The hosts of Fox News’ “Outnumbered” found themselves utterly baffled as Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani tried to clean up the massive mess he made during twin interviews on Fox and CNN Monday morning.
Specifically, Giuliani tried to explain his claim that there had been a meeting that had previously not been reported in which Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates planned their strategy for the infamous 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents.
As host Harris Faulkner pointed out, it seemed strange for Giuliani to insist that Trump had never been at this particular meeting given that its existence had not been made public yet.
“That takes on a question that hasn’t been asked, or even suggested,” she said.
In response, Giuliani gave an utterly confusing response.
“There was another meeting that has been leaked that hasn’t been published yet,” he started. “That was an alleged meeting three days before — or according to the leak, maybe Cohen will withdraw this, I don’t know — they haven’t pursued it. And two publications are not going to publish it. I think they found independent contradiction. He says it was a meeting with Donald Jr., with Jared Kushner, with Paul Manafort, with Gates, with possibly two others, in which they — out of the presence of the president — discussed the meeting with the Russians. We checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, that meeting never took place, it didn’t happen. It’s a figment of his imagination or he’s lying.”
This response failed to help Faulkner understand, and she once again tried to get him to clean up.
“What you’re saying now is that there was another meeting that was leaked that has not been made public and — I would assume until now — really described by you in detail that have been three days prior that had done, Donald Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Gates, and possibly two others,” she began. “And that’s the meeting that Michael Cohen says the president knew about ahead of time, but you say the president was not there?”
“No, no,” Giuliani began before immediately contradicting himself. “I don’t know! All I have is two reporters telling me Cohen told them there was a meeting three days before, with a group of people that I said, and that the president was not there. He didn’t say the president knew about it.”
Watch the interview below.