Conservative Ben Ferguson came armed with attacks and insults for Ana Navarro during a CNN discussion.
After President Donald Trump’s speech in Phoenix, Arizona Tuesday night, Navarro tweeted that the president was attempting to make the violence in Charlottesville about himself.
“Not hateful white supremacists. Not Heather Heyer. Disgusting narcissism in midst of tragedy,” she wrote.
“Defensive 71-year-old man baby having a disrespectful tantrum over the way he was treated over Charlottesville. Someone bring him a bottle,” she tweeted later. “Only possible defensible explanation for Trump’s disgusting, unpresidential, narcissistic behavior, would be early-on-set dementia. Maybe.”
During an appearance Wednesday on CNN, Ferguson hammered Navarro, claiming that it was unacceptable to question the mental health of a sitting president. He alleged that many times she’s come on television and seemed “unhinged.” He specifically cited her use of the “p” word, which Navarro used as a quote from Trump himself in the notorious “Access Hollywood” tape. There, Trump bragged about being able to “grab [women] by the p*ssy” because he was a celebrity. Ferguson accused Navarro of being the “unhinged” one for saying the word that Trump not only said but claimed he grabbed without consent.
The two quickly fell into a scuffle after Ferguson chose to personally attacked Navarro instead of defending Trump. However, Navarro said that she refused to fight Ferguson over Trump. Further, she said America should not normalize Trump’s bad behavior, because it isn’t normal.
“That is not sane behavior,” Navarro said. “I am no a psychiatrist. I’m a regular human being who knows a lot of people and the difference between right and wrong which is more than this 71-year-old man baby seems to be able to know.”
She went on to say that she didn’t allege that Trump had dementia, as others have alleged. Ferguson said that she “implied” it, but Navarro doubled down, saying that she doesn’t believe that. Rather, she is searching for some kind of excuse that Trump would be so deplorable.
“Go read my tweet. It’s right there!” she exclaimed. “What I said was, that the only defensible excuse, the only defensible explanation is if he is not mentally well. Because, if he is, then he is such an incredible, self-centered, narcissistic, unfit, jerk that it makes it that much worse. The only thing that would make it defensible is if he is not well. Sometime later in the future if we find out he had something, I’m not saying he has it.”
“Of course you are,” Ferguson alleged.
“I’m saying it is the only defensible excuse for his disgusting, narcissistic behavior,” Navarro explained.
“Ok, you might have dementia because you got angry right now?” Ferguson said. He then tried to put words in her mouth claiming she hates the president and voted for Hillary Clinton, gaslighting Navarro and claiming she secretly believed what Ferguson alleged.
Ferguson then explained “the president understood and pivoted to become a better president on [Charlottesville] and not keep doubling and tripling down.” Ferguson’s comment confirmed that he believed Trump had to pivot from worse behavior before if he had to turn “to become a better president” on Tuesday.
Navarro later pivoted back to Trump’s full speech saying that it was the way Trump has always been.
“I think what we saw yesterday is the real Donald Trump,” she continued. “We have seen in the last few days a Donald Trump that sometimes sticks to script, that sometimes reads off the teleprompter and gives a lot of us, soothes our nerves, if if you want. But when he is the real Donald Trump and speaking from his heart, or lack thereof, when he is speaking off-the-cuff in his genuine thought, it is a scary reality. He was not trying to do anything for the country. This was nothing but an entirely himself.”
She went on to say that Trump doesn’t seem to be able to get over the backlash and criticism that came after his Charlottesville speech.
“He wants to be told he was great. That his words were great,” she said. “Since nobody is going out there and saying it, nobody with real credibility, he’s out there to make the case for himself. This was not The Art of the Deal, this was the art of narcissism. The art of being self-centered. The art of being all about him. He turned this tragedy of Charlottesville where a woman died, where people have been hurt, where the entire country has been in a state of distress by seeing how broken we are, and he turned it all about him. It was all about him. We cannot normalize that. We cannot get numb to the idea that this is the president of the United States and that this is normal acceptable behavior. It is not. It was a grotesque display of narcissism.”