Former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt, who founded lobbying group The Pray In Jesus Name Project, appeared on a progressive talk show this week to criticize President Barack Obama's endorsement of same sex marriage ... But somehow ended up promoting his theory that gay people unknowingly secrete invisible, evil creatures which find and possess certain animals, turning them gay as well.
Appearing on The David Pakman Show, a progressive news and talk program syndicated on Free Speech TV and Pacifica Radio, Klingenschmitt said that he believes "Jesus would restore full equality based on the way someone is born."
"The problem is, nobody's born a homosexual," he said, explaining that all gay people are converted via "marketing" because the LGBT community "has an agenda" to "repopulate their population by recruiting the children of heterosexuals."
Klingenschmitt added that "anyone who's studied" genetics knows that homosexuality is not an inherent trait, simply because LGBT people aren't capable of reproducing and passing that genetic trait along. Though Pakman didn't immediately challenge it, that's a claim as bizarre as it is untrue, as scientists have long known homosexuality can be attributed to genetic traits and many LGBT people have reproduced thanks to the help of platonic opposite sex partners.
"That's what this whole marketing scheme for pro-homosexual movement is all about," Klingenschmitt insisted, reiterating his point about repopulating the LGBT community.
That's when Pakman hit him with the science on homosexuality in the animal kingdom.
"Let's step back for a second, Gordon, and say okay, let's assume you're right that homosexuality among humans is only because of marketing," Pakman countered. "What about in the 4,000 other species that have homosexuality? Because, as far as I know, they don't have TV. They don't have advertising. They don't have the iTunes store to recruit people. How is it that humans are gay sometimes because of marketing, but 4,000 other species... Why? Is it something else?"
"It is entirely possible -- we know from the Bible, for example, when Jesus cast the devil out of Legion, he went into a herd of pigs," Klingenschmitt said. "So, it is possible for demons or the devil to inhabit or invade animals just the same way they invade humans, and that causes the sin of lust."
"So, what you're saying is, in humans it's marketing that makes people gay; in animals, it's the souls of gay humans who have invaded the animals," Pakman replied. "That makes them gay?"
Klingenschmitt laughed and scratched his temple. "Well, I think you twisted what I'm saying there," he said.
"No, I don't think I did," Pakman responded.
Backpedaling, Klingenschmitt explained that he believes marketing to be "related to the demonic, because the devil wants to recruit people into sin." He added that even Pakman himself was being used by the devil to promote "the homosexual agenda."
"I don't promote homosexuality any more than I promote being tall," Pakman deadpanned.
Klingenschmitt's website offers a bit more insight into his thinking, where he publishes daily prayers on subjects like how wonderful the Christian deity is for ensuring that North Carolina voted against same sex marriage, for ABC canceling the series "GCB," and asking the Lord to launch a boycott of consumer discount company Groupon for their sponsorship of Playboy.
He's actually published these prayers going back years, including one that got him sued by an atheist soldier in 2009. In that prayer, Klingenschmitt asked the Christian diety to strike down the enemies of religious freedom, calling out the soldier by name. "Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people," he wrote online and said in an audio recording. "Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins, in Jesus' name. Amen."
A Texas judge ultimately rejected the suit, saying Klingenschmitt's prayer was clearly not a direct threat.
It should be noted, however, that Klingenschmitt's own applications of biblical directives appears to be selective as those he so often castigates.The New International Version of the Christian Bible, Matthew 6:5, explains, "when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."
This video was published to YouTube on May 18, 2012.