2020 Election
Legal expert explains why Giuliani is more worried about Georgia than DOJ
June 28, 2023 9:20PM ET
Gage Skidmore.
The news that Rudy Giuliani, formerly a member of Donald Trump’s legal team, was interviewed by federal investigators in connection with special counsel Jack Smith’s election interference probe has fueled speculation that Giuliani is looking to cut a deal with the Justice Department.
But a potential federal case isn’t the former New York City mayor’s most pressing concern, according to legal analyst Lisa Rubin.
Giuliani is also facing potential charges in Georgia in connection with the former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election that are likely much more worrisome, Rubin said Wednesday during an appearance on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes.”
Rubin said that all indications are that Giuliani is “absolutely” interested in reaching a deal with Smith’s office, and that he’s likely even more interesting in working with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.
She suggested Monday’s leaked audio of Trump bragging about the classified documents at his Bedminster golf club are a tell.
“Rudy Giuliani is not only interested in a deal with Jack Smith, he's interested in a deal with Fani Willis. And that has to be one of the reasons we know about this,” Rubin said.
“You have to ask yourself, who has an incentive to let CNN and the New York Times know that Rudy Giuliani went in for the proper meeting?"
“Well, I would venture to guess those are people close to Rudy Giuliani and not people close to the Special Counsel."
“Why? Because they want Fani Willis to understand that he is close to potentially cutting a deal with the Department of Justice and try and convince her that it's in her interest to do the same.”
“Oh, that's interesting,” Hayes replied.
“Why? Say more about the logic there.”
Said Rubin: “I think the logic is you don’t want to cut one deal if you already have exposure in” another jurisdiction.
“It's like, Oh, great. Now I'm gonna get indicted in Fulton County,” Hayes said.
The DOJ in 2021 launched a civil rights investigation into conditions in the Georgia prison system over concerns about staffing and the safety of LGBTQ+ inmates.
“Fulton County might be a worse place to get indicted, not because the crimes necessarily carry more time, but if you think about serving time in a Georgia prison versus a federal prison, the Department of Justice knows full well how bad Georgia prisons are."
“They are in the middle of a civil rights investigation into Georgia prisons as our colleague, Joyce Vance reminded me earlier today.”
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