January 6 investigator warns of another MAGA 'Big Lie' — this time involving Project 2025

Former investigator Timothy Heaphy, who served on the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on Congress, is cautioning that the second "Big Lie" is already being crafted by Donald Trump and his allies.

MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace said in a conversation with Heaphy on Monday that Jan. 6 and Charlottesville were horrible failures of law enforcement agents, who had ample intelligence ahead of the events.

"Some of the, sort of, conundrum seems to be that the First Amendment protects people's rights to say the most heinous and hideous things, and we have the leader of one of the two political parties hell-bent on exploiting that to lie and to sit at the intersection of lies that inspire action in some instances violence," Wallace said.

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She pointed to people on the Georgia Election Board, who are willing to manipulate rules and laws to give Trump the edge in 2024.

"Nicolle, this harkens back to your previous segment about Project 2025," said Heaphy. "There's another lie that's a call to action just like January 6th. The lie that the election was stolen inspired people fueled by the former president's rhetoric to charge the Capitol. The lie with Project 2025 is that the federal government is filled with these deep state bureaucrats who are all pursuing some progressive agenda."

He called it "absolutely false" explaining that the everyday people are nothing more than "career bureaucrats who do their work day to day without regard to politics and that lie is being used to pursue a political agenda."

His upcoming book teaches the lesson that "Democracy is earned, not given," he said. It depends upon participation, people in this country paying attention to these issues, voting, talking to each other, educating themselves, and not being as susceptible to misinformation that often fuels these false narratives. It's up to us, Nicole, in order to protect democracy, and the past is prologue. We have to pay attention to what happened so it doesn't happen again."

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