During an appearance on MSNBC's "The Katie Phang Show" early Saturday morning, former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance agreed with the host that Donald Trump's sense of "bravado" is blowing up in his face as the prospect of jail time increasingly looms.
Reacting to the release this week of a tape of the former president boasting about having classified documents after he left office while an aide laughs, Vance smirked while explaining the increasing legal peril Trump is now in.
"Your thoughts on the legal success of Trump's most recent iteration of a defense. I should probably put defense in quotes. I'm calling it 'it was just bravado' defense," host Phang prompted.
"Right, so when you promote your own defense by saying that you are lying — because that's what bravado is — I mean, it's lying, Trump is, in essence, putting another nail on his own coffin here, Katie," Vance replied.
'So Joyce, the New York Times is reporting that weeks after Trump's federal indictment, the investigation is still continuing with subpoenas being issued from that Miami-based grand jury," Phang stated. "Is it normal to see more subpoenas being added like this after a indictment has been issued, and can we expect to maybe see a superseding indictment with more charges?"
"I think that's where this could be headed," Vance replied. "You are not permitted to continue to investigate the charges that you have indicted after you have brought an indictment; you have to be investigating either additional charges, different charges, or perhaps more counts of retention of documents or additional defendants. Both of those options are live here."
"I think there are a couple of intriguing possibilities," she elaborated. "One is that there could have been some effort to obstruct justice as the indictment was being brought forward or after it was brought forward. For instance, if someone tried to interfere with a witness, then that is something that prosecutors could use this grand jury to take a look at."
"But there is also this unfinished business in the indictment that we have read, it is incredibly detailed," she continued. "There is one incident where Trump shows a document to someone in Bedminster in New Jersey. Well how did that document get there and was that part of a deliberate act of obstruction?"
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