Kathleen Culliton

Stephen Miller's wife was ridiculed online Thursday night after she declared diaries are for narcissists and admitted she chatted with her "enemy" almost every day.

Katie Miller, a former Trump administration official, was responding to the increased scrutiny she's faced after the publication of Dr. Anthony Fauci's diaries revealed she received special care from him during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Every man who has a journal is a narcissist," she declared on X. "Dr. Fauci was neither my friend nor my doctor, but a work colleague who weaponized my pregnancy and child for his gain to aggrandize himself."

Miller's claim stands in stark contrast to Fauci's comments in his diary describing her as "great" and "smart."

"I am calling katie frequently to check on her couple time per day," Fauci wrote on May 9, 2020. "She is very anxious about getting very ill since she is 10 weeks pregnant. Tonight she had an anxiety reaction. I calmed her over the phone."

This contrast spurred Sam Stein, a journalist with MS NOW and Bulwark, to quiz Miller about her repeated conversations with a man she and her husband have said should be in prison.

"For clarity," asked Stein, "you were communicating your pregnancy-covid fears in real time with Fauci because you were secretly keeping tabs on him/regarded him as an enemy?"

Miller shot back with more accusations.

"He told my husband to leave me while pregnant," Miller claimed. "He caused panic to look like the hero."

Stein noticed the dodge on his question and tried again.

"I just inferred from your initial tweet that you were talking w Fauci in real time because you were keeping your 'enemies' close to you," he asked. "Is that correct?"

"I spoke with him near daily for over a year given the role I served in at the time," replied Miller. "That week was not out of the ordinary - I did not stop working when I had COVID."

Stein asked again: "To be abundantly clear here, while you were speaking with him daily for over a year you regarded him as the enemy?"

Miller did not reply, but Stein's followers did — lots of them.

"It took a while," replied Drew Nederpelt, "but she finally figured out the premise of your question."

"She's not gonna answer and confirm her *checks notes* own words here, Sam," added Max Flugrath.

"Almost makes you laugh at the accusation of narcissism when she can't even admit that she may have been wrong," replied Chris Flanagan. "Classic symptom of narcissism: blame everyone else because you can never be wrong."

"She’s just going to keep dancing around that part," added Peter Anderson. "That’s what these psychotic sycophants do when faced with their indefensible behavior."

"The abundantly clear part here is that Katie is completely full of s--- and utterly without shame," added Rusty Jones. "And in all fairness to Dr. Fauci, he was probably thinking you were married to a literal demon, Katie."

President Donald Trump's iron grip on a red state stronghold is showing signs of rust — two weeks before an important election.

The president's popularity is deflating in South Carolina and the proof is in the pudding of Sen. Darline Nordone's Trump-endorsed bid to replace her late brother Lindsey Graham, the Washington Post reported Thursday.

"I don’t think that Trump is the end all, be all that he used to be,” CJ Westfall, chairman of the Dorchester County Republican Party, told the Post. "People are going to be independently minded in this."

Trump's decision to endorse Nordone — whose already spurred a MAGA meltdown with a $100 check — hasn't tipped the scales in her favor, according to the report.

Critics argue Nordone has no political record beyond supporting her brother — himself not seen as a MAGA faithful, according to the report.

Now the president's conservative base has begun to question his motives, the Washington Post reported.

"His supporters question whether the president is acting with their top priorities in mind," the report states. "Some are simply irked that Trump wants to hand off a coveted six-year term to someone based on family ties, rather than a proven conservative record."

Nordone was appointed by South Carolina's governor to replace Graham after his sudden death earlier this month, and endorsed by Trump when she decided to seek a full term.

The less-than-enthusiastic response to Trump's endorsement saw a dozen GOP candidates file to run in the Aug. 11 primary election, according to the Post.

“Trump’s endorsements haven’t always been correct in the voters’ eyes,” Mark Lynch, running to succeed Graham, told the Post. “We’re not going to have a coronation in this state and elect Darline as the queen, underneath the king, Lindsey.”

President Donald Trump pardoned a Republican megadonor linked to a massive fraud scandal after he contributed to a high-stakes swing state campaign, according to a new report.

Adam Kidan — who pleaded guilty in the lobbyist Jack Abramoff conspiracy case —received a pardon from Trump just days after making a $2,600 to Rep. Ryan MacKenzie's (R-PA) leadership PAC on June 30, NOTUS reported Wednesday.

"Trump traveled to Mackenzie’s eastern Pennsylvania district on June 23 to campaign with him," the report stated. "The president pardoned Kidan on July 3."

Mackenzie’s office denied communication with Trump regarding the pardon but did not respond to question about whether the campaign would keep the cash, NOTUS reported. Neither the White House nor Kidan replied to requests for comment.

But his Democratic challenger Bob Brooks's campaign told NOTUS they are livid as it fights to win a “toss-up” race, according to the report.

“Three days after a convicted fraudster cut Ryan Mackenzie a massive campaign check, that same fraudster walked away with a presidential pardon," Brooks campaign manager Jenna Kaufman told NOTUS. "That is corruption in plain sight.”

Kidan donated about $270,000 to Trump-affiliated committees during the 2024 election cycle and hosted fundraisers at Mar-a-Lago, according to the report.

He pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy and mail fraud in 2005.

"As part of his sentencing, Kidan and Abramoff were ordered to pay a total of $217 million in restitution," the report stated. "It’s unclear whether Kidan paid the full amount, and Trump’s pardon is likely to erase any remaining financial obligations."

A MAGA Senator took to the airwaves to call out President Donald Trump for hypocrisy.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) admitted on "Face the Nation" Sunday that he was not "comfortable" with Trump's newly announced and already problem-laden nuclear deal.

"We're bombing a country to keep'm from getting a nuclear weapon," said Kennedy. "But we're signing a deal with another country...that the world perceives as possibly, someday leading to a nuclear weapon."

The countries, of course, are Iran — which Trump ostensibly started to dismantle their nuclear program — and Saudia Arabia, the nation Trump wants to allow to enrich uranium.

The U.S. struck the deal Wednesday but hit a snag over the Saudi government's relationship with Israel. Less than 24 hours after announcing the deal, Trump added a condition that the Saudis normalize those relations.

Experts warn the deal could trigger a cascade of nuclear ambitions across the Middle East, The Wall Street Journal has reported, and critics note the Saudis gave Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's private equity firm $2 billion.

"Face the Nation" host Margaret Brennan noted Sunday that any deal would have to be approved by Congress, which prompted Kennedy to list off his concerns.

"The world's on a hair trigger," Kennedy said. "The world looks at what's going on in Ukraine, the Middle East, the world looks at America's relationship now with Europe."

He added, "People are scared."

The Louisiana lawmaker is hardly the first U.S. senator to vent frustration with Trump this week.

White House demands that Majority Leader Sen. John Thune (R-SD) do more to pass the SAVE America Act — a non-citizen voting ban critics describe as redundant and dystopian — have infuriated GOP members of the Senate.

"Instead of pointing the finger at Republicans," Thune said, "they might think about going after the people who are stopping it on the floor, which is the Democrats."

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) added, "I have 1000 percent confidence in Thune, and anybody in the White House who thinks he's not a good leader isn't qualified for their job."

"This idea that he can just command members of the Republican conference to get in line is just a fantasy," responded Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX). “It’s creating a circular firing squad for Republicans.”

Kennedy himself added, “John can’t put a gun to people’s heads."

A high-ranking official in President Donald Trump's administration was subjected to ridicule and scorn Sunday after he struggled to answer basic questions.

CNN anchor Dana Bash asked White House Border Czar Tom Homan about Immigration Control and Enforcement officers in Texas and Maine who fatally shot unarmed fathers this month.

"Do you know specifically what happened to the officers involved in the Texas and Maine shootings?" Bash asked. "Are they on administrative leave?"

"I don't know, specifically," he said. "The policy would be to put them on administrative leave."

Bash pressed, "But as border czar, you don't know for sure if they have been?"

Homan shrugged and said, "No."

Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, 52, was killed during a traffic stop in Texas on July 7 — FBI claims that he had drugs in his car were later disproved.

Joan Sebastian Durán Guerrero, 25, was fatally shot in Maine on July 13 by an ICE agent identified in reports as David Brouillette, an Army veteran whose two ex-wives have accused him of abuse.

Bash quizzed Homan on this point.

"One of the ICE officers connected to the fatal shooting in Maine was accused of abuse by two ex-wives…Should someone with those issues be an ICE agent?" asked Bash.

Homan replied, "No, if those are facts, I don't think he should have ever cleared vetting."

Homan's admissions of ignorance stunned onlookers who expected greater detail from an official who oversees Trump's mass deportation initiative.

"If Tom Homan doesn't know he should be fired on the spot," replied X user Craig Carl. "This is a blatant lie or gross incompetence."

"ICE has vetting?" political commentator Mike Bates quipped. "Who knew!"

"Feckless lying stupid sack of s---," fumed Lizzie Cochrane.

Even Bash joined in on the bashing, as video shows, when Homan declared, "I wouldn't say that mistakes were made."

"We've seen with our own eyes that mistakes were made," she said. "Deadly mistakes were made. At least 5 of them."

It's not the number of service members who've been killed in the war with Iran. It's not the number of people who have died in ICE custody. It's not the millions of people imperiled by the Trump administration's decision to dismantle USAID.

The number terrifying Republicans, according to a new Washington Post report, is the amount of voters worried about the economy.

“This is a big chunk,” Nathan Nascimento told the Post. “This is a scary number.”

Nascimento, executive director of the conservative super PAC Americans for Prosperity Action, told the Post Sunday that he's disturbed by polling that shows even loyal Republicans and consistent voters are losing enthusiasm for President Donald Trump.

About 1 in 5 of those voters in swing states such as Ohio and New Hampshire told the PAC they think they'll either stay home of vote blue in November, the Post reported.

There is however enthusiasm on the left, Mitchell Brown, a Republican pollster, told the Post.

"Democrats are as enthusiastic about voting as they were at the same time ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, when they swept back into power in the House," Brown said.

"But Republicans are far less excited to vote at this point than they were then, posing an issue for the party."

In particular, men under 40 represent the greatest risk as they are most likely to have concerns about the economy and prices.

"This group proved pivotal to Trump’s 2024 electoral victory," the Post reported, "which included a sweep of some of the same battleground states holding critical elections this year."

Natalie Baldassarre, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, denied a dour state of affairs within her party.

“Republicans are united, on offense, and armed with our largest war chest in party history because voters are energized and understand what’s at stake in November’s election,” said Baldassarre.

As of Sunday, the number of service members who've been killed in the war with Iran is 18. The number of people who have died in ICE custody is 19. The number of people imperiled by the Trump administration's decision to dismantle USAID is 14 million.

The Trump's administration's efforts to turn the world into a "a white-supremacist wonderland" will suffer a "humiliating implosion" for one darkly funny reason, a Salon columnist argued Sunday.

Executive editor Andrew O’Hehir skewered the fragile egos of many a MAGA minion in his lengthy editorial on President Donald Trump's failed foreign policy which he asserted was doomed by a fatal flaw.

"We should be grateful for the epic and reckless corruption of this administration," wrote O'Herir. "Ambitious schemes to reshape America and the world as a white-supremacist wonderland are consistently undercut by the enormous levels of graft."

Yes, graft.

O'Herir's argument for this claim centers on Trump's White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller, a man he compares to one of Adolf Hitler's most devoted followers among the Nazis.

"As I see him," he wrote, "Miller is a true believer whose corruption is moral rather than financial, one of many traits he appears to share with Joseph Goebbels."

This moral corruption stands in stark contrast to the rest of the Trump administration whose financial corruption he argues have effectively undermined Miller's goals.

Why? O'Herir predicts Trump's grafts have delivered a fatal blow to his popularity, and the MAGA movement is headed for a nasty midterm surprise.

"As the Trump administration veers unsteadily into its lame-duck phase and a likely midterm wipeout, its quest for a legacy achievement becomes increasingly pathetic," he wrote.

"Meanwhile, the search for something that can be pitched to last-ditch MAGA loyalists as a victory, no matter how petty and insignificant, continues."

Despite O'Herir's assertion that the humor of the situation is marred by the horrific consequences — "this might be amusing if real human lives weren’t at stake, and if billions in taxpayer dollars appropriated by Congress for aid to impoverished countries like Mali weren’t being diverted to right-wing nationalists, white supremacists and anti-LGBTQ groups" — O'Herir concludes with one last dark silver lining

Wrote O'Herir: "Trump’s return to power has, at the very least, finally confounded all the doofuses who ever took anything he said at face value."

President Donald Trump's eldest son may have reached unprecedented heights of "shameless corruption and sheer moral repugnance" — but it's in pursuit of a goal he's unlikely to achieve, a new analysis contends.

MS NOW journalist Paul Waldman on Sunday skewered Donald Trump Jr. for what he described as a relentless pursuit of extreme wealth and revealed his surprising theory as to why.

"He has cemented his position as perhaps the most distasteful and ethically compromised presidential relative in American history," Waldman wrote. "None who came before can hold a candle."

To support this claim, Waldman pointed to a slew of business deals Trump Jr. has been able to pursue under lax laws that have allowed his father to make billions of dollars in the White House.

Among those ventures are World Liberty Financial — a crypto company in which a United Arab Emirates official secretly invested half a billion dollars — and 1789 Capital, which profits from companies that, as Waldman writes, "just happen to benefit from government policy."

There's also Kalshi and Polymarket, the gambling sites who have hired Trump Jr. as a paid adviser, Waldman noted.

Waldman then revealed the surprising reason why he believes Trump Jr. keeps pursuing excessive wealth through ethically questionable means.

"If he keeps this up," wrote Waldman, "he’ll be able to say, 'See Dad, I’m just as greedy and corrupt as you!' "

There's just one problem, Waldman concluded: Trump's "indifferent."

As proof, Waldman reminded readers that Trump "couldn’t even be bothered to attend his son’s wedding."

President Donald Trump said the quiet part out loud early Sunday morning — or at least, he reposted it.

Trump's startling admission came in the form of a Truth Social post — one of more than a dozen he posted about 5:20 a.m. — that centered on a video clip Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) shredding his SAVE America Act to pieces.

"It's already illegal for someone who is not an American noncitizen to vote," Warren can be heard telling a reporter. "I don't understand why you want laws that are already there."

Warren was clearly referring to the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 which prohibits noncitizens from voting in federal elections.

This is one of three common critiques of Trump's controversial legislation. The second is that it could have "dystopian" consequences for Americans, as the National Women's Law Center explains.

"This bill could disenfranchise 21.3 million eligible voters who don’t have the required documents ready, and it would particularly impact married women and trans people—all in order to fix a problem that doesn’t exist," an NWLC explainer states.

"It’s voter suppression that perpetuates anti-immigrant misinformation."

The third common critique is most commonly made by Republicans in the Senate who say it hasn't a chance of passing no matter how much pressure Trump puts on Majority Leader Sen. John Thune (R-SD).

“This idea that he can just command members of the Republican conference to get in line is just a fantasy," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) earlier this week. “I don’t know who it was that sold the president on this idea, that this was obtainable, but it’s creating a circular firing squad for Republicans.”

The Warren clip appeared among many reposts of commentary from Sen. Mike Lee, who was attempting to defend the SAVE America Act.

The Utah Republican's most direct defense of the legislation was that existing noncitizen-voting law was "impossible to enforce."

But he also made another direct claim — a kind compliment for the Massachusetts senator.

Wrote Lee, "Elizabeth Warren is incredibly smart."

A Democratic Senate hopeful on Saturday shredded Robert F. Kennedy Jr. like the lettuce Americans are now afraid to eat.

U.S. Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed (D-MI) tore into the scandal-plagued Health and Human Services secretary as the nation faced a Cyclospora parasite outbreak — linked to contaminated shredded iceberg lettuce — under his watch.

"The last time I checked, the guy who's running Health and Human Services for this country works out in jeans," El-Sayed quipped. "Meanwhile here in Michigan we're trying to dodge lettuce."

El-Sayed was met with cheers and roars of laughter — the reference to Kennedy was met with boos.

This is not the first time Kennedy has been mocked for his strange gym habit of working out in denim. A Vogue contributor tried it and decided the HHS secretary was "insane."

"All I felt was sticky and desperate for a clean pair of sweatpants," Emma Specter wrote in February.

"My experiment in RFK Jr.-style jeans-clad exercise wasn’t the worst thing I could have experienced by following his lead (I could have a rubella rash or, at the very least, a nasty case of E. coli contracted from frozen bear patties right now). Nevertheless, it… wasn’t great."

Nor was this the first ribbing Kennedy faced this weekend.

On Friday, President Donald Trump took aim at his Health secretary in front of a room of journalists at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

"I hope that everyone finally got to enjoy their entire very delicious beef tenderloin," Trump said. Then he pointed to Kennedy and said, "[He] personally ran over the cow in his car."

This was likely a reference to Kennedy's habit of collecting road kill for strange purposes — among them a bear cub crime scene frame-up in Central Park.

These odd quirks of Kennedy's prompted El-Sayed to tell his crowd of supporters in Michigan, "I think we might be able to use a public health Senator right about now."

Sen. Mitch McConnell's spokesperson has a new update on his ailing, elderly and publicly unseen boss.

David Popp told the Washington Post Saturday that McConnell — the 84-year-old senator who has spent weeks in the hospital — is hard at work.

“The Senator continues to meet with staff regarding Senate and Kentucky business,” Popp claimed. “As the Senator continues to improve in rehab, we will be sure to keep you updated.”

But Daily Beast reporter Annabella Rosciglione professed herself cynical.

"Noticeably absent was any proof that McConnell is doing any of the things that his staff claims he is," she wrote.

Frustration has only mounted as McConnell’s office remains silent on McConnell's health besides broad denials that he suffered “a heart attack or a stroke,” — despite a 911 call citing cardiac arrest at his home, the Daily Beast reporter noted.

It still remains unclear whether McConnell will attend funeral services for his recently deceased Republican colleague Sen. Lindsey Graham.

And senate Republicans are growing anxious over "razor-thin majority," wrote Rosciglione.

“I’m totally in the dark,” Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley said last week. “I do think that at a certain point you have an obligation to your constituents and country to tell them what’s going on."

This silence has left the public relying on context cues such as mid-sentence freezes in front of media cameras, falls in the halls of Congress and recent reliance on a wheelchair, the Daily Beast reporter stated.

"His current hospitalization is also his second stay in the hospital this year," she noted. "In February, he checked himself into a hospital out of 'an abundance of caution.'"

It's the new kind of drug money — and according to a new report, it's being lobbed in President Donald Trump's direction.

Four large cannabis companies have donated a total sum of $10 million to a Trump-aligned super PAC this year, Salon reported Saturday.

Cannabis companies Verano, Curaleaf, Trulieve and Vision Management Services each gave $2.5 million to America First Agriculture Action Inc., according to Salon's analysis of Federal Election Commission filings.

“This is how Trump operates,” Ryan Hunter, the chief revenue officer at Spherex, a company that sells cannabis infused vape cartridges, told Salon. "You’ve got to grease the palms."

The donations stood out to reporter Russell Payne, he wrote, because "support for legalizing marijuana is sharply declining among Republican voters."

The Trump administration has moved to ban marijuana by classifying it as a Schedule III drug, and the psychoactive hemp market faces "an existential threat" in the bill to reopen the government following last year’s shutdown, Salon reported.

It included a new provision to close a loophole in November that allowed for psychoactive hemp products to sold — if hemp lobbyists can't get another law in to keep hemp legal.

Joe Gerrity, the CEO hemp-infused seltzer retailer Crescent Canna, told Salon he was surprised Democrats weren't stepping in to help considering the appetite for an expanded cannabis market.

“There’s no doubt it’s politically popular to embrace the cannabis industry from a party perspective," he said. "Frankly, it shocks me that we still haven’t seen a Democrat come out of the fold in a leadership position wholly embracing marijuana and pro-cannabis legalization."

Josh Kesselman, Founder of RAW Rolling Papers, warned the increase in cannabis cash could foretell hard times for stoners — should Washington respond to lobbyists' pleas with the wrong kind of reform.

“If Washington gets this wrong, reform could end up favoring the players who spend the most on lobbying while leaving small farmers, independent operators and the people who built this movement behind," Kesselman said.

"This plant should not be handed over to cannabis oligarchs who profit at the expense of everyone beneath them."

But Hunter, the cannabis vape cartridge seller, argued big bucks have already made their mark.

"It’s not surprising to see these large amounts of money flowing into PACs that he’s in favor of," said Hunter. "It’s just, unfortunately, how the game is played.”

Stephen Miller's recent argument that physical beauty reveals moral character hasn't gone quite according to plan.

Miller raised eyebrows Saturday after telling attendees of a State Department high-level diplomatic meeting that he noticed a common trait among "leftwing terrorists."

“You look at these violent antifa demonstrations and you see any photograph of those who were assembled — to be blunt, not one of the people that is demonstrating looks like a normal person,” he said.

“Not one looks normal. They’re all deformed in some way — in their appearance, in their dress, in their mannerism.”

These comments stunned MSNOW analyst Luke Russert because Miller seemed to be suggesting the moral high-ground was his.

Miller famously orchestrated President Donald Trump's first-term immigration policy that put children in cages and faced backlash when leaked emails showed he distributed white nationalist content replete with racist theory based on debunked science.

So Russert was surprised when Miller "tried to claim the religious high ground" — and again relied on looks to do it.

“The leftist looks at what is beautiful and what is good and what is natural and is filled with envy and hatred,” Miller said. “The leftist looks at a perfect family with the perfect life and a perfect job and perfect kids that go to church every Sunday and is filled with a feeling of inadequacy and jealousy."

Russert admitted he was unpersuaded by Miller's argument that Democrats were jealous of his beauty — admittedly on religious grounds.

"His suggestion that people’s physical appearance reveals their moral character runs contrary to themes repeated throughout the Bible," Russert wrote. "Jesus says, 'Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly.'"

Yet it is worth noting that Miller was carping on a topic his snarkier critics often use to attack him: physical appearance.

When Miller in May lobbed an anti-trans insult at state Rep. James Talarico (D-TX), currently running to replace replace John Cornyn in the Senate, the Democratic Party didn't take it lying down.

"The Democrats made history in Texas by nominating their first transgender senate candidate," Miller said of Talarico, who is not transgendered.

Replied the Democratic Party, "Shut up you ugly f---."

An angry Democrat dared the Trump administration to look the children of men killed by immigration officers in the eye — but suggested they might be too scared.

Rep. James Walkinshaw (D-VA) slammed the Trump administration for failing to attend a public hearing on deaths caused by its Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers — and called out his suspected reason why.

"They're afraid, he said. "They are scared."

Walkinshaw appeared on MS NOW Saturday morning to address what "The Weekend" host Eugene Daniels described as the "lying" and "untruths" about how two fatal ICE shootings "went down."

Johan Sebastián Durán Guerrero was killed in Maine on July 13 — just days after Lorenzo Salgado Araujo was shot dead in Texas, reports show.

The Virginia Democrat had recently returned from Houston, where Araujo, 52, was killed by ICE and falsely accused by the FBI of possessing illegal drugs.

As U.S. Rep. Sylvia Garcia (D-TX) confirmed Friday, the construction worker had electrolytes to help him keep hydrated.

Walkinshaw felt compelled to go to Houston that same day, he said.

"I wanted to... be able to look into their eyes and see and feel that that pain that they're experiencing," said Walkinshaw. "And bring it back with me to Washington and try to communicate it to my colleagues, especially our Republican colleagues."

But Walkinshaw argued Republicans would rather "pour salt in the wounds" of families whose loved ones have died in ICE's hands, pointing to Renee Good and Alex Pretti, two American citizens shot dead in protests, as proof.

"It is disgusting what this administration is doing to families like this," he said. "It's character assassination."

Walkinshaw then shared information from a closed-door briefing he held with ICE officials last week.

Data show that out of 22,000 ICE officers, just one has faced disciplinary action.

"There is no accountability in ICE right now," he said. "And it comes from the very top. In the Oval Office."

This is why Walkinshaw professed himself outraged the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI "flat out refused" to send a representative to Friday's public hearing.

Walkinshaw argued they didn't have the guts to face the children of the men ICE agents had killed.

"They are afraid to to face communities like the community in Houston," he said. "After what has happened, I don't think they want to have to look Lorenzo and Ronaldo in the eye and see what they have done."