Public sharply divided on who to blame if government shuts down: poll

By Sahil Kapur
Tuesday, March 1, 2011 12:46 EDT
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WASHINGTON – Americans are divided over whether President Barack Obama or Republicans would be to blame in the event of a government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll.

Thirty-six percent say Republicans would be at fault if the two sides aren’t able to strike a budget deal, while 35 percent would fault Obama in such a scenario. Seventeen percent said both, 10 percent said neither, and 1 percent had no opinion.

The Republican-led House recently approved a measure pushing $61 billion in cuts to hundreds of non-defense, discretionary federal programs. Many of the cuts won’t fly with Democrats, who call the bill draconian, setting up a showdown.

Congress failed to pass a budget for fiscal 2011, as some Democratic leaders argued last fall that the debt commission’s December report would need to be considered. Two continuing resolutions were subsequently passed to keep the government solvent, the latter of which expires at midnight on March 4.

If the two parties don’t reach a deal by Friday to continue funding the government, a shutdown would occur. It would likely halt government services like health care, delay passport applications, and result in the closure of national parks, museums and monuments.

Both sides have emphatically stated they would not like to see the government shut down, each scrambling to blame the other over the possibility.

Seeking to avoid such a scenario, the White House and Congressional Republicans are reportedly on the verge of passing a interim bill that would keep the government running through March 18, buying them time to craft a broader budget.

Republicans are haunted by memories of 1995, when a clash between a new GOP-led House and the Clinton White House led to a partial government shutdown, which turned public opinion decisively in Clinton’s favor.

But then, unlike now, the public had already decided prior to the shutdown that the Gingrich-led Republicans would be to blame, according to a 1995 Washington Post-ABC poll.

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  • cannotvote

    The rethuglians and their paymasters are to blame – silly!

  • gypski®

    The GOP and the policies and actions set up by the Bush/Cheney et al Cabal that undermined our government and continues to do so on a daily basis. They should all be arrested post haste.

  • Anonymous

    let it go! it would be a good time for the rebellion to begin here as elsewhere.

    here is the larger picture… wonder how the US govt is going to respond when this happens right here? when a million americans are closing in on washington, DC? when NYC, Chicago, LA and elsewhere are in open revolt. these are igniting by food riots and then evolve. by a year from now, the extended benefits for the jobless are done…

    america now has 9.4% jobless still getting an unemployment check and another 9.6% jobless no longer gettign a check. 19% of a would-be workforce of 160 million americans means 30 million jobless and their 60-70mln dependents, almost 1/3 of america. 147,000 young try entering the workforce monthly and in this whole past decade; the USA has barely averaged that many total jobs available monthly… a tragically lost generation.

    plainly, the assets of all the fallen firms and their execs had to be seized; not ‘baled out.’ had that been done, there would’ve been the money needed… the only conceivable way to put the country back to work was a $4-6 trillion, 4-6 year crash program to back a million or more new startup businesses…

    so imagine our shock when wife and i presented SBA with 4 sound, detailed business plans after the ‘stimulus’ came out… only to find that NOT A SINGLE THIN ROOSEVELT DIME WAS GIVEN SBA FOR STARTUPS!!!

    now there is no money. worse, bush having doubled the national debt to over 12.7 trillion and still soaring under obamabush… no one will be lending more. GAO acknowledges that it will require heavy finagling just to pay the interest on the debt by 2013! no more $3 trillion loans from the communist party of china like bush got. indeed, china now says america is not good for that debt.

    last april and again last month, IMF announced that it is working to rapidly replace the USD as the standard currency of the world, due to concerns of OPEC/EU/PRC… with the ‘bancmark,’ a further power grab by IMF/worldbanc/WTO…

    as stansberry of stansberry investments (one of the very few who foresaw and forewarned his investors of the coming crash of 2008), sees, when that happens later this year or early 2012 (‘the end of the world as we know it’?), the USD will immediately devalue to nothingness. and the fed will no longer be able to print air-money as it has since the fall of the british pound sterling in the 1950s. hyper-inflation ensues; food riots and martial law as the country begins to disintegrate soviet union style.

    the sole remaining card left for the US govt to play will be its massive military might… since 2006 more costly than the militarism of the rest of the planet combined… 9% increase this year in the midst of growing depression…

    but lacking any tax base… can even that might maintain control here? how about abroad with our endless wars, torture chamber network and 770 military bases?

    will this govt contract ‘cornered cat syndrome; ‘if we can’t have it nobody can’?

    stansberry’s advice is the same as it was in 2006… convert stocks to gold. my advice is that, lacking any stocks or cash to convert… steal a car; pack up the family and RUN FOR THE HILLS! this is going to get very, very ugly round heah.

  • Anonymous

    please… partisan myopia brings on boozy double-vision and what is really just one entity is seen as two… this is one of the chief means of effecting that you CAN fool ENOUGH of the people ENOUGH of the time.

  • http://www.lynchgraphics.com David Lynch

    More pollshit. I think the GOP would suffer the same bad press they received in 1995.

  • Anonymous

    Considering Obama told the Republicans beforehand he’d veto the budget bill if it contains partisan language the Republicans know full well they have the rest of the year to pursue their agenda but they are stupid enough to test it.

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind, the public used to be “sharply divided” on unions too. Then this recent Republican plot to destroy them began, and now people support them by over 60%.

  • Stephen Martin

    Ok it’s not just me.

  • Anonymous

    Blame? Responsibility for good government traces ultimately to its citizenry. We all learned this in 7th grade, I know, but do we live by it?

    Wisconsinites are now embracing this inescapable truth, as are Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians, and Bahrainians.

    Nobody’s going to come along and set us free. We either do it ourselves, or we accept the ‘enslavement by debt’ society our behind-the-scenes keepers have constructed for us.

  • cannotvote

    One bird,two wings – how’s that!

  • Anonymous

    They’re to blame and we’re to blame for allowing them to be there to be blamed in the first place.

  • cannotvote

    No it is just you and me, plus all the other you’s and me’s!
    Elitist scumbags concocted all this
    devolution – but the ‘front’ of it all is best personified in the slimey visages of the rethugs – imagine it would be a little different if Gore were elected, which we know he was but the corrupted supreme court, and faux news said otherwise – remember who called it – probably not! The American mindset is so unhinged in a mass denial that it’s going to take a collapse of the dollar to wake you all up – idjiots! Wake up and do something before then – you and all your pathetic ‘right to bare arms’ crap, go roll you sleeves up and do something – fuggin’ bunch of wankers!

  • cannotvote


  • http://twitter.com/VaginaHedgeFund Lloyd Blankfein

    I’ll be happy to see the government shutdown. No blame necessary, only a congratulation is deserved.

  • Anonymous

    Their monstrous lies are steadily being exposed, and at the same time many important truths are being spread — take for example James Corbett’s “The Last Word on Terrorism,” which everyone should see:


    People are slowly beginning to wake up.

  • cannotvote

    A fine example, cheers!

  • Guest

    I wonder…which party constantly denigrates public employees and democratic fundamentals? Hmmm…it’s such a mystery, I just can’t figure it out!!! :O

  • Anonymous

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
    Abraham Lincoln

  • realnewz

    Well I’d blame the govt and the politicans/corps that support it.
    Obviously they are not funding the govt.
    The money is being pocketed.

  • Anonymous

    and a vulture, a buzzard or a dodo.

  • Stephen Martin

    Here’s the deal. There is great disparity is what to do next. This is a class war. Put those who are not paying taxes back into the 50% tax bracket (like the good old days all those people seemingly yearn for), and at least put a band aid on what is becoming a real issue of have vs. have nots developing in the US.

    Trust me, when the doughnut hole in the govt. occurs, don’t wait too long for “private contractors” to bid to run public services. Terrible idea. It’s become “I have mine so I’m ok, fuck you” style mentality btw the very wealthy who are running the country and infiltrated in the White House. They need to get with it. I talk to a wide range of people here in LA and Detroit, and NO one is happy with this whole Union (and amounts to) a worker/civil rights issue. Taking away collective bargaining is busting the union. Why don’t those ball less twits like Governor Walker just come out and say what his real game playing is all about. He was even punked into admitting it when he got a prank call from one of the infamous Koch Brothers. Too much influence in too few hands, all with their own personal interests in mind. They don’t care if your family eats or not. They don’t care if you’re 50, no money for retirement or proper medical care.

    What if someone like a Koch Brother actually sat across from you face to face and actually said what they really are up to? I see someone on the ground, and it’s not me.

  • Anonymous

    If anyone in Washington was really concerned with the deficit they would end the damn unnecessary wars, cut the defense budget and END THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!!!!!!! So I guess everyone who refuses to see what they should be doing is to blame. Their corporate puppet masters have won again! So why bother with all the discussion about how to cut the budget. If you wanted to cut it without cutting any social programs it would be done!

  • Guest

    Agreed. No other way.

  • Anonymous

    Polling is a republican tool for deflecting and shaping. Don’t buy into it. They use the media to dissemble and misdirect. Look at the proliferation of the happy dancing elephant GE commercials. Subliminal messaging to make the GOP look acceptable and lovable. Don’t buy it. They are slavemasters. They are deliberately destroying the economy so they can rebuild it without the pesky bill of rights and impose Amercan empire and hegemony on the world by force of arms.

  • Guest

    WELL SAID, Kurt_O!!!

  • Guest

    WOW!!! Great link!!!

  • Guest

    People always speak like this who feel helpless and feel ashamed they haven’t done anything themselves.

  • Guest

    “What if someone like a Koch Brother actually sat across from you face to face and actually said what they really are up to? I see someone on the ground, and it’s not me.”

    Don’t want to think of that… bad for the liver.

  • ladygeek

    I don’t know but I remember back in the late ’60′s and early ’70′s we all saw the subliminal messaging in commercials doing the same thing. And in fact, subliminal messaging was made illegal as a result.

    Nothing new here, move along please

  • ladygeek

    Keep in mind that alot of people who are now grown ups were educated under the Raygun administration’s and further repuke administrations did not want educated citizens which is why they dropped civics classes as mandatory in public schools. Also declared ketchup as a vegetable.

  • ladygeek

    You can find more detail and that also describes the economic imperialism that is being fought against us in Disaster Capitalism: The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. Once you read that, you’ll understand how this whole plot started and that we are now dealing with

  • Anonymous

    “If the two parties don’t reach a deal by Friday to continue funding the government, a shutdown would occur. It would likely halt government services like health care, delay passport applications, and result in the closure of national parks, museums and monuments.”

    That is not correct saying health services would be shut down, there have been studies done, the only thing that would shut down is the parks and monuments and thats it.

    But hey don’t listen to me feel free to act like maniacs and freak out over nothing, same reason you got TSA sticking their hands down your pants.

  • ladygeek

    I have heard “the revolution is coming” and “run for the mountains with all your stuff” for decades now. I’ve lived in those mountainous areas and I’ve heard how the survivalists are stocking up. I lived through the bomb shelter period. I’m not that depressed about all of this. I think that the people who are now practicing non-violent demonstrations will continue to gain more and more support and then we can get control of the seats of government instead of continuing to give control back to the capitalists which is what they really are.

  • Anonymous

    Ok so if Republicans are slave-masters what are democrats?

  • Stephen Martin

    The Liver?

  • Guest

    Emotions like anger will harm the liver. One of the things they say about alcoholics is they are extremely angry. Anger is bad for the liver and the heart. In Eastern medicine (TCM< Traditional Chinese Medicine) the liver is the mother of the heart. To be more specific, I should say; in the Five Element Theory, the wood element is the mother of the fire element. The liver is wood and the heart is fire.


  • Wyrdless

    I agree with a lot of your assessment especially the issue of tax base versus unemployment, however I disagree with some of the particulars:

    The USA is still one of the worlds top manufacturers, with a lot of knowledge and talent (albeit eroding) and is still one of the worlds top food producers, so there are the tools present to rebuild the country. Also Americans in general have more stuff lying around to weather a financial storm than ever before and Americans will be better off than most other countries if the dollar collapsed everyone will suffer.

    Keep in mind, China is printing money in tandem with the USA to maintain the exchange rate, we are exporting inflation to them, literally, and China will have more social unrest than us if they have a financial disruption. So who knows what can happen there.

    Part of the American story is that we rose to prominence becasue US was the only manufacturing base in the world, with Europe in ruins. That imbalance has been unwinding ever since, we just need to readjust.

    The world has never ended before, and it won’t happen now. Dollar devaluation is inevitable, serfdom is not.

  • Anonymous

    ANYONE pushing the DEM -vs- REP, LIB -vs- CON, Right -vs- Left, are the ones to blame.

    If they aren’t talking about human rights or freedoms, then they are on the wrong side.

  • Anonymous

    dream on… armagedonists with 22,400 nukes on a planet where just 400 would
    destroy all life its surface for eons. 26 global environmental disasters
    converging rapidly into catastrophe. drastically-increasing poverty, humgry,
    homeless, bankruptcies, foreclosures, suicides… UN estmaates 7-9mln dying
    now due to teh schemed economic disaster to increase the numbers of
    permanent underclass while reducing the numbers of the self-annointed
    ‘elite.’ and you think everything is just fine? UN in 1972 estimated the
    population of the earth in 2000 would be 5.4 billion. i was watching pop
    clock when it hit 6bln in oct 99. look at it now, honey {
    http://opr.princeton.edu/popclock/} it was just 1bln in 1900… race of
    moron ignorant lemmings, locusts, hyena, ostriches. which are you? oh,
    you’re the guy with the SUV awaiting peak oil and happy to be ‘top of the
    food chain’? well, happy times what with the bee-bat-butterfly extinctions.
    was einstein said “4 years without bees and there will be no life on the
    surface of the earth.” do you think better than ol a-bomb albert?

  • Anonymous

    wyrdless one, whom i recognize… sorry to say, yours is misguided optimism.
    the USA now produces damned little. vietnam makes more and largely,
    better… though they will never make a harley or a zippo…

    we still survive with 1/6 of workers idled due, as you correctly point out,
    to ‘having lots of stuff lying around.’ but, in 1916, germany had ‘lots of
    stuff lying around,’ too. look at germany in 1921.

    and no, stansberry and IMF are distinctly stating that it will not be the
    rest of the world, just the US which suffers from ‘bancmark’ and what
    follows. THe US govt has signed our names to over $15bln in debt at federal
    level and 5 more in state and local and it is not and never wil or can be
    repaid, hence bankrupt… GAO, as i said, declared in 2007 that interest
    payments would be nearly impossible by 2013 and the situation has
    definitively worsened since.

    it was china urged IMF to act as it is now doing due to the PRC seeing that
    the uSA can never repay even the interest on the $3trillion bush borrowed
    from them.

    the US rose to prominence solely on the basis of the extermination of some
    15mln native people who lived in what we garbage now call ‘america.’ that
    and the 8mln africans we killed in order to bring 12mln here in abject
    slavery to build the white christian’s country on the lands stolen from the
    rightful owners.

    it’s been a looong time since this was the land of milk and honey or ‘yanke
    ingenuity.’ and it needs to collapse in order to save us, the world from
    holocaust, and mother nature from our corporations.

    your seeming optimism is actually a hope that the US can continue its
    endless wars, tortures, exploitation of worker and the virulent destruction
    of ma nature. you should perhaps re-focus your thinking and realize that
    ‘the end of the world as we know it’ is the only hope of our species and

    those who want their SUV’s filled with gasoline forever are wearing
    eye-patches. prozac-mall-america is done just hasn’t been buried yet… but
    stinks like a corpse.

  • Anonymous

    tom hayden after he stopped believeing he could ‘work within the system’…
    said “when we failed to pull off our revolution in 1968, we became a
    generation of might-have-beens.” and look at the consequences of that
    failure… endless wars by america have cost some 20mln lives by direct
    cause of military/foreign policy since… 22,400 nukes on a world destroyed
    by just 400… and israel has 200 BIG ones. and look at nature, workers,
    poor, vast prison complex as racist as nazi germany, israel or apartheid
    south africa.

    complacency is a nursing home of the apathetic who yawn, watch the war
    re-runs and take a psych drug.

  • Anonymous

    Who has refused to move and who has been threatening to shut the government down? DUH?

  • ladygeek

    First of all, I never thought Tom Hayden and the members of the Chicago 7 had alot of importance or innovation in them. I was in college at the time. The only one who did take it as an opportunity was Abbey Hoffman. Secondly, Tom Hayden was elected as a representative to congress from Santa Monica, one of the wealthiest places in CA. So he was supported by those folks.

    I am very well aware of all of these issues and I know who caused them but as far as I believe, it is more important to find the source of the problem and then find a solution. There are alot of us nonviolent people around still and that is the path we have chosen for now. If you believe in peace that is the only alternative.

  • Anonymous

    Money grubbing dolts. The difference is that conservative republicans are visceral. Must be that reptilian brain thing.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    Serfdom isn’t here? More than half of families/homes are using food stamps. That’s a big fucking bread line my friend. Imagine that on Fox. Hundreds of millions of people in line waiting for a ticket to trade for their food.

    As Americans today, we have less leisure time than serfs did in feudal times. More than half of us have little to no net worth. Of course this is with ever increasing work demands and higher productivity per hour, in return for ever decreasing pay and benefits. We toil at the company store longer and longer, with less time to actually ‘live’, while we possess and control less and less in the way of assets. I don’t know. Kinda smells like a modified form of slavery to me, which is the definition of serfdom. Replace the Vassals and Lords with Owners and CEO’s . . . what else has changed.?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    The whole country is to blame. Every conservadouche who voted for a starry eyed revolutionary who came to conquer not negotiate. Every lefty who stayed home in frustration and paved the way for gridlock. Every GOP stalwart with a pocket fattened with corporate loot doing his masters bidding. Every DNC twit taking slightly less of the same money and gleefully selling out on everything that matters. Everyone. We’re all in this neck deep and we were all a part of getting here. Fire them all…and while we’re at it…we should be probably consider looking into ways to fire ourselves…because we are the ultimate custodians of this country…and we’ve slacked off and lowered our standards until all of this became not merely possible…but routine.

  • Wyrdless

    Only 30 million or 10% are on the stamps, and I have seen plenty of people I
    know very well abuse them.

    I don’t have kids and I have plenty of leisure time after work, on the
    weekends and anytime at night when I flip on a light switch, so I’m not sure
    where you are coming from on that. I doubt that farmers with no light
    bulbs, dishwasher, washing machine, fridge, running water, and industrially
    made clothing had more leisure time than the average American who doesn’t
    have kids. All of those modern conveniences produce enough work to replace
    the effort of a human for a year and make life easier. Making clothing and
    gathering water is a lot of work.

    A in feudal times serfs lived on the land and couldn’t leave without
    permission. No Disney World vacations or even roller skating rinks.

    in short, we are a LOT better off now.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/42THFKXIPMJHQBIH6OPI4RVIDY Thebes


    It would be great if the government shut for a few weeks. No massive chaos would happen, a small part of the population would be without a paycheck for a bit, but the sky wouldn’t fall.

    People would realize that most of us simply do not NEED the government that we currently have. The one which spends over half the nation’s true Gross Domestic Product.

  • Anonymous

    they were quite important. certainly more important than LBJ/manamara/nixon
    and theo rest of the endless line of warpigs. biie my favorite other than
    the genius founder of the panthers, huey p. newton, gunned down in drugwar
    oakalnd by cops who knew exactly who they was shooting…

    it can’t be held against hayden his hometown’s wealth and he deeply repented
    his failings (and ours.)

    the sources are usually evident. the problems usually easily solved by a
    small team of bucky fullers. it is getting around the dinosaurs which is
    rockeet science.

    even ghandi advised that we should use non-violence only as far as it was
    practicable but not when being exterminated and crushed. said, quote, “given
    the choice between cowardice or violence in teh face of genocide; i’ll
    choose violence as necessary.”

    the powers ruling will not hand over the reins is we merely ask politely. i
    was a supporter of the great weather underground. while the hersh photos of
    my lai (as he said than, just one of over 200 villages wiped out in
    ‘operation hamlet’ as DoD finally admitted in 2003 or so… nazi war crimes
    all), turned US vox public opinion against the war overnight… that war
    didn’t end for another 6 years and 1.5mln viet deaths… meanwhile
    kissinger/laird got nixon to initially back french-trained pol pot who went
    on to murder 2.7mln using precisely such tech as ‘operation hamet’ which the
    nazis also exported to such as el salvador, guatemala, pinochet, fujimori,
    etc.) and all us peaceful protestors with our flowers and posters did zero,
    zip, nada but puff up our naive chests… meanshile, weathermen’s bombs
    closed manufacturing facilities making agent orange, napalm, munitions. in
    1977 angela davis reported that weathermen had thereby saved an estimated
    25-40,000 vietnamese and large areas of rainforest.

    if you wish to see nature and all species including our errant one gone…
    it will not be done by etiquette. lay down on the train tracks to stop the
    deliveries of weapons and they will cut you into pieces. google delacroix
    grand ‘lady liberty leading the people.’ that is what it will come to or
    else this is a dead planet. sorry, honey, wish it were our loving garden…

  • Anonymous

    It shows how far the republicans BS is going and who the news media will play it out.
    It if very clear who is trying to Screw WHO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lon-Warneke/1409625620 Lon Warneke

    Who to blame?…All voters are to blame…
    As America circles the drain, it has devolved to the point of having no effective political solution for anything. There will continue to be ZERO EVOLUTION of the political process in this nation as long as the voters continue to exchange one inept political party for another inept political party while expecting different results.

  • Anonymous

    Answer: Who runs the house now? Repugs/TP. ’nuff said.

  • cannotvote

    If the koch brothers sat opposite me – I’d probably do a GG Allen!

  • Anonymous

    There are only two things to blame for our now-insurmountable budget crisis. Debt-based Central Banking and Corporate-sponsored Statism.

    From these two things are borne depression, perpetual war, obstruction of progress, poverty, inequality, tyranny, fascism, despotism, corruption, crime, planned obsolescence, profiteering, warped values, distorted cultures, materialism, nationalism, exploitation, propaganda, terrorism, and slavery.

    And until we reject the concept of rulers and take the system into our own hands, we will never be free. We will always be subject to those who would kill, corrupt, manipulate, destroy, and dominate for profit.

    Reject rulers. Reject the anti-economics they have brainwashed you to accept since birth. Reject the anti-culture which promotes domination and corruption over non-aggression and progress. Then and only then can we be free.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. In fact, I think we should have a new show, “Who wants to eat a hamburger?” Government workers could be pitted against private-sector workers in a cage match to the death. The winner gets to eat a McDonald’s hamburger while the national anthem plays in the background. Bankers could commentate the match.

    PPV gold!

  • Anonymous

    What democratic government in the United States of America are the Republicans not trying to shut down?

    Culture of corruption Republicans settled on a simple plan, a simple devious plan: they’ll push for massive tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations which cause huge budget shortfalls as state, local and even federal revenues drop. Afterward, these same culture of corruption Republicans then scream that there isn’t enough money in state, local and even the federal treasury to cover all their corporate/wealthy individual tax cutting, so government programs (at all levels) must be cut, often to the bone, programs that feed children, educate our students, provide health and mental assistance to U.S. citizens, programs providing and paying for fire fighters and police officers protecting our communities, and libraries, and roads, and our elderly, and so much more…literally an effort by culture of corruption, corporate-front Republicans to bleed our nation dry, one tax-cut-for-the-wealthy one-program-cut after another.

    Then, Republicans would blame Democrats (and unions, and private union workers, and public union workers) for all their disastrous economic policies. We saw this during the infamous Bush/Cheney administration. We are seeing the same Republican crap in Wisconsin. Ohio. Indiana. Camden, N.J.. Texas. New Jersey under Gov. Christie. Huge Republican-generated budget shortfalls. We see this now in Washington D.C. in the Republican-run House of Representatives, which should be renamed the Republican-run House of Corporate and Wealthy Individual Representation. The American middle-class and America’s poor are barred from the Republican-controlled House of Corporate and Wealthy Individual Representation, just like Gov. Scott Walker (TPR-WI) is trying to shut out of the Wisconsin Capitol building all those “slob” Wisconsin workers and their children. (Note: TPR stands for Tea Party Republican, while “slob” was a description that the Wisconsin Republican Senator just used on Lawrence O’Donnell’s MSNBC program to describe the American citizens protesting at the Wisconsin Capitol, “slob” and also calling them “pigs.”)

    Why do Republicans literally hate our democracy so much? Why do they hate our government of We the People, helping, you know, We the People…instead of just helping the wealthiest, the elite, the corporate fat cats (those who also tanked the U.S. and world economies in 2008, and who still seem hell-bent on causing another Great Depression)?

  • ladygeek

    I understand that people are very upset about these things happening. You have to understand and realize that this behavior has been going on for centuries in the US. I agree with why you are upset and I sympathize with all people who believe this same thing because I also believe these things are happening and now people are finally seeing what’s been happening, at least, in my lifetime (you’ll have to go to the wayback time machine) in the 1960′s to the present.

    The one organization that has had the most influence on the market (yes, Wall Street) since the 1880′s is none other than: GOLDMAN SACHS. By their movements of capital, they have been able to manipulate markets to their own gain. By that, I mean, each and every economic downturn and upturn has been manipulated by GOLDMAN SACHS. If you understand economics, and you go back to the 1880′s and watch how the business cycles act, then you’ll see what I’m saying.

    These are the capitalists that need to be taken down.

    Each and every downturn in the US economy has Goldman Sachs dirty filthy hands on it. What needs to be done is a real fight against what they call “capitalism”. This is not what Adam Smith had in mind when he wrote “The Wealth of Nations”. He was watching and describing how people worked together in cooperation and it worked well. You can’t take that analysis and/or fairytale and make it apply to what the world has been in the last 5 centuries. Knowing history is a very valuable tool to make good analyses.

    Well, it wouldn’t be the first time that the FBI came to visit me about what I wrote.

  • ladygeek

    You really need to check your statistics. Where the hell do you get the information that public employees are paid 50% more than the private sector? Chris Christie – that big fat ball of shit? Get your facts together before you barf up more disinformation, tea bagger!!!

  • ladygeek

    What is your IQ? 10?

  • ladygeek

    And, you are correct. That’s exactly what happened when Newt shut down the government under Clinton and Clinton won that battle.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2CDWIFBAEAK2R3FP6O3UXNVTJQ kjhkngjnhkj f

    Who’s to blame? I think the correct wording would be “Who to thank?”

  • DriveBy

    The banks have to play by the rules that We The People lay down, so who was it that changed the rules to enable Goldman Sachs to do what it, and every other bank, did to our economy?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee
  • Wyrdless

    Your article says”"” Half of American kids will live in households receiving
    food stamps before age 20″”",, not, they are on them now, or the duration of
    1-20 yars old. It is a very vague statement designed to maximize the effect
    of the comment. Right now I think 43 million americans are currently on food
    stamps, a record, but not even remotely close to 50%. The article refers to
    temporary assistance. If 50% of people were hungry, you’d see a lot more
    gardens IMHO.

    It isn’t my ‘first day’, and you never responded to my point about leisure
    time and industrialization.

    I have debated people on the free time issue and what I found was that the
    studies say indigenous cultures spend 30 hours a week or less gathering food
    and could spend the rest of their time at “leisure”. However, leisure often
    consists of sitting in a circle and doing ‘crafts’ like making clothing.
    However if you think about it, without clothing people would die, so that is
    really work. When you include these activities as work, indigenous people
    work just as much and often more than modern people.

    Industrialization creates leisure by making necessities of life available at
    a lower cost compared to the labor value of home production.
    ex. It is ‘cheaper’ and creates more ‘leisure’ to have sanitary indoor
    plumbing than to haul water from the river, collect fire wood and boil water
    before use.

    If you respond with a good post, I will take the time and get you solid
    references for this view.