On MSNBC's Deadline White House Tuesday, correspondent Cal Perry spoke with a militia leader in Kentucky who denied that carrying a Confederate flag was a form of racism.
"There are photos of you carrying Confederate flags," Perry said.
"Some people don't. People in my group are Puerto Rico, Blacks, Cubans, I've got a mixture," said Tara Brandau of the National Patriotic Defense Team militia.
Did Nick Alsager think President Donald J. Trump was speaking directly to his group when he said, "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by" on live television?
"I think it did," Alsager said. "And I think the reason why he said to, you know, stand back and stand by was, you know, he sees it the same way."
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