system that causes the problem? Churches need to get off their high & come up with practical solutions rather than peprpetuating our evil system. Of course they will not preach political reality from the pulpit for fear of losing their tax-exempt status. They wouldn’t dare preach what Jesus would say today! I believe the government could (& does) serve the same purpose with greater efficiency& better oversight. It’s too bad that we have been taught that government has to be “bad ” & can do nothing right yet churches somehow get labelled as “good”. I think the corruption & greed that cause government to go bad also exist in the religious community. Take the Holy Roman Empire Catholic Church for instance. They are responsible for executing & permitting one of the most evil acts of humanity, sexual child abuse, yet that’s “good”? & as wealthy as they are they pay no taxes. Tax the churches & maybe they will start preaching real Christianity.

  • Anonymous

    Go back to where you came from teabagger.

    When new tax loopholes are put in place for already profitable corporations, do consumer prices go down? Is Exxon-Mobile which pays a tax rate of ZERO selling gas for cheaper than the competition? Is BofA which pays a tax rate of ZERO offering better financial deals to consumers than other banks or credit unions?

    They don’t, of course, because when we give profitable corporations undeserved tax breaks, they simple pocket the profits. They don’t pass the savings on to us, the consumers, ever.

    If we insist that they pay their taxes, that money will come out of the undeserved profits they’re making. They can’t pass it on to consumers because that would put them out of business. Instead of making a killing, they’ll have to be content just making a living.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, don’t you know about all the RISK that those CEO’s & bosses take on??? That’s why they deserve all the profits. You scumbag workers don’t have risk. Those of you who never know if your job is going to be outsourced or downsized, or whatever new word business comes up with, don’t count. You never know if you are going to lose your house or cannot afford next semesters tuition or that operation you need. You call that RISK? It’s not called RISK in your case, it’s called a gamble. Didn’t you learn in church it’s evil to gamble? Why didn’t you take a job with a company that cares about its’ workers? (Maybe unionized). You made a stupid move so you deserve to suffer. It’s all about POWER, isn’t it? POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!! Pay attention to what’s going on now!!! Quit watching sports & sex & watch MSNBC (Mon-Fri). It’s your turn to use your power.

  • Anonymous

    Very well analyzed. The TeaBots always act like mega-corporations are ENTITLED to an obscene level of profits. Crybaby Exxon-Mobile is entitled to its 20 billion profits per year! A mere 10 billion profits wouldn’t be enough!

    Bullshit of course. Corporations are constrained in how much they can charge by competition. As long as there is some competition left, they simply can’t pass on taxes they have to pay because it will make them uncompetitive and put them out of business.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how the TeaBots in this thread keep saying that we can’t make corporations pay their taxes because they’ll just pass it back on to us in the form of higher prices.

    The simple thought that mabye those taxes can,should and will come out of those outrageous corporate profits never seems to occur to them. There is a fantastic sense of entitlement in the corporate fascist right and their braindead defenders.

    The fact is, as long as there is some competition left in a sector, corporations can’t just arbitrarily raise prices. It will make them uncompetitive and put them out of business. If BofA for example was forced to pay its taxes and tried to pass them on to consumers in the form of higher fees, even more people would just leave and go to credit unions.

  • Anonymous

    It especially won’t happen if “we the people” just roll over, say nothing and concede….like Harry Reid and President Obama are doing….stand with the workers of Wisconsin…fight back…!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    The problem Dear Powell is that large multinational corporations are NOT passing those “tax savings” on to the consumer via lower prices. No my friend they are passing those “tax savings” onto their owners via PROFITs!

    Corporate tax loop holes distort the market pricing mechanisms because not ALL corporations are able to take advantage of the various loop holes in an EQUAL manner. The result is a clear list of winners and losers.

    Further corporate tax loop holes tilt the playing field severely in the direction of LARGE corporations who can structure or re-structure their operations to maximize the loop holes while small and even medium sized corporations within the same market CANNOT therefore the consumer actually ends paying MORE as the corporation who IS taking advantage of the loop holes is NOT forced to lower their prices by competition from the smaller firms.

    Lastly we private citizens have been SOLD these tax breaks under the guise of employment. Many studies over the past 20 years have destroyed that myth clearly showing that large corporations who are the beneficiaries of a majority of the tax breaks have NOT provided net job creation and or wage growth.

    To summarize “we the people” are picking up the tax burden for large corporations who have NEITHER provided MORE jobs or HIGHER wages even though they have been given a tax “hall pass”. Even Bernie Madoff knows that’s a bad investment!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    Or better yet WHY should consumers NOT pay for the true cost of production or service?

    Should we support products made via slave wages?

    Should we support products whos production polluted our planet?

    Why should TAX payers subsidize ANY product in a FREE MARKET system?

    Isn’t one of the principles of the Free Market that ALL firms compete on a level playing field?

    The sad thruth about today’s global economy is that multinational monoplies have rigged the system in their favor and the concept of competition is religated to how big the corporate bonuses can be.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    So where did the govt. get their money prior to the income tax??????

    Oh yeah it was through excise taxes and tariffs which raised the price of goods to good ole you and me regardless of our ability to pay!

    Additionally if Congress would balance the books the Fed would not have to print money and the national debt would begin to shrink and disappear entirely in 30 years!

    Kinda like where we were in 2000 before W (the worst President in History) took office with the E N T I R E National debt projected to be paid off by 2009….yep that’s right the whole thing PAID OFF. Don’t believe me go back to the Congressional testimony regarding the Bush tax-give-away and you will see even Sir Alan Greenspan said that was likely to be the case!

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Stumptownhero

    That would be the reverse of one of my favorite scenes from the “Kentucky Fried Movie” where Johnny Thrill Seeker dressed like Evel Knievel including motorcycle helmet walks up to group of young Black men playing a game of back ally craps and yells the N word at the top of his lungs and then takes off running.

    In Alabama you would go to a Repugnant precinct meeting and yell that Jefferson Davis & Ronnie Raygun were both closeted gay men. Better make sure you left the engine of your car running and have a full tank of gas!

  • Guest

    Scumbags of the world, UNITE!

  • Anonymous

    According to the Supreme Court, Corporations are “people” with all the same rights. Well, it’s time they had the same responsibilities. I pay taxes and so should they. I can’t pollute my local water supply or foul the air and neither should they. There are more then a dozen things corps get away with that a person would face criminal penalities for. If the Court says they are a “person” than it’s time to treat them like one.

  • Anonymous

    I believe all Americans are really mad at the Corporations and their anger was diverted by the right wing to attack the President. Since then the corporations have sponsored hate mongers to pit one against another. This must stop as we all know who caused the problems.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    Taxes are rarely passed on to the consumer because companies NEVER set prices to compensate for costs. They ALWAYS set prices to maximize profit. You’ve been fooled for a very long time. Try to think for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    If you want them to pay taxes , recruit a candidate to run against Obama in the 2012 primary election.
    Obama certainly is not going to.
    Obama, said the United States could not afford to extend Bush-era tax cuts for the rich and accused Republicans of being fiscally irresponsible, yet Obama passed it
    Obama tells Americans how they have to pay their share and than he extends the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent ,, plus other cuts in their taxes.

    Start paying back the $2.5 trillion dollars to the Social Security fund which Bush took.. Start taking it from the MILITARY’s 54 percent of our national budget.

    Take the tax money which is now going the these criminal foreign war contractors and mercenary army like Halliburton and Blackwater and give it to the public programs.

  • Anonymous

    I apologize for an error above- the authors are Barlett and James Steele. They are they best. Check out some of their articles.

  • Anonymous

    These authors indeed have come up with real solutions to the tax problem–but the tax code needs to be revised and all the tax loopholes need to be eliminated. Whoever will pay the taxes, it should be fair and equitable. For example-many years ago, the Alternative Minimum Tax was added to the tas code. This was done originally for 87-yes, I said 87 super rich taxpayers-but guess what? the super rich get all kinds of tax breaks and who winds up paying this heavy burden that to this day, congress will not eliminate? People who earn $100,000 and even less. Another middle class tax burden for which they have no “loopholes” to get out of. Read their books. Read their articles. they are online. We need to wake up to what is happening here. We have slept long enough.

  • Anonymous

    More than ONE TRILLION DOLLARS -the cost of both wars so far. Are we crazy?

  • Taleisin

    I haven’t seen the movie. But I will have a look for it now. An Australian band called Crowded House was down that way a few years again and as a joke, the drummer mentioned that Ronnie and Nancy ‘do it’. They were run out of town and their tour bus was damaged by the crows as they left. ‘The South’ sure sounds like a funny place.

  • Taleisin

    What an idea! This might look like a scam but it has god’s backing. Can’t go wrong there.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I’ve always thought that insurance is a definite show of lack of faith on one’s god. With such a powerful force having your back, why would you need insurance? That sort of thing must be very offensive to god.

  • Taleisin

    See, as much as what you say, seems funny to any sane person……
    The really freaky thing about the American Christian, is their ability to know god’s will through prayer and their profound belief that whatever thought popped into their head is true.
    W was told by god to kill lots of Iraqis. And no one called the ambulance for him. WTF?

    It would not surprise me if a good christian paying into this insurance company would be told, “I have prayed for you. But god has told me, you’re supposed to die. So we will not be paying your insurance.” Who argues against this kind of delusion in America? No one. Forget death panels. The potential here to let people die for god and money is pretty high. Can you imagine this kind of insurance policy in other western countries?

    The 7 day adventists will not take blood products. I wonder what sort of cover age they get?
    Crazy!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The interesting thing about the god of the Amerikans is that he hates the same thing his followers do. :)

    Don’t put it past them. Some of the biggest Ponzi scams in this country have been perpetrated on the morons under the guise of religion. If you want to see the extent of what you’re wondering all in one place, go to here and spend 5 minutes reading your comments. Not only will you be horrified but you will scratch your head and wonder exactly the same thing I wonder every day: are these really the citizens of the biggest superpower in the world and how did they ever get there? In their defense, do remember that they take large amounts of fluoride in their water which has been proven to lower their IQs.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_ashcroft_lawsuit

  • Taleisin

    Can you give me an outline of Bernie Made-of?

  • Johnny Warbucks
  • http://www.rawstory.com/ hounddogg
  • Taleisin

    Thanks. There are often references to him in comments so I guessed it was something like that.
    Amazing. And he went to jail. See the system failed him. lol
    (Gotta crash).

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Oh, no, no, mate, the system did not fail. On the contrary, the fact that he went to jail is proof of the power of the system.

    AMY GOODMAN: You suggest in your piece that Bernie Madoff went to jail because it was rich people who were the victims.

    MATT TAIBBI: Absolutely. Every single former investigator or current investigator that I talked to said the same thing: Madoff went to jail because the wrong people suffered. You know, it was famous actors. It was, you know, the glitterati in New York. If these were teachers and firemen and all the usual suspects—you know, look at the—we have a million people in foreclosure in this country right now, and a lot of them are there because of predatory lending and because of this fraud scheme, but there are no criminal prosecutions. I think that’s the reality now, is that we don’t see anybody being criminally targeted unless their victims were powerful people themselves.

    We have two-and-a-half million people in jail this country, you know, more than a million who are in jail for nonviolent crimes. And yet, we couldn’t find a single person on Wall Street to do even a day in jail for losing 40 percent of the world’s wealth in a criminal fraud scheme? And that tells you that we have—this goes beyond the cliché that rich people have better lawyers and they have an advantage. This is a step beyond that. This is a situation where the system is completely corrupted, and it’s true regulatory capture. The SEC and the Justice Department are essentially subsidiaries of Wall Street.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/22/matt_taibbi_why_isnt_wall_street

    Also understand that the people he took for a ride were all Chosen People™ but it is taboo to mention that unless one wishes to unleash the wrath of accusations of anti-semitism™

  • Taleisin

    So he ripped of the ‘wrong’ people. It all becomes clear.
    I like your little TM. Very funny. No wonder Amerikans get upset with you.

  • Taleisin

    I was a good little protestant boy in a church that had broken from the Baptists in a country town in Australia. Billy Graham was a name spoken with awe. Even though, it was very mild compared to today’s churches, I can see how the American church has evolved into it’s present form. Christianity is a money maker and the US loves money. Potent combination.

    They have been unable to accept the universal god of Jesus, because it doesn’t fit with exceptionalism. So they chose the exclusive god of Abraham. This need to believe they are the lost 10 tribes of Israel so their jewish-only god will let them into fairy heaven can only lead to devastation.

    We can only play make-believe for so long. Reality has a way of smashing through deluded consciousness. That is it’s nature. The greater the conscious resistance to the call of reality, the more intense the madness. This is true of individual consciousness and national consciousness. Americans speak of ‘truth’ as though it were some unobtainable ideal, like ‘equality for all men’. One day it will come knocking with the Sheriffs department and then the shit will hit the fan.

  • http://twitter.com/eliminatecit EliminateCIT

    Most papers, research and professors will tell you that the corporate income tax is a direct tax on labor and customers. Sure the CIT began 150 years ago when a dozen Americans owned most of corporate America. But today, a school teacher in Colorado has 5 times the direct exposure to the S&P500 than a wealthy American does. So not only is the CIT exporting jobs, lowering wages and raising prices, but it is also putting undue pressure on the funding levels of our nation’s defined benefit pension plans. So if you really want to get America back on track, eliminate the CIT. http://www.EliminateCorporateIncomeTax.com

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The greater the conscious resistance to the call of reality, the more intense the madness.

    Well, that certainly explains/describes the USA circa 2011. They USAns are about to have one helluva rude awakening. I would not wanna be them. Amerikans speak of “truth,” “THRUTH,” “Truth,” “trhuth” and any other possible combination thereof. They ain’t the smartest lot. :)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    There was a lot of speculation surrounding his conviction. The guy didn’t fight, he just went down. No trial, no fuzz. That was very suspicious in and by itself. These types fight with tooth and nail and make a circus out of the legal process. At the end, they always get off. But this guy didn’t do that, he just went away quietly thus giving rise to all kinds of theories from his being in bed with the Mafia to connections with Tel Aviv. To make matters worse, his son “committed suicide” 2 years after his conviction. Strange indeed. As of late, there have been allegations that he was in it with Chase Morgan. Imagine that! Such pillar of honesty and goodwill towards men. In fact, there were two interesting articles on the corporate media about him today, well worth a read so you can see how these minds work. Again, he continues pointing to Chase as a co-conspirator. Maybe now that he’s son is gone (perhaps protecting his family was the reason why he folded so easily), he’ll let the cat out of the bag and we’ll be treated to another freak show of sorts just to take the mind away from all the horrors being perpetrated on us:

    Madoff to NY magazine: Government a Ponzi scheme

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110228/ap_on_re_us/us_madoff_scandal#mwpphu-post-form

    Bernie Madoff says hiding his scam was a ‘nightmare,’ calls victims ‘greedy’: ‘I am a good person’

    http://tinyurl.com/45lb3qe

  • Taleisin

    Mental health is a serious issue. It is the main reason I come to these pages.
    There was a song about 9/11 where the singer sings, ‘One day we will walk hand in hand with truth.’
    What??? Do it now. Don’t wait until ‘one day’. Have a think about it, NOW. Today. Get it sorted,sunshine. Wake up.

    Johnny, you live with people who are convinced they can live in a dream world, and wake up just in time to save themselves….., but not yet.
    Trouble is, the longer they wait to be honest with themselves, the more terrifying a monster reality becomes, as it grows under their bed each night every night. Crazy!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    USans will fight to the death for their right to be lied to. Here’s a piece I read today somewhat on the subject, very telling:

    http://original.antiwar.com/nkramer/2011/02/27/the-immorality-of-empire/

    Ignorance is, indeed, bliss.

  • Taleisin

    Thanks for the link. When I worked for a french multi-national, it was the same. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. I couldn’t, so I don’t work there anymore.

  • Taleisin

    If you want to go head hunting, I suggest you look at the reply under my posting to you on Al J. Have fun. :)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Not to worry, mate. I got a one-man war going over there. I’ve been at it since last night.

    They’re flag-waving idiots, hardly a match for me. ;)

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