Plot to spy on Chamber critics prompts Democratic call for congressional probe

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:10 EDT
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Will congressional Republicans investigate their allies at the Chamber of Commerce over an alleged plot to spy on and discredit their most effective critics in the media?

Probably not, but that won’t stop at least one group of House Democrats from mounting a very public call for inquiry.

In a letter provided in advance to The Washington Post, a group of Democratic lawmakers expressed concern that anti-terror tactics had been adopted for use against Americans by the private sector. The letter was authored by Rep. Hank Johnson and more than a dozen others, the Post noted.

The plan, which called for drawing up detailed social networks of progressive critics and sought to launch malware hacks against progressive organizations, was ostensibly created by data security firm HBGary Federal.

It was revealed when protest group “Anonymous” compromised the company’s network and dumped tens of thousands of their emails onto the public Internet.

Amid the emails, details began to emerge about a shadowy world of defense contractors, where social media could be used to manipulate public opinion and bloggers are handled as mortal enemies.

HBGary Federal was just one group allegedly at work on projects related to these efforts. Together with Berico Technologies and Palantir Technologies, the entire group was called “Team Themis.” They were compiling the plans as something of a sales pitch for the Chamber’s law firm, Hunton & William.

The Chamber has since denied any knowledge of their proposals.

For years, the Chamber has been the largest spender in the nation on Washington, DC lobbyists, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

HBGary was also recently revealed as one of the groups advising Bank of America on a plan to counterattack secrets outlet WikiLeaks, which claimed it was holding data that would expose corruption at the bank.

With additional material by Sahil Kapur.

Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster is the senior editor of Raw Story, and is based out of Austin, Texas. He previously worked as the associate editor of The Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, where he covered state politics and the peace movement’s resurgence at the start of the Iraq war. Webster has also contributed to publications such as True/Slant, Austin Monthly, The Dallas Business Journal, The Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Weekly, The News Connection and others. Follow him on Twitter at @StephenCWebster.
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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SHXBD7A4SZTHOYA6HLWMSZUR7M Harry

    Republicans (or for that matter Democrats) bite the hand that feeds them? Don’t hold your breath.

    It’s more likely that the Republicans launch an investigation into those evildoers at Anonymous.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Won’t be long till they start hiring Blackwater to take out their opponents, Mossad style.

  • enorceht

    “Will congressional Republicans investigate … the Chamber of Commerce …”

    you may say “Probably not”

    but then again the repugs may just set up a group to do an investigation and the group will find that the CoC did nothing wrong … election year coming up

  • Anonymous

    Take ‘em all down, whatever it takes….

  • gypski®

    The Chamber is part of the fascist plot to overthrow our democratic form of government. DOJ should be hauling in all kinds of rat bastards from the ranks of the GOP and a few traitor Dems too.

  • fairiedust

    The Chamber is a domestic terror group and should be dealt with accordingly.

  • Anonymous

    The prowess of capitalism is the greatest myth in human history. Humanity has to trump everything else. First do no harm.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Simple… beautiful… easy.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe any DC dems are actually standing up about anything…

  • Anonymous

    So you say nothing happens if you don’t get involved? The day after that news breaking I called my Congressman and my 2 Senators and requested an investigation and all 3 knew nothing about what the Chamber was doing because they hadn’t received phone calls from ANY of you.

    The crooked Republicans are in charge and if you , in those Republican districts, don’t call, nothing will happen!

    Anyone who doesn’t call their representative is a FKN LOSER!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you, absolutely, right on!! BUT, just one little thang, the Democrats are chicken shits, and the DOJ will do NOTHING. Millions spent on investigating. A chicken shit DOJ. And, no media. Yup, that pretty much leads to no where.

  • Anonymous

    One must wonder….why in the hell are they in politics?

  • Anonymous

    Hot news, eh? How’s about a tip of the old sombrero to the BradBlog, where I read all about it yesterday???

  • Anonymous

    Agreed… the next call should be to the Obama because the Justice Department or FBI won’t do a GD thing unless they’re told to by our current Republican President.

  • Anonymous

    When the people are finished with Wisconsin they need to march to DC, snag Holder, Thomas, Scalia, and Roberts.

  • Anonymous

    I did a presentation on it on Thursday, as well as Barr/HBGary, same night as Colbert’s anonymous fun.

    thinkprogress broke this, I believe.

  • Anonymous

    Roberts 1st, and the rest will fall… but the OHIO statehouse is the next one the People have to defend against.

  • Anonymous

    Nixon all over. Let’s not punish him let the country heal? How about an all out assault on the American way of life. They are jealous of what we have(which isn’t much after their manipulations of our money,enron s&l madoff etc…), that we can actually sit next to them once in a great while. They are better than us, ask them, they’re also arrogant. So, why couldn’t they spy on us if they want. they do anything they want and have the SCOTUS behind them. {Justice Thomas= Uncle TOM? Just asking token? My degree isn’t worth as much because affirmative action made it so any minority could get one.}

  • Anonymous

    Will anything come of this with Republicans controlling the House?

  • Anonymous

    What is it with this country where politicians and corporations are taking on the habits of dictators. America is no democracy where public opinion is constantly manipulated by those in power and people are attacked/discredited because of their beliefs. What kind of opiate has been fed to the masses to pacify them to this point? Did 9/11 make us that pliable? It took the situation in Wisconsin to even begin to get a mass of people rallied around the cause.

    The top 2% of this country want to oppress the middle class and downgrade the status of the average citizen so they can further their profit; plain and simple.

    -Do away with practical Health care
    -End collective bargaining rights
    -Give corporate entities “human” status
    -Give corporate entities endless tax breaks and loopholes contributing to the financial crisis
    -Invade our privacy
    -Take away our rights
    -Dictate what we believe in and wipe out all opposition
    -Not prosecuting those that got us into the financial mess (how many were sent to jail because our economy collapsed?…None!)
    -Just to name a few…

    And they get a large group of ignorant citizens rallying around them while they do it…Ingenious!

  • http://liberaldefenderoffreedom.blogspot.com/ mikefromArlington
  • Johnny Warbucks

    What is it with this country where politicians and corporations are taking on the habits of dictators.

    That is what happens when the politicians terms in office are not limited. You get these critters in office for 30 years and they become a dictator in their own rights.

    Amerikans are also more stupid than the average bear. It’s a combination of things really but religion has been a great part of it. If you read “1984″ and “Fahrenheit 415″ you’ll see how it’s done.

    Have no fear that minority has already won. The final step will be pulled with that upcoming presidential election. May as well bend over and hold on to your ankles. The worst is yet to come. This is only a warm up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBX3ZLT5XKNZDOL2YZHPVX27VI STEVEN P

    Damn,damn,DAMN! That pesky free speech and Democracy is getting in our way AGAIN!!!

  • http://twitter.com/oldivory OLD IVORY

    HBGary hot under collar and B of AM down. Yes!

  • Anonymous

    Here’s the big explosive kahuna from the WPo piece:

    “The three security firms named in the e-mails have substantial federal contracts. A sales document produced for the Hunton & Williams law firm in November said the firms have “extensive experience in providing game-changing results across the Intelligence Community and defense/government sector.”

    “Hunton & Williams, the law and lobbying firm that negotiated with the tech companies, has declined to comment.”

    What WPo (& Raw) doesn’t outline in their pieces, rather interestingly, is this tidbit: According to the hacked emails of HBGary, H&W was recommended by the DOJ to BofA and CofC for their smear/inteligence campaign needs against those orgs critics and related compadres.

    Yes, you read it right. BofA and CofC asked the DOJ with whom do they turn to, to provide smear/intelligence services to them on US citizens and journalists that BofA and CofC want to “silence.” And the DOJ GAVE THEM THE NAME OF H&W.


    Edit: HBGary President, Aaron Barr, has been fired. Um, guess who might actually “disappear” in the coming weeks? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMmE8RLieiA)

  • Anonymous

    Johnny, I’m with you. I wasn’t going to go beat the religion horse, but you’re right. Noticed I used “opiate” as in “opiate of the masses.” The relevance of such classics as 1984 and Fahrenheit 911 is incredible. It is almost like their playbook. It will be interesting to see if Americans will continue to be the passive veal shaped by the politic/media machine or if we will see more resistance like in Wisconsin.

  • http://twitter.com/btmfdrsheaven rebecca meritt

    Probe them while they’re probing us,let everybody enjoy the fun!

  • Anonymous

    They’re not called the “Chamber of Horrors” for nothing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4FZJDIZSMSB2SZAEPNOKGD745Y G

    Pretty much sums up what is wrong with the Democratic party: they are either ineffective or spineless, and about the best you can say about them is that *most* of the harm the bring… comes in the form of neglect.

    I suppose it could be worse. They could be actively trying to destroy the middle class and doing a good job of it like the other party is doing.

  • Anonymous

    Totally agree gypski, totally! Investigate them, hunt them down and then send them to Gitmo if found guilty! HA! Ok, that’s possibly a bit extreme but if we’re leaving gitmo open, might as well use it, right?

  • Anonymous

    I will never sleep again after seeing your avatar, OMG!!!

  • Anonymous

    Figures doesn’t it!?!?! All of them are germ spreading bacteria filled parasites working with each other to try and weaken the American citizen, to pit us against each other. I seriously think it’s time that we start meeting secretly, in small groups, get the word out to other small groups until we become one large “Eff with us now you rotten bastards!” group and show them that this isn’t Iran or Syria where they can squash us and shut us up. This goes for you to GOPer Walker!

    I know plenty of Vets and law enforcement types that are ready to tell the man where to get off. Doesn’t mean with violence but it does mean that we become a lot more prepared, a lot more educated about what the gov’t is doing or trying to do to it’s citizens. And no, I’m not looking for an overthrow, just want to show them who they’re effing with, the American people who aren’t going to take their sheet any further. And they best think twice if they expect us to turn against each other, I know that’s the GOP plan…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJJ4KEVT2Z5RDHTIRGJOUWL2EA Paul M

    Amen!, brother, Amen! It´s becoming increasingly clean what we All have to and Must face.

    The hand writing is not only on the Wall, but clear out in the Open for all to see. We have Got to Stop this MADNESS!!!

  • Anonymous

    Sadly, many of you in Armerica haven’t thought it through.

    You equate Democracy with freedom, but your using the wrong description.

    You do not have Democracy in your Country; you have Capitalism. Unlike Wisconsin – very unusual to see everyone pulling together for a Genuine Cause – as long as everyone is out for what they can get for themselves, so it shall ever be.

    If you don’t believe me, look at your politicians and lobbyists. The higher up the food chain, no matter what Party is in power, the easier it is to trample on people and peoples’ rights. Have you never wonderd how AIPAC operates with such ease in the highest echelons of Government?

    Sorry if this is a double post; it’s difficult getting through from here – Turkey – sometimes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJJ4KEVT2Z5RDHTIRGJOUWL2EA Paul M

    That´s the spirit. It´s to the point where the “do or die” comes into reality. THEY have to be made to realise that they are going to have a real good FIGHT on their hands. They are not going to trash THIS country without a HELL of a fight!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLF5SUA5RDYXG54WWF5SHMVRAI X

    Too bad we don’t have a Democratic president leading the way for the Justice Department to investigate some of this stuff as the law requires.

  • ThatBostonMan

    how do you know they aren’t already? Remember when I said the same thing and you called me a conspiracy theorist? But somehow you say it and you get 17 likes. Whats going on?

  • ThatBostonMan
  • ThatBostonMan

    Politicians dont have any power. They are victims of psy-ops. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/25/3148912.htm

  • arianna issa

    Da new Huppo/AOL provide all dees services at reasonable fee. Vhy go all da sneaky sneaky? Ve do it right in front ov face! As boy friend alvays says to me all time “You do your thing baby and I’ll do mine because when my committee is done with these left wing socialist commie van jones loving trade unionist al-Qaeda code-pink Muslim brotherhood Nazi’s they’ll think Joseph McCarthy was Mr. Rogers good neighbor who shoveled snow out of driveways for the elderly. As my Idol once said “McCarthyism is Americanism with it’s sleeves rolled” now I say “Issaism is Americanism with it’s pant’s down”. I’ll ruin these parasites at the expense of the American taxpayer. Ain’t that a bitch? I’ll use their own fucking money to ruin them, that’s a fucking hoot? I’ll fuck em blind then rent them a seeing eye dog!” Andt ve shouldt know dees thingks, ve billionaire congressman.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I don’t know why the Democrats don’t just go join a commune, get out of our way, and let real men and women punish the crimes of the treason mongers.

  • ThatBostonMan

    wont you need some informants?

  • Anonymous

    Funny, what money will do. The Un-united States of Greedy Lobbyists.

  • Anonymous


  • Anonymous

    You said it! I’ve been referring to “that guy” as the first openly Republican Democratic (in party name only) president. The Consummate Con Man, and a schmuck to boot.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Sure they do. And it’s not necessarily psyops that’s woeing them over either, it’s the cold cash the corporations are putting in their pockets that are winning their hearts and minds.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Huh? Are you suffering a sudden attack of penis envy?

    And weren’t Blackwater hired during Katrina?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Religion is the prep. That’s where the conditioning starts. From there, they’re turned over the government to do it’s part. It’s so much easier that way. Wisconsin is turning out to be really interesting. And, yes, I’m very curious to see how it all pans out. We’re long overdue for a serious revolt. Something’s gotta give!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ian.brewer1 Ian Brewer

    This article needs correction: it’s not an “alleged” plot, the plot was uncovered. There’s no doubt about it’s existence.

    Also, these congressmen need to be pushing the Justice Department to investigate. A little awkward I guess, considering it was the Justice Department that recommended HBGary Federal to BoA.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why nobody sees it. A lot of our problems will vanish overnight if we just did away with private campaign funding. That is the root of the evil in politics in America. Nobody even knows what their candidates stand for. How could we when we only get 30 second sound bite ads bombarding us night and day. The money in campaigns means no ordinary citizen can run for office, you have to be a millionaire. And once in office, it’s payback time. The incentives favor bad behavior. It doesn’t have to be this way. We need to have representatives work for us, the middle class again. We have to bring in public campaign funding or we’re toast.

  • Anonymous

    Democracy , bill of right and our laws are a thing of the pass.

    Bush’s U.S. attorney general Mikasey .
    All crimes are not crimes to be prosecuted.

    Records show that Gonzales played a key role in the Bush torture program, with the former US attorney general authoring the original torture memo.

    Treason , Torture and illegally invading another country is just find.

    But the average citizen on the street , if you smoke a joint , you are going to jail.

  • ThatBostonMan

    You don’t have any clue how psy ops work. Yes they use bribes but if your option is to take the bribe or be psychologically tortured, what option are you going to choose? Seems like the bribe is the only option they can choose in that situation.

    People think politicians have it easy. Politicians are manipulated by everybody. They are like the manchurian candidates, if you’ve ever seen the movie. They get brainwashed via political ideology (psy ops), and religion (psy ops), and weird blackmail (probably related to psy op), or they take the money and then get manipulated based on the fact that they took the bribe and don’t want that to get out and end their political career.

  • ThatBostonMan

    Yes and we both agree that something is wrong in Kansas. I just don’t think politicians are evil. I don’t think the cops are evil. I don’t think the government employees or soldiers are evil. I think most of them are just caught up in between bad and worse options and they make the best of it.

    I’m just surprised that you can say what I said 3 months ago, and I got called a conspiracy theorist and you may have even been among these people. I told everybody just wait a month or so and the news will come out, but I got called paranoid.

    The news is out. Now what?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    No, you’re wrong. They are evil. Look at Bush and Cheney and tell they aren’t evil.

    And you keep bringing that up and I hope you realize I have no idea what you’re talking about. Also, were the circumstances similar or was it one of those way out there has nothing to do with the subject whackadoodle paranoid things of yours?

  • Johnny Warbucks

    These crooks are not being psychologically tortured. They’re being paid off. The people, on the other hand, are being psychologically manipulated and that too is a whole different ball game. And, no, apparently, it is you who has no idea how psy ops work or, maybe, they’ve practiced them on you way too much.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    The DOJ is too busy persecuting the government’s political enemies to fight actual crime. There’s an election coming up, fer gosh sakes!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Yesterday”s conspiracy is today’s reality. So you needn’t change your political position. With patience folks’ll just come around to you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    No it was “like” envy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    They won’t stand for long. “Spineless” is their middle name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Injustice Department.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    He’s the Stepford President. It’s not the real Obama. The real Obama was abducted by aliens and replaced by an android. The question is who controls the android? Circumstantial evidence would suggest it’s AIG.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRCGTVH7SXIVAQMN6VHRMIG6ZM john wilson

    I fully agree that public campaign financing must return or we as a democracy are toast. As stated earlier no normal man could possibly run successfully for any major office. I am afraid the time has unfortunately past that our democracy has to correct this abomination that has evolved. How can we correct this if the very laws are being written by those most responsible for its existence. Revolution perhaps is the only fire that can clean the peoples house.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    Exactly. The DOJ was the agent that brought HBGary into the picture in the first place! So they are unlikely to investigate, the trail leads to themselves. Or like the military they’ll launch an investigation only to conclude that they’ve done nothing wrong. That happens often in the military. Like every day.

    It would be interesting to know just how much of this scheme the DOJ was aware of. What did they know and when? Were they breaking their necks trying to look the other way?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MSVG73USMG342DWORQKIEJ6HVQ Bob

    To carry on with the Dem bashing theme of this thread, just what happened to all the Bush administration war criminals when the Dems controlled BOTH chambers of Congress and the Executive? Same thing as now: NUTHIN’! Nancy Pelosi said “Impeachment is off the table!!” What are you KIDDING ME?!!!!

    There is a conspiracy of lawlessness at the heart of our government that grows ever more brazen with each passing administration and session of Congress. It transcends both political parties. They no longer even bother to try and disguise the hypocrisy. Laws are applied selectively when politically expedient and completely ignored when applying them would be inconvenient.

    The DOJ has been a joke since even before Alberto Gonzales took over. There’s more of a circus atmosphere with each passing year. I think it all started when John Ashcroft covered up the breasts on the Spirit of Justice statue. That was a gesture of ill will. It made the justice gods angry.

  • ThatBostonMan

    So you think Obama and Biden are evil? Brainwashed perhaps, influenced covertly perhaps, but evil? Evil assumes that nobody else is pulling the strings.

  • ThatBostonMan

    How do you know they aren’t? have you asked one of them? How are you qualified to know what they are experiencing to make them act a certain way?

    Who would protect them from the military? The local cops? If it’s true that the military used psy ops, then nobody can protect the human rights of politicians. They would be sitting ducks.

  • Anonymous

    Nixon used the U.S. government to spy on and try to discredit American citizens. Reagan’s presidential campaign went behind the back of the U.S. government in 1980, cutting a deal with the Iranian ayatollah to hold the hostages past the presidential elections, with the ayatollah waiting a while longer and releasing them the moment that Reagan was sworn-in. Then Reagan blew-off U.S. federal law in Iran-Contra. Then George H.W. Bush pardoned all the Iran-Contra criminals. Then Clinton shut down any further investigations into Iran-Contra. Then George W. Bush used the U.S. government after 9/11 to spy on all U.S. citizens through unlimited warrantless illegal wire taps through complicit telecommunications companies. Then the U.S. Congress under Democratic Party control in 2007 sent a law to George W. Bush giving all the complicit telecommunications companies retroactive immunity for any and all criminal acts committed on behalf of the Republicans in the Bush/Cheney administration. Then President Obama essentially gave retroactive immunity to all the criminal Republicans using our government to spy on us in the previous Republican administration, both BushCo public officials and BushCo private contractors.

    So it should come as no surprise that the Republican bastions of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and throughout Wall Street decided it was okay to launch a dirty tricks campaign (through government-paid contractors, gasp) against anyone daring to challenge their insane drive for a totalitarian right-wing dictatorship, oligarchy, plutocracy. These conservatives have a history of this, and this sabotage of our democracy definitely crosses party lines.

  • Anonymous

    and you know they don’t now…how?

  • Anonymous

    Let me remind you: back a while, us voters in California passed Term Limits for our politicians….the California Supreme Court nullified it as “unconstitutional.”

    Only one solution left….

  • Anonymous

    “Religion is the prep.” Indeed.

    Mmmm, did you know: the “Paris of Troy” that ran off with “Helen”…..was originally called “The Shepherd of Mt. Ida”? That ain’t “Troy.”

    Did you know ancient kings used to send cult statues of their local and regional gods/goddesses to other kings to worship? (see Amarna letters from king Tushratta to Solomon/Amenhotep III, lending a statue guarded by Shepas)…the Queen of Shepa?

    Did you know Tacitus stated Mt. Ida (Crete) is the original home of the Jews? Did you know ancient art portrays “Trojans” wearing skullcaps?

    Did you know that “beauty contest” Paris judged…was of statues of goddesses?

    Did you know that “Helen” of Troy (Sparta! Why call her after the place she was taken too?? Deception, historical) HAD to have been a contemporary of Nefertiti?

    HAD to have been: Nefertiti’s father-in-law and mother-in-law (Amenhotep III/Solomon and Queen Tiya, a YA worshiper BY NAME AND DEED) have cartouches in Myceneaen tomb of Clytmenstra? With an Egyptian pyramid in relief over the entrance to tomb (wiki it and see for yourself).

    Notice too the historical deception: Solomon was Amenhotep III and HE married a HEBREW wife, a YA worshiper, NO Egyptian princess EVER was given to a foreign king: NEVER happened. Ever. (see the Armana letters from Amenhotep III to Tushratta, who asked for a wife and got turned down…after giving Solomon/Amenhotep III a sister AND daughter to marry). THAT is the real….but notice closely how it is always, always portrayed exactly the opposite and upside down from the real…

    “Hoodwinking” the term they use…..

    Do you know who she is? Helen’s sister. “Aga (father) Memnon” was “Memnon” aka The Colossus of Memnon at Luxor’s Temple Of Amen (Yahweh for the uninformed): Amenhotep III aka Solomon.

    Did you know when Ahkenaton died, Nefertiti wrote Tushratta asking for a prince to marry??? Because she didn’t want to have to “marry a servant”? Did you know Nefertiti “disappeared from history”?

    Did you know the future and last pharaoh of the 18th dynasty was called “Horemheb”? Did you know he wrote Ahkenaton asking for assistance to throw off the invading Heberu, and Ahkenaton ignored him? Signed : “your faithful servant”? (Amarna letters)

    Horem-heb, the guy that Amenhotep III used to build/rebuild TEMPLES for him….
    Did you know the mayor/governor of Tyre then was “Abi Milkilu”? Did you know Horem-heb’s mother called him Milkilu at birth?

    Did you know Abi means “brother” as in “brother Horem”? Abi Horem=Hiram Abif.

    Did you know: he was married to Nefertiti’s sister?

    So I ask you: if a statue of a goddess had entered your ancient town/village/city, what might people have proclaimed? “The Beautiful One has Come”?

    Say it in Egyptian, please.

    Nefer Titi.

    Helen’s sister……it was a Cult of the Snake Goddess, many beautiful statues of the Asian Goddess Nefer Titi. Look at her eyes please, google “Nefertiti’s eyes: she was of Easrern Asian extraction.

    See the Temple at Knossos (Gnostic) for “her” fate.Snake Goddess/Knossos, try a search along with “Nefertiti’s eyes…”

    See that bull iconography?? Same in Horemheb’s tomb in the Valley of the Kings…he was from Tyre originally…the real Troy. (touregypt dot com, look up Horemheb, look at the tomb “faces” iconography: That is not Egyptian, that is Minoan, people, that face? Agamemnon-mask like. Looks like Leonard Nemoy playing Mr. Spock doing an impression of Count Dracula, complete with Widow’s Peak hairline, go look!! Not Egyptian, yet this guy was married to Nefertiti’s sister and became pharaoh.

    Hezekiah (Heze Kiya) was not a “Jew” from the O.T.: he was a Priest Of Amen (Amun) that hid the treasures of the temple in a very clever place, when the rampaging Ahkenaton aka Nebuchadrezzer II was in a fury looking for his missing wife/statue and couldn’t find it: In his own son’s tomb: Tut.

    His father’s treasure was in Tut, his son’s, tomb. That is why cartouches of “someone else” were removed and Tut’s written over it. (Mishnayot, tells the tale I just stated, an ancient HEBREW manuscript). By the way, the O.T. says when “Nebuchadrezzer” II found Hezekiah? He put his eyes out.

    Yes, Ahkenaton WAS Nebuchadrezzer II: look in the Armana letters from Tushratta to Solomon/Amenhotep III’s widow TiYa, what does he call Ahkenaton???

    Why did Ahkenaton allow the “Sea People” from Crete (the home of the original Jews according to Tacitus) to pillage and loot? Because they were FAMILY. Fellow YA worshipers.

    Now you know why the outraged citizens of Egypt destroyed all remains of the “Heretic King”: he let them be looted and pillaged by his cronies…..by foreign god worshipers…the WORST crime imaginable. They DUMPED the bodies of the royalty on the ground and stole all the treasures with Ahkenaton’s happy permission. That’s why they are all reburied elsewhere…let’s open our eyes and stop listening to the “authorities” that have mislead us for over 3000 years, about time, eh??????

    Religions come, religions can GO…if we expose the real)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    The Courts are only there to enforce, preserve and protect the interests of their corporate masters and to punish us for our perceived transgressions against the mighty ruler whilst providing them with slave labor. Don’t ever expect them to do anything for us. They know better.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I can see this exchange going nowhere for a long, long time.

  • Anonymous

    The silence of the main stream media on this and the serious crimes revealed in the emails anon released is scarily telling. Here in Oz a search of Australia’s most hit news sites brings up nothing, even our most respected news service the ABC only has the initial Anon hack. No true depth to the reporting – let us hope that they catch up.

    Sooo many people should be behind bars by now (from the last 10 years), yet we waste resources busting pot smokers. The western world really has gone down the toilet, then again maybe we were always in the toilet and its just that the ‘Information Age’ has allowed us to see the truth (even though we seem powerless to do anything about it.)

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Evil, brainwashed, bought, manipulated. Does it make a difference at the end of the day?