House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) announced in a Washington Post interview that she doesn’t intend to impeach President Donald Trump until there’s an overwhelming demand to do so and bipartisan support. While many on the left have railed against her statements, political veterans see the light in her strategy.
During a Tuesday MSNBC panel discussion, Donny Deutsch called Pelosi’s strategy “brilliant” and proclaimed she’s his “new hero.”
Former assistant U.S. Attorney Mimi Rocah explained that making a case that a president should be impeached based on obstruction is a tough battle, even if it’s clear Trump attempted to obstruct justice.
“Pelosi seems to have made the calculation that right now, it’s not,” Rocah said. “But I think it’s very different for us to hypothetically talk about obstruction, even if we think we know all of the facts.”
She went on to explain that the public doesn’t know everything and the evidence laying out possible crimes hasn’t been released.
“We still don’t know exactly what was said with [Michael] Cohen about obstruction that he pled guilty to, which I always thought was significant that Mueller had him plead guilty to that because he didn’t really need to have him plead guilty to that but he wanted those facts out there,” she continued. “We know vaguely from Cohen’s open testimony, my understanding, it seems like there was more in the closed-door testimony and I don’t know what exactly he told Mueller about that, so, I mean, you’re right, I think especially in a crime like obstruction, details matter. Maybe it won’t matter to the public, but in terms of a prosecutor laying out a narrative, it really matters.”
Deutsch said that it seems there are two Democratic Parties in the House today. There are the new, young members and the veterans who have seen what happens when Republicans have tried to overreach.
“She wants to obviously take the Trump victim card off the table,” Deutsch explained. “She wants to set up so that — and I agree, we are not going to, nor should we, indict a president — I mean, impeach a president, on process crimes. It’s not going to happen. The obstruction is out there. Forget whether it’s right or wrong. It’s not going to happen.”
When it comes to the Southern District of New York, however, it’s clear that there are crimes that can garner convictions. Deutsche thinks that Pelosi is waiting for it.
Pelosi “knows what’s coming there,” Deutsch explained. “And [she] does not want to make it seem we’re going to get Trump any way we can. We’re going to get him on very clear, black-and-white criminal nonpolitical terms. So, if for some reason there is more there with Mueller, she’s opening up the door to go, if she’s not, she’s really free to run unabashed interference when the criminal indictments come from New York. So for her, it’s a brilliant, brilliant move.”
Host Nicolle Wallace noted that someone told her today that it seems like Pelosi is the one who’s actually running the country at this point.
Watch the full discussion below: