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It's not Jeffrey Epstein who will bring Trump down

Back in late March, I wrote a piece about US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth committing what some at the time said was the biggest breach in national security in US history. Hegseth “accidentally texted” war plans to the editor of The Atlantic. Hegseth also organized those war plans using an unsecured messaging platform, which pretty much guaranteed America’s enemies knew about them in advance.

My argument in that piece: in another time and place, this historic scandal would have led to the downfall of powerful men, but we live in this time and place, of autocratic rule, in which Donald Trump is seen by his followers as literally infallible. In such an age, old-fashioned political scandals aren’t possible. “But her emails” was the last of a dying breed.

I wrote that piece believing there would never be daylight between Trump and MAGA or between Trump and a rightwing media apparatus that has the power to bend the will of the Washington press corps.

But then came the Jeffrey Epstein memo released by the Department of Justice, which communicated to the Trump’s followers that the truth about how the world really works – QAnon – is not only false but they were suckers for believing it. That triggered a subterranean reaction.

All of a sudden, figures like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson are questioning Trump’s intentions, which means reporting by the mainstream press is having more impact than it normally would.

This is important. The choices made by the Washington press corps are often determined by whether they will affect the president’s base. The Hegseth story was serious on the merits. It was worthy of months of coverage. But it didn’t get far, because MAGA thought either it was a nothingburger or blamed reporters for making Trump look bad. The president was never responsible for his choices. So the scandal died.

But the questions are now coming from inside the house. The media landscape is so profoundly different that if mainstream reporters start talking about Trump’s age and infirmity with the same frequently and intensity with which they talked about Joe Biden’s, it will be entirely due to the MAGA faithful’s fruitless search for a good-faith reason why their champion is standing with “the deep state,” instead of against it.

I don’t want to get ahead of myself, so I called in Jennifer Schulze. She’s a longtime Chicago journalist and publisher of Indistinct Chatter, a newsletter about the news.

Trump himself won’t let the Epstein story die, Jennifer told me, giving reporters more opportunities to dig in: “There is something rather enjoyable about watching this hot mess.”

John Stoehr: The White House press corps is normally deferential to Donald Trump, in the sense that reporters haven't determined how aggressive they should be with a man seen by many as invincible. The Epstein case may be against that grain. What are you seeing?

Jennifer Schulze: It's too early to tell where the press corps comes down, given that so many who routinely ask Trump questions aren't news reporters, but MAGA personalities. But the ones who are actually journalists — and still permitted to be in the pool — are going to keep asking questions. Good for them. It is a very big story with lots of layers. Trump is keeping it in the news, too. So every day, reporters keep having additional opportunities to ask him and his administration about it.

Perhaps the more immediate question is about the MAGA media. There seems to be a split, and that split is driving the story that the real journalists are covering. So ... thank God for MAGA media?

MAGA’s varied responses to the Epstein story is a story, and it will continue to be a story as this mess shakes out. We have come to expect MAGA media to be in lockstep with Trump, all promoting the same narrative, so it is newsworthy that these splits are developing.

I'm especially interested in watching what Fox does. So far, Trump's state media outlet is following his lead. Media Matters has a headline that says it all: "Trump told MAGA to be quiet about Jeffrey Epstein. Fox News obeyed." Media Matters has some interesting data to support that. It reports that last Monday, Fox mentioned Epstein only eight times but mentioned former President Joe Biden 158 times. Fox has really not broken from Trump in his second term, but like with other stories, the Fox audience may rebel at least a little bit.

Other MAGA media is reporting the story but you can feel their pain. Some are literally begging Trump to release the Epstein files. Others are flailing, trying to point the blame at Pam Bondi or Democrats. There is something rather enjoyable about watching this hot mess.

The Epstein issue seems to expose the problem of staffing your administration with MAGA media personalities. Dan Bongino, for instance, appears to have decided that he has more incentive to break with Trump than stick with him. And those incentives will snowball quickly inside and outside MAGA media. Thoughts?

Poor Dan Bongino.

For years, he railed to his very large audience about the Epstein files, promising to get to the bottom of it when Trump is elected. Now Trump's president (again) and Bongino lands the No. 2 job at the FBI, but what happens? He fails to deliver. What does he do? He calls in sick. Reality has kicked him (and many MAGA faithful) in the butt.

Who knows what Bongino will end up doing. I'm not sure it matters. People go in and out of Trumpworld all the time. True believers and grifters like Bongino can't quit Trump for good. I do hope more news coverage turns to how much money Bongino and others have made by polluting the information ecosystem with the Epstein file lies, etc. It has been their lifeblood. But so, too, has their connection to Trump

The Democrats have done a pretty good job so far of turning the Epstein case into a real wedge issue. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), who is notoriously bad at media, said that either Trump lied about the conspiracy or is covering it up, a brilliant framing of the story that complements the press corps' need to conflict. How does it look from your end?

This is the fighting stance many Democratic voters have been looking for from Democrats. The Epstein case is nauseating (and yes, there are actual victims that deserve attention in the ongoing coverage), but it's a perfect opportunity for Democrats to hammer Trump on how one of his biggest conspiracy theories is falling apart, how his typically stuck-like-glue base is fracturing; how his appointees are flailing.

I do think Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time so I'm glad to see them giving it such a good effort. Trump has made it easy for Democrats in some respects. He's making mistake after mistake, and keeping the story front and center, because he is so remarkably undisciplined. The attack lines write themselves.

I also think a cowed news media is finding some spine with the Epstein coverage because, again, the stories almost write themselves. Every hour, there's a new outburst from Trump or MAGA media type, etc.

There has been nothing but scandals since day one, but the press corps has not been able to make any of them stick. I'm thinking here of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Trump could blame the media, the Democrats, the deep state, anyone, and the MAGA faithful would go along. Not this time, which means the Washington press corps can really dig in — until Trump fires Fed Chair Jerome Powell or starts a war. But even then, the MAGA faithful might not follow along.

Here's what's different: Trump is keeping the story in the headlines. He is like an open fire hose. As long as the press keeps asking about the Epstein files, he'll keep saying crazy stuff that becomes the basis for the next wave of stories. Meanwhile, reporters are digging up all kinds of sidebar stories, including the MAGA media response, Bongino watch, maneuvers by Congress, etc. We have the Wall Street Journal story about Trump's birthday letter to Epstein and how Trump himself called the editor to pressure her to kill the piece. Trump trying to kill a news story should be headline news for days.

'Signs have always been there': Trump ally says MAGA icon is sabotaging JD Vance

Vice President JD Vance is being undermined by a MAGA legend, according to a Donald Trump associate.

Ex-Fox News personality Tucker Carlson is secretly hoping to be next in line for the presidency, so he's sabotaging the natural next choice, according to far-right influencer Laura Loomer, who has been cited as an influential figure in Trump's orbit.

"I’m convinced that Carlson is going to run for US President in 2028 as the extreme libertarian Bernie Sanders. Bookmark this!" Loomer said on social media. "He sure isn’t doing all of this for nothing. He is trying to fracture MAGA and make inroads with Muslims and the radical left so he can undermine Vance."

She continued:

"Mark my word, in 2028 Carlson will try to run against Vance and he will attack JD for standing with Trump over Iran, he will attack JD over Blondi not releasing the Epstein files, and he will accuse JD of having dual loyalty because JD speaks out about jew hatred."

According to Loomer, she "wouldn’t even be surprised if Tucker tries to accuse JD of dual loyalty because his kids are half Indian."

"Tucker is working overtime (and is possibly even being funded) to fracture the MAGA base ahead of 2028 for Islamist and anti-Trump interests. Tucker hates MAGA," she wrote on X. "He blames MAGA for him losing his show on Fox News over the stolen election. Fracturing MAGA and encouraging a Pogrom in the US is the revenge he has always wanted."

In conclusion, the influencer wrote, "Hopefully Vance and his advisors see what Carlson is trying to do. Never trust someone who says 'Hunter Biden is my good friend'. The signs have always been there."

A MAGA account called Bitter White Woman replied with, "If Tucker runs against Vance, Tucker will win. Tucker isn't running cover for Pedo's[sic], Vance and Trump are... This will not be forgotten."

Tucker Carlson shares eye-popping request from ex-Fox News bosses after ouster

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson claimed Tuesday that his shock firing wasn't the last of his dealings with the powerful Murdoch family.

Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch reportedly fired Carlson — arguably the network's biggest star — over his conspiratorial coverage of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, in which he blamed government agents for provoking the attack.

A lawsuit by former producer Abby Grossberg accusing Carlson of harassment and retaliation was also reportedly a factor in the host's firing. Fox denied Grossberg's allegations but settled with her for $12 million.

During a new episode of his online program, "The Tucker Carlson Show," the host claimed that after he was fired, the Murdochs wanted him to run for president against Donald Trump last year.

The Murdochs really hate Trump," Carlson said, despite allegations that Fox News tailors its news coverage to promote MAGA and the Trump agenda. Trump has tapped several Fox News alumni for his administration, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and interim U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro.

Carlson continued, "There’s no one who hates Trump more than the Murdochs. I got fired in April 2023. In May of 2023, they asked me to run for president against Trump and said they would back me. Obviously, I'm not running for any — you know, I would never get elected any — plus, I like Trump!"

Carlson burst into a fit of laughter, adding, "I mean, that's the funny thing is, I genuinely — I mean, I get frustrated. I'm frustrated now. But, I like Trump."

Trump and Carlson recently butted heads over whether to attack Iran or honor the president's "America First" campaign promise.

Carlson continued his story, saying he was approached by Murdoch's eldest son, Lachlan, about running against the then-former president.

"Lachlan Murdoch said, 'You should run for president; we'll back you." Carlson said.

He claimed that the Murdochs promised to dedicate the full force of Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, and other media powerhouses owned by the family if Carlson agreed to run.

"I was already gone, they already cancelled my show," Carlson continued. "I was still under contract, but they cancelled my show. 'You should run, we support you, you should run.'"

Watch "The Tucker Carlson Show" clip here.

'What a clown': MAGA mocks Tucker Carlson for dramatic reaction to Iran missiles

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson had a dramatic reaction upon learning of Iran's retaliatory missile shots at the U.S. military base in Qatar.

The Iranians reportedly coordinated Monday's attack ahead of time with the Qataris and with the Trump administration's knowledge. Insiders claimed the retaliation was just for show and not meant to actually hit the base. No one was reportedly injured in the attack.

"Here's some breaking news," Carlson said while taping his podcast.

"Uh!" Carlson exclaimed while clutching at his heart. "This is just sad on every level."

Carlson read from a breaking news report, saying, "'Explosions have been heard over Doha, Qatar, after Iran launched a missile attack on the U.S. base there'...That base exists to protect Israel, by the way."

Carlson expressed incredulity that Qatar hosts the U.S. base on their soil, "which they don't need at all. It's the richest country in the world. They don't need to do it; they're doing it to be nice."

After reading more of the breaking news, Carlson repeated, "It's so distressing. It's so distressing."

He continued, "It should go without saying that I'm praying for the success of whatever America does, because I'm praying for America. But I'm concerned. I hope that people who have audiences will be responsible, and just remember, like, life is short. You know, you're going to have to give an account. Try to be honest, try to be humane, try to care about other people...so, that's my view."

Before President Donald Trump ordered weekend airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facility, Carlson joined Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and other "America First" acolytes in adamant opposition to the U.S. becoming involved with Israel's conflict.

On social media, MAGA ridiculed Carlson's reaction.

"Lol. They gave notice of the attack so no one died. Calm down," came from the account of @MichelleB283.

@DonavanUSA called Carlson "overly dramatic."

"What a clown, though I do like him," they wrote before deleting the post.

"He grabs his heart, I grab my beer and salute our military," wrote @RealSirDamon.

Watch the clip below via The Tucker Carlson Show.

'Unraveling': Ex-Trump associate warns it's the beginning of the end for MAGA

Lev Parnas, a former associate of Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani, claimed in a new Substack article that the country is witnessing the beginning of the end for the MAGA movement.

"One month ago, I told you cracks were forming," Parnas wrote, citing conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer echoing his warnings "about Russia’s shadow fleet, about Venezuela’s oil-for-access deals with China and Russia," and about "Qatar’s private jet 'gift' to Trump."

Parnas then shifted to the Trump–Elon Musk fallout, writing, "my sources — and believe me, these are real insiders, not cable pundits — tell me the truth is far from what they’re showing the public. Trump and Musk are finished. The relationship is over. Personal. Bitter. And escalating."

All these things point to "MAGA's digital empire" being ripped apart, Parnas wrote.

He maintained that MAGA is being "forced to choose sides — between the tech billionaire who gave them a platform, and the man who built the movement they worshipped."

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson also played into Parnas's prediction when he yelled at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), then told Steve Bannon, “If Trump attacks Iran, it’ll be the end of MAGA.”

"That wasn’t a warning. That was a death sentence," Parnas wrote, adding, "Tucker is telling the movement: this man will destroy you."

Trump contradicting his director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, on Iran with a dismissive, "I don't care what she said," then voicing his opinion that Iran was "very close" to nuclear capabilities," was the nail in the coffin, according to Parnas.

"This is what authoritarian collapse looks like from the inside," Parnas wrote. "Trump is unraveling. His inner circle is splintering. And the movement that once blindly followed him — from Congress to Twitter to Truth Social to the Senate floor — is now eating itself alive."

Read the Substack article here.

'Get on board': Steve Bannon predicts how MAGA will react if Trump bombs Iran

MAGA acolyte Steve Bannon — who has adamantly protested against U.S. involvement in the current Iranian conflict — predicted Wednesday that Trump devotees will eventually "get on board" if the president decides to join Israel in bombing Iran, according to nonprofit news outlet Notus.org.

Bannon told reporters at a Christian Science Monitor event that "there'll be some" MAGA adherents who will disagree if Trump ushers the U.S. into Israel's conflict with Iran.

In fact, Trump loyalists like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson have joined Bannon in speaking out against U.S. involvement.

"But the vast majority of the MAGA movement will go, ‘Look. We trust your judgment. You’ve walked us through this. We don’t like it. In fact, maybe we hate it. But, you know, we’ll get on board,'” Bannon said.

Despite his MAGA prediction, Bannon said he "remains convinced" that the U.S. should walk away from the conflict.

“We’re in the early stages of the kinetic part of the Third World War right now,” Bannon said. “I think this is one of the most, if not the most important time in history, in America, in modern American history. This is much more dangerous than the late 1930s. Much more dangerous.”

Although Trump has been playing coy as to whether he will or won't throw U.S. military weight behind Israel, an Israeli pundit told CNN Wednesday that leaders "are certain that Trump is going to join this war."

Read the article via Notus.org.

'So much for America First': MAGA mad after Trump breaks anti-war promise

Immediately after President Donald Trump's Truth Social declaration implying that the U.S. has joined with Israel to fight Iran, "America First" MAGA users posted their shock and alarm.

Trump wrote, "We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American-made, conceived, and manufactured 'stuff.' Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA."

The account of @Steven_Pro answered Trump's post, writing, "WE? What's with this WE s----? Not our war!"

"So, You are admitting that the US is directly involved in the war. The complete opposite of what you preached during your campaign. We voted for peace Mr. President. You have officially killed the Republican Party…" wrote @Meddy990.

@matt28 posted, "you said no new wars and now your getting us into a endless ones American lives are now going to be on the line and you are going to have blood on there hands you said america first not Israel first this is going to end terribly stop now and focus on AMERICA"

"Why do WE have control of the skies over Iran? We are not at war with Iran, Israel is. Trump, WE DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT ANOTHER WAR FOR ISRAEL. Let them handle their own f--k ups and deal with the consequences of their actions," wrote @BobbyHerrera.

The account of @davidwhitmore wrote, "So you are getting into this war, so much for your America first promise. People need to wake up and realize we are ruled by a uniparty that is controlled by another country before our once great country collapses."

MAGA disciples Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Steve Bannon also recently voiced their opposition to the U.S. getting involved with the Israel-Iran conflict.

Others on Truth Social labeled the "America First" posters as "trolls," while still others encouraged users to "Trust Trump."


'He's a phony': Tucker Carlson insults fly as fight erupts between GOP pundits

Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, a Fox News contributor, attacked right-wing influencer Tucker Carlson for hypocrisy on a potential war with Iran.

In a Sunday post on X, Fleischer shared a video of Carlson calling for military action against Iran in 2006 and 2012. The post contrasted that with Carlson's opposition to an attack in 2025.

"I've known Tucker for 25 years," Fleischer wrote. "Tucker doesn't have a consistent thought in his head, except self-promotion. He's a phony."

"Watch him here advocate to destroy Iran. Now he says that's a warmonger," he added. "He's a modern carnival barker."

Former Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) came to Carlson's defense by noting that Fleischer helped to sell former President George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

"Thank goodness America still has Bush Administration officials around to tell us how Middle East Regime Change Wars turn out," Gaetz wrote on X.

'Disgusting and sadistic': White House slams Tucker Carlson's ‘Nazi propaganda'

The White House furiously condemned far-right commentator Tucker Carlson on Thursday for platforming a Holocaust denier.

According to CNN, senior deputy press secretary Andrew Bates blasted Carlson for “giving a microphone to a Holocaust denier who spreads Nazi propaganda is a disgusting and sadistic insult to all Americans, to the memory of the over 6 million Jews who were genocidally murdered by Adolf Hitler, to the service of the millions of Americans who fought to defeat Nazism, and to every subsequent victim of Antisemitism.”

The Biden administration believes that "trafficking in this moral rot is unacceptable," Bates said — particularly less than a year after the "deadliest massacre perpetrated against the Jewish people since the Holocaust and at a time when the cancer of Antisemitism is growing all over the world.”

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Carlson gave a two-hour interview to Darryl Cooper, whom he described as possibly "the best and most honest popular historian in the United States."

Cooper claimed, among other things, that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and not Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was the “chief villain of the Second World War” and was “primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland.” He also suggested that the deaths of German Jews were simply an unfortunate side effect of the war.

The Nazi regime had a systematic policy of extermination that saw millions of Jews in both Germany and Nazi-allied countries deported to be murdered in death camps.

Carlson, who previously held a primetime show on Fox News where critics said he laundered white nationalist propaganda to viewers, purportedly with the full knowledge of network executives, doubled down when reached for comment, saying in a text message to CNN reporters that, “The fact that these lunatics have used the Churchill myth to bring our country closer to nuclear war than at any moment in history disgusts me, and should terrify every American."

"They’re warmonger freaks. They don’t get the moral high ground,” he continued.

TikTok disinformation is no more dangerous than this Fox News disinformation

The U.S. House of Representatives has voted overwhelmingly to require TikTok to divest its Chinese ownership or be banned in the U.S. because of national security concerns.

The security risks identified by the bill’s sponsors include a Chinese law that gives Xi Jinping legal access to user data, along with China’s ability to meddle in U.S. elections.

The standard First Amendment debate asks: When does one person’s right to spew misinformation yield to another person’s right not to be harmed by it? In the context of elections, if Congress interferes with a foreign-owned media platform such as TikTok in the name of election security, why should a domestic corporation such as Fox News, also guilty of rampant election misinformation, be spared the same scrutiny?

Online disinformation campaigns

Over the past few years, the most aggressive online disinformation campaigns in the U.S. have targeted COVID vaccines, climate science and elections. Millions of Americans are influenced by manufactured information campaigns every day. Pew Research shows that the share of U.S. adults who want the federal government to restrict such false information has risen, from 39 percent in 2018 to 55 percent in 2023.

COVID and climate manipulation can be countered fairly easily since death rates, increasing wildfires and disappearing aquifers can’t lie.

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Election misinformation is another story. Of all the disinformation campaigns online at any given hour, election lies are the most difficult to regulate because political speech is afforded the highest legal protection under the 1st Amendment.

Paradoxically, political disinformation presents the greatest threat to the 1st Amendment, as politicians in a position to curb it sometimes become top disinformation purveyors.

Consider that Donald Trump started claiming the 2020 election was rigged months before the first votes were cast. Since then, an initially resistant GOP has begun to see the political expediency in parroting his claims: Republicans have not won the popular vote in a presidential election in decades, and it’s easier to falsely decry “stolen election” than to adjust policies enough to widen their political appeal.

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The GOP’s strained relationship with the truth is further complicated by deep-pocket political donors who demand outcomes different from what ordinary voters want — and are willing to finance massive public disinformation campaigns to achieve those outcomes.

As a direct result of widespread election disinformation, 40 percent of Americans still think Trump won the 2020 election, and 64 percent of election officials say their jobs are now more dangerous. Not only does election misinformation weaken domestic political processes, it has been weaponized by lawmakers on the right to justify new voter suppression laws in a self-serving, closed-loop information feed.

Why should Fox ‘News’ be spared?

TikTok may downplay its interest in U.S. domestic politics. But when it encouraged users to flood U.S. representatives’ offices with angry calls, TikTok parent company ByteDance demonstrated both its interest and its ability to influence American political outcomes when it wants to.

Its lobbying force in Washington, D.C., is formidable and growing, and even includes a former professional football player.

It’s also evident that TikTok’s algorithms suppress themes that aggravate Chinese leaders. As reported by the New York Times, researchers compiled information about popular TikTok videos on topics commonly suppressed inside China, such as the fate of China’s Uyghur population and public protests in Hong Kong. They found that these topics were underrepresented on TikTok compared to other social networks, including Instagram. The research emerged from TikTok’s own “Creative Center,” and after the under-representation was reported, TikTok quietly reigned in its own research tool rather than address the subterfuge.

As Congress grapples with such foreign data manipulation, why should domestic manipulation by Fox News be treated differently? Fox News admitted to peddling massive voter disinformation during the last presidential election, and it appears they are at it again.

Fox News admitted lying about Trump’s 2020 loss

Dominion Voting Systems sued Fox for defamation following Fox News’ rampant election misinformation during the 2020 election. Dominion alleged, with strong evidence, that Fox News orchestrated and published stolen 2020 election claims after it knew them to be false, repeatedly scapegoating Dominion voting machines in the process.

Dominion introduced explosive documentary evidence that key Fox anchors and executives told each other that Trump’s buffoonish stolen election claims were a joke, but told their viewers something quite different.

Fox luminaries texted, emailed or commented to each other that Trump’s stolen election lies and the fraudsters supporting them were “Ludicrous” and “totally off the rails”(Tucker Carlson); “F—g lunatics” (Sean Hannity); “Nuts” (Dana Perino); “Complete BS” (Fox Producer John Fawcett); “Kooky” (anchor Maria Bartiromo); “Mind Blowingly Nuts” (Raj Shah, Fox Corporation VP); and, “There is NO evidence of fraud. None” (Bret Baier).

And yet, these same luminaries continued to promote Trump’s stolen election lies on-air, just to attract low-information viewers.

Carlson didn’t tell Fox viewers that Trump was “off the rails.” Instead, he donned his trademark injured puppy face, poured his hurt eyes into the camera, and cried, “The stolen election was the single greatest crime in American history with millions of votes stolen in a day. Democracy destroyed. The end of our centuries old system of government.”

Fox viewers, believing their votes and democracy itself were stolen, were understandably triggered.

Election threats within

Trump and Fox News continued to goad MAGA voters into believing their votes were “stolen” until they violently attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The insurrection, during which multiple people lost their lives, was the direct result of election misinformation, leaving Fox News with at least some culpability for the attack.

And yet, even as Congress expresses deep concern over TikTok’s potential for election interference, there has been no discussion about Fox News. The TikTok bill’s lead sponsor, Mike Gallagher (R-WI) told NPR that that the TikTok app had been used to interfere in elections.

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Post-2020, there is no serious question about whether Fox also interferes in elections or plans to interfere with them again, as Trump and President Joe Biden speed toward a rematch in November.

TikTok has more reach than Fox, as nearly half of America’s population uses TikTok. Fox News, for its part, is the top-rated cable network, averaging 1.85 million viewers daily during primetime hours. Fox & Friends has been the most viewed cable-news morning show for 22 years.

As instruments of social and political manipulation, TikTok and Fox News target similar audiences. TikTok attracts hormonal teens with addictive, homegrown videos, while Fox targets their low-education parents and grandparents. Both outlets manipulate their audience by selling infotainment as news.

If the TikTok bill makes it through the U.S. Senate, it will face a stiff legal challenge. Under long-established 1st Amendment precedent, the government will need to show a compelling government interest, and that forced divestment — or a ban — represents the least restrictive means of advancing that interest.

Under any legal analysis, there are few concerns more compelling to the U.S. federal government than preserving free elections and the democratic system. What’s glaringly missing from the debate about online disinformation, at least so far, is why election interference from TikTok is any more dangerous than election interference from Fox News.

Sabrina Haake is a columnist and 25 year litigator specializing in 1st and 14th Amendment defense. Follow her on Substack.