‘It’s gonna be OK’: Tommy Tuberville adds to confusion on IVF in latest muddled interview

‘It’s gonna be OK’: Tommy Tuberville adds to confusion on IVF in latest muddled interview
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Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) said Tuesday that he opposes the Alabama Supreme Court's decision that embryos are children — after initially supporting it.

ABC's Rachel Scott caught up with Tuberville outside the Capitol.

"You've been back and forth on this issue," Scott noted. "Do you support the Supreme Court's decision?"

"I support that people that want to have IVF, I'll support them 100 percent," Tuberville insisted.

"Okay, but that's not what the Supreme Court's decision is allowing at this point," the ABC reporter observed.

"I know, but the state's getting ready to pass a law in Alabama that it's gonna be okay," the senator replied. "When we're going to pass it, that it's going to be positive."

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Scott pointed out that some women were still not able to receive their IVF treatments.

"I just came back from Alabama," Scott explained. "I talked to one woman. She's on her last embryo transfer. It was scheduled for tomorrow. And now she has to start all over. Is that acceptable to you?"

"Well, not really," Tuberville admitted. "Now, I want everybody, if they want kids, if they can't have it, and that's the only way they can have it, I won't be able to use that."

"So, to be clear, you believe it's the wrong move?" Scott asked.

"Wrong move by the Supreme Court, yes," the senator agreed.

But just days earlier, Tuberville approved of the IVF decision.

"Yeah, I was all for it," Tuberville said to reporters at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Watch the video below.

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This story was originally published by Mississippi Today.

Billionaire Tommy Duff, a likely candidate for governor, and his brother James Duff are being sued by California-based attorneys on behalf of the federal government alleging the men and their companies improperly obtained over $6.7 million in federal pandemic loans.

The lawsuit, which was filed under seal in the U.S. Northern District of California in 2024, claims the brothers the wealthiest people in Mississippi took advantage of a program designed to help small businesses cope with the COVID-19 pandemic.

The lawsuit will move to Mississippi after a federal judge in March granted the Duffs’ motion to transfer the case. The plaintiff in the case is Relator LLC, a limited liability corporation formed, according to the U.S. Department of Justice, by California attorneys Anoush Hakimi and Peter Shahriari.

The Duff brothers, estimated to be worth a combined $7 billion, became the wealthiest people in Mississippi by turning a small, struggling company into Southern Tire Mart, the nation’s largest truck tire dealer and retread manufacturer. They created Duff Capital Investors, the largest privately held business in Mississippi, with ownership in more than 20 companies.

The complaint references that wealth to paint a stark picture, alleging the Duffs “looted the government” by submitting “falsified loan documents” to the Small Business Administration in order to obtain taxpayer-funded payments through the Paycheck Protection Program. Congress created the program in March of 2020 to keep businesses afloat as the global economy shuddered to a halt at the outset of the pandemic.

In court filings, attorneys for Duff have sharply contested the claims, arguing the lawsuit relies on “inflammatory rhetoric” instead of facts. The Duffs’ legal team has also pointed out that the California attorneys have filed similar lawsuits against other individuals, some of which have been dismissed, and argue the lawsuit is the product of trial lawyers looking to capitalize on confusion surrounding pandemic-era government programs.

In a statement to Mississippi Today, Matthew D. Miller, an attorney for the Duffs, said he expected his clients to be “fully vindicated by the judicial process.”

“The PPP loans were lawfully obtained, fully disclosed and reviewed by banks, the SBA and federal attorneys,” Miller wrote. “This case is exactly the kind of parasitic, web-scraped lawsuit that courts have repeatedly rejected from this plaintiff. The allegations were also independently reviewed by the Department of Justice which, after this review, declined to intervene in this lawsuit.”

Thomas Duff, 69, has used his wealth from a tire empire he and his brother created to become a political power broker and philanthropist. He served an eight-year stint on the state Institutions of Higher Learning Board, first appointed by former Gov. Phil Bryant, and has been a major contributor to many Republican campaigns in Mississippi. The tire baron has said he is considering running for governor in 2027, and the lawsuit could unfold as he campaigns for the state’s highest office.

Whistleblower or ‘serial relators?’

The lawsuit, which was filed on Feb. 20, 2024, under the federal False Claims Act, alleges the Duffs and their companies falsely claimed eligibility for PPP loans during the pandemic. The suit was brought by a “relator,” a legal term for a private entity suing as a whistleblower on behalf of the government to recover funds obtained by a defendant accused of defrauding the government.

The Justice Department investigated the allegations made in the complaint and in June of 2025, federal prosecutors declined to intervene. That means federal prosecutors decided against litigating the case themselves, but allowed the private attorneys in California to prosecute the action on behalf of the United States. The case was then unsealed days later.

The Justice Department can decline to intervene for a number of reasons, including a lack of resources or insufficient evidence in the case. In a June 13 court filing, federal prosecutors asked that if either side proposes the lawsuit be dismissed, settled, or otherwise discontinued, the court provide the Justice Department with “notice and an opportunity to be heard before ruling.”

In this case, the relator is called, fittingly, “Relator LLC.” Court records and settlement agreements show the entity has filed several similar lawsuits, with mixed results. For example, it secured a multi-million dollar settlement against a dental services company, while a federal judge threw out its suit against a ritzy golf club.

According to an analysis of these sorts of cases by the law firm Crowell & Moring LLP, a group of “serial relators” including Relator LLC have relied on publicly available PPP data published by the Small Business Administration to file a deluge of lawsuits. The suits allege that borrowers have violated the False Claims Act by seeking PPP loans for which they were ineligible.

Hecht Partners, a New York-based commercial litigation firm representing Relator LLC in its lawsuit against the Duffs, did not respond to messages seeking additional comment about its client’s multiple lawsuits against those alleged to have committed PPP fraud in recent years.

Plaintiffs say the Duffs ‘simply took advantage’

More than $4 billion in PPP loans flowed to Mississippi after Congress approved the federal support program for businesses, with the goal of preventing mass layoffs amid a widespread economic shutdown. Over 79,000 businesses in the state were approved for PPP loans, with disbursements ranging from from $100 to $10 million.

The Duffs applied for loans under the program, and some of their businesses received a total of over $6.7 million, according to court records. The companies should never have received the money, Relator LLC contends, because the Duffs had access to substantial money through their multi-billion dollar conglomerate.

“They are the two richest people in the state of Mississippi,” the lawsuit reads. “They own Duff Capital Investors LLC, which is their very own well-financed investment firm with access to significant capital. There was no need for the loans, and certainly no need to get money from the U.S. government as opposed to their own corporate coffers.”

The lawsuit further alleges the Duffs’ companies were far too large to qualify for relief, calling one reported employee count “a totally fabricated figure” and describing its economic-need certification as “a massive lie.”

Southern Tire Mart, the center of the Duffs’ business portfolio, underreported its headcount, claiming to have 496 employees in order to stay below the 500 threshold to remain eligible for the relief funds, the lawsuit claims. Some estimates say Southern Tire Mart has upwards of 10,000 employees.

Relator LLC also maintains the Duffs’ businesses were financially successful during the pandemic and could have shifted capital around through their parent company or investors to shore up any losses they might have suffered during the pandemic.

After receiving the PPP loans, the Duffs “doubled down on their misappropriation by seeking loan forgiveness” for a program they were never eligible for in the first place, the lawsuit claims.

“This is a glaring example of two wealthy billionaires taking advantage of the system,” the complaint reads.

Duffs say the lawsuit is ‘groundless’

In subsequent court filings, the Duffs’ legal team rejected all the allegations made in the complaint and said their clients obtained the loans lawfully for the purpose of keeping “hard-working people employed and paid.”

In response to the allegation that the Duffs fabricated their employee headcounts, their attorneys argue the lawsuit misstates the rules for obtaining PPP loans. The companies that received loans – including Southern Tire Mart and two auto dealerships – qualified as franchisees, the attorneys say, which made them eligible for loans even if the broader Duff business network employed thousands.

“Relator LLC argues that defendants were ineligible for the loans but never mentions a statute that specifically authorized the loans to the recipients, as ‘franchisees,’” the Duffs’ attorneys write. “The complaint is full of vague and speculative claims that do not plausibly allege wrongdoing.”

The Duffs’ legal team also argues that regardless of the financial resources the brothers had, the federal government tied eligibility for the loans only to “economic uncertainty,” a condition the Southern Tire Mart clearly faced in the early days of the pandemic, they added.

Lawsuit could stretch into governor’s race

Court filings indicate both sides are gearing up for a protracted legal fight. In addition to Miller, the Duffs have retained Joseph Tartakovsky, a San Francisco-based attorney who is the former deputy solicitor general of Nevada. Tartakovsky filed paperwork on Monday seeking permission to represent the Duffs in the U.S. Southern District of Mississippi.

District Judge Kristi H. Johnson, who was appointed by President Donald Trump in 2020, has been assigned the case. She could dismiss the case in a matter of months, but if she declines to do that, legal proceedings could stretch well into the 2027 governor’s race.

Agriculture Commissioner Andy Gipson has already entered the Republican primary for governor, and former House Speaker Philip Gunn is expected to do the same next week.

Duff has stopped short of formally announcing a run for governor in 2027, but he has said publicly he is considering entering the race, pitching himself as an outsider businessman who rose to prominence with no experience holding elected office.

Editor’s note: Mississippi Today received a Paycheck Protection Program loan in 2020.

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A Democratic lawmaker sounded the alarm on Wednesday that it was time for Democrats to proceed ahead with impeachment articles against President Donald Trump.

Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) explained to CNN anchor Pamela Brown why he has called for Trump to be removed from office for threatening war crimes against Iran — criticizing his Republican colleagues for their silence amid the ongoing war and negotiations.

"What Trump and Hegseth were planning was a war crime," Markey said. "They were planning an actual genocide — an actual destruction of a civilization. That's why Trump should be impeached. That's why Democrats should file impeachment articles against Trump. That's why the 25th Amendment to remove him should be invoked."

"We need to work as hard as we can to put the Republican party — which is morally bankrupt, which is spineless, which wants to be in a witness protection program — even as moral atrocities are being planned in their name," Markey added. "We must proceed towards the goal of removing Donald Trump from office. And we must do this now. And that has to be the Democratic agenda."

After years of failed negotiations between the states and decades of negligent water management, we now have just months for federal officials to decide how to divide up the ever-shrinking flow of the Colorado River between the seven river basin states that share it — and the 40 million people relying on the river for drinking water, including right here in Colorado.

As we wait with bated breath for a conclusion, another major threat to our precious water in the American West is emerging: hyperscale data centers.

If we don’t immediately halt this buildout, we will continue the legacy of failed water management of the river: giving our water away to polluters and profit-hungry developers at the expense of our communities and our future.

Hyperscale data centers are massive facilities that house and operate computer servers. While they have been around for years, the sudden surge in hyperscale buildout is being driven by the artificial intelligence boom. By 2030, it is estimated that 70% of U.S. data center energy demand will come from these hyperscale facilities.

Massive data centers already exist or are expected to be built in the arid American West and in Colorado. A company called Global AI just purchased over 400 acres near Windsor, where it reportedly plans to operate a large data center by the end of the year — with ambitions of expanding the campus to over 1,000 megawatt capacity.

Hyperscale data centers pose many harms to our communities, including enormous consumption of electricity, loss of critical farmland and unrelenting noise pollution. When we focus on water consumption, however, the data center buildout becomes immensely more alarming.

AI data centers need unsustainable amounts of water to cool their servers. A single large data center can consume as much water as a town of 50,000 people — more than live in Windsor. By 2028, U.S. data centers could use as much water as 18.5 million households for this cooling process across the U.S. And the demand is only growing. The amount of water consumed by data centers nationally more than tripled from 2014 to 2023. This is all remarkably concerning for the American West, which is critically dry and getting drier.

Hyperscale data centers pose many harms to our communities, including enormous consumption of electricity, loss of critical farmland and unrelenting noise pollution. When we focus on water consumption, however, the data center buildout becomes immensely more alarming.

And yet, we’ve seen this before. The players might be different but the results are the same: the overextension of our resources to serve corporate polluters that are wasting our water and threatening our future.

Take Colorado’s agribusiness industries, for example. Food & Water Watch analysis of agricultural census data found that Colorado’s alfalfa farms consumed an estimated 394 billion gallons of water in 2025 — enough to meet every Denver resident’s indoor water needs for over 35 years. We also found that mega-dairies in 2022 consumed 6.9 billion gallons — enough to supply water to 173,000 households.

We have already given away billions of gallons of water to these polluting factory farms at a time when Colorado is experiencing a historic and prolonged megadrought that isn’t expected to improve. We must stop the extractive industries that are driving our current water crisis and hold them accountable for the harm they are causing our communities and our water supplies.

As our leaders come up with a plan to divide up what remains of the Colorado River, we urge them to tackle the roots of this crisis and address the fact that the interests and motivations of the Big Ag and Big Tech industries are not compatible with our climate and water reality. We must boldly address the water consumption of the major polluters that are already sucking the region dry and are poised to grow even more aggressive.

No plan that does not tackle this reality head-on will be sufficient.

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