'She wins either way': Strategist says Harris has upper hand on Trump debate negotiations

Donald Trump essentially put himself in a no-win situation by already backing out of a second debate with Vice President Kamala Harris, according to former Barack Obama aide Van Jones.

The former president has declared that he won't face off again with Harris, who told supporters in North Carolina that voters deserved a second debate, and Jones said Trump's decision put Harris in a strong position should the Republican nominee change his mind.

"She wins either way," Jones said. "She can just call him a chicken all day and talk about that she whooped him and whooped him and then whooped him some more, and he has to pretend that he won when everybody knows he lost. If she debates him again, he will be a different guy. He usually screws up the first debate and gets better in second debate. I think he underestimated her, I think he had a bunch of nutjobs around him on his plane, getting them all psyched up about eating dogs and all kinds of crazy stuff. So when he got there, he was not in the right mindset and she whooped him."

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"I think he doesn't like losing and I think he knows he lost, and I think if he does come back, he's going to be much more formidable," Jones added, "but also Kamala Harris is getting better every single day, every time she touches the microphone, she gets better. Every speech is better."

Jones said the vice president had improved dramatically since taking part in Democratic primary debates in the 2020 race, and he said she was now one of the strongest candidates to take the stage.

"My gosh, she was better on the debate stage than almost anybody who's been on a debate stage," he said. "She just whooped him, and Donald Trump is the Pac-Man of politics. He ate through 16 Republic governors, senators, like it was nothing and she was the matador that stopped the bull."

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