Former Trump advisor Stephen Moore tried to explain to CNN's Van Jones what black parents want for their children -- without acknowledging that Jones himself is a black parent.
The discussion centered on the Trump administration's new policy created in the aftermath of the Parkland school shooting meant to make schools "safer" -- but that many critics say will unduly punish minorities.
"It's ironic to me that this whole commission was set up to deal with mass shootings," Jones said. "There has not been a single African-American or Latino kid doing a mass shooting and yet somehow they get their protections stripped away but we're not talking about guns."
But according to Moore, the policy change is a good thing.
"I wonder if there's any American who really believes that the problem with our government schools today is that there's too little discipline," the economist said.
Moore then added that he's "disappointed" in Jones for disagreeing with a policy that the New York Times said will mandate more punishments for minorities.
"I've been to a lot of these public inner-city high schools in places like Detroit or my hometown of Chicago or Washington, D.C., and you go into these schools and you see the utter chaos that goes on," the former Trump adviser said. "You go down the street to the Catholic high school that's really a block away, and you can hear a pin drop in those schools and there's learning going on."
"The issue for minorities, Van, as you know, is that these kids are not learning," he said.
Host Erin Burnett asked Moore to respond to Jones' point and he continued along the same line of reasoning -- at which point the former Obama aide cut in.
"You've had your turn," Jones said. "I get a chance to respond."
Moore didn't stop speaking, however, and brought up the common straw man fallacy of "black-on-black crime" by discussing black students fighting with other black students.
"If you want to take your time to attack black people, go ahead," Jones said. "But I want to talk about the actual issue."
The CNN analyst tried to again bring up his point that the Trump administration used the Parkland massacre to rollback an Obama-era policy meant to curb over-punishment of minority students -- but Moore wouldn't listen.
"I talk to black parents all the time," Moore said.
"I am a black parent," Jones responded, later noting that "it's not a choice between you either have no discipline and these schools are terrible or you let African-American kids be disproportionately punished."
Watch the chaotic exchange below:
