Trump won't get pardoned in Georgia unless something goes 'off the rails': legal expert

Donald Trump and his lawyers are trying to delay his criminal trials until after the 2024 election when he could theoretically pardon himself as president, but one of those cases seems to be virtually pardon proof.

Right-wing attorney John Eastman, one of the former president's co-defendants in the Georgia election subversion case, wants to speed up the schedule for reaching a plea agreement, which MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance told "Morning Joe" is intended to delay Trump's trial and give his attorneys a preview of the evidence.

"What Trump's lawyers are hoping for is a cascading series of delays," Vance said. "In other words, if the March trial scheduled in Washington, D.C., in the special counsel's case, is delayed because of appeals on some of Trump's motions, the motion, for instance, to dismiss the case because of the supremacy clause, then the hope is that that might push back other cases."

"Say the Manhattan D.A.'s case that is scheduled for late March," she added. "They're hoping that what that'll do is have a domino effect that pushes all of the cases back past the election for one reason or another, whether it's appeals, whether it's Judge [Aileen] Cannon's unwillingness to resolve issues, or if it is a crazy Hail Mary that John Eastman is floating, splitting the case into two tranches and not even thinking about trying the former president until 2025. That's the total picture."

But the former president may not be able to wriggle out of the Georgia charges, even if he wins a second term as president.

"In Georgia, it's a little bit different than most states, where the governor can issue a pardon," Vance said. "In Georgia, it's a bipartisan commission that would have to vote to issue a pardon to someone who is convicted in the state. In other words, for Trump to receive a pardon in Georgia, the process would have to be seriously off the rails."

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