Fake Trump electors have ‘absolute criminal liability’ and will cooperate to save themselves: MSNBC analyst
Fourteen fake Trump electors who were subpoenaed Friday as part of the House's Jan .6 probe are facing "absolute criminal liability," according to one former federal prosecutor.
Daniel Goldman, who served as lead counsel for the House during former president Donald Trump's first impeachment trial, said a House Select Committee's decision to subpoena the fake electors is "unquestionably another significant step in their investigation."
"This was part of a broader conspiracy orchestrated by Rudy Giuliani that involved individuals with the Trump campaign and with the Republican state parties in these battleground states, and it's just getting worse and worse the more we learn about it," Goldman told MSBNC.
Host Nicole Wallace responded by suggesting that Trump — and not Giuliani — bears ultimate responsible for the fake elector scheme.
"Donald Trump is the through line," Wallace said. "The whole thing seems top-down driven. There's no way that seven random states that Trump lost bigly, if you will, came up with 'Let's fake it!'"
"When I say Rudy Giuliani was orchestrating it, I don't know who came up with the idea, but we know Giuliani was .... at the hub of it," he said. "Whose idea it was, we still don't know. But you're right, there's no question that regardless of whether it was his idea or not — and we can be sure that it was not — Donald Trump adopted this and ran with this and pressed it publicly, privately, on recordings, in every way shape or form. So to the extent that there is a conspiracy to overturn the election, through the use of these fake electors ... to the extent that there was such an illegal conspiracy to defraud the Untied States, the evidence indicates thus far that Donald Trump was involved in that conspiracy."
Asked whether the fake electors themselves could also face criminal liability, Goldman responded, "Absolutely."
"They were a part of this, particularly the ones who knew that the document they signed was going to be fraudulently certified and sent to Congress," Goldman said. "They knew that was a forgery. They knew that was bogus. ... And so there is absolutely criminal liability, and what I think you will see is, all of these electors running as fast they can to meet with the Department of Justice to cooperate to get themselves out of trouble, and go up the food chain about people who were directing them, and as we know by now, that's how investigations work."
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The principal and vice-principal of an Athens, Georgia elementary school are under fire from both parents and faculty after they reportedly ordered an unnamed student’s artwork that includes the words “Gay is OK” to be removed from a collection of works hung on a classroom wall, with the vice-principal allegedly comparing it to the Nazi flag.
“It’s been brought to our attention that one local school’s administration at Oglethorpe Avenue Elementary did not find the art to be ‘okay.’ A local teacher has had the art hanging in her classroom since October, as part of several different student art pieces. According to the teacher, one parent eventually complained to the principal,” Athens Pride reveals on its Facebook page, which has also been reported by multiple news outlets.
“The principal reportedly asked the teacher to move the art to a less offensive place– she stood in solidarity with the student and did not remove the piece,” the Athens Pride post continues. “We have been told she was then summoned to the principal and vice principal’s office, where the display of the rainbow and verbiage were likened to ‘displaying a swastika’ by the school’s vice principal.”
Local Georgia news outlet 11Alive reports parent and University of Georgia professor Jemelleh Coes says, “Nothing has been done and that is part of the problem and that is why we are finally at a place like this. Enough is enough.”
“There are ongoing complaints about this current administration has been discriminatory against women, being discriminatory against LGBTQ people, being discriminatory against English language learners or emerging bilinguals, emerging multilingual and Spanish speakers. So we have seen a pattern of inequity at our school and we have been asking for support at this point for years,” Coes added.
A current teacher who wished to speak anonymously said in a statement to 11Alive: “On behalf of a majority of the staff at Oglethorpe Avenue Elementary School, we are disheartened that these words and actions have happened in our school building during this time. This does not represent why we chose this profession, and it does not represent the feelings, beliefs, values, and attributes our amazing school family has within these four walls. We are disheartened that there has been no action taken by CCSD or our building administration to rectify the divide that has been caused. We will continue to seek resolution and promote a community of love, acceptance, and tolerance within our building and community."
Athens Pride on Facebook sums up the current situation: “The truth is, our children are watching and they are listening.”
This Friday, the House committee investigating the Capitol riot has issued 14 subpoenas to people who falsely claimed to be electors for former President Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
The individuals who were subpoenaed submitted false Electoral College certificates in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- all states that were won by President Joe Biden.
“The select committee is seeking information about attempts in multiple states to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including the planning and coordination of efforts to send false slates of electors to the National Archives,” Representative Bennie Thompson, Democrat of Mississippi and the chairman of the committee, said in a statement. “We believe the individuals we have subpoenaed today have information about how these so-called alternate electors met and who was behind that scheme.”
The names of those subpoenaed on Friday were: Nancy Cottle and Loraine B. Pellegrino of Arizona; David Shafer and Shawn Still of Georgia; Kathy Berden and Mayra Rodriguez of Michigan; Jewll Powdrell and Deborah W. Maestas of New Mexico; Michael J. McDonald and James DeGraffenreid of Nevada; Bill Bachenberg and Lisa Patton of Pennsylvania; and Andrew Hitt and Kelly Ruh of Wisconsin.
In a tweet this Friday, The Trace's Will Vant Sant said that on of those subpoenaed, Bill Bachenberg, has been an NRA board member since 2005.
According to The New York Times, the scheme to employ the fake electors was one of Trump’s "most expansive efforts to overturn the election, beginning even before some states had finished counting ballots and culminating in the pressure placed on Vice President Mike Pence to throw out legitimate votes for Mr. Biden when he presided over the joint congressional session. At various times, the gambit involved lawyers, state lawmakers and top White House aides."
Read more at The New York Times.