Julian Epstein, who served as the chief counsel for House Judiciary Democrats during former President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, told CNN’s Poppy Harlow on Monday that Democrats need to be very deliberate in how they go about conducting their investigation.
In particular, Epstein urged caution in the way that Democrats approach Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who is a central figure in the Ukraine scandal.
“I would… interview Rudy Giuliani under oath in private,” Epstein explained. “He’s a little bit of a cartoon at this point… He’s a little bit of a circus clown in this effort. And I don’t think giving him a public forum advances the conversation, but I would put him under oath.”
Epstein then made a recommendation to Giuliani and other Trump administration officials involved in the scandal: Lawyer up.
“All of these witnesses — Rudy Giuliani and a lot of the Justice Department, including the attorney general, and a lot of the witnesses at the State Department — I think all of these individuals that may have been involved inside the Ukraine matter or other misconduct… they would be advised to get an attorney at this point,” he said. “There is a lot of exposure and a lot of pressure on a lot of witnesses to start talking as we go through this investigation process.”
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New York AG speaks out: The NRA ‘looted’ charitable funds — and it’s time for them to pay
On Thursday's edition of CNN's "OutFront," New York Attorney General Letitia James laid out the evidence she is bringing against the National Rifle Association in her lawsuit to force the breakup of the pro-gun organization.
"You say you found example after example of wrongdoing, financial mismanagement, total corruption, like Mr. LaPierre getting a $17 million contract with the NRA without board approval that paid him even after he lost — even after he would lose election as executive vice president," said host Erin Burnett. "What else did you find out?"
Investigative reporter David Cay Johnston explains when you’ll see Trump get indicted
Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter David Cay Johnston appeared Thursday on CNN, where he explained when he believed President Donald Trump would be indicted.
After receiving a subpoena from New York prosecutors last year, Deutsche Bank reportedly handed over detailed records about their dealings with Trump, according to the New York Times. The subpoena indicates that the investigation of Trump's family business is more expansive than previously thought.
"Prosecutors already have the basic tax information on Donald Trump. Your state tax return is virtually identical to your federal return, and the IRS shares tax information with the state," Johnston explained to CNN host Brianna Keilar.
Dr. Fauci says his family is being threatened because of a ‘completely crazy’ backlash against science
Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN's John Berman on Thursday that he and his family are facing death threats because some Americans are having an irrational backlash against scientists during the COVID-19 pandemic.
When asked by Berman about the threats he's received, Fauci turned it into a broader discussion about America's divisive politics.
"You know, there's such divisiveness right now in this country, John, I mean, I can't explain it," he said. "The kinds of things that you see in society, you have a lot of outlier people that do things that are almost inexplicable, where the push back against science is in a way that gets translated into threats to me, my daughters, my wife. I mean that is completely crazy, it really makes you shake your head."