To hear his spokesman tell it, Rudy Giuliani met with Department of Justice investigators for an interview by his own accord.
“The appearance was entirely voluntary and conducted in a professional manner,” Giuliani spokesman Ted Goodman said in a statement.
But what exactly does that mean?
MSNBC’s Nicole Wallace posed that question to legal expert Harry Litman Tuesday.
"What does it mean that his folks are saying he went in 'entirely voluntarily,'” she asked Litman during an appearance on “Deadline: White House with Nicole Wallace.”
The former federal prosecutor urged viewers not to take the statement at face value.
“I think it’s dissembling at best,” Litman said.
“Giuliani is waist deep in everything after the election, but he is neck deep in the false electors."
“He and Trump together badgered (former Arizona House Speaker) Rusty Bowers. He goes down to Georgia and tells a whole pack of lies and he is exactly where Smith is otherwise in the investigation, talking to (Georgia Secretary of State Brad) Raffensperger and the like.”
“Here's what it means,” Litman said. “(Giuliani) has gone in with a proffer. That means he has given information but under circumstances where they won't hold it against him. They'll just evaluate whether they want him, want him for what, and give him immunity or an easy deal.
“And then what he is giving in exchange has to be information about Donald Trump.”
But Litman acknowledged that calling Giuliani’s cooperation “voluntary” isn’t technically false.
“So this proffer, yes, he didn't doesn't have to do it. You could call it voluntary in that way, but don't think that he's like a good citizen just finally getting this off his chest. He's trying to cut a deal and he knows the time is very short.”
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