'What threat is that to you?' Evangelical put on the spot after attack on same-sex couples

As part of a report on MSNBC on insecure young men leaning into conservatism and Christianity, the leader of the evangelical Promise Keepers organization attacked same sex-couples and was on the receiving end of pushback from NBC's Morgan Radford.

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Radford shared her reporting on the surge of men turning to the church. Radford spoke with Promise Keepers CEO Shane Winnings in order to get a feel for why the sudden interest as women increasingly are leaving.

"Are you seeing more young men, Gen Z come into the church?" she asked.

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"Yeah, we," he replied before adding, "I think it's very intentional, and I think the messaging from the administration was very intentional."

"The Trump administration?"

"Yeah, it was to win those kind of people you know, the young people, the men who want to be men," he elaborated. "What we're seeing in this erosion where now anyone can be a family. You know, two men can be a family and they can adopt kids, which I think is problematic. Two women could be a family, they can adopt kids. Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore."

"What threat is that to you? If those two men love each other?" Radford shot back.

"Because you can point statistically to our society being eroded from within because two men automatically create an unstable household. Because that is not god's design for a family," he retorted.

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"And you think that hurts America?" the NBC reporter pressed.

"Absolutely," he answered.

"When we talk about the intertwining of faith and politics, a lot of the messaging here is about eradicating wokeness. What does that mean?" she asked.

"Well, I think wokeness, you know, is really anything that comes against god's design. It's this progressive mentality. Wokeness is like DEI. Wokeness is anything that's against god."

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