MSNBC host Joy Reid was not having it Saturday morning when a black pastor, who appeared at the Republican National Convention in support of Donald Trump, attempted to defend lies the candidate has been using to generate votes in the black community.

Reid kicked it off by wryly observing that Trump has been talking about getting black votes at predominantly white rallies, before she used a familiar philosophical question about a tree falling in a forest making a sound.

“If Donald Trump makes a speech to black people when there are none around to hear it, did he make a sound?” Reid stated.

Speaking with guest Pastor Darrell Scott, Reid asked the Trump-supporting cleric about candidate’s Friday night speech where he claimed the African-American community had “nothing to lose” by voting for him.

Scott attempted to dismiss charges of racism against Trump regarding the developer twice being cited by the Justice Department for refusing to rent to black tenants.

But he went a step too far when he denied Trump had anything to do with encouraging the birther movement over President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

“Don’t tell me you agree with the birtherism, sir,” Reid said as she cut him off. “Don’t tell me you agree with that.”

“The birtherism issue came out of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008,” Scott replied.

“No it didn’t,” Reid shot back, with Scott replying, “Yes it did.”

“That’s wrong,” Reid said as she stopped him once again.

“Even a pastor cannot make things up on this show,” she cautioned.

Shutting down the conversation as he continued to protest, she told him, “I respect you as a pastor, but you’re not going to come on and make things up.”

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