Olbermann: ‘Cartoon-like’ Tea Partier’s win really a loss for GOP

By David Edwards
Thursday, June 10, 2010 13:38 EDT
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Supporters of Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) are reportedly thrilled about the prospect of him running against former state legislator Sharron Angle, since they see her as a weak Tea Party candidate with a history of extremist views that will make it easy to focus the campaign on her record.

The strategy, according to Washington Post blogger Greg Sargent, will be to “use her own words to paint her as, well, a complete whackjob.”

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann has already picked up on the emerging anti-Angle narrative. “Conventional wisdom was that Sue Lowden’s come-from-ahead defeat to Tea Partier Sharron Angle would hurt Senator Harry Reid,” he noted on Wednesday. “Turns out Ms. Lowden was the sensible one.”

“Ms. Angle’s resume is startling — or, if you prefer, cartoon-like,” Olbermann continued. “She told Liberty Watch magazine that she’s opposed to legalizing alcohol. (Las Vegas!) Eleven years ago, she proposed a bill requiring doctors to tell women that research suggested abortions might increase their risk of breast cancer, even though, you know, it doesn’t.”

The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank even suggested on Thursday that Angle’s victory “would explain the uncharacteristic smile on Reid’s face as he opened Wednesday morning’s Senate session. Instead of his usual stemwinder denouncing the obstructionist minority, he engaged his Republican counterpart, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, in a celebration of the national pastime.”

According to the Post’s Dave Weigel, however, Angle backers like Club for Growth spokesman Mike Connolly, are describing their reaction to the wave of attacks on their candidate as “one big yawn.”

“We know Sharron Angle pretty well,” Connolly told Weigel. “A lot of folks around here have worked with her. We’ve endorsed her in the past. This tactic is neither new nor surprising.”

Even if the tactic doesn’t surprise Angle’s backers, though, it could still prove damaging when played out before a national audience.

“She endorsed a plan for a prison drug treatment program that would be like sweat lodges, saunas with massage,” Olbermann noted. “It would cost $15,000 per prisoner. It was developed in part by the Church of Scientology. … Two weeks ago — after BP! — she said she favors more deregulation of the oil industry. Oh, and Ms. Angle also voted against fluoridizing the water, because she thinks the fluoride might be poison.”

Connolly acknowledged to Weigel that he hadn’t previously known of Angle’s opposition to fluoridation but insisted that “this is what their campaign is going to be — digging around in things she’s said and taking them out of context. And the polls haven’t moved for Harry Reid. He’s been a dead man walking, politically, for months.”

Sal Russo of the Tea Party Express and other Republicans also described the attacks on Angle as “stale stuff” and suggested that Angle should have no problems as long as she can avoid future gaffes.

It’s true that Angle’s support for the sauna idea might fairly be described as old news, since it goes back to 2003, but her Scientology connections recently came under renewed scrutiny when the Las Vegas Sun reported that Angle’s website had “scrubbed” any mention of her having worked with actresses Kelly Preston and Jenna Elfman to promote legislation prohibiting schools from requiring students to take psychiatric drugs, such as anti-depressants. Both women are prominent Scientologists, and opposition to psychiatric drugs is a Scientological position.

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  • fluminense

    Israel’s “self-defense” narrative falls apart
    by Paul Woodward on June 10, 2010

    Check warincontext.org today for the new video!

  • Mcc

    the fluoride is poison

  • libertate

    Hey, anyone remember when Kent Brockman, er, Keith Olbermann I mean, would end every show with with his count of “mission accomplished” in Iraq? What happened with that? Are we suppose to imagine that the democrats accomplished what the republicans couldn't (i.e. pacifying Iraq)? Just wonderin'.

  • roafer

    She would make a great running mate for Palin in 2012.
    They could get the entire white trash moron voting block of the gop!!

  • roafer

    This isn't about anything but the lunatic fringe far right wingers in America, the Tea Bagger moron vote!

  • John M Conley

    I guess the simple parroting of Angle's political philosophy is dirty politics. Go figure.

  • meatball402

    FTA:
    “Sal Russo of the Tea Party Express and other Republicans also described the attacks on Angle as “stale suff” and suggested that Angle should have no problems as long as she can avoid future gaffes.”

    Somehow I have a feeling that they can just walk her into gaffes.

  • hanoc202

    I really believe Maddow is the only true liberal on MSNBC. Compared to Olbermann her progressive pedigree cannot be questioned. I question Brockman er., Olbermann's convictions.

  • Maxbaer

    We can all laugh at idiots like Sharron Angle but what's not funny is the fact that there are people who voted for this cretin.

  • Knotthead Jake

    OH I love when they let the FleaBaggers speak. Yes, please…tell me more. Oh really ? and…
    No kidding?… Who knew?….Fascinating….Now about making alcohol illegal… could you elaborate? Flouride ? How positively John Birchian. Cities as concentration camps…really? Interesting. How did chickenlady ever think she could win against someone as smart as you? Really. Go for what you know GOP. NOTHING.

  • Fitley

    Sure they can coach her just like they did Sarah. We know how well that worked out.

    Instead of: Black say Nazi or Socialist or Communist
    Legal immigrants say illegal drug smuggling killers
    Legal Abortion say Baby Killers
    President say Muslim, terrrorist

  • roafer

    Good point.
    And loads of morons are gonna vote for her in November as well.
    Clowns like Angle and Palin are now mainstream candidates in America, very sad indeed.

  • Surferdude

    Heaven's to Murkatroidy! A bill to prohibit schools from requiring students to take psychiatric drugs? Now THAT is really kooky! We need to give give schools more power to drug those nasty little urchins who can't sit still for 7 hours a day while someone drones on and on about mundane bullshit.

    And EVERYONE knows how great fluoride is…how wacky of her.
    <eyes roll)

  • Surferdude

    Right! And then they can run against the entire white trash moron voting block of the Democratic Cabal. After all it's great having ole Harry in the Senate…just fucking great…

  • AtlanticCapers

    That's all they came up with?

    A nutjob Scientologist vs. a nutjob Morman. It should be a close race.

  • AtlanticCapers

    The “mission accomplished” guy retired. It was in the news and everything.

  • Surferdude

    Hmmmm…and the alternative is already sitting in Washington…seems morons have been voting there for a while now… Good to have choices huh?

  • lm945

    Expecting Angle to not make a gaffe is like expecting Boner to not get a tan.

  • Joe

    Reid isn't a moron?!?! The guy voted NO on Obamacare. He's a senile old man.

  • Joe

    Yeah, why are liberals ridiculing treating drug addiction instead of punishing it???

    …Because partisanship makes you stupid.

  • Joe

    read the back of your toothpaste. if ingested, call poison control.

    uhhh…Durrrr. Sodium Flouride is good for you??? You Regressives are sooooooo much smarter than “teabaggers”. You believe anything the MSNBC war industrial complex propaganda arm tells you.

    And there is A LOT of research out there that suggests that abortion increases cancer risk. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, issued a statement in 2003 calling on doctors to inform patients about a “highly plausible” relationship between abortion and breast cancer.

  • dc

    Don't get it twisted.. The tea-baggers are the new Nazi regime with a smiley face! It's patriotic to be a homophobe, a racist, and to kick out all the illegals out of the US.. But not too long ago it was ok. When they were mowing lawns, cooking in restaurants, and changing diapers for their little brats!! Not to mention Rand Paul wanted to roll back the civil rights act! They'll all get in office! You'll see.. Cuz Americans are the biggest fckn morons on the face of the earth!! Americans are condition in fear!! That's how politics work.. Scare the crap out of Americans and they'll vote for who ever promise them hope and solutions for their fear!! Don't laugh that's the game! They let the black man get in cuz “It's The Economy Stupid!!” So far he's f that up! Next it'll be LETS GET THIS COUNTRY BACK TO THE WAY OUR FOUNDING SLAVE MASTERS HAD IT!! The NWO (NEW WORLD ORDER) will support the tea-baggers in the next elections.. By then the US. will be like a third world country.. All the rich will be living in gated communities wile the rest of the AMERICAN PEASANTS fight among themselves for crumbs!!!! The rich will give no shts who running the country!!!!

  • jeff

    olbermann–why wouldn't sean hannity take you up on your waterboarding bet?

    folks replied that he's a coward…

    what do YOU think?

  • crackbaby

    “We know Sharron Angle pretty well,” Connolly told Weigel. “A lot of folks around here have worked with her. We've endorsed her in the past. This tactic is neither new nor surprising.”

    Opps! Looks like the snippet above was a misprint. It should have read:

    “We know Sharron Angle pretty well,” Connolly told Wiegel. “A lot of folks around here have worked with her. We've endorsed her in the past [because we'll endorse any idiot who wants to screw the American People on behalf of corporations]. “This tactic is neither new nor surprising [but it will be devastating to this pathetic waste of skin we've netted into running this futile campaign.”

    please make a note of it

  • Apocalypticphalange

    Yes, there is a lot of research about the abortion-breast cancer link, often mentioned by groups like:
    Catholic Medical Association
    American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists
    National Physicians Center for Family Resources

    All groups with a right-wing, “pro-family” political bent.

    However, check out cancer.org:
    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/cri/content/cri_2

    “Studies have shown that healthy women are less likely to report that they have had induced abortions. In contrast, women with breast cancer are more likely to accurately report their reproductive histories. This may be because they are looking for anything that may be linked to the cancer.”

    “The largest, and probably the most reliable study on this topic was done during the 1990s in Denmark, a country with very detailed medical records on all its citizens. In that study, all Danish women born between 1935 and 1978 (a total of 1.5 million women) were linked with the National Registry of Induced Abortions and with the Danish Cancer Registry. So all information about their abortions and their breast cancer came from registries, was very complete, and was not influenced by recall bias.

    After adjusting for known breast cancer risk factors, the researchers found that induced abortion(s) had no overall effect on the risk of breast cancer. The size of this study and the manner in which it was done provides good evidence that induced abortion does not affect a woman's risk of developing breast cancer.”

    And, yes, flouride is lethal… if you ingest 5-10 grams of it. Water flouridation is about 1mg/L. Everything is poisonous in large quantities, so it's not uncalled for to scoff at this wingnut's flouride conspiracy theories. Hell, you can die from drinking too much unflouridated water, like that woman who killed herself to get her kids a Wii.

  • roafer

    I don't agree with Reid regarding almost anything, but to have a putz like Angle in the Senate is far worse.
    I'm not a dem/gop, the plutocrats of both of those parties and never vote for them.
    Reid is a right winger, Angle is a very far right tea bagger moron.

  • roafer

    I don't agree with Reid regarding almost anything, but to have a putz like Angle in the Senate is far worse.
    I'm not a dem/gop, the plutocrats of both of those parties and never vote for them.
    Reid is a right winger, Angle is a very far right tea bagger moron.

  • roafer

    Yes, that's correct.
    We have no choice, that has been taken away from us.

  • BroccoliRob

    You are following in tie footsteps of the MSM, they just print what they feel like also.

  • BroccoliRob

    Just wait until he non-stop playing of Dingy Harry declaring defeat in Iraq!

  • libertate

    I wonder if the Iraqi people noticed?

  • OldScratch

    Hey folks, hate to tell you this but this is going to be a very close race and I would not be surprised to see Angle win. Nevada if very tired of the Reids. Rory, Harry's son, is on the ticket in the Gubernatorial and is completely anemic. The nuts don't fall far from the tree. Nevadans are not happy with them both on the ballot. Harry is a terrible candidate and this time around is extremely arrogant. Angle will completely out campaign him and despite her whackness, Harry's unpopularity will keep this close. Look at the primary numbers, 30 some % of Democrats voted for people like “Mr Clean” over the Majority Leader. Believe me, this comes from a Nevada Democrat, Harry Reid is in Serious Trouble.

  • hanoc202

    You tell em :)

  • roafer

    The abortion = cancer canard!!

    YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Isn't Glenn Beck on TeeVee right about now??, go join the circle jerk you moron.

  • roafer

    Except crackbaby is correct you moron.

  • roafer

    You're right, Reid is not a shoe in this go round. He's gonna pull out all of the dirt on Angle and she's got tons of it. Time will tell is her wacky beliefs do her in.
    I'm aware of the anger toward Reid, he's gonna have a tough fight ahead.

  • Jandroutlaw

    I think she has a real chance. Her neighboring state, Idaho, has been electing virtually identical candidates for at least 14 years, if not longer. There is little ignorance as deep as the pure Western redneck variety.

  • MarxMarvelous

    Wow. You sir, win the idiot of the day award. Get it together man, it's the Fabian socialists and subversive liberals who have ruined this country. You're so brainwashed, you can't even recognize a police state or economic slavery, right before your eyes! Learn some history, then come back and rant about the Tea Party. And if you want to live under a nanny state, move to frickin Europe, we fought a damn war to not live like them, ya tool.

  • Angeliquedupres

    quit your whining roafer and surferdude.

  • Angeliquedupres

    does it bother you that the war is still going on? or does it bother you that olberman held bush accountable?

  • Ted Tyson

    none of you has the courage to speak out about the 9/11 attacks, do you? explain building 7 while you're all pumping yourselves up.

  • Enough Left vs Right

    The problem with fluoride is it is not easily removed from tissue in the body, so it has a cumulative affect over time. Sodium fluoride tends to cause more bone cancer than other types. The issue is…you have fluoridated toothpaste, used 2-3 times daily. Why drink it? Why bathe in it? It is poison, FDA says so. Rat poison’s #1 ingredient…Fluoride compounds.
    Food 4 Thought.

    ps-if Rumsfield had his way there’d be aspartame in the water…

  • Enough Left vs Right

    The problem with fluoride is it is not easily removed from tissue in the body, so it has a cumulative affect over time. Sodium fluoride tends to cause more bone cancer than other types. The issue is…you have fluoridated toothpaste, used 2-3 times daily. Why drink it? Why bathe in it? It is poison, FDA says so. Rat poison’s #1 ingredient…Fluoride compounds.
    Food 4 Thought.

    ps-if Rumsfield had his way there’d be aspartame in the water…

  • Rcleary562

    You move to Europe. I am a liberal U.S. citizen and I like it here.

  • jeff

    sean “the libertarian now- always been a libertarian- what is a NEOCON” hannity is sure mixed up. the night of june10,2010 he called for “government intervention” in the gulf oil disaster.

  • seen2much

    Mike Judge had you all figured out long ago, I can't laugh that much anymore when I watch idiocracy, it all rings dangerously true these days…

    There is NO conspiracy, all that is unfolding is mostly the result of incompetence and hubris…
    Fluoride is NOT what you think, I've ingested more fluoride than all of you put together, and that is no hyperbole.. I grew up on Texas hill country well water, it has enough fluoride in it to stain your teeth, PERMANENTLY. I've been through 5 bad car crashes, and 2 helicopter crashes, the second of which I'm the only survivor.. AND I'VE NEVER HAD A BROKEN BONE IN MY LIFE, NOR A SINGLE CAVITY IN MY MOUTH!! I'm now 37.

    As far as fluoride making me compliant and docile: I'm the hardest-headed SOB I know, and the fastest way to get into a fight with me is to try to make me do something, even if I had half a mind to do it. I love the word NO, and use it as often as possible. I even encourage everybody I come in contact with to use this small powerful word as often as possible by leading by example in my daily life.

    So, to all of you in the tin foil hat brigade: Grow up. Wake up.. Events are just events, never ascribe to malice that which is better explained by incompetence. Accept the fact that chaos is real, and that we silly apes ultimately have very little to no control over events or even ourselves most of the time. I know that's scary, but that's reality. The only control we have is how we REACT to what is happening around us. That's it.

    Now, on to you collectivist status quo morons. You idiots are just as stupid as the tin fol hat brigade, only for now you are more dangerous, because you morons comprise the flesh and bones of the status quo. This is why you handle black swans so poorly… And boy, have I got news for you: The present and future is going to be FILLED with black swans.

    The information age ALONE is generating THOUSANDS of black swans per month, and the pace will accelerate as more of the populations of the world get connected. Add into it the powerful forces of decentralization: Cheap peak oil, technology proliferation, rapid ideology spread and a growing trend of populations questioning the status quo… This is a world where centralized control and status quo thinking utterly FAILS. These dinosaurs of standard thinking are doomed to extinction, you and your ilk are doomed to extinction.

    All the chaos you see unfolding around us is the aftermath of the paradigm shifts I'm talking about.. Much like the upheaval the dinosaurs experienced in the opening days of the massive meteor impact that ultimately shoved them aside.. They, like us probably tried to continue life as normally as possible, but reality will see to it that only the most adaptive survive.. And small is the most adaptive.. “Too big to fail….” Try too big to survive!!!!

    The last 120 years has been the biggest and longest run of reality denial in ALL of human history.. And the correction that has built up as a result will be the most violent and disruptive in human history.. To the point that the survival of our species is in more jeopardy than it ever has been. This is no joke, we are going to get closer to extinction in all of this than we ever have since the first humans started puking and farting across the African savanna.. At least if enough of us don't get real VERY fast and start dealing with our existence and current changes on more realistic and adaptable terms RIGHT NOW..

    It doesn't look good. It's not too late yet, but looking at how stupid most of you are, and seeing how most of you so miserably fail in dealing with what should be simple things… It doesn't look good at all…

    I'm thinking the chance that will save us is when things REALLY heat up over the next three years, a critical point will be reached when either enough black swans or the right black swan shows up and smacks some intelligence into your thick skulls.. Hopefully, enough stupid people will be composting in the streets, and those who remain will be smart enough to save what is left.. The more likely outcome: Your elected leaders out of desperation to maintain their privileged position in the status quo will drag us all into war, things get REALLY out of hand, and the demons of hell we bottled into test tubes and petri dishes are unleashed.. Nuclear war we can survive.. Badly, but we at least would not go extinct.. If weaponized bioagents are released, forget it, this planet turns into a life after humans episode..

    If you are continuing to live your life “normally”, if you continue to not face and understand just how much has changed and what it means to you, then you're just another lemming driving this species over the obvious cliff just ahead…

    My concern is that you idiots are so stupid, that I cannot get far enough away from you…

  • fluoridatethis

    The woman is unqualified for “higher” office, no question, BUT she right about fluoridated water; fluoride is a toxic waste & should never be deliberately placed in our water supply. Come on, Keith, walk back from the communist conspiracy talk of the loony right, & do your research. If people want fluoridated water, they should fluoridate their own water. Personally, I do everything I can to avoid drinking the stuff, I won't use a toothpaste w/it, & I believe having it in our water can & does — to say the least — damage your immune system. Why are we subsidizing this crap & deliberately forcing everyone to drink it? Keith, it's not just right-wingers who oppose this crap.

  • libertate

    “does it bother you that the war is still going on?” – yes!

    “does it bother you that olberman held bush accountable?” – no. it bothers me that Olbermann no longer ends his show with his day-count of Bush's declared, “mission accomplished”.

  • Tonelook2006

    Nevadans are independent people by nature. They know the difference between a crazy woman and an effective representative. The polls will rise for Reid and the campaign season has already witnessed the mojo for gaffe's being a GOP mantra. They can down play Angle's past all they want, but; America is listening and watching all the GOP antics that range from idiotic to racist. Americans and Nevadans aren't stupid.

  • MarxMarvelous

    Then you're going to absolutely hate it when we take the country back. You'll learn an important economic lesson when the dollar fails as well. Liberals are in for a rude awakening…some will learn from the collapse, some will tuck their heads firmly in the sand and blame Conservatives. It's going to be fun, if not a bit maddening, educating the drones.

  • shinyorbs

    why don't you enlist and go ask them?

  • shinyorbs

    well email the show and ask him geezuz keerist on crutches

  • shinyorbs

    yeah yeah wtfever come back when it's closer to voting time … I bet she loses her crazy ass…just say she want's to make alcohol illegal etc. she's a fucktard and the smarter people shall prevail, just watch.

    unless of course Harry's airplane suddenly has “mechanical” problems

  • abbadavis

    I have heard this before but I got to know in just title but I came across this site and got to know about in detail so I am very happy. This is no joke, we are going to get closer to extinction in all of this than we ever have since the first humans started puking and farting across the African savanna.
    gym bags

  • Enough Left vs Right

    As someone else who evolved in central Texas I feel your pain. Stop in Waco to see what human degeneration is firsthand. Blatant idiot follower sheep. The problem is we have taken the humanity out of being human. Regulation has made us timid and docile, unable to collectively garnish a plan for a sustainable future. My problem stems from the consolidation of monetary powers in the last 20 years. The banks are controlling policy and debt obligations from sovereign states at an alarming rate. Most of this was implemented in the late 80's and 90's (from the S&L to repeal of Glass-Steagal) as major US support of the IMF,FED, and World Bank. We as humans have to reclaim our planet, its natural resources first, as this is the slavery of the 21st century…being dependent on the few for essential items vital to our current lives.

    ps-from Austin not Waco, had to leave the police state there recently. Too much government intervention there…liking Colorado much better now…

  • http://campaign.robburns.com RobBurns4Congress

    Unbelievable. Is this Angle obtuse? Or is she just being oblique?

    :-) Sorry, but I couldn’t let that joke slip by.

  • http://www.globallivecasino.com live roulette

    They know the difference between a crazy woman and an effective representative. Polls rises to Reid and the election campaign has already seen the dip to be a blunder of the Republican Party mantra.

  • Elim

    You and live roulette the same person? Because you said exactly the same thing, word for word.

  • Elim

    She is right about the fluoridated water. But what the fuck does Keef know?

  • Phil E. Drifter

    'Conservatives' hold the country back from making progress. Look up the definition of 'conservative.'

  • Anonymous

    “And there is A LOT of research out there that suggests that abortion increases cancer risk.”

    OMG – They ‘issued a STATEMENT’, did they? Wow. A statement. Huh.

    Well that’s really something, joe. I’m impressed.

    See, the problem is that it needs to be the SCIENTIFIC kind of research, joe…..y’know? Science?

    Hate to break it to you, but the “AAPS” is a sad little propaganda outfit who are interested in conservative politics – Not science.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

  • P2tt12

    and who reelected Michele wackman in Minnesota

  • bufftrucker

    Doesn't this sound more likely?:

    “We know Sharron Angle pretty well,” Connolly told Weigel. “A lot of folks around here have worked with her. We've endorsed her in the past. This tactic is neither new nor surprising, as Ms. Angle is given to saying unutterably stupid shit nearly every time she opens her mouth.”

  • bufftrucker

    Lots of cute pseudo-intellectual terms being floated about here on these posts, but one glaring fact remains; your little “take the country back” program is doomed to failure, inasmuch as you don't seem to understand the difference between a fascist and socialist agenda. Which is it? Typical bagger conflation of terms of which they are too lazy to learn the definitions…

  • morty62

    I agree with her on flouridation and giving anti-depressants to kids, although Scientology is crap. I don't know much about the sweat-lodge as drug-treatment deal, although recently some people died in a sweat-lodge due to improper oversight. Trying to recriminalize alcohol is goofy and the abortion-causes-breast-cancer thing is dangerous. Reid will crush her in November.

  • Philip123

    The National Academy of Sciences did a thorough review on fluoride in 2006. They documented numerous deleterious effects of fluoride on many organ systems including increased potential risk for bone fractures (the well characterized disease of skeletal fluorosis) possibly increased risk of osteosarcoma, reduced IQ, thyroid dysfunction, endocrine dysfunction and others all 300 pages is online if anyone cares to confirm it. Of course don’t forget fluoride induced dental fluorsosis (i.e. teeth mottling and a sign of toxic exposure to fluoride) They ended with recommending that the EPA should more strictly regulate fluoride. Their findings mirror those in the peer-reviewed medical literature, while Harvard trained toxicologist Phyllis Mullenix also extensively documented behavioral changes in mice upon exposure to blood levels of fluoride not far greater than those experienced through water fluoridation and other sources of exposure. Former, well credentialed EPA scientists have been fired for bucking the political line on this issue. Meanwhile 90% of the fluoride placed into our water supply is not industrial grade sodium fluoride, it is silicofluorides, quite simply, scraped from the sides of Florida phosphate plant smokestacks. If it weren't thrown into the water supply it would have to be disposed of as hazardous waste. You can read more on this starting here http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/2009/11/w… if you suspect I am just making this all up.

  • roafer

    I do believe Reid will win, but he's gonna have a tough fight ahead.

  • jbnyc

    They will be mainstream until one of them is elected (yikes!) and the world sees what they really are and the damage they can cause.

  • nyscof

    Sometimes the Right is right!

    Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay and harmful to health. After 65 years of adding fluoride chemicals into U.S. public water supplies (fluoridation) costing big cities, alone, tens of millions of dollars, yearly – tooth decay is still a national epidemic as described by the US Surgeon General and US children have died from the consequences of untreated tooth decay.

    Instead of spreading less tooth decay across the country as enjoyed (and predicted to) in naturally calcium fluoridated US communities, the silicofluorides used in artificial fluoridation have spread dental fluorosis (discolored teeth) across the land. The CDC says up to 48% of US school children now sport dental fluorosis from ingesting too much fluoride, which opens up the potential for lawsuits at taxpayers' expense. See:
    http://www.spotsonmyteeth.com

    Adverse health effects of fluoride are here: http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health

    Fluoridation 101
    http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof

    Fluoridation is probably the biggest medical blunder of all time – no matter what your political affiliation.

    Organized dentistry backs fluoridation because it gives the illusion they care about the poor folks who aren't welcomed into their dental chairs. 80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients (which resulted in the deaths of two little boys from he consequences of untreated tooth decay) and 130 million Americans lack dental insurance. Our emergency room are flooded with people who can't afford dentists and their dental health has grown so severe that it costs tax payers tens of thousands of dollars instead of the cost of a simple cavity.

    Organized dentistry is heavily funded and are sort-of the “front-men” for big corporations who profit from fluoride and tooth decay – names like Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Colgate, etc.

    Dentists need to be mandated to treat more low income Americans. We know dentists love mandates because they are behind virtually every fluoridation mandate in the Nation.

    Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Would you advocate vitamin C into the water supplies? It's an essential nutrient.

  • redacted

    “Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay…”

    Modern science indicates that one is not supposed to ingest fluoride to reduce tooth decay, one is supposed to apply it topically.

    You are either a liar or a fool, and if you aren't any better at cloaking your deceptions than that, you really aren't going to be much help to your 'cause'. For the teeth of the world, that's good news.

    Moron.

  • getreal

    Anyone check the polls lately? Harry you are not ahead.

  • nyscof

    Obviously you don't really understand what fluoridation is. Legislators in a community – they could be plumbers, carpenters, candle-sticker makers are lobbied heavily by rich and powerful organized dentistry and made to feel inferior and ignorant if they don't vote to drip fluoride chemicals into their constituents via the water supply where they will be INGESTING fluoride which only contributes to fluoride's adverse effects. Yes fluoride hardens tooth enamel by topical means but only at high concentrations such as in toothpaste and dental treatments.

    Therefore, fluoridation makes no sense. If democrats want to discredit Republican candidates, they need to find a new Angle

    Yes, this will be on the test.

    for more studying http://www.FluorideAction.Net

  • Midvanisle

    Where IS that NAS report … that you said existed ? The website you cited is a nutbar site … NOT the NAS.

    LIE.

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    Flouride is poison!!!!!!!

  • redacted

    lol…

    “Obviously you don't really understand what fluoridation is.”

    and on what do you base that statement, Professor Cut-n-paste?

    I AM a dentist, genius – and you made no distinction between topical / internal use. There is certainly room for debate regarding fluoridated water, but there is NO room for argument when it comes to topical application.

    As for your silly conspiracies regarding the dark intentions of the military-dental complex….Well, they are TRULY laughable claptrap. Silly. Juvenile. Simplistic. Wrong. Grow up, kid. Most suicides, smallest financial gain…Yeah, those powerful dentists.

    “Obviously you don't really understand what fluoridation is.”

    lol :)

    Perhaps if you state your assertions with clarity in the future, you'll encounter fewer challenges.

    PS – medicaid only includes surgical coverage, genius. Making up/spinning stats to bolster absurd claims of nefarious dental cabals doesn't help your cause.

    PPS – “Therefore, fluoridation makes no sense. If democrats want to discredit Republican candidates, they need to find a new Angle”

    Why in the hell would you capitalize “angle”? It's the little things that are so revealing….

  • nyscof

    I don't believe you are a dentist because you keep confusing topical fluoride application with ingested fluoride. The CDC says that the fluoride that emerges from saliva to bathe teeth with fluoride topically is too low to have any beneficial effects.
    Besides several studies have been done to show how dentists don't keep up to date on new fluoride science. e.g. http://tinyurl.com/Yoder even if you are a dentist with a poor “chair side” manner.

    You said “As for your silly conspiracies regarding the dark intentions of the military-dental complex” I never said that. This statement is always brought up by people who protect fluoride to give the illusion that those opposed to fluoridation aren't using a science-based argument – which is clearly what I've done. For all I know, you can be a paid blogger by corporations who benefit from fluoride sales because, if you are a dentist, your patients need tending.

    Over 2,750 professionals (including over 260 dentists) urge the US Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted, citing scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks. See statement: http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august….

    Also, eleven Environmental Protection Agency employee unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

    Approximately, 80 US communities rejected fluoridation in 2008 & 2009

    for more info http://www.FluorideAction.Net

  • nyscof

    Oh, and thank you for giving me another opportunity to provide even more information.

    Those interested can also check out http://www.FluorideNews.Blogspot.com
    http://tinyurl.com/NewsReleases
    http://www.FluorideResearch.Org
    http://www.Fluoridation.Webs.com
    http://www.FluorideDangers.blogspot.com

  • redacted

    “I don't believe you are a dentist because you keep confusing topical fluoride application with ingested fluoride.”

    Good god, man – Can you read?

    I called you on the fact that you failed to make a proper/clear distinction between the two….that you were lumping the two together and contributing to confusion on the subject.

    Furthermore, i – and many other professionals – are well aware of the debate regarding fluoridated water. I do not defend it, and indeed there ARE legitimate questions regarding it's safety/efficacy.

    Your interpretation of my comments is telling, and speaks to your aggressive disinterest in anything other than relentless demagoguery.

    Your are not an effective advocate for this cause. You are a jackass. Really.

    And as far as what you do and don't believe, lol…..Couldn't POSSIBLY care less.

    Reply for posterity if you like, but i'm done 'conversing' with you.

  • MarxMarvelous

    Our current system has elements of both. It's not the American way. If an American citizen wants to live under that system, they should respect this countries heritage and fallen soldiers enough to just leave and move to a country that embraces that way of life.

  • MarxMarvelous

    Thank you for re-inforcing my long-standing observation that liberals are emotion, economically ignorant hate spewers. You don’t debate facts or policies, you just desperately desire power. Oh by the way, where did the anti-war left go? Ohhh, it’s ok to slaughter civilians as long as the Messiah is doing it. I see. The facade is falling quickly, once the poor realize that it’s been mostly democratic legislation keeping them in the ghettos and slums, they’ll probably run the progressives out on a rail themselves. Except the ones that like nanny state gavernmend handouts from the productive class, they’ll be your next “community activists” pffft.

  • Anonymous

    When I see you include anything like a fact or a policy (and not an accusation) in your posts, we’ll debate it. Where you got the idea that all I’M after is power, I don’t know. I also never once said that it’s okay to slaughter civilians, or anything remotely like it; that’s YOU being owned by YOUR emotions, genius. I did say earlier that we already have elements of socialism that exist in our society today, and I listed some of them as a suggestion of some the pernicious socialist institutions you should avoid, so that you might better live up to your internet idealism. For that you erroneously labeled me a socialist. So anybody who calls you out for your ignorance is a socialist, huh? Anybody who publicly comments on your stupidity isn’t entitled to live in this country? Crikey, then you must be surrounded by thousands of them. It’s called free-speech, dickhead. I know you can’t stand the concept, but you’ll just have to suck it up.
    Go back on your meds, and leave the adults to converse.

  • MarxMarvelous

    But liberals hate free-speech, they want only politically correct speech. The Fabian/Frankfort eurotrash is finished int his country. I’ve had enough of your haterade for one day. I’ve productive things to do. I’m sure you’ll lash out again sometime in the near future, once I threaten the liberal pollyanna view of things.

  • bufftrucker

    It's the corporations of the world that are pursuing the fascist agenda, with the worlds' governments acting as the enblers; you're going to be pretty hard-pressed to find a place in this world where their reach doesn't extend to “just leave and move to a country that embraces that way of life”, which, by the way, is a moronically simplistic statement. I guess it's up to you to decide who has the right to live and have a say in this society?
    As for socialism, you've benefited (or can benefit), if you are an American, from a limited form of it since the middle of the last century. If that idea offends you, please refrain from calling the fire department when your house ignites in the middle of the night, and pay for it instead. And if that same house is burglarized, whatever you do, don't notify the authorities, pay for somebody to investigate the crime and prosecute the perpetrator. And inasmuch as you don't seem to possess a great deal of intellectual capital, we won't have to worry about you availing yourself of our socialist libraries, either. Highways? You don't need'em. The goat paths and pig trails sound like they're more your speed anyway.
    We're ALL in for a rude awakening, yourself included, Einstein. Both side of the political coin are owned by the same money. Conservatives will be blamed because of their complicity in this mess, same as progressives. But the idea that you are going to take anything back from anyone as if this country were your sole possession is pathetically laughable. If your numbers are so great as to “take the country back”, how on earth did ever manage to lose it in the first place? Yeah, we drones all going to be enlightened by you. What an effin' joke.

  • MarxMarvelous

    Typical wanna-be elitist hate-mongering. Your ideology has failed, is hurting the poor mpre than helping, and will eventually become the laughingstock of the 21st century.
    Freedom will prevail and the politically correct will be drowned out by those un-afraid to be called names by people like you.
    We're going to win this, and hopefully, the collectivists who are going to try and keep everyone enslaved, will find a state to take over for themselves, and not incite violence, as they've been taught to do, when challenged.
    Go form your commune somewhere, with your fiat money and tears and pity for the downtrodden you keep miserable by way of “helping”, and leave the rest of us alone.
    You've failed. Socialism all over the world has failed. There a political awakening going on in the world for the first time, and I'm thinking people who pimp slavery as freedoma, and the collective over the individual, will be lucky to escape the wrath of those who see through that fantasy.

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • bufftrucker

    God, that was the funniest thing I've ever read; having never been a socialist, I found your whole rant pretty dumb. Your rhetoric sounds exactly like the communist revolutionaries of old; you sound as though your really do think you're Marx. If it's hate-mongering to stand up to loser assholes who want to blame the rest of the world for THEIR faiures, then that's what I'm doing. As far as going somewhere else, I've served and paid taxes and CONTRIBUTED to this country for most of the 51 years I've lived here, and I'll see YOUR idiotic ass run out before I move an inch. You are a fucking retard.

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