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Trump will pardon the Oath Keepers — and other 'enemies of the constitutional order': J6 committee member
On CNN Tuesday, House January 6 Committee member Jamie Raskin (D-MD) weighed in on the conviction of Oath Keepers leadership for seditious conspiracy, following the far-right paramilitary group's involvement in the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The whole affair, he argued, is yet another reminder of the danger the country faces should former President Donald Trump be elected to a second term in 2024.
"What verdict should be sent to former President Trump, and also to political allies in Congress? Some of which you served in in the house which have downplayed this?" asked anchor Brianna Keilar.
"Donald Trump has repeatedly dangled the likelihood that if he were ever to return to the Oval Office by any means, that he would provide pardons," said Raskin. "He would pardon the January 6th defendants. Of course, his political subculture now treats the January 6 defendants as political prisoners, rather than people who beat our police officers over the head with Confederate battle flags and Trump flags, and destroyed federal property, and drove the House and the Senate out of their chambers, and a mob action by domestic violence for the first time in American history. These people have proven themselves to be enemies of the constitutional order, and so I don't know that Donald Trump will be moved to do anything other than to return to his idea of offering pardons to people who were guilty of committing crimes during the course of events that he set into motion himself."
"A former Oath Keepers spokesperson says he worries that Trump would try to whip up a civil war by using lies and deceit," said Keilar. "There are many people out there who are sympathetic to these defendants to think this was — and folks have said publicly they think this was all sort of in the bag for the government. They believe the DOJ is corrupt and not convinced by these verdicts. I wonder if you think the verdicts are a deterrent to sympathizers, or if you think it might make a murderer of the defendants as well."
"I certainly hope it will work as a deterrent to people who were considering trying to overthrow the government of the United States, and to get a president to use violence and subversion of the constitutional order to him pose martial law and to oust the democratic Constitution that we have got," said Raskin. "But, I think your point is correct. We have to remember that Donald Trump and the forces of chaos and vendetta and authoritarianism are still very much out there."
Jamie Raskin warns Trump could pardon Oath Keepers www.youtube.com
On Tuesday's edition of MSNBC's "OutFront," longtime Republican strategist Mike Shields was cornered by anchor Kate Bolduan and fellow commentator Ashley Allison after he tried to defend House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) for his statement on former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago meeting with neo-Nazi livestreamer Nick Fuentes.
"You advised Kevin McCarthy, you know him well," said Bolduan. "What is McCarthy doing here with that statement today? He knew he was likely going to be asked. He did not outright condemn what Trump did."
"Yes, he did," said Shields. "I mean, he flat-out condemned it and said no one should be meeting with Fuentes ... I don't know how much stronger you can get standing at the White House for the incoming Speaker-elect to make a statement on this."
"You could go the route of Mike Pence actually, and that would be stronger, and everyone kind of agrees that it would be stronger," said Bolduan. "You could go the route of Mitt Romney, who called it 'disgusting' or just say what Mike Pence said. He thinks [Trump] should apologize, he should denounce those individuals. He said it showed very poor judgment. He could go that route."
"So you're going to sort of split hairs on how strongly someone condemns something. If they're condemning it, they're condemning it, they're saying it was wrong," said Shields. "Kevin McCarthy is the incoming Speaker-elect ... he's not going to get into presidential politics." He then said McCarthy will remove "anti-Semitic" Democrats from committees and "has a very strong record on this."
Allison, a former Democratic strategist, objected to Shields' characterization.
"'Splitting hairs' on condemning anti-Semitism?" said Allison. "You can be as strong as you want and you can say it over and over and over again, and that's what true leaders do. You should say to Donald Trump, you should not meet with him, whether you knew who it was or not, there are so many more ways that Kevin McCarthy could be a stronger leader and condemn these actions. I don't expect him to do that because he is playing the game of politics for himself. He barely is going to be the Speaker of the House, and he wants to keep that. And he wants to play both sides ... I'm not going to laud Kevin McCarthy tonight or any time in the near future as a hero because he said, oh, Donald Trump didn't know who Fuentes was. But there's no space for that in the Republican Party. Say more, do more, be a leader."
Mike Shields and Ashley Allison on Kevin McCarthy www.youtube.com
On CNN Tuesday, following the convictions of the far-right militia the Oath Keepers' leaders for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses in connection with the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti broke down how the verdict spells trouble for key allies of former President Donald Trump.
In particular, Mariotti zeroed in on longtime Trump associate Roger Stone, who was flanked by Oath Keepers acting as bodyguards in D.C. shortly before they joined the attack.
"We know that Oath Keepers were in contact with individuals close to former President Trump, including Roger Stone and Michael Flynn," said anchor Jake Tapper. "How might this verdict today, this guilty verdict for two of the five seditious conspiracy and guilty for all five for obstructing official proceedings, a potential 20 years in prison each for the seditious conspiracy charge — how could this impact Donald Trump's associates like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn?"
"Well, they have to be concerned, because — particularly the individuals, like you said, Roger Stone, who have very specific and personal ties to these groups," said Mariotti. "You know, Jake, when I represent clients who are, you know, part of a series of cases that are getting charged, I usually track the different cases and sentences and the results in a spreadsheet and keep my clients up to date on how all those cases are going, working their way through the courts. If I represented Roger Stone here and I was giving him advice, I would tell him, you know, we need to be very concerned about your involvement, your relationships with these groups."
All of this matters, said Mariotti, because the January 6 investigation at the Justice Department is "ongoing."
"You don't want yourself to get caught up in a seditious conspiracy charge," said Mariotti. "I mean, what I think the Justice Department proved today is they can try seditious conspiracy cases, and they can win and get a conviction on these facts, on the January 6th conspiracy. And I think that's — that's something that was a question mark up until now, there was doubters out there — and everyone associated with the January 6th conspirators, I think, have to take note of that and be concerned."
Renato Mariotti says Roger Stone could be next after Oath Keepers trial www.youtube.com